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Jared Polin I don't know where to reply to your question in the dailyfro ep 109. But you asked what did you do that made people stop listening to rawtalk. Me personally when I found out about you I went back and caught up on ALL the rawtalks up to date till about December or so. When I began to tune out of your show is when you began dailyfro, it gave me a bad vibe, like your too into yourself and just like hearing yourself talk. Its quiet lonely rambly you go on about stuff you've already said a bunch of times. I use to look forward to rawtalk and was happy when it came out but when you began spamming my podcast feed with stuff that could've waited till the next rawtalk I began to lose interest. Immediately began deleting all dailyfros without downloading them and only downloaded rawtalks until I didnt want to distinguish between them and let go of rawtalk too. Happy I listened to ep 109 to see if anything had changed yet, but no, still short boring lonely and slow without much substance. But your numbers are the ones that matter and you will do as you want.
I mean, that's what I buy lenses for: snuffling all over them. Why'd YOU come here? To see some sort of video where the question in the title is directly addressed with actual tests or scrutiny?
Yes, a bit of 'vignetting' (subtle darkening around the edges and sides of the frame) can 'hold' your eye in the middle of the picture area, where your subject is most likely to be. Vignetting is most common at wide open apertures/f-stops (such as f/1.2, f/1.4, f/2) but it gradually recedes as you close down the aperture (f/5.6, f/8, etc). I don't mind a bit of vignetting, myself.
As stated previously by others : 1) It's not a comparison if you don't actually compare it to the 1.2. The "on paper" thing is not enough. 2) You give some good reasons for picking the 1.4 (AF, IS, video, etc...) but in the end, it depends on your use of the lens. Your argument is one sided. Why not talk about that particular look that the Canon's 1.2 (50mm and 85) have, a look you can't replicate, as a lot of photographers will tell you ? 3) You give your reasons for picking the 1.4 (lighter, less expensive, more versatile), but the difference in weight is negligeable, and when you're ready to pay 1600 dollars for a lens, you're ready to pay the extra 250 if you want the other one. So you're left with versatility, which is good, but that's about it (you could use a 70-200mm f/2.8 IS if you're after versatility). Overall, I'm sorry but this video hasn't been helping me at all. Hopefully, there are other ones who give a more balanced advice, and who provide pictures for comparison. Just my 2 cents though ;)
Good points, I have the EF 85mm 1.2 and it's my favourite lens and focal length of all time. It's not always easy to nail focus but when it works it produces the best rendered images in the world. I mostly use it at 1.8, that unique look stays the same and is what it's about for me. This lens reminds me of classic Hollywood. I bought the EF 85mm 1.4 IS last year. Not to replace my 1.2 but to have an extra lens of my favourite focal length for situations that require the IS, etc. The lens works very well, but the look and rendering of the images have by no means that special quality of the EF 1.2 version. They look much more generic. Nothing special. So I sold this lens a few months ago and bought the RF 85mm 1.2 as my second lens for situations that require the IS. I use it on an R6 with in body stabilization. Even though the RF 85 1.2 produces great images in its own right (much better than the EF 1.4 IS), and is much more trustworthy than the EF 85 1.2, it still can not live up to the unique look, rendering and image quality of the EF 85mm 1.2. So I am glad to have both.
@@mariavanschie7946 The Canon FD 85mm f1.2 renders even more beautifully. But when it comes to portraits, I still prefer my EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III. At 200mm f/2.8 it gives me the same bokeh as the 85mm f1.2. Since at f2.8 I have even more sharpness with the same background blur as f/1.2.
@@mariavanschie7946 I just bought a EF1.2 to use with my R6. I bought it before doing any comparisons with the RF version as I was never going to drop that kind of money on a lens I use infrequently. However, having realised the EF wide open is pretty soft and also suffers from CA I'm wondering if I made the right choice but on the other hand, the EF shots have a pretty unique look to them! In what circumstances do you reach for the EF over the RF?
There's a big difference between 1.2 and 1.4 in bokeh. Kai W uploaded video where he compared bokeh of these two lenses wide open. In terms of AF, resolution and IS as a bonus (but not really needed for photos) - 1.4 is better of course. But 1.2 is 1.2 :)
If you shoot the 1.2 lens at 1.4 or even 2, your images will be much sharper than shooting the 1.4 at 1.4. This guy’s video review was not that great in my opinion.
