Thanks for taking the time to put this comparison together, it's much appreciated. For my requirements, I will try the Cine4 option for now, and see if I notice a difference from SLOG2, without having the benefit of a side by side comparison.
I do not need, nor want, to shoot S-Log, just because everyone does it. I want to EXTRACT what is the BEST from my camera and footage and not complicate myself needlessly. If you would shoot on PRO-RES, that is a totally 'nother subject, of course. And of course, some will say: "Don't you see the LEFT color-graded video? It has so much more dynamic range.". YES. It does. But, also more noise... (which is not obvious on RUclips, but it issssss there:) Thanks!
SLOG2 definitely looks better and is more colour-accurate, in my experience. SLOG2 footage from the a6300 could be mistaken for footage from a cinema camera, whereas CINE4 footage just looks more like video.
There is no difference that I would consider to be anything like night and day. The only one is that Cine4 requires a lot less work in post. However, what I didn't get is why you did not put Cine2 against Slog2 because Cine2 is flatter than Cine 4 and has more dynamic range (which is the goal of Slog, too). Editing Slog2 heavily in terms of colour saturation while doing nearly nothing to Cine 4 is obviously going to give quite a big difference. What people are talking about in terms of skin colours is, in my opinion, not really so much about skin colours but about your colour profile and how you adjust the colour depth values. Talking about an A7R III on my side, the color profiles tend to be mostly on the red side or green side, you just have to work out their tendency and get them more neutral, then you can forget about this topic completely.
"lovers of a saturated picture" choose slog, but in Cine4 the color is much deeper, when saturation is peak in Slog2, although it is obvious that the object does not have such saturation in reality, then cine takes this into account and gives a little more potential in terms of saturation strength, Cine4 will definitely be more believable in the future and close to ideal, while in Slog2 the colors are already quite compressed
I usually raise the saturation by +10 when using slog 2. For me, this is much easier to grade and usually resolves the banding and color artifacts when dealing with 8-bit footage from the a6300.
Your test footage is quite pleasing to the eye)) And yes, slog2 is definetly better especially on skintones. This guy: ruclips.net/video/l9HY56_tvLw/видео.html also did a nice research on cine1-2-3-4 sony profiles with some fresh ideas and maybe he've found a way of getting as much as possible out of cine4 profile. But i think saturation in his profile should be set to higher values, maybe -7
Thanks for taking the time to put this comparison together, it's much appreciated. For my requirements, I will try the Cine4 option for now, and see if I notice a difference from SLOG2, without having the benefit of a side by side comparison.
I do not need, nor want, to shoot S-Log, just because everyone does it.
I want to EXTRACT what is the BEST from my camera and footage and
not complicate myself needlessly.
If you would shoot on PRO-RES, that is a totally 'nother subject, of course.
And of course, some will say: "Don't you see the LEFT color-graded video?
It has so much more dynamic range.".
YES. It does. But, also more noise...
(which is not obvious on RUclips, but it issssss there:)
Thanks!
Just expose properly and you should have basically no noise
thanks, very useful for me.
SLOG2 definitely looks better and is more colour-accurate, in my experience. SLOG2 footage from the a6300 could be mistaken for footage from a cinema camera, whereas CINE4 footage just looks more like video.
Agreed!
There is no difference that I would consider to be anything like night and day. The only one is that Cine4 requires a lot less work in post. However, what I didn't get is why you did not put Cine2 against Slog2 because Cine2 is flatter than Cine 4 and has more dynamic range (which is the goal of Slog, too). Editing Slog2 heavily in terms of colour saturation while doing nearly nothing to Cine 4 is obviously going to give quite a big difference.
What people are talking about in terms of skin colours is, in my opinion, not really so much about skin colours but about your colour profile and how you adjust the colour depth values. Talking about an A7R III on my side, the color profiles tend to be mostly on the red side or green side, you just have to work out their tendency and get them more neutral, then you can forget about this topic completely.
"lovers of a saturated picture" choose slog, but in Cine4 the color is much deeper, when saturation is peak in Slog2, although it is obvious that the object does not have such saturation in reality, then cine takes this into account and gives a little more potential in terms of saturation strength, Cine4 will definitely be more believable in the future and close to ideal, while in Slog2 the colors are already quite compressed
Thanks 😊
I usually raise the saturation by +10 when using slog 2. For me, this is much easier to grade and usually resolves the banding and color artifacts when dealing with 8-bit footage from the a6300.
Yup, you’ll definitely need to raise the saturation when using SLOG, in fact the footage is basically unusable without doing so!
just switch your default SGamut3 in SLog2 picture profile to SGamut3.Cine
Hi, thanks for your infos, really helpful, how do you deal with low light situations.
I would just use CINE4 in that case. Ideally a fast lens as well.
Your test footage is quite pleasing to the eye)) And yes, slog2 is definetly better especially on skintones.
This guy: ruclips.net/video/l9HY56_tvLw/видео.html also did a nice research on cine1-2-3-4 sony profiles with some fresh ideas and maybe he've found a way of getting as much as possible out of cine4 profile. But i think saturation in his profile should be set to higher values, maybe -7
CINE4 is pretty great, it’s not perfect but if you want something easy to go with that you can sort-of colour grade, I think it’s a decent option)