Imagine a student (akin to Watchtower) in a classroom warns their peers that the teacher (symbolizing world governments) will get mad and ban all games (paralleling the ban on all religions) if even one student starts a fight (equivalent to any form of religious conflict). The student uses the potential anger of the teacher as proof to support their certainty about the ban on games. This claim overlooks the teacher’s nuanced understanding of classroom dynamics, their ability to address conflicts individually rather than through blanket punishments, and the impracticality of banning all games, which are integral to learning and social interaction among students. Similarly, Watchtower’s prediction simplifies and exaggerates the complex relationship between global governments and religions, assuming a unanimous and drastic action against a fundamental aspect of human culture and society based on a speculative event. Just as it’s obvious that a teacher managing a diverse classroom would seek more measured and constructive solutions to conflicts, it’s clear that the global political landscape is too varied and nuanced for a unified, total ban on all religions to be a plausible scenario.
Which church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16,24:14,28:19-20,Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
Absolutely, unfortunately the old ones who make up the majority of the cults numbers are now beginning to pass away. This is just changing their tune to the younger audiences they still have since 2/3rds of the young actually left to live their lives myself included.
@@Hero_Of_Time94it hasn't for my congregation they still use that premise to try and "keep us close to Jehovah" and try my mother, my sister and I like shit.
Ironic isn’t it? Here’s some new light…. Forgiveness😮-You know-that very important fruitage of the spirit Jesus Taught? You have to apologize first, I believe that’s how it works
When you understand what they are saying it shows *God is more merciful/patient than we initiatially realised... The more we study the bible the more his personality and ways is understood...* 2 Peter 3:9 New Living Translation The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. *He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent.* Psalms 103:7-14 New Living Translation *7He revealed his character to Moses and his deeds to the people of Israel.* *8The LORD is compassionate and merciful,* slow to get angry and filled with unfailing love. 9He will not constantly accuse us, nor remain angry forever. *10He does not punish us for all our sins; he does not deal harshly with us, as we deserve.* 11For his unfailing love toward those who fear him is as great as the height of the heavens above the earth. 12He has removed our sins as far from us as the east is from the west. 13The LORD is like a father to his children, tender and compassionate to those who fear him. *14For he knows how weak we are; he remembers we are only dust.*
I spent my entire life up until 3 years ago believing I would die in Armegedon because I wouldn’t get baptized. Every single day was filled with absolute fear.
Girl, it’s the worst. I’ve been out three years and know it’s all absolute garbage but because of the intense brainwashing, I occasionally have a split second thinking I’m going to be destroyed. Nothing based on love would teach people that. We’re all going to be ok and only have to base that on being good people in general.
What's even worse @@GoverningBodyWhistleBlower, is that you can get so normalized to that fear that you don't even realize you were scared until you leave.
I totally agree with you and disagree with Lloyd. This is a huge change. It's a slap in the face to older JWs and it will remove any sense of urgency to new JWs. It's a total game changer, IMO.
@@brad5392 I don't think they're arguing in favor, I think they're sharing the sad reality that people who are discouraged from exercising critical thinking skills and emotionally manipulated will excuse even blatant contradictions.
Yes, the GB think they’re saved, justified, regenerated children of God and are heaven bound future executioners. We, on the other hand, can be God’s ‘friend’ by hanging onto their symbolic skirt to be in an ‘approved condition’ (not saved) so to escape being slaughtered at the big A.
I'm actually glad the Lloyd Evans take was brought up. While the Armageddon doctrine is still in place, how were supposed to perceive it is fundamentally different. This isn't an attempt by the governing body to make it sound more exciting, but rather more appealing to make people come back. It certainly doesn't help them that Stephen Lett has a breakdown of the Armageddon timeline with the final part of the final part of last days. It's evident that they're throwing everything out there to get people to stay/return from scare tactics responding to Covid to Sales tactics responding to the dwindling numbers that they don't wanna admit to.
THIS particular point irritates me. When I was studying I remember saying that I would believe if they did ban religion as I had doubts. I was told that by then it would be too late…..so I got baptised 🤦♀️ if this was the teaching back then, I probably would never have been a witness 🤦♀️🤦♀️
You're absolutely right, Kim. There are many who would never have gone along with the Society had this been the teaching. And, actually, the case can be made that now that this is the teaching, many will leave the Society as a consequence of this change. Of course, the Society is banking on the majority of Jehovah's witnesses having either a short memory or no memory at all. This despite the fact that the Society has long claimed to hold to a version of (pardon my poor spelling of the Latin) "stari decisis". From the Society's vantage point, "new light" must not contraindicate "old light", but rather confirm and expand upon the "old light". That's clearly not the case here. What was stated at the Society's annual meeting (and printed here in "The Watchtower") contraindicates the earlier teaching. Then again, within this overall topic, we've seen examples of this with regard to specific aspects. For instance, the Society has long had a back-and-forth with regard to Sodom and Gomorrah. That, by itself, could easily have been missed, particularly considering that a couple of times the changes occurred within a matter of months. But, now the Society has changed the overall teaching. Consequently, it's more noticeable. Add to this the fact that it came three days after the "Update" which had doubled down on the message of judgement during the great tribulation. Reflecting on this over the last few months, I'm even more glad that I left the Society when I did. Had I still have involved with the organization now, being the avid student of the Society's history that I was, this is one particular change which would have had me reaching for an air-sick bag and heading for the nearest exit. Remember, too, that it was at this same annual meeting that the reporting of hours in the field service for the majority of publishers was dispensed with. Of course, the hours were the enforcement mechanism for the field service. That announcement and the change regarding the great tribulation combine to negate the need for the field service altogether. And if the field service be negated, what need is there for the Society? After all, according to the Charter, the purpose of the Society is to facilitate the dissemination of the gospel of the kingdom. Granted, we all realize that the Society has really in recent years become nothing more than a real-estate and telecommunications outfit. But, the majority of active witnesses continue to view it in line with the Charter. That's where the question above comes into the discussion. To put it another way: Why would anyone be Jehovah's witnesses if both the purpose and enforcement of witnessing are now contraindicated? It all demonstrates that the Society has always been wrong. Even Jeffery Winder, in his discourse at the same annual meeting, tacitly admitted that they've been making it all up as they go along.
I did what they said & studied my Bible, in fact I studied it so well that I came to the conclusion that it’s just a collection of mythology & folklore written in response to whatever was going on in the writer’s world view at the time. So now absolutely everything that the GB comes up with just sounds like a word salad. But I have family still in so I’m stuck with keeping up with their lunacy & hypocritical shenanigans. Thank you Wally for making it fun & easy for me to do that (I loved the jumping up & down clip). I’m still confused as to how I was fooled for so long, I guess I wasn’t the only one.
And this is still a "win" for Satan,... in that while you escaped the watchtower cult and its false teachings,... you have decided everything is a "myth",... and completely missed God's FREE GIFT of SALVATION by GRACE through His Son, Christ Jesus!!!! Hallelujah!!!!!!! Many Christians fail to recognize that many former jw's, like yourself,... that wake up and escape, are often SO hurt and so angry and so bitter,... that they completely miss a REAL and PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with God!!! Listen,... He IS REAL!!! And you are LOVED by Him more than you can ever fathom!!! So much so that He became flesh and died on the Cross to PAY for your sins and demonstrate to you his merciful and unending LOVE for you. He wants to love you and fill your heart with a joy that words can't describe!!! But,... you have to TRUST Him and ACCEPT that it is a FREE GIFT by GRACE,... and NOT something you can EVER EARN!!! You have suffered SO MUCH at the hands of deceitful men being used by Satan. DON'T LET WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO YOU, KEEP YOU FROM YOUR FATHER!!! PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE,.... consider,.... being honest with God and telling Him,... "God,... honestly,... I don't know if you are there or not. But I do know that IF YOU ARE THERE,... I want to know. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE,... IF YOU ARE THERE,.... PLEASE,... I NEED YOU!!!" If your heart is contrite,... our Father is faithful to both forgive us and save us, through His Son, Jesus Christ. You have ALREADY BEEN RANSOMED, THE SACRIFICE MADE and the PENALTY PAID. BUT,... each of us is given the free will to accept or reject God's gracious GIFT. Don't reject it. Humble yourself,... fall on your knees and cry out to God and beg Him for His love and presence in your life! God is faithful and merciful and WILL reveal Himself,... if you are sincere.
To try and answer your last sentence specifically: I grew up in a psychologically abusive household and was brainwashed into believing some blatantly false things. There are lots of ways you can get someone to do that, and just from my short experience with the borg, I've identified all sorts of emotional manipulation attempts that I would have fallen for years prior. The "devil" is in the details, as they say.
I think for those of us who are out it is a huge difference because we’re able to freely think about the contradictions. However I think those who are still in will default to think it’s no difference as a way to cope with more changes and not wanting to risk it. Inside their heads they may struggle with it but in the end they’ll default to well I still have to be faithful now so it may not seem that different to those who are heavily still in.
