Rappers React To Dream Theater "The Dance Of Eternity"!!!
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- Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2023
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so this song has 128 time signature changes, which is absolutely ridiculous! Also, the conductor was a kid who at the age of 22 started uploading his arrangements of Dream Theater on RUclips, the band got wind of it and convinced Berkeley University to provide him a full scholarship. he then went to perform this concert with his idols. a dream come true.
A conductor is VERY important for an orchestra that has 20-30+ people. Your sheet music has the tempo marked, yes, but everyone will have a different perception as to what Andante or Legato or Allegro is. Even the specifics like 140 BPM aren't easily determined on the spot without a metronome. That's why the conductor is there. He/she interprets the tempo and pauses so the entire orchestra doesn't have to. You'd have to be very lucky to find 40 people with such perfect interpretation of BPM to even come close to a tight performance without a conductor. Plus there's also elements of music that require the eyes to be on the conductor, such as a a Fermata which pretty much means "Stop for a while and continue when instructed". You'll hear it in dramatic moments where the music appears to stop out of time before continuing again. Sheet music works well for a single person or a group of 5-7 or so, but as soon as you start getting to around 10, you start to lose the tightness because everyone's weakest links will become amplified with there's so much inconsistent playing happening at once. It is VERY noticeable when you don't have a conductor. Plus, this orchestra likely didn't know the song a week before performing it. They are all great hired gun musicians but even they still are trained to follow the conductor because he sets the tempo.
also, another thing for having a conducter is the actual speed of sound (I'm not kidding) - when you get 30+ people together you need to be spread a bit cause, yknow, instruments need a bit of space to be played. And being in sync actually requires you to listen to what everybody else is doing, but since sounds travels a lot slower than light, it's gonna be slightly out of sync, especially if you have GIANT romantic style orchestras that are 80+ people, so the conducter is there so that everybody is in time, even tho it might not sound like it to the person who's playing. Of course, not the main reason but a fun side tangent I always liked.
@@windack768 THIS RIGHT HERE!!!!
Another massive point that my band director constantly reminded us because, especially with Marching Band, the sound from the front left of the field will take longer to get to the person at the back right of the field, so the Conductor (or the Drum Major in this case) is there to minimise that difference. You're SUPPOSED to look at the conductor, not listen to the rest of the band.
Well it's also about phrasing and dynamics. Great little ensembles can conduct themselves tho. Anyway U can't hear the orchestra here lol
@@Alix777. Maybe you can't hear. lol
A time signature roller coaster. DT is my favorite band. All masters at their craft. Hope to see more DT in the future especially that Mike Portnoy is back in the band.
There is a video here on RUclips (titled "Counting Dance of Eternity" of Mike Portnoy, in studio, going over the time signature changes in the song. It's not the whole song just, just the craziest part of the song. It's audio stems of just the guitar, bass and metronome with Portnoy pointing to a paper with all the time signatures per bar, counting out loud while losing his breath and struggling to keep up. You could even say that those are the actual lyrics to the song itself. *joke*
You guys NEED some more Dream Theater on this channel!!! Check out Panic Attack next!
Yes. Please!!! In my top 3 DT songs!
First DT song I ever heard!! 🤘🏻
Home is a phenomenal song as well 🤘🏼🏴
@user-li2sg2sy5q I'm good living in America but thanks for the suggestion!
You guys mean CONDUCTOR, not composer, hehe. The conductor helps keep everyone on tempo, something essential when the song goes through 108 time signature changes and you have so many musicians in on the gig!! BTW, the keyboard player, Jordan Rudess, uses sheet music throughout all their shows. He feels more comfortable with the sheet music in front of him, even though he's got most DT songs ingrained in his muscle memory - has to do with his classical training.
I think y’all mean the conductor. The best argument I’ve ever seen regarding the need for a conductor is, “we as humans are horrible at operating together as a group.” Not everybody has a metronomic sense of timing, even trained musicians. Similarly, it’s why click tracks exist. Dave Grohl had to use a click track on the Nirvana song Lithium because he kept speeding up when they were recording it… ‘not by a little bit, but by a lot’ according to the producer. Dave is known for having pretty accurate timing… but sometimes it happens that a musician needs a little help to stay on track. The conductor can also point out when a section is playing too loudly or softly.
