@@donnysabel23 he’s super nice. You know how we loved watching Arthur turn into the Joker and made his movie a billion dollars? Well he decided to mock us for it and made the sequel meta where we the audience are Harley, the real villains for liking Joker. How dare we like Joker in a movie called Joker! So he made this as a middle finger to us. If only we were as smart as him
The underlying message to both movies is similar, but the second one is more clear in telling it while, oddly, also more nuanced and disturbing, surreal and tragic, stylistically wild and also more complex in terms of narration. It's a great coda / epilogue to Joker.
I really hope Joaquin Phoenix does more interviews on the press tour for this sequel. We don't care if he dropped out of some movie, we all still love him and we're always eager to hear what he has to say. ✌️♥️
Just instead of 20k songs in the movie they should’ve explored Harley Quinn backstory then this movie would be a masterpiece cause it’s have a potential to be the greatest movie of all time
Because people are fickle don't like change ignorant and arrogant. They just want the same thing over and over even though they won't admit it. BTW I didn't like the first Joker movie.
As a blockbuster director? For sure. He will still get jobs for indie-filmmaking, which is what he did with Joker 2. It is a good film, it's just the exact opposite of what everybody expected.
Joaquin seems so much more open to answering questions and being part of the process of promotion. I do like that in the past he was a bit brooding and not cool with questions that were repetitive and similar in nature. Very excited for this film in the theatres!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
@@brianwagner5008 I used to like Joaquin until I heard he dreamed up this disgusting film. Apparently he dreams about people with mental illnesses getting tortured, used, BRUTALLY GANG RAPED, rejected and stabbed to death. Also he sucks at singing. I don’t want to watch him in anything now, it’ll just make me think of that disgusting rape scene
1) It was Joaquin Phoenix’s idea to make a sequel. He said he had a dream of Joker singing and dancing. 2) This movie is not a traditional DC sequel like Aquaman 2, Shazam 2, or Wonder Woman 2. So Joker 2 was completely Phillips and Phoenix’s vision for the character of Arthur.
They specifically referred to the first one as a one-off, even far into when the success had been already known. So that’s some retconning there. But overall, I bet the discussion will be a lot different in a decade or two.
Unfortunately, people are not smart enough to realize that this movie is brilliant. Lee, is a villain which I didn't mind. Lee is us, if you think about it. We want Joker and when we don't get what we want we bash him for not playing the role we want him too. I think most of us at some point in our lives/life acted like Lee and all the joker sycophants. It's an excellent film yea... I still preferred the first. But I felt the second had even more depth of character. I hated the guards and I was hoping arthur or one of the other inmates would have killed one of the guards for revenge for all the abuse they took.. specially arthur, that made me mad, arthur was like a wimp and didn't care,but i get it, he was so far gone by time this film took place. Like with the rape scene I was hoping arthur, as joker would have snapped and killed Jackie.. I hated him. Did you all noticed arthur's next door inmate the fat short bloke with the glasses,he looked like penguin. You see him a few times. Anyway I liked joker 2, I know I'm part of a small percentage of stupid people who liked it but whatever...I don't care. Joaquin is my favourite actor and he was brilliant as always..Hildur's music was sexy, she's brilliant, cinematography was breathtaking 👍🏻💯 I saw it twice and about to watch it on this streaming called "mannic" it free, good copy, I saw a piece of it. Dont understand what all the hate is for. Guess people just follow the opinion of what they're told to have.
We need a third joker.. Called "Fully redo" Arthur wakes up in the hospital, stabbed before his trial by a fellow patient. And he hallucinated all of the second movie. Harley is his psychiatrist, whom he's in love with. And out of fear of losing her, he goes full-blown joker and corrupts her into loving him.
Arthur is not that kind of person at all. Have you even watched the first movie? How can you people, after watching the first movie, misunderstand the character so much? No, Arthur could never be the "full-blown Joker". Movie points out that none of you cared if Arthur will lose himself completely and become a monster only for you have some fun spectacle of him being Joker
@lepersonnage371 The movie is called Joker.. not anti joker.. DC joker. He has a HARLEY.. the original joker was a lame and pathetic comedian. Don't talk to me about DC lore. The movie bombed in the box office for a reason. And there could be a real solution if REAL DC fans were giving what they wanted. And if that sad pathetic man, on ONE bad day, can snap into something else in the comic books.. he can in this version if they so deemed it.
@@pedroperez1231 I'm not saying that the 2nd movie is good. I'm saying that you people always want the same mediocre shit. Joker was a lame and pathetic comedian in Killing Joke as well, dude. Nothing wrong with the first Joker movie not showing Joker as some kind of criminal mastermind or whatever you people want every single time, it's always the same thing that's been done for forever.
