How AI Solved My BIGGEST Art Problem!
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I did a pencil sketch, took a photo and uploaded to Midjourney and it gave me a bunch of versions of the sketch in different compositions (that looked like my original drawing), then I continued to refined it further, took another photo and wrote a prompt to turn the drawing into a photorealistic version of the sketch and then I had my final reference that I used to create a collage in photoshop that I later oil painted. AI is just mind blowing and fascinating to me, it’s like having 100 studio assistants/minions during the renaissance helping you execute your own ideas 😂
Which app
Exactl. It’s good for reference
I never thought about using it to create references. That's pretty cool but it's annoying the way it's normally being used. I hate that artists have to compete with AI accounts on insta and and people selling AI prints on etsy. Like people that don't know any better assume they actually created that work and comment stuff like, "wow you're so talented!" It's like no, the artists that actually contributed to that work were talented. These people are just frauds that posts mash ups of other people's work. I even had someone tell me they were gonna try to "recreate" my artwork by putting my concept into the prompt. I'm like "you don't even make art. Now you want to copy the concept too. Do you need anything else spoon fed to you?"
That sounds really annoying. I am sorry they did that to you, this is so rude! The print market seem to get flooded even more than it already is, i am really curious to see what will happen there, ai def comes with downsides, too!
Totally agree. Makes art cheap.
maybe you should try using it yourself because none of what you're describing is accurate. It's just the the same verbatim uttered by other artists who felt threatened by them. I'm also guessing real artists have never done what you are describing here. It's not like most artists don't copy off each other when developing their styles.....
the worst frauds are those who carry around those photographic light boxes taking "pictures" and "videos", just learn how to paint, ugh
I've been experimenting with Stable Diffusion for four days now. It is not "easy" to make "art" with this. It's a challenging, time-consume, mesmerizing, inspiring process. Anyone who can generate something people are willing to pay money for is definitely an artist. On the other hand, the ocean of mediocre Twitter "artists" _should_ feel threatened. If you never understood art and originality in the first place, this AI has just replaced you.
I started digital painting two years ago. Although in this second year I haven't been painting much. Only doing small sketches playing around with composition and perspective. I saw midjourney and instantly liked some of the stuff it made. My first thought was "impossible" I praised who I thought was the artist and even commented how what he did is almost humanly impossible. (The colors were placed in such a way that no human could do.) Then went on. Then the next day I saw art that had a similar signature as the other artists. However it was a different person. Then I saw this signature again and again. I then realized it was being created by midjourney.
When art is made by a person I can see how they derived their art from scratch. When I see art from midjourney I think "impossible" almost instantly.
The other dead give away of when the art (midjourney sided or not) has not had any human touch to it is there is no story to it. Overall it looks good but makes no coherent sense.
Midjourney is a king in Color Theory. It has some skill Composition. It has no skill in form, value, brushwork or perspective. It still needs to be guided by humans. It still can't fully understand humans requests.
I posted a video of me doing a self portrait after one year of learning how to digital paint on my own. It has it's flaws but I am proud of it. I've of course gotten better and enjoy losing myself in the process of finding ways to improve my art. If I have to compete with an A.I. it can only make me better. There are millions of other human artists better than me. Do I think they will take my job? No because I went through things on life that no other person or A.I can reproduce. I plan to inject my life experience into my art. Some will resonate with it and may want to hire me.
Nowadays the thing that doesn't sell is the art itself. It's the person behind the art. Picasso, banksy, the countless RUclipsrs, etc. Let people see where the art comes from and you'll always have customers. At least in my eyes.
I completely agree with you. As for the technical part, AI is also ver much behind human, sorry to say. Well done? Yes, but super imprecise and difficult to manage. I am a graphic designer and I don't see the problem myself. I was a translator before that and when Google translator was a thing, everybody was worried it could put the existence of translators at risk. To me it seemed ridiculous and it was indeed. Same here. If people are insecure because of an AI, they probably don't fully understand what's their own job about.
I would rather compete and compare my self with other human artists though than some Ai generated art. With humans I can sympathise I know they eventually struggle as much as I do, even If dont reach their skill and quality I can admire their dedication to the craft. Ai generated content as impressive as it is feels cheap to me. Call me old fashioned or a sour grape I dont care but with Ai it feels like beeing in a Marathon but you start with a motorcykle that does the heavy Lifting for you.
The video's author is an actual living person who has no problem giving away the creative part of the process to the machine. At this point, the definitions begin to blend together. There's still the craftmanship of it, and the making of a beautiful piece for the client to hang on the wall. Presumably, her audience is satisfied with cutting out her style and conceptualization in favor of the neural network visual trends. Perhaps they don't even notice the difference, and it's normal for that segment of the art market. It's a pretty diverse place.
Otherwise, there's quite a lot of universal storytelling within the learning material. I've seen pieces that are no less deep or thematic than something a human artist would do. Don't overestimate our uniqueness. I have no way to tell how well any audience member reads the meaning that I put into my work. Maybe to them, it's just a pretty decorative picture, when to me the same piece perfectly represents the feelings of bitter closure I finally got months into a particularly nasty breakup. Nor have I any idea how often the artists who made work that went into Midjourney's learning data channeled similar feelings into their work to a point where it became a trend that the algorithm picked up on.
@@CrniWuk if you can't compete with the current AI and think it gets you splendid results, you shouldn't worry, as you just aren't good at art and wouldn't able to compete with humans either. The current AI is dumb and needs a lot of guidance both in prompts and initial images, hundreds of outputs to get and coherent one and lots of final retouching.
@@cianakril I think you're missunderstanding the intention behind Ai algorithms. Thei dea behind it isn't to completely replace humans. The motivation behind programming it is the automatisation of high frequency repatable tasks. The Ai is to intellectual work what the Steam Engine was to physical labour. It doesn't matter if the AI isn't "perfect". It just has to be close enough.
I don't know what your profession is but AI programmers claim that one in every second job can be automatised. And some studies suggest that between 30 or even up to 40% of the workforce will be affected. Ai will become a common sight in many professions out there. And it's not a question of "competing" with the Ai. That's not what it is meant to be. The idea of it is that 1 or 2 Ai users can now do the work of 20 or even more. It's a tremendous boost in efficiency. But what makes it different from other improvements in efficiency is that it's exponential. And I think that is what a lot of people currently understimate. I've had enough years of programming and experience in the creative business to know that Ai is a game changer. Particularly when we think where it might be 1, 2 or even 5 and 10 years from now. What will the next generation of Ai be like? And the generation after that? I am not against Ai. I am very much for it. But it would be foolish to ignore the effect it will have on the labour market as a whole.
I find this very interesting, because often I'll look for references of a VERY specific thing and can't find anything close. Alternatively, I need a reference for something that literally doesn't exist yet. I came to a similar conclusion that ai can help in those situations where reality and photobanks just don't quite cut it. And just like with reality, we can iterate as much as we want on the source image.
Not fond of A.I. creating art. I can see too many ways people WILL take advantage of it for profit, leaving out human artists that spent time, energy and money to hone their skills. For example, a book author can just type up prompts to create a cover, rather than hire a graphic designer and/or artist to create one.
people are already abusing it. just came across 5 videos on youtube of people who were promoting on how to make money out of non-edited or tweaked ai generated art, most of them who profit out of it arent even artists.
Not fond of sewing machines. I can see too many ways people will take advantage of it for profit, leaving out the human tailors that spent time, energy and money to hone their skills.
@@christophilous4831 tell me you are not an artist without telling me you are not an artist
@@condensedmilk Tell me you're out of a job without telling me you're out of a job
@@christophilous4831 It is not the same thing. You don't just insert materials in a sewing machine, press a button and in an hour you have a dress made. You don't give a sewing machine to random person, tell them to make a dress and they can casually make one on their first try. To use a sewing machine you still need training and years of experience to actually make something beautiful. For AI art you just write some words and you get finished product.
The example of the Sumerian figure is exactly why I *wouldn't* want to use this tool- by going a much longer way around, like examining artifacts, researching archeological theories, and making your own inspired conceptual leaps as to what such a figure might look like, you end up with something very authentically specific, unprecedented, and uniquely visionary. You end up *contributing* something totally new, and placed in its own meaningful context, to the great big library of human imagination.
Let the AI skip all that process for us... We just get something predictable, general, and already known. By design AI can *only* show us averages of what has already been imagined. It saves work, but at the cost of glazing over specificity with generality; substituting fact for assumption.