There is a difference. But also having 50 1.2 and 85 1.2 gives Canon 'the bragging rights" over Nikon and/or Sony. Because Nikon at one point stated that it is physically impossible to do a 50 1.2 with AF due to limitation of F mount. So Canon will always have the 1.2s because it gives Canon bragging rights that they are the only ones from the big DSLR makers that make full frame 1.2 (Not talking about Leica or mirrorless companies that also make 1.2)
I understand where this is coming from though I don't agree, these are two different lenses for different jobs.1.4 for video and faster moving subjects and for overall sharpness. the 1.2 gives a more dreamlike quality to it and if you have the time for the focus its an awesome lens.
Nice review and the lens looks super sharp. Just one tiny point, f/1.0 to f/1.4 is a full stop, f/1.2 is only half a stop faster than f/1.4. Your handheld attempt at 1/10th sec exposure without IS was pretty good.
@7:17 Fro said it was a full stop difference, but it is not. f1.2 is between f1 and f1.4 (full stop), and by convention is referenced as both 1/2, 1/3 stop from f1.4. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-number
I work with 85 1.2 a lot and I agree to refocus from closest point to further point takes a lot of time. But, once I have focus on my subject the AI Servo is holding focus like crazy. Its fast and precise. Same for dual pixel AF. And when someone have a problem to make a single photo sharp the problem is at 1.2 is focus depth so narrow, so first people have to understand to focus and recompose is absolutely bad idea. You have to set the exact focus point and stick with continuous focusing. For me even the corner points are holding focus well.
How about the 85 1.2 paired with an EOS R? I feel like the advanced focusing qualities of the R would compensate well for the 1.2's lack of IS (though yes no IBIS like the R5/R6/R3/etc)...Saw a 1.2 secondhand nearby me the other day for €720 and I'm feeling mighty tempted to not eat this week haha.
I know I'm late, but I owned the 1.2 II with an RP and yes, it's amazing. Slow to focus as the nature of the 1.2. But the colors, the "look" it has are just amazing
1.2 II is very sharp wide open, but also can lighten shadows, smooth the skin, and add a nice soft focus and glow to the subject. 1.4 L IS is sharper, but it doesn't do any of those things stated above. If you're gonna shoot anything but portaits with the 85, sure the 1.4 L IS is better, but 1.2 is better for portraits. Plus, I never thought IS on the 1.2 was necessary. The lens and body is heavy and I don't have problems holding it steady for photos or video. The autofocus is accurate on the 1.2 and maybe for fidgety kids it would be nice, but there are better lenses for kids and sports such as the 70-200 2.8 IS II. With that said, the hood kinda looks ridiculous and you must absolutely use it outdoors as the glare will kill your shots.
I own the 85mm f1.2L I love it to death and it's my favorite lens for portrait photography but man I wish it had IS like the new f1.4L. I don't think it's worth upgrading to for current owners but for those in the market for a tasty 85mm L lens then the f1.4L with it's slightly cheaper price tag may be the best option especially for the IS motor. I will say this there is a visual difference between the f1.2L vs. the f1.4L when wide open. The bokeh is different and only those who shoot with these lenses will notice. Does it matter? Not really :)
You notice a huge difference between 1.2 and 1.4. So much so that anyone who's done it knows you can't shoot the 1.2 wide open for portraits or you just get the eye in focus.
Great video as always, Jared. I'm thinking of getting an 85mm prime but am really confused between the EF 85mm f/1.8 USM (for how affordable it is but doesn't have IS and is pretty old) vs the 85mm f/1.4L iS (perfect for my intended use - portraits but is out of budget for me). Any help?
Thanks for the video! I have the 85mm 1.2 and the lack of IS is a real problem for me as I sometimes film videos and take pictures of families with kids that are always on the move ^^ I'm gonna trade mine for a 1.4, I just hope I won't regret the bokeh!
The lack of head to head comparison of image quality is the big issue with this vid. I have the 1.2II and purchased it for under $1000 after Canon announced the new 1.4. It is an amazing lens. I am a wedding tog and use it quite a bit during the day. The slow focus is really only pronounced during close focus to infinity. I can’t say that I have missed a shot that I needed and not many overall. I have though, missed many more shots with the Sigma 85 Art that is sharper and faster but terribly inconsistent which is why I dont use third party gear.