@lepersonnage371 True.. You're 100% correct. But that doesn't mean name a movie, "Wayne".. have his parents canceled out. Then he grows up as Batman.. BUT he doesn't stop crime.. he just reports them to the crime watchline .. then feels bad about them getting sentenced, so he turns into a defense lawyer to make up for it. If you want to make a Joker movie.. in the DC world and not have it flop.. then do it justice. It was always different enough. If Todd wants to make a movie called "Jokes on me," cool.. but don't highjack a beloved character and not do them justice.
Great movie. And it's the first time, in my opionion, that the sequel is almost better than the original. Probably we shoudn't call it sequel, that in my opinion has always a negative meaning, because the original in never to be repeated, neither copied nor diminished. It deserves all the Oscars included the one for the perfect lenght
Not the first sequel better than the first. Godfather 2 and Star Wars 2 (fuck all that episode 4-5-6 bs! 😂) are better than the original films. Same thing with The Dark Knight or even Batman Returns.
I love the movie, love the original DC characters, love Todd Phillips' original take on the prelude to them descending upon Gotham City, told from an underdog's perspective who doesn't even quite realize what he's starting. This film is like the opening of Pandora's Box (letting Gotham City's infectious mean spirit out) even before there are any superheroes/supervillains in that place. How we were taken even deeper into Arthur Fleck's troubled psyche than in the first movie, how Gotham's corruption became even more palpable, how fantasy crashed with reality in even starker contrast, how consistent with "Joker", how even more crazy and tragic than the first one this movie got to be - that was amazing to witness at the cinema. As a fan of DC's best Gotham City comics, I absolutely love this film.
@@scottcraddock1068 Nope! I love 'em both. The underlying message is similar, the plot continuation is consistent, but the protagonist has some growth to do after an initial relapse into delusion. Buckle up for some drastic changes in style, though: It's a more crazed ride through Arthur Fleck's psyche and Gotham City society's heart of darkness and corruption than "Joker" ever was!
The original score? Yes, by her again! The few but important musical scenes however take old song classics because of their lyrics being usable to comment on the action.
They barely let Hildur make anything new, they usually reuse the soundtrack from the first one or it's a musical. Every once in awhile it's new. One of the things I was looking forward to
You should have let Arthur alone... What a way to destroy the image we had, the emotions we went through with Arthur... 😢 Absolutely sad... Dude u destroyed it
Everyone needs to watch the movie, dont go off of what others are saying, its a love or hate type of film, im more on the love side for what it does and trys. Its not a typical movie sequel. Edit: I see where it trys and undo what the first movie did, which is sad but oh well.
My dad always told his music students just becauae you dont like something doesnt mean its bad. It's sad to see how mamy people aren't able to make objective critiques anymore. I think think it's really a niche movie and that's what i love about it. The problem with it tough could probably be, that it is to deep and artistic for most to appreciate it. Rarely reviews and critiques have made me so angry at people about how narrow thingking a lot are.
@@Grunzelot-lässt-grüssen it seemed to me that everybody, including the professional critics, fell prey of their expectations, which is sad; and didn't want to see the author's idea about the second part being a predecessor to the third one where the main events will unfold.
@@Grunzelot-lässt-grüssen it's a niche movie - very good definition. And is one of a kind, in some respect. I rearely want to go to the movie again... and again)
I thought it was brilliant. Musical was excessive but the ending spot on. It tells us that often, the real crackpots are the wannabes themselves and that people with actual mental issues don't go around advertising it. I someways its almost better than the first Apart from the excessive musical aspect.
Exactly! Most people forget that part of Arthur’s obsession and way of dealing with his ‘reality’ is to escape through watching Musicals. I think the ‘Musical’ aspect in J:FAD has much more in common with Les Misérables or Dancer In The Dark than say, Singing In The Rain.
They did more of what worked in "Joker", but in another style. Plus, they continued that one's story to a consistent, logical, quite realistic conclusion - considering the world it is set in. It's like a Gotham City prelude to a later age of supervillains and superheroes. There just aren't any in those two movies yet.
I get that you don't want to make a movie about what he becomes, but who he once was. That's one of the reasons why Martin Scorsese left. But if that's the case then don't make a sequel.
@@scottcraddock1068 it’s the studios to blame and their blind greed. The director had applied all his talent to prevent the film from turning into a complete failure. In my view.
I think it was a strength, as the second movie is even darker, more gruesome and tragic in what happens to Arthur Fleck, so at least some arc of consciental self-awareness, self-ownership and denouement on his side was needed to counter-balance what happened to him in the physical realm. His final self-realization and self-actualization, his internal triumph over his shadow gave the movie more depth as it contrasted beautifully with the outward triumph of Gotham City's societal shadow. This film is Gotham horror at its finest. I rank it on a level with the "Arkham Asylum" comic by Grant Morrison and Dave McKean.
