A Sick Game Gone Wrong? The Case of Amanda Knox | A True Crime Story
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- Опубликовано: 26 ноя 2022
- In November of 2007 all eyes were on Italy. A horrifying murder had just taken place. The media reported on a sex game gone wrong…At the center of this gruesome story was a 20 year old American exchange student named Amanda Knox. And what started out as a year abroad ended in her and her boyfriend being accused of stabbing her roommate, Meredith Kercher. Today we'll be exploring the aftermath of what happened on November 1st, 2007.
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For those who believe the mixed DNA of Kercher and Knox indicates Knox's guilt think of mixed DNA this way:
You spit your toothpaste into the sink and you give it a quick rinse but a small amount still remains with your saliva DNA in it. The next day your partner cuts himself shaving and a spot of blood lands on top your toothpaste remnant. You later see the blood and take a wipe to clean the sink. Will that wipe pick up ONLY your toothpaste or ONLY your partner's blood? No, it will pick up both and mix them together. This is how mixed DNA happens most of the time. The DNA does not have to be left at the same time or even from the same source. Their mixed DNA is common and completely innocent.
What a great explanation! 💛
@@ArmchairInvestigator It's really very simple but some people are just convinced that the mixed DNA had to be left at the same time and is evidence of Knox's guilt. It just isn't.
@@mytrip6991 but you explained it simply and beautifully - and, in my opinion, better than most experts have!
@@ArmchairInvestigator Thanks
now explain the bidet, Filomena's room sample and the corridor sample
Doing handstands in the police station in such a serious situation makes me think that she can't possibly be a full shilling😂
I think she was only doing yoga, to relax, she had been there for hours, the cartwheel thing was a fabrication.
Because she is a narcissist, that’s what they do, the attention must be on them all the time, if it isn’t on them they get nasty,
@@Cate7451There is CCTV footage of the cartwheel & other behaviour while there .
@@sarahholland2600 No, there is NO video of Amanda at the Questura. Not sure why you think there is, but you are most assuredly wrong.
She was sitting in the waiting area and decided to do some yoga to stretch, something her family says she does quite often. One of the cops wanted to see how flexible she was so he asked her if she could do a split. I find nothing wrong with this, but I suppose from a pro-guilt perspective, given they have nothing else, they'll latch onto anything.
I really want to hear more about why Meredith’s family believe Amanda is the true culprit.
IMO. It's very suspicious that Amanda fingered Patrik from the outset. Patrik was later found not to be involved at all, wasn't even at the crime scene. He was later cleared of his charges and was paid compensation by the state. Big question is: WHY did she say it was Patrik? Did she actually see Patrik at the crime scene? If yes, then she must have been there herself! If so, what was she doing there at the time of the crime? Perhaps she actually saw Ruddy, and if she had said she saw Ruddy, then it would reveal that she was there herself, making her either the murderer or an accomplice. Her own alibi from the beginning was that she was with Raffaele at his place, so how can she have seen Patrik or Ruddy or anyone AT the house.
@@istudios225 It was the police that wanted her to point at him, after they had read and misinterpreted a text message. At that point, they had already found a black hair in Meredith's room and desperately wanted to find a possible black suspect. So, they forced Amanda to blame the only black male she knew. It was the police that wanted Lumumba to be the murderer, not Amanda.
@@christiangwenner6384that's not what happened,her supporters just love to say lies very confidently, so trusting but ignorant people that don't know much believe them
Because they have been misled by blinkered prosecutors and the tabloid media and should not be made to deal with the fact that they have accused an innocent girl. They've suffered enough.
@@paulsansonetti7410 One thing's for sure, people who studied the case and the court documentation know Knox and Sollecito are innocent. So, there's simply no need to look for far fetched clues, when the evidence on the actual case is waterproof. Everything else is sensationalism and disrespects the victims.
I feel so so so much for Meredith, the fear she must have been going thru and the polices lack of care was such a slap in the face. This whole case makes me so angry. Great video!
Meredith deserved so much better than what she got. I’ve been thinking a lot about her last moments and it breaks my heart. 😞
American entitlement is what it was. I'm English and knew from start she was guilty. A nasty, jealous creature. And tried to blame the black bouncer . Typical. She should be locked up. A cold blooded murderer.
@@KittyKat-vb1nd What about english entitlement? You know, that attitude that says "we're better than Americans" because we think we are. No, Amanda was not guilty, that's your english entitlement speaking, the forensics in the murder room itself proved that Rudy Guede acted alone, and he was black BTW, so a black man did commit the crime. That fact was affirmed by the Italian Supreme Court who acquitted her and clearly stated that Rudy Guede acted alone in the actual physical act of murder against Meredith. It is inarguable based on iron clad physical evidence.
@@jeremiahjohnson1513 I agree with most of your post, but with one exception: the SC did not, and legally could not, declare that Rudy Guede acted alone in the actual murder. That is because a previous SC (Giordano, 2010) made it a judicial fact that Guede did not act alone, but In "concorso" with others. A SC judicial fact cannot be overturned by another SC even if it's factually wrong. Thus, the Marasca-Bruno SC could only declare, as they did, that whoever those 'others' were, they were not Knox and Sollecito.
@@KittyKat-vb1nd From the start you knew? Why is that? Because Meredith was English and Knox is American? Sounds to me like pre-existing prejudice. It certainly can't be due to the facts because you make a very basic mistake in your:Lumumba wasn't a 'bouncer';. He was the owner of the small bar where Knox worked.
Being black had nothing to do with it, except for the police already believing a black man was involved due to a 'negroid hair' being found near Kercher's genitals. A 'hair' that turned out later to be wool fiber.
Why An Orange Belt In Karate May Put You In Even Greater Danger
Karate, in most forms, is more of a traditional art form with very little value for immediate self-defense. The orange belt also indicates little more than a beginner. At best, this slightly improves balance and reflexes. Many years will pass before the techniques are so automated that they can be called up in moments of greatest stress. And even then, the chances of surviving against a knife attack are very slim.
The biggest effect is that students believe they have above-average combat skills and may therefore risk confrontation when flight is the only viable option.
However, it is unlikely that played a role here. In such situations, the psychological readiness to hurt another person is far more crucial than physical ability. Even the best training is of little help against a criminal who is ready for violence. An orange belt doesn't help at all.
It's amazing how many people think Kercher "knew" karate and think it proves that multiple people had to be involved.
"The evidence shows that Amanda was at the scene of the murder." Lol you have got to be kidding me. What a joke. And so many people ate up the prosecution's and medias theory about blood. DNA isn't solely blood. And I'd find it extremely odd if Amanda's DNA/saliva, wasn't in the bathroom sink. Its amateur hour over there. This case is a perfect example of how a willful and woefully ignorant and biased prosecutor, who should have his law license revoked, can absolutely destroy innocent people's lives. This case was absolutely disgusting and its 101 malicious prosecution. Based on nothing but theory and instinctual emotions instead of direct evidence. I typically never suggest a license to practice law be revoked, however, this is one situation where it isn't just neccessary, its absolutely warranted. If you study and look into this case, just below the surface level, as you don't even need to get deep in it, you'll see what an absolute circus this was and how Amanda and Rafael's lives were both destroyed by some prosecutor that i wouldn't trust to even sweep up floors as a janitor. Thankfully they're home and this didn't destroy them. It could have very easily due to the stupidity and ignorance of parties involved with the charging instruments. Disgusting.
Thankfully, Mignini retired and is no longer capable of prosecuting people based on his "Sherlock Holmes-like" abilities to see 'evidence' where others do not. I mean, who knew that only a woman would cover another woman's body? /s
According to ABC, Amanda was convicted by two Italian judges and six jurors, unanimously. You have to account for that too. The prosecutor is not judge, jury and executioner.
I appreciate how you tell the stories. You don’t insert your opinions and you don’t waste the listeners time with extraneous chatter. You sound professional, much like a broadcaster. I’ll definitely be listening to more of your videos. This one is proving to be interesting.
I’m really glad you enjoyed the video, Chrissie!
The biggest victim in all of this was still Meredith.
25:17 if she accuses an innocent man, he can't say anything to incriminate anyone responsible, because he doesn't actually know anything...
