Alice Camera, the AI camera for creators
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2021
- Launched on Indiegogo on Tuesday 9th February 2021.
For more information:
www.alice.camera
Credits:
Produced by Outfly
Creative Director: Jonathan Smith
3D: Curtis Keeble
Filming and Editing: Jack McCausland
Script: Joe Caplin
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The Alice Camera™ is an AI-accelerated computational camera (AI camera) built by Photogram AI and is made for content creators, RUclipsrs, vloggers and for anyone else who wants to shoot, edit and share content seamlessly. It will feature an interchangeable lens system, professional-quality imaging sensors and the latest computational photography features. Imagine having one device that gives you the best elements of a DSLR, mirrorless and smartphone.
#AliceCamera #AICamera #ComputationalPhotography
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Photogram AI is computational photography startup based in London bringing artificial intelligence to photography and cameras. We specialise in AI-accelerated hardware and software for photography. Our mission is to empower creatives with technology and we are reimagining the camera as a computer designed from the ground up for you.
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The future is computational. The comments here are missing the fact that Alice has an onboard AI computational chip besides the sensor. It’s using a powerful neural network onboard technology. Content creators all have 1k + phone/cameras in their pockets with powerful computational tech that is getting close to cinema quality but fails at the final stage because of its small sensor size. I believe this could become a game-changer for content creators and filmmakers who hate the horrible 1980’s clunky user interface menus on every mirrorless camera but love that interchangeable lens, big sensors, and Tonie blurry depth of field ( Get this to RUclipsr Camera Conspiracies and this will blow up)
Alice will win our hearts if the AI can take our images with amazing color science of Canon, easy to connect to phone, a modular design to add viewfinders, flipping screens, special lens kits discounts with glass partners, and a companion app that is a next-gen slick interface and user experience. The fact that you guys are making everything open source is your killer sauce that can make Alice innovate in wonderland.
I’ll plop my dollars down as soon as we can see some real-world footage. Many have a lot of glass already and sick of camera manufacturers giving us no real innovation and multiple models but continue always leave a feature out. Your price point is fine if the sensor and AI ships get me to a black magic cinema-quality, more so if the AI makes it simple. I would say ship with color profile looks so we don”t have to mess with the gDamn log whatever complicated workflow. I have spent tens of thousands of dollars on so many cameras and I still have to work harder now with flat profiles to get that cinema look. I love Fuji for their baked-in looks that I can start editing right out of the camera, but there is always a missing feature ( stabilization) missing on their cameras.
Get your first models to some filmmakers to show what Alice can do that can differentiate what an iPhone 10 bit 12 can output will be the real test to validate this concept. Looking over your team of talent behind Alice is impressive and I have a feeling many of the camera manufacturers who have not innovated much may have to go ask Alice how to move cameras into the modern age of AI and computational.
What would kill this project is a bad privacy and data policy. Alice must respect privacy, never collect data to share for exploitation or worse participate in any of Google's technocratic face id surveillance or tracking, and remain independent and stay clear of any of Google's shared neural networks. I want to remain free from any simulated sentient intelligence that captures my creativity.
Looking forward to ALICE.
Good idea, but I will never buy a camera without a flip screen. But a very simple solution the phone holder opens to the side, and we have a front screen
Thanks Robert, yep! The phone can come out to the side and you'll be able to see yourself in selfie mode - demonstration is here: www.indiegogo.com/projects/alice-camera-an-ai-camera-for-content-creators--2/x/23446348
@@thealicecamera Yes, I know this very well I can turn the phone. But there is no time for that during recording. If you flip the screen to the side or up it is one second. And you can do this by turning the phone holder to the side or up. If you need to turn the phone unnecessarily press something and it goes thirty seconds and the phone back and it's one minute. In the end, I will be angry and I will record only with the phone.
Sorry to be negative, I'm actually very excited about this camera.
I say this because I know that 100% of creators use the front screen. That's why I'm writing to you because I want the camera to be what we need.
I hope you understand why I won’t or why I will buy a camera. ✌
P.S.
A year ago, I decided to buy an action camera. At the time, the GoPro did not have a front screen. That means I chose between DJI Osmo action and Insta 1r.
Which camera do you think I bought?
DJI because I switch between the rear and front screen with one press of a button ...
I hope we see some real life footage soon 👍🏽
Heya! We got some images on our campaign page - please check it out! www.indiegogo.com/projects/alice-camera-an-ai-camera-for-content-creators--2/x/23446348
Finally a AI camera from guys that know what's they doing, and not run off with our money
1500 is insane considering you need a phone as well to see everything, not having a screen should kick off 800 so 799 would be better, especially for an older sensor and only 10.7 mp
It's seriously 1500? 😅
U mean the price?
