Nice project.! It was interesting to listen the results too! But there is one thing who asked me, it's about heat. Because the motor is inside the sealed box, small one at more,, it will accumulate heat and drive to an fatal issue. It's simple and easy to fix. You coudl resolve the problem in mouting the driver in inverse montage position, the motor in the 3th order section. The larger space and ports openings drive the heat out. Don't forget to inverse polarity for the same phase shift as before. Trust me, i'm a sound thecnician and speakers builder, clubs and domestic, and a large part in cars customisation.. all my life and now retirement. Have good time's
If or when you decide to try a different approach, I'd like to know what you think about a loaded horn enclosure. I've watched one with two 8" reach high SPL in competition.
Oh yah! Much love to sas bazooka down on Florida Blvd. Batonrouge l.a. Thanks for the triangle 10's I will do all 4⃣ in 4th order boxes for my bang ho durango work truck
I've been doing sound since the early 80's boxes/ woofer rebuilding/ electronics tech. ICS School of electronics grad. Worked for Still Waterkicker. Now I just fix alot of burned amps and re-cone speakers and instalation I want to be the first to usher in a new type of submoto that will knock the fillings out cha mouth! Believe 1 thing it's in the mix as of three weeks ago its called a piston driver hope to get it perfect So I can get a pat.
Im liking what I see. Cant wait to hear it. Im so sick of huge wall systems just burping for SPL & DBs. I much prefer SQ systems over SPL ONLY systems. Bass-heads dont have any clue what your doing. Look forward to your results.
Jacob that's a sick bix bro.. No disrespect but this box looks way better than the other box... Hopefully it's louder and have better numbers on it... Blessings 💯🙏🙏👼👼
I recommend building a transmission line Box You'll be amazed the full Frequency band with that you get out of it and how loud it gets without as much power to the sub It will outperform that Box no problem That 10 will be amazing in t line box
Was .80cuft sealed the recommended factory sealed airspace for the sub? Just curious how you figure out the ratios. Also what are the advantages of bigger ratios is it that they have a higher peak but less bandwidth? Do the factory sealed/ported reccomended specs come in to play or do you just make it what you want as far as the ratio. Thanks
I started with that, I can go from 1.1 to anything less depending if I mount invert or regular and add wood. Ratio is just sealed vs. ported cubes. Bigger ratios give a higher louder peak but less bandwidth. You don’t account them factory concept on 4ths no and go more towards concept of the box design and tuning/specs. Trial and error for bandpass tbh.
It’s a BIG Ratio, to get a louder peak freq bass/SPL score and allows to be way louder then ported and smaller ratios. I managed a 149db for a single 10 👍 and played musically 30-55hz
Can you do that with a sealed box?? Just curious. I got 4 skar svr 15s on 2 skar rp2000.1d amps wired to 1 ohm. Each set. I made a sealed box for them, sounds amazing but with sealed you don't get that wind. So was curious if could do this over my sealed box .
Yes you can and it'll help the lows for sure and wind if built right. :) Turns into a 4th order and all trial/error. Biggest the ported side the better.
Jacob I have been a fan of your videos for some time now and I'm very interested in your 4th order build upcoming input I recently built a 4th order for 2 15inch powerbass 3xl and I had some questions about my ratio and how I can improve my number .I want to send some pictures but I guess I cant
A lot don’t use one because the sealed section helps cone control but it’s recommended to not unload at frequencies below your tuning at a full power range.
Finally. The prior box S*cked. Some of us called for a bigger, badder, and better box. None of that 3M stuff please..... make it a pretty box. I still disagree with one 10 inch.
@@loudboy......You are one of those people. I did not know they were in the Bass Community. How you view it is from a personal view and speak on his behalf. Who cares what you think. My view is from a positive view.....he is savvy in his builds and he could do better. My approach was to support him. I'm sorry your shortcomings doesn't permit you to see things the way they actually are and said.
It’ll definitely be better bandwidth but maybe not as loud but more musical. I could easily do a big build like 4 15s no wall but chose to stick to the decision of 1 10 for a fun project. Tape is just something I do lol but doesn’t look good sadly.
