Political Correctness and Vacuous Wokeness: Douglas Murray debates Sylvana Simons
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- Опубликовано: 13 дек 2019
- British conservative commentator and author, Douglas Murray, and Dutch left-wing politician and author Sylvana Simons debate political correctness and identity politics - including Murray’s latest publication, The Madness of Crowds: gender, race and identity.
Have political correctness, "wokeness" and identity politics gone too far?
Cultural critic Douglas Murray and author Sylvana Simons go head to head to debate what Murray calls "the dementing whirlwinds of our time."
I get the feeling this black woman is a professional victim.
Yes she is.
@@NatasjavanDijknah It seems that it is only these "professional victims" who are given any air-time - nothing ever broadcast about Thomas Sowell's or Morgan Freeman's opinions, though, are there? Awful lot of "ums" and "ers" in her speech, too.
She struck me as such from the first 30 seconds or so and I was waiting for Douglas to give her the killer reply, which didn't really happen. Dang, would have been fun :)
Specially toward the end when she talked about respect, I thought she had deserved to be given a lecture. No, maam' respect is rare and has to be earned and not every child gets a trophy in life.
@@jvgauthier Douglas was weak. He has been tamed by the likes of this harridan. Poor show.
Plenty of them are born victims , the whole world is against them.
I'm black. This woman does not represent me one bit. I believe she believes she represents us.
Arnold Garry blacks and browns have never fought for freedom or stopped slavery in their own countries, unlike Whites who stopped slavery, which is why the elite are forcing masses of brown and blacks into white countries to make white countries slave countries.
This woman is trying to accrue power. Her statements reveal her feelings of superiority. She does want equality. She wants power. She speaks for herself, and no one else. "We've spoken and I haven't killed you." No conciliation in her at all.
Arnold Garry That’s a universal characteristic of all sjw’s.
@@christina7215 that is funny! I m in tears!
Only collectivist pinheads would think someone speaks for a group simply by inheriting some genes.
*Sylvana Simons wants to lead us down the road to insanity and Douglas Murray is saying, "I'm not going."*
Thing is when society is consistently being DRIP FED this WOKE garbage, then it gradually sinks in over time. It is the generation below us, we MUST remind of what is real and what is make believe.
Im from the Netherlands. Just to point out that Sylvana’s career path basically goes something like this. She was first a hair stylist, then a presenter on the equivalent of MTV here in the Netherlands. Because she is a black woman though, that’s all the credentials you need to become a political activist trying to get a seat in parliament. She’s pretty awful and indeed the pinnacle of wokeness in the Netherlands. She is by no means an intellectual, nor has any real credentials to speak about political issues. It is very hard to take her seriously
And that makes sense from her incoherent babblings when it was her time to speak.
All that crap about Zwarte Piet being "in blackface" was a prime example. It's not blackface. It is dirt and soot from going up and down the chimney - so being dirty is racist now?
stem die kut dan uit de regering? ;)
Well, I am Belgian (Flemish) and have seen her in the Dutch parliament and I completely agree with you.
The fact that she lost her seat in the most recent election a year after your post says a lot, doesn't it?
I'm Dutch to, and want to say sorry for this terrible human being
She is a perfect example of someone who thinks from a perspective of entitlement.
Wake up , respect is earned.
Well, sometimes respect is simply granted and assumed. Respect for the Queen. Respect for the President. Respect for Morrissey's opinions on Islam. BASIC respect. Douglas Murray is saying the same thing, listen to people with whom you think you disagree, honestly and generously, not with the spirit is trying to catch them with a hidden meaning.
To wit, hidden meaning. I betcha didn't know the following view was a thing. Leftists are re-interpreting Goldilocks to represent a WHITE intruder or colonizer, while the 3 bears represent BLACK PEOPLE ... because if Goldie is obviously White, the Bears must be Black .. Black crime victims perpetrated by a White girl.
The bears couldn't just be wild carnivores with fictional human trails.
That woman is what is wrong with the world.
Like every word out of her mouth was bs lies
Well, she's an actor/politician. What would you expect?
Her smirky face 😡
Thanks, you saved me from saying it.
She is THE worse.. the anti black pete organisation is famous for disrupting childerensparties (thats what Sinterklaas is). She refuses to do her homework on the history of blackpete (who was a LIBERATED SLAVE who chose to serve Sinterklaas for freeing him.. )
Also: Sylvana is "partyleader" from a ONEMAN political party WITHOUT ANY support other than white people hating racist...
Sylvana Simons has NO voice, NO support and DOESN'T deserve ANY respect.
Douglas Murray is one of the best voices currently around
And has the best tailor!
An intellectual genius debating a woman with the mindset of a silly teenager
Teenager? I've always thought they were more like 7th graders. And, I was being kind.
@@GuapoJhimi That's a teenager. So you know
Yes
💯 million percent correct 👏
The thing that I'm most frightened (phobic) about with the movement of constantly being called out on mis-gendering or incorrect pronoun usage is *:* It seems like a movement that has been designed by our adversaries to cause social instability and vulnerability and to distract people's attention from vital, higher priority issues.
Conservative *:* Infrastructure = Roads, Public Utilities
Liberal *:* Infrastructure = Tech designed to invade individual citizen's privacy
I’m offended by her statements. She should get fired immediately because she does not respect my feelings.
I like Zwarte Piet beer. :(
Yes, when she says "respect," she means "kowtow to."
Only a leftist is allowed to be offended.
Absolutely.
