Ford vs GM - Which Of These Two New $100k Off-Road Heavy Duty Trucks Rule The Wilderness?
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- Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2023
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( www.alltfl.com ) Watch more videos from TFL Studios! This is it - we finally have our hands on the brand-new Ford F-250 Tremor at our home base in Boulder, Colorado, and this marks a perfect opportunity to pitch it against another comparably priced HD off-road truck: the GMC Sierra 2500HD AT4X AEV. Here's how they perform in a winter showdown!
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Out of all the truck vs truck videos out there, this is easily one of them.
I could have said it myself.
😆 indeed. It is one of them
Damn slick! That's very observant.
You make no sense
Yes it is easily one of many.
Let ‘em rot on the lot.
Except Im seeing more n more on the road, so they are selling. As the Manufacturer predicted they would.
I agree
@@panthermartin7784they're definitely selling lol
Those are exactly my thoughts! With them prices!!
GM is reporting 6-7 days for sales in these ZR2 and AT4X trucks. Most are likely sold from orders. No slowing that down.
These guys are the only ones who will ever take 100k trucks off road and for that i salute them
Have you not seen whistlindiesel?
i’ve taken mines off road……
Nathan and Andre…. What a pair you guys are! Two of most genuine people on RUclips. Great job on that video.
I don’t watch TFLtruck to research a purchase or even realistically assess new trucks, their capability or value.
I just watch because I like Nathan and Andre, love Colorado and the Trucks.
Light entertainment with great terrain and trucks!
Nathan definitely carries more momentum in his driving style than Andre. When in doubt, throttle out!
Man I love the new superduty but the new AT4X and ZR2 HD is super attractive overall. If I was shopping for a new 3/4 ton the ZR2 or AT4X would be my choice I think. Both of these trucks are awesome!
I own a ‘17 super duty and in general am a ford guy, but I REALLY like the looks of the AT4 trucks from gmc. I wished I liked the interior and seats as well as the rest of the truck. Ford seats are so much better.
@chadgailey6832 I too was thinking the seats would be the deal breaking. Coming from a Ram, I was surprised how comfortable the AT4x seats are. Now my wife suburban seats are firm.
That gmc looks good!
Both capable, both look great but tires, tires, tires is what gets it done. Air pressure on the "better tire" GMC appeared to be lower giving it even better grip. Love the reviews...keep em coming guys!!
I understand why TFL use the stock tires even when they are plainly not in their element. I wish Tire manufacturers would reach out and partner with them.
It's the vehicle manufacturer that sets the "rules" / guidelines and there told they can't modify the vehicles in any way and I guess changing the tire is considered modifying. I think they should get them a few sets of rims (find a wheel company like fuel or even Mikey Thompson because they have exelent tires with a wide variety from street & drag to AT/MT & non dot offroad tired and a good assortment of wheels) then they could take the wheel and tire off test the truck or what ever with a decent set of tires off road and then reinstall the OE tires when they return the truck. But I'm sure the manufacturer wouldn't like that for some reaso.
I think first off they need a ARB portable air compressor (or any portable air compressor ARB single or twin portables are just the best ive used or seen by far) to take with them. Then they can actually air down to 12psi or 15psi or what ever they need to. Especially in this snow and sand it would be night and day diffrence in traction. Then with the compressor they can get back up to highway pressure in a reasonable time and be on there way with no issues.
One thing I’ve always noticed is that Andre is just not as capable driver as Nathan is😳……….andre tends to not keep and even foot on the throttle and not a constant pace and hammers is when stopped which hampers forward moment over objectives……..Nathan keeps a more consistent momentum pattern! But yeah tires and key bug I think even with them having both same vehicle and tires Andre even though I like him as far as knowledge of specs is simply not as good a driver! 😑🤷🏽♂️
Weight of diesel engine.
Andre was too slow and cautious. Nathan was more in the pedal for sure. Andre would have had similar results if he didn't stop and go so much. Otherwise, it's a great video. Two trucks I will never own but still enjoy watching.
I agree. I don’t think tires had as much to do with it as they let on.
Yup Andre can’t drive.