@@michaelantonyaustin Oh no.. I was more curious, he put on weight, wasn't because he's that as I saw younger him, was pretty fit and nice. Yeah I know he's one of the actors that go all out for their movie roles. Respect that.
"theres so many directions it could go in" and you guys chose the worst one? The one that has zero creativity and latches on to a movie that was made almost 2 decades ago? Good job making a crappy prequel and sequel at the same time.
I think if Todd Philips envisioned a trilogy where he wanted to end with a 3rd film that time jumped a few years, and introduced Bruce Wayne as Batman (Batsuit/batmobile with realistic 80's aesthetic, unique to this time period/world), and brought his REAL Joker (Spoilers ahead).... The Joker Whom kills Arthur at the end of the 2nd film.. bringing him into full clown prince of crime glorry, if he brought his Harvey/Two-Face into full villain, if he brought Lady Gaga into full clown psycho who fell in love with this new Joker, the real JOKER.. and more.. with Arthur still alive, still as the lead character who is now dealing with all these monsters he's created, feeling responsible, feeling horrible being in the center of the story dealing with BATMAN dealing with these monsters hat have been created from what he's done, worse, and worse ones popping up everywhere.. I think he could've made something special with a unique trilogy that focused on an original new character in Arthur Fleck who was a product of GOTHAM, and is the catlyst that caused everything to play out, and watching him, a nobody dealing with it. Deal with Joker being obsessed with him, dealing with Batman blaming him for his parents death, with Harvey blaming him for his face, with Harley hating him for not embracing Joker persona, and instead falling inlove with the insane REAL Joker.. I think it could've been an amazing trilogy, unique. But the 2nd film was horrible apparently, and Todd Philips has no interest in a 3rd film, also Arthur is dead, so can't see it happening now. Wasted potential imo.
@@ReadyPlayerTomVR Todd Phillips should just stay away from anything that isn’t a comedy. We now know he just got lucky with the first one. He just should direct and stay away from writing. Personally watching Arthur get gang raped grossed me out. Totally uncalled for and just gross
@@scottcraddock1068 Didn't even know that happened! My god, yeah I agree man.. I've been saying for years the first one is overrated, and he got lucky with it. The film wouldn't exist if not for Heath Ledgers Joker, and Taxi Driver. He copied things, and acted pretentiously as if he created it. Jaquin Delivered a unique performance, but I found the entire film to be disrespectful to Heaths take on the character, and disrespectful to the comics.. all made to be this OSCAR film, pretentious overrated garbage imo.. but I get why people loved it, just not for me. I'm glad people are seeing this story for what it is. Pretentious mockery of the universe.
"Explore him (Arthur) further..." That's like the one thing they didn't do at all in the sequel. He stayed the exact same character the entire time, and he's the same character from the first movie, literally and figuratively. What a joke.
Exploring a character further doesn't mean the character has to change. From what you have said, you haven't understood and realised where Arthur has actually changed in Joker 2....I recommend watching it again, and hopefully you will realise the second time round. Or I am happy to comment back to you, if you wish for me to share so with you.
@@KB-bx9ui He didn't change other than rejecting the joker. He's still the same dude as he was in the beginning of the first film. None of it even matters because everything he went through in becoming the Joker was instantly undone at the end of the sequel. It's just a big "fuck you," to everyone who liked the first movie.
He comes to a moment of lucidity and self-awareness in Follie a deux's third act - and that on a level he never had at any point during Joker. How could you miss that, did you even watch the entire movie?
@@kxjab It was not a fuck you at all, it was a long kiss goodbye. I love both movies, I love the original DC characters from the comics, I love Todd Phillips' original take on the prelude to them descending upon Gotham City, told from an underdog's perspective who doesn't even quite realize what he is starting until it's too late. This "Joker" duology is like the opening of Pandora's Box (letting Gotham City's infectious mean spirit out) even before there are any superheroes/supervillains in that place, thereby preparing the ground for the entire The Joker VS The Batman saga to take place there several years/decades further down that timeline. How Joker: Follie a deux takes us even deeper into Arthur Fleck's troubled psyche than Joker did, how Gotham's corruption becomes even more palpable through the portrayals of Arkham Asylum, of Gotham's media circus and of its justice system, how stylistically fantasy crashes with reality in even starker contrast, how consistent with the first movie, how even more crazy and tragic this second movie got to be - that was amazing to witness at the cinema. I went in twice, because it was so awesome and overwhelming on an emotional level to take it all in that I simply had to, and I liked it even more the second time around, because it is also quite cerebral in how well its narrative is constructed. As a fan of DC's best Gotham City comics, I absolutely love this film.
Brilliant movie! Those complaining about the movie are those who either wanted the standard Joker (which this version NEVER was supposed to be) and/or are not insightful enough to get the deeper points the move makes.