If someone doesn't allow you to speak your own mind or even try to arrive at your own thoughts and beliefs because of their own interests then very likely they don't respect you as an individual (since they don't want to encounter you as one). Everyone innately wants to be free, to have the right to speak and think for themselves and to not be dictated to, everyone hates being coerced, manipulated, bullied, pressured or cajoled to speak and act in ways that don't agree with their sense of self (we struggle to grow into our freedoms from childhood). That is why I think Sylvana Simmons approach is completely incorrect and self-defeating, she says that we must show respect for a trans person by agreeing that they are the gender of their preference, but that is ridiculous in my mind, for a number of reasons:
* First, those two things simply aren't the same or coequal; someone who is narcissistic, egotistical, self-superior or highly ambitious might be annoyed or offended if you didn't treat them as a big shot, but I am not obligated to do this, and there are many other ways to show respect towards that person other than indulging their self-conception, such as treating them well, listening to them, putting up with their excesses, being generous to them socially when it is appropriate etc. etc. You can show someone respect by not avoiding them, by looking after them, by not excluding them, by being fair and equitable towards them and others (applying the same standards as you would with anyone else, even when you would rather not), but you can do all of these things without agreeing that a man is a woman. My neighbour might be angry with me if he has a Messiah complex and I don't agree that he is the Messiah, but that doesn't mean I have to dislike him, make fun of him, hate him or try to deny him his rights - my uncle is trans, but I am not obligated to think of him in the same way he thinks of himself (I am willing to guess my estimation of many people I respect and treat respectfully is different from their self-estimation, but that is just one facet of our lives and interactions, we still manage to get on with the work of life). I DO respect trans people, but I disagree that there is just one type of trans person, that they are all the same, conceive of themselves in the same way and want the same things, the phenomenon is also so new and ever evolving (which is why we're only just starting to run into problems like trans children and inequalities in sports) that I don't think it is even necessary for me to have strong opinions or beliefs on it at all times; if the terrain is clearly complicated, nuanced and sometimes messy why would I allow someone else to force their simplistic beliefs on me about the subject when I haven't settled on what I even think about it all yet?
* Second, to return to my earlier point, we all hate being forced to say things or act in ways that don't come naturally to us. Sylvana Simmons seems to think that we owe it to a person of colour, a trans, non straight or religious person to not offend them, I disagree. Of course we shouldn't be excessively rude and offensive towards others, but we have a right to live our own best lives and be ourselves regardless of whether others might occasionally be offended by this (religious people are going to be offended by people who are sexually liberal or promiscuous, but neither should be able to dictate to their opposite). It is fundamental to who we are, as people, that we all want to be free, able to think for ourselves and express ourselves. This is more meaningful and fundamental to who we are than any sense of how black, gay or trans we might be, because all of those things are only one facet of who we are, but the degree to which we are free and empowered as individuals effects every facet of our lives and being. We live in a liberal democracy which does an amazing job of fostering and enhancing these goods (freedom, happiness, self-exploration), so we should do what we can to try and achieve the goals of giving people more freedom, but also at the same time encourage love, tolerance and mutual respect. We don't need to excise freedom of thought and freedom of expression from our societies or universities to cultivate the freedom of minorities, we just need to keep better educating society as a whole and working on the values that make democratic society possible, because fundamentally we all want a liberal society with freedom of thought, freedom of belief, freedom of expression and a culture of mutual respect. We can continue to grow and mature our democracy without rampant cancel culture, without forcing race, sex and sexuality into every conversation, without radicalised lunatics who have no integrity taking over every facet of society (journalists who don't do real, principled journalism, academics who don't actually embody the values of academia, populist politicians who blame everything on systemic racism or patriarchy, and 'experts' on woke talking points who have no respectability outside of commercialised, faux-radical circles and their coat-tail chasers).
* Third, it might be seen as a flippant or sarcastic remark but I agree 100% with Kiryk Drewinski; because I value freedom of thought (as someone who has enjoyed university life, debate and academia), freedom of expression (as a lover of art / a would be artist), and as a liberal (who grew up in and believes in democratic society), I find what woke culture is doing to our democracy deeply offensive. I personally would find it deeply offensive if someone wanted to deny me the right to think and speak freely, because these things are so fundamental to who I am, what I want and what makes my life worth living. Equally, all of the comedians, politicians, artists and academics who have been cancelled or de-platformed on the slightest of offenses and the most exaggerated charges are sure to feel the same way. I would invite Sylvana Simons to think about the perspective of people like Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle etc. etc.
Usually I would try to round off the subject with a quick final paragraph but this is such a broad and bloated subject it is hard to meaningfully put a cap on the conversation. Maybe the best I could achieve would be to say that we should go back to principled, intelligent and dignified thinkers like Martin Luther King, rather than look towards the terminally offended as our guides on how best to conduct ourselves and organise our societies.
Douglas is an extraordinary communicator. Totally nails it!
Thank you for fighting the good fight, Douglas. And for showing such patience and class in the face of such unrelenting imbicility.
They always have that smug, narcissistic smile and air of nonchalant arrogance. It’s sickening
It really is, couldn't agree more. It's because they have been elevated by others to this position where they mostly go unchallenged.
Welcome to Cambridge / Boston Massachusetts / San Francisco.
Megan Markle has that smug smile.
It's a mix of invincible parochialism, under moral superiority, dupers delight or some other malicious satisfaction and doing harm she knows she's going to get away with telling lies she knows we'll get away with and so l fifth.
Her sneering turned into full disgust noises by the end. You wouldn't want her to be a dictator... the killing fields would stretch for miles.
She is exactly what I imagined her to be.
SufamiDan ... Nut job??🤔🤔
No, she is far, far worse...
You only have to hear one point to know her whole opinion on everything because she's possessed by radical leftist ideology. Really boring talking to those people because you immediately know what they think.
So she freely admits that neither her race nor gender held her back, but it was her strong character that propelled her into success. So what, she wants to wage a crusade in advocacy of black females who have a more timid character? She just destroyed her own argument.
She is successful because she is awesome, not because she has opportunities that people who look like her have not historically had available to them. It's her personal awesomeness you understand. Awesome. Did I mention how awesome she is?
Just a bunch of words. No substance. She can get where she's at but for some reason other young black women can't?
Shows that she is not intelligent
@@grantmillard8387 Yeah, looks so pathetic every time she praises herself 😂
She speaks of respect then keeps talking over him. He is brilliant 😊
A lot of black people find this woman and her carping self important nonsense embarassing.
I detected she is projecting her needs into a play on base_1 first degree victimhood
They do.
That's not entirely true. We find that she has lost focus by fighting for a group that is not being structurally marginalized. People from the Alphabet community have confiscated the struggle of black people. No it's not like in 1855 but we still face injustice on numerous levels. I think the part where she was talkinf about Zwarte Piet was a good example of how whites position themselves in a racist spectrum...