I have been waiting for something exactly like this! As a MFT user (Panasonic gh6), this will tie into my kit perfectly. So excited for the release!
I have also Olympus Micro 4/3 -system and lenses.
Having AI do all the work takes the fun out of photography imo
This is where all cameras should head towards
Brilliant thank you! We believe so as well :)
@@thealicecamera noice 👍
Nice concept but Sony has done this 6 years ago with their qx line most notably the qx1 which had the APS-C sensor. It didn't work out but let's see how you guys do! Smartphone tech has really evolved since then.
Also a few points.
1) No viewfinder. This is something major that holds a lot of cameras back. In very bright light no smartphone display will hold up and it's very difficult to frame the shot.
2) wow that selfie mode is pretty awful. You're only able to see half of your smartphone so only frame half of your shot? Sony did this better with a flip grip for their qx range. Might want to have a look at that.
3) the size of this thing is the same as a small Sony dslr like the a5100 or nex series. They're a fraction of the price. Is this the final size of your product?
exactly and it was a fail, as these cameras are so slow and hard to use, because you have to keep connect to your phone to be able to use it. Too much hassle. I bought one 6 years ago, used it few times and regretted it.
If you still have it then give it a try, with modern smartphones they work very well! Sony was ahead of its time
will it be light enough to use with smarphone gimbals? that would be a blast! I'm thinking Smooth 4 / Osmo Mobile, and of course Filmic Pro integration, or implementing native support for gimbals inside the Alice App
This is one of those products trying to fill in that gap between smartphone and DSLR videography. The idea sounds great but I'm not sure if it will succeed in the marketplace, best of luck to you guys.
Is it the same 8MP 10bit sensor as used on the blackmagic cameras, that are made for video?
what about AF capable lenses? will it work better than Panasonic's AF technology? Does it support stabilized lenses?
Am I missing something? Does it lack a viewfinder? If so why not make it a future camera with dual viewfinders? I definitely need a viewfinder when I reach for my G9 system camera.
Did it ever cross your mind that maybe Alice is NOT being built for you? Lol
@@cameratroll2744 well I guess some people have just one eye, but that would be a too small target group for the camera. 🧐
so how do you do a quick photo with this? You always have to connect to a smartphone before shooting... I find it weird that this product is advertised like something new. Sony had a similar one 6-8 years ago, it was kind of a failure (I bought one, but rarely used it because of the slow functionality, had to take it out from the bag/pocket, connect to the phone all the time, I missed many things because of this). Way too much hassle. And for this money you buy a smaller milc camera. So what you advertise as an advantage (compared to normal cameras) is a huge disadvantage actually.
Your Idea is great! But
I suggest using something which have more processing power than a smartphone so that one can capture, edit, store and share Content.
i owned a bestgrip cage iphone with sony lenses so ima see if this is worth it
Like the idea.
Cheers Murshed
Very interested to see where this goes
Thanks a lot Hugh! Please do consider subscribing and staying on top of new content we will release
This looks promising but there are many questions.
-Does it have a mic jack and maybe a headphone jack?
- Does it have a hot shoe mount?
- Which video/photo formats does it shoot
- Does it shoot log or any other flat video formats?
- Can it record video in two exposures and blend them?
- Does it have a tripod screw mount?
- Does it support a nightmode like samsung/iphone/google etc
- Does it have smart modes and options like ai bokeh.
- Any astro modes?
- Which video resolutions and frame rates are supported?
- Does it use phase detect autofocus?
- Does it have video features like focus peaking and zebras
- Does it have a manual focus switch?
Things that would make it even better:
- Support on Dji/Zhiyun/Feiyutech gimbals, like tracking futures.
- 5 axis stabilization (might be difficult with the gh5s sensor size)
- 10 bit video
The problem with these small ventures is that the idea is mostly good, however 90% of the time they fail on the delivery.
No disrespect to Dyson, they make great vacuum cleaners but they are no camera or smartphone company. Would have been much better to work with companies like Panasonic/Sony for the camera part and Samsung/Google for the software.
good questions. I'm having the same.
also what is the body made of?
I will not judge anything neither positively or negatively based on this promotion video. Let's see what independent reviewers say about the camera when the first real produced cameras hit the market. Good luck!
Thanks for your comment, we will get in the hands of some reviewers soon!
@@thealicecamera I love potato jet’s reviews :)
@@SteashEdits Potato Jet is a legend!
