My fascination with Vivek is based on his ideas and clear communication. He not only explains what he wants to do but why he wants to do it. Vivek for President in 2024!
Isn't that funny, that Buckleys generation had that Mid-Atlantic accent that sounds so British! I was thinking the same thing. Buckley and Thomas Sowell reminiscent
It's like you read my mind, Robert! National Review has lost that lovely WFB (RIP) quick cleverness, deep intellectual understanding and ability to communicate the modern conservative movement. Douglas can't replace but certainly has accepted the baton from WFB. Thank God!
We have Douglas Murray he should be the minister of education . Only then will we the Uk produce true scholars blessed with common sense a virtue lacking today.
As I watched this video, it occurred to me that Douglas Murray reminds me of William F Buckley. I use to watch Firing Line where he use to debate many guests, successfully I might add. Mr Murray is a great asset to our nation at this moment in history. I also really like Vivek Ramaswamy as a candidate for president, I am beginning to think he may be the one we need. Just my two cents
I was just thinking recently, I wish Douglas Murray and Vivek could talk. That would be a great conversation. And then I found this lol. Brilliant discussion!
Incredible. Douglas and Vivek on the same platform, leadership at the crux of world history and fate. Historic words drought down from the mountain. And it is Yom Kipper. Totally biblical.
We now have so much information at our fingertips, that we have to filter good information from bad. I believe that young people ignore anything that sounds mean or has responsibility to it. And I mean ignore in the strictest terms, it is like they don't even see the words.
If you find yourself engaged with one of these younger types, they seem to only try to pick apart your arguments with the weakest link they can find. Make your point to refute their ignorant claims and then remind them that you noticed that they ignored a different part of your argument. Even if they run away from strong arguments or criticism, you have reminded them of personal responsibility, if even for a moment in their goldfish sized memory.
I am a little confused,I am a conservative but I don't think that Trump can win again in 2024.Though Biden policies are wrong but still the media is successful in portraying Trump as a villian because of Deep state investing so much.
Same. I also switched my vote from Trump to Vivek. I even went and registered as Republican for the first time in my life just to vote for him in the primaries lol
@@ShivankDwivedi.He won’t. The evil establishment will never let Trump step foot in office ever again. 2020 proved it. But with Vivek, it will be SO hard for them to cheat lol in fact, I think Vivek will flip all 50 states red for the first time in decades.
"In my UN-LIVED experience" is actually a huge problem, all these activists, our youth are demanding change or allies to causes they have no experience with. It's about feelings & parroting what they are told is important. I see this in my millennial son who has devolved an attitude in line with many others. Who thinks they have experience, more experience than me & know better than me & anyone else... without the lived experience to form his beliefs.
@christiansgrignoli3351 we never stop learning, millennials & gen Z experience's & social lives are majority online compared to other generations. Social media is a double edged sword
Not all Millennials are the same. Older Millennials grew up without social media and have lots of experience taking care of ourselves more like Gen X. I have also noticed that millennials who grew up poor have a different work ethic than Millennials who had an upper midclaas household. Our poor parents both worked, and we had to learn to be somewhat self-sufficient until your parents got home after work. Poor kids were expected to help out around the house, so you best believe we grew up with a different moral and work ethic. That is why I find Vivek to be so powerful because he is young enough to be effective in the role of President, but also he is old enough to take on the roll as our founding fathers required when they created the US President position.
100%. 25 year olds....Degrees in Biochemistry, MS in Biomedical Engineering, MBA, now Master's in AI. Working as data engineering/coding but nothing from his degree(s). What privilege?
Each of us should be well grounded in our moral values that is belief in God. Then it’s product is a citizen who loves to work hard, do the right choice, and be a good citizen this is what is lacking among our youth and others. Let moral values be taught back in schools, church should do their part. God bless us all! Vivek for president.
We no longer need the crutches of delusional ideas to be moral beings. Morality is inherent in us. The Woke of today are the Catholics of yesterday. Same wine in a different bottle.
I do wish when you guys discuss race based affirmative action you could acknowledge that it has played a role in desegregating work environments. I was there in the 70’s when companies were making the decision to hire the first black person. Affirmative action also helped integrate women into the workplace, also something that needed to be done. We no longer need these programs and now they are causing problems, but they served a purpose .