Beautifully and artistically well crafted, as always, Brooke!
Always so nice to hear from you! 💛
@@ArmchairInvestigator thought we lost ya for minute lol
@@portablepulpit I definitely wasn’t thrilled to go this long between episodes, but ongoing internet issues has made things challenging to say the least! 😫
@Armchair Investigator Keep em comin'! And I want to see your channel grow!!!
Enjoying your content and glad you covered some information new to me. Happy to become a subscriber!! Good luck with the channel.
This whole thing is messed up. I was a kid when this happened. So I vaguely remember Knox’s face being all over the news. So sad for Meredith’s family. I have a 17 year old daughter. Never will she go over seas until I think she can handle herself and lay low. 13 years , even 16 years is an insult to that young girl who had her life brutally taken. That should of been a life sentence w no parole. He had previously offended. He will again.
The US has unusually long sentences for murder. That's why itt seems too short to us.
You apparently were a kid who had a 1 year old daughter when this happened?
@@BleakVision Hey Bruh...looks like you need to get a life. This occurred in 2007. My dtr was 2 yrs old. My interpretation of a kid is someone not grown-up mentally still. Like you are apparently. Maybe do something better w your time.
This is a major disbelieve. Its utter nonsense.
I'm a big fan and love your presentation style and also that you cover cases that aren't getting proper attention, so I wanted to make you aware, with only kindness intended, that people usually say "uh-talian" rather than "eye-talian".
Just found your channel. Your voice is sooo soothing and perfect for this job. Im so excited to watch all your videos.
Thank you! 🥺🥺🥺
I must say this is the best, most comprehensive, most detailed and most complete narration of this convoluted case that I have ever come across. Kudos! Excellent job! Well done!
What a compliment! Thank you so much!
@@ArmchairInvestigator
Hear!Hear!
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At 7:06 the narrator talks about Perugia resident Elissabetta Lana finding phones in her garden. What was left out is of extreme significance and concerning. The night before shortly after the time of the murder, Elisabetta received an anonymous call that there was a bomb in her bathroom and to not even flush the toilet. Concerned she called the police. They came in minutes, got out of their cars with flashlights and headed away from the house and began searching the far corner of her yard. The next morning she heard a phone ringing and thought it must have been dropped by the police who searched that spot first out of their cars. That is why she brought it to the postal police. While she was there her kid found the second. The police searching Lana's yard should not have been left out. It is either a one in a billion coincidence or Rudy Guede was doing dirty work for corrupt elements of the police and they went there to clean up the mess.
Interesting . . I never heard that part . .
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Rudy definitely left a bomb in _Meredith's_ bathroom, that's for sure.
They never even looked in the house, very strange
Great job! Thank you, Brooke! ❤❤❤❤❤❤
There is a reason in America we have the 5th Amendment and every good lawyer tells you never speak to the cops as cops are allowed to lie when questioning people.
I’m pro cop but at the same time I’d take the lawyer’s advice. Not sure how it plays out in Italy but before traveling abroad I’d want to know how to protect myself and how to contact support from the Embassy if needed.
I just found your Channel early early this morning, and your case coverages are awesome, at the end of this one I was literally holding my breath at the end of it! I am so mad for those families! I thought our justice system was bad here!!! Wow, those poor kids! I'm never going to Italy! Not that I could afford to with the economy like it is now LOL
My prayers go out to all the families involved, you would think the guy that actually murdered that poor girl would have manned up and took the blame! What a lowlife coward! he not only murdered one girl, he ruined the lives of two other very young adults!
The police named Patrick they told amanda he did it during an interrogation that took place between 10pm-6am after 40 hours of interrogation over 5 days
You're the greatest! 🤗
I've only recently discovered your channel, I'm thouraly enjoying it
I’m so glad to hear that!
They didnt want to arrest rudy because he was a police informant
Italian police useless. Same as Madeline Mc Cann, blamed her parents ???? Seriously. Destroyed the crime scene.
Amanda's behavior, (yoga, cartwheels, doing handstands and even her subdued emotional displays) sounds more like a result of immaturity and possibly where she grew up, in the Northwest rather than pointing to her guilt. Living in the Northwest myself, I can see why the Italian newspapers had a field day with her quirky behavior because it was so different from their own. With the exception of Rudy, I feel terrible for all involved.
thats the same behavior as other guilty females
@@lolas185And where are your statistics to back that up?
I’ve been reading up and watching anything and everything pertaining to this case, for years, and I still have no idea what happened or who’s to blame. It’s just baffling and gets more and more complicated the more you learn.
It's not complicated, the Rude Guede killed her and was in jail for it.
Maybe they Judy and Meredith's know each other and he force upon her which turns violent and he created a mess to look like a break in (as he was experienced in it) he then took her phone deleted contacts and text and throw away her phone on the way to house. Stealing electronics will make him completely criminal but he try to create a doubt and run away
yup "life sentence" for murder in South Europe is on average 15 years. im truly ashamed of these laws because they let criminals roam free eventually. it's crazy. i wish the laws were more strict as they are in the US.
No, a disbelieve. Prevention by improving emotional and financial living conditions, opening the bad educational system,unchooling, promoting kids and families, Montessori Pedagogics and the World Educational Fellowship...but this is what Politicians do not want...
Great job Brooke! Ive seen alot of this case in its 16 years. Yours here explains it in the greatest detail and clearest path. Thank You. I am appreciateing your great storytelling often in the last few weeks. As a new subscriber I feel my time is limited and i can be quite quick to move to old reliable sites when looking for a story to hear. Much luck and love going forward!
Wow, thank you! I appreciate you saying that! I’m so glad you subscribed. 💛
Why was Knox bedroom lamp found in murder room?
Who knows? But since Knox had not stayed in her room for the last week and Kercher had no lamp on her desk, I'd guess she may have borrowed it. Kercher had one 60W wall light above the side of her bed and a 40 watt table lamp next to her bed which was plugged into a multiplug under her bed. If she wanted a light on her desk, she had to unplug the table lamp and then plug it in at the desk. Then she had to return it to her bedside table and plug it in under her bed again. Much easier to borrow Amanda's and just leave it on the desk.
Another possibility is that the police themselves took Knox's lamp and used it to see into Kercher's room better before they were allowed to enter. The lamp plug was pulled out near the wall socket between the door and the desk. Not everyone at the scene was asked how the lamp got there and there was no testimony that the lamp was there when the police arrived.
The location of the lamp itself at the foot of Kercher's bed with the cord trailing in front of the door with the plug pulled out near a socket between the door and the desk suggests it could have been on the desk at the time of the attack and was violently knocked off pulling the cord out.
There are certainly more plausible explanations as to why the lamp was in Kercher's room than the one the pro-guilt embrace.
When asked why her lamp was in Kercher's room, a guilty Knox would have lied and plausibly explained it by saying Kercher had borrowed it with her permission. But Knox said she didn't know why it was in Kercher's room because or how it got there.
Battistelli, the postal cop, didn't want to touch anything in room, so he got Amanda's lamp to look under the bed in case the killer was still in there, that's my guess.
BTW, he was quite the liar.
I absolutely love listening to you as usual, your accent is so cute when you pronounce some S sounds SH like exhausted you say exhaushted, but I have to tell you that as a European it sounded so weird to me that you pronounce Italy and Italian as eye-taly and not uh-taly or ee-taly (the latter, ee-taly is how we say it as Europeans). Is this pronunciation typical from the Midwest?
I’ve never in my life been told I say Italian weird…until this video LOL! 🤣 I definitely think it’s a Midwest thing.
Just found your channel, I enjoyed your video very much. You do a great job. New subscriber here
I’m so glad you subscribed! Thank you! 💛
The detective was under investigation for improper investigating in the murder in Florence case he used amanda as way of fixing his reputation
It’s so obvious she did it. The nonsensical speculation and excuses for this sociopath are a turn off.
If it's "so obvious" then why was she acquitted twice? What evidence is there that places her in the bedroom where Kercher was violently attacked and murdered?
Anyone knows the Turing Test and how to apply?