The magic colors with 85mm f1.2L II could not be achieved by any lens I tried most manufactures high end 85mm lens but non of them gave me the color rendition of the canon ,this 1.4 is not replacement it is sharper than 1.2 but the colors and contrast looks different
Yes, totally agree. I tried the sigma 85 art and 135 art, both lenses sure have more sharpness and contrast than 85 f1.2 L II, but they are too much sharp for my portrait. I prefer softness of the canon 85 f1.2 L II with its unique f1.2 dreamy bokeh, i got an used lens code UD around 1000usd, no more complaint so far except little low af, not circular bokeh at f1.2, anything else is fine :D
SenseiTube yeah, it could be. I dont get focus breathing, but it is slower to initiate a focus change than my 85 1.2 by about 2 full seconds. I changed settings by the smallest amount possible (+1). It then just instantly changes and looks highly robotic, even with more smoothness added. The lens has also been calibrated professionally; does it regardless of calibration settings.
I truly find it difficult to care for glass this wide. I think f2 is going to blur the hell out of anything while being a good bit more forgiving with regard to focus.
Thanks for another excellent FYI video. Just one question though. I noticed your high shutter speeds on some of the images. Are you shooting in AV mode or manual mode? Thanks and keep up the good work
Just in case 'fro is too busy to answer, he's a manual-mode shooter all the way. (And of course, his shutter speeds have to be high in this review because he's shooting at such a wide f-stop).
I really want this lens but I’m shooting with the 90D crop body so obviously i have to take the crop factor into account. Would it make more sense for my to get the 35mm f/1.4 II USM (no IS) instead? I’m looking for a portrait lens to give me that 85mm pop
Hello Jared, I watch your RUclips videos regularly and they are awesome. I have a quick question for you. Can you please suggest me a value for money wide angle lense for Nikon D7200? Thanks in advance and cheers
D G manual focus wasn’t terrible on it, can’t actually fully remember what it’s like to focus as it’s been quite a while since I last used it now I’ve moved over to fuji
Great vid, Jared! I have and have used both and as many say, one doesn’t really replace the other, but imho the 85 1.2 (whose bokeh is a bit better) would be best for studio shots on a tripod due its slow autofocus. I would use the 85 1.4 with a modeling shoot, or, as you suggested, weddings.
Save some weight here and there, if you've ever shot at an all day event saving weight where ever you can really will be noticable at the end of the day.
I have this lens, I noticed when IS is on, I heard a soft “click” sound in the lens when half press the shutter, and there is an another sound after release the shutter button, do you have the same issue?
GoldenSupra :D Thank you so much the thing is I love both cameras but i really love the weather sealing, headphone jack and battery life if the Nikon . The rest is canon all the way . So your advice.
Travel and adventure photographer from England here. (Currently studying at uni). I've sent you my favourite 10 shots. It'd be an honour if you could get round to critiquing them. 👌
The ability to make your business more organized and due to a claim, you would love an organized system that makes for smoother sailing between you and the Insurance company..Sure! I love the idea of being organized on a 26 inch screen. :)
Absolutely...considering its free currently, just how much could it cost? It has great value in many aspects and I don't use a phone to catalog my equipment. Thank you for asking!
I've used the canon 1.2 - slow and inaccurate but lovely when nailed right. Sigma Art - sharp, accurate but just too big. Canon 1.4 - accurate, sharp, good weight and has IS. Winner. However I didn't buy any of them, I bought the sigma 85 1.4 ex dg hsm for $400 and it's brilliant. Check out my review of it on my channel.
The new 1.4 is better in everyway over the 1.2 except where it counts....image quality. You just can't beat a 1.2 and it don't care nothing about IS, weather sealing, etc. Technically better, yes. But can it give you the look of a 1.2....no way.
Well, this depends a lot on how big that aperture is PHYSICALLY. f/22 on a wide angle lens will be essentially a pinhole while large lenses can go to f/32 and still look sharper because the aperture is still physically larger. Don't forget what F means - Focal Length! F/22 on a 600mm lens produces a 27mm opening while on a 50mm lens this is essentially f/1.8 at the same 27mm aperture diameter. In conclusion - diffraction depends on the lens in question. Longer lenses don't give a crap as much.