When we read novels like Robinson Crusoe we see rather crude and racist passages and scholars say that in the times the novel was written it was quite normal to voice these kinds of thougths in public. Then slowly things changed, the sons of those who used slur words against blacks thought it was not the right thing to do. I don't think there was any government movement that compelled them to do so. Therefore I think it was a question of time that hippies for example could come up with ideas like equity in the work place without affirmative action. My point is things would have evolved positively by the will of human consciousness without any directive by those in power. No one ordered men to help their spouses to do chores but they do it nowadays isn't it?
It seems to me that Douglas is one of Vivek's intellectual mentors. Douglas' opening statement is very close to Vivek's premise of running for President. I hope I'm right, Douglas Murray is a Western Civ. champion.
The problem with "Truth" is we have lost the definition of truth. There is no longer *THE* truth, but *HIS* truth, *HER* truth, *MY* truth, or *Your* truth. Without a concrete definition of "truth", how can *anyone* "speak truth to power"?
I appreciate this conversation. I wish Vivek would talk to Douglas more than to the crowd. I am more interested in their conversation then talking points.
The USA NEED a leader-in-charge who actually KNOWS the Constitution and the LAW!!! Why did you elect a demented old man???? And why are your 'law-makers" old and half dead?!
Vivek, I would like to hear you discuss your experience at the FDA with your prostate pharma product. Can we make sure your "bio-tech" development and approval bears no resemblance to "big pharma?" Thank you.
Meritocracy must neither decelerate nor *accelerate* one's vocational advancement due to immutable characteristics. Talent and demonstrated ability alone must determine worthiness of praise or reward.
Thanks for the discussion. The problem with democracy is that it is the government of the average, by the average, and for the average. Vivek Ranaswamy is swiming against the current. Good luck.
The underrated views happens to be so because the kind of intellect and language appreciation here being discussed cannot be comprehend by most....... Most would be intoxicated by the exhuberance of the level of verbosity used.
🙏👍❤️🇺🇸 "Master of work versus Master of woke" we are at this point in America. Now we have to go back to Meritocracy. Fight is on. It will happen. Once people understand, half the problems are solved. I am happy. 🙏
I am sure the community here could answer my understanding of meritocracy… in a class of 10 students, if in case a prospective employer is willing to hire only one.. it’s absolutely clear that the kid who scored 7.76 gets selected and the kid who scored a 4.5 doesn’t stand a chance. That being said the kid who scored 7.75..should he accept this is the way system works? I am sure I have over simplified the broad nature of what the speakers define as merit… let’s assume the score is aggregate of a lot of factors.. (scores in a exam, leadership, etc…)… my view is that the kid who came in second is an ideal candidate for the left to radicalize considering the kid who came second turns resentful and the left would make him feel like a victim blaming the system…. Would be grateful for any thoughts on this!
Vivek and I hold differing opinions on abortion. From my perspective, the central issue revolves around whether it's a matter of a woman's autonomy over her body during pregnancy or if abortion should be approached as a human rights concern, regulated through political discourse. I believe that the choice to pursue an abortion should be based on physical, environmental, and physiological factors, and should be individually assessed. To truly prioritize the well-being of unborn fetuses, American legislators should invest in pre-fertilization abortion prevention options. By the time abortion is discussed with a patient, it often becomes a yes-or-no choice. My stance involves discontinuing abortion clinics, reducing social and economic barriers to abortion access in the United States, and ensuring that the decision-making process includes the patient, doctor, clergy, father, and family, without undue external influences.
What these men are is intelligent 'without' assuming special status for fortune of that gift. It is very common amongst 'true' intellectuals, who, balanced or recovered (from public education), care only about ideas, and not about how they or their gift can be monetized (thought they often become wealthy as a biproduct of their good fortune). Those who 'consider' themselves 'elite', for possessing some other 'asset' (usually inherited wealth, beauty, talent, athletic ability, or 'memory, which is used to synthesize intelligence through academic resonance) not widely more given, aren't made grateful and settled by that simple good fortune, what they want is for 'you' to realize, accept, and publicly acknowledge that you are not as 'good' as them. They don't, as is incorrectly said of them, always or necessarily additionally want power or wealth. Their egos often and only require your respect and deference. Only those who suffer greater insecurity pursue (as opposed to suffer) fame or celebrity as a broader means to greater evidence of their personal superiority and status above the status quo. The architecture of 'elitism' is 'institutional' narcissism.