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Wrong
Upon arrival examining missing items police is told that hours prior Amanda took the mop at Raffaele's.
the case with false confession from 1990 is a different thing. There the man convinced himself that he might be guilty cause he himself would have done it in a blackout. How can Amanda believe that in a blackout she saw someone else as the perpetrator. Her story of false recollection makes no sense. I'm also sick of hearing that everyone griefs differently. Yes, you can not go to a funeral cause you're in shock, for example. But you would still look in shock and distraught - the rest of the time. She was cool as a cucumber the whole time and that's weird af. Yes, her behaviour did remind of Jodi Arias, very telling...
She didn't say she had a 'blackout". Her "false recollection" describes a very real phenomenon: internalized coerced false confession. One of the world's foremost experts on false confessions, Prof, Saul Kassin, says this is what Knox experienced. This is the definition:
"'Coerced-internalized false confessions' are those in which an innocent person-anxious, sleep-deprived, confused, and subjected to a highly suggestive interrogation that often includes the presentation of false evidence-actually comes to believe that he or she committed the crime."
Your statement that " She was cool as a cucumber the whole time" is not backed up by witnesses. According to witnesses like Luca Altieri who saw her at the cottage just after the discovery of the murder and at the police station later, said she cried and was later angry. Both are normal reactions. If you look at the photos or the video of Sollecito comforting her, she wears a blank and somber expression which is indicative of shock.
Agree. Her statements were rambling, incoherent, went all over the place and changed several times. If you're innocent, you would insist on your version of your story and would stick with it. Would an innocent person under suspicion of a violent crime be inconsistent with their story in hopes that the media, the public and especially the courts would excuse her because she was 'traumatised' by the event? Why would an innocent person facing a trial even take that enormous risk?
And yet, no actual evidence points to her guilt.
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@@istudios225 What inconsistencies are there outside of her interrogation? Meanwhile, the actual murderer changed his story every single time he spoke about it.
@@contentstarved991 So...the alleged and accused murderer changed his story several times and he is guilty. But Amanda changing her story several times is not guilty? Okay...!
For those who may not be aware this is what the Supreme Court in Italy - in conclusion of this case - held in relation to the three co-accused. Hence, the definitive findings.
1. Knox, as a witness who was herself present at the cottage at the time of the murder, dishonestly and knowingly accused an innocent man, of the murder. She was sentenced to, and served, a term of 3 years imprisonment for this offence.
2. Rudy Guede was guilty of the murder “in complicity with others”.
3. As stated above Knox was present at the scene of the murder, and as to her boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, it was not credible that he was not as well.
4. Meredith Kercher was attacked by more than one assailant, thus excluding that Rudy Guede was solely responsible for Meredith’s death.
5. A burglary had been staged at the cottage. Why? Who would be responsible for that? Bizarrely the Court drew no inferences and would not allocate the blame for that offence to any of the three accused.
6. There was no finding of fact as to who had inflicted the fatal stab wound.
7. Despite the above (and more) Knox and Sollecito were ultimately acquitted on the basis that the evidence against them was insufficient to allocate culpability.
8. It had the option under Italian law to exonerate both Knox and Sollecito but chose the Not Proven verdict instead.
Knox is a proven liar. Other than in her "Confession" she has always maintained, and still does to this day, that she was not at the cottage when the murder occurred. However, in addition to her “confession” there is other evidence that she was there. For example Meredith's DNA on the blade of Sollecito's knife, and his DNA on Meredith's bra clasp beneath Meredith's body. A staged burglary. Also Knox's lamp on the floor of Meredith's bedroom behind the locked door. The likelihood of Sollecito being involved, without Knox, is miniscule.
There was no forensic evidence that anyone other than the three accused were at the cottage and involved.
Barely mentioned, but highly significant is this other evidence.
In her e-mail and trial testimony Knox said there was no blood in the small bathroom when she used it the day before the discovery of the murder. However she also said that during her alleged shower at the cottage the next day, just before the discovery of the murder, she noticed blood on the washbasin faucet that was hardly likely to be hers because of the amount and because it was “caked” on.
Well. In fact, it was her blood as DNA analysis was to prove. Blood that must have been deposited, and had time to dry, in the period intervening between the two occasions when she freely admitted to using the bathroom : that is, in the evening or overnight when, according to her she was not there.
That was a lie exposed by the science and her own account.
Bent court. May be reversed in 2023. I dont think the lead judges Marasca & Bruno set out to be 100% bent though they were both political appointees (not career path) from Naples and were both chums with made men like Sollecito's Uncle Rocco. Sollecito's mafia-connected lawyer's appeal was simply for Sollecito's case ONLY to be sent back to the lower court and Knox abandoned to serve out her term. On the night of the oral ruling at the end of March 1915 the proceedings were mysteriously delayed for several hours, rumored by the President of the Republic upon an appeal from the US Embassy. Thereafter we saw 100% bent.
The bathroom evidence, well summarized here, was definitive for both RS and AK. Item 4 (multi attackers) above was primarily proven at trial behind closed doors, over many days, via the wound pattern, crime scene rearrangement, and one-day reconstruction of what was a barbaric 15-minute torture attack. Knox apologists "think" it wasn't proven, based simply on a couple of witnesses being cautious. But they know nothing of what happened in the closed court - with Knox & Sollecito sitting there in front of the jury looking green.
@@peterquennellnyc The problem you have is that M/B give good reasons for their decision to annul according to article 620 (annulment without referral):
"An objectively wavering process, whose oscillations, however, are also the result of clamorous failures, or investigative “amnesia” and of culpable omissions of investigative activity. Had they been carried out these would, in all probability, have led to a picture if not of certainty, at least of tranquil reliability pointing either towards guilt or innocence of today’s accused. Such a scenario, intrinsically contradictory, constitutes in itself already a first and eloquent signal of an investigation that was never capable of reaching a conclusion beyond any reasonable doubt."
The investigative and forensic failures were all highlighted in detail throughout the motivation report. While your reasons to suggest that the court was "bent" to come to such a conclusion is based on pure pie-in-the-sky, speculation, more reminiscent of substance abuse, than rational thought. In order to make sense you need to debunk M/B's conclusions in that respect by arguing that the forensic investigation was impeccable. Should be fun in the meantime.
"1915"? Surely not!
You said:
1. Knox, as a witness who was herself present at the scene of the murder, dishonestly and knowingly accused an innocent man, of the murder. She was sentenced to a term of 3 years imprisonment for this offence. This is a definitive conviction.
*You know as well as anyone else that Amanda and Raffaele were de facto suspects by the 5th November. You have no idea of how Lumumba was implicated in the murder since no audiovisual recordings were made. So you are speculating. Amanda included Lumumba and Rudy on the 23.00 list she made for Ficarra, so there was no attempt to implicate Lumumba or defend Rudy at Lumumba's expense at that time. Section 8.1. of M/B makes it clear that Amanda had no involvement in the murder; therefore, the mechanism for Amanda to willingly implicate Lumumba in the crime to cover for her own and Rudy's alleged involvement no longer exists. The calunnia conviction should have never been evaluated until the supreme court ruled on the other charges. The result being that M/B only embarrass themselves in trying to justify the calunnia conviction.
2. Rudy Guede was definitively convicted of the murder “in complicity with others”.
*Yet section 8.1. of Marasca-Bruno makes it clear that there is no evidence of anyone else involved in the murder, other than Rudy.
3. As stated above Knox was present at the scene of the murder, and her boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, probably was as well.
*You merely highlight the most absurd of M/B's conclusions. There is zero evidence that Raffaele was at VDP7 during the murder. M/B threw out the bra-clasp as an item of "no evidential value". Amanda went out on her own for hours on Halloween, so they weren't exactly joined at the hip were they?
4. Meredith Kercher was attacked by more than one assailant, thus excluding that Rudy Guede was solely responsible for Meredith’s death.
*Again! You merely highlight how absurd the judicial facts are in this case. Rudy was merely and accomplice but there is zero forensic or DNA evidence of anyone else. If that's the case then how can Rudy only be an accomplice?
5. A burglary had been staged at the cottage. Why? Who would be responsible for that? The Court drew no inferences and would not allocate the blame for that offence to any of the three accused.
* You're DOING IT AGAIN! The staged break-in is an absurdity not an actual fact. The judicial fact was contrived to specifically implicate Amanda and no one else. When M/B made it clear that the appellants did not commit the act, they totally undermined the theory of the staged break-in. The break-in is entirely consistent with Rudy's previous actual break-in at the law office.