I actually heard a theory that they tried undoing the first movie for the election, making us feel powerless and can't rise up. That's just a theory I heard but why knows these days lmao
Can you ask Jaoquin why he's had a recent fetish for taking characters/people which are beloved (joker and Napoleon) and creating films designed to make them look as pathetic and weak as possible for some weird unknown reason
I have never seen Joaquin Phoenix so relaxed, Todd phillips must be a really nice dude.
@@donnysabel23 He sure is, I've met Todd Phillips at a Q&A in Los Angeles and he really is the most down to earth funny guy you could ever meet.
@@davidfilmexpert That wasn’t on a set. He’s a real screamer on set.
@@UncleDeadly1031 How would you know? Have you been on one of his sets? Every director screams on set, he can't be worse than Michael Bay.
@@donnysabel23 he’s super nice. You know how we loved watching Arthur turn into the Joker and made his movie a billion dollars? Well he decided to mock us for it and made the sequel meta where we the audience are Harley, the real villains for liking Joker. How dare we like Joker in a movie called Joker! So he made this as a middle finger to us. If only we were as smart as him
@@scottcraddock1068someone is triggered
Great questions from the interviewer
I loved this second movie. I thought it was quite a masterpiece. Joaquin is such a huge talent. Incredible portrayal.
It was better than the first one!
@@LordZedd123I wouldn’t go that far, but it’s very, very good!
@@beckylang91 oh I went there sister! Lol 🤡❤️
@@LordZedd123 lol 😂
They should of named it "Joker 2- Quit while you're ahead."
And there you go….they didn’t want to repeat the same film thus giving birth to “Folie A Deux”” a different film totally in every way possible!
The underlying message to both movies is similar, but the second one is more clear in telling it while, oddly, also more nuanced and disturbing, surreal and tragic, stylistically wild and also more complex in terms of narration. It's a great coda / epilogue to Joker.
Another great way to see a totally different film is just to see a totally different film.
He was amazing in Walk The Line
This movie was so beautiful. I loved it.
I absolute love this interview
Joaquin expresses his deep connection as an actor here. Todd is articulate and seeing his! Nice interview
I'm not gay but damn Joaquin looks phenomenal for his age.
He looked dreamy in Venice
You wanna Diddy him?
hes on 42
You def gay
@@bigG135Cuz 49
Joaq’s got the grey hair down to a t
The Bromance continues🥰
I really hope Joaquin Phoenix does more interviews on the press tour for this sequel. We don't care if he dropped out of some movie, we all still love him and we're always eager to hear what he has to say. ✌️♥️
Lovely words ❤
Well said!
I agree 👍🏼
the folks who invested their time and $ on the movie he dropped out of 2 wks before it was to start filming care, alot.
@@MissPerriwinkle That happens in the industry almost on a regular basis. We get over it and move on.
0:02 crazy good knuckle cracking sound ngl
Just instead of 20k songs in the movie they should’ve explored Harley Quinn backstory then this movie would be a masterpiece cause it’s have a potential to be the greatest movie of all time
The movie was way better than what people were crying about
Because people are fickle don't like change ignorant and arrogant. They just want the same thing over and over even though they won't admit it. BTW I didn't like the first Joker movie.
Exactly
The worst movie of the year 🤮
@@helgafever768 these comments are outrageous
It was literally garbage, and im a fan of musicals
Todd Phillips end of career for what he'll always remembered for whata guy.
As a blockbuster director? For sure. He will still get jobs for indie-filmmaking, which is what he did with Joker 2. It is a good film, it's just the exact opposite of what everybody expected.
Joaquin seems so much more open to answering questions and being part of the process of promotion. I do like that in the past he was a bit brooding and not cool with questions that were repetitive and similar in nature. Very excited for this film in the theatres!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
You poor soul
@@brianwagner5008 I used to like Joaquin until I heard he dreamed up this disgusting film. Apparently he dreams about people with mental illnesses getting tortured, used, BRUTALLY GANG RAPED, rejected and stabbed to death. Also he sucks at singing. I don’t want to watch him in anything now, it’ll just make me think of that disgusting rape scene
@@scottcraddock1068 We didnts see THAT happen, just heavily implied
When they saw Joker cracked $1 billion, they couldn’t avoid a follow up even if they tried. 💀
WB won almost nothing with the first one, it was inevitable to do a sequel sadly
That's the real answet
Exactly and gave them both a crazy salary to fully convince them
1) It was Joaquin Phoenix’s idea to make a sequel. He said he had a dream of Joker singing and dancing.
2) This movie is not a traditional DC sequel like Aquaman 2, Shazam 2, or Wonder Woman 2. So Joker 2 was completely Phillips and Phoenix’s vision for the character of Arthur.