I think that drum set goes on for eternity lol. It looks endless!
Octavarium is a must.
Please, please, please do that song. It's a long ass one, I know, but it will drop you.
If you're a fan of time signature changes, this is the song for you. Over 100, I've seen anywhere from 108 to 115 mentioned.
Pretty much every single bar of this song is on a different measure 😂
By the way the conductor is essential. These people practice these songs. You don't need the sheet music. The conductor let's you know when to come in, when to slowly build or be dramatic when you drop that note. How gently, how heavy. They are much more than time keepers
i love myung
You should listen to as I am the drummer is crazy
Always makes me smile when I see first timers watch this band
Dream Theater was the first concert I took my stepdaughter to in San Francisco at the Masonic. She still wears the shirt I bought for her at the show. (2019)
Smokie is right as usual lol. Conductor is needed for timing if no drummer. Everybody’s timing may be different even reading sheet music.
You finally reacted to Magicians. 😂❤ They are unbelievable!!!
Aside from keeping the tempo in the orchestra keep in mind that not all of the instruments play 100% of the time and have rests between certain parts so they watch the composer to be sure they're coming back in at the correct time. The composer also controls who is louder or softer at various times. The composer does much more than just wave his hands. Watch a philharmonic orchestra live performance. Maybe the Boston Symphony or one of those live and you'll see that the conductor keeps the music on the rails so everyone's in sync, the loudness is correct and exact stops and starts of various instruments. It's not like a 4 piece band that has practiced together over and over until they get in sync and create their own songs. It was fun watching you two react by the way. You should also react to Dream Theater - The Shattered Fortress (in BOSTON). Killer song and performance. Thanks guys!!
Yeah, I've been watching you guys for over a year.
I love how you guys break it down.
No matter what it is. So keep it up, I'll keep watching. Paul from Utah peace.
The live version from 2001 with Mike Portnoy sounds way better even in the mix
this
Definitely more Dream Theater guys! Loved this reaction. You should try their song Blind Faith. A huge favorite amongst the fans
And a very warm welcome to the wonderful world of Dream Theater's most Progressive side. This is one of my absolute favourites from them.
Loved your discussion about the conductor. Dream Theater does not need a conductor, and maybe most of the orchestra does not need the conductor. One part that the conductor does that does not apply (I think) is when he wants some part of the orchestra to play soft or hard or rising music etc. But I agree with both of You that in most situations - they are not needed.
Check out any band from any year at The Rock in Rio Concert. Faith No More and Iron Maiden are my favorites
Morning guys! What did i just watch??? Lol! Yup,they were all playing their own song and put it all together! I love how y'all joke around together! Anyways,that was kool when they split the screen and show all of them doing their part! Loved watching! 🤓
Yeah, you guys are great. I'm not a patreon member but you usually do react or respond to my comments. God bless you guys.
Aint that and " old " 80s band ? Never really listened to them , but this one is 🔥🔥Need to check them out some more obviously . Ty Cody for requesting this. Always awesome to discover new music .
They're more a 90s-2000s band but their debut came out in 89, so sure? lol
@@TheBlackQueen ohh ok well maybe I was confused , and thought about the Motley Crue album haa , thanks for letting me know
You are welcome
Finally progressive metal right on
Yeah, I've been watching the guys for over a year. That's why I like it but you guys break it downo matter what it Keep it up, my friends, Paul from Utah, checking out peace.
I got 2 words for ya !!!!
REAL MUSICIANS !!!
Best band ever to make music.
Yous guys are hilarious! You just watched the Yodas of each instrument ......at the same time!
My favorite band. I have seen them live twice. They are absolute masters. High end virtuoso musicians. They make it look so easy.
Hollywood, I cracked up at your reaction when Jordan started playing some old school ragtime music.
These musicians play 69 hours a day 420hours in 3 days. Some of the greatest ever
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@@mattlane4367no ! John Petrucci/ With Kevin Moore or Derek Sherinian or Jordan Rudess ! Portnoy NO
Great reaction fellas.
This is a great instrumental from them from an emotional story album
Surprised Hollywood got it right lol!