@@kathryna6370I used to believe in the New Light bs when I was in too until I realized Light is not or ever has been or ever will be...New. Light is. Period.
Lloyd gave no explanation as to why he doesn't think anything has changed, so I agree with your take and explained reasoning on the situation. Anyone who has followed Lloyd any length of time, knows he can not handle the slightest criticism, so you will likely be on the top of his arch-enemy list this week. But don't worry, you'll quickly be replaced next week by someone giving him constructive criticism in his comment section.
I wonder if Lloyd is maybe saying that in reality there's no change. Like hardliners like my sister will still get to think those people will be destroyed because "they don't know". So it could go either way. Basically the more compassionate jws get to believe in last minute repentance while the strict ones get their fantasy of watching people "burn like hotdogs" which is really no different than the thought process has been in the past. 🤔
I agree with you on this 100%. I dont understand how that other referanced individual doesnt see this very clear distinction. And for me personally (being a dissfellowshipped person being actively shunned by my family) this has significant meaning to me. Maybe this doctrinal change could result in softening my parents hearts and maybe they would be more inclined to treating me like I actually exist. But I digress...love ya! Mean it!🤙
That's why the leadership is saying this new change. It's called Incrementalism...the leadership are slowly slipping this in to have full blown believes to talk to their inactive, faded, DISFELLOWSHIPED family and friends
True, doing away with disfellowshipping and shunning will bring families back together. But those who have lost loved ones to suicides or other forms of death will be broken-hearted that the GB made them (under fear) lose precious moments. They will have to get rid of those awful shunning videos of a mom trying to call her daughter but the daughter replacing mom with “older sisters”, and that one of the teen trying to call her mother but the mother can’t answer. How horrible those were. Reminded me of some horror movie.
So if they don’t know this for sure… how do they know “for sure” Armageddon is coming at all? Or that the world will turn into a paradise? Or that our loved ones will be resurrected? How could they know you know… “for sure”?
Well I think they’ve put Armageddon on hold, Paradise is up on the shelf right now, because they are busy with Real Estate planning and building and advertising their WT Bible Museum. They don’t wanna think about all that ending just yet.
In a weird way this just confirms it's all crap. Its a catch-22. Either this IS god's unchanging org which is correct and right and true and therefore doesn't need to change, OR, its changing to be closer to the truth, meaning it wasnt ever the truth, and they the whole time they have been lying about multiple things but only changing when they get caught. Neither of these strike me as "proof of God's approval", they both strike me as someone making things up as they go.
Yes, it’s on its way out too. They hope to calm people down but it’s too late. When those who have lost loved ones to in-concrete doctrines and have lost to disfellowshipping and shunning, there’s literally going to be “Hell” to pay. These GB have f(quack)ed with people so seriously that the people will revolt. I’ve always thought, get rid of the harmful doctrines and keep your religion, no one cares what you believe, but now I see that these guys are stuck badly. Keep up the harmful doctrines and they’ll be in Court all the time and lose tax exempt status. Relax those doctrines or do away with them, and people who have been seriously affected are going to blow. The GB will be held accountable for death and destruction of the family unit no matter what they do now. I KNEW this beard treat was simply the tail wagging the dog: a few crumbs tossed to numb people to win some time and deflect from some very serious problems.
Insider info (Remember this post!!!): All of this new light is laying the groundwork for sweeping organizational policy updates to come. If you thought the beard & fs time reporting were big, the next few years are going to blow you away! They’re pacing their redirection efforts with the ultimate goal of staying relevant in a drastically changing legal environment. From a corporate standpoint, rigidity leads to death. Their hired consulting experts recommend that rebranding is in order.
It's going to eventually be that they have the same beliefs and practices of run of the mill born again Christians, who have held these beliefs for like always
Exactly. They’re already so immersed in the world with their business dealings. It just the little children they target and won’t let the pressure off of. Now, if they let a child be part of a cupcake school party, I’d be very happy with that. Because the adults are big and can choose their hypocrisy. But the children are such targets for these thugs. They’re the ones who suffer the isolation, not the obtuse adults.
@@lynb_11 Or they’ll say if you want to celebrate it’s a conscience matter but you know if you celebrate, you’ll get the silent treatment, so your conscience tells you to celebrate but hide the xmas tree and presents in the closet! In WT it’s ok to be a hypocrite, but a fun one who finds ways to celebrate! 😂
Hawaii congregations the brothers don’t need to wear suits Next will be the blood Then the disfellowshipped ones will be pardoned Then they’ll report the CSA directly to the police
Well, great. Maybe my JW brother will be able to speak with me if he so chooses after all these years before we both die (we’re both so old now)...or NOT.
Yes it’s starting… my grandfather passed away and he was a witness they give a talk for his funeral. There was a few things that was sad that I went huh?! When I asked my aunt she acted like she didn’t hear it. They are changing their doctrine and will be like any other Christian church.
@@ohgawd I went to a memorial and the speaker was talking about organ donation. How a sister needed a kidney and got one from her sister. Then related it to how Jesus died for us. He was like wasn’t that so great that sister Beth got an organ like what…. They have never been supportive of organ donation ever!!!. I told my aunt about this and she said there was no way the speaker said this . I said absolutely! She’s a witness and denied that it would be excepted. She didn’t believe me because I’m not a witness. I go sometimes because of family. Also at my grandpas funeral the pastor said only about Jesus. Like it was all about Jesus. If you know anything about JWs they will very rarely speak about Jesus. It sounded like a mainstream church sermon. I about fell out of my chair.
Not really! Sisters in the door-to-door service used to daydream about “oh I’ll take THAT house after Armageddon!” or “That car is the one I’ll drive!”
I'm a never JW but have lots of family on one side who are JWs (one aunt converted and then two other sisters of hers after her) and my cousins used to talk about moving into big houses and I'd get excited thinking they meant sometime soon and they'd say "oh no we'll live there after Armageddon." And then go on about how my family really should become witnesses because I'd miss out on all the cool stuff. I was much to young to understand and was so jealous of them. I really thought they were going to be living in a huge house with an indoor pool and I was going to miss it all
If Jehovah is in the habit of destroying people with the intent of bringing them back after Armageddon, doesn’t that destroy their reasoning for why the end hasn’t come yet? What’s the hold up now?
@@jakelynbrook There is no holdup. Jehovah never existed. Armageddon is a figment of people’s imagination. The End will never come. And Jesus died for nothing. And so will all of us….
That’s true. Why would people be killed just to come back? That’s one thing I never understood even about the Catholic or Christian hell doctrine: you’re born. You sin. You die with sin, you go to hell. Then you get resurrected to get judged. Then you go to hell. ??? Also JWs: you’re born an “enemy of Jehovah” according to Lett. You grow. You get baptized JW. You make a mistake. You’re marked for destruction. You’re disfellowshipped and die. You’re destroyed then resurrected to be judged to get destroyed again. ?? I just don’t get it! Why not live life as Christ suggested: with Joy in Abundance and take up your Cross when you must, be human and grow and develop and believe and “Fear not!” “Stand still and KNOW that I Am God!” All this u and down, live and die then come back then go back is a lot of bouncing a ball up and down and back and forth...like a yo-yo.
In that leak it doesn’t say they admit he didn’t preach, they only admit that he didn’t preach to everyone. It’s weird in that they are making a point of whether people are being preached to or not.
As I have not been in JW I see this from the outside and I see thus change as huge. The fear thing is what affects the members the most as they are trained to think the same. Jeffrey talked about the elephant in the room hoping that people died before Armageddon. Fear will decrease and critical thinking increase...😊
I tend to agree with your assessment. It seems a pretty big deal to me, these "adjustments". (I've come to hate that word and I have never been a JW!!!) This seemingly new stressing of not being dogmatic (like Splane said over and over) lends itself to the org. being less strict in a sense. They need to ease up somewhat to help retain members? Just a guess. Another great video, cheers!
@@jiriovecka350 Older people are generally resistant to change. Time marches on and some people view change in many respects as somehow wrong or ill advised. It's the same in every generation. (EVEN overlapping generations!!! Pun intended!) Yeah, I wonder what will happen to the org myself. BUT,, happily, the internet will speed up it's demise, certainly with folks like JW Thoughts around, that's for sure.
The “old timers” don’t want change because they believed everything was biblical before. So of course they wouldn’t like the changes because the changes are being expressed as GB opinions now!
@@jiriovecka350I don’t want strict and dogmatic and I don’t want soft. I want the Governing Body disfellowshipped, shunned, taken to prison and held accountable, then if people choose to believe in Paradise, so be it. Just get rid of the thugs and fear and false prophets.
