The sigma was designed with no compromises in mind to optical quality. That explains the geometry. The Canon was designed with IS and size in mind. With a modern mirrorless, the sigma is the one to get - especially given the cost! Do you need IS at 1.4? NO.
I was phasing out my EF lenses.. but I really want a solid 85mm. The RF 85 1.2 is amazing.. but at $2700 I just can't justify that atm. So here I am weighing out the Sigma vs Canon 85 1.4.. I love the Sigma Art series but I think That 85 1.4L IS hits all the things I want.
Nice comparison! Considering that RF 85mm f1.2 is out of reach for a normal person like me, these two are realistically the best options eos Rs shooters. I have 35 & 85 canon Ls and 50 & 135 sigma ARTs. These are, I think, the best prime options for Canon hobbyists.
I'm surprised by the fact that in your test the Canon is the sharper one. I do have the Canon 85mm 1.4L IS which is a fairly nice lens, but most reviews reported the opposite when it comes to sharpness. Maybe Canon made some improvement to this model and that would be less likely or your Sigma Copy needs some calibration which makes more sense in my opinion. With regard to the rest of your conclusions especially about chromatic aberration test, your results seem pretty reasonable there
I think he got that wrong too. The sample images had the sigma ahead. I've owned 6 Sigma ART primes, 35, 50, 85, 105, 135 and with the exception of the 35mm they are all razor sharp when using a body with dual pixel auto focus. I do agree with his overall conclusion though if you shoot video or moving subjects.
I agree, also from the video itself, in all examples the Sigma is clearly ahead of Canon in sharpness and contrast. All the other comparisons that I saw also second that. I can only think he's got a very bad copy, also for the AF, I had both 50 Art and 135 Art, sold both and now I have the 40 Art, and all of them (on Canon R6) have perfect autofocus, spot on, 100 shots on 100 shots are tack sharp. I just ordered the 85 Art (so I passed from 50 + 135 to now 40 + 85), I'll test it as soon at it arrives, but I expect an impeccable AF. The only REAL issue with the 85 Art is the filter thread (but it was probably needed for light transmission and vignette, in fact the vignette is way less then the Canon 85 1.4), I shoot a lot of portraits with ND outdoor in bright light (I don't like HSS), and I'm looking around for an ND32/ND64, but there are very few brands/models with such diameter, and prices are STELLAR...
Your findings correlate with those from DxoMark Lower amount of vignetting wide open makes Sigma better for casual photography (Catch: vignetting is good for portrait shots) But at the same times Canon lens because of its better focus accuracy gives more photos in focus at end of the day (run-n-gun situation) For videos, Canon lens is the way to go because of IS Also it's more gimbal friendly One more point: Sigma RF mount lenses do have a lotta pulsing AF issues when adapted on R cameras So Canon EF 85mm f1.4 lens holds more value with mirrorless R cameras
Nice review! I am having a hard time deciding between the canon 1.4 and if I should save some more for the Canon RF 1.2. Considering Im having the R6, how well would the IS of 1.4 helps out in low light situation. Or would the 1.2 be a better option vs this 1.4 IS. Thank you
RF 85mm f1.2 is the king of 85mm when taking portraits. For me it’s even better than 135mm. Sharpness and the bokeh and blurred background all are perfect. The thing is it’s $3000 and it’s kinda expensive for me.
Hands down for Canon. However, I think it is important to highlight in Canada at least - the Canon camera is sold without anything else. No lens hood, caps, or carrying case. Sigma includes all of them and the warranty is 7 years. For Canon the warranty is limited in USA and Canada.
@@ljforte1188 But only on APSC Canon cameras. Sigma can't produce DG DN lenses for both Nikon Z and Canon RF mount, they are restricted to L-mount and E-mount. E-mount Sigma 85mm F1.4 DGDN is a great lens that weighs half of Sigma HSM 85mm, it focus quite quickly on the Sony camera and is better than Sony GM 1 85mm f1.4.
Ehm. Looking at those sharpness photos, you say that Canon is sharper, but in those same photos you are showing, Sigma looks quite clearly sharper to me, yet you say Canon is sharper. Not sure if your left eye is sharper than your right one, or whats the deal.