And to me, that's the biggest problem *I want to avoid doing myself*. This AI process is familiar to me, as a reflection of my own *least desirable* habits as an artist. I'd rather have art that is ugly, suprising, and grounded in real referrence, than art that is aesthetic, unchallenging, and generated from the average impulses of existing visual language.
That *is* just a matter of taste, but, ALL the economics of art aside, I would feel so malnourished if all the art we have was saturated with the taste for the later....
I mean, we already *do* live in that world, and I already *do* feel malnourished. I wish we could see technological developments that *change* that tendency, rather than push us further into it.
Great words! Well said!
Well said
Well said
I guess both can and will coexist. Why worry? Isn't this worry taking away your creative energy? Please save it, believe in what you do and let others do differently. Don't waste your energy, go, enjoy, let it flow. I believe we need art in all its shapes with no exception. ❤
If the work of AI were predictive, general and already known, no one would use them and they would never have achieved what they have achieved. This way of approaching artificial intelligence as a human-machine confrontation is out of touch with reality.
I'm all for using any tool that helps you with art block and aids you in your creative process. Obviously you don't copy 1:1 what the AI produces but what it makes can inspire you to work out a pose or make something interesting out of it by tweaking it. I use Dalle-2 to work out complex poses or specific complex landscapes I don't always find on the internet. It helps me a lot and gives me ideas. Ai will never replace an artist and it can be a good tool to help them.
Thank you!
As an art consumer I am very exited I can get the kind of unique art I want instantly without going though an expensive middleperson like an artist, I can also choose from many variations, and ai art is created so fast it fills my timeline with even more stimulating and amazing art
You are too optimistic, you seem to believe that this tool is in his final stage of development, instead you have to understand that it is in its pre-pre-pre infancy; the growth in its capacities will be exponential, way, way faster than i.e. the automotive industry. Cars, in their infancy, were absolutely primitive in respect to the science fiction like models cruising the streets at 350 km/h. These machines will learn and grow for themselves, they will design their next versions autonomously, in such a way that your customers will absolutely not need your work to have a useful product, they will ask the machine and the product will be shipped in an instant and virtually at no cost. You can read the message posted here above frome claimclam :"As an art consumer I am very exited I can get the kind of unique art I want instantly without going though an expensive middleperson like an artist, I can also choose from many variations, and ai art is created so fast it fills my timeline with even more stimulating and amazing art" and this is already true today, imagine in ten years.
@@ClaimClam if you prefer unpolished merged stolen art , suit yourself
@@ClaimClam the Artist is Not the middle person. If you want to print out your ai creations and stick them on the wall that is your choice as art is in the eye of the beholder and the consumer is a tightwad.
What about the ethics of it. If someone sent images of your own work and told the AI to make something in your style and it produces something very similar and that same person posts it as their own, wouldn’t you feel robbed in a way?
Sometimes people are accused of stealing or leaning to heavily on other peoples work and take the credit online, this is basically the same but way easier.
Yes it can come up with cool concepts but the whole ideia that it can be trained to produce artwork in anyones style as long it as the images is a bit scary and of course artistically unethical.
I think at that point, images that the AI would normally be used to learn would be copyrighted. I think we're nearing closer towards a good way to protect digital works without minting them or relying on public opinion.
Food for thought. Reason why big creators like "sam does art", with lots of copycats, don't go after people clearly using his brand and style as means of profiting is because they are not as good and not as efficient, it's no threat for him. Now, if a AI does it super fast and with rival quality, JUST BECAUSE it has his art in it's database, he has all the right to ask his art out of there and trained out of the database, maybe his key-word banned.
Human laws are based on human feelings rationalized, what's annoying can turn illegal if given enough support.
@@Kuating It would be a good advancement to be able to keyword ban certain things like your own work but also logistically I think it would almost be impossible to maintain. The amount of new artists and current artists online are immense.
@@zara4leafclover and digital art is ez. I want one.
Artists will suffer hunger because of this AI shit, and also designers, that's all we need to unterstand
What exactly is your role in the art then? I won't need you for long! Here's to hoping you don't outsource your creativity to a grave robbing machine.
The fears are valid and true - and those who don't see it are either in negation or misinformed. People comparing it to photography or digital tools are not understanding the problem.
It's more like collage.
the issue is, there are already people who abuse the tool. non-artists who are tricking clueless people in buying their ai generated art, posing it as their $60 week long illustration
@@Killerbaraka Social media is being inundated by AI generated imagery and It's way harder for artists to compete in such saturated market. Just that fact by itself, devalues human made artwork. There is a lot of video and articles using AI instead of having an artist or designer do the work. But most of the people misunderstanding the problem are hobbyist, people to earn their living this way, know.
@@BelindaShort I truly wish it was just that. It is not. This is the human element removed from image creation. There is a lot of examples of images by mid journey or dall-e far better than most humans create and done in seconds. Which doesn't really matters if you make art for arts sake, but if you are a professional.. well, I don't know.
@@BelindaShort if it stopped there sure, but if you're even online at all you know people are going the full 100 yards and submitting and selling their AI pieces while playing it off as not AI art.
This tool is a great advantage that will allow many to save many hours and effort, but the cost will be soulless repetitive works that will flood the market and will make the work of artists in general cheaper.
The wet dream of big corporations! 🤑
From what I've seen the output is no more soulless than the front page of art station. Currently so much of what's popular on art sites are 1000 different versions of the same orcs, elves, scantily clad waifu with a gun, etc. The only thing that separates them is technique. AI will basically make it so that ideas and concepts will be what stand out more than technique alone.
@@leedotson6323 Yeah you are right they all look the same.. after a while.
I personally believe that AI is cheapening the art process and respect for how much work and effort goes into creating artwork. Not to mention the many artists work it is using to aggregate the reference image.I have seen this same technology produce a image and then have that image referred to as artwork. To each their own... We have a hard enough time competing with all the commercial prints of masters who are dead, and now AI....art seems to be dying through these digital "advancements."
I feel conflicted about this issue too.
how I see it, its possible that it will clear out all those who didn't care for our art in the first place and not give us such low rates. it only works because it takes pre existing material. Iif anything, it'll show how 'just having ideas' is not enough to make commercial art and how difficult it is to make art and there is not 'easy' button
Maybe - but it is like it is and it's better to adapt and to use these tools to your advantage than trying to fight them ( because that won't happen and everyone who does it will be left out and just get bitter) so I rather see the positive sides of it and how I can improve my own artwork with it!
Jake Parker has a good post on insta about this topic. I agree with Lioba about using tools available to your advantage as an artist. However, I believe there will need to be some accountability or differentiantion from the engine and original handmade works. The people creating these pieces and will inevitably be calling them their own for profit will definitely exist the more advanced this gets. Lots of people like to make a quick buck doing the easy thing and as artists who have put a lot of time and effort into our craft it would be heartbreaking to see your hard work and effort used for those purposes. I think this might be making it easier on people to plagarise and sell other people's ideas, especially without restrictions.
Totally agree.
We had the same tool in art school back in the day, it was called getting your friend to draw it for you.
Wow, that hit the nail on the head.
i am that friend, although i suck at drawing, they have no idea because they dont have any idea what is good or bad lol.
Good thing we live in this day and age because I have no friends
@@kithalie Good thing in this day and age we have youtube videos that can teach you how to draw or paint virtually everything.
So the execution doesn't matter? The AI "did it for her" and her paint strokes didn't take skill, right?
"AI isn't the end-all-be-all for making art. Its lacking one element, that's you." Okay, this is where you lost a lot of AI enthusiasts cuz they frankly don't give a damn about that lol. They straight up are using AI programs fro the end-all-be-all in making art, with some tinkering at the final image. Doesn't matter you're one of the few artist out there using AI for less drastic things when the vast majority for it are using the programs to literally pass all the steps in making art. *sips Tea* Lets not act like its a foreign concept that people have been using this as actual art and selling it / winning awards while not actually revealing its AI art. It's literally running in a marathon but you got yourself a bike and win and you go "Well I picked out the bike myself and made some adjustments to it, so technically its not just a bike I bought" when at the end of the day, you literally just bought a bike to win a running marathon lol.
You know, this argument is very weak. A mathematician uses a computer to calculate large complex values. They also use visualization tool to see the numbers in a way that makes human sense. Only a fool would praise a human for wasting the time calculating all those values by hand. Ask yourself this, during the selling of and competitions did they say "Do not use A.I art" ? Probably not. If they are going to do that, then have the people show up in person. Otherwise let it go. You have to understand in a running competition people have to be physically there and they have to go through many checkpoints. So, seeing a person using a bike would be disqualified. That example is not 1 to 1.