6. There was no finding of fact as to who had inflicted the fatal stab wound.
*There is only one person who could have inflicted the fatal stab wound and that was Rudy. There is no evidence of anyone else. How many times!?
7. Knox and Sollecito were acquitted on the basis that the evidence against them was insufficient to allocate culpability.
*Culpability of what? Section 8.1. of M/B makes it clear that they were not involved in the murder. M/B add the specification "The appellants did not commit the act" So any suggestion that they may have committed the act but without evidence to prove it is nonsense. K&S cannot be held responsible for the incompetence of the investigators and scientific team.
8. It had the option under Italian law to exonerate both Knox and Sollecito but chose the Not Proven verdict instead.
*The specification "The appellants did not commit the act is consistent with the relevant criteria in paragraph 1. Unless you can tell me the difference between "the appellants did not commit the act as specified in M/B and the criteria in paragraph 1 of article 530 stating "The accused did not commit it". I'll leave that for you to work out.
You said "Knox is a proven liar. Other than in her "Confession" she has always maintained, and still does to this day, that she was not at the cottage when the murder occurred. However, in addition to her “confession” there is other evidence that she was there. For example Meredith's DNA on the blade of Sollecito's knife, and his DNA on Meredith's bra clasp beneath Meredith's body. A staged burglary. Also Knox's lamp on the floor of Meredith's bedroom behind the locked door. The likelihood of Sollecito being involved, without Knox, is miniscule.
*There was no "confession" despite your claims. You then go on to reference bogus evidence that was practically nullified by the M/B motivation report., yet you were quite content to reference your favourite bits in your list of 8 points above, as though the judgement was a buffet at a soiree. There is no sustainable evidence that K&S were present at VDP7 far less involved in the murder. That should lead you to question the apparatus that puts them there, namely the events of the 5th-6th Nov interrogations. Amanda's interrogation was riddled with human rights and domestic laws violations as indicated in the ECHR judgement, all of which you are prepared to ignore in an vacuous pursuit of guilt. Your theory that Amanda placed the lamp there and that it was "cleaned of prints" is total speculation. The lamp was probably used by an investigator as an ad-hoc torch in the early on in the investigation, or it could also have been used by Rudy himself in his sexual assault of Meredith.
You said "There was no forensic evidence that anyone other than the three accused were at the cottage and involved."
*Wrong! There was no forensic evidence of anyone other than Rudy at VDP7 during the murder.
Your interpretation of the blood trace allegedly attributed to Amanda is completely dramatized speculation, since Amanda wasn't bleeding anywhere else at VDP7. What DNA procedure can verify the timing of when a trace was deposited? In fact Stefanoni stated in court that she could not ascertain when the various traces were deposited in regard to DNA testing. " It cannot be dated as I have already said ..." page 176. Amanda said that her blood came from an infected ear-piercing, the prosecution could not prove otherwise. Amanda probably didn't even notice her alleged blood on the tap the day before since it was so miniscule. It doesn't stop you from dramatizing trivia when all else fails though does it?
The ISC stated in their final report that it would have been impossible for Amanda to have been directly involved in the murder due to the forensics. There was zero evidence from Amanda in the murder room itself, whereas Rudy Guede, the real killer, left a plethora. What does all that mean in light of that inarguable fact? 3 people could not have sexually assaulted, tortured, fought with and nearly decapitate Meredith in a bloody slashing murder and yet leave evidence of only 1 attacker. It is simply impossible. That room should have been crisscrossed with footprints and other evidence of multiple people, but it wasn't.
If you wish to argue that Amanda was present at the cottage when Rudy did the deed, OK, she can't prove she wasn't there (though there is no evidence she was) go ahead, we'll discuss it but only after you admit she could not have been directly involved in the murder itself.
Very well narrated. Just one omission…….a friend of Meredith remarked, after her murder, that I hope she didn’t suffer. Knox’s reply…..of course she suffered, she had her fucking throat slit. Either Knox is a rough hard woman without empathy or she’s has a very odd way of showing grief. It really depends on Guete to come out and tell the whole truth. Meredith’s family must have closure.
Exactly what Knox said regarding that depends on who was relating it. It varies slightly. When someone has their throat cut, of course they suffer. It's not a peaceful way to die...she suffocated on her own blood. Knox was expressing anger which is a normal, not 'odd' way of showing grief. It's one of the recognized steps of grief.
Guede will never tell the truth: that he alone killed Meredith. It's not to his advantage to do so. He will always play the victim of racism despite the evidence and his multiple lies.
@@mytrip6991 no one knew what had killed her at that time, which is the issue.
@@bigleady You just go off on a wing and a prayer don't you? Luca Altieri and Paolo Grande both knew the details of Meredith's death prior to everyone's arrival at the questura at around 3.00pm.
From Altieri's court testimony:
Altieri:
Yes, yes, yes, after a while, here, after a red cross vehicle had arrived, the scientific, the Carabinieri arrived, all of them, after a while one of the two doctors, I think, of this red cross vehicle, it was not an ambulance, he came out from the inspection, let's say, inside the house, addressing one of the Carabinieri who was out there he described a bit what had happened, saying ... referring both to the fact that her throat was cut and the fact that she had also fought, let's say, and so from there I learned this.
GM:
she learned it, do you know if the others knew it too? In particular...
Altieri:
Yes, there was Paola next to me who heard it.
From Paolo Grande's court testimony:
"No, I saw them for a minute as soon as we arrived that Marco and Filomena told him, a little in Italian a little in English, to say everything, to say everything they remembered to be calm, to tell what they remembered and enough. More than anything else in the car trip I remember that Raffaele asked Luca if she was dead, he said yes and how she was dead and Luca told him that it had been slaughtered because ... I don't know how Luca knew it, but I I knew it because when the ambulance arrived, a gentleman came in and when he came out he didn't talk to us, but I heard him, who said how she was killed."
Luca and Paolo gave Amanda and Raffaele a lift to the questura in their car. Luca related the details to K&S en-route to the questura. Raffaele asked Luca if Meredith had been killed with a knife, with Luca snapping back "no, with a loaf of bread", so it's clear that nerves were on edge. Amanda at the questura was no different. The real "issue" as you put it, is that you don't know these facts.
@@treaclebuns So given Paola and Luca are allegedly the six degrees of separation, I assume one of them referenced knowing and relaying the information?
Though I thought raf insisted it was an unnamed copper...
@@bigleady Six what?? Paolo was Luca's girlfriend! They arrived at VDP7 before Meredith was found. It was Luca who kicked in Meredith's door and saw into the room. He also saw postal cop Battistelli go into the room and look under the duvet, though Battistelli tried to deny it in court. If Battistelli DID see Meredith's body then he becomes another possible source of information of Meredith's wounds. Battistelli contacted the Questura for the cops to attend the crime scene. He may have relayed details of the wounds.
Since Luca and Paolo knew the details from the medical team, then they might not be the only ones that the medical team talked to, they certainly would have briefed the police who in turn might have told others. All that before an answer-hungry throng of people, including the press, even departed for the questura at 15.00pm. Amanda asked a detective at the questura how Meredith was killed. He drew his finger across his throat to indicate that her throat had been cut, so he obviously knew as well.
They departed to the questura 1.5 hrs at least after Meredith was found. To suggest that no one other than Amanda knew the details of Meredith's wounds is idiotic.
She belongs in jail. What a travesty of Justice. She lied to the police and when you watch her talk about it she smiles and laughs. No tears for her dead friend.
I like the way you tell the story, you definitely should continue to report these stories. Good job…
Thank you, Heather!
This narrator has a good speaking voice.
That’s so kind of you to say! Thank you for watching, friend!