Yes, it’s BIG deal! Imagine the pioneers spended most of the TIME, ENERGY, and MONEY to preach cuz was taught people has to repent before tribulation starts! Also by the 1914 not pass away teachings! And now saying to them it is last minute before Armageddon! Even saying anyone can in last minute😮
Dead right !! These Very special pioneers were made to look like Absolute Fools.. but WAIT there’s more ! THERES MORE NEW LIGHT…..YOU HAVENT HEARD THE WORST OF IT YET !! … they’re closing down ?!
I usually agree with @lloydevans but he is 100% wrong on this one. clearly gb is setting things up for more changes or a talking point for how the organization is currently run when they r being sued
Yeah so i grew up believing that if you are not a fully dedicated baptised believer at the start of the great tribulation then the "doors of the ark" will be shut on you and you will be doomed, that is definitely in a ton of their publications. Now they're saying if your not an active JW at the start of the great tribulation, maybe even disfellowshipped and you start seeing the signs coming true, then you can run back to the JW's last second! That is a massive doctrinal change! It means that every witness could leave right now and live a normal life then just go back when they see the signs! And it means the POMI people can stop worrying aswell and feel no urgency to go back right now and stop living in fear! Thats crazy! 😮
This org is starting to be like any other Christian sect or denominations that has EASY way of life as Christian. This new light actually want to say, don’t be too hard in believing Bible you can repent anyway in last minute during Jesus coming😅
Well, they are realizing they HAVE to join the world if they want to get ahead progress-business-wise! They can’t keep killing off people and splitting up families, who would visit their new WT Bible museum?!?
This is all just conditioning witnesses to subconsciously accept that "the light" will always seem arbitrary for the average viewer. In reality "the light" can´t keep up with the times where especially the young generation is more interested in individualism than a coherent god.
If i remember right they did kind of qualify the change. It seems like they referenced those who never never knew vs those who knew but left. The difference being that if you never actually knew you'd be less responsible than someone like the majority of us who knew but left. Not that they were totally taking away they possibility of a former member rejoining right at the end and surviving, but that it would be less likely for that type of person. Again not that they totally ruled it out, just cast doubt on it. But i could be misremembering it too. I only watched that part of it once and either way i do feel like it's a big change considering they used to say any non-JWs would die at the end. That teaching never made sense to me considering there were supposedly a bunch of Egyptians that left with them.
This is a huge shift. I personally think it was done to eliminate the dialog that would occur between someone who chooses to leave and an existing member. The existing member can simply say, "it's ok that you have your doubt because when these events happen you can come back and we'll still be together in paradise" opposed to the possible waking up that may occur if the existing member attempts to engage as to why the individual is leaving. They're a corporation in decline trying to maintain existing numbers
Hi Wally!… yes I totally agree with you. Your thoughts are exactly what I was thinking… That you can change your mind at the end of the great tribulation if you see all these things coming true that they have predicted for 150 years you can come back at any time.!… I really don’t know what Lloyd Evans was thinking when he made his comments!🤔
I watched the Lloyd one too and I disagreed, I really think this is their biggest crazy change since overlapping bullshit generation, but that’s what makes life great .We can all discuss and debate and it’s all ok
Hey Wally at first a few years ago I thought of you just as a weird dude with painted finger nails but after watching most of your videos I have gained a lot of respect towards you. You are a great man taking your time to help others like myself 10 years ago to understand about life In general which is said because so many witnesses out there just don’t know and there afraid to watch anything involving jws lol 😂. I’m a Newfie lived in Alberta for 13 years of my life and moved home to Newfoundland with my family and we are all happy! Me and my wife just had a baby two days ago and I just want to say thanks for the video’s keep them up and hopefully more people will see and know the truth about the truth lol 😂 take care brother have a great day
@@ramrod576 hey man I grew up in Marystown nl and moved away to Edmonton at 19 and moved back home in 2018 now living in red harbour just outside Marystown lol home is home by and I was making really good money and had lots of friends up in Edmonton had a house trucks,mustang, and a bunch of outdoor atvs and sleds but still did not feel like home after 13 years me and my son moved back home together. We didn’t have much when we came back but ourselves and a house my parents rented out to me but I met the most beautiful and intelligent woman I’ve ever seen or met and automatically fell in love with her now we have a family of three full time and her three children every weekend from her previous marriage as well but we all love eachother and I love all my kids including hers just as much as my own! God has really blessed me and maybe we know each other my name is Byron Holloway and my dad is Boyd Holloway he’s a famous artist back here on the rock he painted the largest mural on the grand bank museum in 2002 and it’s still there today. Largest at the time east of Manitoba lol take care friend
In that Lot’s story, so to this book God there were not even 10 innocent babies in that town when Abraham asked for to be saved!?😅what a joke! Why didn’t I realized this logic while indoctrinated😅Lot could’ve used a carriage to let at least 10 innocent little ones on it and leave that destruction if he acknowledged what Humanity is😮,saddest those guest angels didn’t advise to do it😢
I'd like it better if Wally included outakes of the jump, that didn't quite go to plan. Come on, Wally, own up. Did it really take the one take???????😂
Here is what I can see happening, Wally. At some point I can see governments making a move against religion by enacting laws to punish abusive actions of cults; taking away religions' tax exempt, privileged status in society; and going full secular, treating just as every other secular institution without the special privileges and deference they currently enjoy. Coupled with this, there could be some damning exposes of the corruption and crimes practiced by certain religious institutions over the years resulting in many people leaving organized religions and becoming atheist or just practicing their own personal, independent kind of spirituality. When this happens Watchtower will point at this series of events and say it's the fulfillment of the destruction of Babylon the great mentioned in Revelation. They will say Revelation is symbolic so it wasn't talking about literal destruction but the destruction of organized religions' privileged status and standing in society. This kind of shenanigan would be straight out of the same playbook they used with their predictions for 1914 failed. They just said it's an invisible presence and sort of spiritualized everything.
All those unnecessary Armageddon nightmares as a child. Ive literally woken up crying from a dream having to say final goodbye to my father, who struggled with alcohol and had to stay behind and be destroyed 😭😭😭
2nd, those who died in the flood or in Sodom and Gormiah , have been judged and The Living Creator meant to wipe them out, he did not make any errors or mistakes in wiping out the people.
so we were taught that Jehovah knows the heart even before we were born. So why would he bring back folks he already destroyed? sound like they trying to say Jehovah makes mistakes ???? so weird.
As someone who still have contact with pimi(family) i get that point. I have asked them about these changes, most of them is like "god shows true love once again" and "we're not allowed to have an opinion about it". These changes are big for pimo, but i think that a pimi doesn't see it tbh. Only one more things that god is love and grateful to the borg...
I agree with you that this is a huge change for WT. One of the primary reasons for preaching used to be that when the end comes all of those who are not baptized JWs will be destroyed - in spite of the glaring lack of evidence (or even contrary evidence) for their claims. I think that a few consequences of this change in beliefs may be: (1) individual JWs will feel less urgency to go out in the ministry, (2) those associated with the WT will feel less pressured to get baptized, and (3) the WT and individual JWs will be more confident in admitting that they "do not know" about details regarding salvation. I think this is another small step in the WT drifting away from a religious dogma that is tribalistic. It also, very subtlety, acknowledges that for many non JWs there is just not enough evidence for their scriptural claims. I also do not think that any of these changes will affect the field ministry, because the door-to-door work seems pretty fruitless anyway. With all of that being said, I truly believe that the reason these changes are being made is that the GB realizes they are bleeding members and it is not sustainable to go on with the current business model. They are slowly softening their stance on a number of issues that make the religion distasteful to so many people. They may shake things up and lose some members, but they are losing members now so what do they have to lose? I think they know that some drastic changes need to be made or they will start losing members every year. Thank you and keep up the great work Wally.
Your mention of the hot stove reminded me of their often-used 'proof' that we don't go to hell - "would a loving father hold his child's hand over a hotplate?" It made sense until you also asked, "would a loving father also kill 185,000 Assyrians in one night, or all the people around the world who Noah never bothered to preach to?"
So when I was in I was told the preaching work would switch to a judgement message where we were going out and telling everybody they’d been judged. So I’m guessing this will no longer be the case in the JW belief system?
All of the GB members are older, old enough to remember the very strict ways how to survive Armageddon and/or be faithful enough to be resurrected. I can't believe they ALL started re-thinking this. No wonder Tony Morris left, not saying that's why but these changes are a 180° turn on what Witnesses used to believe
I believe what Lloyd is saying is "If god kills you now, kills you after watching you beg for forgiveness or waits to kill you after a 4 hour slide show of your life's choices, you are still are killed that day" so it not a drastic change in watchtower's doctrine according to Lloyd. Thus watchtower is just muddling the water so some people think they can return to the fold after leaving. Basically throwing a line to former believers to pump up the number of active tithing members. I could be wrong but that is what I take away from Lloyd's perspective.