Bass-heads are in awe & get quick self gratification seeing & hearing a huge wall of subwoofers, amps, batteries, alternators burping for highest SPL highest DBs. That's their preference. To each their own. SQ is where its at !!!
Jv I want to know I thought bigger box means bigger sound. Not exactly when the box is to big for the trunk. I have a 07 Pontiac g6 how should I do my box I have 2 American bass xfl 12's and 2000w hifonics brutus please help
Thay love that bass Vibration. Slip&slide? Gush starburst the jucie is loose. Is everyone in the club wet yet? Damn need I say any more? You know that bass you can't hear but you can fill. That's tha deal!
I don't agree at all with you saying you can't get the spl with a higher bandwidth s wuth a 6 order you could tune one port to say ,34hz while tuning the other port to 50 or higher and a 6-1 ratio 4th order with such a large opening and. A very short port your talking having a bandwidth almost non existent from 20-35 with it gradually rising about a DB per. 2-3hZ with a large peak starting at mid 50s--65-70 and flattening out all the way to about 85-90;hz I did. a. 4-1 with 2 directed comp x 15s walked off it was an extremely effecient box but I sacrificed alot of bottom end out put. Morning of nationals driving to event my sub amp blew so I had to run one of my mids n highs amps which. Where Phoenix Gold .Ms 2125's anyone who knows old-school amps knows how beautiful and clean these amps are. They were.never built to be a subwoofer amp they are class a/b amps and the Ms 2125 was rated at just that 2x 125 @4ohms and about 200 -225 x2. @ 2 ohms stereo I couldn't bridge it since My subs were. D4s each and no way would that amp take a 1 oHM. Load so I has to change classes down to. 301-500 pro class I believe that. Was the wattage class technically I should have been in lower watt class but you had to provide original Paperwork showing original factory specs for watts axk in those days for that Organization that starts with a M and rhymes with Becca but I still managed 152.8. NO that wasn't sealed on dash they put the mic down in kick and after that almost anything else was fair game open doors Windows up or down or any combination.of those I did doors closed with window opposite of mic about half way down. I. Ended up getting 2nd place at world nationals in proclass in that wattage bracket which I think was 301-500 from what I can remember meanwhile plaque is 15' from me.but I'm half asleep in bed n plaque is hangin on the wall about 15' From bed almost halfway to the Other end of my bedroom. if I'm not correct About the wattage class I Will either. Edit. This comment of post new.one.
i'll assume the small sealed box is due to the cone loving to move lol. with room to spare why did you not put the magnet towards the ported box? makes it easier to smell the coil. also what is the box tuned to? last question lol, why no demo??? excited to hear it. bro btw ur box is as big my box for 2 american bass hd 12's lol holy shit
my 4ths is 2.08 cu ft sealed and 5.2 ported @ 42 hz.. also i have a question.. do you understand diff box rise for diff freq? all in all my box is 2.114 times box rise from 20 to 60 hz in 5 hz increments. but the wattage variance is insane tho not too audible (was testing in house with 100w plate amp.) example: 55 hz 36w @ 12v 3 amps 4 ohms final box rise (including subs load) (wired to 1 ohm) but 50 hz is 8.9w @ 4.7v 1.9 amp 2.47 final box rise. any insight? i know it's specific as hell but if u got anything lmk
Demo will come soon ;) and I just like the subwoofer mounted regular for the extra cone pressure over inverted. Yea it’s big for one 10 lol. Over 10 cubes Gross.
@@JacobViral2 so it's not uncommon for wattage to take large drops but not loudness? went from 140 w max to 8w min over 9 measuring points avg of 53w.. sorry to bug i'm just trying to interpret lol
these boxes tend to be sub killers... makes it hard to hear sub crying for help.... these boxes are not at all for sound quality ..... did not here what the box is tuned to... but at 1/2 ohm ... sound quality gets worse the lower you go... ported is 3 db louder then sealed... and much safer then 4th orders and above... but good experiment.... way to much work for single 10 inch sub... reminds me of BOSE most volume out of the smallest driver possible... and horrible sound quality
Thats alot going on for one 10inch sub and looks like a apartment under construction inside. All it needs now is some tile, carpet, paint, bathroom, drapes and some furniture.