@@nelsondewaard9267
The 'zwarte piet' discussion has three major problems of conflation.
1 'zwarte piet' has nothing to do with the racist US blackface tradition, it's way older. Yet somehow many opponents of zwarte piet seem to claim there is a connection.
2 There are racist and stupid people among the dutch who call black people 'zwarte piet'. Removal of zwarte piet won't reduce the amount of racism in the Netherlands. Racist people will find other words to abuse.
3 Only the ones with the black skin color in the tradition get accused of being racist.
For those who appreciate a more sensible take on the problem I recommend this video :
ruclips.net/video/29AgEOwqbjI/видео.html
I can buy that.
She's wrong. It's courtesy we need in society. Respect is earned
I practically screamed this at my screen!
Courtesy is my duty to give. Respect is your duty to earn.
No rights without responsibility
Best remark of 2019
I'm anti-pc, but I don't think respect has to be earned. I was taught to respect my elders, and fellow human beings. I try to be respectful to anyone I encounter, but that respect can certainly be lost. "Respect is earned" sounds like a Nike commercial to me. It sounds good, but lacks wisdom.
The irony is: respect for others comes from respect for the self, and everything about wokeness and victim culture destroys a person's ability to respect themselves or even to identify themselves as separate from their group identities.
That is default respect for the position they hold. That respect should be given at first, but it can be lost, thus that respect may already been earned, but must be retained. That sounds better?
i love how Douglas exposes the rotten media. His articles are usually so rightfully sarcastic. It's always a delight to hear and read him.
"Man comes out in not very homophobic society and nobody cares." 😂😂😂😂
Ignore this woman, just like we do in the Netherlands.
Truth
check
That is the best say to deal with such people. +1
ignoring hr is dangerous sinnce that leaves her free to spew such bs and some will fall for it unless her lies are exposed
She says she is a "Party Leader" but she 1 seat in the Amsterdam local township. And her "Party" has 0 seats in the parliament in The Hague. Besides, the best way to deal with extremists is to let them speak and ignore them at the same time. They will speak more and extreme BS which leads to self elimination. The fate of all extreme leftists, suicide by going more and more extreme. Let them be heard.. let everyone hear their nonsense.
I detest identity politics and Respect is EARNED dear
What does she need character for, she has a correct identity.
Scrolled down to comment just this.
True respect is earned. Many mistake respect with common courtesy and "good manners in a civilized society". We have developed those 2 because we have learned over time that this approach is what usually leads to the best outcome when communicating with other people. But with people who are not civilized, good manners only leads to them trampling you. So there are situations where common courtesy no longer leads to the best outcome and so people are adapting. Big surprise she is complaining. ;)
She just confirms everything wrong about WOKENESS. She is the personification of the word WOKENESS.
Gosh Douglas, you absolutely destroy your opponents every time, and I bloody love it!!
He actually went easy on her because he recognised her intellectual deficiency.
Douglas surgically takes Sylvana apart and she can't even see it.
I'm black and I despise that woman. She is really dumb and angry all the time
This woman has lost her mind. The woke PC club are insufferable
Woke is the past tense of wake.
She gets paid, she gets to push people around, life is wonderful.
Her whole body language is that of one that is full of unseen rage! This woman needs a therapist.
Her smiling when he makes his argument is so scary and evil
Courtesy is given freely... Respect is earned.
Douglas calmly explains everything wrong with wokeness.... then she demonstrates everything wrong with wokeness.
That's how lessons are usually conducted, right? You learn the theory first, then there's a practical demonstration.
100%. She is the shining example of the minority of idiots trying to spoil everything for the majority of sane minded people.
The woman is not very intelligent. She gets sweeped under the intellectual rug quite quickly in this discussion.
He's smart, almost like he knew what she would say before she said it.
@@yukiminami9202 You mean "dismantle western society by applying racism against white people"
I am a black woman, and I agree wholeheartedly and unequivocally with Douglas Murray.
Whaaaaat?! How can this be?!
We also need to hear how Sylvia makes you cringe.
♥️ (from a "white person" who doesn't give a sh#t about skin colour)
I’m a gay man and agree with Douglas Murray. It’s good he has voice and dismisses that gay men are all lefties. I find it strange that some people seem to think who you sleep with determines your political opinions and which party you vote for. All the gay men I know are right leaning when it comes to politics - so there is a mix, just like any other demographic.
You are a great Human being ♥️✌
Respect is earned by showing character
We are all born equal and we all die equal . Society has changed so dramatically now freedom of speech is quickly going out the door. Treat others as you would have them treat you . Political correctness is taking over
Respect is earned, not demanded, she has it wrong
Those that demand it won't get it..
Someone else’s need to have their nonsense respected isn’t my problem
depends on what level of respect is referred to. For any civil society, everyone should show everyone a basic level of courtesy also known as respect. At a bare minimum avoid blatant disrespect! To attain elevated status or admiration, also known as respect, one must do something worthy... the concept of "earned" respect fits there.
@@watcherwlc53 Sir, that's the most complete concise and accurate breakdown of the little "respect" kerfuffle and confusion that I've seen yet.
I totally agree. I can show you a courtesy that's easy. If you work in customer service you do it every day.
Jerk customer, you still smile and get the exchange done. But you don't need to respect that person.
If many parts of a comunity are disproportionately commiting violence than we need to address that.
And more over respect is something between known individuals.
Vote Conservative.
It's the right thing to do. 🇦🇺🇺🇲🇬🇧
🇨🇦 too!
lol
Ash Davidson we did...and won. 👍🏽🏴🇬🇧🇦🇺🇺🇸
Yup if anyone wants to know why our electorates have shifted right, they just need to be reminded that women like this, calling us racist and demanding everything change to suit them; are currently favoured by our establishments and (if we carry on as we are) will represent the new European majority in the next five decades.
And no that isn’t a far right conspiracy theory. Everyone from the Guardian to the BBC have reported gleefully that indigenous Europeans are set to become the minority in Western Europe.
Honest John yes, I’ve read that too. How incredibly sad to lose our country, and our people.