Trump cannot manage a discussion like this that is why while he was a relatively good president, he still managed to lose his reelection bid and while half of the population adore him to the point of being almost fanatical, the other half are also losing their minds out of hatred for the guy. Americans should support Vivec Ramaswamy. You cannot get anyone better than this dude among the present candiates from both sides of the aisle.
Vivek and Douglas on the same podium. I knew i was on the right side. This here is liquid gold.
I love your comment!
Is the national review oily?
Liquid Gold, Purified!
I think my IQ just went up ten points listening to these two gentlemen.
😂 I’m laughing only because I do agree! A wonderful listen. Makes me hopeful for the world. We actually still have intelligent voices out there.🙏
Why do you think neither are invited into leftist media outlets anymore..lol
Where's Jesus in all of this? Isn't Vivek Hindu?
I think it's more like our IQ got back up to what it was before we've had all this nonsense shoved down our throats the last couple years lol
Well. Now you are 'privileged'. Down with you.. you 'privileged' bourgeois... The revolution is coming. And it will 'cancel' you out
My fascination with Vivek is based on his ideas and clear communication. He not only explains what he wants to do but why he wants to do it.
Vivek for President in 2024!
Two incredible and eloquent thinkers.
Listening to these brilliant men not only teaches me, it grows and inspires me. Thank you!
You are not alone.
Vivek never fails to inspire. He makes me want to be better.
❤
Douglas's wit and dry humour is matched by Vivek's quick mind and passion...this was great!
Douglas and Vivek are wrong. No Einstein required. And Republicans will not win back America.
Very well said 👏 👍 😊
Great discussion! Vivek never fails to articulate.
Cant deny these brilliants minds. Combination of very high IQ and EQ😊
Love how Vivek used the Exodus analogy after speaking with Jordan Peterson
How the hell does this only have 420 views in 2 days? This has to be more RUclips suppression!
All podcasts on here are white washed.
It's a shadowban I think
6.7k after a month
It's the Biden brand, in my opinion
No, it’s national review. Need more brand recognition
This should have 1mn views.
Loved " Hardship and victimhood" analysis. Wonderful.
Vivek 2024
Vivek just got my heart asking Douglas “what’s that word?”
Curiosity & humbleness in pursuit of knowledge is beautiful.
Viva Vivek 2024! 🇺🇸💪🏼💯
VIVA TRUMP 2024 🇺🇸
We are truly blessed to have Douglas Murray today. He is our modern day William F. Buckley
Isn't that funny, that Buckleys generation had that Mid-Atlantic accent that sounds so British! I was thinking the same thing. Buckley and Thomas Sowell reminiscent
It's like you read my mind, Robert! National Review has lost that lovely WFB (RIP) quick cleverness, deep intellectual understanding and ability to communicate the modern conservative movement.
Douglas can't replace but certainly has accepted the baton from WFB. Thank God!
Douglas and Vivek are exactly the same brain.
I'm so jealous that we don't have anyone of Vivek's calibre in the UK.
Find an Indian who really believes in Hinduism.
We have Douglas Murray he should be the minister of education . Only then will we the Uk produce true scholars blessed with common sense a virtue lacking today.
@@realabhinavaryahe will be converted to Christianity .the Holy Spirit will give him a vision and say , I am God there is no other! Boom !
@@amoyjoyce1117 wtf 🤣
@@amoyjoyce1117 Then you'd end up with someone like Nikki💀
I have pondered the adolescence of America with regard to respect for life, so my ears have been prepared to hear Vivek’s take on our national age.
Love both these gentlemen ❤❤
an intellectual and a leader walk into a bar...