The genie is out of the bottle. What would you have people do? Intentionally hobble themselves and not use the tools at their disposal so they can pass some arbitrary artist purity test? This is like outlawing photoshop because it gives digital artists an advantage over traditional painters.
@@RatusMax Horrible comparison, maths are based on logic, art is based on feelings. There's no point in common between the two. Are you really making art when more of 50% of your final work was done by an AI because you were unable to express anything coherent from the beginning? Painting something is not the same as making art. Paintings go through your eyes, art goes through your soul.
At the end of the day what people sell are paintings though not necessarily art, so yes this program is useful to paint and sell paintings, but not to make art.
@@highvoltage1842 When you make a breakthrough in your art, it was probably the same emotions exhibited by Pythagoras and his theorem.
@@RatusMax passion being the common fuel to achieve something doesn't make art and maths comparable.
the AI output will replace digital art jobs, though. I use it the same way you do, as a reference generator machine and then I turn it into a physical piece. But I'm also a digital commercial artist and the next versions of these tools already looming on the horizon will make a lot of stills illustration work, especially for editorial, books, online, stock etc. plummet in price. One artist who uses this process will be able to do X amount of more work in a much shorter time. Art for art's sake where people buy a physical piece and hang it somewhere isn't really affected the same until there are robots crafting those pieces in pretty much every home on earth like smartphones. I would like to suggest to take the concerns of digital artists more serious especially because these models are built on top of harvested data from public webspaces.
Never discount the human need for uniqueness. There is A.I. that can write software, solve mathematical problems, perform experiments. They will never have the idea. Your idea or anybody else's personal idea. Most people who were going to use the A.I. to create the art were never going to call you up for a job. They are not looking for a tailored made art. Just something to get by. If I went to a new town and left my car at home. I don't go buy a new car. I rent one out. Are car sellers angry I am renting a car?
@@RatusMax Here is where I agree with you: Most people creating images with AI wouldn't have been customers anyways, true, but that's only because the total amount of "image creators" will increase by several magnitudes as it has become so incredibly easy now. Literally anyone with access to these tools can instantly start creating images and do so ridiculously fast. In that larger total amount of people using this technology you still have the clients in there, though. And especially small budget clients who often provide smaller jobs for new artists starting out will now fall into the "no client anymore" category because what they need they can literally do themselves the best and the cheapest now. Bigger clients on the other hand will need less artists to meet the same goals. Will that lead to a rebound effect with much bigger goals that would also benefit artists as a whole again? Certainly possible but we will have to wait and see how that would play out. Regarding your claim about AIs not having the initial idea: Look up the DeepMind AlphaGo Zero and AlphaZero AIs that have been trained without human data. They played themselves only and beat the models trained on human data easily. These GO algorithms came up with new moves that for thousands of years no human has come up with. Now human players are learning entirely new techniques solely from studying what AI algorithms do on the GO-board. Regarding your car renting analogy: If most people only rented/shared cars and kept reducing the demand for new private cars that are owned by private individuals, yes, car sellers would be upset as they see their market share drop. There is an almost free "image rental" literally everywhere now. TikTok and many other apps implementing their own text-to-image generators already and I have StableDiffusion running on my high-end consumer graphics card at home. With cars it is much more a problem of the physical world where a transportation from A to B is solved and that is ruled by certain limitations whereas digital imagery, while obviously being computed and existing on physical hardware, unfolds most of its power, potential and usage in the virtual realm with a very different set of rules. Again, A rebound effect might create enough work for low prices to total in large enough absolute sums again for people to be earning enough but I remain skeptical for now. Also, this playing field can and will change any day and continue for a long time as it is in its infancy and development is terribly fast.
@@LarsRichterMedia AlphaGo is making new moves for humans to study. This means it gave us information that would not have otherwise been seen or thought of in the lifespan of a human. Giving us more time to create and think of something else. Midjourney is the same. Those starting artist simply need to accept that they will have to use midjourney to save them time and effort to create new works. It can also be used to speed up their learning process showing how to make more coherent art. They can examine why something is working. The most daunting thing is staring with a blank canvas. That can be thrown out the window now. The fact that now they need less artists on a specific project means they can make MORE PROJECTS overall!! You see doom and gloom I see an explosion of expression about to happen. This means that people will be able to make their own studios and create their own arts and stories. THEY WILL BECOME ENTREPENEURS!!
Money is NOT the most important resource in the world it's TIME!!! A.I. is used in science all the time to look at data and find patterns that no normal human could uncover. There will be many patterns found but only the human can decide what patterns are useful to it's own existence.
I don't know much about this P NP problem stuff. However, could you think of some person typing in different prompts for hours trying to get exactly what they want when they are 90% done? When an artist could just go in understand the person and add the 10%?
Will midjourney ever have emotions? Will it be able to smell the earth when the rain just starts to fall? Will it understand the feeling of seeing all of it's life work destroyed in a second?
No....
So never discount the ability for humans to want uniqueness. Something tailored to themselves exactly. Yes, there is a one size fit all suit you can buy at mens warehouse that looks passable. However, that tailor made suit always is better.
@@RatusMax you are confusing "doom&gloom" with critical thinking and skepticism. I even deliver a positive path of a rebound effect. "money is not the most important resource in the world" - in a capitalist system like ours, especially for the poor, yes, one can make an argument for why it is. Time maybe in the form of age discrimination because no one wants to hire someone older if there's plenty of young and competent folks. Exactly this desire for something totally unique tailored to yourself is what's potentially satisfied by AI. Literally media changing on the fly depending on your mood, tiredness, whether you've just gone through a breakup etc.. We might have fundamentally a bit of a different perspective on all of this but I would just finally argue that the progress we're seeing, that feels so magical, is a resounding endorsement of what I had said before: the name of the game at least seems to be data and computational power. And in general, although I guess we are still far away from it, perception of inner worlds like feelings, emotions, nostalgia etc. I don't see why it needs to be tied to organic matter. Nothing I worry right now about though anyways.
@@LarsRichterMedia "in a capitalist system like ours, especially for the poor, yes, one can make an argument for why it is."
"I guess we are still far away from it, perception of inner worlds like feelings, emotions, nostalgia etc. I don't see why it needs to be tied to organic matter."
A contradiction?
no creative at all, sorry, what is the value of a creative artist if a machine resolve his/her blockage? At the end you will create the habit that other entity resolve your lack of imagination becoming yourself a lazy artist
David Fincher uses CG blood in all his movies.
Oh, definitely, because there is 0 creativity involved between the reference image and the end painting 💀💀💀
Shut it. This comment was just a poorly disguised insult aimed directly at her.
@@digitalclown2008 Digital Clown... you deserved your name... 🤡🤡🤡
I’m a traditional artist too, but I’m really bad at proportions, I’ve been painting for 40 years, so have practices plenty and just get stuck very often and usually give up. I now use ai for reference as well! It’s a very useful tool. Great video. ❤️🇦🇺
AI to think for you, ahh the heights we have reached...
I don't really understand. She came up with the idea for the painting in the prompt. I think it's just saving her time. Let her visualize different ideas much quicker. You're not wasting time going down a blind path as much.
@@mycollegeshirt I do understand, because this way it doesn' t feel like she came up with the whole thing by herself, she didn't have to brainstorm. I guess it feels more like doing team work where one person proposes ideas and another executes them their way.
The AI might not be on the level of a highly skilled artist but it will be, and artists will be out of a job very soon. Why should people pay artists for comissions if the AI can do it for free and in 1/1000th of the time?
AI is going to be a massive problem, it's not just ''another tool''.
Will A.I be able to build the world in different perspectives? Understand the feel of the world it creates? Give it culture and traditions? No, it's just an image. You should be happy that there is a tool that will increase your skills the more you use it. So long as you didn't think that learning ended at 22, you should have no problem.
@@RatusMax yes
@@RatusMax A lot of artists create art. and get paid for art that doesn't really require a lot of storybuilding or original perspective. A lot of freelancers work commision based. And they will get a hard time considering how advanced AI is becoming. Who knows what it will be able to do in the future? It won't completely replace artists, that's kind of silly, but it will defenitely raise the bar a lot for getting into the field.
@@RatusMax Eventually it will get to that point though. There are already AIs that can write film scripts. Humans are rather predictable as well. Find enough patterns and an AI could create its own world in the future. You seem to assume it’s just going to stop here and that no one’s going to try to progress it even further. Where there’s money, there’s a way.
@@Window4503 No, I want it to progress. You fail to realize that people can make games. However the games can be panned by everyone as not fun. Just because you can make something doesn't mean it will be good.
