As usual, I agree with your comments. I liked how you flashed 180 Degrees of Longitude Passes Through Us at the end. I admit I do like the NC scenes and adult themes in BL. However, if that is all you got then I am not going to continue to watch. Looking at shows Bad Buddy, KP, Not Me they had an interesting script, good acting, AND well done NC scenes. And as a result these shows will continue to get views well into the future. IMHO shows like Check Out and Unforgotten Night will soon be forgotten by the majority of the BL fandom. Hopefully producers and directors will learn the right lesson but color me doubtful. And finally, loved your comment about GMMTV ;-)
180° was good it's just that it was a sad ending check out we got so hyped about the zero episode I hate to say this but some checkout need shorter episodes I think if it has shorter episodes it would have been a better series I think because of the pandemic we wait too long to do a series n the chemistry faded between the actors Unforgotten night they can't kiss worth a damn but I still love the story and they did hype up the raunchy scenes too much
I completely agree with whatever you said!!! Kinnporsche is a masterpiece and its not only bcz of their NC scenes but bcz of an amazing plot, acting, production, cinematography and etc... I agree that seeing two lovers ending their love confession with high five is not what we want (cough cough 2gether) but if you want to make a mature themed BL then DON'T ONLY FOCUS ON NC SCENES BUT ALSO OTHER ASPECTS LIKE ACTING AND ESPECIALLY PLOT!!! And for me the only BLs of 2022 that I still consider good and watchable are Kinnporsche, Bad Buddy and Not Me(which gmmtv fucked it but was still good)... Other bls are still a fail for me till now...let's see how this year ends though...lol
Wow, only those three? you don't think Triage was good? and what about Love mechanics ? I really enjoyed it and was very happy they finally made the long version 😍
GMMTV did not do justice by not me at all I am so surprised and so happy that the actors gave 100% And the s***** circumstances that they was given I cannot believe they did that
My thoughts exactly. While I do agree that NC scenes can make an already good series even better, I have just seen too many nc scenes, god even kiss scenes, where it is just so blatantly obvious that they don't feel comfortable doing it thus making them so uncomfortable to watch and ruin the whole series (i was especially thrown off by plan in love by chance s2, no hate intended just one of many examples). Honestly, if the actors can't kiss just don't shoot the scene. I hate how it has basically become mandatory for an bl to sell.
I agree, both Plan, and Mean couldn't hide their extreme discomfort in having to show affection between the characters of Can and Tin in LBC1 and LBC2.
@@VixenByNight72 Yess TT I really liked the series and the ship but their acting in romantic and intimate scenes just threw me off so bad I skipped most of them.
I think rather than remove the NC scene because the actor isn't comfortable doing them, just remove the actor. KinnPorsche and Love in The Air is mentioned in a lot of these recap videos because the actors acted the scene according to the script. That is what they are supposed to do. Script says kiss so they kiss. Script says the characters will be intimate, so they act out intimacy. It's silly though to classify a passionate kiss as NC. KP and LITA went further than a passionate kiss, I agree, but Bad Buddy kisses were passionate. Passionate and super great because Ohm and Nanon read the script.
Just like you said, with the land mark KP let in the BL industry more shows will try to copie some of the aspects of the show including the NC scenes, but if they'll be able to leave their name on the BL hall of Fame is another. I have nothing against NC scenes, i really enjoyed watching the when are well made and make sense to the character doing it and if contribute to the plot of the show. If I wanted to see people making out or fucking without reason I would go watch p*rn. The minimum i expected from a seires, even if the storyline is a simple one is a decent script, is that to hard to ask for??
This is an excellent point. Bad Buddy wasted no opportunity for Ohm to be shirtless because eye-candy speaks for itself. But let's break down his shower scene in ep 5, just ahead of the rooftop scene. We do not get the camera panning up and down Ohm's chiseled physique, a shot touring an actor's wet torso being typical to most Bl shower scenes. (Compare the TOTS shower scene by the same director, which exists primarily to showcase water drizzling down Earth's chiseled physique.*) We do get Ohm in shadow, his chiseled physique shrouded in darkness. (Compare every other scene of Ohm shirtless.) While innumerable reactors greeted that sequence with some variation of "Oh, Ohm has his shirt off again," that scene isn't selling sex appeal; and the shower is hardly gratuitous. Pat has just drunkenly confronted Pran and fought with Wai in the process. He is still trying to process the self-realizations regarding his attraction to Pran that power the whole episode. A shower to clear the mind, to enhance sobriety, and to cool down is a wholly appropriate action for someone to take before seeking to make amends with those he recently offended. Shrouding him in darkness is a neat cinematographic trick to signify his confusion. In other words, that shower scene fits the story context and serves a story purpose. And it is shot and lit in a way that serves that purpose without gratuitously sexualizing the actor or the character. To me, it exemplifies the kind of scene Larissa asks "contribute to the plot of the show." Most scenes we label as "NC" should be able to make similar contributions to the plot, even if they go farther than this one. (*--even in this "gratuitous" TOTS scene, Aof is such a skillful director that the camera panning across Earth's chiseled physique has a purpose. In context, Tian is observing Chief Phupa shower. The camera movement thus mimics Tian's gaze. Indeed, cross-cuts to Tian depict the effect wet Phupa has on Tian--the editing draws the viewer into Tian's titillation. Most BLs just toss a character in the shower, and the camera follows the progress of the water across torsos for no reason other than the titillation of the viewer. While one may still question whether Phupa really needed a shower while Tian stood by, whether the production team needed a set that featured an outdoor shower with minimal privacy, or whether the shower necessitated onscreen portrayal, at least Aof made the effort for his camera movement to make sense.)
@@VixenByNight72 haha. If so, I'd forgotten that. Or maybe at the time I was distracted by soap suds coursing across Earth's chiseled physique? That would certainly undermine my defense of that scene and put it squarely back into the category of "needlessly gratuitous." Then again, if one is selling body wash, it only makes sense to demonstrate the product in action...
I totally agree. NC scene does not make the show good. If the plot, storyline and acting are terrible then the show sucks. I hated Check Out. The initial episode was good and I thought they would follow that but what they put out was ridiculous. I couldn't even get through Cutie Pie. And I amd trying to get through Fahlanruk and Ai Long Nai but the kissing and acting at times is ridiculous. Stories like Bad Buddy, The Eclipse even Vice Versa are captivating. Yhey have interesting storyline. Great chemistry and good acting. And they have no NC scenes and I love them. While KinnPorsche did have NC scenes, as everyone has said the NC scenes was not what made the show great. It was the story the chemistry the acting the production everything rolled up into one.
I understand that people have an issue that the ending was sad. I very much agree. But I fully believe the ending was realistic and that improved the quality of the series (to me). I don't think Wang saying "Bye Mom, okay now which clothes closet is mine?" to In would have been, again, realistic.
@@ronhilton9614 Just because it's sad doesn't mean that I hate it. I could sense that the series would have sad ending form the first couple episodes, but the ending is more than I expected. All was so beautifully put. I really love this series, this is the 2nd series that could make me cry. My heart just needs some time before I can rewatch it ☺
@@rinawahyuningsih1234 Oh no, I wasn't assuming you hated it. Sad=realistic, happy=realistic is all good, I just want believable and acceptable. Which sounds like BLs may not be for me ! ha ha
For me the ending wasn't sad. It was predictable. What disappointed me in the ending was that not one of those characters progressed. They all returned to their miserable existence. At least one of them should have been able to break out otherwise what was the point. The stellar acting couldn't pull that abysmal ending out.
I like a GOOD NC scene, and they've been scarce so far this year. Right now, it seems like every BL is trying to outdo KinnPorsche. Good luck with that. I agree with you that Love in the Air is the only one that's been successful with NC scenes so far. I hope the pendulum will swing back the other way. Adding sex scenes simply to push the envelope can't elevate crappy BLs. They're still meh. (I'm looking at you, Check Out). I'd rather see fewer NC scenes and have them done well. (I see you got my response in time to add my comment to the video. Am I famous now? LOL)
Well put, J Scott, and agreed on. KP did NC right. I also like a hot NC scene (being human) but not tossing it in, like you said, to elevate crappy BLs.
I agree with everything said in this video. I'd also like to add sexual harassment where characters make uncomfortable advances to the MC cz he's hot (Rak Diao). The fujoshi trying to get too hot guys together is also annoying as hell. I still stand by the fact that story is king
@@the1LB Hi, The Alicia Effect, I like your stance on sexual harassment. Wondering whether you're watching The Eclipse? And, if so, how you feel about the way in which Aye has courted Akk? Cute? Not cute?
@@johnmaster3748 Thanks... I am biased cz I love Khaotung so I enjoy seeing him act. I feel like he did what he had to do, otherwise Akk would have taken longer to accept him. We are missing a chunk of time btw Aye being depressed and wanting to take revenge, to him liking Akk and deciding to pursue him. But I love FirstKhao so I honestly think they are cute
I feel you on big dragon I felt like from the first episode I'm bored like the chemistry ain't there same happened with nitiman they hyped it up so much it sucked ass that the actors had no chemistry you have to convince your job is convince me that you're in love with the person that's your partner which is a guy and they can't do that
One final thought, speaking of series that eschew or minimize skinship but nevertheless leave an impression that lasts a long time. How'd y'all enjoy *Heartstopper* and *Young Royals* ? Just asking. Update: < 2 weeks for Season 2 of YR.
I await Y R 2 and I will celebrate with Royal Jelly on my toasted Danish. It has interesting characters, a good story and had some ...dare I say it...hot make-out scenes. I need to get back to Heartstopper when I get caught up.
Speaking of PP and Billkin, they appeared prominently in the product sponsorship spots for Vice Versa, hawking Lay's products. (Usually at the bump leading ep x 4/4). Does thwt mean the duo landed at GMMTV after their prior company dissolved?
Huh. I didn't know their company dissolved. Will GMMTV know what to do with them? Will they give them good, well-written, mature series to film? It is GMMTV so I have my doubts.
it is known fact that gmmtv is trying to woo Bk PP with their variety programs and all.. but i have my doubts whether their style of series fit them.. i can't see them doing something like Enchante or Vice Versa. Tbh Nadao had their own close set of directors and script writers and almost all were graduates from Nitade Chula ( College of Comm. Arts, Chulalongkorn University) and some are still faculty members. Hence, they had their own closed team.. and they'd focus heavily on script and all the other directors would give their own inputs on a particular series, hence, it'd be a collective effort. And not to miss, most are active members of Chula theatre.. and we saw what a theatre director can do with 3 actors and one set in 180 degrees longitude..
Everything you say is correct but somehow for me as a viewer I do look for the context and the flow of storyline of the actors maybe the NC scene is just a bonus, but when I feel and get board on how the storyline goes with bad acting I immediately stop watching it coz it’s not worth it to watch. The viewer may come and go but mostly the character they will remember because of the good chemistry they build on even the series is not as good as you prepared. One thing I’m sure about is that how popular the actors or how they promote and patronize the series that became big or huge hit to the actors and the company.
Hello BLC, John Master, and David Means. Great minds all thinking alike. I laughed out loud over "who sleeps in their Jeans?". I also like watching the naughty bits in a BL but not if they are presented in a gratuitous manner. Though that is common. I feel like I am being condescended to when there are NC scenes and no good story to back them up.
I quite agree with Ron. Too often it seems as if writers and directors chuck the racy scenes into the story because they think they have to rather than because it makes sense for the story. On the other hand, I bet all of us could use the word "gratuitous" in this discussion as a marker of a bad scene; yet, maintain completely different notions of what we meant by that term while nonetheless believing ourselves 100% in agreement with the others. That's how slippery this topic is.
@@johnmaster3748 Crazy timing! I just minutes ago spoke to my friend who is a bartender at Petco Park! Yes, people are going ape__ and they are also spending money. He is averaging $500 to $1000 a night. I only pay attention because of him and all the brawls in the news.
Waking up to a full-on rant by Mr Critic? Yes, please! One question: what is entailed by "make sure [any NC scenes] are good"? 1:17. What comprises "shooting with great care"? 1:41. Care for what? If Big Dragon's NC scene "was not done right" what was wrong with it and how do you do one right?* 2:27 I said I had only one question, but I think that multi point paragraph above really asks only one: what elements make for a successful erotic scene in a televised/streamed production? And I ask the question because I believe we viewers will not share a common answer: our motives for watching BL are too different. Which suggests, maybe the issue is more complicated than we as individuals believe? *--Big Dragon has aired only two episodes, and the offending bit of "not done right" sexplay was contained to ep 1. So, don't steal future thunder from some future review by prematurely ejaculating a scathing critique of this work in progress. But the others: fair game.