His findings correlate with those from DxoMark Lower amount of vignetting wide open makes Sigma better for casual photography (Catch: vignetting is good for portrait shots) But at the same times Canon lens because of its better focus accuracy gives more photos in focus at end of the day (run-n-gun situation) For videos, Canon lens is the way to go because of IS Also it's more gimbal friendly One more point: Sigma RF mount lenses do have a lotta pulsing AF issues when adapted on R cameras So Canon EF 85mm f1.4 lens holds more value with mirrorless R cameras
From what I can see on my screen (1080p Eizo, color/bright calibrated), both examples at f1.4 (especially) and f2, ether in the centre and in the corners, the Sigma is clearly sharper then the Canon by a noticeable margin (only while pixel peeping...but that's what we're doing!), and even has visibly more contrast. EDIT: also all the other examples at f5.6 and f8, Sigma is justly slightly sharper then Canon, very marginally, but that's it. There's no single image where I can spot a superior performance from the Canon, very strange.
@@yummm8775 15/20 years ago yes; today Sigma Art are super precise even on dslr, and if you know how the AF sensor is working on mirrorless cameras, you'll see why today focus is a non issue with any of the third party manufacturer.
You can’t do a lens review without side by side image comparison. That’s what it’s all about. The two images you had on the screen are light years apart. No matter the cost the Canon was far superior if these are images with the same settings!
I would definitely agree, but if you’re after better value for money Sigma can definitely offer you good image quality at half the price. But of course if you after the best of the best, Canon L-series glass is always the way to go 😊
Tamaron 85 1.8 SP is better. I bought a few of the SP lenses a few years back and in hindsight, they were amazing. I was using Zeiss primes (still do) so they were sold- but going through my Lightroom catalog now, they were beautiful. And DxO Mark agrees. They need a new PR department.
@@bahaatamer1245 You will have to use a Sony body with a Sigma MC21 adapter. I have Sigma 85mm lenses but never budget for MC-21 to test both lenses on Sony.
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The sigma was designed with no compromises in mind to optical quality. That explains the geometry. The Canon was designed with IS and size in mind. With a modern mirrorless, the sigma is the one to get - especially given the cost! Do you need IS at 1.4? NO.
Who cares if it doesn't Focus at all? Sigma always misses the focus
@@aingzuu2110 Mine never does. Ever. You'll notice that I mentioned mirrorless.
I was phasing out my EF lenses.. but I really want a solid 85mm.
The RF 85 1.2 is amazing.. but at $2700
I just can't justify that atm.
So here I am weighing out the Sigma vs Canon 85 1.4..
I love the Sigma Art series but I think That 85 1.4L IS hits all the things I want.
Nice comparison! Considering that RF 85mm f1.2 is out of reach for a normal person like me, these two are realistically the best options eos Rs shooters. I have 35 & 85 canon Ls and 50 & 135 sigma ARTs. These are, I think, the best prime options for Canon hobbyists.
I'm surprised by the fact that in your test the Canon is the sharper one. I do have the Canon 85mm 1.4L IS which is a fairly nice lens, but most reviews reported the opposite when it comes to sharpness. Maybe Canon made some improvement to this model and that would be less likely or your Sigma Copy needs some calibration which makes more sense in my opinion. With regard to the rest of your conclusions especially about chromatic aberration test, your results seem pretty reasonable there
I think he got that wrong too. The sample images had the sigma ahead. I've owned 6 Sigma ART primes, 35, 50, 85, 105, 135 and with the exception of the 35mm they are all razor sharp when using a body with dual pixel auto focus. I do agree with his overall conclusion though if you shoot video or moving subjects.
No amount of calibration will impact sharpness
I agree, also from the video itself, in all examples the Sigma is clearly ahead of Canon in sharpness and contrast. All the other comparisons that I saw also second that. I can only think he's got a very bad copy, also for the AF, I had both 50 Art and 135 Art, sold both and now I have the 40 Art, and all of them (on Canon R6) have perfect autofocus, spot on, 100 shots on 100 shots are tack sharp. I just ordered the 85 Art (so I passed from 50 + 135 to now 40 + 85), I'll test it as soon at it arrives, but I expect an impeccable AF. The only REAL issue with the 85 Art is the filter thread (but it was probably needed for light transmission and vignette, in fact the vignette is way less then the Canon 85 1.4), I shoot a lot of portraits with ND outdoor in bright light (I don't like HSS), and I'm looking around for an ND32/ND64, but there are very few brands/models with such diameter, and prices are STELLAR...
Thank you man!