I was not there when this happened, obviously. I have no inside knowledge of what happened. We really don't know, none of us, what happened in its entirety, and it's not up to me to judge. Amanda Knox may well be completely innocent of what happened. But I just think some of her behaviour was bizarre. Maybe she and her boyfriend really were just comforting each other when they kissed, but I thought the way they kissed was creepy. That's not evidence that they had anything to do with murder. But it's just a bit suspicious under the circumstances. The circumstances were that a friend of hers, a roommate, had just been found murdered. Most people under those circumstances wouldn't have been thinking about sex. But the way Amanda and her boyfriend were kissing showed, I think, that they were not thinking about how sad and terrible it was that her friend had been murdered, but about how they were going to go home and have sex when the cops let them. I may be wrong about this, since I wasn't there. The thing is, Amanda was a roommate of the murdered girl, and she should have been more careful about the impression she was giving. She should have been more respectful. Maybe she was naive, but how grown up do you have to be? I've been trying to think how I would feel if a neighbour of mine were murdered, and how I would act, and I certainly wouldn't be getting all kissy-faced with anyone. It's creepy. Bleah.
Just? For all you know, Amanda and her BF had been standing outside for quite some time while the police were investigating the scene when they kissed. After the brief kiss, you can see they both have disturbed looks on their faces.
Good lord, I'm going to assume you have never seen the full video. Amanda and Raffaele are standing outside in the cold for a long time. It's clear both are distraught and saddened by what has happened. At one point Raffaele gave Amanda a brief, consoling kiss, after which they both immediately went back to looking very distraught. That you think this kiss was anything other than a brief, consoling kiss tells me you didn't see the full video, and maybe you didn't even see the "highlight" video and are parroting others.
There's some truth to what you say, but all the real evidence pointed to one person, and it wasn't Knox or her boyfriend. Convicting someone based on perceived character flaws may be satisfying to those with tunnel vision, but that's no way to conduct an investigation. You're suppose to follow the facts where the lead you, not try to make the facts fit your theories, prejudices, or pre-conceived notions. The prosecutor in this case had some bizarre beliefs that resulted in two innocent people being wrongfully convicted.
I'm confused covid wasn't around then til years later so why would they test her for that
So if this was the case and the guyvthat was there and saw killer snd he hurt his hands surly they would see marks on thatvpersons hands if plouce did there jobs properly
Amanda and Raffaelle are innocent. Guede and police and some part of the justice system along with media are the guilty ones
A combination of misogyny, abuse of power and international politics.
I personally think this case was influenced by the Madeline McCann's case.
Another British citizen victim of a crime abroad very closed in time. Perugia had very similar characteristics to Praia da Lux including police. The British press had been very critical of the Portuguese handling of the case and they have been ridiculed internationally by exposing flaws and bad procedure. By the time Meredith was murdered, the narrative on Madeline's case had changed. It was believed to be staged and the parents guilty. Guiliano mignini ( also under abuse of power investigation like Gonzalo Amaral at the time they both took the cases) enters Via de la Pergola and immediately his wannabe Sherlock Holmes brain tells him it was staged too. Coincidence? 😂
No you need years of experience to be in a situation like this where your fight and flight is in play. Karate will take years upon years to be able to be able to defend yourself. Train grabbling, it’s your best bet for fast close quarters defense in a shorter time
Regarding the orange belt, it doesn't matter what belt you have, you cannot ever use it on anyone, my mates, on her 4th dan and broke someone's nose in self-defense she could got her belt taken off her had it got taken further.
That's not true. If you feel your life is in danger, then you have every right to use martial arts to defend yourself.
Wow this comment is weird
There were 40 stab wounds some minor - but there were 40 wounds so the comment that said there was only ten wounds on Meredith Kircher is wrong.
Peace out 🕊️
You're wrong, too. Read Dr Lalli's and Dr. Cingolani's autopsy reports. There were 12 cuts: : 1 fatal cut to throat, 1 serious but non-fatal cut to face, six minor cuts/nicks to face, 4 very minor cuts on hands that were likely defensive wounds.
And it's "KErcher", not "KIrcher".
Still think she did it.
That's why it's all the more important that there are videos like this one. Almost nobody who really knows all the information in detail still believes in Amanda's guilt.
Please trust the people who have put years of their time into diligently examining the evidence.
This case should teach us that gut feelings can lead to terrible fallacies.
Amanda seems suspicious because of her manner, also because we have a wrong idea of "adequate behavior" in extreme situations. People don't mourn at the push of a button, Hollywood-style. They get into shock or into a survival mode that can even appear euphoric due to the release of adrenaline. What was helpful in the face of a mammoth seems strange to us today. That's why we need to train our instincts not to judge like Neanderthals.
Hey, don't feel bad... there's still people who think the moon landings were staged and that 9/11 was an inside job, so it could be worse.
It’s still the early 2000s
Some people never got past the 'evidence' from 2009.
I believe Amanda and Rafael are 100% innocent. Yes....Meredith was the true victim and her death is truly a tragedy, but what Amanda and Rafael had to endure was horrific.
1000% guilty
@@idea1469based on what? No motive and no evidence.
Money stolen, drugs, jealousy, evidence in many areas of the house. If not involved, complicit; yet most likely involved. So many changes in story. Fake burglary
What would 90% innocent even mean?
May she was only 10% involved 😂
SINCE WHEN WAS HER HOME IN LONDON ????????????????????????????
Meredith’s was. 😊
This is one of the most balanced and accurate videos I've seen on the case. Having studied the court records for years, she presents the facts and not the myths. lies, and misinformation so many others (like Robert Glass) do.
Where is her family
Remember for Knox this is like Groundhog Day, she has had a dozen years to perfect how to get suckers on the hook. But! (1) Knox never a well-funded and supervised exchange student despite claims; (2) Knox shacking up with her drug dealer, and causing his arrest; (3) Sollecito & Knox incessantly fighting from time of arrest & he blaming her 100%; (4) the 2007-08 pro-bail hearing failures, (5) the huge body of evidence at trial that took 8 months to collect, the strongest presented in closed court; (6) the TWO prosecutor's major success of a unanimous verdict; (7) the obviously despondent defense’s failures, such as Rudy as Lone Wolf; (8) the interrogation hoax and 34 other hoaxes, see TJMK; (9) the bending and then annulling of the Hellman appeal court; (10) Knox being found guilty of criminal defamation by all courts; (11) even a bent Supreme Court chamber confirming strong proof of Knox at the murder scene, and (12) Knox not ever being exonerated or ever suing for wrongful imprisonment.
Another smouldering pile of petty, dramatized factoids that have little or no basis in fact. This tripe from your blog is just as bad:
"It is clearly likely to be huge, and could ripple on for years. Knox & Sollecito, their parents, their lawyers, their PR, and others in Italy could find themselves caught up in the net.
Maybe even more in the US: Preston, Ciolino, Moore, Fischer, Heavey, Burleigh, Hampikian, and a dozen others might find diffamazione targets on their backs."
That's the product of a troubled mind. Just remember that Mignini might find himself a "diffamazione target" if he was stupid enough to implicate K&S in the murder in his book. Same goes for your favourite murderer Rudy.
You still haven't come up with any physical evidence putting Amanda in that murder room, only Rudy Guede left evidence in that murder room. Every bit of so called "evidence" you bring up is rendered invalid in light of that fact. So until you find some evidence proving she was in there, the only thing we can be sure of is that Rudy Guede acted alone. Why are you protecting and excusing that evil POS?
More lies.
(1) Knox never a well-funded and supervised exchange student despite claims;
Knox had over $4,000 in her bank account at the time of the murder...money she had earned herself. All her credits were transferrable to her Uni in Washington. Source: Bank account records.
2) Knox shacking up with her drug dealer, and causing his arrest;
Raffaele was not a drug dealer and never sold any drugs. His and Amanda's hair tests taken on Nov. 6 were negative for narcotics. Source: court record of order for drug test and no presentation in court by prosecution for positive narcotics test.
(3) Sollecito & Knox incessantly fighting from time of arrest & he blaming her 100%;
No such fighting took place and he has said multiple times that she was with him all evening and night. He has visited her in Seattle and they met up in Italy last June and spent time together.
(4) the 2007-08 pro-bail hearing failures
Suspected murderers are seldom granted bail, moron.
(5) the huge body of evidence at trial that took 8 months to collect, the strongest presented in closed court
An investigation and collection of evidence that was eviscerated by the Marasca-Bruno SC:
"An objectively wavering process, whose oscillations, however, are also the result
of clamorous failures, or investigative “amnesia” and of culpable omissions of
investigative activity. "
The forensic police glaringly broke dozens of protocols including wearing dirty gloves to collect evidence, not changing shoe coverings between rooms, and not collecting vital pieces of evidence in Kercher's room for FORTY-SIX DAYS AFTER THE MURDER while not securing the room. The actual collection of samples in the bathroom also broke protocols.