What elements make a successful erotic (NC) scene in a BL? I altered the question a bit because I think some elements might change depending on the genre. This point is a whole other conversation that I will table for now and stick to answering the question. 1) Chemistry between the actors portraying their characters. I need to believe they actually are into each other. 2) Mechanics of the scene itself. Being mindful of censors again, are "things" in the right place and does it flow well. Editing here really makes a difference. Payu's underwear didn't bother me because of how men's underwear works. I can buy it due to the frantic nature of the coupling. If Rain was spotted wearing underwear than that would pull me out of the scene. 3) Mood. Lighting and color are important. Does it add to the vibe? Is the background music so loud that you cannot hear the actors? 4) Real kisses. A kiss is the basic element. If those do not look real then the rest of the scene feels off. 5) Story progression. Is it a "gratuitous"* scene or is pertinent to the story? NC scenes that bring growth between the couple are key. Otherwise you end up with Check Out. This is what I focus on during BL NC scenes. I do not watch BL for NC scenes alone. I do enjoy them if they are well done and make sense for the characters. Cherry Magic remains one of my favorite BLs and there was not even an on screen kiss. However, I believed in the magic of a 30 year old virgin because the writing and acting were excellent. *See John Master's comment under Ron Hilton's post
@@deborahw2770 holy moly! A detailed, substantive answer! Thank you, Deborah, for giving the discussion a baseline. Alternate formulations still welcome, of course! But did Deborah miss anything YOU, Gentle Reader, seek out in a NC scene for a BL?
@@johnmaster3748 You are most welcome. I hope other people comment as well. I intentionally left off visuals i.e. attractiveness of the actors from my list. I am really interested in other viewpoints.
It's worth pointing out that the adoption by BL Fandom of the "NC" concept already misuses what the label actually describes in context. This misuse waters down the standard of true "NC" content (which in films denotes full frontal nudity and explicit sex acts) by applying it to television series which were never going to approach the levels of racy content permissible in cinema but not via public airwaves. Furthermore, what passes as "too explicit" varies culturally, and "NC" for Asian tv/streaming represents a much lower threshold than the term was created to describe. Flashing ass onscreen is *absolutely, positively nowhere close* to NC content in its original context. Whereas U.S. mainstream film studios do everything in their power to avoid an actual NC-17 rating (which makes a film nigh unmarketable), BL Fandom celebrates the label for its supposed liberation from stuffy norms. Marketing of BL series for "NC content," relies on this audience expectation "racy content ahead" even though that content is drastically watered down from the term's original meaning. NC-17? No, nearly all BL falls short of the R rating, in fact. Since the international audience and the younger American audience may be unfamiliar with the original context, perhaps a brief primer will help. Most notably, the term has *nothing whatsoever to do with television* as it exists to categorize motion pictures exhibited in public cinemas. In the United States, regulation of motion pictures is not done by the government (because, free speech). Instead, the film industry monitors itself (self-censorship) so that Congress keeps its nose out of Hollywood's business. Their literal business $$$, as it were, which is to sell movie tickets. Originally devised in the early 1970s, the current regime grades any film based on *how appropriate its content is for children* . At first the regime included four categories: G, PG, R, X. General (G-rated) were safe for even the smallest of children. This category became stigmatized as "kiddie film" territory or "Disney" film territory. Over time, studios learned audiences avoided G films because they assumed it was too simple. (No self-respecting 7 year-old will admit to wanting to see a kiddie G film--even if, secretly, they desperately want to go!) Parental Guidance indicated a film was appropriate for children but parents ought to monitor what their child was prepared for. Perhaps some portions may be too intense for small children. Restricted movies were presumed to contain material unsuitable for children. The label restricted cinemas from selling tickets to minors unless accompanied by parents. (Thus sneaking into R-rated movies became a rite of passage for my generation.) Finally, the X rating was applied to films so adult in nature that ticket buyers had to be 18 for admission. The X rating so limited the potential audience that theater chains refused to book them. All porn films were, by definition, unsuitable for children, and they always carried the X rating. In fact, they used the supposed stigma to their advantage in advertising. The "XXX" label on VHS boxes is not a real category but a marketing ploy to suggest the film in the box is even filthier than normal! In the half-century since its introduction, only two changes have occurred. PG-13 came along to differentiate that some films may be fine for teens but too intense for pre-teens; yet, also not so bad they need an R. [The over-the-top "gross-out" bits in the second Indiana Jones movie single-handedly brought this label into existence.] Later, NC-17 was created as a buffer between R and X. But it's really two different labels for the same thing. X = 18 and over may buy tickets. NC-17 = No Children 17 and Under may buy tickets. In terms of the nudity and explicitness of sex scenes in these movies there may be no difference. But X had come to signify cheap production values and tawdry depictions of sex. High class filmmakers sometimes wanted to include explicit material in actual, proper movies. These artists did not want their work lumped in with the "garbage" X had come to signify. NC-17 films are art first--they happen to include sex. X films were and are excuses to string sex scenes together. Story is irrelevant. Production values, an afterthought. But like the X, an NC-17 label limits potential audiences. Family friendly cinemas seldom agree to exhibit those films--and studios often contractually require directors to deliver an edit of the film that fits under the R rating. Seldom, in its proper context, is an NC-17 rating a selling point. Quite the contrary. When BL audiences appropriate "NC" to describe sex scenes in a BL, that is the baggage the term brings along. In reality, a typical BL NC scene tends to be PG-13, not even R. At least, if the material was intended to be shown in cinemas--which it never really is, after all. None of this rating system has ever applied to television. Unlike films, US television actually is subject to government regulation (the FCC in the US). Most R rated material won't make it on to broadcast TV. Cable and streaming has more leeway, but, even there, companies trying to capture mass market subscribers keep away from anything too explicit. Sites can and do cater to those niche audiences, but the expectation is the subscriber understands their purchase. So, describing BL as containing NC scenes is doubly out of place. First, it waters down the actual meaning of the term y being far tamer than an actual NC-17 movie. Second, it uses a label never meant for television productions. Of course, as a signifier of "racy content ahead," calling attention to NC scenes in BL does work. Even if none of us quite knows exactly what should be included.
Esteemed Film Historian John, sorry for the delay. I had to dig through my closet for a hat so i could tip it. You educate us but also help some of us remember the structure of things. Studios used to strive to avoid the X rating as the "kiss of death" at the box office. I am told of the struggle over the Richard Dreyfuss film "Inserts" in the 70s, as one of many examples, to be anything but X-rated. And yes, the meaning of NC in relationship to BLs is not accurate at all.
That was a master class in the film ratings system in the United States!! I think studios don’t want films to get NC-17 is many newspapers and tv stations will not take advertising for these films because they are not for a ‘family audience’. And when R rated movies are shown on traditional broadcast tv they usually cut it for a PG audience (example is Saturday Night Fever with John Travolta). Thanks again for the great primer!!
Fans of Mr Critic should by all means check out Ms Mama's video this week on shipping culture, a topic we have explored here. Good work yourself, BL Mama50!
I have no problem with a lot of NC scenes or just a simple kiss at the end of 12 eps. My problem with a lot of these series is an COMPLETE LACK of chemistry and/ acting skills. cough! 👀TinCan & SawaratTine👀. This is what makes or breaks a show for me. This is why i loved shows like WRU (MC), SCOY (MC), MODC(All couples), Cherry Magic (MC), ITSAY, UMWA (All couples) Goldenblood (Side couple), Crossing the line (MC) and more not because of their spiciness or lack there of, but because i felt DANG! these couples got it bad for each other.
What "makes" a pairing for me, in ANY sort of drama, comedy, mini-series, indie movie, or feature film, is that I need to feel like those characters are so drawn towards one another, that they cannot keep themselves from glancing at one another. There's a feeling of anticipatory excitement, at knowing they will see each other again. That they're constantly thinking about the other. That they secretly smile, whenever they're in the presence of the other.
@@VixenByNight72 Spoken like a true romantic. I call myself a cynical romantic which for me is not a contradiction. Now how do we get these opinions to the BL writers?
@@ronhilton9614 I don't know. At times, I feel like some of these BL writers, are creating these stories, as a way to place whatever may have happened in their own personal lives regarding their gender, sex/sexuality, and having "straight guys" going through it, as some sort of therapeutic release for them.
@@VixenByNight72 I think this way in watching videos in and outside BLs. I don't know that this is a bad thing, perhaps it is a natural catharsis. Just keep in mind "respect your audience". I suppose I could say that on a million subjects!
PREACH! These current ongoing BLs are so lackluster. Like Jesus what's happening. I watched ep 1 of big dragon and doubled the speed. So because a guy goes on a date with a girl you like you decide to drug him and record what happens between you for God knows what. AilongNhai, you get drunk and sleep with a guy because you're heartbroken? Like what the hell is with the plot. I even gave up on Love in the air after some episodes because I was like what else to watch 🤷. I also watched the first episode of the second couple and dropped it also. I would literally watch a good bl with good plot even if they don't kiss, take Cherry Magic the Japanese bl fr example. The only bl I'm watching is To sir, with love. Atleast there's drama to keep me on my toes.
@@blcritic Khun Chai/To Sir With Love, as the kids say, "Is Delivering!!". Great storylines, interesting characters (even the annoying Chan and her ridiculous sidekick), and two couples that I personally want to see HEAs!!
Sadly, I think we will continue to use the fantasy of NC (especially when "Uncut" is also used to promote those series), in order to bring viewers to initially watch the first episode or two. If what's been produced gains that viewer's interest, they'll have a fan. If not, that series is dropped, or "hate watched", because the viewer wants to participate in the social aspect of interacting with other viewers, who are also watching to rag on the series. 😉 😜 I'm not sure, if we will ever get another series like "180 Degrees" again, but I am hopeful that we will possibly get more varieties of BL dramas, that can be centered on more mature, older characters, and their lives, including their sex lives, in the years to come. We will NEVER not have the BL based in a high school/college setting. That's never, ever going to go away. These production companies have to make sure, that they continue to maintain the upcoming future audiences, as the age from pre-teens to college aged students. 😃 😊 I think that there is always the possibility of more quality that can be produced, with these series, and yes, I'm also including the topic of "NC" or sex scenes, because to paraphrase the late George Michael, "Sex IS natural. Sex IS fun!"
What?! Hate watching a series merely to engage socially in a kind of collective ragging over its flaws? To nitpick its shortcomings? To lament squandered potential? Surely, no-one we know has ever done such a thing! But you're a real cutie pie for floating such an outlandish notion.
On a more substantive note, I think using the NC scenes as a selling point distresses me more than their presence. Especially when inclusion of such scenes serves no functional purpose. In Bad Buddy 11, seeing Pat and Pran wake up together in bed, then Pran asking nervously whether he had been any good the previous night carried a stronger impact because the viewer had NOT been privy to those moments. Had an earlier scene depicted that entanglement, the on-screen portrayal would have blunted the impact of Pran's insecurity. Some things are best left to individual imagination. Good material sells itself. No skinship needed.
Quoting George Michael! I'm glad you brought up "Uncut" as you did. It's a scam to me outright. Am I saying I never fall for it...well. I love that you brought up "hate watched". I thought this was something I was just overly suspicious about. I don't mind the blue shorts series if there are always the manly men stories to create a semblance of balance. I enjoyed your post.
@@johnmaster3748 "Especially when inclusion of such scenes serves no functional purpose." Exactly. Sometimes, it feels like, some of those scenes are added justvto appease the readers of the BL story (manwha, fan fiction, etc.) that know exactly which part had a sex scene in the book. So, if episode 1 or 2, didn't have a scene, in which the main couple are almost about to tongue each other down, then the screenwriter knows that they have to write a scene in episode 3, to tease the audience to keep on watching. That their hunger, will indeed be fed in that episode. Or someone had mentioned on MDL, that the screenwriters, "count every number of pages of the story, and then say to themselves 'add a sex scene on pages 15, 30, 45, 60, etc.' because they know that it's expected from those fans." Like in the recent TV adaption of the Korean manwha, "Cherry Blossoms After Winter", when that series was initially premiering, the comments that I came across on the MDL page for that series, were some (not all) viewers in anticipatory GLEE, that there would be scenes of "naughtiness" between Tae Sung, having his way with Hae Bom. When those scenes didn't happen, some folks (not all) were annoyed that those scenes weren't included, and dismissed the series as "less than the manwha". After I watched the entire series, and thoroughly enjoyed it, and the portrayals by the lead actors, Kang Hui, and Ok Jin Uk, I found the manwha. I was relieved that the screenwriters/director chose to not be as true to the original story, because frankly, after the first two volumes of the story, it was basically just scenes of Tae Sung ravishing Hae Bom, without giving him a chance to breathe.
If a BL is set in a high school universe and has one kiss and its mediocre but the plot, acting, etc are good, then ok I'm not gonna complain too much. Especially if the characters are written as sexually inexperienced. I don't need a kiss or NC scene at all if the rest is excellent like Cherry Magic. But if a BL is advertised as hi heat, then cast actors with chemistry even if it's not the two top actors visually. And make sure before they're signed, that they can kiss and be physical with each other in a way that's believable. I'm not expecting a make out session during auditions but take the top choices and ask them to kiss each other, hug, etc and see which actors can easily do it in a realistic way. Sometimes I think some actors are better at NC is because they're not 18 year olds with limited sexual experience. They understand what it means and how it feels when you act upon strong sexual desire so they can act the part. And it drives me flipping crazy when some sexy scene is filmed with blinding bright lights when the scene is supposed to be at night. Sure people have sex with the lights on sometimes but not with bedrooms lit up like an airport runway!