@@phild9813I was thinking just deflate the tires about 10 lbs and let er eat 🙅♂️
Yea but it also helps to go second and see what works
It's always easier to follow than to lead. Especially when Andre is telling him how to make it through the tough stuff
Nathan with a straight face - “I like funky dance. It really helps.” 😂
Gentlemen, I'm fom Detroit and grew up driving both Ford and GM vehicles. Lots of fun watching this comparison especially since i just purchased a '23 F350. MY dad, who is retired from working at Goodyear for 30 years, came to the same conclusion you did. The difference is the tires!!
You need to drop the tire PSI when doing these tests, ain't no tire got good grip on snow at 65+ PSI. 🤦🏻♂️
Funny I said the same. But I'm thinking they probably didn't want to because these are new trucks and not theirs. They probably didn't want to bring a compressor.
@@AkronKid330 Yeah, I can't see the manufacturer caring they air down - unless there's a specific request not to.
But anyone off-roading in situations like that will be aired down.
@justintarvid or maybe they were scared to air them down and/or just didn't want to bring a compressor.
I really enjoyed this one. I'm glad you made it more difficult and didn't wimp out. For the money, these trucks should certainly be able to handle it.
You two are great! I always enjoy a review from you guys! Keep it up!!
I love the color on the GMC. Really good truck comparison, thanks for the upload!
Love the GMC. The narrow tire is better for deeper snow
That may be the rule, but the GMC actually had the wider tires, and didn't struggle as much as the Ford. The GMC is simply the better truck.
what this video showed more than anything, is the need for good tires. Both trucks were capable. It was the tires that made the difference. Get the same tires and we would have a better understanding of both of these trucks. @@jreyman
This video shows the need for good tires, tire pressure, and driver mods.
Most people overlook the fact that offroading is a game of physics, not opinions. If you have a locking diff in a balistically similar setup, the makes your truck more capable. But if you have better tires and tire pressure you're probably going to look better on a slick surface.
Same reason I Teel tacoma guys they literally cannot hang with jeeps and I am not a jeep guy. It's physics.
Great video guys. You two guys working together is very entertaining.
I think off roading when your going through these obstacles number one thing is to have the experience to be confident in what your doing, momentum is everything in the snow and rocks! U don't want to much momentum or to less but u definitely don't wanna stop an go so much u wanna keep a steady amount of momentum so when u hit a rock or something your truck has the proper speed to get over it. But u can really see the difference in confidence between Andre and Nathan Andre was more confident in his ability!
Even as a devout ford guy, I can clearly see that that chevy is a superior rig.
All about the tires
It seems like they are down playing the Gmc I'm not impressed that Nathan didn't even pull up to Razor Rock cause Andre in the Ford didn't stand a chance.
@@Newguy56I don’t think either one wanted to risk damaging $100k any more than necessary
Superior rig…based on this? 😂😂😂😂
Should have let Nathan gone first, after Andre made a trail for Nathan and he kept a speck more momentum that's two reason he made it look easy.
You guys make too notch videos and you do so much research for your content! Bravo.
Good video! Tires definitely makes a difference. Actually like to see em put on on different tires to test while taking this trucks out places like this. For example, The Falken ATW3s would be perfect for this
Both super nice trucks but I will say that Nathan is just a better driver. Kept better forward momentum and was less jerky on the truck. I would venture to guess that Nathan would have made the Ford look better than Andrea. Andrea is the king of word but Nathan is the better driver for sure. Both trucks are enviable for sure. I ordered both and was happy to buy either. The Ford came in first so that is what I am driving.
definitely drive better. especially with momentum.
The ford came in first? Where? Not the video we just looked at...
Love this content so enjoyable. Hope to see the gmc 1500 aev in deep snow vs the raptor and Trx.
You use stop and creep in the ford and run into a rock (use the front camera!) The Chevy is driving with momentum which is critical in driving in snow.
Was I the only one who noticed the Ford’s tires cleaning out pretty good?
Andre can't drive to save his life. Only Tommy can drive offroad
Thank you guys. Great job.
If I had that kind of money, I would take the GMC/Chevy. It had a better, wider tire, and ground clearance. The color of the Ford is a really pretty.
The Ford actually had about 4 inches more clearance, but does lack the skid plates of the GM. I have a 2017 F250 KR and absolutely love the truck. When the time comes, my first glance will be at the new Fords.
Great video as always! Have a Blessed Day!
It's definitely not the width. Historically narrower tires are better in snow cutting through to the solid ground underneath. The Terr MTs are just much newer tech over the Duratracs. Also maybe the Rock setting was giving you to much throttle on tip in compared to a snow/sand settting?