@@aesop1451 And you really believe that? 😂 of course WB wanted a sequel
ok but those questions? amazing interview!!
Ngl Joaquin looks good with grey hair 😂😂
"Thee Jokeeer iiis meee"
I loved the movie and Joaquin was brilliant as always. Greatest actor in the world in my book.
lol
I think Gary Oldman is THE greatest, but Joaquin is very near for sure!
Ill see it when it comes out on video..
Heavy movie and I am adjusting! It was great and still with me!
The time will make justice with joker 2. Is a brillant film.
I really like the sequel more than the original one, which is quite a wanna be movie.
Joaquin is choosing wrong scripts these days idk why. He's obviously a talented actor. He should channel that in the right direction.
Joaquin is a great actor❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
They specifically referred to the first one as a one-off, even far into when the success had been already known. So that’s some retconning there. But overall, I bet the discussion will be a lot different in a decade or two.
YOU BLEW ITTTTTT 😡
❤Congratulations Joaquin Phoenix for your great movie¡ Kisses Mexico's¡
Unfortunately, people are not smart enough to realize that this movie is brilliant. Lee, is a villain which I didn't mind. Lee is us, if you think about it. We want Joker and when we don't get what we want we bash him for not playing the role we want him too. I think most of us at some point in our lives/life acted like Lee and all the joker sycophants.
It's an excellent film yea... I still preferred the first. But I felt the second had even more depth of character.
I hated the guards and I was hoping arthur or one of the other inmates would have killed one of the guards for revenge for all the abuse they took.. specially arthur, that made me mad, arthur was like a wimp and didn't care,but i get it, he was so far gone by time this film took place.
Like with the rape scene I was hoping arthur, as joker would have snapped and killed Jackie.. I hated him.
Did you all noticed arthur's next door inmate the fat short bloke with the glasses,he looked like penguin. You see him a few times.
Anyway I liked joker 2, I know I'm part of a small percentage of stupid people who liked it but whatever...I don't care. Joaquin is my favourite actor and he was brilliant as always..Hildur's music was sexy, she's brilliant, cinematography was breathtaking 👍🏻💯
I saw it twice and about to watch it on this streaming called "mannic" it free, good copy, I saw a piece of it.
Dont understand what all the hate is for. Guess people just follow the opinion of what they're told to have.
Don't worry, you're not stupid :).
Joker 2 is very good!
A logical, coherent continuation of the story told in the first movie.
dont reading all that bs 😂 youre outrageous thinking thats a good movie and SOO deep, omg the entertainment industry is doomed
@@vegeta3803 Why do you dislike Joker 2 so much?
@@erawa2740 its str8 trash thats why shame on you supporting that bs
hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha
We need a third joker..
Called "Fully redo"
Arthur wakes up in the hospital, stabbed before his trial by a fellow patient. And he hallucinated all of the second movie. Harley is his psychiatrist, whom he's in love with. And out of fear of losing her, he goes full-blown joker and corrupts her into loving him.
lol
Arthur is not that kind of person at all. Have you even watched the first movie? How can you people, after watching the first movie, misunderstand the character so much? No, Arthur could never be the "full-blown Joker". Movie points out that none of you cared if Arthur will lose himself completely and become a monster only for you have some fun spectacle of him being Joker
@lepersonnage371 The movie is called Joker.. not anti joker.. DC joker. He has a HARLEY.. the original joker was a lame and pathetic comedian. Don't talk to me about DC lore. The movie bombed in the box office for a reason. And there could be a real solution if REAL DC fans were giving what they wanted. And if that sad pathetic man, on ONE bad day, can snap into something else in the comic books.. he can in this version if they so deemed it.
@@pedroperez1231 I'm not saying that the 2nd movie is good. I'm saying that you people always want the same mediocre shit. Joker was a lame and pathetic comedian in Killing Joke as well, dude. Nothing wrong with the first Joker movie not showing Joker as some kind of criminal mastermind or whatever you people want every single time, it's always the same thing that's been done for forever.
@lepersonnage371 True.. You're 100% correct. But that doesn't mean name a movie, "Wayne".. have his parents canceled out. Then he grows up as Batman.. BUT he doesn't stop crime.. he just reports them to the crime watchline .. then feels bad about them getting sentenced, so he turns into a defense lawyer to make up for it.
If you want to make a Joker movie.. in the DC world and not have it flop.. then do it justice. It was always different enough. If Todd wants to make a movie called "Jokes on me," cool.. but don't highjack a beloved character and not do them justice.