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Jared Polin I don't know where to reply to your question in the dailyfro ep 109. But you asked what did you do that made people stop listening to rawtalk. Me personally when I found out about you I went back and caught up on ALL the rawtalks up to date till about December or so. When I began to tune out of your show is when you began dailyfro, it gave me a bad vibe, like your too into yourself and just like hearing yourself talk. Its quiet lonely rambly you go on about stuff you've already said a bunch of times. I use to look forward to rawtalk and was happy when it came out but when you began spamming my podcast feed with stuff that could've waited till the next rawtalk I began to lose interest. Immediately began deleting all dailyfros without downloading them and only downloaded rawtalks until I didnt want to distinguish between them and let go of rawtalk too. Happy I listened to ep 109 to see if anything had changed yet, but no, still short boring lonely and slow without much substance. But your numbers are the ones that matter and you will do as you want.
So no comparison shots with the f1.2. Maybe it would be more useful that sniffing or breathing on the lens. I may be wrong.
I mean, that's what I buy lenses for: snuffling all over them.
Why'd YOU come here? To see some sort of video where the question in the title is directly addressed with actual tests or scrutiny?
How dare you insult the sniff test and wind tunnel test
Yes, a bit of 'vignetting' (subtle darkening around the edges and sides of the frame) can 'hold' your eye in the middle of the picture area, where your subject is most likely to be. Vignetting is most common at wide open apertures/f-stops (such as f/1.2, f/1.4, f/2) but it gradually recedes as you close down the aperture (f/5.6, f/8, etc). I don't mind a bit of vignetting, myself.
'I don't think they are gonna ever come out with another 1.2 lens' Jared Polin 2018. Canon 2019 50 1.2 and 85 1.2, 85 1.2 DS
Those 85s are RF though. Would love to see a 85 EF 1.4 vs either 85 RFs review in 2021 though. If it already exists please share!
As stated previously by others : 1) It's not a comparison if you don't actually compare it to the 1.2. The "on paper" thing is not enough. 2) You give some good reasons for picking the 1.4 (AF, IS, video, etc...) but in the end, it depends on your use of the lens. Your argument is one sided. Why not talk about that particular look that the Canon's 1.2 (50mm and 85) have, a look you can't replicate, as a lot of photographers will tell you ? 3) You give your reasons for picking the 1.4 (lighter, less expensive, more versatile), but the difference in weight is negligeable, and when you're ready to pay 1600 dollars for a lens, you're ready to pay the extra 250 if you want the other one. So you're left with versatility, which is good, but that's about it (you could use a 70-200mm f/2.8 IS if you're after versatility). Overall, I'm sorry but this video hasn't been helping me at all. Hopefully, there are other ones who give a more balanced advice, and who provide pictures for comparison. Just my 2 cents though ;)
Good points, I have the EF 85mm 1.2 and it's my favourite lens and focal length of all time. It's not always easy to nail focus but when it works it produces the best rendered images in the world. I mostly use it at 1.8, that unique look stays the same and is what it's about for me. This lens reminds me of classic Hollywood. I bought the EF 85mm 1.4 IS last year. Not to replace my 1.2 but to have an extra lens of my favourite focal length for situations that require the IS, etc. The lens works very well, but the look and rendering of the images have by no means that special quality of the EF 1.2 version. They look much more generic. Nothing special. So I sold this lens a few months ago and bought the RF 85mm 1.2 as my second lens for situations that require the IS. I use it on an R6 with in body stabilization. Even though the RF 85 1.2 produces great images in its own right (much better than the EF 1.4 IS), and is much more trustworthy than the EF 85 1.2, it still can not live up to the unique look, rendering and image quality of the EF 85mm 1.2. So I am glad to have both.
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The Canon FD 85mm f1.2 renders even more beautifully. But when it comes to portraits, I still prefer my EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III. At 200mm f/2.8 it gives me the same bokeh as the 85mm f1.2. Since at f2.8 I have even more sharpness with the same background blur as f/1.2.
@@mariavanschie7946 I just bought a EF1.2 to use with my R6. I bought it before doing any comparisons with the RF version as I was never going to drop that kind of money on a lens I use infrequently. However, having realised the EF wide open is pretty soft and also suffers from CA I'm wondering if I made the right choice but on the other hand, the EF shots have a pretty unique look to them! In what circumstances do you reach for the EF over the RF?