Can I use it with an iPhone 12 mini? What if the phone has a protective case? Thanks!
Yes, and it works fine with cases too!
Suggestion. If you want to sell this camera to people who recognize how this might fit into their life, you have to do a better job of simply and clearly explaining how this is better than the next iPhone. As a videographer who’s interested in a smaller camera that can accept stills lenses, I need to understand exactly what an AI powered camera is going to do for me. Also, I would offer an ef speed booster/adapter option right out the gate because most people already know what they think of m4/3 and most people who have a bunch of these lenses have a camera they wont be replacing with this and if they don’t, they probably dont know enough about m4/3 to go out and find the right one for them. Maybe choose a lens to market it with?... like the Olympus zoom... basically the commercial makes this camera seem too niche by inferring that its for everybody so it feels like its almost for no one. Give me a very real use case and let me decide if that fits into my life. Example: this lens with this camera will do this thing for you via ai, specifically. Feature - bridge - benefit. P.s. You should exclusively market this towards the travel photographer/videographers in my opinion. My 2 cents. Maybe you guys know something I don’t know but I definitely didn’t learn it by watching this video. Sorry if that’s harsh. I love to see innovation and I love the idea of a camera taking advantage of AI via a high quality sensor. The thing that caught my attention in the graphic ad that was not delivered by this commercial was the AI usage. When I hear “AI” in a camera I think about the ability to fix/adjust focus in post. If you can pull that off, you’ll be rewarded. George Lucas can do it but it’s not available for me and you and I believe that feature would require some kind of proprietary electronic lens. To be honest, the second I saw mention of micro4/3, I realized this likely wasn’t going to be a feature because most of those lenses don’t offer much electronic control. If you can pair AI with a lens, ur in the money.
Hey Erika, thanks a lot for your detailed comment. Really some amazing points in there an we will take it on board.
One of the things we are doing with AI is to be able to apply custom presets/LUT to the footage (image or video) whilst it is being shot in real-time so that when it is saved you have the preset already applied. We will also be doing HDR for image and video. The way in which Alice will be doing autofocusing will be AI-driven, not using contrast or phase detect.
Our campaign page has much tangible details on how Alice will help creators out. Please do consider checking out and would love your thoughts - www.indiegogo.com/projects/alice-camera-an-ai-camera-for-content-creators--2/x/23446348
A fan of the concept! Let’s hope this doesn’t die out like the Sony QX1, this can be an asset for mobile shooters who want a bridge between their smart phones, and transitional cameras.
Best of luck!
Thanks so much for your comment and support! We really appreciate and want to go the distance with Alice! :)
Will there be a Final Cut Pro for older iPads
Will there be Final Cut Pro for older iPads
Ive asked this on the livechat and got no response. How will it be for filmaking? Thanks
Very keen to understand the specs and features here too... Have emailed as well, though only yesterday
@@MarkSze heya, please check out our Indiegogo page, full details there - www.indiegogo.com/projects/alice-camera-an-ai-camera-for-content-creators--2/x/23446348
heya, please check out our Indiegogo page, full details there - www.indiegogo.com/projects/alice-camera-an-ai-camera-for-content-creators--2/x/23446348
Malaysial waiting for ALICE CAMERA
Phones don’t always need to keep up on a professional level. Depends on what you want to shoot. Tools are great but if you can’t convey any hint of like a story, you’ve lost me as a viewer. For someone who wants to use VFX, I’ll be using my PC for that. BUT... this is a good alternative to the DSLR adapters
With such a low Res sensor it would need to shoot 4k Cinema RAW dng
Why is RAW capability more important than it would be if you had extra pixels? 4K DCI is 8.9 MP.
IIMMPPRESSIIVVE ❤️❤️❤️
How will it be different from Olympus Air
Technology has changed a lot since the Olympus Air was released. We have more modern wifi, better connectivity, computational photography for better results straight-out-of-the-camera and more open source and closer integration with the smartphone.
When will the Final Cut camera app be released
Olympus Air here, hello?
Heya, Alice has a more modern sensor with better low-light performance and dynamic range than the Air 01, it has advanced computational photography capabilities built-in, it has more modern, faster and more reliable wifi & bluetooth capabilities, it is more ergonomic, and our open-source offering will be significantly more comprehensive.
@@thealicecamera I hope you succeed but few will be bothered to attach their phone to a dumb camera. There's full camera users that want ergonomics, optic options and big sensors and there's phone users who don't want to carry around a camera and are happy with images only seen on small screens.