A collection of random thoughts in no particular order... The source material for Big Dragon does not leave much to work with. The novel is essentially smut with very little character growth and a ridiculous male pregnancy plot device. I am surprised my iPad survived. Mame writes toxic story lines and flawed characters. Consent is dubious or not present. Stalking and refusing to respect boundaries are the pathway to love. Men's mental health issues is solved by the love of the Top. She writes traumatized characters well but the fix is sex aka love without actual treatment. Sky (Love in the Air) has serious trauma which goes untreated. Rain and Payu's story is the least toxic of her works that I have seen/read which is saying something. Check Out was painful to watch. Zero chemistry. No story progression. Unforgotten Night was hilarious intentionally or unintentionally. It is the Thai version of a telenovela. The BDSM elements were not believable or interesting. Did they even try to Google bondage? Again, Fahlanruk's source material is not much to begin with either. It contains a non-consent scene which is glossed over and not dealt with appropriately. I hope the drama leaves it out. The ML's do not have enough chemistry to carry the story. Hopefully, BL Producers and Directors will learn from series like Check Out. You can have a successful BL without NC scenes. Ideally, I want the best of both worlds. I want "good" NC scenes in the context of excellent acting, masterful direction, and a well written script. Is that too much to ask for? Maybe.
DMR2006 has some thoughts about how (and why) source material gets altered during adaptation for the screen. (It's in the replies to her original post, not her original post proper.) I feel like that discussion very much fits the spirit of your random thoughts. The example she used was Cherry Blossoms After Winter.
I feel for all the actors, who were unfortunately under contract for the completion of the series, "Check Out". Something happened between the production/concept of episode 0, to the bastardization of what was produced for the full season. Maybe the producers thought that everyone who watched episode 0 was just in it for the sex? For me, I was interested in seeing, how these two characters, Daonuea and Nine, could end up reconnecting with one another, after their initial connection, while on holiday. In the series, they didn't even seem like the same characters from the pilot episode.
@@VixenByNight72 Exactly. I really enjoyed episode 0. I felt like I was watching a completely different story with the main drama. The magic and chemistry were gone.
@@VixenByNight72 I likewise hope producers and directors learn something when a series like Check Out fizzles. And WERE those the same characters from O on!?
@@ronhilton9614 They only shared the same names as those characters on Episode O. They were totally different characters in the series. That's my belief.
Mediocrity not just limited to those with no scenes- So disappointed with GMmtv series Vice Versa and the Exlipse- both had interesting premises but seemed to forget about it to concentrate on repetitive fan service, long stares, gay panic, - again and again. Your comments on Big Dragon are on point- it and Unforgettable night are so badly acted, scripted etc that they are kind of funny to watch in small doses
I cannot begin to describe how disheartening it is to see "gay panic" listed as a trope BL producers include because they believe viewers will regard it as fan service. A selling point? Yuck. Worse, I suddenly think I've not appreciated this tendency previously. It's one thing for a character to be shown as confused about his sexuality or struggling with his own internalized homophobia. That's quite common among young adults. It's quite another if that anguish exists merely to sate audience appetite without any meaningful exploration of how and wh the self-doubt exists. First gay panics his way through nearly every episode of The Eclipse and, those actions have struck me as hollower than normal. Because "they exist not for character development or story reasons but instead for audience amusement" strikes me as the plausible reason why. Good correlation to this video's main topic.
@@johnmaster3748 I also am keenly aware of gay panic as opposed to just trying to figure out ones identity. Thank you for bringing it up for people who will understand this or at least try to.
@@johnmaster3748 now i know what gay panic means after being on this channel so long and then googling words but earlier i used to always wonder why the main lead and his confusion about his sexuality was made fun of or used to create laughter. In reality, it must be very difficult for individuals to accept that they are gay different from other people. We live in a society where any deviation from the norm is not accepted easily.
@@zahrabjinu Thank you for looking up words when they lie outside your personal experience. Just Dave and I both tossed the expression about without defining it because we assume everyone grasps the concept. Just Dave's original objection was at the frequency with which BL series rely on the trope of gay panic. It's real, but so are homophobic parents, and too many series choose that route as well. My supplementary point is about inauthenticity. Namely, when gay panic is deployed as an entertainment device for the amusement of the audience without any real exploration of its origins, means of resolving or ameliorating it, or getting support. What's missing is character study or character development. That's why it feels hollow. Actually, Aye telling Akk "it's ok, I will wait for you" would be quite a supportive thing...except Aye keeps pushing him to reciprocate, hitting on him for a kiss, and badgering him about his feelings even after clearly being told no. NO MEANS NO. Even when you are a fictional character in a made-up scenario, no means no. In the middle of the judo class, while they square off on the mat Aye complains "I'm waiting to hear your feelings." (Ep 8) That's not cute. Not romantic. Not supportive. Not "waiting" for Akk to be ready. And not something audiences should cheer for. It is borderline sexual harassment the way it's been written. So in case the original post wasn't clear about this: the problem with gay panic in The Eclipse is not Akk or the fact he fails (episode after tiresome episode) to deal with those feelings. The problem is with how the writers have written the character and, especially, how they have written Aye dealing with it. You want to enjoy a show about guys kissing? Then demand the writers acquaint themselves with how gay panic actually feels, actually resolves, and is best handled. And if the writers choose some other route--because high school kids, after all, might not be equipped to deal with it--then that show had better depict realistic consequences. Otherwise, a show is just tossing out tropes about gay life in a hamhanded way without understanding them. That's hollow.
WOW that got people commenting, I guess I will jump in with the rest of you and say I do not mind a well done NC scene. That being said I do not need any NC scenes if the series is well writen, directed, acted, filmed and cast, Symantic Error case in point. Would we be talking about KinnPorche without the NC scenes, that is part of what elevated it above the norm, it was not a perfect series and had some major flaws. Big Dragon, like Unforgotten Night was hyped well but basically these writers do not know how to turn a basically soft core porn book ment for late night reading into a series, so episode 2 of Big Dragon is basically the old not funny trope of having to go to the doctor and explain why you need medicine for your sore booty, this is as old as Make It Right. As BLC has pointed out early BL series were pushing the NC content from the begining and it was series like Make It Right amoung others that got BL banned from Thai tv and pushed it on to formates like Line TV and WETV. This is one of the reasons GMMtv has been so tame in the past. It is interesting that not so long ago when the Saint Zee series Why RU tried to step it up and took the NC content to a new level it got a lot of backlash from the fans as taking it to far and being to much like soft porn. WOW times have changed. As BLC said if you are going to do NC at lest do it well. Learn how to write a script please. Liking Roommates of Poongduck 304, good writing and acting. For BLC I have been trying to find this Taiwanese movie Moneyboys and finally saw it, really liked it, very interesting look at Chinese gay life and choises.
Sam Tab, I won't put my boxing gloves on but I thought the Doctor visit scene in Big Dragon was funny to my perhaps juvenile mind. Interesting bringing up Make It Right. Their Doctor's visit was shocking to me and I wondered if we would ever see post-s_x issues like that dealt with again. (And Moneyboys IS very good).
I checked moneyboys and it is nearly 2 hours long. i am so busy these days.. I watch Khun Chai only hence I will give it a try later on. I agree with you on Big Dragon.. kinda turning into unforgotten Night 2.0.
@@blcritic Understood, I have been watching Khun Chai also, typical big tv drama but it is done well and like it a lot. I watched episode 3 of Big Dragon, so stupid, they have a little bit of everything, some bondage, some ghost scare, some gay marriage promo, the silly bodyguards, just stupid writing in general and no chemistry with those guys. Yes Unforgotten Night 2.0. Thank God Eclipse, My Only 12% and Love In the Air are wrapping it up next week. Kinda surprised how Eclipse from GMMtv is so much a Promo for gay love. My Only 12% I could have liked but I find the character Earth plays so annoying it spoils it for me and Earth becoming PP 2.0 in real life really puts me off. I really liked Earth before, I thought he was clever and fun. The second Love in the Air couple Sky and Pai I like better than the first, but will be interested to see if Mame deals with her typical sexual trama drama issue in her stupid way. Hope you are to busy in a good way, miss your always spot on insight.
@@samtab2364 You got it right about the mishmosh called Big Dragon. I thought they were on an upswing. Foolish me, the episode was all over the map and didn't know where to land.
Hi, do you think that in the next 2-3 years we will get a BL series that is co-financed by a UK/US company with 1 of the leads being UK/US? I would like to see BL stories but with better production quality and different perspective of the writers.
Thanks, this is an idea I haven't seen brought up. Would BL fans rebel against a series with an American or Brit lead, for example? I would give it a try.
We might... we are having some Thai actors in Korean BL so we will have more cooperation in between east Asian countries, however, we might get Western Collaboration also.. but the chances are higher for Korean BL or Japanese BL.. but let's see.
Ideas for Two Future Videos (if the topics appeal) So, I was just imbibing some scintillating content from a different BL-oriented YT channel (yes, I am promiscuous with my pursuit of BL information--no shame!), when I encountered a post amidst the Comments from our very own J Scott. That post proclaimed the following dramatic thesis: "Miracle of Teddy Bear is the most divisive series of the year," opined J. I quickly countered with a post arguing SCOY sowed more division. But then--an epiphany! Cutie Pie had split audiences, too. And then I thought all three series had a claim for that dubious title. And, for different causes. Why are BL audiences suddenly so multi minded about the virtues and faults among our proliferating pool of possible BL pursuits? But "most divisive series of the year" is not my suggested topic, albeit that does work. Rather, the more interesting question would be *What is the significance of so much more audience division in 2022* ? Is it the shows? Or is it the nature of the (growing) audience? I think it's interesting. Meanwhile, I also watched The Eclipse ep 11 today. While that series will not land on my Best of list, I thought the penultimate was quite excellent. In fact, I think the case could be made that it could be the most effective, satisfying penultimate GMMTV has ever produced. (No curse! Twin stunning revelations!) That assessment raises the broader question, *What is the job a penultimate episode must deliver and which series have done it best* ? And that would be a funnone, too. That's my piece. Have a good day!
I probably should have said "one of the most divisive series of the year" since SCOY is another very strong contender for the top spot. I like the idea @John Master came up with about the significance of audience division in 2022. I think it reflects on both the growing audience and the sheer number of BLs being produced, many of which are crap. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts, Mr. BL Critic.
@@j_scott very true about the volume of series produced being an element. But the crap ones don't explain the phenomenon. Because neither Lovestage nor That's My Candy is divisive. There's a consensus there: they are crap. There's also consensus around Bad Buddy and Semantic Error: they are elite. Consensus doesn't mean "universally accepted," of course. I'm sure the first two have champions and the latter two have detractors. But by and large these series generate neither heated takes in the Comments nor exhortations urging people to open their eyes to obvious strengths /flaws that somehow got overlooked. But it just seems to me this year has seen a marked increase in series that have elicited vociferous debate about their merits. So, what's up with that?
@@johnmaster3748 IDK. I think some of us are willing and able to give certain types of crap a pass if the rest of the BL series is good. Maybe that plays a role? Fluff vs drama, happy endings vs sad or open endings, a chaste kiss vs lots of sexy times. There's a lot to consider when it comes to what makes something divisive.
Both of the ideas are really good.. I even find 'list of most divisive ones' also appealing. I can definitely talk about the penultimate episode , however, for the first idea, I will write the script first and check. As both John and J Scott mentioned, there are a lot of factors including the audience, and if i categorize the audience, it might fell like I am attacking them, those of us who have watched almost all the BL from HCTM to Bad Buddy will have a different taste from those who started from Kinn Porsche and found Unforgotten Night really good. And what about those Fujoshis who are served LITA by their queen Mame? hehe
Is this my new vice? Now I am checking in once in a while to read and enjoy the interaction between BLC , J Scott, David Means and John Master. I trust this Brain Trust. (And other contributors who show insight with their posts.)
Tbh i love reading comments in here... i tend to reply almost everybody. I am lucky that the viewer base are really intellect in here and almost all of the comments require great insight on the topic of the video.
Ailongnhai is so cute! I think Nhai has a a great personality, which we do not see often. I feel he's clumsy and can laugh at himself, but also is very introspective. I also think it's a positive that the whole series is about him trying to be okay with his sexual preference. They're addressing it in a very mature way. He's very communicative with Ai and Ai is very patient with him. I think their kissing is not gaudy or over the top, but it is still sensual and it is definitely not as bad as Fahlanruk. This is probably the only series that I'm really enjoying right now. I hope that they explore Ai's character a little more. BTW, I cracked up at the GMMTV dig. Tay is my favorite GMMTV actor and it is a travesty how they paired him with Thai Park Shin Hye, New. New is so handsome, but so blah.
Ai Long Nhai is funny till date.. and yes I liked the way Nhai is portrayed. hehe Tay is one of my fav.. he is a real fun character off screen.. it looks like it is good to be friends with him.
I have noticed that series that are marketed as f*ck bois are giving us Anti-F*ck Boi behaviour, Love in the Air, Fahlanruk, Ai Long Nhai, Big Dragon and even Unforgotten Night. Bad boys who do laundry, who are caring for their lovers, WHO ARE TENDER. So strange.
hehe so true... as I am perfectly single so I'd love one like that.. who'd come and cook, do dishes, laundry and more importantly give me sponge bath if i am drunk.. which'd be almost everyday. lol
@@blcritic You should do a video on the top 10 BL tropes and which BL series has the most of them. Before I watched BL I always thought sponge baths were for OLD SICK PEOPLE. Not given to and by hot young, guys LOL
@@blcritic oh ho, you can maybe lower that bar a little. Laundry and cooking and sponge baths that too everyday 😀? Check married couples and how much chores husbands do.Btw, you shouldn’t be drinking every other day.😮Alcohol is a depressant.