Great movie. And it's the first time, in my opionion, that the sequel is almost better than the original. Probably we shoudn't call it sequel, that in my opinion has always a negative meaning, because the original in never to be repeated, neither copied nor diminished. It deserves all the Oscars included the one for the perfect lenght
Not the first sequel better than the first. Godfather 2 and Star Wars 2 (fuck all that episode 4-5-6 bs! 😂) are better than the original films. Same thing with The Dark Knight or even Batman Returns.
I love the movie, love the original DC characters, love Todd Phillips' original take on the prelude to them descending upon Gotham City, told from an underdog's perspective who doesn't even quite realize what he's starting.
This film is like the opening of Pandora's Box (letting Gotham City's infectious mean spirit out) even before there are any superheroes/supervillains in that place.
How we were taken even deeper into Arthur Fleck's troubled psyche than in the first movie, how Gotham's corruption became even more palpable, how fantasy crashed with reality in even starker contrast, how consistent with "Joker", how even more crazy and tragic than the first one this movie got to be - that was amazing to witness at the cinema.
As a fan of DC's best Gotham City comics, I absolutely love this film.
well...Joaquin is actually really pissed, he's just a great actor.
Can't wait. Less days 💐🤡
nah WB wanted to do another sequel lmao
I CAN'T WAIT to watch Joker: Folie A Deux!!💜💚💜💚
don't watch it
@ghostin5699 why lol
@@JulieLewis-bl6ut if you liked the first one you’ll hate this one
@@scottcraddock1068
Nope!
I love 'em both.
The underlying message is similar, the plot continuation is consistent, but the protagonist has some growth to do after an initial relapse into delusion.
Buckle up for some drastic changes in style, though: It's a more crazed ride through Arthur Fleck's psyche and Gotham City society's heart of darkness and corruption than "Joker" ever was!
I’d like to know if the lady that did the music to the first Joker will she be doing the music to Joker 2 ?
Hildur, yes
The original score? Yes, by her again!
The few but important musical scenes however take old song classics because of their lyrics being usable to comment on the action.
They barely let Hildur make anything new, they usually reuse the soundtrack from the first one or it's a musical. Every once in awhile it's new. One of the things I was looking forward to
INCREDIBLE FILM! SO GLAD I SAW IT A SECOND TIME IN CINEMAS! 👏👏👏
@@KB-bx9ui the floppest of the year!
You should have let Arthur alone... What a way to destroy the image we had, the emotions we went through with Arthur... 😢 Absolutely sad... Dude u destroyed it
Brilliant movie. Love the meta commentary
Everyone needs to watch the movie, dont go off of what others are saying, its a love or hate type of film, im more on the love side for what it does and trys. Its not a typical movie sequel.
Edit: I see where it trys and undo what the first movie did, which is sad but oh well.
I agree, really appreciate for what it was and i can also see why the hate as well.
My dad always told his music students just becauae you dont like something doesnt mean its bad. It's sad to see how mamy people aren't able to make objective critiques anymore. I think think it's really a niche movie and that's what i love about it. The problem with it tough could probably be, that it is to deep and artistic for most to appreciate it. Rarely reviews and critiques have made me so angry at people about how narrow thingking a lot are.
pointless cash grab movie
@@Grunzelot-lässt-grüssen it seemed to me that everybody, including the professional critics, fell prey of their expectations, which is sad; and didn't want to see the author's idea about the second part being a predecessor to the third one where the main events will unfold.
@@Grunzelot-lässt-grüssen it's a niche movie - very good definition. And is one of a kind, in some respect. I rearely want to go to the movie again... and again)
Joaquin deserves a second Oscar. Joker: Folie à Deux is Art.
This is a misleading title. Only 2/3rds of the audience didn’t enjoy it whereas the rest of the audience LOVED it
37 million < 200 million
Joker 2 was literally a number 2. My opinion.
@@singhtaaak Correct
All i can see is the joker not Joaquin
I can't wait to watch the movie and I'm sure most Joker fans are too ♥
I'm a joker fan but lost motivation when I heard lady gaga and musical
@@Guruji-pj1dx Lady Gaga is not the central focus and I heard the whole musical aspect only last 25 minutes, the movie is 2 hours and 18 minutes
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What😂😂😂😂
Famous last words lol
I thought it was brilliant. Musical was excessive but the ending spot on. It tells us that often, the real crackpots are the wannabes themselves and that people with actual mental issues don't go around advertising it. I someways its almost better than the first Apart from the excessive musical aspect.
I disagree completely. They literally just did MORE of what worked in the first movie, hence why it's a musical.
you are delusional
Exactly! Most people forget that part of Arthur’s obsession and way of dealing with his ‘reality’ is to escape through watching Musicals. I think the ‘Musical’ aspect in J:FAD has much more in common with Les Misérables or Dancer In The Dark than say, Singing In The Rain.
They did more of what worked in "Joker", but in another style. Plus, they continued that one's story to a consistent, logical, quite realistic conclusion - considering the world it is set in. It's like a Gotham City prelude to a later age of supervillains and superheroes. There just aren't any in those two movies yet.
I get that you don't want to make a movie about what he becomes, but who he once was. That's one of the reasons why Martin Scorsese left. But if that's the case then don't make a sequel.
00:52 So you killed character :D ahhahahaha this bro is joker
Bad ending but the movie overall was great.
❤
Joker rastafari
The 'anti-Joker'. Don't like the sound of that
Oh yeah
Movie was trash. You won’t like it………
Why? He did bad shit?
it's truly amazing
@@torakincaid5984 The first movie was TRASH as well. Why would you think this movie would be different?
Gonna be awesome
what do you think now lmao
@ well some of us liked it it’s all that matters
9/10 amazing film ❤❤
I found that the evolution of the Joker's character was one of the weaknesses of the second movie
everything was a weakness in the second movie
@@user-zn2ze2cx1o it’s a meta mockery of us for liking the first one. We, the audience, are Harley and his fans. Literally a middle finger to us all
@@scottcraddock1068 it’s the studios to blame and their blind greed. The director had applied all his talent to prevent the film from turning into a complete failure. In my view.
I think it was a strength, as the second movie is even darker, more gruesome and tragic in what happens to Arthur Fleck, so at least some arc of consciental self-awareness, self-ownership and denouement on his side was needed to counter-balance what happened to him in the physical realm. His final self-realization and self-actualization, his internal triumph over his shadow gave the movie more depth as it contrasted beautifully with the outward triumph of Gotham City's societal shadow. This film is Gotham horror at its finest. I rank it on a level with the "Arkham Asylum" comic by Grant Morrison and Dave McKean.
@@elevenseven-yq4vu Bravo. Thank you. Glad you saw that. The bar is set high for a possible sequel.
Todd Phillis: “ I loved Arthur character”
Movie: Arthur get Gr*ped by guards and is killed in the end 😭😭🤯
lmao he wanted to make another movie about Arthur getting bullied again but that doesn't work as a sequel
Todd Philips has a clown like face
it took years for joker 1 to really 'click' for me,
i have a feeling joker 2 might be the same thing.
Didn’t discuss why they allowed it to be intentionally SABOTAGED !!!
The movie was an utter disappointment unfortunately
You wouldn't get it
This Joaquin Phoenix is much healthier shape. After the Joker 1, I think he got quite fat.
He put on weight for Napoleon…
@@michaelantonyaustin right after Joker? So he did that on purpose again for another film? 😱
@@ChyeHeng17He’s a method actor like Christian Bale (remember The Machinist?). It’s not healthy but it certainly helps their performance.
@@michaelantonyaustin Oh no.. I was more curious, he put on weight, wasn't because he's that as I saw younger him, was pretty fit and nice.
Yeah I know he's one of the actors that go all out for their movie roles. Respect that.
"theres so many directions it could go in" and you guys chose the worst one? The one that has zero creativity and latches on to a movie that was made almost 2 decades ago? Good job making a crappy prequel and sequel at the same time.
ITs not the Joker in The Dark Knight.
Bad music, bad singing. The acting was good, but the story didn't have meaning, and the ending was just plain stupid and pointless.
I’d love to see Todd do a Batman film. Bruce Wayne character piece like this. He’s nearly as insane as Joker.
i dont want him to ruin batman also
@@ghostin5699 yeah I saw Joker 2. That suuuuucked!!! But I’d still love to see the film I described above.
I think if Todd Philips envisioned a trilogy where he wanted to end with a 3rd film that time jumped a few years, and introduced Bruce Wayne as Batman (Batsuit/batmobile with realistic 80's aesthetic, unique to this time period/world), and brought his REAL Joker (Spoilers ahead)....
The Joker Whom kills Arthur at the end of the 2nd film.. bringing him into full clown prince of crime glorry, if he brought his Harvey/Two-Face into full villain, if he brought Lady Gaga into full clown psycho who fell in love with this new Joker, the real JOKER.. and more.. with Arthur still alive, still as the lead character who is now dealing with all these monsters he's created, feeling responsible, feeling horrible being in the center of the story dealing with BATMAN dealing with these monsters hat have been created from what he's done, worse, and worse ones popping up everywhere.. I think he could've made something special with a unique trilogy that focused on an original new character in Arthur Fleck who was a product of GOTHAM, and is the catlyst that caused everything to play out, and watching him, a nobody dealing with it. Deal with Joker being obsessed with him, dealing with Batman blaming him for his parents death, with Harvey blaming him for his face, with Harley hating him for not embracing Joker persona, and instead falling inlove with the insane REAL Joker.. I think it could've been an amazing trilogy, unique.
But the 2nd film was horrible apparently, and Todd Philips has no interest in a 3rd film, also Arthur is dead, so can't see it happening now. Wasted potential imo.
@@ReadyPlayerTomVR Todd Phillips should just stay away from anything that isn’t a comedy. We now know he just got lucky with the first one. He just should direct and stay away from writing. Personally watching Arthur get gang raped grossed me out. Totally uncalled for and just gross
@@scottcraddock1068 Didn't even know that happened! My god, yeah I agree man.. I've been saying for years the first one is overrated, and he got lucky with it. The film wouldn't exist if not for Heath Ledgers Joker, and Taxi Driver. He copied things, and acted pretentiously as if he created it. Jaquin Delivered a unique performance, but I found the entire film to be disrespectful to Heaths take on the character, and disrespectful to the comics.. all made to be this OSCAR film, pretentious overrated garbage imo.. but I get why people loved it, just not for me. I'm glad people are seeing this story for what it is. Pretentious mockery of the universe.
"Explore him (Arthur) further..."
That's like the one thing they didn't do at all in the sequel. He stayed the exact same character the entire time, and he's the same character from the first movie, literally and figuratively.
What a joke.
Exploring a character further doesn't mean the character has to change.
From what you have said, you haven't understood and realised where Arthur has actually changed in Joker 2....I recommend watching it again, and hopefully you will realise the second time round. Or I am happy to comment back to you, if you wish for me to share so with you.
@@KB-bx9ui He didn't change other than rejecting the joker. He's still the same dude as he was in the beginning of the first film.
None of it even matters because everything he went through in becoming the Joker was instantly undone at the end of the sequel. It's just a big "fuck you," to everyone who liked the first movie.
He comes to a moment of lucidity and self-awareness in Follie a deux's third act - and that on a level he never had at any point during Joker.
How could you miss that, did you even watch the entire movie?
@@kxjab It was not a fuck you at all, it was a long kiss goodbye.
I love both movies, I love the original DC characters from the comics, I love Todd Phillips' original take on the prelude to them descending upon Gotham City, told from an underdog's perspective who doesn't even quite realize what he is starting until it's too late.
This "Joker" duology is like the opening of Pandora's Box (letting Gotham City's infectious mean spirit out) even before there are any superheroes/supervillains in that place, thereby preparing the ground for the entire The Joker VS The Batman saga to take place there several years/decades further down that timeline.
How Joker: Follie a deux takes us even deeper into Arthur Fleck's troubled psyche than Joker did, how Gotham's corruption becomes even more palpable through the portrayals of Arkham Asylum, of Gotham's media circus and of its justice system, how stylistically fantasy crashes with reality in even starker contrast, how consistent with the first movie, how even more crazy and tragic this second movie got to be - that was amazing to witness at the cinema.
I went in twice, because it was so awesome and overwhelming on an emotional level to take it all in that I simply had to, and I liked it even more the second time around, because it is also quite cerebral in how well its narrative is constructed.
As a fan of DC's best Gotham City comics, I absolutely love this film.
you can tell they REALLY GOT A PHAT PAYCHECK !!!!! they literally dont care hahahahhah
Brilliant movie!
Those complaining about the movie are those who either wanted the standard Joker (which this version NEVER was supposed to be) and/or are not insightful enough to get the deeper points the move makes.
Movie is not brilliant, you like this movie there is a difference !
@@progdrummer-nenadno, it’s brilliant. Like Joker says….”you wouldn’t get it” (apparently) 😉
@@progdrummer-nenad you already posted this comment once
Democrats love this movie.
I actually heard a theory that they tried undoing the first movie for the election, making us feel powerless and can't rise up. That's just a theory I heard but why knows these days lmao
Can you ask Jaoquin why he's had a recent fetish for taking characters/people which are beloved (joker and Napoleon) and creating films designed to make them look as pathetic and weak as possible for some weird unknown reason
Why do so many rich white men settle down in the Middle East when they get older, especially when they get accused of crimes? I don't get it.
There was an opportunity to show how his arc went from embracing the chaos to causing it and driving people away from him. What a waste.
Arthur is a poor guy with a big handicap, he don't know what he's doing. Think about it, it make totally sense.
@@TheShark94700 cope
@@ryotron8936 It's a fact actually. He planned to kill himself at the end of Joker 1
@@TheShark94700 So people who plan their suicide are all handicap and don't know what they're doing. nice
Terrible movie
Movie is bullcrapppppp
Boring interview like the songs in folie a Deux that covered up a real film
You Were Never Really Here is 100x better than Joker.
The worst movie of the year 🤮
horrible movie ffs
This boring interview full of empty phrases fits very good to the movie.
Movie sucked and completely ruined the first one.
Worst film I've ever seen, you killed the idea of joker
Lady gaga!!wont be wasting my time or money on this heap of crap