@@karmakoma9743 The Alice Camera works without the phone attached too - it doesn't have to be attached. For example, if you want to live stream to Twitch/RUclips you can have your Alice Camera set up across the room and view yourself on your phone to check if the set up looks good. We'd have to disagree with you... there's also a growing group of influencers and social media users who don't want the headaches and complications of operating a traditional full frame digital camera with their archaic menu systems, poor connectivity and lack of image editing capabilities, but they want better quality than their smartphone. You'll find that there are tens of millions of people like this around the world who now make a living from building their own personal lifestyle brand on platforms like RUclips, Twitch, Instagram and TikTok. Thanks for your comment!
This is basically a more modern and advanced Olympus Air camera... lol
Hello! Can I upload this video on my RUclips channel vb.ai ?
Wish it had some sort of viewfinder 😢
For me I’d think it need a hot shoe system
Will Alice work with older iPhones like the iPhone SE
Yes it will!
@@thealicecamera that’s awesome do you ship to USA and do Alice work independently of iPhone or do you need iPhone app for it to work
Yes we ship to the US. The camera will work without the iPhone but you’ll need the phone to view it as a viewfinder. It is possible to use an iPad or laptop as well but we will roll this out later
@@thealicecamera cool so it be released this tear how much is the cost will it be available online us markets
It just work on iphone? Or it works to android devices?
🙏🏾
where can i buy this at
Hey, directly on our website, you can pre-order now and expect to receive it in early Spring next year alice.camera/
Creators get it... this is the next logical step in evolution.
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how can i order it
The purpose of the camera is to make it easier to use than a professional camera. But why the manual focus? It is not easy for everyone to use.And also flip screen and mobile is camera is not good idea
10 mpx is too small! If it's going to be an external device, why not go beyond micro four-thirds?...
...will this be available in North America 🥺
...because North Americans are easier to fleece...
@@dave5875 🤦🏿♂️
Yes. We will ship to North America.
So, basically you allow a phone to use interchangeable micro 4/3 lenses?? And what's the story with AI? Any automatic camera mode is AI
Price?
Heya, the camera is going for 600 GBP at moment, few left at this price - www.indiegogo.com/projects/alice-camera-an-ai-camera-for-content-creators--2/x/23446348
Price plz(From India)
Find all the details here igg.me/at/alice-camera/x#/comments
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Hey from the UK!
The important question is “how much is the price” ??
If I can get at least 10bit out of it I'm sold but I imagine that depends on what phone you use 🤔?
you wont get 10 bit good luck on that.
@@kevinsavasci7311 pretty sure the new iPhone can shoot in 10bit? I imagine the phone does all the processing of the image? I would need to learn alot more b4 Investing but If I can get an image close to a bmpcc4k in this form factor would be great for a light weight FPV cinema drone that isn't so intimidating around talent. 🤔
@@brettalexander.studio its just a novelty, stick to a real camera like Panasonic G9.
@@kevinsavasci7311 i’d probably use my a7c over a g9. lighter weight, full frame and has gyro stabilization. only 8bit tho 💩
@@brettalexander.studio whats 8bit? the G9 is 10 bit.
"Patented" at the beginning of the video and "open source" at the end? Does this mean you're open sourcing the parents for something like CC, or is just wanting to eat your cake and have it too?
Certain parts of our stack are protected and certain are exposed for our users to use and get more control
I guess we can only hope this isn't another example of questionable patents ruining things for the actual open source community. E.g., RED and the bogus internal RAW recording patent.
Hi there ! it is an amazing tool ! i can´t wait ! im content, blog, music clips creator. When you think it will be available to buy it ? and of course... suscribed 👍
Hey there, thanks! You can buy here igg.me/at/alice-camera/x#/comments
Anda where are the videos filmed with this camera?
Sharing them super soon! We got some images on our campaign page - please check it out! www.indiegogo.com/projects/alice-camera-an-ai-camera-for-content-creators--2/x/23446348
I keep searching for images captured using this device but all I see is the model putting this device and shooting without the final output. As a developer I think you should let consumer see what this device is capable of instead of saying that we got this we got that. I hope that make sense. Otherwise I would only consider this product as gimmicky.
Hey Reymond, if you head to our Indiegogo page and scroll down you'll find some pictures taken with the Alice Camera www.indiegogo.com/projects/alice-camera-an-ai-camera-for-content-creators--2#/
Why is this more than a premium phone? 😂
@0:20 I'm 100% sure that this is not the future of photography.