Quantity of subwoofers, amps, wall systems, & size doesn't equal quality. Jacob is aiming for SOUND QUALITY & ability to adjust his enclosure for the genre of music he is listening to. Bandpass, tranmission line, 4th order, 6th order enclosures are more difficult to design, tune, & execute but are more efficient & sound quality is phenomenal using less subwoofers, less wattage. Ear buds > headphones.
Wait bro I watch your vid and like most but as a bass guy you shouldn't be okay with that thing you just called a box i was watching this like when is he going to say this is a joke bro please build a real 4th order if thats the way your going that is what looks like a crappy box inside of another im just saying
That’s really nice how you built it in such a way that you can adjust the sealed incloser without tearing your box apart
Dang thats huge. 20 yrs ago i had 2-15" kickers in a 4th order in my car. 1:1 ratio 1.5 sealed 1.5 ported. Had great bandwidth.
You dont have to build an enclosure for 4th order . Just roll your window down and BAM , 4th order . lol
Nice project.! It was interesting to listen the results too!
But there is one thing who asked me, it's about heat. Because the motor is inside the sealed box, small one at more,, it will accumulate heat and drive to an fatal issue.
It's simple and easy to fix.
You coudl resolve the problem in mouting the driver in inverse montage position, the motor in the 3th order section. The larger space and ports openings drive the heat out.
Don't forget to inverse polarity for the same phase shift as before.
Trust me, i'm a sound thecnician and speakers builder, clubs and domestic, and a large part in cars customisation.. all my life and now retirement.
Have good time's
Looks thrown together
Got the job done and metered a 149db on glass
@@JacobViral2 I didnt see that video.
If or when you decide to try a different approach, I'd like to know what you think about a loaded horn enclosure.
I've watched one with two 8" reach high SPL in competition.
Excellent videos . Very helpful as well.
Oh yah! Much love to sas bazooka down on Florida Blvd. Batonrouge l.a. Thanks for the triangle 10's I will do all 4⃣ in 4th order boxes for my bang ho durango work truck
I've been doing sound since the early 80's boxes/ woofer rebuilding/ electronics tech. ICS School of electronics grad. Worked for Still Waterkicker. Now I just fix alot of burned amps and re-cone speakers and instalation I want to be the first to usher in a new type of submoto that will knock the fillings out cha mouth! Believe 1 thing it's in the mix as of three weeks ago its called a piston driver hope to get it perfect So I can get a pat.
You're should do FoldHorns sounds betters and louder then you're 4th orders ahhhh
Im liking what I see. Cant wait to hear it. Im so sick of huge wall systems just burping for SPL & DBs.
I much prefer SQ systems over SPL ONLY systems. Bass-heads dont
have any clue what your doing.
Look forward to your results.
Actually because of the ratio of this guys box, it’s more of a SPL box. He even says it’s an 8:1 ratio with a super high peak
You bass nerds crack me up! Lol I wish y'all had grown up in the early 90s to realize the real reason we had systems in our rides.
🤣🤣🤣
The entire picture.lol
Coming straight from the underground
@@marcocervantes8751 Pussssyyyyyyy
@@foreclosureofadreamurbex5420 be kind to others.
Jacob that's a sick bix bro.. No disrespect but this box looks way better than the other box... Hopefully it's louder and have better numbers on it... Blessings 💯🙏🙏👼👼
@Elijah Dossett fo'sho
Me to and thanks!
@@JacobViral2 np
Love that clean 4th order wood look 👌
I recommend building a transmission line Box You'll be amazed the full Frequency band with that you get out of it and how loud it gets without as much power to the sub It will outperform that Box no problem That 10 will be amazing in t line box
Or a 4th order out of a transmission line and a sealed box 🤷🏼♂️🤣
Thanks for suggesting this video. I understand 4th order now. If you couldn't tell I'm a little new to car audio. So thanks again.
Welcome and thanks for subscribing Lee!