I've had my 85mm 1.2 for 10 years, and have shot thousands of images with it. I'm not going to divorce it!
There's a big difference between 1.2 and 1.4 in bokeh. Kai W uploaded video where he compared bokeh of these two lenses wide open. In terms of AF, resolution and IS as a bonus (but not really needed for photos) - 1.4 is better of course. But 1.2 is 1.2 :)
If you shoot the 1.2 lens at 1.4 or even 2, your images will be much sharper than shooting the 1.4 at 1.4. This guy’s video review was not that great in my opinion.
I 'upgraded' my 85 f1.2 to this f1.4 . Very happy with the results!
я тоже. 1.2 + 5dm3/4 для лайфстайла, а 1.4 для 5dsr и импульсного света.
There is a difference. But also having 50 1.2 and 85 1.2 gives Canon 'the bragging rights" over Nikon and/or Sony. Because Nikon at one point stated that it is physically impossible to do a 50 1.2 with AF due to limitation of F mount. So Canon will always have the 1.2s because it gives Canon bragging rights that they are the only ones from the big DSLR makers that make full frame 1.2 (Not talking about Leica or mirrorless companies that also make 1.2)
I understand where this is coming from though I don't agree, these are two different lenses for different jobs.1.4 for video and faster moving subjects and for overall sharpness. the 1.2 gives a more dreamlike quality to it and if you have the time for the focus its an awesome lens.
Nice review and the lens looks super sharp. Just one tiny point, f/1.0 to f/1.4 is a full stop, f/1.2 is only half a stop faster than f/1.4.
Your handheld attempt at 1/10th sec exposure without IS was pretty good.
On Canon cameras it may even be just a third of a stop, as it's just one click from 1.2 to 1.4.
@7:17 Fro said it was a full stop difference, but it is not. f1.2 is between f1 and f1.4 (full stop), and by convention is referenced as both 1/2, 1/3 stop from f1.4. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-number
I work with 85 1.2 a lot and I agree to refocus from closest point to further point takes a lot of time. But, once I have focus on my subject the AI Servo is holding focus like crazy. Its fast and precise. Same for dual pixel AF. And when someone have a problem to make a single photo sharp the problem is at 1.2 is focus depth so narrow, so first people have to understand to focus and recompose is absolutely bad idea. You have to set the exact focus point and stick with continuous focusing. For me even the corner points are holding focus well.
yup, when people shoot at 1.2 they think it's not sharp when it's just freaking 1.2
I bought this lens a few months back,I'm really impressed.
I'm getting it today! I shot some test shots the other day & the images are great!
I have the 85 f1.2 and its amazing. I tried the 85 f1.4 IS and i like the 85 f1.2 more. Its bokeh is much better.
At this point the faster focusing, IS and video capabilities makes this a more viable lens in my opinion.
I agree I have the 1.2 and it just renders that much better otherwise I would love the IS and snappier focus . . .
Jared Polin For photo and video yes. But for only photo i like the f1.2 more. But its true that the focusing speed is really slow.
Yea I like the 1.2 rendering better.
The f1.2 is in a league of its own. I can easily tell the difference.
awesome review. especially the very final. You cured me from 1.2 into direction of 1.4.... thank you
Buy the ATG/Samyang EF85/1.4.
If you are new or don't need to see focus index, feet/meter window, but it over Canon/Sigma.
How about the 85 1.2 paired with an EOS R? I feel like the advanced focusing qualities of the R would compensate well for the 1.2's lack of IS (though yes no IBIS like the R5/R6/R3/etc)...Saw a 1.2 secondhand nearby me the other day for €720 and I'm feeling mighty tempted to not eat this week haha.
I know I'm late, but I owned the 1.2 II with an RP and yes, it's amazing. Slow to focus as the nature of the 1.2. But the colors, the "look" it has are just amazing
1.2 II is very sharp wide open, but also can lighten shadows, smooth the skin, and add a nice soft focus and glow to the subject. 1.4 L IS is sharper, but it doesn't do any of those things stated above. If you're gonna shoot anything but portaits with the 85, sure the 1.4 L IS is better, but 1.2 is better for portraits. Plus, I never thought IS on the 1.2 was necessary. The lens and body is heavy and I don't have problems holding it steady for photos or video. The autofocus is accurate on the 1.2 and maybe for fidgety kids it would be nice, but there are better lenses for kids and sports such as the 70-200 2.8 IS II. With that said, the hood kinda looks ridiculous and you must absolutely use it outdoors as the glare will kill your shots.