Y'all had me Clinch Eastwood with this one lol
While I think it'd be awesome to own a decked out diesel F250 Tremor, I can't stomach the price tags on these rolling mortgages. Makes me love my paid off F-150 more and more.
Plenty of bargains on the second hand market. Especially if you buy base model and add after market bits and pieces.
But, people who pay top dollar and suffer the depreciation are performing a valuable public service.
@chappo4845 these trucks will hold value a long time. I've kept two Duramaxes 10 years and sold them for 50% off what I paid. Hardly any cost to maintain. Very inexpensive to own them.
@@rsbreeze I don't know if inflation is included in your 50% figure, but if not the actual value loss can be striking. For instance, I paid $38k for my XLT F150 in 2018 and a new identically equipped one per Ford's configurator is $57k, which is 50% more in just 5 years time. Considering the F150 will run for 20 years, I'd say buying used is the way to go. Plus in CA your DMV registration will be less than half.
@albundy6284 that's fine to account for inflation, these trucks will be $125k in 5 years. I'll sell mine for $75k, MSRP $93.5k. Less than $5k year to own.
Holy cow. Those shocks hang down low.
Crazy
Great video gentlemen! These trucks are both out of my price range lol so cool to see what it would be like to take them out
Appreciate the real world, regular Joe test of mortgaged trucks. Pretty much how most of us would react to this situation.
If someone has to be this careful in one of these trucks because of cost, then they shouldn’t have bought either one of these trucks. I think for a good comparison video, they would have to push it a bit more. I understand that they are lent to them, but that’s that insurance is for. I love all TFL videos, just a bit disappointed in this one.
@@tugarrmc I agree. If it get's bent, it get's bent. The test is the test, and what happens, happens. It's part of the risk the mfg's should accept, for their media test trucks, and also what insurance is for as a automotive media company. Besides, the repair parts are much cheaper for the mfg to fix, themselves.
Good Stufff Guys keep up the good work Mike
It's painfully obvious that the TFL staff has become completely reliant on all the nannies. I understand they are nervous to damage an expensive truck but that shouldn't over ride the mission to get up and down the trail. This could have been done without all the drama and a steady foot would have proven to be a huge help.
Also - I'm really anticipating what Ram comes out with in the heavy duty segment in a year or two. It's definitely time for a change as well as an addition of a 10-speed and more HP and torque coming out of the Cummins.
They arent "reliant" on the nannies. They are showing what the trucks can do by themselves. Its a test of the trucks, not the drivers.
Manufacturers need to accept that these channels are doing them a favour and that vehicles will get used, abused and dinged from time to time.
couldn't agree more. the "truck guys" are all fat, LOW T and scared of even scratching a bumper. it's kind of pathetic.
Were you there too? Sorry, I didn't see you there. Send us a video of your adventure on this trail. Can't wait to see it!
@@NathanDAdlen Easy killer - I live 8 miles off pavement and much of this kind of terrain is within eyes view of my house. I don’t know why people are getting upset with my viewpoint. Everything is so dramatic instead of just being calm behind the wheel, it’s like a soap opera and it’s just not that serious. These are off road focused heavy duty trucks and did just fine. My point is that you don’t NEED the cameras and lockers. Most people that actually off-road (like myself) disable the traction control, don’t use the locker unless we are stuck, and don’t rely on cameras to show the terrain. Just get out and analyze the terrain, make a plan, and follow through.
Happy to see more of Nathan
Would love to see a review on all-terrain tires. like a Toyo AT3 vs comparable all-terrain best for snow and these conditions
I love you guys. Love the Channel! Love the trucks! I love it when Andre says: 1,200 pound-feet of Torgue!
*Torque.
I just realized one of these trucks is a Ford and one is GMC. Amazing how all new trucks look the same as trucks from 75 years ago.
Great video! In the interest of safety, would it help to lower the tire to certain air pressures to get a better idea of what these trucks can do?
I would love to see this ame challenge done with old diesels. LB7 vs 7.3 power stroke vs the 24V Cummins. That would be a legendary video.
I love both trucks, but I would probably go with the tremor. How come they didn't air down the PSI? I think they would have made it through the spots they got stuck.
Instead of buying a house this year, I'll get one of these! Jeeze.... I can't stop thinking about the price of these things.