For me, even if it's a helpful tool, I would never use it. The creation of art AI was pushed by people that see artists as an inconvenience and are openly anti-artist, like Elon Musk. It doesn't create anything new, it just feeds off (and even worse, profits off) the STOLEN art made by millions of artists.
I agree, that is why as an artist I am doing an eye and partial brain removal surgery so I will have no memory of any other artists work and I will not be able to steal the styles
@@ClaimClam Of course, because it's absolutely the saaaame thing. You can just look at paintings and remix it within 5 seconds in your mind and put off a result, no observation skills, understanding of the fundamentals or painting or motor skills are required.
@@quetevalgavergaaa and you can drive 100 miles in an hour with no understanding of math, physics, engineering, and auto maintenance
@@ClaimClam strawmaning hard
@@ClaimClam And another false equivalence lmao
but at the same time, i also wonder how is this gonna affect the creative part of the brain if it starts getting underutulized due to AI taking over that task.
I think so. It's as if we would say that Google image search is helping you to be more creative. This is somehow insulting the artist in me.
But doesn't it rather feed your imagination? Like you get a picture from the AI and spun it further, like how is the world of the picture the AI created, the beings in there. I mean creativity in general is fed by seeing things, be it real life things, art by others, stories we read etc. Looking at AI art is just a further source of inspiration.
@@kanrei The issue is that I can see that the inspiration comes from the a.i.. It's not as limitless as people make it out to be. It's like limiting your inspiration to a single source instead of keepin an open mind and being aware of art history. Is this not rather going to hurt your creative muscles? I think this is a double edges sword and I don't think relying on this is good at all.
@@christianconrad5200 It really depends on what you do with it. I mean if it is a start point, it won't hinder you to add your own knowledge, experience or using other resources as reference too.
From testing the AI, I sure felt too that it uses similar ideas sometimes, so agree on it isn't limitless.
Either way, I don't say just use AI and that be it. (But sure I see too, that people might use AI and maybe just improve the art they got. This sure would limit them. (Maybe, I mean people might in general maybe limit themselves to certain topics. (So here more wondering whether people might work in a narrow range in general.))
But yeah so far, I didn't do more than trying out prompts. So can't really judge whether I would limit myself and stick to the idea that AI provided or whether the idea would branch out a lot.
On the other hand I might have no really used art history either as tool to enhance my art.
In general I think it is good to get inspiration from different places.
@@kanrei I also tried a couple of promts, payed for a month of extra promts aswell. My point is that for a short time, it might spark a new trend with ideas that at this point seem unusual but I believe that will become dull very quickly. Beyond that, I don't see what it could teach anyone since it takes ITs ideas from existing art. I don't think it adds much at all and is way overhyped. In the end, it can make people lazy and those who put in the hard work will propably end up dropping it soon enough since they don't really benefit much from it. How creative can it be to use the same approach a milion other people use aswell?
I'm not sure I like the idea of using AI to compensate for a lack of inspiration. Making an original artwork is also about the hard work and effort you put into it in my opinion. When you're working this way you basically just accept that you're not creative enough or maybe even too lazy to do the work yourself. I do not think this is a great move for ANY artist. Creativity is not a 100% inside of you, it's also about the strive to keep on searching for it. I don't think this will benefit you on the long term, even though I understand the tendency to use it. I recently had a lot of fun with this prompt AI thing, but it wasn't the lasting pleasure I find in doing all of the work myself and looking back to the journey and lessons I've had and learned while doing it.
I agree but it could be useful for practice for example.
An artist that has problems coming up with ideas and finding references is like a blind bus driver. Shouldn't do it
Plenty have and do. They are not the same. You sound silly for saying that. Don't be a silly boy and be respectful.
Artists gatekeeping art.
Right, I get what you're saying about reference, but drafting and making a composition are literally a part of artistry. You're growing to a point where you don't need crutches anymore. This is actually limiting
It’s not limiting. It’s creative freedom. Now she’ll have more time to create tons of masterpieces. The art struggle life and only creating 5 paintings your entire life because you didn’t have such great resources is a thing of the past. That’s like me saying stop using cars or public transportation and use your legs because you’re limiting yourself and walking is a part of being a human being. She’s an artist and always will be. Work smarter not harder!
@@magnolia2 creative freedom from not painting your actual vision but that composed of a machine? Thats like doing a master study and calling it your own vision. Creative freedom is developing your craft through hard work and patience and being able to put your vision using a visual vocabulary and being able to compose that based on your own skill. If someone else or A.I. composes for you you can't take credit for the creative aspect of it but you rationalize it however you desire.
This is really inspiring. I love that you’re actually a skilled artist looking for inspiration and not just using a cheap trick to avoid doing art.
I would recommend anybody to at least play around with some of these tools, even if you are not interested in creating art. Watching videos on RUclips about them gives you the impression that they always spit out wonderful creative works of art that can be used as is, because the videos cherry pick the best results. But when you have played with them yourself, you realize what the limitations are pretty quickly, and you get a more nuanced and informed view of what they can actually be used for. This video shows very well that it is not a tool that renders human artists obsolete, and creating a good prompt is almost an artform in its own right. Not yet at least. Maybe in the not so distant future, the algorithms will be improved to a level where they can dial in on what you as for in a few steps, and can deliver a result that is ready for publication, but for the time being designers and artists still have work to do.
There aren’t many limitations, I think it’s the creators who are limited and form limited views of what’s possible because that’s all they know
I have tried midjourney and its so impressive in how easy it is to use that it is downright addictive. So yeah this will be the death of artists. At the very least digital ones.
How much does it cost to play around? I heard that it charges per image generated.
@@newbietubie I wrote a detailed reply, but it looks like RUclips's algorithm in its infinite wisdom decided to delete it. I guess you have to look up prices on your own. Some of the services give you a number of free generations before you have to pay. There are also a couple that are completely free. In any case it is not something that will tear a gaping hole in your household budget.
@@Baekstrom thank you very much. It seems that the service references in the video might offer a number of free image generations before charging. It requires the user to create a log-in. It's an amazing service that I might have anticipated being as accessible/easy as a Google search. Lol.
This AI stuff is just making me want to end my life, I seriously picked the wrong career.
I’m an artist and I find it inspires me. I’m sure you could learn to use it to enhance your creative repotorie if you try. Complete with it. See where your creativity really is, it’s beyond what it can do.
tbh u will get hit hard and anyone who thinks AI is a ''Tool'', cuz its goin to keep learning just like u, and eventually ur not gonna be needed, cuz AI will produce thousands of painting in a matter of secs while it gonna be more creative that humans trust me, just keep lying to yourself and think it's a tool, in the Future you are going to be the tool, SAD, Keep Supporting this and it will grow fast as Artists Die with it .
Nah. Won't happen. Stay mad about it tho it's funny to see
To all you who are panicking. There is only one way to see this. And that is to adapt to this new strange world we are going into. I don`t know the future, and neither do you. But the world has always been changeing, and there is nothing you can do about it.
" change" is the only constant in the universe. And art has always been changeing. Her positiv thinking and seeing the AI as a opportunity is the right way to go .
Just say that now we have cheap tricks for making images. And it's disgusting how people are even selling these images for money. With almost 0 effort of their own other than typing prompts. AI uses amalgamation of different artists works if you type their name in, which is technically stealing. So don't get me started with all the silver lining you're trying to talk about here.
@@swarnakanjilal4154 You could say the same about most artists also. That they are " inspired" by other artists . Maby Van Gogh invented his nervous style of painting, but most artists are not Van Gogh. That is they are using his style, ore they are " remixing" his style into they`re own. My point is that 99,9% of artists are not inventing anything at all. Andy Warhol made his own factory and had assitants do alot of his work for him, he mostly did the colouring. This " workshop" way of making art where also common way back in the Barock ( 1600s).
And the way of " seeing", that is the central perspectiv, laws of colouring, technics of shading, composing and so on where not invented by the common artist. That is they are just techniks ( Techne i greek). If a engineer are using a calculator to do the calculations nobody whould say that is lazy.
The AI is simply a tool that can help the artists visualise the art to help them do other creations. This means just that there is going to be created alot of new cool art. I think the artists need to start to use Crypto like NFT to " brand" the art so the autentisity is going to be verified.
The colectors of art want to by art that is autentic because this gives status and identity to them In the same way as food, the consumers want to by food that is created by a real human. And other times they just want something fast and cheap made from a machine. There is going to be room for both.