(6) the TWO prosecutor's major success of a unanimous verdict;
The TWO defense major successes of acquittals, including by the SC.
(7) the obviously despondent defense’s failures, such as Rudy as Lone Wolf;
LOL. A 'judicial truth' decided BEFORE Knox and Sollecito were cleared of the murder and BEFORE the appeal trial eviscerated the prosecution's case regarding the bra hook and knife.
(8) the interrogation hoax and 34 other hoaxes, see TJMK;
"hoax"? You sound just like Trump and his 'hoax" claims. See TJMK? Are you kidding? I prefer the court records, not your website of lies.
(9) the bending and then annulling of the Hellman appeal court;
LOL! You and others over on your sick website just love to claim that every judge, expert, and witness who doesn't support your guilt beliefs is "bent" or "corrupt". But the police and convicting judges etc are all honest and trustworthy. Really? I wonder how Monica Napoleoni and Lorena Zugarini are enjoying their prison sentences.
(10) Knox being found guilty of criminal defamation by all courts;
And the ECHR finding her rights were violated on 3 accounts leading to the defamation conviction being 'unfair'. Italy has already paid her $21,000 in compensation for that and still has to file an action plan with the ECHR on how they're going to 'rectify' the situation.
(11) even a bent Supreme Court chamber confirming strong proof of Knox at the murder scene, and
Nope. They could not contradict the "judicial fact" that Knox was at the cottage based solely on her coerced statement during the interrogation. When her calunnia verdict was confirmed, that became a 'judicial fact' they could not contradict.
(12) Knox not ever being exonerated or ever suing for wrongful imprisonment.
Exoneration must be based on absolute proof they could not have committed the crime. Most acquittals are not based on that but on BARD, which is the CPP article they were acquitted under.
You are pathetic liar.
Caution! This account repeatedly misrepresents the facts.
@@christiangwenner6384 Hey mafia tool. Name ONE fact misrepresented above.
Amanda Knox where are her parents and family
Her parents were involved at the time. Especially her dad
Its soo clear it wasn't Amanda or her boyfriend. It was soo important to convict them. The evidence points to Guede whatever his name is 😢.
I have never heard this story told this way. thank you
why is anyone believing Rudy ?
oh my goodness I feel bad that I ever thought she was guilty
You shouldn't feel bad about it. First, the media, for the first two years, were very anti-Amanda and they published a lot of hateful, false claims. We learn just have false all of this was later, after the evidence from their trial is made public, but before that.. I couldn't fault anyone for believing what they were reading and thinking she was involved.
It doesn’t add up. There’s a lot of fuzzy evidence in this case.
Like what?
I believe Amanda knows more than she is telling. Raphaeli--I think he is a victim
It's got to have been somone close to her that new she was trained in fighting somone should taken the poo in loo to see who it belonged to if they can do that
@victorwhite7822 Meredith was NOT trained in fighting. She took a couple of beginner karate classes, none of which would have made any difference. The feces in the toilet was tested and it belonged to Guede (it was actually the toilet paper where they got the DNA... feces doesn't contain DNA).
Lol! Sorry - it's not a funny story, but the way Brooke says I-talian is so charming. (At first I thought she was kidding.😉)
the case looks as noone knows who is murderer
The killer, Rudy Guede, is an Ivorian immigrant who had been raised in Italy since he was 6 years old. He served 13 of his 16 year sentence for sexual assault and murder before being released from prison in Nov. 2021.
@@mytrip6991 or the killer or the scapegoat?
@@liointhesun Considering that his DNA was found in Kercher's vagina, in her blood on her purse (from which her wallet and cell phones were stolen), on the jacket she was wearing when she arrived home, his fingerprints were found in her blood under her hips, and his bloody shoeprints were around and under her body, that his story story about meeting and dancing with her on Halloween when he says she invited him over was disproved by her friends,the friend he said he visited that night says it never happened, and that he had a history of burglary...well...if you need to think he was a 'scapegoat'...I don't think there's anything that would change your mind.
@@mytrip6991 yes, if she's inocent she sleeps well. ...
13:36 LOL!!!!
How can I join to give money donations to help with your great investigations ?
Well, she's from Seattle, so go figure....lolzz
Go figure what exactly?
@@mytrip6991Hey Professor, If you're going to Lie, then do a Good Job of it at least.
@@bill2066 Starting off with an ad hominem to a valid question isn't a great start. Following it up with a silly retort isn't a good ending, either. Why not just answer the question?
Wow. You must be A Seattle Intellectual. @@mytrip6991
@@bill2066 And you're a troll. Buh-bye.
This case has been one of the confusing cases I've known. I've watched true crime stories for years. I've thought of the dead girl's family. It's like the dead girl has been forgotten. Knox and the boyfriend should've been more discreet during investigation. Behavior was odd but it doesn't tell anyone that they're guilty. For everyone that puts down the United States should remember that when you travel to another country, they most likely don't have a Constitution like we do. Here, once you're acquitted they can't take you back to court.
Most of the world follows different codes of justice than the United States and United Kingdom. In most places you're considered guilty until you can prove you're innocent. Very few countries presume the innocence of the accused. This is something Americans should especially consider before ever traveling abroad.
@@williamanthony9090 I'm not an expert in Napoleonic law, but I don't think it's quite right to say you are guilty until proven innocent. I think it is more like you are obligated to give an answer, they don't have a "5th Amendment," but I'm pretty sure the accuser also has a burden.
Covid 19 did not exist back then… 🤷♀️
13:15 lol
My two bits -- best presentation of the story I've heard. I take away from it is that only Rudy's DNA is in the room where it all happened. The couple being inappropriate, maybe they were on something. I'm glad they got on with their lives.
the part where she confesses and she puts the blame on her boss Patric not believable , ( not at all ) and I don’t agree with you, first you mention that everyone was shocked when they find out about Meredith except her she wasn’t shock even she was kissing her boyfriend while the body wasn’t removed yet from the house ,there was no real physical torture !! what kind of pressure she was under? to lose reality and to start imagine things never happened , I shouting on her or someone slap her head ? I don’t believe that she’s an easy person , her personality , she can handle this kind of pressure and even she can distract the investigators, I don’t see anything wrong about the way was being used while investigating, she was under investigation and suspect of crime shouting that’s the minimum to happen in any police investigation ….
First of all, she never 'confessed' to having anything to do with the murder. She only put herself in the kitchen...which she retracted within hours.
What makes you think Knox wasn't shocked? That ridiculous tabloid nonsense about her "canoodling" Sollecito? Take a good look at her face and tell me she wasn't in shock. Or do you think blank, vacant staring is a sign of being having just "canoodled" (amorous kissing) her boyfriend?
Neither I nor Knox ever said she was "physically tortured". She said she was cuffed on the back of the head. That is physical abuse and illegal.
"What kind of pressure was she under"? Are you kidding me? Being yelled at, told she was a liar, that she had taken Lumumba to the house, threatened with prison if she didn't confess isn't "pressure"?
" I don’t believe that she’s an easy person , her personality , she can handle this kind of pressure and even she can distract the investigators, "
What an incredibly stupid statement. What you believe about how strong she was in totally irrelevant because you don't know her. You also don't know the first things about police interrogations and the tactics police used to get a confession.
"I don’t see anything wrong about the way was being used while investigating, she was under investigation and suspect of crime shouting that’s the minimum to happen in any police investigation …."
LOL! The police broke the damn law! They denied both AK and RS a lawyer as confirmed by both the Giordano SC in 2008 and the ECHR in 2019. Mignini was censored for doing so.
Why didn't they videotape or audiotape the interrogations? Interrogation rooms are set up to record for a reason. Mignini said they didn't have the money, but the pair had been secretly recorded in the waiting room previously. And there was enough money to tap and record both their phones and several others for the previous three days. Ask yourself WHY would the police deliberately not record their interrogations?