This song represents a sex scene in the album Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory. The whole album is a masterpiece and tells the story of a reincarnated murder victim discovering his past life as a woman named Victoria, who was supposedly murdered by her husband, but he knows there must be more to the truth than what is known.
This is an album you need to hear all the way through.
That's not quite the right story. Victoria death was ruled a murder, but the accused was the brother of the man she'd been seeing, who then killed himself, but the witness was actually the jilted lover, which nobody knew at the time.
@@Matt-ob3it Bruh, I said "Supposedly" and "but he knows there must be more to the truth", because just saying who the actual killer is is a spoiler.
@@TheBlackQueen Fair enough, but just pointing out it wasn't her husband because she never married. She was engaged, per the DVD videos, but they never tied the knot. That let him get away with it.
Pink Floyd - On the turning away ( live remastered)
Going into the “dance of eternity” cold is brave! 😂 good job guys. I love the song but it takes a few listens until you get used to it. ( like many DT songs) But now it’s the song that keeps on giving. It’s hard to get bored listening too this, you just have to be in the mood 😉
Love is the dance of eternity. (It's from their song "Metropolis Pt1")
One of my favorite bands.
The conductor is at the simplest, the metronome or “click track” for the orchestra. When you are lost in the sheet music, concentrating on your part, it’s easy to lose pace.
When you are just one person in a sea of musicians, it can be difficult to single out any other instrument that would be helpful in staying in time.
The conductor is also focused on the big picture of the performance, and can signal to a section or individual who might be playing too loudly or too quietly. They can also control moments of silence, and ensure everyone comes back in at the same time.
My lady plays multiple instruments. Was in band all through school, including college… She heard this song and exclaimed… “If they told us we had to play that in band, I would have quit and joined the robotics club, because that would be easier!”
Freaking finally! "Home" next!
Great! DT is one of my favorite.
If you have time, please check whole album, it is a masterpiece.
11:56
LOL Smokey.
"At least they have the sheet music!"
Guys a band has a set list which they play again and again. They take a call on what they want to do instead of having music written and played the way it is supposed to be.
In an orchestra most of the time you don't know who is who. You come play and get lost. The notes are given to and you're spoken to in a group before the show happens yes you try a few things with other musicians check the sound and start. Musicians are placed in certain parts of the orchestra according to their timing to come in and go out. The composer is so very important in that scenario because he will point at each side and get the whole thing synchronised to the point. I used to play for a band and even today every now and then I play for orchestras as and when I'm called (even cover bands). I would die if I didn't have a composer in front with 30 to 40 musicians who you have never played with before.
I thought this was an older video, how have you guys NOT checked out Dream Theater yet? These guys are unreal. They have so many good songs. a rabbit holes worth. SOME are really long, but trust some of the longest ones are there best work so PLEASE don't feel hesitant to do longer songs from these guys. if ANY band deserves a 20 minute song reaction it's these guys. here are some more songs to react to from them: Panic Attack, In The Name of God, Under A Glass Moon, Octavarium, The Count Of Tuscany, The Root of All Evil, 6:00, Metropolis Part 1, The Glass Prison, A Nightmare To Remember, ect. i could go on.
They did a video for The Glass Prison 😊
First off, you say composer but mean conductor. The composer is the one playing the balancing act of task master charting out every player's sheet music and everything that comes with writing the music. The conductor is the one physically onstage with the baton(and is usually a role filled by an entirely separate person).
Now the purpose of the conductor is not merely to keep time. Most of the players know to do that themselves, especially when it comes to the percussion section, whether by tapping their foot or counting in their head. The job of the conductor is to interpret the score as per specific notes, ensuring correct entries of ensemble members, to mold phrasing where appropriate and keep tempo when necessary.
And the conductor does not only direct through arm movement but also with eye contact and facial expression.
Also gotta Octavarium, Metropolis Pt. 1, and one of my faves, Panic Attack
Okay, guys. I have gone through every single video of yours, and you have reacted to only 4 songs by Dream Theater. They are getting ready to release album #16 . I would love to see you react to any song from black clouds & silver linings as an ode to the bands accomplishments. What do you say? Love your channel and my favorite reactions are your dream theater reactions because the band is amazing.