Louder for the people in the back, please!! I am EXHAUSTED of listening to people praising average to mediocre series based solely on some hot scenes badly edited and with worse acting. Come on! If you want to watch a s3x scene poorly directed, with a lame acting and worse editing, let me be very real, you should be watching p0rn. And some of them are even free. GIVE ME A STORY. I am not naive, I know that s3x is a part of selling the series and also a part of the life of adult people. But if that is everything that a series can bring, there is another world of cinematography that you should be looking at. With that said, I must say I am watching Fahlanruk and Big Dragon. The first only because of the side couples (which, I must say, is the reason I have watched most of the series I did this year), and the last because I find it funny despite everything (I have watched worst things for worse reasons, so). I just need good stories in the upcoming series to be happy. I am praying for better days 🙏
Renan Monte: applause for what needed to be said! Your line leading to "might as well watch porn" (paraphrased) is one I've been waiting for someone to post.
see i love a good nc but im not all about it tho but i do get a bit disappointed if the mains dont even share a good kiss in series i love a bit of naughtiness in my series but im a perv what can i say and be4 i get a lot of hate iv only been watching dramas for the last 6 months my orginal love for bl comes from manga which iv been reading for over 5 years now and man there are some really naughty mangas out there and i love them
I checked out of Big Dragon after episode 1 because it was like the novel. However, I was pleasantly surprised to admit that I ate my words after coming back in episodes 3. It isn’t as all NC scenes that is selling this series for me but the raw emotions of falling in love with 2 problematic people. It is such a departure from the novel. If you think this series is like the dumpster fire that is Fahlanruk then you are not giving the series the proper credit as I did. I don’t know how they are going to do the rest of the episodes but I hope they don’t rush it or give it more episodes like they did in Oh My sunshine night. I rather have a season 2 that bad writing to tie up loose ends. We can have To My Star instead of OMSN. A lot of people are worry about the not having enough episodes and want more. This is very concerning to me as this can be one of my favorites or not.
Big Dragon is a bit better than Falhanruk, and their last NC scenes was fire. The number of episodes are low but i tihnk it is enough as there is not much plot
I saw Ep 1 of Ai long nai and something called big dragon that Yt showed up. I was like WTF. The graph of Thai bls instead of going up its going down. I didn't understand a thing about Big dragon or Red dragon except that guy recorded a clip- the english subtitling was so bad. I hope for Thai language viewers those dramas made sense because without good English subtitles they make less sense to me.Another set of fresh new faces though in both. Now I have my hopes tied up to Step by step, I feel u linger in the air & the one with Earth & Mix.
Ai long Nhai is marketed as this adult content series... and That Big Dragon is based on a p*rn novel. that's why i wrote ' if NC scenes are the only highlight of the series, they should be good'. Looks like this year I will find it hard to make train wrecks video.
@@blcritic 😂 but look at the bright side…There will be only 2 definitive category: the good ones and the trainwrecks.I can’t seem to recall any bl as of now which falls into ‘ could be better if only……’
Hey BLC, it's your nosy and presumptuous buddy way over here. Just checking to see if things are settled in and how you are doing. Also, can you believe the responses to your video (and still going on!)?
Hey Ron! Yeah things are going good. I must say good till now. The Economic forecast are frightening still We are expanding our business more in Feb.. Frankly it is unbelievable.. though sometimes I am too blunt, still people in here can take the humor. I am thankful for that.
@@blcritic My Bluntness Scale says you are at a perfect level. Glad to hear you are doing well. Yeah, in the US we have a recession progressing. Keep up your efforts in business and, when time allows, for us.
@@blcritic Mr Critic : "sometimes I am too blunt." Me: hey, could you get more specific with your vague remarks. Ron H.: "you are at a perfect level." Well, one of us is bound to be right! Actually, the beauty of these meaty topics is that all three of us can be right simultaneously. So, let's all keep on keeping on!
I like good levels of intimacy, but not p*rn*gr*phy. If a story has virtually no intimacy beyond staring into each others eyes...it is too tame almost always. I am an adult and I should be able to see physical affection and a good script and acting at the same time! I want a story and love. Not JUST NC scenes. It is important to fit the story to the level of intimacy. Like say Takara-kun To Amagi-kun supports a very gentle interaction between the two main characters. Having a full blown NC scene would not fit the tenor of the story at all. Some stories get the balance right, others do not. I love the first couple in Love in the Air Payu and Rain. I did notice that the actor was 'having s*x' with his boxers on. Quite a challenge. But it was still a well done, very sensual scene by the actors that fit the story, tho the editing could have been better for sure. KinnPorsche was great and the NC scenes added to that greatness. It was about the Mafia, so that isn't packing your lunchbox level of cuteness. It supports a raw plot. In your face, and a bit shocking. It is ok to have mild levels of BL for those that like that, all the way up to more adult moments. But NC scenes without good actors, without a real story to tell...is dreary. I could order that kind of stuff if I wanted to watch p*rn.
So many good points N Neichan. I really appreciated the phrase "important to fit the story to the level of intimacy". Many failures to list. I noticed the "boxers on" s_x scene. At least that way no one gets pregnant.
@@ronhilton9614 "Fit the story to the level of intimacy" stood out to me as well. Well phrased and well argued. On the other hand, I am not sure those boxers are the most foolproof contraceptive device available in today's market. I would discourage our fellow readers from heeding your advice on effective methods of birth control.
Honestly if other countries had done right most of bl drama series I think thai could do it too. Maybe viewership is different that's why it end up this way but if more of dramas would be created with good stories and mo nc scenes as with their other Asian colleagues I guess we can fairly say in the future that no all things should have sex in the storyline. Sex is part of life but I think media should rethink about portraying it. Is there a need for it or will the series be ending up with like a soft core porn as others have put it. I think also proper portrayal of these dramas would greatly help awareness and visibility of our friends in this community. Im hoping for a future that will have no need for NC scenes in this dramas. It's a cliche not to have one but it is always be good to preseny stories as stories without obvious scenes that most if not all know how you do it.
Yes maybe because I'd seen Japanese go thru the same thing. For Korea they mostly have those scenes from movies instead of dramas. But case and point both Taiwan and Korean less or no NC scenes in their dramas bl in the general or their precedessors LGBT and or queer media. Maybe there is something we didn't see but my perspective maybe it's a phase I agree or maybe it's the way people like their media. Who are we to judge right. But yet again hope against hope that good representation can be made better and more social accepted portrayal will benefit our friends in the community what ever their colors are so too speak. That way our world would be a far more better and beautiful place for us and the next generation.
I so agree with you. If I can't drink my chai while watching the drama happily while trying to figure out the NC scene which leaves me and my chai cold I rather not see it. I don't want to see any one's bare butt.Actors are well clothed in the dramas I can make out how toned his body is with his clothes on. I think the way entertainment industry used women by making them shed all their clothes over the years they are doing the same with the boys. Most of these are unnecessary to most storylines in a drama.
@@zahrabjinu Thank you for making so many good points and reminding us of the way showbiz used to say "take it off baby" with women. I chuckled because I am often drinking chai and don't welcome coldness!
@@zahrabjinu and the fact that we are in a new times so to speak I guess that's not only applicable to women now even men are being fantasize and or being glorified or to certain extent were being worshipped like women in media before them. I guess those are for men are not for men only in these days. One observation I saw and this is very prevalent maybe on certain apps especially those who provides live comments on videos being watch. Case and point don't watch drama if you are always looking for NC scenes. If you're that type just watch p*rn instead. It such an annoying thing to see people even though you can turn it off that people will always try to find NC scenes even in those dramas that they know that will never have. Well that shows what the current generation or maybe some of them are now and maybe media played a role in that and also lack of family guidance as well. Praying it change.
I'm waiting for a dissection and commentary on Young Royals 2. BLC? John? Dave?___? I enjoyed it--*with mixed feelings. *That is not a cop-out It is a description.
Hi, I visited GMM GRAMMY BUILDING shop. It was so disappointing. Just one cabinet of things. I thought it was going to be a whole nice shop with standies of the different actors and BL series. And Yes the blue Pete & Kao tumbler was out of stock with no plans of being restocked 😒. It was a fun visit. I love riding on the motorbike taxis You should do a video on just how many endorsements BL actors do. It is I inane. Food, cosmetics, mobile phones, banks and credit cards, motorbikes. No wonder people are willing to do at least 1 BL series to get famous to jump on to a lucrative business opportunity.
When your video began i thought you will talk about how badly so many nc scenes are shot.Its just flashing of the body - how muscular the man or how pretty his silhouette is. I didn’t like NC scenes of Kinn Porsche.infact those early Bls which showed young teenagers awkward and fumbling, i used to skip those scenes because it made me uncomfortable. If they are going to shoot them so poorly in most bls i rather not see them.Thai actors most of them are very uncomfortable doing those over the top scenes - it is clearly visible on the screen.Their Japanese counterparts are not .The koreans & taiwanese are becoming more better in making it look realistic. NC scenes comes with nudity so then make it available with adult rating. But they are putting it out on YT with ‘uncut’ version .What nonsense is that ! Frankly, most Thai NC scenes just leave me indifferent,Japanese ones are too much tongue based of which they show a close up - i have no idea why.Maybe because i belong to the ‘another’ demographic - i am busy admiring the eyes,how much makeup is done on him,his features,the set design basically everything else than what they are doing on the bed or in air.
BL series are turning more and more into Soft porn. Acting, direction, and the story are totally missing. When you make a good series you need no NC scenes. Look At Bad Buddy ..no NC scenes just a few kisses but the acting and story made it such a lovely series, worth watching million times. I have seen many hit Series where the leads (at least one) who did not like kissing. These actors just used BL to garner Fame and then never return to BL series.
I didn't watch anyone of these shit. I was planning to watch love in the air but then you said it doesn't have a good story line so idea is dropped. I like dramas with stories like Young Royals, Heartstopper, even Moonlight chicken had a great storyline
I don't care about NC scenes when the skript and acting is solid. The perfect example is Cherry Magic. This BL stood out because of the acting and interesting plot and they even didn't kiss once. Or We Best Love, the kissing between the main leads was more exciting than any NC scene ever. Bad Buddy also didn't have any of those but it was very good made. I don't lice NC in straight dramas either. I know that everybody is think KinnPorsche is next level but I didn't like the plot that much even when the acting was on point. Love in the Air was one of the worst BL's for me really boring and only popular for the sex between the leads. I think it is a thing of preference but I didn't like any of the newer BL's.
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As usual, I agree with your comments. I liked how you flashed 180 Degrees of Longitude Passes Through Us at the end. I admit I do like the NC scenes and adult themes in BL. However, if that is all you got then I am not going to continue to watch. Looking at shows Bad Buddy, KP, Not Me they had an interesting script, good acting, AND well done NC scenes. And as a result these shows will continue to get views well into the future. IMHO shows like Check Out and Unforgotten Night will soon be forgotten by the majority of the BL fandom. Hopefully producers and directors will learn the right lesson but color me doubtful. And finally, loved your comment about GMMTV ;-)
180° was good it's just that it was a sad ending
check out we got so hyped about the zero episode I hate to say this but some checkout need shorter episodes I think if it has shorter episodes it would have been a better series
I think because of the pandemic we wait too long to do a series n the chemistry faded between the actors
Unforgotten night they can't kiss worth a damn but I still love the story and they did hype up the raunchy scenes too much
@@monica1992ist You nailed it when you suggested shorter episodes for Check Out. So much of the episodes were boring fillers.
hehe... loved your comment
@@j_scott you know what to this is a classic case of a show hyped up and then it's a delay and then the storyline becomes boring a little
@@blcritic thank you for reading my comment
I completely agree with whatever you said!!!
Kinnporsche is a masterpiece and its not only bcz of their NC scenes but bcz of an amazing plot, acting, production, cinematography and etc...
I agree that seeing two lovers ending their love confession with high five is not what we want (cough cough 2gether) but if you want to make a mature themed BL then DON'T ONLY FOCUS ON NC SCENES BUT ALSO OTHER ASPECTS LIKE ACTING AND ESPECIALLY PLOT!!!
And for me the only BLs of 2022 that I still consider good and watchable are Kinnporsche, Bad Buddy and Not Me(which gmmtv fucked it but was still good)...
Other bls are still a fail for me till now...let's see how this year ends though...lol
Wow, only those three? you don't think Triage was good?
and what about Love mechanics ? I really enjoyed it and was very happy they finally made the long version 😍
I don’t think Triage is widely seen- I just watched ep 1 and holy moly- it is fantastic so far
GMMTV did not do justice by not me at all I am so surprised and so happy that the actors gave 100% And the s***** circumstances that they was given I cannot believe they did that
@@justdave3153 and it's getting better in every episode! (in my opinion)
@@blmama50 I liked Triage too. Maybe because it was completely different than the usual Bl storyline.
I cackled at the GMMTV comment.
hehe.. gmmtv still makes Pg-13 series...