@@mytrip6991 you Right Knox absolutely suffered under interrogation pressure, they yelled at her , they called her a liar and the most horrible thing they told her that if she lie your nose will grow tall and that’s illegal, come on ! You believe that she suffered from yelling during crime interrogation ?? Are we living in Barney the Dinosaur world, she was suspected in horror crime , what she was expecting a two Thai ladies to do her nails and massage her during the interrogation , Italian police was so polite to her. And yes I still believe that Knox or someone else cleaned the crime scene, one bloody footprint print was found on the bathmat!! Where’s the other footprint?? Unless someone could fly around the rooms Rudy was wearing shoes , now you will tell me that he was enjoying leaving prints with shoes and bare foot , why she took the mop to Raffael house , I believe so many things was cleaned from the crime scene not just the bloody footprint… Rudy poop in the bathroom Right ? They approved his DNA, think about it logically , any thief or someone has robbery history, and experience will not do that after they killed someone , so definitely before the crime he went to the toilet, cause it’s look like from his shoes print that he run away after the crime , mean his story that he was in the toilet when he started to hear screaming possibly believable , who will think if to steal or to kill and rape to use the bathroom? I don’t mean he’s innocent but he didn’t act alone …. And yes he didn’t get charged with a crime , they charged him with rape and broke in only , the murder weapon was never found, if you don’t believe me and don’t believe the the police case Knox mentioned that in her interviews, don’t convince me that she was shocked, first her friends and roommate said that and jumped on her boyfriend lap and doing yoga in the police station logically she wasn’t shocked at all, you are right I don’t know her, what about you? Do you know her???
@@vitoo2000karaki Your knowledge of the facts of this crime, of how interrogations work, how DNA works, etc. is severely limited...as are your logic and critical thinking skills..
Resorting to such stupid statements as "two Thai ladies...massages" just reveals that even more.
How was the crime scene cleaned? Did Knox, Sollecito, or someone else come in and clean up only the pair's INVISIBLE DNA and INVISIBLE fingerprints while being able to detect which DNA and fingerprints were Guede's? Where are their bloody foot/shoeprints in the bedroom? As you say "could they fly around the room"?
I never said Guede left any footprints, only shoeprints that matched the size and type of shoes of an empty box in his closet. He never denied they were his shoes and he said he threw them away in Germany.
Guede was in the bathroom when Kercher came home and surprised him. He didn't flush it because he didn't want to alert her to his presence. After killing her, he left ASAP leaving his feces and all the other evidence of his presence. He cleaned nothing.
How ignorant of this case can you be not to understand that he was convicted of sexual assault as well as murder and he was NOT convicted of burglary? Holy crap! That is so basic.
If you don't want to continue making yourself look like an ignorant fool, I suggest you stop posting and read the court records.
@@mytrip6991 the subject is about Knox , I don’t understand why you felt so offended , you taking it so personal like Knox she’s your cousin , I didn’t say anything to offend you but you did call me a fool ! that’s ok. continue explaining to a fool person , how yelling or slapping on the head leads to Hallucinations ? To put her blame on her boss and her boyfriend say that she asked him to lie and she left the house in that night? i already mentioned that Rudy shoe print was found on the crime scene , what I’m wondering is, to get only one bloody barefoot print on the bathmat , mean that there’s someone was walking with bloody barefoot, and it should be more prints isn’t, and wasn’t being found, where’s the mop ? I’m a fool person but I don’t understand , how someone have robbery experience and was going for robbing a house and think to poop in toilet !!! there’s so many question mark on this crime, I’m not a detective but I watch the tv documentary about this crime and some interviews and I ask this questions , and feel deeply sad and sorry for Meredith and her family .. I do apologise if my intelligence are poor, no one is perfect…
@@vitoo2000karaki
I apologize for my rudeness; you're right.
1)"how yelling or slapping on the head leads to Hallucinations ?"
Knox didn't hallucinate. That's when you see things that aren't there. What she experienced was false memory caused by mental confusion. This is called "internalized coerced confession" and it is not rare as you said. Studies show that people can easily be convinced they remember things that never happened, especially when told by other that they did.
"Coerced-internalized false confessions' are those in which an innocent person-anxious, sleep-deprived, confused, and subjected to a highly suggestive interrogation that often includes the presentation of false evidence-actually comes to believe that he or she committed the crime."
This fit the conditions of her interrogation that Knox described: she was exhausted (as two people who saw her testified), alone in a foreign country, scared, and confused because the police and interpreter were all telling her that she had amnesia and just couldn't remember taking Lumumba to the cottage. They told her they had proof she had been there and Raffaele was saying she'd gone out. When she denied it, they called her a liar, yelled at her, and smacked her on the head at least twice. She began to believe she really did have amnesia and she was really there because why would Raffaele, the police and the interpreter lie to her about that?
Remember that, the same day of her interrogation, she told the police in writing that they could not rely on what she had said because her memory of being there seemed 'more like a dream' and being at her boyfriend's apartment was more real. Have you read her two "memoriales"? At that point the police should have realized her statements weren't reliable but they didn't care: they had what they wanted. They even admitted they felt pressured to solve the case as fast as possible. The acquitting Supreme Court even recognized that.
2) "to get only one bloody barefoot print on the bathmat , mean that there’s someone was walking with bloody barefoot, and it should be more prints isn’t,"
The bottom of his shoes weren't bloody yet so left no prints when he went into the bathroom. His right foot wasn't bloody until he removed his shoe, rinsed off his bloody trouser leg in the bidet and then stepped onto the mat. Then he put his shoe back on. That's why he wrote in his diary, "I had wet trousers and tried to cover it with a sweatshirt."
Why would anyone clean up ONLY those alleged bloody foot- or shoeprints and leave the bloody rug footprint and other blood in the bathroom and bloody shoeprints in the corridor? It doesn't make sense.
ALL his shoeprints were of the left shoe only so this proves that his right shoe never stepped in blood. I think he stepped in blood with his left shoe after he had gone into the bathroom and rinsed his trouser leg and foot in the bidet. That's why there are no shoe or footprints going into the bathroom or out.
3)"where’s the mop ?"
The police video shows Stefanoni take if from the corridor closet and wrap it in gift paper (a breach of protocol). It tested negative for blood with TMB so it was not used to clean up any blood.
4) "how someone have robbery experience and was going for robbing a house and think to poop in toilet !!!"
Because even burglars poop when they have to go. The fact he didn't flush it indicates that's where he was when Meredith came home; he didn't want her to hear the toilet flush and give away his presence.
Unfortunately as is frequently true, Amanda (and others) learned the hard way, when you leave the U.S. you're "not in Kansas anymore".
The more I learn of Italy the more I understand my great-grandparents decision to leave wealthy family life behind and come to America. Money is nothing without fair policies.
Oh yeh. USA is really a safe place to live 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
In Italy you can't enter a shop and buy a gun....make your own conclusions...
I don't believe any of them. I think they all played a roll in merideths death.
Then please explain why the only forensic evidence of anyone in Kercher's room belongs to Rudy Guede.
What was the motive? The prosecution presented several only to have each one shot down by witnesses.
If want to believe in false memories, one has to ask what special powers the Italian cops have to achieve the feat twice in two hours. Raf also invented a new story
I suggest you read up on "internalized false confessions". You might learn something.
@@mytrip6991 Two massively rare events happening back to back within an hour. What are the odds!
First of all Amanda's interpreter Anna Donnino abandoned her role and decided to act as a "mediator" as she said she did habitually in her testimony. She related a personal story of a leg break that allegedly caused amnesia. She coached Amanda into thinking the same thing had happened to her during the murder. Until then Amanda had stuck to her story that she was at Raffaele's flat during the murder.
Raffaele had difficulty remember the exact sequence of events and tried to access the calendar on the wall to help him. He was subsequently bawled out by the cops interrogating him to leave it. He then related events that had more to do with Halloween rather than the night of the murder.
They changed their story since that's what the cops intended they should do. As soon as the cops were out of the equation they reverted back to their original stories that they were both together at Raffaele's flat during the murder. So no "special powers" as you put it, just cop malpractice. "massively rare events"!? Do some research, there's a lot if it around.
@@treaclebuns Educating themselves on how police get people to confess to things they never did or even how mixed DNA works would challenge their beliefs. Can't have that. People would rather be wrong than admit they are wrong.