Only time will tell ;)
Good day I am a davinci resolve editor
One more camera in the market looking like support only apple products all the video is link to Apple iPhone or the example of workflow Apple computers, nowadays a lot people don't use Apple anymore included production, Interesting Idea but I'm a bi skeptical with this Price side a bit salty compare to other cameras. I guess worth to wait more for that to not being like for the old LIGHT L16 camera with multiples lenses come with the same way and went no where. Anyway none then less worth keep one eye on it I guess.
You can use almost any smartphone - Android or apple!
Make the smartphone flip out like the most camera screens does. I don’t see it working like it does now.
I think a 10megapixel camera is to low. You should at least have an image of 20mp at this price point. I can’t see the advantage to a regular smartphone camera at this point.
A viewfinder is needed when you shoot without smartphone.
I like the concept and the design of the camera. But I don’t want to invest in this product because it is not worth the extra money over a good smartphone. It should feature better specs like a Sony rx100 at least. Wich is in the same price range.
lower resolution is intentional and better for video...
same area of sensor with lower pixel count means more light hit every pixel. like for example pana gh5 is 20mpix and newer better version gh5s is only 10mpix...
not it would matter anyway because this is inherently stupid design and every single MFT camera offers remote operation, editing and sharing over mobile phone as standard. for half of the price with extra display and basic lens...
can it shoot 4k 60p and write 12 bit raw 4:2:2 ? ;) just kidding, but serious about 60p
4k 30 ;)
I hope this video wasn't shot with Alice 😅. Joking aside it would be easier to back this with some example photos and footage.
Heya! We got some images on our campaign page - please check it out! www.indiegogo.com/projects/alice-camera-an-ai-camera-for-content-creators--2/x/23446348
@@thealicecamera I've seen the images with the camera, but I haven't see any "Shot with Alice" type of images or videos.
@@thierylaverdure Oh, if you head over to section 3 you will see and edited sample image taken by the Alice Camera indoors and with no flash
I'll tell you why I think this is better than FF mirrorless camera.
If this thing can improve iPhone 12 pro image by at least 100% which is kinda expectable, well... even now you can see comparisons between iPhone 12 pro and Sony a7siii and many people would use the iPhone inserted the Sony for many reasons. If alice can improve the iPhone 12 pro image, then this will be first product to really start killing camera industry for consumers. Let's be realists, even now the smartphones are huge part of the camera industry down side fluctuation. Imagine what might happen when something improves smartphone cameras drastically? The other plus here is that, except the light weight of the Alice + phone, the MFT lenses are significantly lighter than FF lenses.
If this thing can bring low light performance and stabilization by co-working with the phones algorithms and processing power, then mirrorless world is over. The only people who will buy cameras will be only the professionals, which are not significant number for driving an industry
MFT lenses are excellent on the low end to amazing at the pro level. Alice allows for use of said lenses. Olympus is already leading the way forward in computational photography.
@@UmbertoAmante Lol
A little over priced!
Really? What price do you think it should be? Super early bird price going for £550 right now
One word: AUDIO
The world does not need anymore awesome video cameras with shit audio.
Why wouldn't you just attach a shotgun mic?
@@gaurav.anirbandutta I would hope it has interchangable lenses. It's standard to sell with and without stock lenses.
I don't think anyone serious relies on in-camera audio.
But if they are targeting somewhat serious buyers, the smart features can't be gimmicky. They'll hopefully focus on image upscaling such as Google Pixel phones except with a much larger sensor & lens.
If it's just social sharing and filters, there's already products that do this.
@@gaurav.anirbandutta Professional audio just isn't compact. If it was fixed to the device and good quality, it wouldn't be a compact camera.
Interchangeable lenses are just another option for modularity. It doesn't have to make the product more expensive. A lens will be fixed or mounted to the lens as part of the kit either way.
I'm already skeptical of this product for not including footage.
well, just look at the range of iRig interfaces and audio options for smartphones. and this would mean you have the ability to sync it all in-app. Bluetooth included. Don't see an issue here. Good quality audio comverters and preamps/audio interfaces are quite expensive. I think it it wise to let the user buy those depending on what he/she requires.
too bad, way too expensive :(
"Professional cameras are hard to use" Proceeds to use the exact same things normal cameras do... (shutter speed, aperture etc.)
"Professional quality" sensor. No. Todays professional photographers have atleast 20MP and a bigger sensor than M43.
Great and very cool idea, but horribly executed and you can surely do better.
Seeing the Laowa junk on the front put me off....no thanks
The Laowa is great! Don't be like that 😉
Your Idea is great! But
I suggest using something which have more processing power than a smartphone so that one can capture, edit, store and share Content.
The computational engine is inside the Alice camera, not the phone. They explain it in the video.