Cool 4th order Jacob thx for sharing.
the bandwidth of a 4th order with dumb ratio is like a 2 hz box
How does the ratio work how does it effect it
Awh shit I called it ....cant wait for this one
Nicely well done well built box very clean impressive build. Keep up the good work making killer basshead RUclips videos Jacob
Dnt they usually use the back or magnet side for the ported side? And seal the front cone? Is there really a difference?
Keeps motor/coil cooler but less cone pressure and smaller ratio.
Was .80cuft sealed the recommended factory sealed airspace for the sub? Just curious how you figure out the ratios.
Also what are the advantages of bigger ratios is it that they have a higher peak but less bandwidth?
Do the factory sealed/ported reccomended specs come in to play or do you just make it what you want as far as the ratio.
Thanks
I started with that, I can go from 1.1 to anything less depending if I mount invert or regular and add wood. Ratio is just sealed vs. ported cubes. Bigger ratios give a higher louder peak but less bandwidth. You don’t account them factory concept on 4ths no and go more towards concept of the box design and tuning/specs. Trial and error for bandpass tbh.
Well that escalated quickly jake lol xx
Yep lol my constrain is single 10” build for fun project ;)
What kind of box would you recommend for 1 12 " hyphonic atlas sqaure subwoofer
4th order like this but not as big a box
Can't wait to hear it.
😮
I love it that lookes nice. I bet it will hit. You should change it to 1 12" 3 inch coil sub or not.
Ryan Bass For Life he says he just wants a single 10 because not a lot of people do single 10 builds he won’t ever go to any other size
@@bassbrother101 I see guess he wants to have the loudest single 10" around.
Ryan Bass For Life yeah that would be dope tho
@Elijah Dossett 10 hit punch notes we will just have to see how it does in this new better box📦
Elijah Dossett same here I think 10s sound the best
So how does that even work? I thout rule of thumb was 1 foot sealed to up to 3 ft ported or 2 feet sealed for every 2- 4- or 6 feet ported?
It’s a BIG Ratio, to get a louder peak freq bass/SPL score and allows to be way louder then ported and smaller ratios. I managed a 149db for a single 10 👍 and played musically 30-55hz
Nicely built box
Thanks!
Excited
Prodigious. Interested to see the new numbers man
I would love that box for my single zvx 18
Box building is my weakness.. How do you know what ratio to choose..
That Car Kidd 2:1 to 2.5:1 is probably the best for music
Musical 4ths are best between 2 and 2.5 to amp ratio and SPL/peakier for 3 and up. Extreme ratios would start at over 5 to 1.
I'm happy to see a 4th. I'm debating on building my first 4th.
Keep up my guy do what u gotta do
OR,, a Transmission Line?
Do you have plans on how to build the transporter box
No just scrap paper and 12volt box Calculator used
Nice bro can’t wait to hear it 😎
THAT IS SWEET GREAT JOB!!!!!!!
Thank you!
Can you do that with a sealed box?? Just curious. I got 4 skar svr 15s on 2 skar rp2000.1d amps wired to 1 ohm. Each set. I made a sealed box for them, sounds amazing but with sealed you don't get that wind. So was curious if could do this over my sealed box .
Shit never-ending should've watched whole video
Yes you can and it'll help the lows for sure and wind if built right. :) Turns into a 4th order and all trial/error. Biggest the ported side the better.
Is it possible to do that in a compact car, like a Buick verano?
Yea but may have to built into the car.
I am going to try
What’s so good about 4th order
Bandwidth and can be louder plus better sub cone control.
That's awesome
Go for 1cbft after displacement you should gain in the meter .8 is a bit small
Do you have plans on how to build
No I don’t design with software just simply use my max dimensions and a box calculator, works great 👍
THATS LIKE 4 18S PORTED BOX 😱😂👍💪
Came a long way man
Yessir
What are the benefits of a 4th order box compared to a potted box ?
Better bandwidth and cone control. Also gets louder.
Efficiency & sound quality.
Whats the tuner on ported size???
This was tuned around 45-47hz
Jacob I have been a fan of your videos for some time now and I'm very interested in your 4th order build upcoming input I recently built a 4th order for 2 15inch powerbass 3xl and I had some questions about my ratio and how I can improve my number .I want to send some pictures but I guess I cant
Message me on Facebook or Instagram “Jacob Viral” ;)
Hey question i have a 4th order just built do i still need a subsonic filter?