I rent the Canon for testing. I hope it will fit for me 😁
Perfect 👌 thank
Your findings correlate with those from DxoMark
Lower amount of vignetting wide open makes Sigma better for casual photography (Catch: vignetting is good for portrait shots)
But at the same times Canon lens because of its better focus accuracy gives more photos in focus at end of the day (run-n-gun situation)
For videos, Canon lens is the way to go because of IS
Also it's more gimbal friendly
One more point: Sigma RF mount lenses do have a lotta pulsing AF issues when adapted on R cameras
So Canon EF 85mm f1.4 lens holds more value with mirrorless R cameras
Nice review! I am having a hard time deciding between the canon 1.4 and if I should save some more for the Canon RF 1.2. Considering Im having the R6, how well would the IS of 1.4 helps out in low light situation. Or would the 1.2 be a better option vs this 1.4 IS. Thank you
RF 85mm f1.2 is the king of 85mm when taking portraits. For me it’s even better than 135mm.
Sharpness and the bokeh and blurred background all are perfect. The thing is it’s $3000 and it’s kinda expensive for me.
Great video, I was mostly set on Sigma before this video, now I'm set on Canon. Thanks!
Thank you !
Hands down for Canon. However, I think it is important to highlight in Canada at least - the Canon camera is sold without anything else. No lens hood, caps, or carrying case. Sigma includes all of them and the warranty is 7 years. For Canon the warranty is limited in USA and Canada.
I have the Canon R5. Canon does not want Sigma to produce RF lenses. Canon is a real A-Hole.
Just adapt EF lenses.
Well, that just changed as of today. Sigma announced their moving into the RF mount for canon
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@@ljforte1188 But only on APSC Canon cameras. Sigma can't produce DG DN lenses for both Nikon Z and Canon RF mount, they are restricted to L-mount and E-mount. E-mount Sigma 85mm F1.4 DGDN is a great lens that weighs half of Sigma HSM 85mm, it focus quite quickly on the Sony camera and is better than Sony GM 1 85mm f1.4.
Ehm. Looking at those sharpness photos, you say that Canon is sharper, but in those same photos you are showing, Sigma looks quite clearly sharper to me, yet you say Canon is sharper. Not sure if your left eye is sharper than your right one, or whats the deal.
His findings correlate with those from DxoMark
Lower amount of vignetting wide open makes Sigma better for casual photography (Catch: vignetting is good for portrait shots)
But at the same times Canon lens because of its better focus accuracy gives more photos in focus at end of the day (run-n-gun situation)
For videos, Canon lens is the way to go because of IS
Also it's more gimbal friendly
One more point: Sigma RF mount lenses do have a lotta pulsing AF issues when adapted on R cameras
So Canon EF 85mm f1.4 lens holds more value with mirrorless R cameras
From what I can see on my screen (1080p Eizo, color/bright calibrated), both examples at f1.4 (especially) and f2, ether in the centre and in the corners, the Sigma is clearly sharper then the Canon by a noticeable margin (only while pixel peeping...but that's what we're doing!), and even has visibly more contrast. EDIT: also all the other examples at f5.6 and f8, Sigma is justly slightly sharper then Canon, very marginally, but that's it. There's no single image where I can spot a superior performance from the Canon, very strange.
Sigma is notoriously known for focusing issues while Canon is superior in this field. I will not buy any Sigma for this reason alone.
@@yummm8775 15/20 years ago yes; today Sigma Art are super precise even on dslr, and if you know how the AF sensor is working on mirrorless cameras, you'll see why today focus is a non issue with any of the third party manufacturer.
You can’t do a lens review without side by side image comparison. That’s what it’s all about. The two images you had on the screen are light years apart. No matter the cost the Canon was far superior if these are images with the same settings!
I would choose canon of course
I would definitely agree. Love this lens
The sigma lens is half priced in the USA.
I've used both brands and it will always be Canon. Sigma is nowhere near as good.
I would definitely agree, but if you’re after better value for money Sigma can definitely offer you good image quality at half the price. But of course if you after the best of the best, Canon L-series glass is always the way to go 😊
@@PhotoFeaver I used sigma a handful of years ago. They are very good, then switched to L and that's all I can use now.
He inhaled helium😂
Tamaron 85 1.8 SP is better. I bought a few of the SP lenses a few years back and in hindsight, they were amazing. I was using Zeiss primes (still do) so they were sold- but going through my Lightroom catalog now, they were beautiful.
And DxO Mark agrees. They need a new PR department.
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why didn’t u compare the new Sigma 85mm F1.4 DG DN E-Mount ? That’s more compact and weight is 1.38 lbs and the quality is also better
Probably because you can not use on Canon RF.
Because it won't fit on Canon cameras
@@bahaatamer1245 You will have to use a Sony body with a Sigma MC21 adapter. I have Sigma 85mm lenses but never budget for MC-21 to test both lenses on Sony.
86mm filter size? - No go Sigma!