As I watched this video, it occurred to me that Douglas Murray reminds me of William F Buckley. I use to watch Firing Line where he use to debate many guests, successfully I might add. Mr Murray is a great asset to our nation at this moment in history. I also really like Vivek Ramaswamy as a candidate for president, I am beginning to think he may be the one we need.
Just my two cents
William F. Buckley is certainly smiling. Vivek needs to put all his time and energy behind Donald Trump.
I haven’t heard Vivek laugh more in any video. Well played 👏🏼
I know. It’s so fun to watch 😂
I was just thinking recently, I wish Douglas Murray and Vivek could talk. That would be a great conversation. And then I found this lol. Brilliant discussion!
Who could have imagined that something as obvious as meritocracy would ever be in question?
Excellent conversation, thx for sharing.
Vivek2024. Make America SMART Again!!!
Douglas Murray, thank you!❤
I cant wait to listen to these two brilliant people
What a remarkable combination.
Love both of these Gentlemen ❤
Incredible. Douglas and Vivek on the same platform, leadership at the crux of world history and fate. Historic words drought down from the mountain. And it is Yom Kipper. Totally biblical.
Vivek by a landslide ❤
The dark humour of the British is absolutely unmatched LOL
“Hardship is not the same as victimhood” - VR Exactly! This idea is what is currently differentiating the right/left.
Excellent discussion!!
LOVE both of these men! Both superior intellects and honest. Vivek 2024 ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🇺🇸🇮🇱🙏
We now have so much information at our fingertips, that we have to filter good information from bad. I believe that young people ignore anything that sounds mean or has responsibility to it. And I mean ignore in the strictest terms, it is like they don't even see the words.
If you find yourself engaged with one of these younger types, they seem to only try to pick apart your arguments with the weakest link they can find. Make your point to refute their ignorant claims and then remind them that you noticed that they ignored a different part of your argument. Even if they run away from strong arguments or criticism, you have reminded them of personal responsibility, if even for a moment in their goldfish sized memory.
I have been a Trump supporter; however, Vivek has taken that support. I hope the 2 can work together to make America GREAT again.
I am a little confused,I am a conservative but I don't think that Trump can win again in 2024.Though Biden policies are wrong but still the media is successful in portraying Trump as a villian because of Deep state investing so much.
Same. I also switched my vote from Trump to Vivek. I even went and registered as Republican for the first time in my life just to vote for him in the primaries lol
@@ShivankDwivedi.He won’t. The evil establishment will never let Trump step foot in office ever again. 2020 proved it. But with Vivek, it will be SO hard for them to cheat lol in fact, I think Vivek will flip all 50 states red for the first time in decades.
"In my UN-LIVED experience" is actually a huge problem, all these activists, our youth are demanding change or allies to causes they have no experience with. It's about feelings & parroting what they are told is important. I see this in my millennial son who has devolved an attitude in line with many others. Who thinks they have experience, more experience than me & know better than me & anyone else... without the lived experience to form his beliefs.
Great point. I'm a 34 yr old millennial. The more I learn the more I realize I don't know. I'm educated, but still know very little.
@christiansgrignoli3351 we never stop learning, millennials & gen Z experience's & social lives are majority online compared to other generations. Social media is a double edged sword
Not all Millennials are the same. Older Millennials grew up without social media and have lots of experience taking care of ourselves more like Gen X. I have also noticed that millennials who grew up poor have a different work ethic than Millennials who had an upper midclaas household. Our poor parents both worked, and we had to learn to be somewhat self-sufficient until your parents got home after work. Poor kids were expected to help out around the house, so you best believe we grew up with a different moral and work ethic.
That is why I find Vivek to be so powerful because he is young enough to be effective in the role of President, but also he is old enough to take on the roll as our founding fathers required when they created the US President position.
@@markandstephaniebrewer3289 #NotAll
This video being throttled by RUclips.
Vivek Ramaswamy is a brilliant mix of intelligence and integrity 🔥 can't wait to see him in office in 2024 ❤
That CS Lewis paraphrase is powerful to me. Thanks Douglas
100%. 25 year olds....Degrees in Biochemistry, MS in Biomedical Engineering, MBA, now Master's in AI. Working as data engineering/coding but nothing from his degree(s). What privilege?