A lot don’t use one because the sealed section helps cone control but it’s recommended to not unload at frequencies below your tuning at a full power range.
@@JacobViral2 Copy ok thanks bro
Finally. The prior box S*cked. Some of us called for a bigger, badder, and better box. None of that 3M stuff please..... make it a pretty box. I still disagree with one 10 inch.
who cares what u want its not ur money or ur build
@@loudboy......You are one of those people. I did not know they were in the Bass Community. How you view it is from a personal view and speak on his behalf. Who cares what you think. My view is from a positive view.....he is savvy in his builds and he could do better. My approach was to support him. I'm sorry your shortcomings doesn't permit you to see things the way they actually are and said.
25Hz to Life 💯 🗣
It’ll definitely be better bandwidth but maybe not as loud but more musical. I could easily do a big build like 4 15s no wall but chose to stick to the decision of 1 10 for a fun project. Tape is just something I do lol but doesn’t look good sadly.
Bass-heads are in awe & get quick self gratification seeing & hearing a huge wall of subwoofers, amps, batteries, alternators burping for highest SPL highest DBs.
That's their preference.
To each their own.
SQ is where its at !!!
Test it , wanna see how much air it puts out
Swap the deck screws for threaded inserts and machine screws.
Thread inserts installed with wood glue or epoxy.
Jv I want to know I thought bigger box means bigger sound. Not exactly when the box is to big for the trunk. I have a 07 Pontiac g6 how should I do my box I have 2 American bass xfl 12's and 2000w hifonics brutus please help
OFFICIAL MR CTP & MarcobandZ 5 cubes ported, 60 inches of port area tuned to 34
@@jeremys8360 thx brp
Depends on the power and tuning and goals. What he suggested is a good start. Also always use recommended manufacturing suggestions.
Jacob Viral2 thanks bro will the a video of it asap
fck yea!!!!!!
Thay love that bass Vibration. Slip&slide? Gush starburst the jucie is loose. Is everyone in the club wet yet? Damn need I say any more? You know that bass you can't hear but you can fill. That's tha deal!
Reminds me of the "house wrecker" by decaware audio
This is what I was waiting for yeah 🔊🔊🔊🔊🔊
Decaware death box. ( tuneable bandpass)
Nice😎👌
What kind of wood are u using
3/4” Birch wood
👍
I don't agree at all with you saying you can't get the spl with a higher bandwidth s wuth a 6 order you could tune one port to say ,34hz while tuning the other port to 50 or higher and a 6-1 ratio 4th order with such a large opening and. A very short port your talking having a bandwidth almost non existent from 20-35 with it gradually rising about a DB per. 2-3hZ with a large peak starting at mid 50s--65-70 and flattening out all the way to about 85-90;hz I did. a. 4-1 with 2 directed comp x 15s walked off it was an extremely effecient box but I sacrificed alot of bottom end out put. Morning of nationals driving to event my sub amp blew so I had to run one of my mids n highs amps which. Where Phoenix Gold .Ms 2125's anyone who knows old-school amps knows how beautiful and clean these amps are. They were.never built to be a subwoofer amp they are class a/b amps and the Ms 2125 was rated at just that 2x 125 @4ohms and about 200 -225 x2. @ 2 ohms stereo I couldn't bridge it since My subs were. D4s each and no way would that amp take a 1 oHM. Load so I has to change classes down to. 301-500 pro class I believe that. Was the wattage class technically I should have been in lower watt class but you had to provide original Paperwork showing original factory specs for watts axk in those days for that Organization that starts with a M and rhymes with Becca but I still managed 152.8. NO that wasn't sealed on dash they put the mic down in kick and after that almost anything else was fair game open doors Windows up or down or any combination.of those I did doors closed with window opposite of mic about half way down. I. Ended up getting 2nd place at world nationals in proclass in that wattage bracket which I think was 301-500 from what I can remember meanwhile plaque is 15' from me.but I'm half asleep in bed n plaque is hangin on the wall about 15' From bed almost halfway to the Other end of my bedroom. if I'm not correct About the wattage class I Will either. Edit. This comment of post new.one.