The shade...
My thoughts exactly. While I do agree that NC scenes can make an already good series even better, I have just seen too many nc scenes, god even kiss scenes, where it is just so blatantly obvious that they don't feel comfortable doing it thus making them so uncomfortable to watch and ruin the whole series (i was especially thrown off by plan in love by chance s2, no hate intended just one of many examples). Honestly, if the actors can't kiss just don't shoot the scene. I hate how it has basically become mandatory for an bl to sell.
I agree, both Plan, and Mean couldn't hide their extreme discomfort in having to show affection between the characters of Can and Tin in LBC1 and LBC2.
@@VixenByNight72 Yess TT I really liked the series and the ship but their acting in romantic and intimate scenes just threw me off so bad I skipped most of them.
@@Kiiramei Same for me.
I think rather than remove the NC scene because the actor isn't comfortable doing them, just remove the actor. KinnPorsche and Love in The Air is mentioned in a lot of these recap videos because the actors acted the scene according to the script. That is what they are supposed to do. Script says kiss so they kiss. Script says the characters will be intimate, so they act out intimacy. It's silly though to classify a passionate kiss as NC. KP and LITA went further than a passionate kiss, I agree, but Bad Buddy kisses were passionate. Passionate and super great because Ohm and Nanon read the script.
Just like you said, with the land mark KP let in the BL industry more shows will try to copie some of the aspects of the show including the NC scenes, but if they'll be able to leave their name on the BL hall of Fame is another. I have nothing against NC scenes, i really enjoyed watching the when are well made and make sense to the character doing it and if contribute to the plot of the show. If I wanted to see people making out or fucking without reason I would go watch p*rn. The minimum i expected from a seires, even if the storyline is a simple one is a decent script, is that to hard to ask for??
This is an excellent point. Bad Buddy wasted no opportunity for Ohm to be shirtless because eye-candy speaks for itself. But let's break down his shower scene in ep 5, just ahead of the rooftop scene. We do not get the camera panning up and down Ohm's chiseled physique, a shot touring an actor's wet torso being typical to most Bl shower scenes. (Compare the TOTS shower scene by the same director, which exists primarily to showcase water drizzling down Earth's chiseled physique.*) We do get Ohm in shadow, his chiseled physique shrouded in darkness. (Compare every other scene of Ohm shirtless.) While innumerable reactors greeted that sequence with some variation of "Oh, Ohm has his shirt off again," that scene isn't selling sex appeal; and the shower is hardly gratuitous. Pat has just drunkenly confronted Pran and fought with Wai in the process. He is still trying to process the self-realizations regarding his attraction to Pran that power the whole episode. A shower to clear the mind, to enhance sobriety, and to cool down is a wholly appropriate action for someone to take before seeking to make amends with those he recently offended. Shrouding him in darkness is a neat cinematographic trick to signify his confusion. In other words, that shower scene fits the story context and serves a story purpose. And it is shot and lit in a way that serves that purpose without gratuitously sexualizing the actor or the character. To me, it exemplifies the kind of scene Larissa asks "contribute to the plot of the show." Most scenes we label as "NC" should be able to make similar contributions to the plot, even if they go farther than this one.
(*--even in this "gratuitous" TOTS scene, Aof is such a skillful director that the camera panning across Earth's chiseled physique has a purpose. In context, Tian is observing Chief Phupa shower. The camera movement thus mimics Tian's gaze. Indeed, cross-cuts to Tian depict the effect wet Phupa has on Tian--the editing draws the viewer into Tian's titillation. Most BLs just toss a character in the shower, and the camera follows the progress of the water across torsos for no reason other than the titillation of the viewer. While one may still question whether Phupa really needed a shower while Tian stood by, whether the production team needed a set that featured an outdoor shower with minimal privacy, or whether the shower necessitated onscreen portrayal, at least Aof made the effort for his camera movement to make sense.)
Some BL creators: "what is this dee cent scrip" I hear talk of?".
@@johnmaster3748 Wasn't that scene with Tian observing Phupha in that open-air shower, tied to a product placement for some bodywash?
@@VixenByNight72 haha. If so, I'd forgotten that. Or maybe at the time I was distracted by soap suds coursing across Earth's chiseled physique? That would certainly undermine my defense of that scene and put it squarely back into the category of "needlessly gratuitous." Then again, if one is selling body wash, it only makes sense to demonstrate the product in action...
I totally agree. NC scene does not make the show good. If the plot, storyline and acting are terrible then the show sucks. I hated Check Out. The initial episode was good and I thought they would follow that but what they put out was ridiculous. I couldn't even get through Cutie Pie. And I amd trying to get through Fahlanruk and Ai Long Nai but the kissing and acting at times is ridiculous. Stories like Bad Buddy, The Eclipse even Vice Versa are captivating. Yhey have interesting storyline. Great chemistry and good acting. And they have no NC scenes and I love them. While KinnPorsche did have NC scenes, as everyone has said the NC scenes was not what made the show great. It was the story the chemistry the acting the production everything rolled up into one.
My heart dropped a little when I saw 180 degrees longitude at the end.
That series was so beautifuly shoot and I'm still recovering from it's ending 🥲
I understand that people have an issue that the ending was sad. I very much agree. But I fully believe the ending was realistic and that improved the quality of the series (to me). I don't think Wang saying "Bye Mom, okay now which clothes closet is mine?" to In would have been, again, realistic.
@@ronhilton9614 Just because it's sad doesn't mean that I hate it.
I could sense that the series would have sad ending form the first couple episodes, but the ending is more than I expected. All was so beautifully put.
I really love this series, this is the 2nd series that could make me cry. My heart just needs some time before I can rewatch it ☺
@@rinawahyuningsih1234 Oh no, I wasn't assuming you hated it. Sad=realistic, happy=realistic is all good, I just want believable and acceptable. Which sounds like BLs may not be for me ! ha ha
For me, yes the ending is sad.. but I think it was the right way as it was going to end.. it was better than forced happy ending.. I loved the series.
For me the ending wasn't sad. It was predictable. What disappointed me in the ending was that not one of those characters progressed. They all returned to their miserable existence. At least one of them should have been able to break out otherwise what was the point. The stellar acting couldn't pull that abysmal ending out.
I like a GOOD NC scene, and they've been scarce so far this year. Right now, it seems like every BL is trying to outdo KinnPorsche. Good luck with that.
I agree with you that Love in the Air is the only one that's been successful with NC scenes so far.
I hope the pendulum will swing back the other way. Adding sex scenes simply to push the envelope can't elevate crappy BLs. They're still meh. (I'm looking at you, Check Out). I'd rather see fewer NC scenes and have them done well.
(I see you got my response in time to add my comment to the video. Am I famous now? LOL)
Well put, J Scott, and agreed on. KP did NC right. I also like a hot NC scene (being human) but not tossing it in, like you said, to elevate crappy BLs.
hehe thank you.. I was actually all ready waiting for your answer..
agreed
I agree with everything said in this video. I'd also like to add sexual harassment where characters make uncomfortable advances to the MC cz he's hot (Rak Diao). The fujoshi trying to get too hot guys together is also annoying as hell.
I still stand by the fact that story is king
Oh god.. These Fujoshis are so annoying.. I tend to skip their scenes.
@@blcritic So annoying
@@the1LB Hi, The Alicia Effect, I like your stance on sexual harassment. Wondering whether you're watching The Eclipse? And, if so, how you feel about the way in which Aye has courted Akk? Cute? Not cute?
@@johnmaster3748 Thanks... I am biased cz I love Khaotung so I enjoy seeing him act. I feel like he did what he had to do, otherwise Akk would have taken longer to accept him. We are missing a chunk of time btw Aye being depressed and wanting to take revenge, to him liking Akk and deciding to pursue him. But I love FirstKhao so I honestly think they are cute
I feel you on big dragon I felt like from the first episode I'm bored like the chemistry ain't there same happened with nitiman they hyped it up so much it sucked ass that the actors had no chemistry you have to convince your job is convince me that you're in love with the person that's your partner which is a guy and they can't do that
agree!
agree
One final thought, speaking of series that eschew or minimize skinship but nevertheless leave an impression that lasts a long time. How'd y'all enjoy *Heartstopper* and *Young Royals* ? Just asking.
Update: < 2 weeks for Season 2 of YR.
I await Y R 2 and I will celebrate with Royal Jelly on my toasted Danish. It has interesting characters, a good story and had some ...dare I say it...hot make-out scenes. I need to get back to Heartstopper when I get caught up.
loved Heartstopper. TBH Young Royals was ok, but nothing I'm dying to rewatch.
So excited for Young Royals 2.. and the 2nd season of heartstopper... however.. indifferent about further seasons of Uncoupled..
@@blcritic what is uncoupled
It's a gay series starring Neil Patrick Harris. I did a video on that.
Speaking of PP and Billkin, they appeared prominently in the product sponsorship spots for Vice Versa, hawking Lay's products. (Usually at the bump leading ep x 4/4). Does thwt mean the duo landed at GMMTV after their prior company dissolved?
I thought myself to be odd (not unusual for me) when I wondered about the same thing. I love seeing those two guys together...so now what?
@@ronhilton9614 Maybe GMMTV will have those two in upcoming 2023 productions. The GMMTV 2023 showcase should be released before the end of 2022.
Huh. I didn't know their company dissolved. Will GMMTV know what to do with them? Will they give them good, well-written, mature series to film? It is GMMTV so I have my doubts.
@@j_scott well-deserved doubts!
it is known fact that gmmtv is trying to woo Bk PP with their variety programs and all.. but i have my doubts whether their style of series fit them.. i can't see them doing something like Enchante or Vice Versa.
Tbh Nadao had their own close set of directors and script writers and almost all were graduates from Nitade Chula ( College of Comm. Arts, Chulalongkorn University) and some are still faculty members. Hence, they had their own closed team.. and they'd focus heavily on script and all the other directors would give their own inputs on a particular series, hence, it'd be a collective effort. And not to miss, most are active members of Chula theatre.. and we saw what a theatre director can do with 3 actors and one set in 180 degrees longitude..
Everything you say is correct but somehow for me as a viewer I do look for the context and the flow of storyline of the actors maybe the NC scene is just a bonus, but when I feel and get board on how the storyline goes with bad acting I immediately stop watching it coz it’s not worth it to watch. The viewer may come and go but mostly the character they will remember because of the good chemistry they build on even the series is not as good as you prepared. One thing I’m sure about is that how popular the actors or how they promote and patronize the series that became big or huge hit to the actors and the company.
Hello BLC, John Master, and David Means. Great minds all thinking alike. I laughed out loud over "who sleeps in their Jeans?". I also like watching the naughty bits in a BL but not if they are presented in a gratuitous manner. Though that is common. I feel like I am being condescended to when there are NC scenes and no good story to back them up.
I quite agree with Ron. Too often it seems as if writers and directors chuck the racy scenes into the story because they think they have to rather than because it makes sense for the story. On the other hand, I bet all of us could use the word "gratuitous" in this discussion as a marker of a bad scene; yet, maintain completely different notions of what we meant by that term while nonetheless believing ourselves 100% in agreement with the others. That's how slippery this topic is.
P.S. has the Padres mania sweeping through your city sparked joy in your homestead?
@@johnmaster3748 Slippery as the proverbial eel, John, slippery as the eel.
@@johnmaster3748 Crazy timing! I just minutes ago spoke to my friend who is a bartender at Petco Park! Yes, people are going ape__ and they are also spending money. He is averaging $500 to $1000 a night. I only pay attention because of him and all the brawls in the news.
Waking up to a full-on rant by Mr Critic? Yes, please!
One question: what is entailed by "make sure [any NC scenes] are good"? 1:17. What comprises "shooting with great care"? 1:41. Care for what? If Big Dragon's NC scene "was not done right" what was wrong with it and how do you do one right?* 2:27
I said I had only one question, but I think that multi point paragraph above really asks only one: what elements make for a successful erotic scene in a televised/streamed production? And I ask the question because I believe we viewers will not share a common answer: our motives for watching BL are too different. Which suggests, maybe the issue is more complicated than we as individuals believe?
*--Big Dragon has aired only two episodes, and the offending bit of "not done right" sexplay was contained to ep 1. So, don't steal future thunder from some future review by prematurely ejaculating a scathing critique of this work in progress. But the others: fair game.
What elements make a successful erotic (NC) scene in a BL?
I altered the question a bit because I think some elements might change depending on the genre. This point is a whole other conversation that I will table for now and stick to answering the question.
1) Chemistry between the actors portraying their characters. I need to believe they actually are into each other.
2) Mechanics of the scene itself. Being mindful of censors again, are "things" in the right place and does it flow well. Editing here really makes a difference. Payu's underwear didn't bother me because of how men's underwear works. I can buy it due to the frantic nature of the coupling. If Rain was spotted wearing underwear than that would pull me out of the scene.
3) Mood. Lighting and color are important. Does it add to the vibe? Is the background music so loud that you cannot hear the actors?
4) Real kisses. A kiss is the basic element. If those do not look real then the rest of the scene feels off.
5) Story progression. Is it a "gratuitous"* scene or is pertinent to the story? NC scenes that bring growth between the couple are key. Otherwise you end up with Check Out.