Vivek 2024 ❤
1000% correct. So glad they are talking about this which all know yet have tabooed this topic
These 2 are so brilliant, I could listen to them all day long, I love how they both appreciate each others intelligence.
Each of us should be well grounded in our moral values that is belief in God. Then it’s product is a citizen who loves to work hard, do the right choice, and be a good citizen this is what is lacking among our youth and others. Let moral values be taught back in schools, church should do their part. God bless us all! Vivek for president.
We no longer need the crutches of delusional ideas to be moral beings. Morality is inherent in us. The Woke of today are the Catholics of yesterday. Same wine in a different bottle.
Douglas Murray amazing. Vivek im routing for you too!
VIVEK 2024 🇺🇸
2:22 😂😂😂 the jab at Malcom Gladwell made me LOL
Thank you so much, gentlemen, for your time in having this conversation.
This was extraordinary.
The quintessential american and the quintessential Brit... Amazing discussion
I do wish when you guys discuss race based affirmative action you could acknowledge that it has played a role in desegregating work environments. I was there in the 70’s when companies were making the decision to hire the first black person. Affirmative action also helped integrate women into the workplace, also something that needed to be done. We no longer need these programs and now they are causing problems, but they served a purpose .
When we read novels like Robinson Crusoe we see rather crude and racist passages and scholars say that in the times the novel was written it was quite normal to voice these kinds of thougths in public. Then slowly things changed, the sons of those who used slur words against blacks thought it was not the right thing to do. I don't think there was any government movement that compelled them to do so. Therefore I think it was a question of time that hippies for example could come up with ideas like equity in the work place without affirmative action. My point is things would have evolved positively by the will of human consciousness without any directive by those in power. No one ordered men to help their spouses to do chores but they do it nowadays isn't it?
U both make good points. Thank you
Witt, Brillant! Douglas❤
Two of the saner minds in these crazy 'woke' times.
Brilliant.
AGREED 💯
Great Talk 👍🏾
What a great discussion. So surprised to see only 5.5k views.
It seems to have been shadowbanned by RUclips, afterall BlackRock and Vanguard owns all Tech, and Vivek Rs has been openly taking over them..
S u p p r e s s I o n
Vivek 2024!
It seems to me that Douglas is one of Vivek's intellectual mentors. Douglas' opening statement is very close to Vivek's premise of running for President. I hope I'm right, Douglas Murray is a Western Civ. champion.
The problem with "Truth" is we have lost the definition of truth. There is no longer *THE* truth, but *HIS* truth, *HER* truth, *MY* truth, or *Your* truth. Without a concrete definition of "truth", how can *anyone* "speak truth to power"?
Superb
Douglas Murray should run for office
I appreciate this conversation. I wish Vivek would talk to Douglas more than to the crowd. I am more interested in their conversation then talking points.
Beautiful discussion! Some very fun soundbites in there too.
"As opposed to what experience?" :D
Good
The USA NEED a leader-in-charge who actually KNOWS the Constitution and the LAW!!! Why did you elect a demented old man???? And why are your 'law-makers" old and half dead?!
Vivek, I would like to hear you discuss your experience at the FDA with your prostate pharma product.
Can we make sure your "bio-tech" development and approval bears no resemblance to "big pharma?"
Thank you.
It’s covered in the recent PBD podcast.
Yeah I would like to hear more about what values he showed while in pharma. He talks very righteous about his experience, but that game is cutthroat
Meritocracy must neither decelerate nor *accelerate* one's vocational advancement due to immutable characteristics. Talent and demonstrated ability alone must determine worthiness of praise or reward.
Thanks for the discussion. The problem with democracy is that it is the government of the average, by the average, and for the average. Vivek Ranaswamy is swiming against the current. Good luck.
The underrated views happens to be so because the kind of intellect and language appreciation here being discussed cannot be comprehend by most.......
Most would be intoxicated by the exhuberance of the level of verbosity used.
🙏👍❤️🇺🇸 "Master of work versus Master of woke" we are at this point in America. Now we have to go back to Meritocracy. Fight is on. It will happen. Once people understand, half the problems are solved. I am happy. 🙏
I love Vivek. If you want Vivek to win you must be a registered Republican to vote in the Primary to beat Trump….