@@Ikaros23 probably you're not into art so you are not getting it. Being inspired doesn't mean ripping off the original image and copy each brushstroke, it is not possible. Which is what AI does. You may try to copy Leonardo the Vinci a work, but you'll only get so close. But AI will take stuff directly from the image.
@@swarnakanjilal4154 This discussion is over from the part when you no longer have valid argument`s and are instead trash talking me.
Reality is that the world and technology is evolving, the artist of the video is using it for something positiv and seeing opportunities to make new art. It`s you who are living in the past, and sound bitter. You and most others who lack the brains to see opportunity is going to bitch and complaint about change. But hell, people like you have been doing that since the wheel where invented
have a good day living in the past
If an algorithm is doing the creative work for you and you can’t come up with your own ideas then I think it is worth figuring out what stimulates you as opposed to relying on computers. This will not end well. The one thing as a civilization you would imagine would be the final shred of respect for ourselves as a species would be our art. Once you take away something sacred from the human experience like the perspective of an artist that is able to re-interpret the world in a meaningful way, once you take that specialness away what is left of us?
Hella dramatic. So much apocalyptic type wording from so many people
My greatest failure are backgrounds, and this is a great for coming up with ideas! Thank you for showing it!
That's my biggest issue too, especially when I want to create patterns.
Then work on it.
Me too, mixing a bunch of colors and fill up the canvas is eazy. But then you have to do the details.
@@BelindaShort dystopian mayans futuristic steampunk background 🥴
This is quite disappointing. I don't care to use AI for art. Why can't artists try creating their own references? Instead of purely living on Pinterest/google image search and now using AI, you can photograph yourself or a friend/family member in the pose you want to paint and use simple costumes, lighting and props to get the poses you need. Then you can use the internet and books for further accurate research as you need. AI lives off of the backs of stolen art and images from other artists. As well it uses an enormous amount of energy and is awful for the environment. AND it's trained by underpaid and overworked people in poorer countries. Generative AI is gross.
My art teacher does this. She generate images we can use for references. I think it is cool. Sad how people abuse it.
It's like we were given used palettes and asked to turn them into meaningful images.
hold on so you replaced the most creative and human part of the process with AI. And that doesn't depress you. Fucking hell...
Yeah! It kills creativity in the long run. The whole idea of being creative is that you can train this skill - the more you create the more creative your brain gets. If you stop coming up with ideas and omit it your brain gets lazy and it backfires over time. Scary stuff.
@@tatianakonovalova6086 yeah it eliminates problem solving for instant gratification and I think that will harm us in the long run
It’s decline of art if artist doesn’t use reality as tool for practice and creation. By reality I don’t mean photograph.
Any artist that supports this has already lost.
The creativity is the fun part! Why would we want a machine to do that for us? The end of fun and getting paid for art! The problem is not to use it but it kills the porpoise to become a great artist if later your art will get lost in a massive amount of generated art by the computer.
For me the creativity part is a headache, I don't like coming up with ideas, I like the act of drawing/painting them. One thing I love about doing client work for example is that you have to do specific things that they request. Not every artist has a creative mind, and not every artist enjoy the same aspects of art as you
I don't think that this is a right way to improve. the difficulty of assembling a painting finding inspiration in references is what makes your creativity work. the reference created by AI are already perfect they are created assembling all your ideas in a single image. cons are really more then pros for me
Per every artist using AIs for making references theres 25 losing their jobs in the art field permanently
you're literally just making numbers up
@@adamstephenson9011 Its called a figure of speech look it up
I've always dreamed of having enough money to buy original art. AI art is easily created but lacks the carved out richness of real materials like paint, pastel, charcoal... Whatever. In my opinion, AI will never take over unless they create machines that can actually use material to 'paint' images. But as a reference tool... AI is amazing! I can throw in a few words.... Landscape, blue, sunrise.... And get hundreds of different users AI created artwork. In the end I have to apply the paint and the colors and the shadows and textures the way I want them but finding the right reference is no longer time consuming.
Too many people are talking about the obvious downsides to A.I generated art such as human professional artists having their jobs stolen by the big bad evil robots or that A.I is restricting the creativity of the art making process by giving away the art without the need of much human creativity, but not enough people are highlighting the incredibly useful applications A.I has for artists. It's brilliant in generating references and by using it you aren't losing anything, only gaining. It can be used to quickly generate thumbnail "sketches" of your ideas. It absolutely sucks that it can eventually be taking jobs away, but that doesn't mean I won't use it and ignore its benefits. I see it as another tool used to help develop your own art.
Because those positives are kind of obvious and no one disagrees about them?
For those of you panicking about industry jobs... Listen we all knew whatever company we work for, they would love to replace us with a machine at a moment's notice. Artists are annoying for business-types to work with. Business types are hard for artists to work with. But, we have several advantages that they don't. Taste, originality, and passion. We can make this work in our favor! Here's my idea: we independent artists use AI to streamline our processes to make our dream projects. We get together with other artists and make amazing independent games, comics, films, shows, etc that make the corporate slop, (especially the AI gen stuff after they lay us all off), look like the garbo it is. We augment the skills we don't quite have with AI, up our production values closer to AAA titles and out-comptete them by giving people the meaningful art they deserve, instead of the widely appealing and dull works that come from the current nearly-monopolized entertainment industries.
Every artist I know has a big, pie-in-the-sky idea they hold onto, a story they want to tell if only they had the time to do all the tedious asset creation, learn a bunch of new skills, etc. My hope is that AI will help enough of us realize those visions that people develop a taste for independent art. With AI helping us, maybe we can make it fast enough to satiate the market AND keep our time investment low enough to be able to make it affordable for people.
Thinking, discovering, connecting and cleverly combining are the only things I pretty much would never outsource to an AI. What AI creates is essentially a randomized collage. As a creative I see more value in a human brain's effort, and as a customer too. Each to their own market I guess.
too bad AI is way better at those things you mentioned than 90% of artists right now...good luck trying to battle with that concept inside your head, better start now before it really catches you by surprise...
@@pedromiguel0007 No it isn’t.
@@pedromiguel0007 You don’t do art, do you? AI isn’t able to tell stories with images or imply action or meaning. It gives an image but it doesn’t give a narrative or a message.
I think AI technology will ultimately clarify what art really is and what it isn’t, and differentiate “real” art (as defined by a particular kind of human experience) as opposed to mere imagery. I see it as an opportunity for true art…
@1 1 Art is always moving and changing with human experience (I’m sure those art and philosophy books will tell you), and something as significant as AI is sure to change human experience, and therefore art, in ways that none of really understand yet. So I would suggest that what art will mean in the future has NOT yet been clarified. But that’s just my opinion. You are welcome to disagree.
I'm not a fan of the ai trend.. also legally the company that owns the ai also owns the art creating severe copyright issues. ( Let alone the copyright issues raised from sampling other artists art like you did with the city given the ai literally uses that to build.. it isn't inspired like you would like your klimpt inspired piece ) ( It's the same on all those phone apps people use. They don't read the terms and don't realise the app makers own whatever they do. Like all those profile pics) I'm a digital artist though learning watercolour. I don't use apps in my digital art. I go through nearly the same process as I do when painting traditionally.
What sort of artist considers coming up with ideas a problem?
Same question. It's my fav part!
Dalle E and other ai programs completely fixed my artblock, i used to struggling with ideas sometimes and just putting anything into an Ai and getting instant inspiration really helped me, i defintly reccomend using an AI if you have art block its great.
Better do some painting studies instead of typing words
@@swarnakanjilal4154It’s not just words, there is meaning behind the words that are typed in. People will enter very specific ideas they want from the AI. Not just “word1 word2”.
@@JewelKitschy There's a lot of people using AI to create art now, and some most definitely just type words. You can even see what prompts are being used to get some of the images like "cute girl, realistic, Loish style" . Also let's not forget that you can buy prompts now.
Very succinct grasp of the usefulness of AI image generation for natural media artists. Now, some systems allow training on the artist's own work, so the reference images might be closer to what that person would come to naturally.
As an artist I had the knee-jerk reaction of fear when I saw some of these AI renders. Now though I definitely feel more like you do here about the whole thing.
I thought about how nice it would be to use AI for pose refs and stuff. It's no different typing into an AI the stuff I type into Google looking desperately for a photo of a person with their hand or thigh in JUST the right angle. Ugh. I don't copy my references directly so I don't need photo realistic lifelike anatomically correct renders but just having the vague idea would be so helpful!
Also backgrounds for sure! I can come up with things well but can't always see them clear enough in my mind's eye since I'm most likely on the Aphantasia spectrum. Stuff like this would help me when my mind gets fuzzy and dim.