This is what I focus on during BL NC scenes. I do not watch BL for NC scenes alone. I do enjoy them if they are well done and make sense for the characters. Cherry Magic remains one of my favorite BLs and there was not even an on screen kiss. However, I believed in the magic of a 30 year old virgin because the writing and acting were excellent.
*See John Master's comment under Ron Hilton's post
@@deborahw2770 holy moly! A detailed, substantive answer! Thank you, Deborah, for giving the discussion a baseline. Alternate formulations still welcome, of course! But did Deborah miss anything YOU, Gentle Reader, seek out in a NC scene for a BL?
@@johnmaster3748 You are most welcome. I hope other people comment as well. I intentionally left off visuals i.e. attractiveness of the actors from my list. I am really interested in other viewpoints.
@@deborahw2770 Excellent points. I agree with all of them.
Unlike you, I have been known to watch a BL for NC scenes. Sometimes more than once. 😈
@@j_scott Thank you. I have been known to watch certain NC scenes more than once. lol
It's worth pointing out that the adoption by BL Fandom of the "NC" concept already misuses what the label actually describes in context. This misuse waters down the standard of true "NC" content (which in films denotes full frontal nudity and explicit sex acts) by applying it to television series which were never going to approach the levels of racy content permissible in cinema but not via public airwaves. Furthermore, what passes as "too explicit" varies culturally, and "NC" for Asian tv/streaming represents a much lower threshold than the term was created to describe. Flashing ass onscreen is *absolutely, positively nowhere close* to NC content in its original context. Whereas U.S. mainstream film studios do everything in their power to avoid an actual NC-17 rating (which makes a film nigh unmarketable), BL Fandom celebrates the label for its supposed liberation from stuffy norms. Marketing of BL series for "NC content," relies on this audience expectation "racy content ahead" even though that content is drastically watered down from the term's original meaning. NC-17? No, nearly all BL falls short of the R rating, in fact.
Since the international audience and the younger American audience may be unfamiliar with the original context, perhaps a brief primer will help. Most notably, the term has *nothing whatsoever to do with television* as it exists to categorize motion pictures exhibited in public cinemas. In the United States, regulation of motion pictures is not done by the government (because, free speech). Instead, the film industry monitors itself (self-censorship) so that Congress keeps its nose out of Hollywood's business. Their literal business $$$, as it were, which is to sell movie tickets. Originally devised in the early 1970s, the current regime grades any film based on *how appropriate its content is for children* . At first the regime included four categories: G, PG, R, X. General (G-rated) were safe for even the smallest of children. This category became stigmatized as "kiddie film" territory or "Disney" film territory. Over time, studios learned audiences avoided G films because they assumed it was too simple. (No self-respecting 7 year-old will admit to wanting to see a kiddie G film--even if, secretly, they desperately want to go!) Parental Guidance indicated a film was appropriate for children but parents ought to monitor what their child was prepared for. Perhaps some portions may be too intense for small children. Restricted movies were presumed to contain material unsuitable for children. The label restricted cinemas from selling tickets to minors unless accompanied by parents. (Thus sneaking into R-rated movies became a rite of passage for my generation.) Finally, the X rating was applied to films so adult in nature that ticket buyers had to be 18 for admission. The X rating so limited the potential audience that theater chains refused to book them. All porn films were, by definition, unsuitable for children, and they always carried the X rating. In fact, they used the supposed stigma to their advantage in advertising. The "XXX" label on VHS boxes is not a real category but a marketing ploy to suggest the film in the box is even filthier than normal!
In the half-century since its introduction, only two changes have occurred. PG-13 came along to differentiate that some films may be fine for teens but too intense for pre-teens; yet, also not so bad they need an R. [The over-the-top "gross-out" bits in the second Indiana Jones movie single-handedly brought this label into existence.] Later, NC-17 was created as a buffer between R and X. But it's really two different labels for the same thing. X = 18 and over may buy tickets. NC-17 = No Children 17 and Under may buy tickets. In terms of the nudity and explicitness of sex scenes in these movies there may be no difference. But X had come to signify cheap production values and tawdry depictions of sex. High class filmmakers sometimes wanted to include explicit material in actual, proper movies. These artists did not want their work lumped in with the "garbage" X had come to signify. NC-17 films are art first--they happen to include sex. X films were and are excuses to string sex scenes together. Story is irrelevant. Production values, an afterthought. But like the X, an NC-17 label limits potential audiences. Family friendly cinemas seldom agree to exhibit those films--and studios often contractually require directors to deliver an edit of the film that fits under the R rating. Seldom, in its proper context, is an NC-17 rating a selling point. Quite the contrary. When BL audiences appropriate "NC" to describe sex scenes in a BL, that is the baggage the term brings along. In reality, a typical BL NC scene tends to be PG-13, not even R. At least, if the material was intended to be shown in cinemas--which it never really is, after all.
None of this rating system has ever applied to television. Unlike films, US television actually is subject to government regulation (the FCC in the US). Most R rated material won't make it on to broadcast TV. Cable and streaming has more leeway, but, even there, companies trying to capture mass market subscribers keep away from anything too explicit. Sites can and do cater to those niche audiences, but the expectation is the subscriber understands their purchase. So, describing BL as containing NC scenes is doubly out of place. First, it waters down the actual meaning of the term y being far tamer than an actual NC-17 movie. Second, it uses a label never meant for television productions.
Of course, as a signifier of "racy content ahead," calling attention to NC scenes in BL does work. Even if none of us quite knows exactly what should be included.
Esteemed Film Historian John, sorry for the delay. I had to dig through my closet for a hat so i could tip it. You educate us but also help some of us remember the structure of things. Studios used to strive to avoid the X rating as the "kiss of death" at the box office. I am told of the struggle over the Richard Dreyfuss film "Inserts" in the 70s, as one of many examples, to be anything but X-rated. And yes, the meaning of NC in relationship to BLs is not accurate at all.
Very good breakdown, and explanation of the definitions between US film entertainment, versus US TV entertainment and Thai TV entertainment.
As expected … excellent intel … 👍🌸
excellent info... and a nice read for us as well
about Thai BLs i think their NC-21 is our PG-13
That was a master class in the film ratings system in the United States!! I think studios don’t want films to get NC-17 is many newspapers and tv stations will not take advertising for these films because they are not for a ‘family audience’. And when R rated movies are shown on traditional broadcast tv they usually cut it for a PG audience (example is Saturday Night Fever with John Travolta). Thanks again for the great primer!!
Thank you, brilliant as always!!!❤🧡💛
Fans of Mr Critic should by all means check out Ms Mama's video this week on shipping culture, a topic we have explored here. Good work yourself, BL Mama50!
I didn't know that you had your own channel. I will definitely check it out!! 💕 💞
@@johnmaster3748 Thank you☺☺☺☺
wow I will also subscribe to BL Mama
I have no problem with a lot of NC scenes or just a simple kiss at the end of 12 eps. My problem with a lot of these series is an COMPLETE LACK of chemistry and/ acting skills. cough! 👀TinCan & SawaratTine👀. This is what makes or breaks a show for me. This is why i loved shows like WRU (MC), SCOY (MC), MODC(All couples), Cherry Magic (MC), ITSAY, UMWA (All couples) Goldenblood (Side couple), Crossing the line (MC) and more not because of their spiciness or lack there of, but because i felt DANG! these couples got it bad for each other.
What "makes" a pairing for me, in ANY sort of drama, comedy, mini-series, indie movie, or feature film, is that I need to feel like those characters are so drawn towards one another, that they cannot keep themselves from glancing at one another. There's a feeling of anticipatory excitement, at knowing they will see each other again. That they're constantly thinking about the other. That they secretly smile, whenever they're in the presence of the other.
@@VixenByNight72 Spoken like a true romantic. I call myself a cynical romantic which for me is not a contradiction. Now how do we get these opinions to the BL writers?
@@ronhilton9614 I don't know. At times, I feel like some of these BL writers, are creating these stories, as a way to place whatever may have happened in their own personal lives regarding their gender, sex/sexuality, and having "straight guys" going through it, as some sort of therapeutic release for them.
@@VixenByNight72 I think this way in watching videos in and outside BLs. I don't know that this is a bad thing, perhaps it is a natural catharsis. Just keep in mind "respect your audience". I suppose I could say that on a million subjects!
PREACH! These current ongoing BLs are so lackluster. Like Jesus what's happening. I watched ep 1 of big dragon and doubled the speed. So because a guy goes on a date with a girl you like you decide to drug him and record what happens between you for God knows what. AilongNhai, you get drunk and sleep with a guy because you're heartbroken? Like what the hell is with the plot. I even gave up on Love in the air after some episodes because I was like what else to watch 🤷. I also watched the first episode of the second couple and dropped it also. I would literally watch a good bl with good plot even if they don't kiss, take Cherry Magic the Japanese bl fr example.
The only bl I'm watching is To sir, with love. Atleast there's drama to keep me on my toes.
The eclipse you can try, it's with great story line
@@minaintokpop thank you. I literally haven't seen it 🙆. I'll check it immediately.
Currently I am only invested in Khun Chai ( to Sir with love).. the level of production is different..
@@blcritic YASSS, 💅💅. I just watched episode four and God the tension is so high. 😮. This drama deserves awards.
@@blcritic Khun Chai/To Sir With Love, as the kids say, "Is Delivering!!". Great storylines, interesting characters (even the annoying Chan and her ridiculous sidekick), and two couples that I personally want to see HEAs!!
Sadly, I think we will continue to use the fantasy of NC (especially when "Uncut" is also used to promote those series), in order to bring viewers to initially watch the first episode or two. If what's been produced gains that viewer's interest, they'll have a fan. If not, that series is dropped, or "hate watched", because the viewer wants to participate in the social aspect of interacting with other viewers, who are also watching to rag on the series. 😉 😜
I'm not sure, if we will ever get another series like "180 Degrees" again, but I am hopeful that we will possibly get more varieties of BL dramas, that can be centered on more mature, older characters, and their lives, including their sex lives, in the years to come. We will NEVER not have the BL based in a high school/college setting. That's never, ever going to go away. These production companies have to make sure, that they continue to maintain the upcoming future audiences, as the age from pre-teens to college aged students. 😃 😊
I think that there is always the possibility of more quality that can be produced, with these series, and yes, I'm also including the topic of "NC" or sex scenes, because to paraphrase the late George Michael, "Sex IS natural. Sex IS fun!"
What?! Hate watching a series merely to engage socially in a kind of collective ragging over its flaws? To nitpick its shortcomings? To lament squandered potential? Surely, no-one we know has ever done such a thing! But you're a real cutie pie for floating such an outlandish notion.
On a more substantive note, I think using the NC scenes as a selling point distresses me more than their presence. Especially when inclusion of such scenes serves no functional purpose. In Bad Buddy 11, seeing Pat and Pran wake up together in bed, then Pran asking nervously whether he had been any good the previous night carried a stronger impact because the viewer had NOT been privy to those moments. Had an earlier scene depicted that entanglement, the on-screen portrayal would have blunted the impact of Pran's insecurity. Some things are best left to individual imagination. Good material sells itself. No skinship needed.
@@johnmaster3748 🤣🤣🤣
You know me, way too well. That was an experience.
Quoting George Michael! I'm glad you brought up "Uncut" as you did. It's a scam to me outright. Am I saying I never fall for it...well. I love that you brought up "hate watched". I thought this was something I was just overly suspicious about. I don't mind the blue shorts series if there are always the manly men stories to create a semblance of balance. I enjoyed your post.
@@johnmaster3748 "Especially when inclusion of such scenes serves no functional purpose." Exactly. Sometimes, it feels like, some of those scenes are added justvto appease the readers of the BL story (manwha, fan fiction, etc.) that know exactly which part had a sex scene in the book. So, if episode 1 or 2, didn't have a scene, in which the main couple are almost about to tongue each other down, then the screenwriter knows that they have to write a scene in episode 3, to tease the audience to keep on watching. That their hunger, will indeed be fed in that episode. Or someone had mentioned on MDL, that the screenwriters, "count every number of pages of the story, and then say to themselves 'add a sex scene on pages 15, 30, 45, 60, etc.' because they know that it's expected from those fans."
Like in the recent TV adaption of the Korean manwha, "Cherry Blossoms After Winter", when that series was initially premiering, the comments that I came across on the MDL page for that series, were some (not all) viewers in anticipatory GLEE, that there would be scenes of "naughtiness" between Tae Sung, having his way with Hae Bom. When those scenes didn't happen, some folks (not all) were annoyed that those scenes weren't included, and dismissed the series as "less than the manwha". After I watched the entire series, and thoroughly enjoyed it, and the portrayals by the lead actors, Kang Hui, and Ok Jin Uk, I found the manwha. I was relieved that the screenwriters/director chose to not be as true to the original story, because frankly, after the first two volumes of the story, it was basically just scenes of Tae Sung ravishing Hae Bom, without giving him a chance to breathe.
If a BL is set in a high school universe and has one kiss and its mediocre but the plot, acting, etc are good, then ok I'm not gonna complain too much. Especially if the characters are written as sexually inexperienced. I don't need a kiss or NC scene at all if the rest is excellent like Cherry Magic.