I heard lloyd evans clip. You are both right analytically. I enjoy all sides of opinion. I think lloyd is atheist. You may be as well. As of right now i am agnostic. I will pray to my children in jesus name. But that is about it. Thank you for everything you do wally! Always appreciated. Fix your heater and have a good ass day.
That doggone WT boring magazine is the same stuff over and over and recycled through the years with the New Light pressed in here and there. I used to try so hard to keep alert and awake during those studies; the boring guy at the podium reading in a monotone voice asking a question, the guy with the microphone jogging to a seated sister who would grab it while he still handled it, the fart rippp noise it would make, the overly long answer, me thinking, Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up and get through the paragraph! It was awful. And if you got up to take your child to the restroom everyone would glare at you so sometimes you’d stay in your seat and just focus out the window on a pigeon walking around the lot, daydreaming, wondering if the pigeon’s neck ever ached from all that head motion, then you’d get the giggles, then the kids would think you wanted to play so they’d start to laugh until the husband (the “Head”) would look at us as if he’d kill us, then we’d start again...the brother with the mic running to the same lady...oh god!!! Awful!
Thank you Wally for all your good work. I initially agreed with Lloyd Evans, but on reflection, and after hearing about the latest leaked information on the Watchtower’s 10 year plan to reform themselves, I think this ‘new light’ may well be a precursor to them changing the rules on the treatment of disfellowshiped people. Time will tell.
Soon, he'll post his umpteenth video demanding more subscribers, more members and, of course, much more money which he can then squander. To think he still views himself as the créme de la créme and the leading (or, as he would think, only) spokesman for formed witnesses! He really is involved with himself. And, here, I thought it was just a summer thing.
I feel that Jehovah would read people's heart condition once the Great Tribulation starts, jumping back in to save yourself doesn't feel right to me anyway.
I remember when I was a child asking an elder about this. I asked, What about the people who live in jungles or islands where they don’t come in contact with anyone, they’ll die too? I was told they would and not to ask questions like that. I think about it all the time.
So do I ,did Noah come to Australia to pick up the animals and preach to the people, he could have at least wrote a diary about his travels, so we don't have to ask??? All Bulla Macow Pick Pick 😊
Crazy how they can judge a bunch of ppl especially when one of the head elder is out buying 800 in liquor. He's been disfellowshipped but he was literally one of the ones that also said something about tight pants. It's Absolutely hypocritical to say anything like this
i understand both pov’s, i definitely think that this is great we can now wait for evidence and live normally, however my parents said that jehovah in the end would know your thoughts and and it wouldn’t matter anyway because you essentially knew what was right anyway. Maybe that’s what lloyd means giving that a lot of jws think similar to my parents, especially their hall
It IS big deal, but more so for me because of what the adjustment says about "Jehovah." As a PIMI, I looked at every study session as an opportunity to "draw close to God." There are things in the Bible that make you question why God did what he did, but the thought stopping excuse that got me through those doubts was that Jehovah does not make mistakes in judgment. He read hearts so if he caused someone's death, it was because there was no hope for them. It lessened the sickening feeling I had when reading about women and children being slaughtered at God's hand or direction. That is now gone. What they are now saying means that Jehovah knowingly ended innocent people's lives. Children. Infants. The unborn. How is this a loving God? A merciful God? A God you can trust? In addition to that line of reasoning, the Bible itself states that God found no one righteous or worthy of saving in Noah's day and in Sodom and Gomorrah. So the GB now says the opposite. There COULD have been some who were redeemable, but God killed them anyway and he'll bring them back so it's ok. They are literally disregarding the Bible they claim to follow to the letter! What does the Bible REALLY teach, indeed. 🙄 If JWs see this as an opportunity to slack off without feeling guilt, then good. But I sure hope this wacky theology wakes people up so they can break free of the indoctrination not only the JWs, but the Bible and religion as a whole. It's toxic and divisive.
My JW friend (the only one that speaks to me despite my apostasy) says we do not understand Jehovah and He can do anything He likes, that Jehovah can change his mind like a chameleon 1000 times.
I struggled with this question all the time when I was a JW. Even Christian denominations generally do not have an justified answer for this in my opinion. One of the many reasons I am no longer Christian.
If Jehovah is willing I will be having this conversation once released with my former Bible teacher to see where he stands. Its ironic since he's the only one wants me to come back to the organization.
I had exactly the same reaction to Lloyds comment. Its not that weird to be unimpressed, Feeling the need to instruct others they are wrong is bizarre.
They professed their false prophesies through the literature they published luring in people at the same time who were eventually exploited and manipulated to their benefit and sustenance $$$ Being an active JWS is in fact sharing in their sins, which by god's viewpoint is just as condemning ( Revelation 20:10 )
The Socieities often repeated "new light" surprisingly seems to match up with the need to pick up new members or when they have a problem getting people to join up. This not only goes back to C. T. Russell when he sgtarted it up, it also happened during his reign. Also happens there with every other leader or group of leaders who come in. Also happens repeatedly with their leaders when they have a bump in the road. Didn't start with C. T. Russell, and old C. T. made changes when the Adventist group (Millerites) he originally ran with then ran into their bumps in the road with their apocalyptic teachings from the mid 1800's, and thus begn the 7th Day and the Bible Students. It is a long story that started not long after C. T., it continues until today and the changes to their obvious errors are found no longer satisfactory to their rank and file, but they take action, for the most part, only when their income drops. Then, they wait for the drop off off, hope to gain new members, and hope the people stuck on what they find unacceptible and leave or die off. I can guarantee you, there would be many many unhappy witnesses from early 1975.
Imagine a student (akin to Watchtower) in a classroom warns their peers that the teacher (symbolizing world governments) will get mad and ban all games (paralleling the ban on all religions) if even one student starts a fight (equivalent to any form of religious conflict). The student uses the potential anger of the teacher as proof to support their certainty about the ban on games. This claim overlooks the teacher’s nuanced understanding of classroom dynamics, their ability to address conflicts individually rather than through blanket punishments, and the impracticality of banning all games, which are integral to learning and social interaction among students. Similarly, Watchtower’s prediction simplifies and exaggerates the complex relationship between global governments and religions, assuming a unanimous and drastic action against a fundamental aspect of human culture and society based on a speculative event. Just as it’s obvious that a teacher managing a diverse classroom would seek more measured and constructive solutions to conflicts, it’s clear that the global political landscape is too varied and nuanced for a unified, total ban on all religions to be a plausible scenario.
Which church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16,24:14,28:19-20,Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
Being judged a second time after being destroyed by God seems like double jeopardy
really is a kick in the guts for older believers
Absolutely, unfortunately the old ones who make up the majority of the cults numbers are now beginning to pass away. This is just changing their tune to the younger audiences they still have since 2/3rds of the young actually left to live their lives myself included.
@@Hero_Of_Time94it hasn't for my congregation they still use that premise to try and "keep us close to Jehovah" and try my mother, my sister and I like shit.
It’s a dangerous game they’re playing with peoples lives
Yet they have no need to apologize though remember ..
Ironic isn’t it? Here’s some new light…. Forgiveness😮-You know-that very important fruitage of the spirit Jesus Taught? You have to apologize first, I believe that’s how it works
When you understand what they are saying it shows *God is more merciful/patient than we initiatially realised... The more we study the bible the more his personality and ways is understood...*
2 Peter 3:9 New Living Translation
The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. *He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent.*
Psalms 103:7-14 New Living Translation
*7He revealed his character to Moses and his deeds to the people of Israel.*
*8The LORD is compassionate and merciful,* slow to get angry and filled with unfailing love.
9He will not constantly accuse us, nor remain angry forever.
*10He does not punish us for all our sins; he does not deal harshly with us, as we deserve.*
11For his unfailing love toward those who fear him is as great as the height of the heavens above the earth.
12He has removed our sins as far from us as the east is from the west.
13The LORD is like a father to his children, tender and compassionate to those who fear him.
*14For he knows how weak we are; he remembers we are only dust.*
@@Dewbeans2023 Your cult is dying.
@@iseeundeadpeople9there is nothing hidden that won’t be revealed
I spent my entire life up until 3 years ago believing I would die in Armegedon because I wouldn’t get baptized. Every single day was filled with absolute fear.
Girl, it’s the worst. I’ve been out three years and know it’s all absolute garbage but because of the intense brainwashing, I occasionally have a split second thinking I’m going to be destroyed. Nothing based on love would teach people that. We’re all going to be ok and only have to base that on being good people in general.
Now you can breathe. 😌
What's even worse @@GoverningBodyWhistleBlower, is that you can get so normalized to that fear that you don't even realize you were scared until you leave.
@@Myke_thehuman...Right..good point
Jesus and all disciples never said Jehovah or Jehovah god . Governing body is not in the Bible
I totally agree with you and disagree with Lloyd. This is a huge change. It's a slap in the face to older JWs and it will remove any sense of urgency to new JWs. It's a total game changer, IMO.