NICE BRO!!!
pd bb1 class wr box was 6th order. 33l/200 ratio.
why u say u can gain more on 4th order
What meter do you used?
SSA Meter
@@JacobViral2 but what app on phone
Dink Woodham SSA Studio but requires the meter
@@JacobViral2 I got the spl meter didnt knw if there was a difference I got the one goes on windshield and you can see the db number
What 3m tape do you use? What is it called?
3M HVAC flexible Foil Tape 2.5”
Jacob Viral2 ok, thanks
i'll assume the small sealed box is due to the cone loving to move lol. with room to spare why did you not put the magnet towards the ported box? makes it easier to smell the coil. also what is the box tuned to? last question lol, why no demo??? excited to hear it. bro btw ur box is as big my box for 2 american bass hd 12's lol holy shit
my 4ths is 2.08 cu ft sealed and 5.2 ported @ 42 hz.. also i have a question.. do you understand diff box rise for diff freq? all in all my box is 2.114 times box rise from 20 to 60 hz in 5 hz increments. but the wattage variance is insane tho not too audible (was testing in house with 100w plate amp.) example: 55 hz 36w @ 12v 3 amps 4 ohms final box rise (including subs load) (wired to 1 ohm) but 50 hz is 8.9w @ 4.7v 1.9 amp 2.47 final box rise. any insight? i know it's specific as hell but if u got anything lmk
Demo will come soon ;) and I just like the subwoofer mounted regular for the extra cone pressure over inverted. Yea it’s big for one 10 lol. Over 10 cubes Gross.
Every hZ note is always going to give you that variability but it’s good you know it for your own system.
@@JacobViral2 so it's not uncommon for wattage to take large drops but not loudness? went from 140 w max to 8w min over 9 measuring points avg of 53w.. sorry to bug i'm just trying to interpret lol
Freq watts volts amps final ohm box rise
20 142 15.5 9.2 1.68 .68
25 142 16 8.9 1.798 .798
30 68 12.3 5.6 2.196 1.196
35 39 10.7 3.7 2.892 1.892
40 10 7 1.5 4.66 3.66
45 14 5.4 2.6 2.077 1.077
50 8.9 4.7 1.9 2.47 1.47
55 36 12 3 4 3
60 26 13 2 6.5 5.5
In a 2010 Kia forte
Demo video coming soon?? 🤔👍🏾
Yes soon ;)
Round over the edges and bracing
Roundovers on the inside the box matters?
@@JacobViral2 yes sir. Anywhere air is moving. Internal bracing and all. I can always hear a difference plus it adds a small amount of efficiency
Why not 3:1?
Had the space so went bigger ;) keeping it single 10” for fun project to.
these boxes tend to be sub killers... makes it hard to hear sub crying for help.... these boxes are not at all for sound quality ..... did not here what the box is tuned to... but at 1/2 ohm ... sound quality gets worse the lower you go... ported is 3 db louder then sealed... and much safer then 4th orders and above... but good experiment.... way to much work for single 10 inch sub... reminds me of BOSE most volume out of the smallest driver possible... and horrible sound quality
Thats alot going on for one 10inch sub and looks like a apartment under construction inside. All it needs now is some tile, carpet, paint, bathroom, drapes and some furniture.
that ratio tho
Første👌🏼
Your kidding you are gonna lose all that space for a ten inch sub ? What the hell
Just a project system with a single 10” not worried about space.
Quantity of subwoofers, amps, wall systems, & size doesn't equal quality.
Jacob is aiming for SOUND QUALITY & ability to adjust his enclosure for the genre of music he
is listening to. Bandpass, tranmission line, 4th order, 6th order
enclosures are more difficult to design, tune, & execute but are more
efficient & sound quality is phenomenal using less subwoofers,
less wattage. Ear buds > headphones.
Wait bro I watch your vid and like most but as a bass guy you shouldn't be okay with that thing you just called a box i was watching this like when is he going to say this is a joke bro please build a real 4th order if thats the way your going that is what looks like a crappy box inside of another im just saying