Ms. Simons literally describes the problem. She's okay making a change to her life, to stop saying a thing if someone prefers she doesn't. When does it stop though? When does it get to a point when you can't say anything at all because everyone's offended at all the things?
What a delightfully civil discourse on such a fraught set of issues. Cheers to both of you!
The woman is such a professional victim. The fact she’s on the stage with her designer glasses proves her vacuous arguments as empty.
apec. Hate judging a book by its cover but what was inside her book cover was exactly what I thought as soon as she opened her mouth.
@@ronskancke8166 activism, not discussion.
Racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic.
She’s a god damn stereotype.
That's why most Dutch hate her
@@ruuddriessen8547 I can understand that they do not like her, she is not likeable,but hate is something sinister, isnt't it.
"I don't understand why they're afraid." We are afraid to lose our jobs, our reputation, our friends for being labeled "transphobe, homophobe, racist, sexist" when in reality we simply DISAGREE with your position. On top of that, we are afraid to trade truth for a lie.
Her arrogance and do as I say attitude is astounding 😂😂😂😂
Sylvana wants you to 'fix' it if you offend her, yet her attitude is 'so what?' if she offends you. she loses
Exactly. When she said "Why don't we think about what we say before we speak.." she was referring not to her own constituency but to Murray and every else who holds a different opinion from her. We know this because she rudely interrupted him while he was saying "We should try to hear honestly other peoples words". She would not let him finish his message, and asserted her right to speak above his. A hypocrite and devoid of self-awareness.
yeah, some people would call that hypocrisy...
@Cary B agreed, but there's clearly a bigger agenda with these people. they seem to want to ideologically and culturally conquer us.
@Cary B just remember that the globalist/fascist/communist/zionist puppeteers at the top of the world's power structures (the ones who control tools like sylvana simons) have been through these cycles of social upheaval before. they're the ones who create the antagonism in societies for their own ends. this is an art form to them for social change. it's precisely what happened in 19th and 20th century europe. they're counting on a violent reaction. then they roll out restrictive new laws all for our own good, of course. it's a crisis, reaction, solution formula. it's social engineering at its finest, and it's been going on for awhile now. i'm all for pushing back, but i just want people to know what they're ultimately pushing back at. we're not pushing against tools like simon, we're really pushing against a powerful and corrupt global oligarchy. just so you don't think i'm totally crazy, take a look at these: Tragedy and Hope 101 by joe plummer and Fire in the Minds of Men by james billington. they're both available for free download. have a blessed day.
@@WreckItRolfe Probably because he is not divorced from a Jezebel Queen...can't miss one of them once you've been through the fire! lol
This woman is the type of person I tune out completely. Pompous demeanor, absolute confidence that she is the smartest person in the room and ideas that a very small but loud groups of generally very unhappy and hateful people agree with. Toss her overboard with the latrines!
I think the majority of people would be erroneous in believing they're the smartest in the room when that room also contains Douglas Murray
That's why we hate her here in the Netherlands because all the traits you mentioned.
Massive narcissist. CAn't be arsed listening to people like her, especially when they are next to a person as eloquent and intelligent as Murray.
no,no,no,no,,,,not the latrines,,please,,,there usefull,.
She comes across as far too arrogant and defensive, difficult to debate with someone so unstable, she is trying to stir up a problem that just isnt there. How did she cope in the 80s when growing up ffs, I bet she was afraid of her own shadow. Now she is picking on santa because she has no real world experience to justify her paranoia.
The woman was not even listening to him, just waiting for her chance to blast nonsense.
Wow Douglas Murray really went easy on her.
We in the western world are so lucky to have Douglas Murray .
What Western world are you living in?
We are. He is up there with the likes of the now dead Christopher Hitchen, Professor Jordon Peterson. They speak up for the truth and have cut through the woked BS of modern biased views. I mean when the BBC education channel had a head teacher telling two confused children saying there are 100 genders. Not 200 or 300 but 100 genders and she smugly smiled when she was teaching this nonsense that feelings and thoughts on gender trumps and overturns science where DNA, Genes rule. It seems some in the West are intentionally regressing. I wonder what the great people who advanced our world, Di Vinci, Galileo, Aristotle and Archimedes, Albert Einstein and Crick and Watson. I know who I would rather believe.
@@andrewpascoe1132 What other western part of Earth is there?
@@RealIllumin Western society... where the people are so ignorant that even if you took a frozen trout and slapped them in the fact with it in the name of 'truth', they would probably call the Police in fear to say a radicalised jihadi trout fell from the sky and that climate change caused it. Maybe that's just Australia though?
@@andrewpascoe1132 Yeah OK whatever, everyone in the west is ignorant. You should be proud that you don't live there then...
She wasn't listening the entire time. These people never listen, they just wait for their turn to speak.
So true...
Bc if she listened, she might actually have to critically think and challenge her ideology. Easier to not listen than to challenge ones beliefs
True. They can't listen. They believe there intellectualy superior. And if they actually listen then their argument can't stand up to logic or objective reality. Which by extension ridicules their chosen logic and reality which can't hold water in an adult conversation, So you just get these childish inflammatory and ridiculous slurs posing as counter arguments that your a racist,/sexist/xenophobe/ Nazi,/homophobe.etc.etc..
It's sad to see that this is the road that were on, and that effectively you can't have an adult conversation about these topics.
Sadly, our youth love her diatribe, because, they can shut down anyone intellectually superior to them by using race, homophobia, etc....Its an easier route than learning and researching like we have forever!
Be weary of a debater that spends most of their time postering and grinning for their fans in the crowd rather than actually *listening* to and dissecting their opponent’s statements, which is suppose to be the point, to elevate and strengthen the discussion and ideas.
Words are words and have no power to harm or hurt anyone… if a word hurts you … you are what is wrong with society today!
Imagine having a life so easy you have to invent problems. That's privilege.
or a career. It's a great career if you can get your spoon in the victim gravy. Because all your adherents only listen to hear you say what they believe, not what you actually think. As Peterson once said, once you know their ideology, you know exactly what they are going to say.
@@MarkJones-gt2qd If you can get your spoon in the victim gravy. My quote of the month.
This comment and the reply, absolute Gold.
🏆winning comment
courtesy SO different from respect!