I know someone who is struggling with this “new light”.
@@capoboss6109 how so??
So now Watchtower is bold enough to admit they’re guessing? Wow!
And that’s why our families will stick even hard to it because now they will appear humble
@@spawnofkings3059 this doesn’t make sense, you sound like a battered spouse. If it was sarcasm and I missed it, well done.
@@brad5392 I don't think they're arguing in favor, I think they're sharing the sad reality that people who are discouraged from exercising critical thinking skills and emotionally manipulated will excuse even blatant contradictions.
Who cares ........they will probably change this again anyway. You know they will.
How many times can they say new light before members realize they're full of crap?
best comment
You got it right about where they pull new lights from.
"If you don't support Christs Brothers then you'll die at Armageddon!" so basically the same ol same ol 😂
Yes, the GB think they’re saved, justified, regenerated children of God and are heaven bound future executioners. We, on the other hand, can be God’s ‘friend’ by hanging onto their symbolic skirt to be in an ‘approved condition’ (not saved) so to escape being slaughtered at the big A.
I'm actually glad the Lloyd Evans take was brought up. While the Armageddon doctrine is still in place, how were supposed to perceive it is fundamentally different. This isn't an attempt by the governing body to make it sound more exciting, but rather more appealing to make people come back. It certainly doesn't help them that Stephen Lett has a breakdown of the Armageddon timeline with the final part of the final part of last days. It's evident that they're throwing everything out there to get people to stay/return from scare tactics responding to Covid to Sales tactics responding to the dwindling numbers that they don't wanna admit to.
Maybe they came out with "new light" because a lot of them are being ousted as abusers...🤔
THIS particular point irritates me. When I was studying I remember saying that I would believe if they did ban religion as I had doubts. I was told that by then it would be too late…..so I got baptised 🤦♀️ if this was the teaching back then, I probably would never have been a witness 🤦♀️🤦♀️
You're absolutely right, Kim. There are many who would never have gone along with the Society had this been the teaching. And, actually, the case can be made that now that this is the teaching, many will leave the Society as a consequence of this change.
Of course, the Society is banking on the majority of Jehovah's witnesses having either a short memory or no memory at all. This despite the fact that the Society has long claimed to hold to a version of (pardon my poor spelling of the Latin) "stari decisis". From the Society's vantage point, "new light" must not contraindicate "old light", but rather confirm and expand upon the "old light". That's clearly not the case here. What was stated at the Society's annual meeting (and printed here in "The Watchtower") contraindicates the earlier teaching. Then again, within this overall topic, we've seen examples of this with regard to specific aspects. For instance, the Society has long had a back-and-forth with regard to Sodom and Gomorrah. That, by itself, could easily have been missed, particularly considering that a couple of times the changes occurred within a matter of months. But, now the Society has changed the overall teaching. Consequently, it's more noticeable. Add to this the fact that it came three days after the "Update" which had doubled down on the message of judgement during the great tribulation.
Reflecting on this over the last few months, I'm even more glad that I left the Society when I did. Had I still have involved with the organization now, being the avid student of the Society's history that I was, this is one particular change which would have had me reaching for an air-sick bag and heading for the nearest exit. Remember, too, that it was at this same annual meeting that the reporting of hours in the field service for the majority of publishers was dispensed with. Of course, the hours were the enforcement mechanism for the field service. That announcement and the change regarding the great tribulation combine to negate the need for the field service altogether. And if the field service be negated, what need is there for the Society? After all, according to the Charter, the purpose of the Society is to facilitate the dissemination of the gospel of the kingdom. Granted, we all realize that the Society has really in recent years become nothing more than a real-estate and telecommunications outfit. But, the majority of active witnesses continue to view it in line with the Charter. That's where the question above comes into the discussion. To put it another way: Why would anyone be Jehovah's witnesses if both the purpose and enforcement of witnessing are now contraindicated?
It all demonstrates that the Society has always been wrong. Even Jeffery Winder, in his discourse at the same annual meeting, tacitly admitted that they've been making it all up as they go along.
@@thomash.schwed3662 really appreciate your comment, I absolutely agree with you and definitely gave me some more to think about 👍
Start fading out bro
I did what they said & studied my Bible, in fact I studied it so well that I came to the conclusion that it’s just a collection of mythology & folklore written in response to whatever was going on in the writer’s world view at the time. So now absolutely everything that the GB comes up with just sounds like a word salad. But I have family still in so I’m stuck with keeping up with their lunacy & hypocritical shenanigans. Thank you Wally for making it fun & easy for me to do that (I loved the jumping up & down clip). I’m still confused as to how I was fooled for so long, I guess I wasn’t the only one.
And this is still a "win" for Satan,... in that while you escaped the watchtower cult and its false teachings,... you have decided everything is a "myth",... and completely missed God's FREE GIFT of SALVATION by GRACE through His Son, Christ Jesus!!!! Hallelujah!!!!!!!
Many Christians fail to recognize that many former jw's, like yourself,... that wake up and escape, are often SO hurt and so angry and so bitter,... that they completely miss a REAL and PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with God!!!
Listen,... He IS REAL!!! And you are LOVED by Him more than you can ever fathom!!! So much so that He became flesh and died on the Cross to PAY for your sins and demonstrate to you his merciful and unending LOVE for you.
He wants to love you and fill your heart with a joy that words can't describe!!! But,... you have to TRUST Him and ACCEPT that it is a FREE GIFT by GRACE,... and NOT something you can EVER EARN!!!
You have suffered SO MUCH at the hands of deceitful men being used by Satan. DON'T LET WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO YOU, KEEP YOU FROM YOUR FATHER!!!
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE,.... consider,....
being honest with God and telling Him,...
"God,... honestly,... I don't know if you are there or not. But I do know that IF YOU ARE THERE,... I want to know. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE,... IF YOU ARE THERE,.... PLEASE,... I NEED YOU!!!"
If your heart is contrite,... our Father is faithful to both forgive us and save us, through His Son, Jesus Christ. You have ALREADY BEEN RANSOMED, THE SACRIFICE MADE and the PENALTY PAID.
BUT,... each of us is given the free will to accept or reject God's gracious GIFT.
Don't reject it.
Humble yourself,... fall on your knees and cry out to God and beg Him for His love and presence in your life! God is faithful and merciful and WILL reveal Himself,... if you are sincere.
To try and answer your last sentence specifically: I grew up in a psychologically abusive household and was brainwashed into believing some blatantly false things. There are lots of ways you can get someone to do that, and just from my short experience with the borg, I've identified all sorts of emotional manipulation attempts that I would have fallen for years prior. The "devil" is in the details, as they say.
I think for those of us who are out it is a huge difference because we’re able to freely think about the contradictions. However I think those who are still in will default to think it’s no difference as a way to cope with more changes and not wanting to risk it. Inside their heads they may struggle with it but in the end they’ll default to well I still have to be faithful now so it may not seem that different to those who are heavily still in.
I think they truly believe in “the light” bs like I did! It’s absolutely disgusting!
@@kathryna6370I used to believe in the New Light bs when I was in too until I realized Light is not or ever has been or ever will be...New. Light is. Period.
Lloyd gave no explanation as to why he doesn't think anything has changed, so I agree with your take and explained reasoning on the situation. Anyone who has followed Lloyd any length of time, knows he can not handle the slightest criticism, so you will likely be on the top of his arch-enemy list this week. But don't worry, you'll quickly be replaced next week by someone giving him constructive criticism in his comment section.
I wonder if Lloyd is maybe saying that in reality there's no change. Like hardliners like my sister will still get to think those people will be destroyed because "they don't know". So it could go either way.
Basically the more compassionate jws get to believe in last minute repentance while the strict ones get their fantasy of watching people "burn like hotdogs" which is really no different than the thought process has been in the past. 🤔
I agree with you on this 100%. I dont understand how that other referanced individual doesnt see this very clear distinction. And for me personally (being a dissfellowshipped person being actively shunned by my family) this has significant meaning to me. Maybe this doctrinal change could result in softening my parents hearts and maybe they would be more inclined to treating me like I actually exist. But I digress...love ya! Mean it!🤙
That's why the leadership is saying this new change. It's called Incrementalism...the leadership are slowly slipping this in to have full blown believes to talk to their inactive, faded, DISFELLOWSHIPED family and friends
Also, the lawsuits don't help & mandated shunning is an infringement on human rights. Watchtower is losing this battle in countries
True, doing away with disfellowshipping and shunning will bring families back together. But those who have lost loved ones to suicides or other forms of death will be broken-hearted that the GB made them (under fear) lose precious moments. They will have to get rid of those awful shunning videos of a mom trying to call her daughter but the daughter replacing mom with “older sisters”, and that one of the teen trying to call her mother but the mother can’t answer. How horrible those were. Reminded me of some horror movie.