The travel trailer you can tire with these things will make you wonder why you ever considered to buy a house in the first place.
I couldn’t agree with you more. I live in the state where these trucks are filmed and the average of house around here has skyrocketed, average is $500k! In order to get one of these would mean to not buy a house and eat less! 😅😅😅
The Tremor has a front LSD differential, if you apply a little brake pressure it will lockup and you’ll have true four wheel drive. I think that would have helped you quite a bit in the snow. Love your videos!
First, great video and thanks for doing it! But, Neither truck is worth over 100k, these prices have just gotten ridiculous. They can keep their over-priced trucks. I can't wait to see the manufacturers suffer the bubble burst. Trucks used to be for the working class and hobbyist like campers and hunters and fisherman...now theyre for the upper class and rich or for those stupid enough to go into serious debt for a pickup truck. They can all F Off as far as I'm concerned - I wont be paying their ridiculous prices for their vehicles of lesser quality than they had in years past. And, before people comment that you can get cheaper editions of these trucks, I know that, but they are still all over-priced. They've increased like 20 to 50% in like 4 or 5 years and thats insane.
100k for a truck is just mind blowing to me.
You can buy a nice used 18 wheeler set up for that
Wait 5 years when they get to $150k if we don’t hit the rest button soon!
ford use locking hub for the front axle, did you use it. might have done a huge difference. as other said also, tire pressure make a big difference too
I know both are in stock form which is the point of the video. But let’s but the same tires on each truck and see if there is a difference. Great video
Of the 2 tires the Duratrac is the better snow tire. It's not the tires, it's the drivers.
The Duratrac is typically snow flake rated and has much mote tread depth than the Territory MT has.
Real world we carry tire chains for the rear wheels. Easy in that little snow
The problem with the pick-up is the lack of weight on the rear axle and the front axle cannot be locked. Would probably make everything a little easier and the winter tires are also missing.
I have a 22 Tremor. I can manually lock the front hubs.
Why didn't you guys use the crawl mode in the GMC? I don't even have mine yet and that was a major reason i am going with the AEV AT4X HD vs the denali ultimate.
like a 3/4 4x4 single cab 8' box 138" wb not as big as a crew cab with 8' box has a 172" wb , one needs a 5 pass crew cab and tows heavy loads and does lot of long highway driving away from cities , the crew cab works
What tire pressures were you guys running. Deflating tires gives you more rock climbing
ability
" Because we need darkness in our lives... " famous quote by Nathan ! 😂
Would be nice to see the new trucks vs older trucks like this. I bet the old Chevy Andre had years ago(GMT800) would have done the same no problem.
These things are monsters size wise. Once they start sliding it’s going to be tough to get them to stop. I think the best Looking truck out there today is the Sierra. I have no use for a full size truck. But if I did. That Ford transmission pan is fully exposed.
What are the best tires to get for snow?
I've been very happy with the Cooper evolution snow tires.
Snow tires.
I hope I’m correct but the auto industries pricing should be correcting in 2024. Very interested in the new pickups, but I feel these trucks are worth 70k max
Def overpriced
They won't be. As long as people are still stupid enough to keep getting 6 7 8 9 year loans on vehicles they have no incentive to lower prices.
Low 90's really because they are 3/4 ton luxury and off roady. But breaking 100 is just adding insult to inflation.
@@Kahless00
Exactly right, as long as people keep buying the prices will keep going up.
Even though I could I never would. But I'll never buy new to begin with, it's too much money lost buying new.
Doubt the pricing is going lower anytime soon, with this new UAW contract that was recently signed.
I recently traded a 2020 F350 Tremor for a 2024 AT4X. I don't miss the Ford! The handling and interior are a huge upgrade. Hopefully the reliability is better as well. The Ford lived up to Fix or Repair Daily.
Great video. Great trucks that need drivers
Foot print of the skinnier tire is probably better, or the same. Nathan has better pedal control.
If Nathan doesn't want to drive the truck, I'll be happy to fill in. It's called "hammer down"
Should test either of those turbo diesel’s to the equivalent gasser on same trail on same day. It’s been my experience that trying to “finesse” a “Turbo powered” anything through technical trails adds substantial difficulty.
Love turbo power on road, hate them off road.
Not seeing the Torsen Limited slip in the front axle of the Ford engage. Great test.