The only jobs I think stuff like this will truly kill are those god awful art styles that corporations use for their commercials and graphics. You all know what I'm talking about. 🤣 Let them use AI for their soulless drivel. We're creating REAL art over here!
I feel like for artists who do it as a hobby or for galleries, this is definitely super fun. But for artists who earn their money from doing commissions, the fear is justified.
@@junechevalier what sort of commissioned art could possibly be replaced by that AI program?
@@lpeterson2336 Concept art is one of them
@@lpeterson2336 all of them. Any crative Job can be automated. Just Look at what it can do with Design. A designer tried Ai for shoe designs and he said he got hundreds of good concepts in minutes which would have taken him days If Not months. This will put a lot people out of work.
@@CrniWuk probably in the US where cash is king and crass is queen.
AI makes me think that traditional art commission will boom again in places like fandoms ( furry, anime, comics etc) as people will want to have an actual thing in their hands again
Thank you for posting this. I am in the group of artists that feel threatened by AI, and their opinions are totally valid. But it is nice to hear someone talk about the benefits of AI, and I liked listening to your perspective on it. I think that an artist can get so much more work done with having access to references that help them make their idea a reality. I for one am someone who cannot produce drawings just from my imagination. I can see the idea in my head, but to translate it to paper I need to have a reference to look at to get the details, perspective and lighting correct. When I try to draw together an image with subpar reference it takes so long to the point I get frustrated and move on to something else. So AI is good for getting close to the reference you need, but you still need to put your own creative human perspective into the final piece.
AI is replicating what input it has been given by the creators. If I used other artists work for my digital art, which I definitely can, and get away with because it'll be so unrecognizable, would I be proud? No.
I know artists that plagiarized other concept artists work, getting jobs like that. Then a major backlash when someone put 2 and 2 together and posted that on social media, showing both images side by side and highlighting which parts are exact copies of each other. Insta career suicide.
Use AI as a tool to get inspiration, fine. Using it to show it off as your own art, not fine.
This technology really worries me, it might kill originality and makes an uneven playing field because smaller creatives won't have access to it
It's no different than you personally going through the internet and collecting stuff that inspired you or to be used as references for a piece and collaging them together yourself. You have to have an idea in mind to even start your journey and then your own skills are what brings the final piece to life.
And is this truly unobtainable for smaller artists? I haven't looked into any of these better ai to see if they have any paid access or not (only played with dalle mini) but I would assume if they don't have a pay access they will eventually. If you can pay to access it then it becomes no different than buying Clip Studio Paint, Photoshop or Procreate to do art in. Do folks who use those programs have unfair advantages over the ones who can't buy them?
Also originality is a myth. There's really no such thing as originality anymore. Everything references something regardless how small. You might think you have come up with a completely unique topic but with enough digging you'll surely find someone else with the same thought before you or even someone who had it at the same time as you but beat you to uploading.
stable diffusion is completely open source, and there are 100% free sites to run it on, or you can install it on your own pc if you have good enough specs. everyone already has access to it. it actually evens the playing field.
@@AlottaBoulchit There is a difference between collaging ideas yourselves and letting the AI do it. Besides, not everyone is a concept artist who actually works with collages. Many artists think up ideas without browsing the net, even though, of course, those ideas may be generated by the mind out of synthesizing previously seen things. This process is, however, part of the artistic work, and in my opinion the defining part of it, the fun part. Now you outsource the ideation to the AI and you become the Chinese sweatshop worker, creating a fixed version of what the Art Director, the AI, gave you.
@@vornamenachname594 I don't see any difference between a human vs an ai on that field. The ai can just do it faster which means in the hands of an artist they can get to work painting faster.
The fun of art is the process which includes but is not limited to the idea forming phase. The act of painting digitally or traditionally is part of that process and to me it's the most fun part. That's where the true creation is. That's why I am not scared of AI because it will never have that human touch of passion.
I think of it in the ways where I look at shit like the "corporate art" style. You know the ones you see in commercials or prints with the bizarre proportions and usually faceless shit that's void of any personality or passion. When you look at that vs anything created by an artist out of a passion you can see the difference. AI can create some really cool looking shit but it's all devoid of the human touch. Ai art might replace artists for jobs like the soulless corporate art gigs but it will never replace us and how we can create pieces that feel alive.
(Aside note - you might be able to make some fun meme reaction images with ai. I saw a "cleopatra looking at cellphone" ai creation and it's still cracking me up to this day)
I think the way Lioba showed the use of AI is a great example for why ai shouldn't be scary and we shouldn't try and stamp it out. She used it as a tool but she had the idea. She knew what she wanted and where to push it to expand it. She pushed it far enough then she took it aside and pushed it further with her own knowledge history and then she used her skills to take all that and put it into a true piece of art. She didn't just pop in a vague idea and then paint the 1st thing she saw.
Rambling aside I think it just all boils down to this: use ai as a tool not a crutch. Kind of like how artists make thumbnails to test their ideas before commitment.
@@AlottaBoulchit the AI cannot comprehend and the process of drawing is not the artistic part of drawing. Lioba has shown how the human artist has become obsolete and has finally been relegated to something like a Chinese sweatshop artist who fills the animation between the key frames. You may not be afraid and AI may not be scary to you, but this is all just coping (or you are one of those artists with aphantasia).
My day job is in software development and I've seen programmers come up with similar coping strategies now that corporate pushes low-code and code generators. Fortunately the human programmer is still better, but in some industries, like certain sectors of embedded development, we now have mostly CS-illiterate people cobbling together software that beats the work of some senior devs. What does that mean? That means that in the long run the skilled worker/craftsman/artisan will become obsolete, because you can create great things with little effort. However the process of becoming an artist is part of being an artist. The well over 10000 hours of work, the gruelling hours spent on your craft with little reward, is all a transformative process. One of the last such transformations from mere human to master that remains. It'll not be immediately noticeable to people, but an essential part of the human experience will be lost forever. People will lose interest in art, too - they'll notice "damn, I never truly cared that much for pretty pictures... there was more to it". Yet if the tool exists that alows you to create the work you seek to create by a few clicks and corrective stylus-strokes, then knowingly not using AI is also a sort of unauthentic coping strategy: a true artist would use tools. And since the artist would use tools, but the tool doesn't necessitate the artist, the artist will eventually cease to exist.
AI may not be the end of art, but it'll be the end of "The Artist".
If the majority of the AI users would use it for inspiration, there wouldn’t be any problems. The main issue will be just like with bland stock photos vs hiring a proper photographer: if the client can’t tell the difference in quality, why should they spend 2500 when 150€ (or less) will do the job? This being said, I personally perceive Stable Diffusion, MidJourney & Co as digital tools and utilities to generate new styles and ideas, and not a magic solution in order to work less.
These images have no humanity.
Lol
Missed the point, buddy...
@@Nyorane No they didn't miss the point. AI is not worth it for artists. Hearing an artist complain about how long it makes to take art seems like the artist is the one missing the point. I mean, coming up with an idea and a composition that supports your idea is why we make art. To express something. Getting a computer to do it for you replaces the purpose and challenge.
Only a few years ago, apart from clever random patterns and matchups, a machine could not replace the human task of depicting compositions with a consistent setting and figures from scratch.
Now that's not the case anymore.
I'm sorry but that is to much. You are so deep into that, that you can't even see how this is cheating and copying. Stealing a composition made by an AI and just tweaking one or two things is not creativity or beeing an artist. Is just following a reference and claim it "your creativity". No it's not. And if you think that AI is just dealing and answering your problems and lacking, then your not a Real artist anymore. This is purely lazyness. I was already shocked when i saw you just transfer your reference image onto your canva in previous video... Even drawing is to complicated now ? So now, you don't have to bring a composition back to life, you don't have to be able to draw correctly, you just have to find cute words to search for and copy painting.... Really disapointing. Nothing is really yours and really honest anymore.
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I think this is awesome. I personally haven’t noticed many artists lauding the applications of this unique tool and being so transparent about the process. Go you!💫
Thank you so much, Sarah! 🥰💕💕💕
I can understand why most profesionals aren't too hyped about it. For hobby artists this is a definitely a fantastic tool. It will undoubtly help them be more productive with whatever little free time they have available after they work on their main jobs. They have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Professional artists on the other hand, won't have this luxury. For many of their clients, the ridiculously low barrier of entry, the cost efficiency and rapidly increasing quality provided by an AI, will be enough for their commercial needs, and this will cost many artists their jobs (it is already happening as I type this). The very few that keep their jobs will be reduced to the role of a "glorified editor" as someone else mentioned in another comment.