So if they don’t know this for sure… how do they know “for sure” Armageddon is coming at all? Or that the world will turn into a paradise? Or that our loved ones will be resurrected? How could they know you know… “for sure”?
Well I think they’ve put Armageddon on hold, Paradise is up on the shelf right now, because they are busy with Real Estate planning and building and advertising their WT Bible Museum. They don’t wanna think about all that ending just yet.
When you know you know😹 and they don’t know!🙀
This! Exactly!
In a weird way this just confirms it's all crap. Its a catch-22. Either this IS god's unchanging org which is correct and right and true and therefore doesn't need to change, OR, its changing to be closer to the truth, meaning it wasnt ever the truth, and they the whole time they have been lying about multiple things but only changing when they get caught.
Neither of these strike me as "proof of God's approval", they both strike me as someone making things up as they go.
Its literally another desensitization tactic imo. "Don't get your emotions all worked up over people dying! They'll be back... maybe...!!"
When David Splain announced that it was like he said that God had made a mistake!
Really? He said God made a mistake??
Doesn’t matter, most JWs think these idiots are equal to God.
@@christinesotelo7655 I'm wondering the same thing, can we get a link to a clip of him saying this?
"Boy Howdy" I'm pulling my hair out over all this flip-flopping about what's next no shunning or even disfellowshipping🤨😐🤔
That's already happening
Yes, it’s on its way out too. They hope to calm people down but it’s too late. When those who have lost loved ones to in-concrete doctrines and have lost to disfellowshipping and shunning, there’s literally going to be “Hell” to pay. These GB have f(quack)ed with people so seriously that the people will revolt. I’ve always thought, get rid of the harmful doctrines and keep your religion, no one cares what you believe, but now I see that these guys are stuck badly. Keep up the harmful doctrines and they’ll be in Court all the time and lose tax exempt status. Relax those doctrines or do away with them, and people who have been seriously affected are going to blow. The GB will be held accountable for death and destruction of the family unit no matter what they do now. I KNEW this beard treat was simply the tail wagging the dog: a few crumbs tossed to numb people to win some time and deflect from some very serious problems.
@@tammyg8031 it’s still the same here. My family and friends don’t talk to me it’s been nearly 3 years
@@tammyg8031huh ?!!! 😮
@@CelticGypsy-USA There are rumors that the GB is considering removing shunning because they're falling into lawsuits 😂😂😂
The cat is a paid actor, lol
Insider info (Remember this post!!!):
All of this new light is laying the groundwork for sweeping organizational policy updates to come.
If you thought the beard & fs time reporting were big, the next few years are going to blow you away!
They’re pacing their redirection efforts with the ultimate goal of staying relevant in a drastically changing legal environment.
From a corporate standpoint, rigidity leads to death. Their hired consulting experts recommend that rebranding is in order.
Yep yep yep
It's going to eventually be that they have the same beliefs and practices of run of the mill born again Christians, who have held these beliefs for like always
Exactly. They’re already so immersed in the world with their business dealings. It just the little children they target and won’t let the pressure off of. Now, if they let a child be part of a cupcake school party, I’d be very happy with that. Because the adults are big and can choose their hypocrisy. But the children are such targets for these thugs. They’re the ones who suffer the isolation, not the obtuse adults.
I think they will say it will be up to you if you want celebrate holidays. And will become like other churches.
@@lynb_11 Or they’ll say if you want to celebrate it’s a conscience matter but you know if you celebrate, you’ll get the silent treatment, so your conscience tells you to celebrate but hide the xmas tree and presents in the closet! In WT it’s ok to be a hypocrite, but a fun one who finds ways to celebrate! 😂
Hawaii congregations the brothers don’t need to wear suits
Next will be the blood
Then the disfellowshipped ones will be pardoned
Then they’ll report the CSA directly to the police
😂bwahahaha, and give up their secret csa club, no way
Well, great. Maybe my JW brother will be able to speak with me if he so chooses after all these years before we both die (we’re both so old now)...or NOT.
Brothers in Darwin, Northern Australia, never had to wear suits, been there, seen that 😅
Easing them into more changes with their ten year revamp plan …. What it seems to me.
Yes it’s starting… my grandfather passed away and he was a witness they give a talk for his funeral. There was a few things that was sad that I went huh?! When I asked my aunt she acted like she didn’t hear it. They are changing their doctrine and will be like any other Christian church.
@@lynb_11do tell! What are they changing?
@@ohgawd I went to a memorial and the speaker was talking about organ donation. How a sister needed a kidney and got one from her sister. Then related it to how Jesus died for us. He was like wasn’t that so great that sister Beth got an organ like what…. They have never been supportive of organ donation ever!!!. I told my aunt about this and she said there was no way the speaker said this . I said absolutely! She’s a witness and denied that it would be excepted. She didn’t believe me because I’m not a witness. I go sometimes because of family. Also at my grandpas funeral the pastor said only about Jesus. Like it was all about Jesus. If you know anything about JWs they will very rarely speak about Jesus. It sounded like a mainstream church sermon. I about fell out of my chair.
I'm sure this all has Tony Morris rolling over in his "retirement". "We will never change....".
I want a house and a car from JW's!
@@GoverningBodyWhistleBlower You have to be a GB member first then get kicked out 😆
Not really! Sisters in the door-to-door service used to daydream about “oh I’ll take THAT house after Armageddon!” or “That car is the one I’ll drive!”
@@christinesotelo7655 Gee I thought all those houses and cars would be destroyed during Armageddon. 🤔
I'm a never JW but have lots of family on one side who are JWs (one aunt converted and then two other sisters of hers after her) and my cousins used to talk about moving into big houses and I'd get excited thinking they meant sometime soon and they'd say "oh no we'll live there after Armageddon." And then go on about how my family really should become witnesses because I'd miss out on all the cool stuff.
I was much to young to understand and was so jealous of them. I really thought they were going to be living in a huge house with an indoor pool and I was going to miss it all
If Jehovah is in the habit of destroying people with the intent of bringing them back after Armageddon, doesn’t that destroy their reasoning for why the end hasn’t come yet? What’s the hold up now?
Christ died for nothing??🧐🤔🤫😡😎🇺🇸 21:09
@@jakelynbrook There is no holdup. Jehovah never existed. Armageddon is a figment of people’s imagination. The End will never come. And Jesus died for nothing. And so will all of us….
That’s true. Why would people be killed just to come back? That’s one thing I never understood even about the Catholic or Christian hell doctrine: you’re born. You sin. You die with sin, you go to hell. Then you get resurrected to get judged. Then you go to hell. ??? Also JWs: you’re born an “enemy of Jehovah” according to Lett. You grow. You get baptized JW. You make a mistake. You’re marked for destruction. You’re disfellowshipped and die. You’re destroyed then resurrected to be judged to get destroyed again. ?? I just don’t get it! Why not live life as Christ suggested: with Joy in Abundance and take up your Cross when you must, be human and grow and develop and believe and “Fear not!” “Stand still and KNOW that I Am God!” All this u and down, live and die then come back then go back is a lot of bouncing a ball up and down and back and forth...like a yo-yo.
Exhausting.
@@gustavscholten597. Like @parsing a fairy tale” unk
In that leak it doesn’t say they admit he didn’t preach, they only admit that he didn’t preach to everyone.
It’s weird in that they are making a point of whether people are being preached to or not.
You're spot on. I thought the same thing on Lloyd's take on it. It's huge.
As I have not been in JW I see this from the outside and I see thus change as huge. The fear thing is what affects the members the most as they are trained to think the same. Jeffrey talked about the elephant in the room hoping that people died before Armageddon. Fear will decrease and critical thinking increase...😊
I tend to agree with your assessment. It seems a pretty big deal to me, these "adjustments". (I've come to hate that word and I have never been a JW!!!) This seemingly new stressing of not being dogmatic (like Splane said over and over) lends itself to the org. being less strict in a sense. They need to ease up somewhat to help retain members? Just a guess. Another great video, cheers!
I wonder what will happen to org in following years. I saw many old school members dont like this changes and want to stay very strict and dogmatic.
@@jiriovecka350 Older people are generally resistant to change. Time marches on and some people view change in many respects as somehow wrong or ill advised. It's the same in every generation. (EVEN overlapping generations!!! Pun intended!) Yeah, I wonder what will happen to the org myself. BUT,, happily, the internet will speed up it's demise, certainly with folks like JW Thoughts around, that's for sure.
The “old timers” don’t want change because they believed everything was biblical before. So of course they wouldn’t like the changes because the changes are being expressed as GB opinions now!
Maybe they need to ease up to avoid all of the legal & government scrutiny.
@@jiriovecka350I don’t want strict and dogmatic and I don’t want soft. I want the Governing Body disfellowshipped, shunned, taken to prison and held accountable, then if people choose to believe in Paradise, so be it. Just get rid of the thugs and fear and false prophets.