I run them in my K30, you need rpm to get them to lock up or ur pooched. Except Im driving a truck with the resale value of a dozen eggs, point and send, I gotta try really hard to get even close to getting stuck.
does the HD at4 have a front locker?
I have had 2 sets of e rated duratracs i normally run them at 65 to 70 psi but during the winter months I will run them at 40 and thats makes a huge difference without any noticeable wear or squat. I will air the rear tires up if i have to haul or pull something heavy
Need these tests with same driver ,same path,same exact tire. Please. Also lower tire pressure next time in snow please ,it will help a lot
Nathan give a listen to seether brused and bloody, that's how I felt watching. Can't believe that you made it..amazing
You guys are crazy brave.
non-offroader here with a dumb question: why would offroad focused vehicles have shock mounting points that dip SO LOW below the axel? would't it make more sense, from a clearance perspective, to mount them above the axel to inprove clearance?
Because they aren't dedicated offroad trucks, they are tow rigs with offroad capabilities.
But it would be nice to have them in a more ideal location for clearance.
Lol at getting a GMC Sierra commercial in the middle of a F250 vs Sierra side by side comparison/review
that turbo does sound good on the powerstroke
Would like to see a aev ram on that same course.
The 2500HD ZR2 non AEV edition is actually a pretty solid deal. They're going for mid 80s with a diesel here which is cheaper then RAM/Fords mid level trim HD trucks
Please start doing these off road comparisons with the same exact tires. So we can really know whats what
What ever happened to your Colorado Andre? Did you return it to the dealership? Did they fix it? Still driving it? Is it going to make a showing in the snow? 🤔
Not aired down enough with those tires. E-rated tires are 65psi, but you should be running them at 18-20 psi in the snow.
shoudlnt u locked the front differential? wouldnt that have helped meaning all wheels needed to spin not just one.
i think is the transmission gear different between two truck
Would a front locker have helped on razor rocks?
I am actually in the market for one of these. I am a Ford guy and will probably go that direction but the GMC is nice.
Definitely would have been a different result on both trucks if you had let some air out of the tires.
AND MOMENTUM
Idk why they don't just buy a good compressor and actually offroad like people do IRL
Still love my 2022 chevy Silverado trail boss 1500 with a 6.2 .
Have you taken it offroading yet?
I've got a 19 Trailboss 5.3L . Love it. It's done some fairly serious offloading. 60k miles and going.
'the hokey pokey dance helps" y'all are hiliarious!
The Duratrac is a three peak snowflake tire it’s been really good for me in the snow…not sure they make them anymore and the territory looks to be its replacement, albeit without that same snowflake symbol…would be curious about what new tech it has and if it will be rated as such in the future…maybe a future video comparing those two wildly common OEM tires for off road vehicles?
During the razor rocks Why didn’t you lock your front diff in and turn your advance Trac off??? 😅
Never really said which you prefer or why. But you did try to make the driving seem dramatic. You are entertaining.
Im more of a Ford truck guy but that GMC looks like it did much better going up the hills got stuck much less. Hard to believe its just the tires...wow.
It has a specific crawl mode that for some reason these guys aren't talking about.
So these guys make these tasks so much harder than they really are my God it's like 2-3 inches of snow you could damn near take a semi truck everywhere they've gone. The trucks they have should really have absolutely not a single issue going through any of this.
Im quite confident my 77 K30 would have caked walked through that, Iv recovered downed bull elk in much worse terrain than that with no issues.
The lights on the new ford look funky
Andre panicking will forever be funny to me.
I enjoy the ranch a ton, but for some reason I'm reminiscent about all the old trails you fellas would go up🤷
This isn’t the ranch, it’s a local mountain trail.
@@garysarratt1 I know, that's what inspired my comment sir. They used to go run on a whack of trails and this brought back memories of the days before the washout. The ranch is fantastic as a test grounds, I just enjoy the scenery and random misadventures that are not Tommy's Demise🤣😂
@@coryernewein Oh I gotcha, sorry about that.
Does anyone know how to lower tire pressure for these offroad runs? 15lbs of pressure would make a huge difference.
Only $100,000. Finally, these are the trucks that we all can afford! What great value, how do these companies manage to stay in business by providing so much value for so little money. The sarcasm just keeps dripping like honey.
Why is the Ford U joint covered in rust?
Did you guys air down your tires at all?