The conductor is following the band. The orchestra is following the conductor.
DT is a band that i believe the whole album needs to be listened to as their musical projects tend to be larger and longer.
That being said, you should listen to "Home" by Dream Theater, which is the track before Dance of Eternity on the album it comes from :)
When playing live you need something to keep you in time, whether it's the conductor in an orchestra or if it's a click track like DT and pretty much every live band uses. They're all using in ear monitors so they can hear both the click track to keep everyone in time + what their instruments sound like in the mix.
This epic instrumental is much more appreciated if you listen to it within the context of Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From A Memory...and of course Metropolis part 1.
Dude on the left is a prime example you don't know what you don't know. It's so easy to get out of time on a piece that's unfamiliar (likely the hired orchestra), or even difficult familiar pieces. Also, you watch the conductor with your peripheral vision.
You just sit there and take it in! No moving just to rain trying to comprehend
Music is everything, this is the proof.
Hollywood - watch the movie "Tar" for a good exploration of what a conductor does. Also, Dream Theater are matsters of their craft
Hollywood, think of it like this. Imagine you are tasked with rapping over a sample but you cant hear the beat. If smokey stands in front of you and claps on the beat would you be able to follow? There are times on a big stage where hearing the drummer is not always possible or you may be hearing an echo of the drums causing you to be slightly delayed. Furthermore in a song with so many time signature changes like this you may not be able to find the discernable downbeat of the measure and by the time you figured it out, you are now way behind. I've played orchestral arrangements and participated in marching band as a drummer / percussionist and following the conductor was imperative. In my current situation, I play live to an in ear click track which acts as my conductor so to speak as our timing has to be spot on.
Over 100 meter changes in 6 minutes, just FYI. Prog metal at its finest..
The orchestra and conductor was a one off thing. I believe this was a special show that they did at Berkley College of Music. John Petrtrucci, the guitarist, John Myung, the bassist, and Mike Mangini, the drummer, all studied there, and in fact Mangini was a professor there before joining DT!
Normally tho, the 4 instrumental members of DT play this flawlessly without a conductor or sheet music. I've seen them do it!
(correction, this was at the Boston Opera House with the Boston Symphony Orchestra)
This was live at the Boston Opera House with the Boston Symphony Orchestra
@@omegaman420 Ah my bad. Thanks for the catch!
@@EPIzen24 You're welcome
7:43 - That's OK. There is like 120 time signature changes on this song so you can be a bit confused. :D
There is a video "The Dance of Eternity but every time there's a time signature change it gets faster" that is only one minute and twelve seconds.. Check it out .. if you want to. For an a filler or a short or something. xD
But yeah.. Amazing song and you two are always a pleasure to watch. :)
Thank you! ( dang..)
Wow 🤯🤯🤯 that was 🔥🔥🔥
there's over 100 time signature changes. Hard to bop your head unless you know the song.
The first time I watched the Metropolis DVD was around when I started getting actual good weed, and my brain short circuited to the point where all I could do is laugh hysterically and throw my guitar into a fire. As far as remembering the song, it's as easy as calculating the square root of banana.
The originators of this style.... King Crimson!!
i went to high school with a couple of the guys from the juliana theory, and saw kosker after they got off a tour in the early 2000's. while chatting we somehow got talking about dream theater. he said (paraphrasing), "anytime i start to get a big head, i just listen to dream theater so i remember how bad i really am."
That conductor argument made me laugh!
A song you can't dance to with dance in the title. Love it.
Bigelf "The Evils of Rock and Roll"
Just for reference, keyboardist Jordan Rudess DOES use sheet music, but in digital form displayed on a tablet.
You're right and wrong at the same time, thats why that discussion will never end. Yes they could all play by an agreed metronome and sheet music, but the conductor is the Interpreter of the orchestra.. which translates to setting a tempo and intensity for each part (remember, once it was the composer who did this, cause he couldn't play all instruments at the same time). In a band there's less people to agree so it's easier (and the tempo is set by the drummer usually). Sometimes they will follow someone as well, but that guy will be playing at the same time.