Before the advent of AI, artists already had to struggle with competing in a saturated market, being overworked and underpaid, having their art stolen with near impunity, and having to deal with the stigma of being considered non-essential. While it is true that some professionals will use this tool to make works whose quality surpasses that of the AI (as shown by the talented lady who uploaded this video), and will be able to secure a niche in the industry, for the vast majority of clients and consumers the difference is negligible. They are already conditioned to view art as nothing more than a comodity. They are overstimulated, with short attention spans and no artistic literacy or sensibiiity whatsoever. Why would a company hire an artist, regardless of their skill, when they can simply use an AI whose quality matches the industry standard by virtue of being trained with loads of preexisting material that does?
I would advise anyone who aspires to be a 2D digital illustrator, to pursue a different career or at least integrate your digital art with an adjacent industry and become independent in it. It seems comic artists and animators are not in immediate danger for now due to the limitations of AI in regards to perspective and modelling, but I'm not optimistic about the extent and speed in which AI will catch up with their skillset.
I'm glad to be young still. Because if AI turns out to be the end of humanity, I will be there to see it.
At least you’ll be surrounded by pretty pictures in your dying moments.
Like MANY jobs you WILL BE REPLACED
Once AI & BOTS get to the 65% job coverage EVERYONE WILL BE ON UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME and NOONE will be able to Afford HUMAN ART and with patience going down lower why would a CUSTOMER want to wait?
Sorry but enjoy your reference ai while you can because within 5 to 7 years
Programmers & some engineers will be the ONLY people with a real income to buy anyones art
This 1000%
It is cool, and make u easy to paint without much thinking about the images we want to paint. However, for artists, I believe the pure imagination is better as it must be more fun to create through the challenges rather. I always impress with my friend that paint something and he studies a lot about the background, not only for the visual but the subject he painted as well. No doubt AI helps a lot, but if it become common, imagination become dull, we will master the technique and become technician artist. Sorry, im not degrading the artists who using AI, i think use it for certain reason and time its fine as it help. Imagine if the AI can be operated by a robot to paint, everyone can do art. The value is become less, why? Because its become common. As much gold is expensive because of rarity, the talent is.
Actually many artists says that this is scary😅
It really is...! but also amazing!😅😆
@@LiobaBrueckner 😆
Okay so I understand why AI software is upsetting people but handmade products are always considered of higher value. Traditional art is still a higher value than digital art. Eventually "Human hand" art will become something of extremely high value over "manufactured" art. I'm not saying things can't go tits up for real but that just how things have been with every other technological leap.
till robots can creat traditional paintings, like 3d prints
@@nendu4316 There's still the human made element that would make it more valuable. There's already mass produced dishes and pottery that are "hand painted" by machines, but they're sill nowhere near as valuable as the human painted versions.
AI art is guided by human minds, without the human intent the resulting image would not exist
@@silverblue73 Yes but there's a big difference between being able to actually create art and just articulating an image.
The thing that will not sit well with me is the fact that using this tool, after entering the prompts, one just has to wait and be fed options for the composition and colors, etc. Yes, you are able to choose and develop the images but at that point, is AI following you or are you following AI?
I grew up looking at pictures by Caravaggio
or the tretjakov galleries cataloge before going to sleep. There was so much feel in those pictures. Emotions. Modern Artists lack real emotions. When i look at the art i feel... nothing. They have skill, they have plenty of tools but there is nothing to feel. I can't tell AI art from modern artists because it feels so hollow and meaningles.
Once AI surpasses its creators, which it does with artists using it, it will only be rivaled by those that can display true meaning on the canvas.
That's a fair point.
Yes, this can indeed help you make pretty pictures, but my only problem with this is the process is getting boring. The thrill is just not there anymore, and somehow I feel like I do not own the artwork, maybe because it was'nt my idea in the first place. I see dark cloud ahead for artists, this tool is still a baby...wait until it matures.
EIn paar der Begriffe, die bei meinen Experimenten mit "V 3" echt tolle Ergebnisse gebracht haben (leider geht da teilweise bei "remaster" zum neuen "test" und "testp" etwas vom "Oompf" verloren, ist aber schwer von Prompt zu Prompt unterschiedlich):
Labradorite (ein wunderschönes irideszentes Mineral, wirkt Wunder)
Pyrite (kleine, goldene Nuggets)
granular, granular solver (verwandelt alles in krümeligen Sand)
urban photo (oft schwarzweiss oder entsättigt, teilweise mit interessantem colorgrading und generell sehr stilvommen perspektiven vor städtischer Kulisse)
bones inside (dinge werden transparent und offenbaren Knochen im inneren, sehr bizarr aber sehr schön)
ammonite (das schneckenartige Fossil, gerade in Kombination mit Materialien wie Labradorite ein absoluter Augenschmaus)
epic cinematic (tolles Farbgrading, interessante Perspektiven und vieeel DoF)
bubbletea (spritzige Flussigkeitseffekte, fast wie Fluidsimulationen aus dem Rechner)
foam (wirkt meist eher wie Sand aber noch etwas gröber, teilweise aber auch einfach wie der Begriff schon sagt - schaumig 😀)
victorian (super Ergänzung für alles Steampunkartige)
kitbashed model-kit greeble (unglaublich dichte, technische Details, wie die Oberfläche von Starwars-Raumschiffen oder das Innenleben komplizierter Maschinen oder dystopischer Metropolen, sehr "scifi")
funko toy (verwandelt jeden Charakter in ein Funkotoy, funktioniert recht zuverlässig und sieht je nach Charakter zum Schreien komisch aus :-D )
Wow, vielen Dank für deine Promt Tipps, das sind voll gute Ideen! Die werde ich ausprobieren!!! 😍
Que tontería decir que esto ayuda a ahorrar trabajo al artista en piezas complejas si lo bello de crear una pieza de arte es precisamente esa complejidad de crearlo, esta herramienta es para copiar, pegar y adaptar imágenes y principalmente descartar y pagar menos a lis dibujantes y pintores, bonita manera de volver más perezoso al cerebro humano, ahora resulta que cualquiera que copie arte y lo adapte ya se hará llamar artista
That's simultaneously amazing and creepy.
Im happy your an artist who looks at this AI and doesn't hate it and say it will take your job. Yes, AI can make finished pieces but its never as customized as you might want. Real artists are still needed to make even the AI works exactly what is looked for.
I will say though, im a graphic designer who commissioned artists on Fiverr to make what I wanted. I gave them tons of paragraphs, examples, textures, etc and none of them made what I saw in my head. The AI is alot like them, if you ask for X you get X as Y. Its what you asked for, but doesn't look how you want. Ai keeps cutting the figure off at the edges when I specify in multiple ways "full figure in frame, on canvas, etc" and it just goes "ok ill put 90 percent in frame and cut off part of the body. Well I can't easily match and add the part it left out =\ but a human could. I think AI generation is amazing for clients who want a thing but can't tell us with enough detail what they want. But if they can say "I want exactly this, but better" thats now easy to do. It saves artist time, clients time, makes both more money in the long run and takes lots of the pain points away from artists. Think if someone wanted this Egyptian god you made and came with a 90% done AI image and said "this is what i want, better" well now you have 90% of the layout done, your only adding 10% your own personal touches. Prior, a client might just give you a paragraph of text and hate 5-10 sketches you come up with. That part is now obsolete if they use AI. Saving you both time and sanity.
I totally get this. Sometimes I have images and visuals that appear in my head, but I can't find anything in real life that's exactly like it. AI allows me to bring an idea that exists purely in my mind into reality.
Some people have this misunderstanding that good art is more so about "technique" than "vision" or "imagination". These are the same people that feel threatened by a tool/machine that can do their job for them.
Absolutely fantastic! Thanks so much Lioba. I hate digital art BUT I love this use for traditional art as I can see it as a real useful tool in creating. Plus I'm guessing totally free to use without fear of copywrite or plagiarism. Thanks again! Subscribed!
You hate digital art, but want to use a machine to do the creative work for you. 🤣
I like your work. I have always taken photos to put a composition together. I want to learn how to do this process.
Thank you so much for becoming a Patron, Anne! ❤️
This is like saying McDonald's for Chefs... Stop being lazy and use your brain and create.
Creation comes from the human brain and heart.