Yes, it’s BIG deal! Imagine the pioneers spended most of the TIME, ENERGY, and MONEY to preach cuz was taught people has to repent before tribulation starts! Also by the 1914 not pass away teachings! And now saying to them it is last minute before Armageddon! Even saying anyone can in last minute😮
Dead right !! These Very special pioneers were made to look like Absolute Fools.. but WAIT there’s more ! THERES MORE NEW LIGHT…..YOU HAVENT HEARD THE WORST OF IT YET !! … they’re closing down ?!
@@gustavscholten597what is closing down!?
@@lh1673 The WBTS.
What about the new light on the Locust ¿¿¿
It's like JW org forgot about the theif on the cross next to Jesus 🥲
I agree that it makes a huge difference that you can jump in last minute.
Its a massive change.
I dont understand Lloyds take on this at all.
because he wants to stand out and be different....like wt
I love how they say Yahweh is merciful. 😂😂😂
Yahweh is a murdering psycho!
I had a cat named ZZ Gibbons. ZZ Top fans get it! I don’t care if I die or don’t. 4 attempts…still here! God really gonna be all about me? Hell nah! 😅
I usually agree with @lloydevans but he is 100% wrong on this one. clearly gb is setting things up for more changes or a talking point for how the organization is currently run when they r being sued
Great point!
I love exposing the evil ones!
Yeah so i grew up believing that if you are not a fully dedicated baptised believer at the start of the great tribulation then the "doors of the ark" will be shut on you and you will be doomed, that is definitely in a ton of their publications.
Now they're saying if your not an active JW at the start of the great tribulation, maybe even disfellowshipped and you start seeing the signs coming true, then you can run back to the JW's last second! That is a massive doctrinal change! It means that every witness could leave right now and live a normal life then just go back when they see the signs! And it means the POMI people can stop worrying aswell and feel no urgency to go back right now and stop living in fear! Thats crazy! 😮
This org is starting to be like any other Christian sect or denominations that has EASY way of life as Christian. This new light actually want to say, don’t be too hard in believing Bible you can repent anyway in last minute during Jesus coming😅
Well, they are realizing they HAVE to join the world if they want to get ahead progress-business-wise! They can’t keep killing off people and splitting up families, who would visit their new WT Bible museum?!?
Great points!! Thank you as always!
Greetings from Brazil,🇧🇷
Hi from Indiana USA
Greetings @@jerryjohanan1940
Man, I love you bro! Keep it up!!! 😊 I’m headed to the meeting now. Watching your videos gives me hope.
I used to bring up this with my JW wife...she always said one can't question God .....smfh. Unbelievable
This is all just conditioning witnesses to subconsciously accept that "the light" will always seem arbitrary for the average viewer. In reality "the light" can´t keep up with the times where especially the young generation is more interested in individualism than a coherent god.
If i remember right they did kind of qualify the change. It seems like they referenced those who never never knew vs those who knew but left. The difference being that if you never actually knew you'd be less responsible than someone like the majority of us who knew but left. Not that they were totally taking away they possibility of a former member rejoining right at the end and surviving, but that it would be less likely for that type of person. Again not that they totally ruled it out, just cast doubt on it. But i could be misremembering it too. I only watched that part of it once and either way i do feel like it's a big change considering they used to say any non-JWs would die at the end. That teaching never made sense to me considering there were supposedly a bunch of Egyptians that left with them.
I think your assessment is spot on😅
This is a huge shift. I personally think it was done to eliminate the dialog that would occur between someone who chooses to leave and an existing member. The existing member can simply say, "it's ok that you have your doubt because when these events happen you can come back and we'll still be together in paradise" opposed to the possible waking up that may occur if the existing member attempts to engage as to why the individual is leaving. They're a corporation in decline trying to maintain existing numbers
I am wondering what’s provoked this update. Thank you for everything you do!
Hi Wally!… yes I totally agree with you. Your thoughts are exactly what I was thinking… That you can change your mind at the end of the great tribulation if you see all these things coming true that they have predicted for 150 years you can come back at any time.!… I really don’t know what Lloyd Evans was thinking when he made his comments!🤔
Will this year’s Regional Convention theme be: “Nothing is true, Everything is permitted.”?
I watched the Lloyd one too and I disagreed, I really think this is their biggest crazy change since overlapping bullshit generation, but that’s what makes life great .We can all discuss and debate and it’s all ok
Great explanation 😊thanks for your work 👍🇩🇪
Hey Wally at first a few years ago I thought of you just as a weird dude with painted finger nails but after watching most of your videos I have gained a lot of respect towards you. You are a great man taking your time to help others like myself 10 years ago to understand about life In general which is said because so many witnesses out there just don’t know and there afraid to watch anything involving jws lol 😂. I’m a Newfie lived in Alberta for 13 years of my life and moved home to Newfoundland with my family and we are all happy! Me and my wife just had a baby two days ago and I just want to say thanks for the video’s keep them up and hopefully more people will see and know the truth about the truth lol 😂 take care brother have a great day
You have a familiar last name. I've lived where you have too... Congrats on baby.
@@ramrod576 hey man I grew up in Marystown nl and moved away to Edmonton at 19 and moved back home in 2018 now living in red harbour just outside Marystown lol home is home by and I was making really good money and had lots of friends up in Edmonton had a house trucks,mustang, and a bunch of outdoor atvs and sleds but still did not feel like home after 13 years me and my son moved back home together. We didn’t have much when we came back but ourselves and a house my parents rented out to me but I met the most beautiful and intelligent woman I’ve ever seen or met and automatically fell in love with her now we have a family of three full time and her three children every weekend from her previous marriage as well but we all love eachother and I love all my kids including hers just as much as my own! God has really blessed me and maybe we know each other my name is Byron Holloway and my dad is Boyd Holloway he’s a famous artist back here on the rock he painted the largest mural on the grand bank museum in 2002 and it’s still there today. Largest at the time east of Manitoba lol take care friend
In that Lot’s story, so to this book God there were not even 10 innocent babies in that town when Abraham asked for to be saved!?😅what a joke! Why didn’t I realized this logic while indoctrinated😅Lot could’ve used a carriage to let at least 10 innocent little ones on it and leave that destruction if he acknowledged what Humanity is😮,saddest those guest angels didn’t advise to do it😢
That clip of Wally jumping was amazing
I'd like it better if Wally included outakes of the jump, that didn't quite go to plan. Come on, Wally, own up. Did it really take the one take???????😂
Here is what I can see happening, Wally. At some point I can see governments making a move against religion by enacting laws to punish abusive actions of cults; taking away religions' tax exempt, privileged status in society; and going full secular, treating just as every other secular institution without the special privileges and deference they currently enjoy. Coupled with this, there could be some damning exposes of the corruption and crimes practiced by certain religious institutions over the years resulting in many people leaving organized religions and becoming atheist or just practicing their own personal, independent kind of spirituality.
When this happens Watchtower will point at this series of events and say it's the fulfillment of the destruction of Babylon the great mentioned in Revelation. They will say Revelation is symbolic so it wasn't talking about literal destruction but the destruction of organized religions' privileged status and standing in society.
This kind of shenanigan would be straight out of the same playbook they used with their predictions for 1914 failed. They just said it's an invisible presence and sort of spiritualized everything.
Interesting thought. 🤔
That was fast. Love your commentary on it Wally, and Zeezy.
"Oops, I did it again.." - God
At what point will they ponder on the fact that all this new light might just equate to “wow, we are totally in some serious darkness”?
👏👏👏🌟Hi Wally! 👋👏👏👏👏👏🌟🌟☯️
All those unnecessary Armageddon nightmares as a child. Ive literally woken up crying from a dream having to say final goodbye to my father, who struggled with alcohol and had to stay behind and be destroyed 😭😭😭
2nd, those who died in the flood or in Sodom and Gormiah , have been judged and The Living Creator meant to wipe them out, he did not make any errors or mistakes in wiping out the people.
so we were taught that Jehovah knows the heart even before we were born. So why would he bring back folks he already destroyed? sound like they trying to say Jehovah makes mistakes ???? so weird.
Greetings from Zambia 🇿🇲 always a pleasure to be on this channel.and much love to the cat 😸
You are so handsome
@@nenala7684 Heyy thanks! ☺️🙏🏾
Hi thank you for your content x
As someone who still have contact with pimi(family) i get that point. I have asked them about these changes, most of them is like "god shows true love once again" and "we're not allowed to have an opinion about it". These changes are big for pimo, but i think that a pimi doesn't see it tbh. Only one more things that god is love and grateful to the borg...