Wow! We are really splitting hairs and dancing on heads of pins and walking on egg shells-because we have nothing more pressing to do like surviving childbirth and the winter and famine🙄🤦♀️
Obviously, these people have special privileges and men lack rights as always. It is an inconvenient to which their radical social constructivism and postmodernism keep giving. They end up making worse the actual problem. And of course they won't refute any arguments, and be full of fallacies. There was a time priests silenced philosophers, now see what happens to scientists: "Shut up and listen," they say, everything a priori and without a point to make. The woke woman in the video got jealous she couldn't silence a free thinker, at the end. It just makes me laugh.
Listen to the tone in her voice. Then imagine her with absolute power.
tumarfa Ugghh NO!
She would kill more people than Mao.
@Joe Blow yeah her facial expressions when he said he didn't know what non-binary meant because it hadn't been sufficiently explained. Of course she made no attempt at it and instead said some dumb platitude about having to respect everyone.
Look at her body posture it's typical of ,I'mnot listening
So sincere, so confidant... in her ignorance.
Respect is earned. You get a seat at the table if you exhibit competence. I would not give her a seat at the table, she’s not competent.
She's right about one thing, courtesy and respect are two different things. Respect is earned, courtesy is being polite. I think we should all be polite to one another, but I don't have to respect you or your ideas. That should be okay, but many want to force you to think like them, or else!
Great how she complains about racial profiling, then immediately engages in racial profiling.
Standard marxism....
EXACTLY!
She has no problem with racial profiling just in who is being profiled.
She is Dutch, why does she prefer this English accent.
@@brandwijkgg cuz it sounds cleva!
I was offended by everything that woman said, so by her own logic she should go away and never say such things in public again.
also, if I identify as a blackface person, I don't need her permission to wear blackface.
She will go away if she cannot win the discussion about black piet she told on camera...cant wait she is leaving
No, there are reasonable standards for offense. Example, a person who is incredibly short being called a "midget" in the negative is something most thinking not sub-human trash would agree is offensive.
Can you actually address any of my comments directed at you? Native pride is interesting, Being native is all the rave for you in the Netherlands, what is it to be native in Australia? I am sure you will have other arguments to make. It really does sometimes unintentionally support the theory that, its good to be white,
She sits there and freely interrupts like everyone is on the edge of their seats waiting to hear her speak.
Respect is earned, not demanded. I respect Douglas but not Sylvana.
Exactly!
It is here where we have to be careful with these people, they are changing, without the majority of society realizing it, the meaning and the usage of words and traditions.
If we are use using their words and definitions, believing that we know the meaning of them, we are on their battleground, and we will lose that fight, because after the new meaning of a word, our arguments seem weak, always be aware of that, whatever you do, don't attack their ideas first, but the changes they make to the language, only then can we have a say in what the battleground looks like.
A good example of this is
Decency and Respect are interchangeable among these people, but Merriam-Webster says otherwise
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decent#synonyms
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/respect#other-words
@piranhaP Well you lost my respect with the word correction. Never heard the term. Both have to be earned in my opinion.
She isn't just left-wing. She is far-left. She is a fanatic.
She's anti-white above all else.
No that is left wing
And funded by Soros but she probably does not even realize that.
And what you are a far right?! You can you throw all the labels all you want it won’t stick on her. You on the other hand, loves labels so it will stick!
@@AlexJae30 That's exactly my point. If you in any way, shape or form oppose the left you are labeled as far-right or even a nazi. Like you just did in your preach about labeling.
If you are a fanatic using populist tactics to push a racist agenda the judgement won't be much harsher than just left-wing. It won't stick on her because people like you prevent so.
Courtesy is GIVEN. Respect is EARNED. Nobody owes it to anybody
Demanding a respect is astonishing.
That woman is pure inflated ego. She would actually be tolerable to listen to if she acted like an adult instead of an adolescent.
A narcissist with an iPad. The smirking, lip-pursing and check sucking!
The gay guy could do the same thing, but a typical effeminate gay guy!
Most adolescents in my family have more common sense.
She’s claiming that people of colour are out behind in Dutch society. Yet she made a killing as a veejay on TV. The irony.
@@AlexJae30 No more effeminate than your dad. 😁
Murray wins.
He never went woke. That’s why he will never go broke.
Get woke, go broke.
Ofcourse he wins. Who wouldn't win from a one celled organism like that twat. She is the biggest joke in Holland. It baffles me someone thought she was even remotely qualified to debate Douglas..
Can't believe Douglas lays out literally how wokeness is destructive only for her to go right ahead to tell us all exactly why Douglas is right.
I'm black and based of the discussion here I would rather live in a world based on Douglas' worldview.
Douglas Murray correct on this subject.
Calling Sylvana Simons a politician is like calling a 6 year old with a lemonade stand an entrepreneur.
by the very definition.
That doesn't seem fair to the child... this woman is insane.
I don't know about you, but I have seen some downright impressive ideas on display at lemonade stands!
@@codychickadee5095 Right? I would say the 6 year old is better suited for business than Sylvana is for politics. In fact women like this should be kept as far away from actual policy or legislation as possible!
YanAbaus politicians are all cunts
She's a living example of why non-European migration into Europe is a terrible idea. Everything she says proves the point.
Just her. My Nan was an Indian in the British army during WW2. She loved the UK till the day she died. I served alongside the Gurkhas in a different regiment, they all loved the UK and are very good people. It’s culture. And it’s a lack of loving British culture. Islam is the biggest threat.
This person is few and far between. They’re the weak who have been given a loud speaker by the elite. I’m mixed race, I served the UK. I love England and it’s culture.please don’t lump me in or my Nan in with these idiots.
You can not argue with a person that lacks understanding of general semantics and using identity politics as arguments. look at the US, The indians, are the, most successful immigrants haha.
dude, she says "burning cars" is covered by freedom of speech. she is talking shit. its not even debatable.
@@rooroo8767 The Left pushed/pushes so hard it's become "throw the baby out with the bathwater".. The one problem of course there are documents stating that those in charge wish Western countries in their 1950's make-up as such need to disappear for good.
Chris Poole I suppose that may be true about the higher ups. But that shouldn’t detract my original point.