Murray reminds me of William F. Buckley’s way of talking and some their content seem similar. wow
Douglas reminds me of someone 🤔 like a young Simon Cowell but for politics. Very direct and blunt and may come off as rude but it’s for the best.
12:30 Vivek speaks
If i could change myself to talk like and have the intellect of someone it would absolutely be douglass murray, 2nd choice christopher hitchens
Sorry I'm late to this one.
We eagerly replace the mesh of Meritocracy with the muddle of Mediocrity.
That final quote by C.S. Lewis was .....wooooo....is someone cutting an onion in here. 😅
Everyone like the video, helps beat the algorithm
Well. This is most excellent. Douglas outshines Vivek, sorry Vivek! But they are both quite brilliant. I Douglas weren’t gay I’d….
He’s articulating what we all think but have trouble articulating. Very intelligent gentleman.
#Vivek2024
Suffering is not victim hood. Quote of the night
Douglas needs to be in Viveks team and Trump if he wins. Trump would agree with all this because Vivek is taking it further forward than Trump did.
I am sure the community here could answer my understanding of meritocracy… in a class of 10 students, if in case a prospective employer is willing to hire only one.. it’s absolutely clear that the kid who scored 7.76 gets selected and the kid who scored a 4.5 doesn’t stand a chance. That being said the kid who scored 7.75..should he accept this is the way system works? I am sure I have over simplified the broad nature of what the speakers define as merit… let’s assume the score is aggregate of a lot of factors.. (scores in a exam, leadership, etc…)… my view is that the kid who came in second is an ideal candidate for the left to radicalize considering the kid who came second turns resentful and the left would make him feel like a victim blaming the system…. Would be grateful for any thoughts on this!
Meritocracy alone is not sufficient. It must be accompanied by articulation.
Vivek and I hold differing opinions on abortion. From my perspective, the central issue revolves around whether it's a matter of a woman's autonomy over her body during pregnancy or if abortion should be approached as a human rights concern, regulated through political discourse. I believe that the choice to pursue an abortion should be based on physical, environmental, and physiological factors, and should be individually assessed. To truly prioritize the well-being of unborn fetuses, American legislators should invest in pre-fertilization abortion prevention options. By the time abortion is discussed with a patient, it often becomes a yes-or-no choice. My stance involves discontinuing abortion clinics, reducing social and economic barriers to abortion access in the United States, and ensuring that the decision-making process includes the patient, doctor, clergy, father, and family, without undue external influences.
What these men are is intelligent 'without' assuming special status for fortune of that gift. It is very common amongst 'true' intellectuals, who, balanced or recovered (from public education), care only about ideas, and not about how they or their gift can be monetized (thought they often become wealthy as a biproduct of their good fortune).
Those who 'consider' themselves 'elite', for possessing some other 'asset' (usually inherited wealth, beauty, talent, athletic ability, or 'memory, which is used to synthesize intelligence through academic resonance) not widely more given, aren't made grateful and settled by that simple good fortune, what they want is for 'you' to realize, accept, and publicly acknowledge that you are not as 'good' as them.
They don't, as is incorrectly said of them, always or necessarily additionally want power or wealth. Their egos often and only require your respect and deference. Only those who suffer greater insecurity pursue (as opposed to suffer) fame or celebrity as a broader means to greater evidence of their personal superiority and status above the status quo.
The architecture of 'elitism' is 'institutional' narcissism.
Did Vivake borrow his Exodus analogy from his talks with Peterson? Lmao
Why is Douglas not making eye contact?
What is the word Douglas was mentioning? Asidine/ acidi sounding word? Can anyone help with the actual spelling ✌️
Accidie
Trump cannot manage a discussion like this that is why while he was a relatively good president, he still managed to lose his reelection bid and while half of the population adore him to the point of being almost fanatical, the other half are also losing their minds out of hatred for the guy. Americans should support Vivec Ramaswamy. You cannot get anyone better than this dude among the present candiates from both sides of the aisle.
Dougie is a tad too pleased with himself. Vivek, however, spot on.
Douglass forgot about 'My Truth."
VIVEK 2024