No one is safe when Jehovah says Gee Willickers
I agree with you that this is a huge change for WT. One of the primary reasons for preaching used to be that when the end comes all of those who are not baptized JWs will be destroyed - in spite of the glaring lack of evidence (or even contrary evidence) for their claims. I think that a few consequences of this change in beliefs may be: (1) individual JWs will feel less urgency to go out in the ministry, (2) those associated with the WT will feel less pressured to get baptized, and (3) the WT and individual JWs will be more confident in admitting that they "do not know" about details regarding salvation. I think this is another small step in the WT drifting away from a religious dogma that is tribalistic. It also, very subtlety, acknowledges that for many non JWs there is just not enough evidence for their scriptural claims. I also do not think that any of these changes will affect the field ministry, because the door-to-door work seems pretty fruitless anyway.
With all of that being said, I truly believe that the reason these changes are being made is that the GB realizes they are bleeding members and it is not sustainable to go on with the current business model. They are slowly softening their stance on a number of issues that make the religion distasteful to so many people. They may shake things up and lose some members, but they are losing members now so what do they have to lose? I think they know that some drastic changes need to be made or they will start losing members every year.
Thank you and keep up the great work Wally.
Your mention of the hot stove reminded me of their often-used 'proof' that we don't go to hell - "would a loving father hold his child's hand over a hotplate?" It made sense until you also asked, "would a loving father also kill 185,000 Assyrians in one night, or all the people around the world who Noah never bothered to preach to?"
So when I was in I was told the preaching work would switch to a judgement message where we were going out and telling everybody they’d been judged. So I’m guessing this will no longer be the case in the JW belief system?
Nope, the "good news" will continue till the end. They will not risk switching to "judgement and doom" and then have that running for a decade.
All of the GB members are older, old enough to remember the very strict ways how to survive Armageddon and/or be faithful enough to be resurrected. I can't believe they ALL started re-thinking this. No wonder Tony Morris left, not saying that's why but these changes are a 180° turn on what Witnesses used to believe
I believe what Lloyd is saying is "If god kills you now, kills you after watching you beg for forgiveness or waits to kill you after a 4 hour slide show of your life's choices, you are still are killed that day" so it not a drastic change in watchtower's doctrine according to Lloyd. Thus watchtower is just muddling the water so some people think they can return to the fold after leaving. Basically throwing a line to former believers to pump up the number of active tithing members. I could be wrong but that is what I take away from Lloyd's perspective.
I heard lloyd evans clip. You are both right analytically. I enjoy all sides of opinion. I think lloyd is atheist. You may be as well. As of right now i am agnostic. I will pray to my children in jesus name. But that is about it.
Thank you for everything you do wally! Always appreciated. Fix your heater and have a good ass day.
Okay but when you literally jumped up and down. 😂😂
How dare you not agree with Loyd Evan’s you are going to hell for this . 😂
They don't know nothing😂. Actially you read the WT and you are as clueless as before😂. Interesting, how many times they say: "we don't know".
The GB has never known...they are liars
That doggone WT boring magazine is the same stuff over and over and recycled through the years with the New Light pressed in here and there. I used to try so hard to keep alert and awake during those studies; the boring guy at the podium reading in a monotone voice asking a question, the guy with the microphone jogging to a seated sister who would grab it while he still handled it, the fart rippp noise it would make, the overly long answer, me thinking, Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up and get through the paragraph! It was awful. And if you got up to take your child to the restroom everyone would glare at you so sometimes you’d stay in your seat and just focus out the window on a pigeon walking around the lot, daydreaming, wondering if the pigeon’s neck ever ached from all that head motion, then you’d get the giggles, then the kids would think you wanted to play so they’d start to laugh until the husband (the “Head”) would look at us as if he’d kill us, then we’d start again...the brother with the mic running to the same lady...oh god!!! Awful!
@@christinesotelo7655THANKS A MILLION FOR LAUGH 😂 😂😂
Thank you Wally for all your good work. I initially agreed with Lloyd Evans, but on reflection, and after hearing about the latest leaked information on the Watchtower’s 10 year plan to reform themselves, I think this ‘new light’ may well be a precursor to them changing the rules on the treatment of disfellowshiped people. Time will tell.
People still listen to Loyd Evan’s 😂
Soon, he'll post his umpteenth video demanding more subscribers, more members and, of course, much more money which he can then squander. To think he still views himself as the créme de la créme and the leading (or, as he would think, only) spokesman for formed witnesses! He really is involved with himself. And, here, I thought it was just a summer thing.
HE is suppose to be perfect so come one Watchtower. Those folks were judged already. The rest of us left have not been judged.
I feel that Jehovah would read people's heart condition once the Great Tribulation starts, jumping back in to save yourself doesn't feel right to me anyway.
I remember when I was a child asking an elder about this. I asked, What about the people who live in jungles or islands where they don’t come in contact with anyone, they’ll die too? I was told they would and not to ask questions like that. I think about it all the time.
So do I ,did Noah come to Australia to pick up the animals and preach to the people, he could have at least wrote a diary about his travels, so we don't have to ask??? All Bulla Macow Pick Pick 😊
Crazy how they can judge a bunch of ppl especially when one of the head elder is out buying 800 in liquor. He's been disfellowshipped but he was literally one of the ones that also said something about tight pants. It's Absolutely hypocritical to say anything like this
So the new "light'" is something "we don't know for sure"? Interesting.
Time will tell what these changes will mean. I certainly don't want to hear what 'that person' has to say about it.
i understand both pov’s, i definitely think that this is great we can now wait for evidence and live normally, however my parents said that jehovah in the end would know your thoughts and and it wouldn’t matter anyway because you essentially knew what was right anyway. Maybe that’s what lloyd means giving that a lot of jws think similar to my parents, especially their hall
It IS big deal, but more so for me because of what the adjustment says about "Jehovah." As a PIMI, I looked at every study session as an opportunity to "draw close to God." There are things in the Bible that make you question why God did what he did, but the thought stopping excuse that got me through those doubts was that Jehovah does not make mistakes in judgment. He read hearts so if he caused someone's death, it was because there was no hope for them. It lessened the sickening feeling I had when reading about women and children being slaughtered at God's hand or direction. That is now gone. What they are now saying means that Jehovah knowingly ended innocent people's lives. Children. Infants. The unborn. How is this a loving God? A merciful God? A God you can trust?
In addition to that line of reasoning, the Bible itself states that God found no one righteous or worthy of saving in Noah's day and in Sodom and Gomorrah. So the GB now says the opposite. There COULD have been some who were redeemable, but God killed them anyway and he'll bring them back so it's ok. They are literally disregarding the Bible they claim to follow to the letter! What does the Bible REALLY teach, indeed. 🙄
If JWs see this as an opportunity to slack off without feeling guilt, then good. But I sure hope this wacky theology wakes people up so they can break free of the indoctrination not only the JWs, but the Bible and religion as a whole. It's toxic and divisive.
Greetings from South Africa ❤❤,
My JW friend (the only one that speaks to me despite my apostasy) says we do not understand Jehovah and He can do anything He likes, that Jehovah can change his mind like a chameleon 1000 times.
I struggled with this question all the time when I was a JW. Even Christian denominations generally do not have an justified answer for this in my opinion. One of the many reasons I am no longer Christian.
Naw u ain't bugging 😂
I agree with u Wally
You could also ask "What if the Flat Earthers are right?"
Can you imagine dropping off the face of the earth like an ant off a pizza? Nah. I like the idea we live in a nice big bouncy cozy ball. LOL
Just another distraction leading to destruction.
@@francesgreist4979 ooo...you’re in a sunny mood!
If Jehovah is willing I will be having this conversation once released with my former Bible teacher to see where he stands. Its ironic since he's the only one wants me to come back to the organization.
I had exactly the same reaction to Lloyds comment. Its not that weird to be unimpressed, Feeling the need to instruct others they are wrong is bizarre.
They professed their false prophesies through the literature they published luring in people at the same time who were eventually exploited and manipulated to their benefit and sustenance $$$
Being an active JWS is in fact sharing in their sins, which by god's viewpoint is just as condemning ( Revelation 20:10 )
Thats a terrible punishment burning a child's hand😢
The Socieities often repeated "new light" surprisingly seems to match up with the need to pick up new members or when they have a problem getting people to join up. This not only goes back to C. T. Russell when he sgtarted it up, it also happened during his reign. Also happens there with every other leader or group of leaders who come in. Also happens repeatedly with their leaders when they have a bump in the road. Didn't start with C. T. Russell, and old C. T. made changes when the Adventist group (Millerites) he originally ran with then ran into their bumps in the road with their apocalyptic teachings from the mid 1800's, and thus begn the 7th Day and the Bible Students. It is a long story that started not long after C. T., it continues until today and the changes to their obvious errors are found no longer satisfactory to their rank and file, but they take action, for the most part, only when their income drops. Then, they wait for the drop off off, hope to gain new members, and hope the people stuck on what they find unacceptible and leave or die off. I can guarantee you, there would be many many unhappy witnesses from early 1975.
You'reright, it changes everything.
Your example of the blood transfusion person what spot on and shows how mental it all is 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫🙃