This movie seriously wants me to believe that never once, in the 15 years that the Parrs have had kids, did Bob ever take care of the kids solo. Helen never got sick. She never had to leave town. Bob never even *gave Helen a day off?!*
I understand your gripe and that it kinda sucks that it’s implied that Bob is a shit parent/partner. But it’s really not that crazy, especially for mums with small/young children to never “take a day off.” It’s a pretty common family dynamic especially back in the day (in the West, though still pretty much the case in many other cultures). If you are in any young mum groups and compare it with speaking with older women this fact becomes clear but it’s become much less common nowadays. With ALL that said, I don’t think it fits Bob’s character from the first movie!! He seemed pretty attentive and capable of looking after the kids
It definitely seems that way. It was pretty well established in the first movie that he kinda took over the breadwinning tho. So he may have had certain days or maybe weeks where he was with the kids, but he also just seems incredibly preoccupied with undercover heroing, so unless Helen was really out of commission, I don't believe he'd be taking such an active role
@@ManicShorty He still wouldn't be so blatantly incompetent and unaware. For three months between the end of Syndrome and the Underminer battle Bob didn't have a job. What was he doing during that time?
Here’s a fun little fact: In Japan, The Incredibles 1 is called “Mr. Incredible”, despite the movie overall having a bigger focus on the whole Parr family. Incredibles 2 on the other hand is called “Incredible Family” in Japan, despite the movie having a bigger focus on Mrs. Incredible/Elastigirl than the rest of the family. Just thought that was something interesting worth mentioning.
To be fair, The first film is like 75% Bob and his feelings of inadequacy, him being the snowball that lead to the big hero banning, him getting back in shape and reviving the glory years as he puts it and his past coming back to haunt him. And it's in other 25% that the family has relevance because of what he had been doing. And then Incredibles 2 has more of the family just by virtue that much of the action isn't as isolated to one character throughout the entire film. Lot of situations that have the family relevant one way or another, so I don't think this is in the same vein like "Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory" being more about Charlie or "Charlie and The Chocolate Factory" being more about Willy Wonka, the amusement of that.
Among other problems, I believe mr. incredible really got put through the “cartoon sitcom family dad” trope. They made him the stupid, selfish, incompetent dad. Completely unlike his character from the 1st movie
Or/also, he suffered from acute Disnorroyds or Marvelmuckus: Find the confident and intelligent male; Turn him into a fucking parody of himself, a miserable dumb rock with no brain capabilities and fragile, or kill him off- Find the Female, turn her into a *"Strong independent Woman"*, give her All of the attention and make her superior to her Male counterpart in all ways Its the Bad writing and Female supremacy infection that Disney has willingly injected into itself.
I could see Bob making a lot of the mistakes he does, like taking Violet to the restaurant thinking it was a good idea. Helen would have been the one to tell him how dumb it is and she wasn’t there. He was always good at a lot of things but they showed in both movies him struggling to be a great father.
I was literally thinking during the first video that the way he's being described reminds me of what happened to Homer Simpson and Peter Griffin over the years.
This is what happens when you get writers to fanfic you a female supremacist sequel to a good movie. Total 180 on all logic, complete nonsense lines about how women are so much better and if the woman had just done everything herself then the outcome would have been preferable, as well as making all the men either look entirely incompetent/like total simps (billionaire dude serving as EG's personal ATM)/remove the character's arc except for one scene (dash). Modern entertainment has become such a propaganda filled nightmare that it's no longer worth watching. It's legitimately more entertaining to watch people on YT tear the entire... "movie" (and I use the term loosely) apart with logic and facts.
So let me get this straight. You went from having a maniacal super villain who literally WIPED OUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF SUPER HEROES FROM THE GOLDEN AGE to someone who wants to “keep them illegal”. Top tier villain, Pixar.
The "Anti Mutant Controversy" from the 1990s X-Men cartoon was done better - Despite how *Absolutely Preschool Easy* it is to tell who the bad guys are in that!!!
@@diegocardenas6494: As best I can simplify for you; The problem comes from humans without the Mutant X gene believing *All* mutants are bad, and not even caring there are those who use their abilities to help/protect people.
@@diegocardenas6494in marvel humans hate mutants because not only of how they look but because the leader of the mutant group in the 1970s killed the anti mutant leader which lead to humans and the government hating them
Violet’s “relationship” with Tony in Incredibles 2 is kind of like Syndrome’s obsession with Mr. Incredible in the first movie. The difference is, the first movie doesn’t justify that kind of behavior.
Well violet and Tony's relationship is comedically adorable while syndrome and mr.incredible's relationship is a toxic relationship since buddy felt betrayed after Mr.incredible denied him as his sidekick
@@Mr.Feather130: The *_Real Irony_* is; "I love you, but if we're gonna make this work, you gotta be *_More than_* ..." "Uprooting our family *_Again,_* so you can relive the glory days is a very bad thing" "Yes, they happened! But *_This; Our family_* is what's happening now, and you are missing this!" "THIS IS NOT... ABOUT... YOU!!!!" *_All lines ELASTIGIRL said in the previous movie!!!!!_*
One of the coolest parts for me form the og film was that bob was so clever. Watching him be the only one to survive on syndromes island was so cool to see because it was achieved by his wits in tandem with his incredible strength. Its sad how much they made him a big strong braindead dope. Its disrespectful
You know what I hate? The writers/producers of these movies just do the bare minimum, killing characters personalities left and right, release the mid movie, get richer and that’s it. There’s never a confrontation, a healthy criticism being addressed or justified in some way. Idk just thought this and it’s infuriating they face no repercussion, just praise from the general public.
I get the feeling that they really want to push the "if you are physically strong, you are probably dense"-stereotype, even in siturations where it doesn't make sense. That would also explain why Buzz is suddenly an idiot. He's capable, so he has to be dumb.
I don’t mind the base idea of “excel with a trait in one situation but flounder in a different one”. It’s not inaccurate to real life. People who are smart in one way may not be “smart” with something else. Having Bob become a more well-balanced individual as a sort of repentance for his heroic-chasing from the first movie isn’t something I’m opposed to. But they just took the flaws too far, didn’t make them seem like something he would have. Despite that I still really like his reconciliation scene with him and Violet. It’s mature on both their parts. We just had to go through poor writing structure to get there
@@emblemblade9245 The thing is, whether they went too far with the new flaws or not, they didn't even need to add them at all because he was already flawed character in the first movie.
The complaints in these videos are so strong. You're even able to point out flaws that would be invisible to other people without going through them too fast
Violet renouncing Supers and attempting to destroy her suit could've been a epic and dramatic moment but they frame it as silly comedic moment instead. That's such great missed potential to show the superhero life for a teenager would be really tough that some may not be able to handle.
@@eduardoaguero1220 its weird. The Incredibles in 2004 is currently the best adaption of a film close to Fantastic 4 and yet the Spiderman sequel in that same year does what incredibles 2 could be doing 14 years later but didnt.
Incredibles 3 should be like Cars 3. Just pretend the second one didnt happen and do its own thing... Hopefully a better thing too, just like Cars 3, which actually had a message to it's viewers, in addition to a new story to tell, unlike Incredibles 2 being "Hey, can I copy your homework?" "Sure, just change it up a bit so it doesn't look obvious"
@@ravaniphoenix5431 Now this seems like a great deal, just start the third movie some time after the Underminer thing and just ignore everything that happened in the second movie
@@ravaniphoenix5431 oh yeah like the animated Cinderella 3 was much better than the 2nd one, which in my view of it, is just like shorts all packed into one.
@@ravaniphoenix5431 That would actually be super easy. The status quo at the end of 2 is the exact same as the end of 1. The Underminer never felt like he was meant to be a serious villain so much as he was just a “this is the kind of stuff the family will be dealing with now,” sorta teaser. 2 can just be one big Dash’s Tall Tales.
The fact that you cared more about your audience who suffer from photosensitivity more than Pixar ever did when it came to Screenslaver's scenes is both respectful, and kinda saddening... specifically for Pixar not giving a fuck
Movie theaters already give out the warnings, saw the warnings for this movie when it came out. I don't believe the movies themselves should give the warnings out before the credits in all honesty. Perhaps the MPA could make it part of the ratings system or ask/mandate them to be put on the DVD/Blu-Ray covers, but it appears there is someone in a committee who gives the movie theaters a heads up about it for them to post up the epilepsy warnings everywhere. It's legit not the fault of the movie theaters, nor the producers if moviegoers don't notice the signs plastered everywhere before sitting in their seats.
@@KumoriGurasu Potential hospital trips is not something something you should leave to the goodwill of others to warn people a out. They were the only people at the time who knew what their movie portrayed. They could also have done a variety of things to minimize the risk outside of simple warnings, but took no action. They are solely liable, until they took the barest of basics to care about the safety of others
Another thought I had when watching this vid? Violet's plot for this movie started off okay, but immediately becomes really stupid. Tony finding out she's a Super should have been her plot, how would she deal with this development? Mainly it could give Tony a chance to be an actual character, does he immediately tell people? Would he keep her secret? If so, why? Does he like Supers or did his parents raise him to fear them? The possibilities are endless there. If it were me, I would have Violet, immediately after they're arrested, _not_ tell Bob about Tony seeing her. She would determine that it's her job to clean up her mistake. Then after the parents leave the motel for their meeting, she can sneak out the back and run over to Tony's family's restaurant, where he would be working. She'd ask him for a second so she could explain what happened, what he saw wasn't what he thought. But after her fumbling to make up an adequate excuse, he could simply reveal she's part of the Super Team that defeated the giant robo a few days back (or weeks, however the timeline is, I forget). And she can beg him not to tell anyone, which he can respond he didn't. She obviously wears the mask for a reason, though she really should have kept it on while she was on the job, which would make her sigh in relief or laugh awkwardly. From there, they could just talk, have a conversation about the whole Super thing, we could pick Violet's brain about a couple things, we could give more characterization to Tony, maybe he really likes Supers, maybe he used to play with superhero action figures as a kid and he really liked Mr. Incredible the most or something. Then the rest of the movie would be Violet trying to juggle the responsibilities of being a Super with the desires of a teenager, with Tony wanting to be around her all the time. Maybe Tony would want to tag along and help her on her adventures, be a sidekick, design a new suit for her, etc. Just make him really gungho about Supers and reckless with dangerous situations, which would make Violet realize that civilians knowing her secret is more of an issue than him simply telling people who she really is. He keeps throwing himself into dangerous situations and causing problems for all of them, all because he knows her secret and wants to be part of it. So Violet can then go to Decker herself and ask him to mind wipe Tony, a really difficult decision for her to make because Tony is not only the boy she likes, but now he is the only person her age that she could talk to about Super stuff. He really likes her as the extremely different girl that she's lamented being her whole life. But she can realize over the course of the film, it's not just a sacrifice to help her and her family, it's a sacrifice to help Tony from his good intentions screwing him up too. Decker would mind wipe him and then Violet would take it from the top, similar to the ending we get in this movie, but with the understanding that Tony needs to remain in the dark for his own protection. As much as it pains her to keep the truth from someone she knows will absolutely accept her, she must make this sacrifice for both their sakes. She has to be the grown up in this situation. And maybe someday when they're both grown up, he'll be ready for the responsibility of her secret. Or, another possibility, Tony's gungho-ness gets the attention of the Underminer (which, yes, I would make him the reoccurring secondary antagonist, more on that in Part 3, I guess), the Underminer kidnaps Tony to draw out the Incredibles. However, this is after Tony's mind wipe so he has no way to call Violet and he doesn't have any of the foreknowledge of escaping supervillains (which he would know if Violet didn't mind wipe him earlier) Then we'll have our "lunatic comes along with a sadistic choice" bit, but since he's the secondary antagonist, the rest of the Incredibles are off facing the primary antagonist, leaving Violet and Dash to handle Underminer's "sadistic choice" bit. Violet and Dash work together to save Tony and other innocent people and defeat Underminer. Dash exhibiting the character growth I previously mentioned in Part 1, dealing with control of his dangerous powers in relation to collateral damage as well as making saving people his priority over thrills and fighting bad guys. But Tony can display his growth and actually help Violet to defeat the Underminer (through tripping him up while he tries to escape or messing up a device/weapon of his, preferably something Violet can't defend against. An ultrasonic type weapon would be my choice). This can show that Violet can trust Tony with her secret and he can take care of himself enough for her to do the hero thing. A balance can be struck, though it takes a clear understanding on both sides to make it work. The end of the movie can instead be the family officially letting Tony in the "Inner Circle", as it were. And when it's time for them to jump into action, they'll have him look after Jack-Jack and/or keep civilians clear while they handle the tough part. And, because I'm a real sucker for corny-cheesey endings, after the Incredibles suit up and blast off to take on their next challenge, Tony's final line in the movie would simply be, "Incredible..." Roll credits I dunno, it'd at least be better than Violet going "mUh tOnY" all movie long ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ See ya for Part 3... 0/
RUclips commenters coming up with better ideas for the million dollar stories made by billion dollar corporations has been a concerning reoccurring trend I've noticed the past couple of years
No, cuz this actually would work so much better. He could be the MJ to her Peter Parker/Spider-Man. (Or in Marvel Spidey’s case, Ned or MJ. Either one) And I like the idea of the family having a reliable person to look after Jack Jack while they fight crime. It gives Tony a purpose, allows him to be helpful to both his love interest and her family, and enables the Dash and Violet to participate in the family business, while also giving Jack Jack a safety net if things are too risky for him. It also also works to break some of those barriers between the allegedly divisive stances on supers. Some people like them and want them legal, others hate supers and think they’re trouble (or at least, so we’re told). So Tony being a support to Violet and her family serves that narrative and moves that story forward by showing that supers and non-supers can coexist, can love each other, can support each other.
This is honestly REALLY good. I appreciate you taking the time to write this, which is infinitely better as headcanon than what was actually given to us in the movie.
Back in 2004, The Incredibles came out. And nearly 2 decades later, we still only have that movie. Incredibles 2 doesn’t actually exist, and anyone who says otherwise is clearly a government plant.
No no no you see Incredibles 2 is about Saul Goodman if he left the meth business and had an evil sister trying to get hero's legal again to get that bag
I’m sure someone else has said this already, but Jack Jack is a Polymorph, and a particularly strong one at that. In a deleted scene and in a throw away line in the movie Edna says that all super babies start off this way, bouncing from one power to the next until they finally land on one power. (Maybe two in Violet’s case) Of course, if you cross reference that with ANOTHER bit of bonus material from the two disc special edition of Incredibles 1 (which I own :) There’s this special feature where you can listen to old recordings from all of the super heroes from the glory days, including Frozone’s and his is interesting because in it he talks about the first time he realised he had powers. He says it happened when he was a kid: any time he wanted something frozen (like he had a cup of juice or something) then suddenly it would be frozen. Then there’s also the account of Ventress who says she discovered her abilities in high school when some other girl started going out with her crush, and she inadvertently made him break up with her using her superpowers unbeknownst to her. Then she started doing it intentionally whenever she had a crush on a boy, and I have several questions for that woman. Or at I would, if she was still alive. Yeah, why send her up against an Omnidroid, Syndrome? ANYWAY-So that leaves me to wonder: if all supers start off as Polymorphs, wouldn’t their parents then have known they were supers? Wouldn’t they be expecting something like that to happen? Am I reaching on this one? Also, just something I’ve always wondered about the supers: is it genetic, or does it just happen, X-Men style? I’d have to assume it’s the latter, because in one deleted scene Syndrome says that supers reproducing is illegal. Now, I know that that’s probably not canon since it was in a deleted scene, but I still find it interesting that no other super couples are to be found in universe. Granted, Dicker knew, but did the government? Hmmm? Anyway, if X-Men style is the case, that means, like Void I guess, there have just been hundreds of unregistered supers being born willy nilly this whole time. As the first movie says, they are living among us. Average citizens, average heroes. Just… I don’t know what to say, man, that just sounds like a recipe for disaster. Like, how are there not more super-powered villains?
I really wish they would have kept that deleted scene about explaining Jack-Jack as a polymorph. Without it, Jack-Jack comes off as if he's going to be VERY overpowered to Gary Stu levels when he gets older.
Well, Frozone did date other supers which he didn't know until they told him as he mentions in some of his first lines of dialog in the first movie, so I think it would be safe to assume that superhero couples could and would reproduce. I agree with your questions because Jack Jack possibly being a polymorph worked in the first movie, but for the second movie to say without a doubt that all supers start that way makes no sense and ignores genetics and how the first movie understood that his genetics were a factor but supers not having super babies maybe wasn't normal. He probably didn't start until Jack Jack Attack or off-screen when the family couldn't see, so the first movie implies that if they are born that way, maybe Jack Jack was past the point of indubitably knowing he was a super if that's a concept that exists since they already assumed he was normal. Another thing that implies is that supers can have normal babies. Although Edna assumes he has powers, her shock could've meant it was abnormal for supers to have normal babies. It's a possibility for sure. The writers for Incredible 2 just thought they were saving face with that line about ALL super-parents' babies starting as polymorphs because all supers who don't have man-made powers didn't even start that way like you mentioned about the other bonus and/or deleted scenes, but why did this movie use Jack Jack Attack as canon? Simply because it was popular to the point that people wanted to see it referenced in film 2. That also brings up the questions: do the adult supers have regular or super parents (or one of each) and/or what could've happened to create supers if they already didn't exist prior to that time period before they were deemed illegal? They could've expanded upon the impact other supers'- dead or alive- who could've had kids or maybe married normal people since they had to only live normal lives in film 2 and how that could affect new laws and bring about new conflicts for our main family, but they dropped the ball. They could've also showed how this could mean there's a possibility of supers becoming villains and how that could disrupt the honeymoon of seeing supers again that the climax of the first movie established- and it looks like they were setting that up to be with The Underminer even in the beginning of the second movie. Maybe some writers were switched out and we got this monstrosity. That alsooooo brings up the question of who exactly is Honey, Frozone's wife? Is she a super, or did Frozone marry a normal lady and told her who he was to strengthen the relationship (a little irony but a bit of maturity from his initial statements in the beginning of the movie which I think they intentionally did that)? If so, I think it would be safe to assume that, in either case, Dicker would know. The government knows supers exist and that people, like Gazorbeam, advocated for them up until his disappearance (and eventual death) which is why they (possibly secretly) used taxpayers money to help them readjust into normal life. That could imply that they considered that some supers would still hang out together with the possibility of knowing they were supers (like Bob and Lucious) and even become couples who reproduce, but it wouldn't matter to them because they were legally supposed to live normal lives even if they were born or later became super. It would only matter to them when their powers affected normal lives- especially since, at the time the laws went into action, the hatred for supers was extremely high which would turn off any super who would try to show themselves in public again. Then, we go right back into the possibility that supers could have normal babies and blah blah. At least, this is my thinking behind that.
@@Ability-King-KK - Or, if they just set Incredibles 2 some time in the future, they could’ve explained it then when we see Jack-Jack with a stable set of powers.
One thing I absolutely love about the math problem in the film is the fact Bob is shown in first film to actually be quite intelligent. He managed to do things in very quick order to get right on his wedding, knew how much time he had before the bomb on Buddys cape and finally when fighting the Omnibot in lava pit he knew where to be so the robot would self destroy. I knew, he may got old, but still it doesnt make any sense when in first film he managed to communicate, somehow, with super computer yet struggles with simple math problem.
The issue wasn't that he misunderstood the math, it was that hated how Dash's teacher was trying to teach math. He didn't understand it. There's a difference between intelligence and knowledge.
also, whenever bob had taken on his superhero job, he still made time for his kids and was more enthusiastic in doing so because he liked his new job while his old one was draining him. I can understand that bob might be frustrated with having to stay at home, restless and eager to be a part of the action, but it could've been portrayed much better than making him an out of character, whiny baby that takes it all out on his kids.
The joke is referencing “common core math” which uses some baffling methods to get to answers. One that I saw was a kid’s homework asking what 5 x 3 is. The kid put down 15 with the work “5 + 5 + 5 = 15” but then got a negative mark because they were _supposed_ to do “3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 = 15” (despite the fact that it’s multiplication so which way you do the problem doesn’t even friggin matter.) A lot of parents, my programmer and math-oriented dad included, HATE common core because it requires weird, convoluted answers. And if you don’t do it _exactly_ as your taught you get it wrong even if it’s a simpler way. It’s long, it’s convoluted, and I argue it doesn’t even do what it’s supposed to (ie. Help kids understand the whys behind the math.) As a kid with ADHD, common core math was hell BECAUSE it was so long and convoluted. I just got completely lost in all the bullshit and by 6th grade I could barely add and subtract but somehow got pushed along until I was pulled out of public schooling to be homeschooled instead.
@@KlutzyNinjaKitty What's worse is that the basic multiplication/addition/division/subtraction doesn't really feel like it needs an explanation past grade school, y'know?
When the Seizure Scene first came up when I saw this in theaters, the first thing my brain said was "Oh Wow. There is no way that isn't causing damage" And once the scene was over, my mind imminently went to the backlash of Electric Solder Porygon, and how the flashing in Incredible 2 is far worse than what is shown in that episode.
And yet, the movie was allowed to run unedited with no warning for about a month, while Electric Soldier Porygon was only aired once before it and the entire Porygon line were pulled from the network for good. Makes Disney out to either be incredibly incompetent, or downright malicious. My money's on both.
You would think that with superheroes being gone, there would be a surplus of villains causing absolute chaos, like the Underminer. Yet we never hear anything about that.
*Syndrome:* When I'm old & I've had my fun, I'll sell my inventions and make everyone superheroes. When everyone's super... *Chuckle* _No one will be_ *Evil cackle* *Me:* Wouldn't that exclude supervillains?? *Incredibles 2: Enter Screenslaver*
Yeah, I always felt that was a major hole in the first movie. Unless supervillains didn't exist and the superheroes exclusively dealt with mundane crimes. I guess that's technically possible, but to think that absolutely no one with superpowers decided to abuse them for personal gain, that they ALL used them to fight crime (or just didn't use them), is pretty implausible. If anything, it'd be the other way around.
What I hate the most about the Screenslaver stuff is that, honestly, the design for him is *really* awesome. The mask just has this creepy vibe that would feel at home in a Batman film, and even the voice was pretty unsettling. When I saw the film back in the day, I was saying “Why couldn’t THIS guy be the villain of this movie???” But no, instead they basically just ripped off the Mandarin twist from Iron Man 3…. (a twist that, I’ll admit, I actually really like in hindsight, especially since we did get the actual Mandarin in Shang Chi)
As someone with epilepsy I greatly appreciate your warnings! I always really appreciate when people take the time to put in warnings about flashing lights.
When I saw the movie it was the opening weekend. So I had no idea about any flashing lights so I had to put quickly shove my hat over my eyes. While my friend whispered when it was over.
@@whitehearts1390 oh yes he is a very good friend in fact I'm getting married this October and he's my best man. He even put his hand over my eyes for added protection
Brad Bird had no ideas for a sequel, so he just recycled the original. All he did was switch Helen with Bob, which makes no sense since Helen doesn't have the personality or motivation to want superheroes to return. The only reason she became Elasigirl again was to save Bob. I don't care that the last scene of the first movie had them go after the Underminer. That was just an odd occurrence where they happened to be there. Helen would rather be a mother, not somebody looking out for action. She was a different person when she younger. Not married with children. It's like this movie forgot Helen was the foundation of the family, who thought everything through before acting.
And I specifically remember him stating having no interest in making a sequel UNLESS he had a perfect story to tell. That’s why I was especially hyped for this movie cause I sort of taken for granted the same guy who made the first movie finally had a great idea for a sequel, def not just a soulless cashgrab. Well was I wrong
@@fabiofuoco Immediately hype died when I realized this came out after Toy Story 4 and they kept saying in their marketing, "14 years! 14 years!" and ramming it into your brain after they inundated you with Jack-Jack cuteness.
It wasn't Brad's fault. The film was rushed and lost a whole year of production thanks to the higher ups, he probably did have an idea but Pixar clearly rushed him and the crew to cobbly something up as quickly as they can.
Imagine if the actual villain *was* the pizza guy and getting arrested was part of the alibi or a way to get 'inside' to hypnotize people there He could even show up in the background before, or characters could occasionally be eating pizza to imply he might have been there Or something like that
Yes, thank you. The random pizza guy could have been the villain because he sees how profitable being a villain actually is - cool lair, awesome ability...
I think the raccoon scene is trying to clumsily make the connection between the masked thief on TV, and the raccoon stealing trash, and saying that jack jack is developing a natural sense for stopping thieves or something.
@@andrewgreeb916 I don't think that's quite the case. First, he's a baby. Children in general don't tend to think of how much harm they can cause. You'll see countless videos online of kids hitting their dad in the crotch, not realizing the pain it causes. This is also in a world where the absolute behemoth Mr.Incredible decks people without lasting harm. Let's be honest, if we're taking realistic harm into account, Anyone Mr.Incredible faces would end up with a caved in skull.
Completely agree on Jak Jak's powers being an intentional oversight in favour of more funny haha moments, but it's far from his biggest issue. The biggest problem with Jack-Jack is that he doesn't act like a baby in 2. He has this psychotic look in the racoon scene, walks upright with a smug look at Edna's house, and is generally SO emotive. He is ONE year old. He acted like a baby in the first movie because that's what he is. They treat him like he's a young kid in 2 already, despite the fact that 2 days have passed. People like the "aw look at the cute funny baby" shit, but I just remember it annoying the hell out of me when I first saw the movie in the theatre.
In hindsight, this in a way could have paved the way in the financial bomb that is Lightyear with Sox the cat. Where they use a get out of jail free card with a cute character that can do what the plot demands
If Incredibles 3 does become a thing I wouldn’t be surprised if they nerfed Jack-Jack since at this point he could literally take down gods. Again he can literally warp reality and phase through matter.
I honestly think you're giving the writers too much credit with Jack-Jack, because it took me a while to really analyze what was wrong with him, and I figured it out. Jack-Jack isn't a character anymore. He's a plot device. He's become this movie's version of something like a Deck of Many Things from DnD or something similar. All the powers and things he can do don't really add to the world, they're just there for the writers to use as "Get out of jail free" cards in case they write themselves in a corner. It became really noticeable for me in the third act, where if it wasn't being played for comedy, you can tell that Jack-Jack's powers were being added because the writers went, "Dammit, we wrote an impossible to escape scenario! Quick, have Jack-Jack suddenly gain THIS ability to get them out!" The only reason I think no-one picked up on this is three-fold. 1: Jack-Jack was already established in the previous movie, along with some of the powers he can do, so you can't exactly use the "The writers just pulled him out of their ass" criticism that plagues plot devices of this caliber. 2: Unlike said plot devices, Jack-Jack is an established (somewhat) character, not an inanimate object with very loosely defined rules, so it's not as egregious to audience perception. Which leads me to.... 3: Because Jack-Jack is a character, and given who Jack-Jack is, any and all criticisms of his overpowered nature and spontaneous power level can and will be dismissed by the fact that he's a toddler, and if you criticize his role in the story, then surely you must be criticizing Jack-Jack, and how dare you talk shit about an adorable little baby, don't you have a soul? Otherwise, great video series. I'll definitely have more to say on part 3 with regards to the Screenslaver/Evelyn vs Syndrome if you make that comparison. Oh, I will have a lot to say about that.
I believe the ability to phase through solid objects and having telekinesis was shown off in Jack-Jack Attack, but it would probably be a little jarring for those who hadn’t watched that short. And the other powers coming out of nowhere is still a valid point to bring up. I’m really enjoying the video so far. I’ve always loved stories, be it through books, films or video games, and it’s nice to understand where a story/world can fall apart if the story/world’s content conflicts with one another, if I ever get around to making a story myself.
See the powers in the original worked, because we saw two things, he seemed to be able to change his physical body, and at that point he couldn’t use more than one power at a time. I could forgive the use of multiple powers if he was older and had more experience, but he’s displaying mastery of them
Yes, the whole phasing-through-objects was clearly demonstrated in that short movie. I clearly remember Cory trying to catch Jack-Jack going through a wall, only for him to appear through another part of the wall.
I’m honestly fine with jack jack having many powers because he is so young his body is morphing between powers and hasn’t landed on one yet. This was shown in the first movie as well. What is weird though is that he has mastered these powers even though this is probably his first time using them. The powers should only come out when he’s experiencing extreme emotions not just when he’s trying to mess with a raccoon
@@Ferrichrome I do kind of like the idea that a baby has many powers before having a solid one, unfortunately the writers didn’t have that idea when making him have more in the second one
Please encourage Gaming Magic Thirteen to do this: I've seen some Sonic fans take a solid stab at reviewing Sonic X, yet I believe they're not as in-depth and lengthy as the videos you did on Toy Story 4 (no offence). So I really hope that you could take a good shot at reviewing all 78 episodes both sub and dub or whichever of the two versions suits you -the same way you did the Toy Story 4 videos (again, no offence). Many Sonic fans could learn loads of things from Gaming Magic 13 in this way! As Sonic would say: “It's the only way to live life without regrets!”🦔 Amelia Walker
If dash actually turned out to be a genius when he applies himself- would’ve been a better arc than what they gave him… since everyone else has basically more than one ability while dash can ONLY go fast
@TheGlassesPro: Let's *REALLY* think about this a minute; *Mr. Incredible:* Without enhanced durability, he lifts a train, he's crushed instantly! *Elastigirl:* If she can't shape-shift, what use is her elasticity anyway?? *Violet:* Without force fields, invisible or not, *ONE* well-placed gunshot equals death!!
@@JadenMoon1475 I'm late, but tbh I feel like it should appropriately be very quick mental processing. In the first movie he reacts very quickly in the 100 mile dash scene, so quickly that nobody is really able to land a hit on him unless he's distracted or purposefully drops his guard. He also stumbles down a pit during his chase and doesn't crash into the wall, but instead gets back up even when running through uneven jungle terrain. He also is able to run up slippery cave walls and expertly dash back onto water as well as immediately turn around when he sees another pursuer without losing enough speed to sink into it. Then he does it again. Pretty sure a normal human in that scenario would probably not be able to have such split second reaction speeds. In that case I imagine that in literal minutes if he applies his quick thinking to that then he should have been able to speedrun learning about the entire subject.
Loving this dissection so far. I do disagree with one point, I think the "I'm just the genius behind the genius" line is actually one of the only aspects of the whole Screenslaver thing that WAS well written. It was in response to Helen exclaiming "you're a genius!" and that line doubles as Evelyn saying "oh gee oh shucks no YOU'RE a genius teehee," pretending to be a friend, and that she is the genius behind the Screenslaver. It isn't super high concept, nor is it very subtle, but I feel like if the surrounding Screenslaver plot wasn't dumb and she was an actual unexpected twist villain, then the line could stay the same and be praised instead of criticized. But because the twist as it is sucks and is obvious, the line seems heavy handed and poorly written. Either way it is cheesy lol
Personally, I'm surprise that people get up on that twist. I just think it would have been unsatisfying to some, no matter what happened because the only other thing they really could have done is just make the son be the bad guy and essentially say he was too good to be true. It would have been obvious no matter which way it went.
Yeah I confess I’m slow to predict plots, so I didn’t guess the villain’s identity and I get a tad miffed when I see literally everyone going “grr it’s so obvious, everyone knew it from the start!” Not saying she’s a great villain but people are just a bit too faithless when arguing about her it feels like
I agree with a lot of your critiques. To be fair with the retractable floor thing, it was a popular feature in the period. Certain schools had them. Usually under basketball courts. The remote was prob on the second floor because you'd get the really nice from above view. The furniture would just be moved before it was opened because the whole idea is indoor pool but still usable space. Still feel like someone would have given them an intro to the house features just because the furniture thing likely would have happened even if it wasn't Dash pushing every button.
When you first mentioned that Pixar gave no warning for the epilepsy scene, initially I was confused because the movie theatre closest to me that I go to actually tells you on the front door if any of the films being shown may be sensitive. I don’t recall if they did that when I saw incredibles 2 in theatres but I recall they had the sign when I went to see Sonic 2. Perhaps it was something they actually started doing Because of The Incredbles 2, but still, very surprising that this was something all theatres didn’t already do.
That would make sense because before Incredibles 2, I never saw a warning of any kind about flashing images/lights before watching a movie. I believe since theaters have reopened, they show these warnings much more often.
Yep. I went when the movie first came out, and I doubt any theaters had warnings up at that point. Like he mentions in the video, the theaters put them up as a reaction to learning what was happening to people. I don't have epilepsy, but that scene made me extremely dizzy, my head was pulsing, and I just had to bury my head in my thick jacket. Pixar cares more about getting money than the people giving the money.
@@limabarreto911 That's my theory as well! Those sales from movie screenings are crucial, so they must've wanted to make sure they could get as much as possible.
There is no Mr Incredible in the second movie. There's Mr Bob who replaces the great character of Bob Parr. All his character growth from the first movie is gone, his powers are similar yet completely weaker, and he's basically just a lump on a log in this film.
31:07 I think he’s supposed to get upset because the original monorail scene in the incredibles was part of the massive legal battle that caused the eventual banning of superheros, so for Ellen to say that she not only stopped a train from crashing, but without causality is a insult to bob’s already heavily injured pride But thats just what I think and this movie does not portray it at all if thats whats intended.
That incident was different because he indirectly caused the rails to get destroyed when he dropped the bomb from Buddy's cape onto it. Elastigirl had nothing to do with the hover train going crazy.
As a father I can confirm that giving a baby a ball of ice is super helpful ahaha. Its one of my babys favorite toys. That being said, love the commentary, toy story 4 and this have been cathartic after seeing some great characters and stories being miss treated.
I rewatched the first movie and boy oh boy that was a rollercoaster, it felt realistic wich is pretty nice, bon hating is job and missing his glory days, violet being insecure, hallen trying to be normal till the end and dash wanting to show his abilities at the end they all changed and it was a clean ending till the 2nd movie ruined everything
I would have Bob bluntly tell violet that being a hero means sacrifice to personal life, something like the scene where Helen has to be blunt and tells them the henchmen won’t be gentle just because they’re kids Also hated the cartoon slapstick nose spit thing Just felt like the film was more concerned with being more kid friendly when it didn’t fit the established universe.
i wanna point out that the raccoon has the same 'mask' as the robber on screen which is why jack jack goes nuts. still stupid tho because the incredibles wear the same kind of mask.
It’s not JUST the mask, but moreso the hunched over demeanour, black-and-white colour scheme and them rummaging through something that isn’t theirs, Jack Jack simply saw the raccoon as a bad guy that needed to be beaten because that’s what the good guys do
1:05:28 Just a clarification; the scene just before, we see the screenslaver use what looks like a taser to attack Elastigirl after which her limbs become so long and slack that they become useless. It can be assumed that the reason she’s unable to catch the screenslaver immediately is due to her muscles needing time to respond to motor function again. This also explains her fumbling and bumping into walls as she chases them. Does it excuse the entire scene? No, but it felt like an important point to make for the movie nonetheless.
@@fabiofuoco like in the last video how he went on and on about the Incredibles saving City Hall, whereas if they had "simply done nothing", the drill likely never would've beached and the only damage would be to the banks
Yes! It's been a while since I watched the movie, but I remember the scene having more happen than what he described. The Screenslaver's biggest strength is the fact that they know exactly who is trying to stop them, and can prepare and control everything around that information. With knowledge of exactly the powers that will be used against them, they specifically disable her powers for the chase with a taser. Not doing stuff like this is exactly what he complained about in other scenes, but here he conveniently leaves that out??
You're right. Evelyn really did her homework and knew how to attack Elastigirl. Just like when she captures her and put her in the freezer room, she knew if she tried to stretch, she'd break. Still, the movie is hot garbage.
Can we all also mention that Screenslaver is a pun on "Screensaver," which is a concept that didn’t even exist until around 1983, yet this movie takes place in 1962?
this movie really should've taken place in the 2000's with some sort of reasonable time skip after the underminer fight or it should've just been centered around the underminer without the new nonsense that has been added solely for the coolness factor
Not to mention later on, Edna creates a tablet and ipads didnt come out until 2010 and even Reboot, a cartoon that first aired in 1994 showing Dot using an early form of a tablet in the FIRST EPISODE is years ahead of the timeline of this universe?
I was enraged when this poor excuse of a sequel came out and identified the exact same criticism you've been bringing up. That this movie undercuts so much of the original's themes and obliterates the characters' growth. Glad to know there's more of us.
@@eddiepalmer9543 No. Not even in the slightest, because syndrome is a classic and Evelyn is very forgettable. I don't even remember what her plan was, she is just boring and such a cliche (lesbian). Such a shame, because I really hope for a brilliant bad "guy" who can be a woman. I didn't like the movie tangled, but the witch in that movie is much more interesting then Evil endeavor.
@@MddHound Yeah, the plan was a load of bull. Basically, she wants to brainwash the heroes to do bad things so they will remain illegal forever...even tho she is the right hand of the project to make them legal again and the government clearly doesn't care about public opinion on the matter. She literally just needed to sneakily sabotage the project and she would get what she wants, game over.
@@fabiofuoco I think they were trying to say that a) she's cliche and b) a cliche lesbian. Not quite sure exactly what makes her either of those, but I haven't seen the movie since it came out and can neither confirm nor deny the claims.
The reason Incredibles 1 was so successful was because it was so grounded. Even the super heroes were super relatable. It captured what it meant to be human. Family values, comedy, mystery, adventure, romance. Everything the second one wasn’t.
I'm shocked you didn't address the plot hole of the girl with the sign saying saying the screen slaver was still out there They never explained that, and she didn't have the goggles on
@@eduardoaguero1220 The implication is that Screenslaver brainwashed her to make the sign but it doesn't make any sense. As soon as the girl stopped looking at whatever screen she was watching the brainwashing would've worn off. She shouldn't be able to make it. And her parents didn't notice what she wrote?
I figured Helen was joking about the police radio thing because the key difference is she's doing it as a job with an endgoal while bob was doing it as a vigilante for a nostalgia rush. You're absolutely on point as usual but that one I felt was a miss.
She still mercilessly chewed his ass out for it and kept her kids hidden out of her desire to "fit in." She never apologizes to Bob later or even pauses with guilt when describing those events when she is still doing something illegal and realizing how exhilarating being Elastigirl is. Also, Bob wasn't JUST chasing the nostalgia rush of being a superhero. From his first scene he was always shown to have the innate desire to help people and keep them safe.
Tbh, I really liked Elastigirl vs Screensaver fight in that light box. It really puts you into her boots, you feel the same desorietation as her. I can't say how painful it was in dark cinema, since I saw the movie at home, but the fact that they did not warned people about it is awful and cruel. I even made a comment about it when we were watching the movie with my family for the first time, I immidietly said "damn, imagine how dangerous this could be for fotosensitive people"
Like he said they could’ve gotten the same effect if the room went pitch dark. They could’ve had Elastigirl find and defeat him by having him use the strobe lights in his mask.
The Jack Jack thing where he's trying to murder the racoon for... being a racoon, honestly just feels really messed up to me... He's clearly taking a great amount of pleasure from torturing the frightened animal, that's a sign of a psychopath. Back when Jack Jack used his powers on people, it was either cause he doesn't understand or out of desperation and fear, here it's just freaking creepy with the big happy smile x_x Kid's gonna turn into Homelander.
@@orbboom6119 So the baby understands the concept of crime and punishment, but can't tell the difference between a human robber and a 1 foot rodent? He's using his powers expertly, but has no clue his laser eyes will slice the thing in half despite clearly doing severe damage to everything it touches? Either he really was just trying to murder the thing for no good reason, or this is just another example of absolutely terrible writing.
@@PaladinGear15 exactly. This is pretty embarrassingly terrible writing considering that this movie is supposed to be the follow up to what many think is the best Pixar movie ever
@@PaladinGear15 Not to mention that certain things have to be forced into this scenario: 1. There has to be enough garbage for the raccoon to begin picking at 2. There has to be a black and white old film with a robber on tv that Jack Jack JUST HAPPENS TO SEE AS THE RACCOON SHOWS UP FOR EVENING RUMMAGING Geez it sounds like a stereotypical Hit era model Thomas episode where the writers force the most forced ways of their plots to happen
Please encourage Gaming Magic Thirteen to do this: I've seen some Sonic fans take a solid stab at reviewing Sonic X, yet I believe they're not as in-depth and lengthy as the videos you did on Toy Story 4 (no offence). So I really hope that you could take a good shot at reviewing all 78 episodes both sub and dub or whichever of the two versions suits you -the same way you did the Toy Story 4 videos (again, no offence). Many Sonic fans could learn loads of things from Gaming Magic 13 in this way! As Sonic would say: “It's the only way to live life without regrets!”🦔 Amelia Walker
@@UmTois He already laid down the rules about nitpicking. It's when the criticism is still valid but it doesn't effect the story. I have a feeling the portals you mentioned is going to effect the story a lot.
IT'S HERREEE Can I just say, that after I watched the whole Toy Story 4 review. You have immeidtaley became one of my favorite RUclips reviewers, and generally one of my favorite channels overall. You're reviews always bring me joy when I see them, and the editing is always amazing.
Please encourage Gaming Magic Thirteen to do this: I've seen some Sonic fans take a solid stab at reviewing Sonic X, yet I believe they're not as in-depth and lengthy as the videos you did on Toy Story 4 (no offence). So I really hope that you could take a good shot at reviewing all 78 episodes both sub and dub or whichever of the two versions suits you -the same way you did the Toy Story 4 videos (again, no offence). Many Sonic fans could learn loads of things from Gaming Magic 13 in this way! As Sonic would say: “It's the only way to live life without regrets!”🦔 Amelia Walker
While I personally don't get a severe reaction with the rapid flashing lights in that scene, it doesn't mean it wasn't a headache and eyesore for me to watch during such a vital scene. Epileptic or not, it's a hard on the eyes visual, and they seriously never thought it was a bad idea until post release?! I...how?!
I didn’t personally have an issue with the bus scene. Where I live the bus does come to where you live for school. Granted it’s typically at the end of a street but there are a few bus stops I front of one or two houses. These bus stops are never labeled though since they aren’t public buses rather school buses just like in the movie
Same, but I live in a rural area. Our busses go to the outskirts of the county to pick up people. I remember having to wake up when everything's pitch black, haha. But I guess it only works like that because the bus drivers take the busses home, and their homes are also on the outskirts of the county, so they don't waste any gas.
@@sr2971 Yeah, same thing here. Just the busride itself to school was 45 minutes give or take another five depending on traffic that day, because we technically didn't live in the same town but ours was so small that we didn't have a school. So, the bus showing up to pick up the kids in the movie didn't overly bother me by itself, it was the fact that they were trying to keep a low profile and now at least the busdriver if it's the first stop, if not every other kid that got on that bus, now knew they live in a very conspicuous house.
Same here. I get that there are some instances where the bus wouldn't do this like on one-way streets or streets with deadends, but yeah it's not that outside of the realm of possibility for a bus to stop at individual houses.
for the scene at 1:04:44 : Elastigirl couldn't stretch because the was numbed by the screenslaver during the "flashy lights" sequence. You can see her limbs are completely limp at first, and she only slowly recovers during the chase sequence.
You know what I realized? During the apartment chase, the fire alarm is pulled. *By THE SCREENSLAVER!* That's right, the *VILLIAN* of the story saves the people in the complex.
Didn't the Screenslaver do that in order to make people leave their houses, thus blocking the path of Elastigirl? I'm not saying it makes a lot of sense, since people could end up blocking his own path, but I guess that's a possibility. Not all ideas work wonderfully, after all...
@@tentativaX I will agree with you on that. In theory, The Screenslaver could've pulled the fire alarm only to block Elastigirl's path with the people who rushed out without caring if they lived. In execution, those same people would be dead since they had no way of knowing what was going on in that apartment and that a bomb had been rigged to explode.
@@critrabbit8975 Clearly it was to cause a distraction. But also, why do you think it saved anyone at all? They just died in the hallways instead of dying in the rooms.
@@BWMagusI mean, if theres a fire alarm, most people are instructed to leave the building. I can believe if you saw a superhero chasing a super villain and the fire alarm went off you would assume something bad was going on and attempt to leave the building
Thanks for tearing apart the raccoon scene. Maybe I’m taking it too seriously, but I didn’t find it funny from the beginning. The raccoon looked realistic enough that the whole thing came off as weirdly sadistic to me. It’s not like Tom Cat who is clearly a cartoon character. That’s a normal raccoon nearly being annihilated by superpowers
As an epileptic I thank you for the warning and your emphasis on how serious triggering scenes like these should be taken. I’ve never seen this movie, don’t plan on it, glad I didn’t watch it in theatres no doubt.
I love how in depth you go in these videos like I've always hated toy story 4 but when i watched your series on it there was like a 100 things I never noticed which made it 1000x worse than it already was and now we get to see why the incredibles 2 is utter trash compared to first inform me great teacher and analyst and Thank you for your time and effort for these amazing videos
Please encourage Gaming Magic Thirteen to do this: I've seen some Sonic fans take a solid stab at reviewing Sonic X, yet I believe they're not as in-depth and lengthy as the videos you did on Toy Story 4 (no offence). So I really hope that you could take a good shot at reviewing all 78 episodes both sub and dub or whichever of the two versions suits you -the same way you did the Toy Story 4 videos (again, no offence). Many Sonic fans could learn loads of things from Gaming Magic 13 in this way! As Sonic would say: “It's the only way to live life without regrets!”🦔 Amelia Walker
It is a bit jarring that Winston looks EXACTLY like Odenkirk though. I know making the animated character look like their voice actor is not necessarily unusual with a lot of animated films, but it irritated me here because it just felt like Pixar was scared nobody would recognize it was Odenkirk (because "Breaking Bad" and "Better Call Saul" were not shows kids would be watching) and just made the animated character so blatantly Odenkirk so adults could have a serotonin hit that they recognized an actor.
Dope vid! One thing concerning the apartment chase is that during the previous fight (you might have missed this because of the nature of the fight giving you a headache and you not wanting to study it for the choreography etc.) Elastigirl was getting hit with this cattle prod like weapon that was disabling her stretch ability and also messing up her muscles, it's one of the reasons she was also having a hard time in the fight aside from the walls of the room, having to drag herself up the wall and table and such to fight off Screenslaver before Screenslaver finally fled. So when Elastigirl first started chasing Screenslaver she was still recovering from the cattle prod shocks, which is why she was stumbling against the walls and stuff and not using her stretch abilities until later in the chase (her recovering was gradually progressing and as such, she was gradually gaining back her agility and abilities).
That is a really good point! I was wondering about that. I wish they stuck with that over the flashing lights because that's incredibly easy to miss when you're straining against the lights lol. A weapon like that against Elastagirl would be huge for a villain. Being able to take away or hinder her powers like that, in my opinion, should have been much more utilized.
Another thing he missed is that she pulls the fire alarm in that scene. While I know that it wouldn’t save everyone, it would count as her trying to save the people in the apartment, which he claims she didn’t do.
Syncing up a clip for pretty much every sentence is insane. I hope you enjoy making these because these are truly incredible (lol) and I hope they get more attention
Please encourage Gaming Magic Thirteen to do this: (please treat this like a letter to him) "I've seen some Sonic fans take a solid stab at reviewing Sonic X, yet I believe they're not as in-depth and lengthy as the videos you did on Toy Story 4 (no offence). So I really hope that you could take a good shot at reviewing all 78 episodes both sub and dub or whichever of the two versions suits you -the same way you did the Toy Story 4 videos (again, no offence)." "Many Sonic fans could learn loads of things from Gaming Magic 13 in this way! As Sonic would say: “It's the only way to live life without regrets!”🦔 Amelia Walker
My favorite line from Trevor in this whole part is "THIS Dash would be the person to send the missiles to ki11 THIS Dash." This is just REALLY funny to me.
WhAt?! Disney not caring about their consumers?! Never! But in all seriousness, how did nobody stop to think - Hey, maybe the seizure inducing scene will cause seizures? On another note, I've noticed that in addition to resetting everything and everyone, this film simplifies the characters to an egregious degree. Violet just wants a boyfriend and Dash just needs help with Math. Seriously?! 14 years for this?!
Even when I first saw the film I was baffled the Screenslaver scene with all the flashing screens was even allowed to exist in the way that it did and managed to pass through all quality and safety testings. In an age where all media is constantly checking and adding warnings whenever there's so much as a blinking light on screen it seems really odd that a Pixar production of all things would allow something like that to slip through the cracks
The politicians if they spoke to Helen after the hover train rescue The politicians: you shouldn’t have saved the train! Helen:why I saved everyone? The politicians:ThE TrAiNs WhErE iNsUrAed
Something about the "Math is math" scene with Mr. Incredible. Say what you want about him, but in the first movie we saw him handle insurance for people. Part of insurance is knowing how much something costs and is knowing how to do pretty advanced calculations on your own having to do at least somewhat with accounting, which is not an easy subject to master. The idea that he was struggling with fifth grade math makes 0 sense to me in that context. What would have been neater would be if Violet was having issues with her physics homework and she asked her father for help. Physics does require math as well, but it involves more geometry and algebra instead of basic decimals and fractions. You could have him freak out over them "changing math" because he's dealing with math that he probably has never seen before. Also, they could use this as a way for Violet to somehow understand her powers better and give her ideas on how to create better force fields.
Just a thought, but it would’ve been cool if Dash didn’t need help with homework and Bob was kinda prying him to help but dash was EXCELLING because of his super speed and his ability to (possibly) solve the equations faster than a calculator
For the seizure scene, I think it would've been cool had they given us the view of the screenslaver. Either first person or just the filter of the goggles
What is saddest to me is because of this movie we can’t get a whole series of movies😔 There was so much potential in the setup of the first movie, I was excited to see them grow as a family.
Hey Gamingmagic! I think I just found a plot hole you didn’t mention in your first part of the Incredibles II review. After the incredibles are arrested after failing to stop the robbery the two guys who interrogate them say that the stolen money can be refunded by the insurance company even though in the first film they make it explicitly clear that the insurance company of the Incredibles’s city almost never gives the money back to their clients thanks to bureaucracy, so much so that Mister Incredible himself has to tell about the bureaucratic scapegoats to his clients so that they can get their rightful money back. Do you think that this is a plot hole and will you include this in your video?
@@MrSmitejr To be fair usually insurances companies have the same policies in the same city they operate in, otherwise the competition would be too much. The difference is if they pay more money they get more insurance and if they pay less money they get less insurance if robbed. In the Incredibles city the question isn’t to give or to not give more or less money it is to give money even in the first place.
I'm sure a major city government has a lot more pull and access to the legal system than the middle-class individuals InsuraCare worked with. They'd be a lot less likely to try to rob the city, which is powerful enough to hit back.
I feel like "the banks are insured" has more to do with federally insured banking than anything from a company like InsuraCare. I doubt you see companies like Nationwide or Progressive providing the insurance for banks - if you go to a bank, it more than likely says it is insured by the FDIC. Obviously, though, the system may well be different in the Incredibles. Either way, the point in the video still stands that insurance does not negate prevention (hero action).
I saw this movie before the change to those Screenslaver sequences was put in to be less harmful. I've never had any semblance of epilepsy or sensitivity to flashing lights. And even I had heavy eye strain and a very immediate migraine after those sequences, it was bad.
Great video! One minor nitpick: I’m pretty sure jack jack’s ability to phase through things was introduced in the jack jack attack short. I’m fairly certain there was a scene of Carrie chasing him around as he phases through walls behind her.
It's pretty clear that the Incredibles owes a lot of inspiration to the Fantastic Four. i wonder if Jack-Jack's ridiculous power set came from small child Franklin Richards being a God-level reality warper
Jack Jack is such an unfortunate problem. It really wouldn't have been hard to deal with him and NOT make him overpowered; either he has four powers, making him exceptionally unusual, or maybe he's just got one "emulation" power that can give him one power at a time. Or, maybe it's just a really rare Super phenomenon where an infant does not fully develop powers at the usual rate and goes through multiple power phases before it settles on one. So many ways to deal with him without it being silly. Honestly, it seems painfully clear that TI2 was made to basically just be "The Elastigirl Power Movie" because family and men being competent don't align with Disney's company values these days.
The first thing I thought when this movie was announced was "They should have made this ages ago!" The second thought I had was "Oh... its been too long since the first one. This is going to be bad."
Your use of the, "wow, nothing" clip from Don't Hug Me I'm Scared is infinitely better than this movie. I was furious at Toy Story 4, but Incredibles 2 made sure that my disappointment was immeasurable and my day was ruined. Btw, I went to watch this with a friend as soon as it came out at AMC. Theaters didn't have a warning (as you mentioned, they didn't start putting warning until they learned what was happening to people), and it really drives home how Disney as a whole cares more about your money than they do you- the whole "drive" behind this film. The Cars franchise has a lot of bad moments (especially Cars 2), so most people weren't as connected to it as The Incredibles (which I say is their best work and one of the best films of all time). Cars 2 may have been awful, but THIS is what I saw as Pixar's downfall. Everything from the movie to the politics and controversies in and surrounding the movie just truly hit me hard all at once.
Little known fact, the word "casualty" also applies to injuries, not just deaths or such. So they DO want you to think no one got injured. Very stupid movie...
As an epileptic, I just want to thank you and your editor(s) for taking the time to put in flashing light warnings. Very few channels care to do so, and the fact that you did says a lot I remember seeing signs all over my movie theater warning about the flashing lights, but I think they only warned about the one "really big" flashy scene, not that there were multiple instances that could be problematic for photosensitives - and I don't hold it against them, really. It's a topic that barely ever has much attention brought to it, so I could see how an average person would see something potentially problematic for us and just not realize that it is
Something I hate about this movie is Violet herself. In the original she’s kind at heart, has a natural sense of honor and desire to protect others, has a unique character struggle of learning to accept who she is, and is often cute and funny. In this trash heap she’s rude, arrogant, clingy to her crush (in a way), sometimes just boardline awful to her family who’s working for a better life. She occasionally holds on to her developed character from the first movie but she’s just so damn rude.
I thought it was just me. I hated violet a lot in this movie. They ruined her in this....and made her cute crush on tony weird. I hated how mean and bratty she was in this film
The major issue I had with the film was the character assassination of Bob and the others to make Helen look good. They deliberately put modern themes in despite the movie taking place mid to early 2000’s. So now it’s not about family, it’s about Helen being dominant and Bob being submissive and stupid. Also they made Bob conservative and Helen progressive. The movie was meant to be feminist. Make the men stupid and the women flawless. Now for the scene about Bob being upset about Helen saving a train. Remember the el-train accident. That was the case that got heroes banned. People were seriously hurt during that crash. Bob is upset because she’s rubbing his failure in his face. That, legally, was his fault. They deliberately rub Bob’s failure in the audience’s face to make him look bad and say Helen is the better hero.
@@geggy310 yeah the first movie made a better job in the design of pretty much everything being so heavily 60s inspired. This movie did that too with like the tv shape and like the cartoons dash is watching, but also there’s advanced technology pretty much everywhere (it was there in the 1st movie too but only in the Supers context) and it’s kinda confusing. But overall I think they just wanted to create a diff reality where the aesthetic is of the 60s and I think that’s cool
I spent 4 hours watching you nuke Toy Story 4, a movie I haven't even seen and have no investment in, to pieces. I'm not sure why, but I love listening to you dissecting everything down to the molecular level in a sarcastic way. Keep it up!
Please encourage Gaming Magic Thirteen to do this: (please treat this like a letter to him) "I've seen some Sonic fans take a solid stab at reviewing Sonic X, yet I believe they're not as in-depth and lengthy as the videos you did on Toy Story 4 (no offence). So I really hope that you could take a good shot at reviewing all 78 episodes both sub and dub or whichever of the two versions suits you -the same way you did the Toy Story 4 videos (again, no offence)." "Many Sonic fans could learn loads of things from Gaming Magic 13 in this way! As Sonic would say: “It's the only way to live life without regrets!”🦔 Amelia Walker
23:24 Honestly the movie makes it pretty clear the reason why Jack Jack decided to attack the raccoon: He was watching something on TV with a robber wearing a mask and looked at the raccoon which has that black fur in the eyes that resembles a mask. Since he's a baby, he interpreted as the raccoon being a bad guy and decided to defeat the "robber" to be like his family
I will say, I think Dicker knows Violet and Tony hadn't been dating for a while cause Tony told him he had asked her out, and introduces her as "Some girl" but ye it doesn't justify his uncaring "oops" to any capacity lmao
"Why does he even hate this racoon at all?" - It's the resemblance of the raccoon's face to the bandit's mask in the TV show. Which is still kinda dumb, given the masks that his own family wears, but that's clearly the connection they were aiming for in that scene.
The more I watch your videos, the more I like you. A lot of people might complain that you 'rant' or you're 'too worked up', but I like it. You're CLEARLY passionate about the first Incredibles, and you put your mind to comparing the two movies. It's got to take some serious work. Props to you!!
You're very thorough in this series for sure. I love these types of longform ranty analysis videos, and the amount of effort you put into going over every last detail of the movie's writing in this series has me very much looking forward to watching your past content as well.
I was stunned on the recognition of the Screenslaver monologue because most individuals fall prey to what the scene intends and (most of the time successfully makes you focus on elastigirl and tune out the monologue, if you watch reaction videos like me); so in that regard I personally view that scene in the highest regard because it’s the only scene I thoroughly remember. Though as a person who recognizes the flaws in 90% of anything involving the screenslaver I would like to expand in thoughts that weren’t covered in your screenslaver chapter. (Do not take this as a defense of a honestly very flawed movie, I’m no apologist and I just want to fairly expound on something I liked.) 1. The reason why Elastigirl is probably stunted and unable to stretch for a bit is the fact that in the (hard to see) fight the Screenslaver used a cattle prod to attack Elastigirl’s arm and leg, this cattle prod could be surmised to be altered as from appearance it seems to have a bigger electrical appearance when compared to a LEGAL cattle prod, with the voltage from this (presumed) altered cattle prod I can definitely see the reason why Elastigirl’s movement was temporarily paralyzed or stunted was due to this weapon. Not to mention her being disoriented by the flashing light room and his goggles. I AM BY NO MEANS SAYING THIS IS LOGICAL MIND YOU, it’s just an explanation. 2. Screenslaver actually pulls the fire alarm to alert the individuals in the building know to evacuate and that’s why they’re in the hallway so maybe Evelyn had the INTENT to reduce casualties while also causing a minor inconvenience to elastigirl, an inconvenience so minor that she has to swing over them. HOWEVER with the small amount of time on the bomb detonation timer I highly doubt that the civilians were able to evacuate in time. Overall I agree with the criticisms in this video ま, I just wanted to make sure to highlight these thoughts
You know, when you were talking about Jack Jack activating his powers in the first movie, I realised they could’ve made a perfect reveal of his powers to the other characters if he first activated them in the House Fight scene before the climax. Think about it, it could be almost the exact same situation. And it would’ve made for a great reveal cause everyone would’ve been wondering “Will Jack Jack ever use his powers in this movie?” God I should write these scripts…
23:29 I always thought he attacked the raccoon because its face has a resemblance to the robber when he’s wearing a mask, so Jack Jack thinks the raccoon is dangerous
see but when u think more about it it still doesnt make sense. the incredibles wear the exact same sort of mask. jack jack shouldve been like holy shit! friend!
One big bone want to pick with this part of the movie: where exactly did all the extra superheroes come from? Voyd and Zapman are too young to have been superheroes before they were banned. Crusher and Brick are from different countries; how were they convinced to come to America in full hero attire to just sit around at Devor Tower? Ironically, the only two heroes that make sense in this scenario are Owlman and Reflux and they get the least amount of characterization.
To this day, how and why that seizure scene was ever allowed is beyond me. These animators could not have not known about the Porygon Pokemon episode; I thought after that incident, it became universally understood the dangers of strobes and flashing lights in media, and why creators need to be absolutely careful if their film/game/etc. must have this effect in and how to keep the chance of a seizure as minimal as possible. I had luckily heard about this scene before going to the theater to watch the film, so I was more than ready when it popped up to shut my eyes. I don't even have photosensitive epilepsy, but I've never liked strobe lights because they are overstimulating for me and give me a headache.
I’m pretty sure the robber on the Tv made Jack Jack think the raccoon was trying to rob their house, which in a way they were, so that explains a bit more why he decided to attack it.
If they wanted to make the "superheroes are illegal because of bad press coverage" thing work, they really could have. For example, have the press coverage on the the train scene be "New unknown super called screenslaver almost murders train full of people" and the underminer scene "Underminer declares war on city! Destroys building! 100s of casualties!" with the incredibles' involvement being a barely mentioned footnote. then make a point that some who are directly saved by them are grateful while those who haven't been directly involved with the events only hear the bad coverage. They could have even used the press coverage in the exact same way as the spinning newspapers in the original. I think the show was trying to show this but failed .. or maybe they just didn't think it through. If they did, that's just how badly it failed. Justice League Unlimited did this so much better.
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This movie seriously wants me to believe that never once, in the 15 years that the Parrs have had kids, did Bob ever take care of the kids solo. Helen never got sick. She never had to leave town. Bob never even *gave Helen a day off?!*
True
I understand your gripe and that it kinda sucks that it’s implied that Bob is a shit parent/partner. But it’s really not that crazy, especially for mums with small/young children to never “take a day off.” It’s a pretty common family dynamic especially back in the day (in the West, though still pretty much the case in many other cultures). If you are in any young mum groups and compare it with speaking with older women this fact becomes clear but it’s become much less common nowadays.
With ALL that said, I don’t think it fits Bob’s character from the first movie!! He seemed pretty attentive and capable of looking after the kids
@@DDoubleEDouble that's the point it's not in line with the character. Jus feminist agenda writing imho
It definitely seems that way. It was pretty well established in the first movie that he kinda took over the breadwinning tho. So he may have had certain days or maybe weeks where he was with the kids, but he also just seems incredibly preoccupied with undercover heroing, so unless Helen was really out of commission, I don't believe he'd be taking such an active role
@@ManicShorty He still wouldn't be so blatantly incompetent and unaware. For three months between the end of Syndrome and the Underminer battle Bob didn't have a job. What was he doing during that time?
Here’s a fun little fact:
In Japan, The Incredibles 1 is called “Mr. Incredible”, despite the movie overall having a bigger focus on the whole Parr family.
Incredibles 2 on the other hand is called “Incredible Family” in Japan, despite the movie having a bigger focus on Mrs. Incredible/Elastigirl than the rest of the family. Just thought that was something interesting worth mentioning.
Based Japan. King Of The Hill Episode 35. Karate Kid 2, Trump 2024. Disney Word Pizza House. Steven Universe on HBO.
I would like to know how the Japanese saw the world in the XVII century.
@@agustin12689 word salad?
@@agustin12689 did you just have a stroke?
To be fair, The first film is like 75% Bob and his feelings of inadequacy, him being the snowball that lead to the big hero banning, him getting back in shape and reviving the glory years as he puts it and his past coming back to haunt him. And it's in other 25% that the family has relevance because of what he had been doing. And then Incredibles 2 has more of the family just by virtue that much of the action isn't as isolated to one character throughout the entire film. Lot of situations that have the family relevant one way or another, so I don't think this is in the same vein like "Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory" being more about Charlie or "Charlie and The Chocolate Factory" being more about Willy Wonka, the amusement of that.
Among other problems, I believe mr. incredible really got put through the “cartoon sitcom family dad” trope. They made him the stupid, selfish, incompetent dad. Completely unlike his character from the 1st movie
For real. Feels like I'm watching Homer Simpson
Or/also, he suffered from acute Disnorroyds or Marvelmuckus:
Find the confident and intelligent male; Turn him into a fucking parody of himself, a miserable dumb rock with no brain capabilities and fragile, or kill him off-
Find the Female, turn her into a *"Strong independent Woman"*, give her All of the attention and make her superior to her Male counterpart in all ways
Its the Bad writing and Female supremacy infection that Disney has willingly injected into itself.
I could see Bob making a lot of the mistakes he does, like taking Violet to the restaurant thinking it was a good idea. Helen would have been the one to tell him how dumb it is and she wasn’t there. He was always good at a lot of things but they showed in both movies him struggling to be a great father.
I was literally thinking during the first video that the way he's being described reminds me of what happened to Homer Simpson and Peter Griffin over the years.
This is what happens when you get writers to fanfic you a female supremacist sequel to a good movie.
Total 180 on all logic, complete nonsense lines about how women are so much better and if the woman had just done everything herself then the outcome would have been preferable, as well as making all the men either look entirely incompetent/like total simps (billionaire dude serving as EG's personal ATM)/remove the character's arc except for one scene (dash).
Modern entertainment has become such a propaganda filled nightmare that it's no longer worth watching.
It's legitimately more entertaining to watch people on YT tear the entire... "movie" (and I use the term loosely) apart with logic and facts.
So let me get this straight. You went from having a maniacal super villain who literally WIPED OUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF SUPER HEROES FROM THE GOLDEN AGE to someone who wants to “keep them illegal”. Top tier villain, Pixar.
The "Anti Mutant Controversy" from the 1990s X-Men cartoon was done better - Despite how *Absolutely Preschool Easy* it is to tell who the bad guys are in that!!!
@@JadenMoon1475 What was the anti-mutant thing since from what I heard it is it doesn't make sense?
@@diegocardenas6494: As best I can simplify for you; The problem comes from humans without the Mutant X gene believing *All* mutants are bad, and not even caring there are those who use their abilities to help/protect people.
@@diegocardenas6494in marvel humans hate mutants because not only of how they look but because the leader of the mutant group in the 1970s killed the anti mutant leader which lead to humans and the government hating them
@@ArkhamKKnight That's it?
Violet’s “relationship” with Tony in Incredibles 2 is kind of like Syndrome’s obsession with Mr. Incredible in the first movie. The difference is, the first movie doesn’t justify that kind of behavior.
*Elastigirl:* "NO CASUALTIES"
*Me; Clutching amulet around my neck:* "Hold me back, Spirit! Hold me back! Also, that ** scream!"
@@JadenMoon1475
Was the amulet a Yu-Gi-Oh reference?
@@SteveCrafts2k: Yes, actually it was
Well violet and Tony's relationship is comedically adorable while syndrome and mr.incredible's relationship is a toxic relationship since buddy felt betrayed after Mr.incredible denied him as his sidekick
@@Mr.Feather130: The *_Real Irony_* is;
"I love you, but if we're gonna make this work, you gotta be *_More than_* ..."
"Uprooting our family *_Again,_* so you can relive the glory days is a very bad thing"
"Yes, they happened! But *_This; Our family_* is what's happening now, and you are missing this!"
"THIS IS NOT... ABOUT... YOU!!!!"
*_All lines ELASTIGIRL said in the previous movie!!!!!_*
One of the coolest parts for me form the og film was that bob was so clever. Watching him be the only one to survive on syndromes island was so cool to see because it was achieved by his wits in tandem with his incredible strength.
Its sad how much they made him a big strong braindead dope. Its disrespectful
You know what I hate? The writers/producers of these movies just do the bare minimum, killing characters personalities left and right, release the mid movie, get richer and that’s it. There’s never a confrontation, a healthy criticism being addressed or justified in some way. Idk just thought this and it’s infuriating they face no repercussion, just praise from the general public.
I get the feeling that they really want to push the "if you are physically strong, you are probably dense"-stereotype, even in siturations where it doesn't make sense. That would also explain why Buzz is suddenly an idiot. He's capable, so he has to be dumb.
I don’t mind the base idea of “excel with a trait in one situation but flounder in a different one”. It’s not inaccurate to real life. People who are smart in one way may not be “smart” with something else. Having Bob become a more well-balanced individual as a sort of repentance for his heroic-chasing from the first movie isn’t something I’m opposed to.
But they just took the flaws too far, didn’t make them seem like something he would have.
Despite that I still really like his reconciliation scene with him and Violet. It’s mature on both their parts. We just had to go through poor writing structure to get there
And as shown by this series, the "big strong" part isn't even as accurate anymore either. His strength has been heavily reduced.
@@emblemblade9245 The thing is, whether they went too far with the new flaws or not, they didn't even need to add them at all because he was already flawed character in the first movie.
The complaints in these videos are so strong. You're even able to point out flaws that would be invisible to other people without going through them too fast
Pun intended considering Incredibles abilities?
@@panwasacz2733 yup
@@bengilhooly3616 yeah but It was honestly a monsterous stretch
Also while being critical, he is able to point out the good parts of the movie, be it a scene, the animation, or the way things look.
Yep.
Violet renouncing Supers and attempting to destroy her suit could've been a epic and dramatic moment but they frame it as silly comedic moment instead.
That's such great missed potential to show the superhero life for a teenager would be really tough that some may not be able to handle.
That plot exists it's called Spider man 2
"I DON'T LIKE THIS THING, AND HERE'S WHAT I'M DOING WITH IT!"
@@eduardoaguero1220 its weird. The Incredibles in 2004 is currently the best adaption of a film close to Fantastic 4 and yet the Spiderman sequel in that same year does what incredibles 2 could be doing 14 years later but didnt.
@@Thomasmemoryscentral I wonder if losing powers is something that could happen in the incredibles
in the first movie they respected the kids but in the second she's just a 'tEeNagEr'
Remember how after the first Incredibles movie came out, everyone wanted a sequel?
After Incredibles 2, not many people are asking for Incredibles 3.
Incredibles 3 should be like Cars 3. Just pretend the second one didnt happen and do its own thing... Hopefully a better thing too, just like Cars 3, which actually had a message to it's viewers, in addition to a new story to tell, unlike Incredibles 2 being "Hey, can I copy your homework?" "Sure, just change it up a bit so it doesn't look obvious"
@@ravaniphoenix5431 Now this seems like a great deal, just start the third movie some time after the Underminer thing and just ignore everything that happened in the second movie
@@ravaniphoenix5431 oh yeah like the animated Cinderella 3 was much better than the 2nd one, which in my view of it, is just like shorts all packed into one.
@@ravaniphoenix5431 That would actually be super easy. The status quo at the end of 2 is the exact same as the end of 1. The Underminer never felt like he was meant to be a serious villain so much as he was just a “this is the kind of stuff the family will be dealing with now,” sorta teaser. 2 can just be one big Dash’s Tall Tales.
"Oh shit hold on a second"
*Delete Incredibles 2*
*Confirm*
"Alright! Incredibles 3, there we go, there was no 2nd."
The fact that you cared more about your audience who suffer from photosensitivity more than Pixar ever did when it came to Screenslaver's scenes is both respectful, and kinda saddening... specifically for Pixar not giving a fuck
Movie theaters already give out the warnings, saw the warnings for this movie when it came out. I don't believe the movies themselves should give the warnings out before the credits in all honesty. Perhaps the MPA could make it part of the ratings system or ask/mandate them to be put on the DVD/Blu-Ray covers, but it appears there is someone in a committee who gives the movie theaters a heads up about it for them to post up the epilepsy warnings everywhere. It's legit not the fault of the movie theaters, nor the producers if moviegoers don't notice the signs plastered everywhere before sitting in their seats.
@@KumoriGurasu Potential hospital trips is not something something you should leave to the goodwill of others to warn people a out.
They were the only people at the time who knew what their movie portrayed. They could also have done a variety of things to minimize the risk outside of simple warnings, but took no action. They are solely liable, until they took the barest of basics to care about the safety of others
Now,to be fair,when the movie came out(at least in my local cinema) they did give us a warning that it was bad for epilepsy.
@@KumoriGurasu the incredibles 2 didn't destroy everything Brad burd worked hard on the incredibles 2
I think it’s all Disneys fault.
Another thought I had when watching this vid? Violet's plot for this movie started off okay, but immediately becomes really stupid. Tony finding out she's a Super should have been her plot, how would she deal with this development? Mainly it could give Tony a chance to be an actual character, does he immediately tell people? Would he keep her secret? If so, why? Does he like Supers or did his parents raise him to fear them? The possibilities are endless there.
If it were me, I would have Violet, immediately after they're arrested, _not_ tell Bob about Tony seeing her. She would determine that it's her job to clean up her mistake. Then after the parents leave the motel for their meeting, she can sneak out the back and run over to Tony's family's restaurant, where he would be working. She'd ask him for a second so she could explain what happened, what he saw wasn't what he thought. But after her fumbling to make up an adequate excuse, he could simply reveal she's part of the Super Team that defeated the giant robo a few days back (or weeks, however the timeline is, I forget). And she can beg him not to tell anyone, which he can respond he didn't. She obviously wears the mask for a reason, though she really should have kept it on while she was on the job, which would make her sigh in relief or laugh awkwardly. From there, they could just talk, have a conversation about the whole Super thing, we could pick Violet's brain about a couple things, we could give more characterization to Tony, maybe he really likes Supers, maybe he used to play with superhero action figures as a kid and he really liked Mr. Incredible the most or something.
Then the rest of the movie would be Violet trying to juggle the responsibilities of being a Super with the desires of a teenager, with Tony wanting to be around her all the time. Maybe Tony would want to tag along and help her on her adventures, be a sidekick, design a new suit for her, etc. Just make him really gungho about Supers and reckless with dangerous situations, which would make Violet realize that civilians knowing her secret is more of an issue than him simply telling people who she really is. He keeps throwing himself into dangerous situations and causing problems for all of them, all because he knows her secret and wants to be part of it. So Violet can then go to Decker herself and ask him to mind wipe Tony, a really difficult decision for her to make because Tony is not only the boy she likes, but now he is the only person her age that she could talk to about Super stuff. He really likes her as the extremely different girl that she's lamented being her whole life. But she can realize over the course of the film, it's not just a sacrifice to help her and her family, it's a sacrifice to help Tony from his good intentions screwing him up too.
Decker would mind wipe him and then Violet would take it from the top, similar to the ending we get in this movie, but with the understanding that Tony needs to remain in the dark for his own protection. As much as it pains her to keep the truth from someone she knows will absolutely accept her, she must make this sacrifice for both their sakes. She has to be the grown up in this situation. And maybe someday when they're both grown up, he'll be ready for the responsibility of her secret.
Or, another possibility, Tony's gungho-ness gets the attention of the Underminer (which, yes, I would make him the reoccurring secondary antagonist, more on that in Part 3, I guess), the Underminer kidnaps Tony to draw out the Incredibles. However, this is after Tony's mind wipe so he has no way to call Violet and he doesn't have any of the foreknowledge of escaping supervillains (which he would know if Violet didn't mind wipe him earlier) Then we'll have our "lunatic comes along with a sadistic choice" bit, but since he's the secondary antagonist, the rest of the Incredibles are off facing the primary antagonist, leaving Violet and Dash to handle Underminer's "sadistic choice" bit. Violet and Dash work together to save Tony and other innocent people and defeat Underminer. Dash exhibiting the character growth I previously mentioned in Part 1, dealing with control of his dangerous powers in relation to collateral damage as well as making saving people his priority over thrills and fighting bad guys. But Tony can display his growth and actually help Violet to defeat the Underminer (through tripping him up while he tries to escape or messing up a device/weapon of his, preferably something Violet can't defend against. An ultrasonic type weapon would be my choice).
This can show that Violet can trust Tony with her secret and he can take care of himself enough for her to do the hero thing. A balance can be struck, though it takes a clear understanding on both sides to make it work. The end of the movie can instead be the family officially letting Tony in the "Inner Circle", as it were. And when it's time for them to jump into action, they'll have him look after Jack-Jack and/or keep civilians clear while they handle the tough part. And, because I'm a real sucker for corny-cheesey endings, after the Incredibles suit up and blast off to take on their next challenge, Tony's final line in the movie would simply be, "Incredible..."
Roll credits
I dunno, it'd at least be better than Violet going "mUh tOnY" all movie long ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
See ya for Part 3... 0/
Either of these would've been more interesting than a total rewind of the first movie.
RUclips commenters coming up with better ideas for the million dollar stories made by billion dollar corporations has been a concerning reoccurring trend I've noticed the past couple of years
I can’t believe you just gave away all these ideas for FREE
You are seriously a good writer
No, cuz this actually would work so much better. He could be the MJ to her Peter Parker/Spider-Man. (Or in Marvel Spidey’s case, Ned or MJ. Either one)
And I like the idea of the family having a reliable person to look after Jack Jack while they fight crime. It gives Tony a purpose, allows him to be helpful to both his love interest and her family, and enables the Dash and Violet to participate in the family business, while also giving Jack Jack a safety net if things are too risky for him. It also also works to break some of those barriers between the allegedly divisive stances on supers. Some people like them and want them legal, others hate supers and think they’re trouble (or at least, so we’re told). So Tony being a support to Violet and her family serves that narrative and moves that story forward by showing that supers and non-supers can coexist, can love each other, can support each other.
This is honestly REALLY good. I appreciate you taking the time to write this, which is infinitely better as headcanon than what was actually given to us in the movie.
Back in 2004, The Incredibles came out. And nearly 2 decades later, we still only have that movie.
Incredibles 2 doesn’t actually exist, and anyone who says otherwise is clearly a government plant.
Sry bro, but goverment pays well and we all have to do what we must to survive.
@@ExtremeMan10 I don’t blame you for your decision, just know I will still call you a Disnoid
Just like anyone who says Toy Story 4 exists is a government plant
No no no you see Incredibles 2 is about Saul Goodman if he left the meth business and had an evil sister trying to get hero's legal again to get that bag
@@Mohmar2010 I thought it was about how one man had an idea to bring together a group of remarkable people
I’m sure someone else has said this already, but Jack Jack is a Polymorph, and a particularly strong one at that. In a deleted scene and in a throw away line in the movie Edna says that all super babies start off this way, bouncing from one power to the next until they finally land on one power. (Maybe two in Violet’s case) Of course, if you cross reference that with ANOTHER bit of bonus material from the two disc special edition of Incredibles 1 (which I own :) There’s this special feature where you can listen to old recordings from all of the super heroes from the glory days, including Frozone’s and his is interesting because in it he talks about the first time he realised he had powers. He says it happened when he was a kid: any time he wanted something frozen (like he had a cup of juice or something) then suddenly it would be frozen. Then there’s also the account of Ventress who says she discovered her abilities in high school when some other girl started going out with her crush, and she inadvertently made him break up with her using her superpowers unbeknownst to her. Then she started doing it intentionally whenever she had a crush on a boy, and I have several questions for that woman. Or at I would, if she was still alive. Yeah, why send her up against an Omnidroid, Syndrome? ANYWAY-So that leaves me to wonder: if all supers start off as Polymorphs, wouldn’t their parents then have known they were supers? Wouldn’t they be expecting something like that to happen? Am I reaching on this one? Also, just something I’ve always wondered about the supers: is it genetic, or does it just happen, X-Men style? I’d have to assume it’s the latter, because in one deleted scene Syndrome says that supers reproducing is illegal. Now, I know that that’s probably not canon since it was in a deleted scene, but I still find it interesting that no other super couples are to be found in universe. Granted, Dicker knew, but did the government? Hmmm? Anyway, if X-Men style is the case, that means, like Void I guess, there have just been hundreds of unregistered supers being born willy nilly this whole time. As the first movie says, they are living among us. Average citizens, average heroes. Just… I don’t know what to say, man, that just sounds like a recipe for disaster. Like, how are there not more super-powered villains?
I really wish they would have kept that deleted scene about explaining Jack-Jack as a polymorph. Without it, Jack-Jack comes off as if he's going to be VERY overpowered to Gary Stu levels when he gets older.
Well, Frozone did date other supers which he didn't know until they told him as he mentions in some of his first lines of dialog in the first movie, so I think it would be safe to assume that superhero couples could and would reproduce.
I agree with your questions because Jack Jack possibly being a polymorph worked in the first movie, but for the second movie to say without a doubt that all supers start that way makes no sense and ignores genetics and how the first movie understood that his genetics were a factor but supers not having super babies maybe wasn't normal.
He probably didn't start until Jack Jack Attack or off-screen when the family couldn't see, so the first movie implies that if they are born that way, maybe Jack Jack was past the point of indubitably knowing he was a super if that's a concept that exists since they already assumed he was normal.
Another thing that implies is that supers can have normal babies. Although Edna assumes he has powers, her shock could've meant it was abnormal for supers to have normal babies. It's a possibility for sure.
The writers for Incredible 2 just thought they were saving face with that line about ALL super-parents' babies starting as polymorphs because all supers who don't have man-made powers didn't even start that way like you mentioned about the other bonus and/or deleted scenes, but why did this movie use Jack Jack Attack as canon? Simply because it was popular to the point that people wanted to see it referenced in film 2.
That also brings up the questions: do the adult supers have regular or super parents (or one of each) and/or what could've happened to create supers if they already didn't exist prior to that time period before they were deemed illegal?
They could've expanded upon the impact other supers'- dead or alive- who could've had kids or maybe married normal people since they had to only live normal lives in film 2 and how that could affect new laws and bring about new conflicts for our main family, but they dropped the ball. They could've also showed how this could mean there's a possibility of supers becoming villains and how that could disrupt the honeymoon of seeing supers again that the climax of the first movie established- and it looks like they were setting that up to be with The Underminer even in the beginning of the second movie. Maybe some writers were switched out and we got this monstrosity.
That alsooooo brings up the question of who exactly is Honey, Frozone's wife? Is she a super, or did Frozone marry a normal lady and told her who he was to strengthen the relationship (a little irony but a bit of maturity from his initial statements in the beginning of the movie which I think they intentionally did that)? If so, I think it would be safe to assume that, in either case, Dicker would know.
The government knows supers exist and that people, like Gazorbeam, advocated for them up until his disappearance (and eventual death) which is why they (possibly secretly) used taxpayers money to help them readjust into normal life. That could imply that they considered that some supers would still hang out together with the possibility of knowing they were supers (like Bob and Lucious) and even become couples who reproduce, but it wouldn't matter to them because they were legally supposed to live normal lives even if they were born or later became super. It would only matter to them when their powers affected normal lives- especially since, at the time the laws went into action, the hatred for supers was extremely high which would turn off any super who would try to show themselves in public again.
Then, we go right back into the possibility that supers could have normal babies and blah blah. At least, this is my thinking behind that.
@@Ability-King-KK - Or, if they just set Incredibles 2 some time in the future, they could’ve explained it then when we see Jack-Jack with a stable set of powers.
Jack-Jack's power levels savagely tear apart the world building of The Incredibles.
The sad part about Jack-Jack is that with his name and multiple powers, he is literally a "Jack of all trades" trope.
One thing I absolutely love about the math problem in the film is the fact Bob is shown in first film to actually be quite intelligent. He managed to do things in very quick order to get right on his wedding, knew how much time he had before the bomb on Buddys cape and finally when fighting the Omnibot in lava pit he knew where to be so the robot would self destroy.
I knew, he may got old, but still it doesnt make any sense when in first film he managed to communicate, somehow, with super computer yet struggles with simple math problem.
The issue wasn't that he misunderstood the math, it was that hated how Dash's teacher was trying to teach math. He didn't understand it. There's a difference between intelligence and knowledge.
also, whenever bob had taken on his superhero job, he still made time for his kids and was more enthusiastic in doing so because he liked his new job while his old one was draining him.
I can understand that bob might be frustrated with having to stay at home, restless and eager to be a part of the action, but it could've been portrayed much better than making him an out of character, whiny baby that takes it all out on his kids.
Is a joke about common core
The joke is referencing “common core math” which uses some baffling methods to get to answers. One that I saw was a kid’s homework asking what 5 x 3 is. The kid put down 15 with the work “5 + 5 + 5 = 15” but then got a negative mark because they were _supposed_ to do “3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 = 15” (despite the fact that it’s multiplication so which way you do the problem doesn’t even friggin matter.)