But if a BL is advertised as hi heat, then cast actors with chemistry even if it's not the two top actors visually. And make sure before they're signed, that they can kiss and be physical with each other in a way that's believable. I'm not expecting a make out session during auditions but take the top choices and ask them to kiss each other, hug, etc and see which actors can easily do it in a realistic way.
Sometimes I think some actors are better at NC is because they're not 18 year olds with limited sexual experience. They understand what it means and how it feels when you act upon strong sexual desire so they can act the part.
And it drives me flipping crazy when some sexy scene is filmed with blinding bright lights when the scene is supposed to be at night. Sure people have sex with the lights on sometimes but not with bedrooms lit up like an airport runway!
lol... 'bedrooms lit up like airport runway!'.. so true..
A collection of random thoughts in no particular order...
The source material for Big Dragon does not leave much to work with. The novel is essentially smut with very little character growth and a ridiculous male pregnancy plot device. I am surprised my iPad survived.
Mame writes toxic story lines and flawed characters. Consent is dubious or not present. Stalking and refusing to respect boundaries are the pathway to love. Men's mental health issues is solved by the love of the Top. She writes traumatized characters well but the fix is sex aka love without actual treatment. Sky (Love in the Air) has serious trauma which goes untreated. Rain and Payu's story is the least toxic of her works that I have seen/read which is saying something.
Check Out was painful to watch. Zero chemistry. No story progression.
Unforgotten Night was hilarious intentionally or unintentionally. It is the Thai version of a telenovela. The BDSM elements were not believable or interesting. Did they even try to Google bondage?
Again, Fahlanruk's source material is not much to begin with either. It contains a non-consent scene which is glossed over and not dealt with appropriately. I hope the drama leaves it out. The ML's do not have enough chemistry to carry the story.
Hopefully, BL Producers and Directors will learn from series like Check Out. You can have a successful BL without NC scenes. Ideally, I want the best of both worlds. I want "good" NC scenes in the context of excellent acting, masterful direction, and a well written script. Is that too much to ask for? Maybe.
DMR2006 has some thoughts about how (and why) source material gets altered during adaptation for the screen. (It's in the replies to her original post, not her original post proper.) I feel like that discussion very much fits the spirit of your random thoughts. The example she used was Cherry Blossoms After Winter.
I feel for all the actors, who were unfortunately under contract for the completion of the series, "Check Out". Something happened between the production/concept of episode 0, to the bastardization of what was produced for the full season. Maybe the producers thought that everyone who watched episode 0 was just in it for the sex? For me, I was interested in seeing, how these two characters, Daonuea and Nine, could end up reconnecting with one another, after their initial connection, while on holiday. In the series, they didn't even seem like the same characters from the pilot episode.
@@VixenByNight72 Exactly. I really enjoyed episode 0. I felt like I was watching a completely different story with the main drama. The magic and chemistry were gone.
@@VixenByNight72 I likewise hope producers and directors learn something when a series like Check Out fizzles. And WERE those the same characters from O on!?
@@ronhilton9614 They only shared the same names as those characters on Episode O. They were totally different characters in the series. That's my belief.
Mediocrity not just limited to those with no scenes-
So disappointed with GMmtv series Vice Versa and the Exlipse- both had interesting premises but seemed to forget about it to concentrate on repetitive fan service, long stares, gay panic, - again and again.
Your comments on Big Dragon are on point- it and Unforgettable night are so badly acted, scripted etc that they are kind of funny to watch in small doses
I cannot begin to describe how disheartening it is to see "gay panic" listed as a trope BL producers include because they believe viewers will regard it as fan service. A selling point? Yuck. Worse, I suddenly think I've not appreciated this tendency previously. It's one thing for a character to be shown as confused about his sexuality or struggling with his own internalized homophobia. That's quite common among young adults. It's quite another if that anguish exists merely to sate audience appetite without any meaningful exploration of how and wh the self-doubt exists. First gay panics his way through nearly every episode of The Eclipse and, those actions have struck me as hollower than normal. Because "they exist not for character development or story reasons but instead for audience amusement" strikes me as the plausible reason why.
Good correlation to this video's main topic.
@@johnmaster3748 then you didnt watch show properly bc if you were in akk shows you would also have problems with accepting your sexuality
@@johnmaster3748 I also am keenly aware of gay panic as opposed to just trying to figure out ones identity. Thank you for bringing it up for people who will understand this or at least try to.
@@johnmaster3748 now i know what gay panic means after being on this channel so long and then googling words but earlier i used to always wonder why the main lead and his confusion about his sexuality was made fun of or used to create laughter. In reality, it must be very difficult for individuals to accept that they are gay different from other people. We live in a society where any deviation from the norm is not accepted easily.
@@zahrabjinu Thank you for looking up words when they lie outside your personal experience. Just Dave and I both tossed the expression about without defining it because we assume everyone grasps the concept. Just Dave's original objection was at the frequency with which BL series rely on the trope of gay panic. It's real, but so are homophobic parents, and too many series choose that route as well. My supplementary point is about inauthenticity. Namely, when gay panic is deployed as an entertainment device for the amusement of the audience without any real exploration of its origins, means of resolving or ameliorating it, or getting support. What's missing is character study or character development. That's why it feels hollow. Actually, Aye telling Akk "it's ok, I will wait for you" would be quite a supportive thing...except Aye keeps pushing him to reciprocate, hitting on him for a kiss, and badgering him about his feelings even after clearly being told no. NO MEANS NO. Even when you are a fictional character in a made-up scenario, no means no. In the middle of the judo class, while they square off on the mat Aye complains "I'm waiting to hear your feelings." (Ep 8) That's not cute. Not romantic. Not supportive. Not "waiting" for Akk to be ready. And not something audiences should cheer for. It is borderline sexual harassment the way it's been written. So in case the original post wasn't clear about this: the problem with gay panic in The Eclipse is not Akk or the fact he fails (episode after tiresome episode) to deal with those feelings. The problem is with how the writers have written the character and, especially, how they have written Aye dealing with it. You want to enjoy a show about guys kissing? Then demand the writers acquaint themselves with how gay panic actually feels, actually resolves, and is best handled. And if the writers choose some other route--because high school kids, after all, might not be equipped to deal with it--then that show had better depict realistic consequences. Otherwise, a show is just tossing out tropes about gay life in a hamhanded way without understanding them. That's hollow.
Bad buddy❤
WOW that got people commenting, I guess I will jump in with the rest of you and say I do not mind a well done NC scene. That being said I do not need any NC scenes if the series is well writen, directed, acted, filmed and cast, Symantic Error case in point. Would we be talking about KinnPorche without the NC scenes, that is part of what elevated it above the norm, it was not a perfect series and had some major flaws. Big Dragon, like Unforgotten Night was hyped well but basically these writers do not know how to turn a basically soft core porn book ment for late night reading into a series, so episode 2 of Big Dragon is basically the old not funny trope of having to go to the doctor and explain why you need medicine for your sore booty, this is as old as Make It Right. As BLC has pointed out early BL series were pushing the NC content from the begining and it was series like Make It Right amoung others that got BL banned from Thai tv and pushed it on to formates like Line TV and WETV. This is one of the reasons GMMtv has been so tame in the past. It is interesting that not so long ago when the Saint Zee series Why RU tried to step it up and took the NC content to a new level it got a lot of backlash from the fans as taking it to far and being to much like soft porn. WOW times have changed. As BLC said if you are going to do NC at lest do it well. Learn how to write a script please.
Liking Roommates of Poongduck 304, good writing and acting.
For BLC I have been trying to find this Taiwanese movie Moneyboys and finally saw it, really liked it, very interesting look at Chinese gay life and choises.
Sam Tab, I won't put my boxing gloves on but I thought the Doctor visit scene in Big Dragon was funny to my perhaps juvenile mind. Interesting bringing up Make It Right. Their Doctor's visit was shocking to me and I wondered if we would ever see post-s_x issues like that dealt with again. (And Moneyboys IS very good).
I checked moneyboys and it is nearly 2 hours long. i am so busy these days.. I watch Khun Chai only hence I will give it a try later on. I agree with you on Big Dragon.. kinda turning into unforgotten Night 2.0.
@@blcritic Understood, I have been watching Khun Chai also, typical big tv drama but it is done well and like it a lot. I watched episode 3 of Big Dragon, so stupid, they have a little bit of everything, some bondage, some ghost scare, some gay marriage promo, the silly bodyguards, just stupid writing in general and no chemistry with those guys. Yes Unforgotten Night 2.0.
Thank God Eclipse, My Only 12% and Love In the Air are wrapping it up next week. Kinda surprised how Eclipse from GMMtv is so much a Promo for gay love. My Only 12% I could have liked but I find the character Earth plays so annoying it spoils it for me and Earth becoming PP 2.0 in real life really puts me off. I really liked Earth before, I thought he was clever and fun. The second Love in the Air couple Sky and Pai I like better than the first, but will be interested to see if Mame deals with her typical sexual trama drama issue in her stupid way.
Hope you are to busy in a good way, miss your always spot on insight.
@@samtab2364 You got it right about the mishmosh called Big Dragon. I thought they were on an upswing. Foolish me, the episode was all over the map and didn't know where to land.
Hi, do you think that in the next 2-3 years we will get a BL series that is co-financed by a UK/US company with 1 of the leads being UK/US? I would like to see BL stories but with better production quality and different perspective of the writers.
Thanks, this is an idea I haven't seen brought up. Would BL fans rebel against a series with an American or Brit lead, for example? I would give it a try.
We might... we are having some Thai actors in Korean BL so we will have more cooperation in between east Asian countries, however, we might get Western Collaboration also.. but the chances are higher for Korean BL or Japanese BL.. but let's see.
@@blcritic Thanks.
I totally agree with all of your comments!
Thank you!
Ideas for Two Future Videos (if the topics appeal)
So, I was just imbibing some scintillating content from a different BL-oriented YT channel (yes, I am promiscuous with my pursuit of BL information--no shame!), when I encountered a post amidst the Comments from our very own J Scott. That post proclaimed the following dramatic thesis:
"Miracle of Teddy Bear is the most divisive series of the year," opined J. I quickly countered with a post arguing SCOY sowed more division.
But then--an epiphany! Cutie Pie had split audiences, too. And then I thought all three series had a claim for that dubious title. And, for different causes. Why are BL audiences suddenly so multi minded about the virtues and faults among our proliferating pool of possible BL pursuits? But "most divisive series of the year" is not my suggested topic, albeit that does work. Rather, the more interesting question would be *What is the significance of so much more audience division in 2022* ? Is it the shows? Or is it the nature of the (growing) audience? I think it's interesting.
Meanwhile, I also watched The Eclipse ep 11 today. While that series will not land on my Best of list, I thought the penultimate was quite excellent. In fact, I think the case could be made that it could be the most effective, satisfying penultimate GMMTV has ever produced. (No curse! Twin stunning revelations!) That assessment raises the broader question, *What is the job a penultimate episode must deliver and which series have done it best* ? And that would be a funnone, too.
That's my piece. Have a good day!
I probably should have said "one of the most divisive series of the year" since SCOY is another very strong contender for the top spot.
I like the idea @John Master came up with about the significance of audience division in 2022. I think it reflects on both the growing audience and the sheer number of BLs being produced, many of which are crap.
I'd be curious to hear your thoughts, Mr. BL Critic.
@@j_scott very true about the volume of series produced being an element. But the crap ones don't explain the phenomenon. Because neither Lovestage nor That's My Candy is divisive. There's a consensus there: they are crap. There's also consensus around Bad Buddy and Semantic Error: they are elite. Consensus doesn't mean "universally accepted," of course. I'm sure the first two have champions and the latter two have detractors. But by and large these series generate neither heated takes in the Comments nor exhortations urging people to open their eyes to obvious strengths /flaws that somehow got overlooked. But it just seems to me this year has seen a marked increase in series that have elicited vociferous debate about their merits. So, what's up with that?
@@johnmaster3748 IDK. I think some of us are willing and able to give certain types of crap a pass if the rest of the BL series is good. Maybe that plays a role? Fluff vs drama, happy endings vs sad or open endings, a chaste kiss vs lots of sexy times. There's a lot to consider when it comes to what makes something divisive.
@@j_scott "..a lot to consider..." hence, why it makes a good video topic!
Both of the ideas are really good.. I even find 'list of most divisive ones' also appealing. I can definitely talk about the penultimate episode , however, for the first idea, I will write the script first and check. As both John and J Scott mentioned, there are a lot of factors including the audience, and if i categorize the audience, it might fell like I am attacking them, those of us who have watched almost all the BL from HCTM to Bad Buddy will have a different taste from those who started from Kinn Porsche and found Unforgotten Night really good. And what about those Fujoshis who are served LITA by their queen Mame? hehe
Is this my new vice? Now I am checking in once in a while to read and enjoy the interaction between BLC , J Scott, David Means and John Master. I trust this Brain Trust. (And other contributors who show insight with their posts.)
Tbh i love reading comments in here... i tend to reply almost everybody. I am lucky that the viewer base are really intellect in here and almost all of the comments require great insight on the topic of the video.
@@blcritic You are the creator that is the most interactive with your followers. I, for one, appreciate your humor and sarcasm both.