Though saying that I understand the progress trap the west is in. It is entirely cultural. Too much too soon is detrimental. Especially in a democracy. I would force a dedication of immigrants to serve in public sector and serve with the armed forces and if they commit even a parking offence - kick them out.
I, like my grandparents, are dedicated to preserving and enforcing British rule, culture and advancement on a world platform. I’m a nationalist. I don’t think we should let anyone in that would hold ill intent towards the empire. Saying that, I believe we should hold those of a different race close as we the willing helped facilitate the empires reign on the world platform.
Yes, the Anglo Saxon whites succeeded in the conquest, no doubt, but what was great about it was they gave back so much and attempted to incorporate the conquered into their laws, culture and dynasty. All I’m saying is as free thinking democratic people - we should not oppose that. I say this as a mixed race white/Asian lover, nationalist and upholder of British values.
Not that my race, or lack of, should have anything to do with my values, imo.
What has climbing up chimneys and getting covered in dirt got to do with this?
He’s so thought provoking.😊
He should have turned to her and said, "I am a black woman". I identify as the blackest woman ever don't tell me anything about being a black woman".
Best comment ever!
@@robbas_krk1510 for sure!
So woke lol
That would be fun. Murray is not there to make sarcastic remarks, he always tries to keep the discussion serious.
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Douglas Murray is a class act.
such a thoughtful and respectful individual, makes me want to be a better person each time i hear him. 😊
douglas is a homosexual aswell
Sheepdogs. The references from Murray are hilarious.
One of the few people I would love to meet. He is simply brilliant.
She dresses like a teenager trying to fit in
@zzllup LoL, the designer comment. So sick of identity politics. The only thing modern Western culture has been guilty of has been being too permissive and lending an ear to these bigots anytime they reeeee about "racism". Blacks are incredibly racist. This woman is specifically fighting on behalf of her race. Why can't people see the clear bigotry here?
@@austntexan I couldn't count how many times I've had a racist black man or woman just straight up not return a hello face to face or an excuse me. They look at me like dirt in the area I live in. I don't understand how white people are ridiculed so badly for this when it's all I've, nearly, ever experienced. I can't even talk to the lady that runs the self check out at the Kroger, she damn near called the FBI (implying she gave me a hard time) for trying to buy beer; claiming I had a fake I.D. I had to embarrass her in front of her manager over her "disgust" with whatever I did, which was check out my groceries. I don't like to feel like a racist, but in my area, I just don't understand how to be kind to people who are so hateful on contact. But I would be the racist one
Real teen boys would be rather puked.. she is arrested in her pre-Cambrian 60's.
She has that smug woke look. They have no idea how their pretentiousness annoys everyone, especially when they have nothing of true intelligence to say.
I don't understand how "woke" even applies. Maybe if this was the 60's...but, its not.They just make stupid shit up to be all enraged about. They're nothing more than narcissistic, spoiled brats
@@disf5178 meaning of . Woke . Smarmy prat
She refrains from looking at him while he speaks, or when she speaks. No respect at all.
TheSeer101 everyone is dumber for having to listen to her
She doesn’t even believe other black ladies are equal to her yet whines like a bitch about equality
These bastards are Taking OVER the perverted, Liberal medias! We just laugh at them and continue to move on! They really don't want any of us! Locked and Loaded!
"I'm not talking about courtesy, I'm talking about respect" - no, lady, you're talking about courtesy. Respect isn't demanded, it's earned.
Clever. Articulate. Accurate. Brilliantly observed. CANCEL HIM!!!!!
She is lying and misleading with almost all her words
Gijs, my friend you’re falling into a dangerous trap that we on the right also get accused of by the left. She is not lying. But she IS wrong. Trust me when I tell you that she believes 100% of the shite that’s coming out of her mouth
@@AmirHussain-gl3yr That's true.. To bad she hasn't actually left the country by now, which she was claiming to do for over several years now.
Big Verg I agree she is spreading nonsense. But she’s not lying. Lying is when you do it purposely
@@AmirHussain-gl3yr she is lying though. she makes it out to be as though she is a champion for freedom of speech, but she conciously leaves out the fact that she wants to outlaw certain conduct and speech. she IS lying, AND saying nonsense.
Magnus what you explained makes perfect sense but she doesn’t see it like that. She doesn’t see the hypocrisy
She tries to sound smart but all she does is make a FOOL out of herself.
Ummm its ...out of 'ones self'
She is a great expert at presenting video clips
Most people sound stupid compared to Douglas to be fair.
David Parks To me that accent sounds incredibly fake as I know that’s not how she normally speaks English. She always pretends to be either American (mostly) or British, depending on the audience. Her futile attempts to come across as extremely intelligent are so pathetic. This woman has a huge identity crisis or at least an inferiority complex.
@@theatregoer I doubt she even graduated high school. She was doing modeling work and presenting video clips.......... so much for her intellectual skills.
This needs to continue... with additional panel members from additional countries. Knowledge breeds understanding. You are not required to agree to understand. Both guests had thought provoking statements & rebuttals. My knowledge was boosted in >30min. Good job!
She basically said you don't eat food you consume it. She is just vocally dancing around what she is saying (people should roll over) Douglas, never change
This video is depressing. There's not enough Douglas Murraaaaaay's in this world, and there's too many Sylvana Simon's.
An intellectual purge needs to haplen
She’s extremely arrogant. I don’t see the “dominant character” of her self-compliment. And she just regurgitates every grad school social science curriculum talking point.
she is arrogant because she has been pushed to the front by ignorant liberals that think they are infinitely better for pushing those of certain hues along in life....regardless of their thoughts, abilities to reason or being able to articulate anything....that is the ignorance of the liberal....they are ignorant people that have convinced only themselves that they are brilliant.....
‘Dominant character’ is pretty easy when you’re ‘diverse’ in a society that worships a false god such as ‘diversity’. Notice how she not living in whatever shithole her parent or grandparent came from with that supposed ‘dominant character’. Human garbage.
Why do these fascists like her always substitute the word “truth” for the word “opinion”.