The Dance of Eternity relates to the overall theme/storyline of the album which is reincarnation 👍🏼🤘🏼🏴
The best Songs are Octavarium/ The Count of Tuscany and Illumination Theory in Boston Opera House , 👈 this is AMAZING with the Professor Mike Mangini
The composer plays the orchestra. Argument done.
You don't need sheet music for complex music, honestly. Jordan, the keyboardist, is the only person in a Metal band I've seen use sheet music during their performance. I was in marching band and we didn't use sheet music while performing. We not only played the intricate orchestral music, but we performed shapes on the football field. Military marching band. Yes, having a Conductor helps with timing, but if you have the song memorized, you don't need sheet music.
10:30 everyones face first time hearing dream theatre 😂
You guys must react to "Upper Levels" live version from a brazilian metal band called Angra
Sex is probably the right answer with context in mind lmao. Scenes From A Memory is a concept album about a double homicide that takes place with an affair in mind, and the affair happens in the track *immediately* before this song on the album. Brilliant stuff.
U guys shoulda did “as I am “
Would love to see the homies react to El Estepario Siberiano!
i raccomend "Dance of Instrumental" , is a masterpiece
Ya'll need to check out this whole album. And then watch the Dragonball Z movie (TV special) History Of Trunks. The album this is on is the soundtrack
👍Nice. 🖖❤
Please checknout this entire album from start to finish .... the whole album is one big story and plays together perfectly
And btw.. The only guy playing with sheet music is the keyboardist Jordan Rudes. The rest of the band has it memorized.
And the Symphony Orchestra is there for the extra touch. That condutor doesnt manage the whole band.
So please do more Dream Theater.
You must try Intrumedley live in budokan
Hey trash talkers I'm a huge fan it would mean alot of you could do "disturbed - overburdened (song & lyrics)" two of my grandma's are in the hostipital at the moment and I had a really bad spiral of depression this week. Thanks for helping me with my depression.
If I remember correctly this song goes through 103 time changes
I recommend their song enigma machine
It's been 15 years listening to DT non stop, and the take on the dance of eternity being sex just Bleu my mind, because in the album, the next song is "home" and you should check the lyrics
Good Stuff. But on another subject are you guys planning on doing a reaction to A Perfect Circle - When the Levee Breaks Live at Red Rocks back in 2011 i think. It's a different version than the studio version and many including me think the live performance is better with Maynard and Billy just doing clean vocals with no effects, unless you both have already heard it than all good. Keep up the good work 👍
LOL 😅 "I dont know how to bob my head to them."
this is the musical equivalent of Wile E Coyote getting close to the Roadrunner, Road Runner saying "meep meep" and jumping to hyperspeed while Wile's jaw is hanging on the ground. the number one band that frustrates me musically, because you need a PHD in mathematics to be able to play this shit. But regardless, still love them.
Hola buenas saludos desde España , gracias por los vídeos son muy divertidos, conozco a Dream Theater desde hace 25 años les recomiendo que suban algo de ellos , para mi son unos de lo mejores músicos del mundo
You got it actually - the title The Dance of Eternity is a reference to the band's earlier song "Metropolis Part 1" from their second album (as it is from their fifth full studio album, Metropolis Part 2: Scenes from a Memory), where the final line of the lyrics is "Love is the Dance of Eternity." And in terms of the album's story, this instrumental comes in right after we learn one of the characters, Victoria, had been cheating on her partner Julian with his brother Edward. So the song is in fact a sex scene.
What time signature is this in? All of them. 😂
U guys should listen to System of a down Mind from their self titled album, a 6 minutes long song,
For the next soad song or monday
Recomend this musics of Dream Theater
Illumination Theory (Live In Boston Opera House)
Octavarium (Live)
A Rite Of Passage
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼❤❤❤
"man idk how to bop to this song"
answer: you don't, you count
Guitar Hero - Level 1 Million
Hollywoo😆
Its funny seeing people trying to bang his head with this song
What is this? With Mangini? Taking my like back and waiting until you react to the studio version or with Portnoy
This song makes me wonder how much storage space is left in the drummers brain
tip for you guys, aways go for the songs with mike portnoy on the drums...trust me when i say it hits diferent
Conductor, not composer! Haha