A common trait of artists is that they care what people think. Keep up the good work!
as traditional artist who experienced being ridiculed by so called digital artists, seeing them seething kinda feel good
digital artists are still artists
just because your tools are on an electronic device does not mean you are not an artist
@@MidvightMirage Whats next? Just because your tool is AI does not mean you are not an artist?
Wow look at what amazing things you’ve come up with?? It’s really cool to see how you show off your soul and give us a real piece of YOU by sharing what you see in your minds eye!!!
Oh that’s not from a super special pet of your brain?
Blah. I think AI images as they are, are neat, but I think it’s a huge vomit and insult to the art community to replicate these… maybe if you VERY specifically tell sellers or viewers it’s copied from AI generation.. write on the back of your canvas for people when you’re dead too so they know what’s up.. then okay, but .. it’s… just.. not the same. Helpful? Yes, but using this tool is so non intimate and so unfairly pandering 🤮
If we didn't lived in capitalistic world, where you drawing not because you want to do it, but to make money to survive, then no one would've cared about AI, that's the only problem, mostly, if i had my own house with gardens, animals and so on, like, independent sources of water, food, electricy and so on, then i could just live peacefully, doing my things to live without any force and psyhological pressure and just doing what i want, because i want, not because i need or should do this, i guess most people of humankind can relate to my words, most of our problems and pain goes from capitalistic world. This is the only way i can live, but it's not possible so i am gonna die
Ok.
They say that they will replace us, I say that I will join the I.A to detonate my evolution and art.
Haha. All artists are somewhat afraid of becoming obsolete due to AI, but you make yourself obsolete out of your own volition. How are you anything but a fancy printer at this point?
There is so much fear about AI replacing Artists and people in general. Why chose to live in fear or limit yourself? I'm an Amatuer Artist at best, but if you could use AI either for inspiration or refining your own Art, I don't see what the problem is. Its almost like an Artist saying I don't like Photoshop because it uses all sorts of tools to improve my Art. It makes absolutely no sense...
Art is a definition created by man. Art is soul and AI doesn't have one. A beautiful picture can worth nothing and a scratch can not have a price. It will all depend of how much soul you put in your work. Don't copy what the AI did, inspire yourself in what the AI suggests like you inspire yourself in what God made.
I think an AI can't represent real human feelings like a human can do, until u just want to see an aesthetic pleasing picture. Our emotions are a beautiful complex and i think the best is not to be lazy and let a robot think for ur next project, but create your own, AI art is still random, you can never get what you actually wanted. It can affect your creativity , i would not suggest that. Not that Ai Art is a bad thing , Im impressed of how an artificial intelligence can also adapt skills like creating and it is very beautiful to look at , but for the artists to create all his works in there? Na like how can u live with urself knowing that u cant even use ur imagination which is unlimited and u let an AI do that job. Anyways everyone got their own prespective, thats mine.
but you're still conciously searching for the particular thing you had in your mind that you just couldn't recreate. I have Aphantasia and this has helped me sooo much to create things while i do not see anything in my head which sometimes makes it very difficult.
@@Kokose thats why u keep a sketchbook to keep things u imagine somewhere and then u can merge everything together. If u copy everything from the AI its unfair to call the work as your own, you better watermark it
@@Lizagregorii no man, aphantasia doesn't work that way, no sketchbook helps, no sketching helps, you just can't imagine things and this affects sketching too. ai is just a tool, nobody said you have to copy 1:1 from whatever AI generates, its no different from using reference images with poses and objects, except now you can generate exactly what you need
@@Kokose im a woman
@@Kokose I am sorry that you suffer from this condition. But think about this. There are people that cant Run. Right? So they can never enter a Race except you give them motorcykle. Suddenly they can. But would it be the same?
Its a tough and complex Situation. For you Ai Art is a blessing but I can See why a lot of people are really worried right now.
In a way this is the more practical version of something I used to do, which was often taking images, cutting them in Photoshop, pasting them together and having my own references. Now you can send the concept to the A.I. and create more refined references.
Exactly
Ai can be not only a powerful tool to improve brainstorming and concepting ideas, but also a ppwerful learning tool, as you can practice copying its output or even feeding your image to it and see what you can learn with what it spits back. The people that just prompt something and use the raw output are always going to have a lesser final product than the ones that use it in a transformative way or even just as reference and then do the final piece by hand.
This way you are challenged to try techniques and colors, compositions you wouldnt come up with from nowhere or even attempt, and thats a huge plus, super important for artists to improve
I have always been a line artist and afraid of trying to paint, cuz its so hard. But now after my initial AI depression went away, i feel more motivated than ever to learn to paint using it as a tool.
(Im just struggling with peoples reaction when i explain that :c)
@@SeaSerpentLeviWhat if you prompt the AI to produce an image with your idea, then use that image to paint it as a copy of what the AI came up with? So both images are exactly the same, but the only difference is the human artist actually painted it.
I'm going to write a book. 1984 style, protagonist waking up to find all human accomplishments are endlessly being rehashed by AI. Like a giant fractal, repeating for all eternity. He or she feels an emptiness inside and digs deep to find the inner workings of this fake reality he or she is living in. Anyone interested? :D
Ps. I'm going to start up my AI novel writing software right now, see you in a bit.
it will be great if you can show your studio and how you live your daily routine too...in all your videos. You are so pretty 😍 ....just look like a model from a Waterhouse painting.
I think I really need to take my head out of my a** when it comes to using AI for inspiration. A part of me thinks using it is like admitting defeat, admitting my imagination is just not good enough to come up with novel ideas, but another part of me understands what matters is actually painting something instead of wasting days trying to come up with something great. After all, is there that much difference when it comes to using photo reference?
I guess I'll just try it, see how it feels.
All you are doing is producing nice decoration - there was a time when people were doing cutouts gluing parts and pieces together - Monty Python used it in animated form as intro for their show - Collage - now that is a creative process - letting a machine do it? Why the machine couldn't care a less, the machine is not going to look at it, and it is not going to make any mental bend overs, as to what comes out in the end - it is not going to ring the bell when it accomplishes something worth looking at, unless naturally it is part of the program - you are the artist, you make the decision, you are the one making the final polish - it's a tool - I'm still waiting for the day someone paints a picture of the prince of light and doesn't make the mistake of giving him blue eyes and telling people that that is Jesus - I bet a machine wouldn't make that mistake!
You know it's wild to me that in the year 2022 we're still having the same fussy arguments between purists who believe that art should be painful/difficult and ultimately keep people from accessing it, versus actual artists who are like "Oh cool there's a new way for me to use a new tool to express my art, I'm going to use that." 100 years ago we were panicking over Dadaism, before that it was impressionism, and if you want to go all the way back into it you could pull back to Greek orators who felt that literacy would "destroy" spoken language.
Luddites do not belong in art, let alone do they need to be in control of it; if a person is so anxious about their own art being shown up by someone with the ability to use AI, perhaps they should focus inward first. LHOOQ did not take away the importance or beauty of The Mona Lisa, nor will AI take away the ability to create meaningful art.
THATS WHAT IM SAYING LIKE thank you someone else actually knows art history. This is a discussion that's been had too many times and if the people complaining ACTUALLY cared about art as much as they pretend they do, they would know that.
This i think is ok as long as its not using other artists work to generste imsges that look like their style or work and if you csn combine ideas from the various reference images to produce work that’s still in keeping with your own style and people still see your hand at work on your canvas is important too.
Can i copy your work?
100110100101010(yes but dont make it too obvious)
I aint gonna lie, it looks like AI has a better creative imagination then me 🤨
The end of art
It automates photo bashing which is awesome. Also, it combats the growing trend among novice artist who see using references as cheating by creating original references.
The only people afraid of AI aren't industry professionals or taking on higher end commission work.
The fact that you are showing the usefulness of this tool and you are a professional artist who does traditional medium (an art form people thought digital art would destroy) and they are still getting scared implies most of these fear mongering comments are from inexperienced juveniles.
You're work is amazing as always and thank you for trying to be the voice of reason among the cacophony of hysteria.
I think its very good that you are open about it, because there are allot of artists who claim that they came up with the copied AI images! But I have to say its sad to see the excitement of removing the thing that makes art human. Also lots of ethical and morale problems with AI generating images.
the only problem with these A.I image generators is that they don't understand the concept of anatomy, which is why when they generate photos of characters, they often come out looking deformed or unnatural.
Yes! I've been saying this from the start! Use the images for reference!
ai is garbage!
Omg 10:10! Okay I’m in and have already used up my demo requests. Great tool to explore inspiration. Thanks, Lioba. Love the resulting painting.
This just made my year
😍😍
One can always do the same thing the A I does, it's easy