IS was never necessary, but it's a great help.
I paid 800$ for used Canon 85 1.2 II and its 50x better than my S20 ultra so worth it 👍🏻
Thanks Jared.. you've just sold me on my next lens!! Great videos as always
Been waiting a while for you to do a video for this lense!!!🙏🏾👍🏾
I own the 85mm f1.2L I love it to death and it's my favorite lens for portrait photography but man I wish it had IS like the new f1.4L. I don't think it's worth upgrading to for current owners but for those in the market for a tasty 85mm L lens then the f1.4L with it's slightly cheaper price tag may be the best option especially for the IS motor.
I will say this there is a visual difference between the f1.2L vs. the f1.4L when wide open. The bokeh is different and only those who shoot with these lenses will notice. Does it matter? Not really :)
You notice a huge difference between 1.2 and 1.4. So much so that anyone who's done it knows you can't shoot the 1.2 wide open for portraits or you just get the eye in focus.
Actually a very good insight on this lens. Thanks Jared keep it coming.
Thanks for the review. I saw your video during the week and I got the lens yesterday. Super sharp on my canon 5dmk3
love the "wind tunnel test"
seanyam71 I am glad that YT has a fast forward function.
Turn the IS *_OFF_* when transporting your gear! Having those moveable lens elements bumping around all day long is *_not_* good for a lens!
Great video as always, Jared.
I'm thinking of getting an 85mm prime but am really confused between the EF 85mm f/1.8 USM (for how affordable it is but doesn't have IS and is pretty old) vs the 85mm f/1.4L iS (perfect for my intended use - portraits but is out of budget for me). Any help?
Thanks for the video! I have the 85mm 1.2 and the lack of IS is a real problem for me as I sometimes film videos and take pictures of families with kids that are always on the move ^^ I'm gonna trade mine for a 1.4, I just hope I won't regret the bokeh!
Finally did you regret the bokeh of 1.4?
Was seriously considering this. Then the failed wind tunnel test. Will keep my $$$. Great review.
Just got mine Canon 85 1.4 IS today, super excited 😃😃😃😃
Sergey Zavgorodniy congrats!!!!
which is better for video... this 85mm 1.4 or 70-200 2.8 III ???????
obvious conclusion is hoping for same treatment of 50 as a 1.4 IS with faster focusing, etc. to rival the 50 1.2
The lack of head to head comparison of image quality is the big issue with this vid. I have the 1.2II and purchased it for under $1000 after Canon announced the new 1.4. It is an amazing lens. I am a wedding tog and use it quite a bit during the day. The slow focus is really only pronounced during close focus to infinity. I can’t say that I have missed a shot that I needed and not many overall. I have though, missed many more shots with the Sigma 85 Art that is sharper and faster but terribly inconsistent which is why I dont use third party gear.
I came here for the sniff and wind tunnel test. I really like how arrow dynamic this lens is... but the smell is to hard to handle.
The EastMan air-rowe dienamik*
Bro, can you please suggest one top best lense for portrait photography and candid videography.?
This and the 5DSR = Dream for Wedding and Porträt
I too would go with the 85 1.4.. although.. I did buy the Tamron 90mm macro but it's a 2.8
The magic colors with 85mm f1.2L II could not be achieved by any lens I tried most manufactures high end 85mm lens but non of them gave me the color rendition of the canon ,this 1.4 is not replacement it is sharper than 1.2 but the colors and contrast looks different
says everyone who paid the extra $ for the 1.2 ;-P
Hahaha ok sure it's a magical lens.
Is it better than sigma ?!
Yes, totally agree. I tried the sigma 85 art and 135 art, both lenses sure have more sharpness and contrast than 85 f1.2 L II, but they are too much sharp for my portrait. I prefer softness of the canon 85 f1.2 L II with its unique f1.2 dreamy bokeh, i got an used lens code UD around 1000usd, no more complaint so far except little low af, not circular bokeh at f1.2, anything else is fine :D
Yes.