I think bl is forever developing, it's still a fledgling as a international and public genre
Ailongnhai is so cute! I think Nhai has a a great personality, which we do not see often. I feel he's clumsy and can laugh at himself, but also is very introspective. I also think it's a positive that the whole series is about him trying to be okay with his sexual preference. They're addressing it in a very mature way. He's very communicative with Ai and Ai is very patient with him. I think their kissing is not gaudy or over the top, but it is still sensual and it is definitely not as bad as Fahlanruk. This is probably the only series that I'm really enjoying right now. I hope that they explore Ai's character a little more. BTW, I cracked up at the GMMTV dig. Tay is my favorite GMMTV actor and it is a travesty how they paired him with Thai Park Shin Hye, New. New is so handsome, but so blah.
Ai Long Nhai is funny till date.. and yes I liked the way Nhai is portrayed. hehe Tay is one of my fav.. he is a real fun character off screen.. it looks like it is good to be friends with him.
The actors have to agree to give NC scenes or go to GMMTV😂😂😂😂😂
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Me Critic has a way with his words sometimes. That line basically summarized how thai bl industry works!
I have noticed that series that are marketed as f*ck bois are giving us Anti-F*ck Boi behaviour, Love in the Air, Fahlanruk, Ai Long Nhai, Big Dragon and even Unforgotten Night. Bad boys who do laundry, who are caring for their lovers, WHO ARE TENDER. So strange.
Omg that’s true! I am confused now! Are we supposed to love such boys ? Maybe these Bl fbois are from another planet !😅
@@zahrabjinu Glad I am not the only one who noticed.
hehe so true... as I am perfectly single so I'd love one like that.. who'd come and cook, do dishes, laundry and more importantly give me sponge bath if i am drunk.. which'd be almost everyday. lol
@@blcritic You should do a video on the top 10 BL tropes and which BL series has the most of them. Before I watched BL I always thought sponge baths were for OLD SICK PEOPLE. Not given to and by hot young, guys LOL
@@blcritic oh ho, you can maybe lower that bar a little. Laundry and cooking and sponge baths that too everyday 😀? Check married couples and how much chores husbands do.Btw, you shouldn’t be drinking every other day.😮Alcohol is a depressant.
Louder for the people in the back, please!! I am EXHAUSTED of listening to people praising average to mediocre series based solely on some hot scenes badly edited and with worse acting. Come on! If you want to watch a s3x scene poorly directed, with a lame acting and worse editing, let me be very real, you should be watching p0rn. And some of them are even free. GIVE ME A STORY. I am not naive, I know that s3x is a part of selling the series and also a part of the life of adult people. But if that is everything that a series can bring, there is another world of cinematography that you should be looking at.
With that said, I must say I am watching Fahlanruk and Big Dragon. The first only because of the side couples (which, I must say, is the reason I have watched most of the series I did this year), and the last because I find it funny despite everything (I have watched worst things for worse reasons, so).
I just need good stories in the upcoming series to be happy. I am praying for better days 🙏
Renan Monte: applause for what needed to be said! Your line leading to "might as well watch porn" (paraphrased) is one I've been waiting for someone to post.
Totally agree
Agree
see i love a good nc but im not all about it tho but i do get a bit disappointed if the mains dont even share a good kiss in series i love a bit of naughtiness in my series but im a perv what can i say and be4 i get a lot of hate iv only been watching dramas for the last 6 months my orginal love for bl comes from manga which iv been reading for over 5 years now and man there are some really naughty mangas out there and i love them
I checked out of Big Dragon after episode 1 because it was like the novel. However, I was pleasantly surprised to admit that I ate my words after coming back in episodes 3. It isn’t as all NC scenes that is selling this series for me but the raw emotions of falling in love with 2 problematic people. It is such a departure from the novel. If you think this series is like the dumpster fire that is Fahlanruk then you are not giving the series the proper credit as I did. I don’t know how they are going to do the rest of the episodes but I hope they don’t rush it or give it more episodes like they did in Oh My sunshine night. I rather have a season 2 that bad writing to tie up loose ends. We can have To My Star instead of OMSN. A lot of people are worry about the not having enough episodes and want more. This is very concerning to me as this can be one of my favorites or not.
Big Dragon is a bit better than Falhanruk, and their last NC scenes was fire. The number of episodes are low but i tihnk it is enough as there is not much plot
I saw Ep 1 of Ai long nai and something called big dragon that Yt showed up. I was like WTF. The graph of Thai bls instead of going up its going down. I didn't understand a thing about Big dragon or Red dragon except that guy recorded a clip- the english subtitling was so bad. I hope for Thai language viewers those dramas made sense because without good English subtitles they make less sense to me.Another set of fresh new faces though in both. Now I have my hopes tied up to Step by step, I feel u linger in the air & the one with Earth & Mix.
Ai long Nhai is marketed as this adult content series... and That Big Dragon is based on a p*rn novel. that's why i wrote ' if NC scenes are the only highlight of the series, they should be good'. Looks like this year I will find it hard to make train wrecks video.
@@blcritic Due to the amount of material that you will have to edit in for the video? There's been a lot of train wrecks for 2022.
@@blcritic 😂 but look at the bright side…There will be only 2 definitive category: the good ones and the trainwrecks.I can’t seem to recall any bl as of now which falls into ‘ could be better if only……’
But it will be hard to choose 10 worst one from 50 or more equally worst ones
Hey BLC, it's your nosy and presumptuous buddy way over here. Just checking to see if things are settled in and how you are doing. Also, can you believe the responses to your video (and still going on!)?
Hey Ron! Yeah things are going good. I must say good till now. The Economic forecast are frightening still We are expanding our business more in Feb.. Frankly it is unbelievable.. though sometimes I am too blunt, still people in here can take the humor. I am thankful for that.
@@blcritic My Bluntness Scale says you are at a perfect level. Glad to hear you are doing well. Yeah, in the US we have a recession progressing. Keep up your efforts in business and, when time allows, for us.
@@blcritic
Mr Critic : "sometimes I am too blunt."
Me: hey, could you get more specific with your vague remarks.
Ron H.: "you are at a perfect level."
Well, one of us is bound to be right! Actually, the beauty of these meaty topics is that all three of us can be right simultaneously. So, let's all keep on keeping on!
I like good levels of intimacy, but not p*rn*gr*phy. If a story has virtually no intimacy beyond staring into each others eyes...it is too tame almost always. I am an adult and I should be able to see physical affection and a good script and acting at the same time! I want a story and love. Not JUST NC scenes.
It is important to fit the story to the level of intimacy. Like say Takara-kun To Amagi-kun supports a very gentle interaction between the two main characters. Having a full blown NC scene would not fit the tenor of the story at all. Some stories get the balance right, others do not.
I love the first couple in Love in the Air Payu and Rain. I did notice that the actor was 'having s*x' with his boxers on. Quite a challenge. But it was still a well done, very sensual scene by the actors that fit the story, tho the editing could have been better for sure.
KinnPorsche was great and the NC scenes added to that greatness. It was about the Mafia, so that isn't packing your lunchbox level of cuteness. It supports a raw plot. In your face, and a bit shocking.
It is ok to have mild levels of BL for those that like that, all the way up to more adult moments. But NC scenes without good actors, without a real story to tell...is dreary. I could order that kind of stuff if I wanted to watch p*rn.
So many good points N Neichan. I really appreciated the phrase "important to fit the story to the level of intimacy". Many failures to list. I noticed the "boxers on" s_x scene. At least that way no one gets pregnant.
@@ronhilton9614 "Fit the story to the level of intimacy" stood out to me as well. Well phrased and well argued.
On the other hand, I am not sure those boxers are the most foolproof contraceptive device available in today's market. I would discourage our fellow readers from heeding your advice on effective methods of birth control.
John Master 😂😂
@@johnmaster3748 If Rain becomes preggers...I salute the both of them!
@@johnmaster3748 You gave me a good laugh with my morning tea and now I will cancel my purchase of stock in Boxers R Us.
Honestly if other countries had done right most of bl drama series I think thai could do it too. Maybe viewership is different that's why it end up this way but if more of dramas would be created with good stories and mo nc scenes as with their other Asian colleagues I guess we can fairly say in the future that no all things should have sex in the storyline. Sex is part of life but I think media should rethink about portraying it. Is there a need for it or will the series be ending up with like a soft core porn as others have put it. I think also proper portrayal of these dramas would greatly help awareness and visibility of our friends in this community. Im hoping for a future that will have no need for NC scenes in this dramas. It's a cliche not to have one but it is always be good to preseny stories as stories without obvious scenes that most if not all know how you do it.
good points.. I think it is just a phase.. a fad.. hence.. once the BLs start doing poorly, makers will focus on script and acting again.
Yes maybe because I'd seen Japanese go thru the same thing. For Korea they mostly have those scenes from movies instead of dramas. But case and point both Taiwan and Korean less or no NC scenes in their dramas bl in the general or their precedessors LGBT and or queer media. Maybe there is something we didn't see but my perspective maybe it's a phase I agree or maybe it's the way people like their media. Who are we to judge right. But yet again hope against hope that good representation can be made better and more social accepted portrayal will benefit our friends in the community what ever their colors are so too speak. That way our world would be a far more better and beautiful place for us and the next generation.
I so agree with you. If I can't drink my chai while watching the drama happily while trying to figure out the NC scene which leaves me and my chai cold I rather not see it. I don't want to see any one's bare butt.Actors are well clothed in the dramas I can make out how toned his body is with his clothes on. I think the way entertainment industry used women by making them shed all their clothes over the years they are doing the same with the boys. Most of these are unnecessary to most storylines in a drama.
@@zahrabjinu Thank you for making so many good points and reminding us of the way showbiz used to say "take it off baby" with women. I chuckled because I am often drinking chai and don't welcome coldness!
@@zahrabjinu and the fact that we are in a new times so to speak I guess that's not only applicable to women now even men are being fantasize and or being glorified or to certain extent were being worshipped like women in media before them. I guess those are for men are not for men only in these days. One observation I saw and this is very prevalent maybe on certain apps especially those who provides live comments on videos being watch. Case and point don't watch drama if you are always looking for NC scenes. If you're that type just watch p*rn instead. It such an annoying thing to see people even though you can turn it off that people will always try to find NC scenes even in those dramas that they know that will never have. Well that shows what the current generation or maybe some of them are now and maybe media played a role in that and also lack of family guidance as well. Praying it change.
I'm waiting for a dissection and commentary on Young Royals 2. BLC? John? Dave?___?
I enjoyed it--*with mixed feelings. *That is not a cop-out It is a description.
I will do this week. I have finished watching and thoroughly enjoyed.
Hi, I visited GMM GRAMMY BUILDING shop. It was so disappointing. Just one cabinet of things. I thought it was going to be a whole nice shop with standies of the different actors and BL series. And Yes the blue Pete & Kao tumbler was out of stock with no plans of being restocked 😒. It was a fun visit. I love riding on the motorbike taxis
You should do a video on just how many endorsements BL actors do. It is I inane. Food, cosmetics, mobile phones, banks and credit cards, motorbikes. No wonder people are willing to do at least 1 BL series to get famous to jump on to a lucrative business opportunity.
that's what i do not get.. what's the point of having a merch shop when they sell nothing..
When your video began i thought you will talk about how badly so many nc scenes are shot.Its just flashing of the body - how muscular the man or how pretty his silhouette is. I didn’t like NC scenes of Kinn Porsche.infact those early Bls which showed young teenagers awkward and fumbling, i used to skip those scenes because it made me uncomfortable. If they are going to shoot them so poorly in most bls i rather not see them.Thai actors most of them are very uncomfortable doing those over the top scenes - it is clearly visible on the screen.Their Japanese counterparts are not .The koreans & taiwanese are becoming more better in making it look realistic. NC scenes comes with nudity so then make it available with adult rating. But they are putting it out on YT with ‘uncut’ version .What nonsense is that ! Frankly, most Thai NC scenes just leave me indifferent,Japanese ones are too much tongue based of which they show a close up - i have no idea why.Maybe because i belong to the ‘another’ demographic - i am busy admiring the eyes,how much makeup is done on him,his features,the set design basically everything else than what they are doing on the bed or in air.
BL series are turning more and more into Soft porn. Acting, direction, and the story are totally missing. When you make a good series you need no NC scenes. Look At Bad Buddy ..no NC scenes just a few kisses but the acting and story made it such a lovely series, worth watching million times. I have seen many hit Series where the leads (at least one) who did not like kissing. These actors just used BL to garner Fame and then never return to BL series.
agree
I didn't watch anyone of these shit. I was planning to watch love in the air but then you said it doesn't have a good story line so idea is dropped.
I like dramas with stories like Young Royals, Heartstopper, even Moonlight chicken had a great storyline
I don't care about NC scenes when the skript and acting is solid. The perfect example is Cherry Magic. This BL stood out because of the acting and interesting plot and they even didn't kiss once. Or We Best Love, the kissing between the main leads was more exciting than any NC scene ever. Bad Buddy also didn't have any of those but it was very good made. I don't lice NC in straight dramas either. I know that everybody is think KinnPorsche is next level but I didn't like the plot that much even when the acting was on point. Love in the Air was one of the worst BL's for me really boring and only popular for the sex between the leads. I think it is a thing of preference but I didn't like any of the newer BL's.