@@treaclebuns So to summarize, the italian cops in two hours made two people come up with completely false narratives. One so well that they repeated the claims with a bit of dreamy clouding themselves the next day in writing. What are the chances eh?
On a personal note, I love the calendar story, its so stupid I refuse to believe anyone could believe it. "I was confused about the date that the cops were questioning me about, was it the immaterial day, or the night of the murder.... its so confusing.!
Of course they're not not guilty. This was nothing but a circus. I do feel bad for the victim in the family though. But Amanda and Raphael were victims too.
Yeah, I'm just all broken up over Amanda Knox poor little rich girl. No doubt that she was involved and got away with it because her parents were able to pay off the courts.
LOL. Thank you for revealing you have no idea about this case.
Knox wasn"t wealthy, and her family went bankrupt standing up for her throughout the entire ordeal. Anyone can write anything on social media sites. Why not? There's no real consequences. Nobody is likely to sue them, or step forward to punch them in their faces, no matter how much they might deserve it! Still, it's a problem that will eventually need to be solved.
You blame the DNA mixup when it comes to Amanda but you don't talk about it when it comes to the voiceless Ruddy Gooday. The fact that he didn't flush the toilet backs up that the murder took place while he was in the toilet. The fact that there was a large rock on top of the shattered glasses also show that those who had access to the room after Ruddy left were trying to stage a break in. If he was really the killer, nobody would need to stage a breakin and Amanda wouldn't need to pin it on Patrik. Amanda's and Rafael's kissing each other in public in the aftermath of of Meredith's murder, was a desperate attempt to show the world that they are not worried because they were not involved in the murder. But a normal innocent person if not worried would be grieving over the murder of one's room mate. I believe Amanda and Rafael are not innocent.
"Voiceless" Rudy Guede? He CHOSE to take a fast track trial instead of a full trial where evidence against him could be crossed examined. He had a chance to speak at the Knox/Sollecito trials and did not do so.
"The fact that he didn't flush the toilet backs up that the murder took place while he was in the toilet."
How? He could have not flushed the toilet when he heard Kercher enter the cottage in order not to alert her of his presence."
"The fact that there was a large rock on top of the shattered glasses also show that those who had access to the room after Ruddy left were trying to stage a break in. "
So you're saying the glass was broken BEFORE the rock was thrown? That's illogical. Why place a rock on top of broken glass? Besides, Filomena Romanelli testified she saw glass ABOVE AND BELOW items on the floor.
" If he was really the killer, nobody would need to stage a breakin"
Exactly...which is why the break-in was not staged.
"and Amanda wouldn't need to pin it on Patrik"
Why would Amanda need to stage a break-in to pin it on Patrick? Was Patrick known as a burglar or athletic? No.
"Amanda's and Rafael's kissing each other in public in the aftermath of of Meredith's murder, was a desperate attempt to show the world that they are not worried because they were not involved in the murder. But a normal innocent person if not worried would be grieving over the murder of one's room mate. ""
LOL! They weren't "kissing each other"'; Raffaele gave Knox 3 quick pecks as comfort. Stop believing tabloid nonsense of "canoodling". Take a look at both of their somber, blank faces in the rest of the video that wasn't shown on the media and tell me there was anything but comforting by Raffaele. Knox was crying on the way to the police station when informed of how Kercher had died as testified to in court by Luca Altieri.
"I believe Amanda and Rafael are not innocent."
So explain to me how 2 out of 3 people left NO evidence of themselves in the tiny room where Kercher was violently attack and murdered yet only ONE, Rudy Guede, left his DNA in multiple places, his fingerprints and shoeprints in Kercher's blood. You can't.
Good points. The investigators were certainly incompetent and negligent in their work. They didn't dig deep enough. Here is a possible scenario. Amanda knew Ruddy would be at the house that evening spending time with Meredith. She and/or Raffaele waited until Ruddy went to the bathroom, then commited the murder, knowing Ruddy would be blamed for it, and thinking they could leave before he comes out. Ruddy comes out and runs into Amanda/Raffaele, who shout "black man guilty". They wait outside for Ruddy to leave. Ruddy leaves immediately in panic. Then Amanda/Raffaele return, wash Meredith's clothes (presumably to remove their DNA) and take her phones (presumably they contain incriminating messages). OTOH, Ruddy may have taken the phones because his messages were on them. Amanda accuses Patrik, saying he had a crush on Meredith. If she had named Ruddy, who probably was the person who actually had a crush on Meredith, that would be an admission she was at the crime scene herself and/or that she knew Ruddy would be there that night.
A roommate that she only knew for 3weeks. She’s socked and the new Boyfriend was comforting her. When you fist start dating it’s all you do, kiss and hug. I would be socked but I wouldn’t be crying over someone I’ve only known for 3weeks, I would feel sad, shacked and relieved that I wasn’t there and that I’m safe
@@istudios225 This is absolutely illogical nonsense. NOBODY could undress a dead person covered in blood without leaving a single footprint.
This theory is incredibly simple. Above all, indescribably disrespectful towards the victims.
What if Meredith walked into the apartment while Rudy was in the bathroom and surprised him. Isn't that the most logical explanation? Throwing a stone through the window, on the other hand, was Rudy's way of checking that nobody was in the house before he broke in. There was no fake burglary, just an actual one.
That shallow people don't realize that two people are kissing there to comfort each other is exactly why this whole hunt started in the first place. Fifteen years later. And people still enjoy swinging the pitchfork.
Classic case by the media
what a so beautiful face !.....
Look into the case of the ROUSE'S, of libertyville, Illinois. Early 80's. Both parents murdered in their bed. Like a bad movie. M. Illinois. ☕️
It's funny hoe the English stdent that was there a wile never was stabbed of hurt ehen Amanda knocks turned up funny hoe she was stabbed to death bit of a coinserdance
Dude, use your spell check. That's what it's there for. As for coincidence... Like any other unfortunate event, murder happens when it happens.
I believe Amanda was singled out cause she was a non Italian
Oh yeh and blame the black guy
She was targeted because she was convenient. She lived there. She found the cottage had been broken into. And most importantly, the police jumped to a conclusion that the break-in was staged and believed it had to be someone who lived in the cottage. Raffaele also got caught up and he IS Italian.
@@lorrainemerry8661 Tell that to the cops, as it was them who concluded Lumumba was involved and then coerced Amanda into implicating him. But hey, I get it... nowadays it's the thing to do to claim something is racially motivated.
I'm Italian and I remember very well this murder. Amanda avoided jail just because she is American. She deserved to be locked up.. but this life is not fair!
Amanda is proven to be innocent. Please, don't replicate ignorance and hatred.
@@christiangwenner6384 It's amazing how many times I read claims that there were no anti-American feelings in Italy affecting this case and then read posts like joyrode6302's and lokiloki4057's above.
I'm also Italian and I know Amanda AND Raffaele (you remember him, right... he ISN'T American) were acquitted because there was no evidence of their involvement, no motive, and an impossible timeline. Perhaps you made the mistake of believing the Italian media, which was a solid 100% anti-Amanda.
She was in jail
So her boyfriend got off for just sleeping with an American? Or was that because of his secret mafia uncle? When a prosecutor can make up lurid tales of Satanism, when police can claim with straight faces that Knox washed away all her own DNA while leaving behind only that of the actual killer's, and when two people can then spend four years of their lives in prison as a result---Yes, I'd agree, life is unfair! Someone deserved to be locked up all right, the prosecutor for sure. But... Blame it all on the Americans, for starters, why not? Never let facts get in the way of what you remember so well...
Amanda and her husband must be so proud of their new baby.
Amanda was so jealous of Meredith.
You are disrespectful to both of them. Shame on you!
There was ZERO court testimony by anyone that Knox was jealous of Kercher. All descriptions of their relationship, including that of Patrick Lumumba, said they were friends. Stop believing tabloid nonsense.
There was NO evidence of Amanda being jealous of Meredith, nor is there any reason for her to feel that way. Aside from the fact that they were friends who did things together (choc festival, concert, etc.) Amanda was living her dream, going to school in Italy, living with her new Italian boyfriend. You're listening to pro-guilt nonsense.