The new 1.4 is good, but its autofocus is weird in video. Changes focus slow, then jumps fast (even adjusting settings on 1DX)
You might have a defect. The AF on the lens is actually very good for video and it has almost no focus breathing.
SenseiTube yeah, it could be. I dont get focus breathing, but it is slower to initiate a focus change than my 85 1.2 by about 2 full seconds. I changed settings by the smallest amount possible (+1). It then just instantly changes and looks highly robotic, even with more smoothness added. The lens has also been calibrated professionally; does it regardless of calibration settings.
TJ Israelsen You should send the lens in for warranty checking / fixing. That sounds like a defected usm motor or something along those lines.
f/1.2 to f/1.4 is not a stop difference, it is just 1/3 of a stop.
i want a nice portrait lens. should i get this 85mm or should i get the 135 f/2L ?
I truly find it difficult to care for glass this wide. I think f2 is going to blur the hell out of anything while being a good bit more forgiving with regard to focus.
Looking for a Lens for Shoe reviews... I am using a 10-18 mm at the moment but I am not liking the footage that much.. Any recommendations? Thanks!
Thanks for another excellent FYI video. Just one question though. I noticed your high shutter speeds on some of the images. Are you shooting in AV mode or manual mode? Thanks and keep up the good work
Just in case 'fro is too busy to answer, he's a manual-mode shooter all the way. (And of course, his shutter speeds have to be high in this review because he's shooting at such a wide f-stop).
I am thinking of switching to Canon from nikon...... I love the canon camera and lens reviews frobro!
Not enough to switch but i was tempted. Been shooting with the 1.2L for a very long time...i love it too much 🤷🏻♂️
Isnt it half stop from f/1.4 to f/1.2? one full stop would be from f/1.4 to f/1
Thanks for the review. Helpful as always.
Whats your Choice? 85 1.4L or 100 2.8L Macro??
I really want this lens but I’m shooting with the 90D crop body so obviously i have to take the crop factor into account. Would it make more sense for my to get the 35mm f/1.4 II USM (no IS) instead? I’m looking for a portrait lens to give me that 85mm pop
Does the IS stack with ibis to make this much better for video over the 1.2?
Honestly, I would rather use the superb Tokina ATX pro 100mm f2.8 it's outstanding and does 1:1 macro too!
thank you! most helpful video
Hello Jared, I watch your RUclips videos regularly and they are awesome. I have a quick question for you. Can you please suggest me a value for money wide angle lense for Nikon D7200?
Thanks in advance and cheers
Funny how nobody mentions the mirror box clipping on the 85 f/1.2 while the f/1.4 doesn't have that issue.
PIXELFLUX I find it even funnier that anyone cares.
@@nostalium I find it funny that butterflies are not called flutterbyes.
Smaakjeks K I find it even funnier that they're not called futterblies.
I’m looking forward to getting the Zeiss 85 planar classic.
you can get the 1.2L ii refurbished from canon for the same price as a new 1.4. What would you suggest?
How is comparable this Canon lens against of the sigma 85 f/1.4 especially for videos
Might want to swap my sigma 1.4 ART. it’s amazing but super heavy too.
Did you get the chance to compare it to the Sigma 85mm Art?
Perfect clarification. Thanks
Thoughts on how it compares to a Sony 85 1.4 GM?
Do you have a comparison between it and the Sigma 85mm 1.4 Art?
I just got this lens and I love it!
This or the Zeiss? Yes I know the Zeiss is only manual focus.
Did you buy a new Canon and which model did you use.
According to the EXIF data of the first sample I checked, he used a Canon 6D Mk2. He's been using that camera for the vlogs he does on occasion.
If you want sharp photos then you need to understand what SHUTTER SPEED refers to FOCUSING and so on
Would you use it with the Canon EOS R6?
It’s amazing on the R6!
Love this lens, I own it and I find if I turn off the AF while the camera is still on I don’t get that internal bouncing, ice in a cup feeling.