@rross27 awesome, well written 👏 it’s like in 1984 when Orwell’s character is tortured until he not only says 2+2=5 but also believes it when he says it. I can see the west spiralling into a conflict just as in Western and Central Europe in the 1930’s because of foul communists/fascists like her. I heard a quote, ostensibly from Adolf himself; “control the fear and you control the masses”. And “respect” is not automatically owed to anyone as this ignorant woman so arrogantly puts forward. Courtesy is all you can expect, respect is earned. She does not have my respect.
@rross27 you just described CNN ... not interested in truth or resolving issues just agitation and or humiliation
Douglas makes very good points.
Who knew what was about to come on October 7th. He was so ahead of his time
Woke = Your mind being so open that your brain falls out
Seriously.
"If you tell me that what I do is offensive, tell me what I can do so I don't offend you. Thats what I'll do."
What if what their offended by is unreasonable? What if its really dumb? How about I'll think about it, before I do anything.
What if I'm playing plastic wardollies 40k and I'm enslaving someone's models. What? You gonna tell me thats wrong cause you don't like it? Well boohoo I stole his dollies.
@@JacksonHighlander - This comment offends me. You've been reported. Enjoy the Gulag.
@@JacksonHighlander - No, but seriously. These people are begging to get destroyed.
@Alex M - Being offended over little things when I was a child would brand you as a knob gobbler. Times have changed... I'm only 29.
Common decency is given freely, respect is earnt. Probably the main root of disagreement with her.
It's incredible how within a few sentences of even getting started she proceeded to speak for her entire country. This is the exact rhetoric that is being used to bulldoze logic all over the world. Lady you speak for yourself and only yourself 100% of the time.
No one likes her over here 😂
She said that her country’s version of Santa clause & his helpers were impersonating blackface, were being racist because they were covered in soot from going down the chimney. It has nothing to do with race!🤦🏿♀️
@@craigdawson1749 She muffled in the word `supposedly` but it wasn't very well articulated. Can you believe this woman used to be an MTV VJ speaking English like that? In present day she acts as the Dutch department of BLM which in The Netherlands is even more silly than it is in its country of origin and mostly comes down to them wanting money for free because of their skin tone.
A bit of history - Saint Nicholas is the catholic version of an ancient pagan midwinter rite of which many versions exist(ed) but they commonly are about the god Odin descending to Earth and leading an army of black creatures - ravens, death people, demons (you probably heard of Krampus) - to hunt children. The main change is that in the catholic version Saint Nicholas is not a boogie man but the protector of children who is keeping the demons on a leash. What makes the Dutch version stand out is that after the uprise in the 16th century catholic worship was banned by the new protestant government. The Saint Nicholas festivity prevailed behind closed doors and so transformed into a family feast that also found it's way to America where it got picked up by people that were eager to transform Christmas from a time of drinking and looting into something nicer. Saint Nicholas in Dutch is Sint Nicolaas, also pronounced as Sint Ni'Klaas or Sinterklaas and the latter phonetically transforms into English as Santa Claus. As freedom of speech became the norm two modernised versions of public Sinterklaas festivities rose: Dickens Christmas in Anglo-American territory and present day Sinterklaas in The Netherlands and Belgium and of course both feasts became the victim of their own success, first targetted by commerce and then by the media. Television required Black Pete to become brown which of course no viewer noticed until the introduction of colour TV and then it went haywire - stupid jokes, actors trying too hard by mimicking accents from immigrants and the seed was sown for people like Simons to start an endless stream of pointless accusations while posing as a victim. Of course with charlatans like this there is always only one winner, this woman managed to get herself elected into parliament and as such now receives three times the income of an average white guy.
The dangers of herd mentality, exemplified.
She likely talked with her girlfriends inside her limited social bubble, and they all agreed with her, (most of them out of fear of being excluded from the "club"), and that then becomes the agreement of the entire world in her mind. The quintessential definition of solipsism, basically.
But the facts are that this woman only speaks for a miniscule percentage of the whole population, and only an ever-increasingly radicalized femimarxism has provided her with a voice, with the clearly stated goal of creating further societal division.
In short: She's a tool on a platform built out of decades of deliberate social engineering, entirely focused on population reduction.
The Woke don’t appear to be able to hear any viewpoint but their own.
He was right saying courtesy...respect is earned, no one is entitled to it
I don't need to care about this woman's issues, or be imposed upon. Respect that first.
She's a professional victim, during the debate she asked " Why do we need your permission to be who we want to be " . My reply would have been " Why do I need your permission to think what I want to think".
Good point. The general problem with people like her is they feel things that offensive should be changed but only the things she or certain people find offensive. This has been the main problem the last 25 years or so. The point on small lies makes sense too. We keep lying for years politely and now have a big problem we can't deal with.
Exactly
My thoughts exactly. Total hypocrisy!
That is what this is all about @big cheese. You can be as polite and respectful as a saint, they want to control what you think. This is all about control. For example, have you ever used he or she when directly addressing that person? I haven't - I only use he or she when I am speaking about another person, usually when they are not even there. But to them, they are offended.....fuck right off.
Bingo
I think Black Piet was just Justin Trudeau during his visit to the Netherlands
😂😂😂
I laugh so hard when I found out about black Pete. The explanation makes perfect sense. You go down a chimney, you get covered in soot. I guess chimney sweeps are a racist characterature.
How Dare You!! Don't you know only Turdeau is allowed to wear black face....lol?
@A M I wish leftists would stop getting offended on my behalf.
@A M excuse the turn of phrase. Good point though.
Douglas is a brilliant human.
Sylvana says that we should, out of respect, address a person with however they want to be addressed. The problem with that is that sometimes the way people “identify” is offensive to other people’s beliefs.
"A lot of young women who look like me can't overcome what I've overcome because of my dominant character."
Narcissistic sociopath.
Staticks 18:11 notice how her face gets when she references herself as a role model
Footballer140 .... As a Narcissistic sociopath ??😉😉
Absolutely a narcissist. Im Dutch and cannot take her seriously.
Slade L. ... I’m sure she takes herself seriously 🤔🤔🤣🤣
Says the old woman looking like a frustrated old wench.
Japanese worker: I'm Gay
Other Japanese workers: And this has what to do with work?