I love the 1.2, it's a classic lens but my god is it sooo damn slow to focus
D G manual focus wasn’t terrible on it, can’t actually fully remember what it’s like to focus as it’s been quite a while since I last used it now I’ve moved over to fuji
Great vid, Jared! I have and have used both and as many say, one doesn’t really replace the other, but imho the 85 1.2 (whose bokeh is a bit better) would be best for studio shots on a tripod due its slow autofocus. I would use the 85 1.4 with a modeling shoot, or, as you suggested, weddings.
thank your video is very instructing
I love these tests
Awsome prizes, have you heard anything about the fujifilm X-T100? Just wondering :-)
Much Lighter. 75g. Ahah
Save some weight here and there, if you've ever shot at an all day event saving weight where ever you can really will be noticable at the end of the day.
I shot more than a single all day event and well... 75g are nothing.
Yeah, noticed that. 75g is much lighter? Bias much? Or just a case of Fro not knowing math.
I've been waiting for this for years.
kinda the things Canon do to pull you back.
I chose the 85 f/1.4 over the f/1.2 simply because the bokeh at 1.2 has the mirror-box clipping.
i think the wind tunnel test was the major point of this review.
Someone sells 85 mm 1.2 only $900 is this worth to buy?
I have this lens, I noticed when IS is on, I heard a soft “click” sound in the lens when half press the shutter, and there is an another sound after release the shutter button, do you have the same issue?
Can this lens use with teleconverter?
Jared Polin please help me decide between the Nikon d7200 and the canon eos 77d .
nisha c D7200 for photo but If you're doing video and photo then get the 77D
GoldenSupra :D Thank you so much the thing is I love both cameras but i really love the weather sealing, headphone jack and battery life if the Nikon . The rest is canon all the way . So your advice.
Travel and adventure photographer from England here. (Currently studying at uni). I've sent you my favourite 10 shots. It'd be an honour if you could get round to critiquing them. 👌
Hard to consider this against the 1.2 when you don't show any 1.2 photos to tell the difference.
..Joe
I sure would enjoy "My Gear Vault" for my PC at home!
but would you pay extra for that?
The ability to make your business more organized and due to a claim, you would love an organized system that makes for smoother sailing between you and the Insurance company..Sure! I love the idea of being organized on a 26 inch screen. :)
Absolutely...considering its free currently, just how much could it cost? It has great value in many aspects and I don't use a phone to catalog my equipment. Thank you for asking!
Sniff and Wind Tunnel...GOT TO GO lol
Wind Tunnel Test Always The best thing"
How does it work on the Sony A7III with a sigma MC 11
What we really want is an f0 lens. Just bokeh, no sharpness.
Just shoot everything out of focus. Problem solved.
I've used the canon 1.2 - slow and inaccurate but lovely when nailed right. Sigma Art - sharp, accurate but just too big. Canon 1.4 - accurate, sharp, good weight and has IS. Winner. However I didn't buy any of them, I bought the sigma 85 1.4 ex dg hsm for $400 and it's brilliant. Check out my review of it on my channel.
Rented it. Still like my Sigma 50mm art for things
Is the Sigma better?
@@Francisfphoto_ In some aspects, yes. There's some comparison videos on RUclips.
Why would you buy this over the Tamron 70-200 G2?
maybe because they have nothing in common?
Build a mini wind tunnel for your reviews, cmon Jared! :P
WINNING
The new 1.4 is better in everyway over the 1.2 except where it counts....image quality. You just can't beat a 1.2 and it don't care nothing about IS, weather sealing, etc. Technically better, yes. But can it give you the look of a 1.2....no way.
You are dead wrong... they did.... RF 85mm 1.2 and RF 85mm 1.2 DS :D duuuuh :D Fro, keep it up. :P:P:P
Just to let y'all know I farted on the lens guys lol ... 3:26
This or the Sigma 85 mm 1.4 ART?
Cool lens!!
haha, funny with all the Nikon Lenses in the Background
F22...really ? There is something called diffraction....you might test it first before telling anyone to get unsharp pictures.
D'Works It was only to show an image taken wide open and another with the smallest aperture.
He didn't tell everyone to shoot at f\22, but congratulations, you know about diffraction.
5:13
Well, this depends a lot on how big that aperture is PHYSICALLY. f/22 on a wide angle lens will be essentially a pinhole while large lenses can go to f/32 and still look sharper because the aperture is still physically larger. Don't forget what F means - Focal Length! F/22 on a 600mm lens produces a 27mm opening while on a 50mm lens this is essentially f/1.8 at the same 27mm aperture diameter.
In conclusion - diffraction depends on the lens in question. Longer lenses don't give a crap as much.