I lived in Japan for 8 years and not once did I see any obvious same sex couples walking together. I spent a lot of time working and playing in the city of Osaka, a huge city of 20 milllion. That tells me it is far more hidden than in Australia. Yes you have lots of gay people on tv but that is a very different world to every day society.
@@Explorshon123 I live in Copenhagen which is a rather "open minded" city as far as I know, and I do not recall observing same sex couples walking together... ever, but that could be for a variety of very obvious and simple reasons: lots of people walk together as friends do, and do not give hands or an arm around, so how would you distinguish friends from couples? Also, same sex couples are in a rather small number comparing to everyone else, so chances get slimmer. And finally, it doesn't matter, people don't care... it's not like "in the ideal world, a street of people walking should look like such and such, and have a distribution of yadayadayada". If I see someone on the street... I don't care who they are, or where they come from, what they had for breakfast, or what they chose to do the night before.... I simply walk by and move along. On sunny days I may give them a smile just because it may make their day better, but whomever they are... I still don't care. So the only thing I believe you can observe or not, and is the only thing that matters, is the stories you hear, or if encounter a situation where someone clearly acted homophobic. Sorry for the long reply, just sharing my thoughts :) cheers!
it means he'll be the most tastefully dressed man in the whole office
@Mrs. Edna Welthorpe sorry to hear that :/ it can certainly be that I'm wrong, but from the people I know (mainly PT and DK)... I feel most people are nice at least to the extent of consciously respecting one another. In other words I don't know personally anyone I could really think of as "what a horrible person". Some will be more rude or emotionally clumsy or brute than others, others will have very different political mindsets and various cultural influences... but raw mal-intent... or a sense of actual superiority... I feel it's only something found in a minority of people who most likely have underlying psychological issues.
Nathan Ryan know what my employer, a municipal gov one, that will remain nameless, will be doing in the near future? Having us employees "participate " in open group public support of one of these woke and favoured and pandered and hyper protected groups. Whether it be a union funded picnic in public or wearing colored arm bands for a week or a combination of forced activities. It will be recorded and have consequences if I DON'T participate willingly. Interesting use of words there, "willingly". Im not allowed to even argue my case why I dont want to be forced into a costume that favours ONLY ONE SPECIFIC trend group that I dont belong to.
I could lose my job if I dont. We already went thru "sensitivity training" that had several examples of what discrimination is and how it isnt in our interests to cause it, firing or legal ramifications could follow . One example was "not offering an individual to join your group to go to a restaurant " for lunch, or not including someone in a group conversation. Then the other manners based examples like insulting or shunning someone else, cruelty of that sort. I have some decisions to make about holding to my personal beliefs, personal integrity, and personal actions coming up this yesr.
And no, if ALL PEOPLE are not going to be respected, publicly and EQUALLY "celebrated and supported" in one full encompassing act, instead "certain specific trending groups only" having my union dollars and tax dollars being spent on materials and activities I am forced to participate in, then I want none of it, and want to go to an employer that doesnt behave in such pandering ridiculous ways.
I will try not to let the years of service I put in and now accounting for nothing now, get me down
How does Douglas remain so calm in the wake utter stupidity 🙈
Yes!!!! He is right! He is completely RIGHT!!! I’m sick of these “Victims” crying!!!
The lady says 'we need respect', which I agree with. Everyone should have that (so long as they don't lose the right), but why do people from her perspective have zero respect for any opinion other than their own?
you can just see the hatred seeping out of her.
Absolutely. She is what a truly racially hateful supremacist looks and sounds like.
She married a rich white man, got dumped.. hit wall and became a mix between black panther larper eryka badu.
She has her own version of the truth, which is far worse than lying. Greetings from the Netherlands.
That's the way of the whole Left and the whole SJW movement and other factions of the Democrat Socialist movement (here in America). They want THEIR TRUTH...over & above FACTS. Joe Bye-Done, and one of those now famous moments of clarity, said it himself. He said they believe in TRUTH over FACTS. What he didn't say out loud was he meant HIS PARTY'S TRUTH over ACTUAL FACTS. INCLUDING scientific facts.
For eg allowing, and even encouraging CHILDREN to decide, at their tender age, whether they want to be a boy or a girl is really tantamount to child abuse.
Absolutely. The lie that Britain has always been diverse. Such a lie.. Monoculture for millenia until last 30 to 50 years
So, an opinion then? .
@@riancreamer6904 No, she twists facts around to make it fit for her, that is not an opinion.
Voorman! A brilliant summary. Agreed.
What the woman doesn't get is that respect is EARNED.
I don't "deserve" respect just bcs i am a man, same as a woman doesn't deserve respect just for being a woman.
What have u DONE to deserve respect? What accomplishments do u have that make u WORTHY of respect?
We should all be courteous to one another, but RESPECT is earned.
She's a very angry woman with an interiority complex, those eyes.
Someone call the minister of the interior.
Its the crazy eyes
I'd tap that.
That lady doesn't realize respect is a two way street.
Or that respect is earned, not given.
It's not necessarily a two way street. Respect is only given for moral actions and content of character. It is not automatic based on innate characteristics or simply existing, like this woman is suggesting. Criminals don't deserve respect. Jerks don't deserve respect. People who do bad things don't deserve respect.
The entire "everyone deserves respect" notion is a precursor for "everyone deserves stuff", i.e. socialism or communism.
@@phamnuwen9442 "Criminals don't deserves respect." Well that depends entirely on perspective. If someone carries off an amazing bank heist and gets away with it without harming anyone, sure, they are thieves and should be shunned as such. BUT. One would have to respect their planning and execution. Likewise, one of the guys who stopped the London Bridge stabber was previously a convicted murderer. But he did something truly heroic after the fact. Does he not deserve respect in regards to those actions? I agree with what you are saying mostly, but respect - given or received - is not so black and white.
Notice how Silvana interrupted Douglas. This is something she does regularly.
Do you? Does not sound like it.
She's wrong. Courtesy is given. Respect is earned. Anything given has no value- so if you give away respect for free it becomes meaningless.
What she is saying basically boils down to : “you respect them by using the words/terms that they want, and they respect you by telling what words/terms you need to use”. That’s seriously the implication of what she’s saying