A lot of parents, my programmer and math-oriented dad included, HATE common core because it requires weird, convoluted answers. And if you don’t do it _exactly_ as your taught you get it wrong even if it’s a simpler way. It’s long, it’s convoluted, and I argue it doesn’t even do what it’s supposed to (ie. Help kids understand the whys behind the math.)
As a kid with ADHD, common core math was hell BECAUSE it was so long and convoluted. I just got completely lost in all the bullshit and by 6th grade I could barely add and subtract but somehow got pushed along until I was pulled out of public schooling to be homeschooled instead.
@@KlutzyNinjaKitty
What's worse is that the basic multiplication/addition/division/subtraction doesn't really feel like it needs an explanation past grade school, y'know?
When the Seizure Scene first came up when I saw this in theaters, the first thing my brain said was "Oh Wow. There is no way that isn't causing damage" And once the scene was over, my mind imminently went to the backlash of Electric Solder Porygon, and how the flashing in Incredible 2 is far worse than what is shown in that episode.
And yet, the movie was allowed to run unedited with no warning for about a month, while Electric Soldier Porygon was only aired once before it and the entire Porygon line were pulled from the network for good. Makes Disney out to either be incredibly incompetent, or downright malicious. My money's on both.
@@shukuchishikeishuu9540 I still believe the Porygon line ban to be insanely dumb
"Electric Porygon Soldier".. I haven't heard those words in a long time
"Electric Porygon Soldier".. I haven't heard those words in a long time
"Electric Porygon Soldier".. I haven't heard those words in a long time
"I feel the inexplicable urge to find a cape and look for the nearest airplane"
That got a good gut laugh outta me. Very well played
You would think that with superheroes being gone, there would be a surplus of villains causing absolute chaos, like the Underminer. Yet we never hear anything about that.
Why did Megamind get this right when this didn't?
Answer: Megamind cared, not just the character but the movie too
*Syndrome:* When I'm old & I've had my fun, I'll sell my inventions and make everyone superheroes. When everyone's super... *Chuckle* _No one will be_ *Evil cackle*
*Me:* Wouldn't that exclude supervillains??
*Incredibles 2: Enter Screenslaver*
Yeah, I always felt that was a major hole in the first movie. Unless supervillains didn't exist and the superheroes exclusively dealt with mundane crimes. I guess that's technically possible, but to think that absolutely no one with superpowers decided to abuse them for personal gain, that they ALL used them to fight crime (or just didn't use them), is pretty implausible. If anything, it'd be the other way around.
What I hate the most about the Screenslaver stuff is that, honestly, the design for him is *really* awesome. The mask just has this creepy vibe that would feel at home in a Batman film, and even the voice was pretty unsettling. When I saw the film back in the day, I was saying “Why couldn’t THIS guy be the villain of this movie???”
But no, instead they basically just ripped off the Mandarin twist from Iron Man 3…. (a twist that, I’ll admit, I actually really like in hindsight, especially since we did get the actual Mandarin in Shang Chi)
Him?
Was just a mind controlled puppet?
He's a prop.
She would have done it herself if the writers weren't trying to do a lazy bait and switch
I might enjoy that twist too, if only it wasn't for Tony dying in Endgame. Mandarin is supposed to be an *Iron Man villain,* after all.
As someone with epilepsy I greatly appreciate your warnings! I always really appreciate when people take the time to put in warnings about flashing lights.
You are seizure away from everything huh?
When that scene happened in the movie seeing it for the first time I had to close my eyes for a few seconds until it was over
When I saw the movie it was the opening weekend. So I had no idea about any flashing lights so I had to put quickly shove my hat over my eyes. While my friend whispered when it was over.
@@loganater5004 You are very lucky to have your friend with you.
@@whitehearts1390 oh yes he is a very good friend in fact I'm getting married this October and he's my best man. He even put his hand over my eyes for added protection
Brad Bird had no ideas for a sequel, so he just recycled the original. All he did was switch Helen with Bob, which makes no sense since Helen doesn't have the personality or motivation to want superheroes to return. The only reason she became Elasigirl again was to save Bob. I don't care that the last scene of the first movie had them go after the Underminer. That was just an odd occurrence where they happened to be there.
Helen would rather be a mother, not somebody looking out for action. She was a different person when she younger. Not married with children. It's like this movie forgot Helen was the foundation of the family, who thought everything through before acting.
This was part of the beginning of the end of smart writing for the company.
And I specifically remember him stating having no interest in making a sequel UNLESS he had a perfect story to tell.
That’s why I was especially hyped for this movie cause I sort of taken for granted the same guy who made the first movie finally had a great idea for a sequel, def not just a soulless cashgrab.
Well was I wrong
@@fabiofuoco I knew it was going to be bad the moment the first teaser for the movie was just "Jack-Jack so cute!'
@@fabiofuoco Immediately hype died when I realized this came out after Toy Story 4 and they kept saying in their marketing, "14 years! 14 years!" and ramming it into your brain after they inundated you with Jack-Jack cuteness.
It wasn't Brad's fault. The film was rushed and lost a whole year of production thanks to the higher ups, he probably did have an idea but Pixar clearly rushed him and the crew to cobbly something up as quickly as they can.
Imagine if the actual villain *was* the pizza guy and getting arrested was part of the alibi or a way to get 'inside' to hypnotize people there
He could even show up in the background before, or characters could occasionally be eating pizza to imply he might have been there
Or something like that
Yes, thank you.
The random pizza guy could have been the villain because he sees how profitable being a villain actually is - cool lair, awesome ability...
Plus it would be a subversion. Suggesting Evelyn is the villain only for it to be the pizza guy.
I think the raccoon scene is trying to clumsily make the connection between the masked thief on TV, and the raccoon stealing trash, and saying that jack jack is developing a natural sense for stopping thieves or something.
Stopping is the wrong word, Jack jack had fully intended to murder that racoon.
Something is rather messed up about that concept.
@@andrewgreeb916 jack jack’s a psychopath
@@fabiofuoco now THERE'S a sequel!!!
@@andrewgreeb916 I don't think that's quite the case. First, he's a baby. Children in general don't tend to think of how much harm they can cause. You'll see countless videos online of kids hitting their dad in the crotch, not realizing the pain it causes. This is also in a world where the absolute behemoth Mr.Incredible decks people without lasting harm. Let's be honest, if we're taking realistic harm into account, Anyone Mr.Incredible faces would end up with a caved in skull.
Anti hero Jack is seriously a movie I'd like to see.
Completely agree on Jak Jak's powers being an intentional oversight in favour of more funny haha moments, but it's far from his biggest issue.
The biggest problem with Jack-Jack is that he doesn't act like a baby in 2. He has this psychotic look in the racoon scene, walks upright with a smug look at Edna's house, and is generally SO emotive.
He is ONE year old. He acted like a baby in the first movie because that's what he is. They treat him like he's a young kid in 2 already, despite the fact that 2 days have passed.
People like the "aw look at the cute funny baby" shit, but I just remember it annoying the hell out of me when I first saw the movie in the theatre.
In hindsight, this in a way could have paved the way in the financial bomb that is Lightyear with Sox the cat.
Where they use a get out of jail free card with a cute character that can do what the plot demands
If Incredibles 3 does become a thing I wouldn’t be surprised if they nerfed Jack-Jack since at this point he could literally take down gods. Again he can literally warp reality and phase through matter.
I honestly think you're giving the writers too much credit with Jack-Jack, because it took me a while to really analyze what was wrong with him, and I figured it out.
Jack-Jack isn't a character anymore. He's a plot device.
He's become this movie's version of something like a Deck of Many Things from DnD or something similar. All the powers and things he can do don't really add to the world, they're just there for the writers to use as "Get out of jail free" cards in case they write themselves in a corner. It became really noticeable for me in the third act, where if it wasn't being played for comedy, you can tell that Jack-Jack's powers were being added because the writers went, "Dammit, we wrote an impossible to escape scenario! Quick, have Jack-Jack suddenly gain THIS ability to get them out!" The only reason I think no-one picked up on this is three-fold.
1: Jack-Jack was already established in the previous movie, along with some of the powers he can do, so you can't exactly use the "The writers just pulled him out of their ass" criticism that plagues plot devices of this caliber.
2: Unlike said plot devices, Jack-Jack is an established (somewhat) character, not an inanimate object with very loosely defined rules, so it's not as egregious to audience perception. Which leads me to....
3: Because Jack-Jack is a character, and given who Jack-Jack is, any and all criticisms of his overpowered nature and spontaneous power level can and will be dismissed by the fact that he's a toddler, and if you criticize his role in the story, then surely you must be criticizing Jack-Jack, and how dare you talk shit about an adorable little baby, don't you have a soul?
Otherwise, great video series. I'll definitely have more to say on part 3 with regards to the Screenslaver/Evelyn vs Syndrome if you make that comparison. Oh, I will have a lot to say about that.
I believe the ability to phase through solid objects and having telekinesis was shown off in Jack-Jack Attack, but it would probably be a little jarring for those who hadn’t watched that short. And the other powers coming out of nowhere is still a valid point to bring up.
I’m really enjoying the video so far. I’ve always loved stories, be it through books, films or video games, and it’s nice to understand where a story/world can fall apart if the story/world’s content conflicts with one another, if I ever get around to making a story myself.
See the powers in the original worked, because we saw two things, he seemed to be able to change his physical body, and at that point he couldn’t use more than one power at a time. I could forgive the use of multiple powers if he was older and had more experience, but he’s displaying mastery of them
Yes, the whole phasing-through-objects was clearly demonstrated in that short movie. I clearly remember Cory trying to catch Jack-Jack going through a wall, only for him to appear through another part of the wall.
I’m honestly fine with jack jack having many powers because he is so young his body is morphing between powers and hasn’t landed on one yet. This was shown in the first movie as well. What is weird though is that he has mastered these powers even though this is probably his first time using them. The powers should only come out when he’s experiencing extreme emotions not just when he’s trying to mess with a raccoon
@@Ferrichrome I do kind of like the idea that a baby has many powers before having a solid one, unfortunately the writers didn’t have that idea when making him have more in the second one
@@awsomedude23456 Didn't Edna said that powers work like that?
Just taking a moment to appreciate how masterfully edited this video is.
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If dash actually turned out to be a genius when he applies himself- would’ve been a better arc than what they gave him… since everyone else has basically more than one ability while dash can ONLY go fast
@TheGlassesPro: Let's *REALLY* think about this a minute;
*Mr. Incredible:* Without enhanced durability, he lifts a train, he's crushed instantly!
*Elastigirl:* If she can't shape-shift, what use is her elasticity anyway??
*Violet:* Without force fields, invisible or not, *ONE* well-placed gunshot equals death!!
@@JadenMoon1475 I'm late, but tbh I feel like it should appropriately be very quick mental processing.
In the first movie he reacts very quickly in the 100 mile dash scene, so quickly that nobody is really able to land a hit on him unless he's distracted or purposefully drops his guard. He also stumbles down a pit during his chase and doesn't crash into the wall, but instead gets back up even when running through uneven jungle terrain. He also is able to run up slippery cave walls and expertly dash back onto water as well as immediately turn around when he sees another pursuer without losing enough speed to sink into it. Then he does it again.
Pretty sure a normal human in that scenario would probably not be able to have such split second reaction speeds.
In that case I imagine that in literal minutes if he applies his quick thinking to that then he should have been able to speedrun learning about the entire subject.
Loving this dissection so far. I do disagree with one point, I think the "I'm just the genius behind the genius" line is actually one of the only aspects of the whole Screenslaver thing that WAS well written. It was in response to Helen exclaiming "you're a genius!" and that line doubles as Evelyn saying "oh gee oh shucks no YOU'RE a genius teehee," pretending to be a friend, and that she is the genius behind the Screenslaver. It isn't super high concept, nor is it very subtle, but I feel like if the surrounding Screenslaver plot wasn't dumb and she was an actual unexpected twist villain, then the line could stay the same and be praised instead of criticized. But because the twist as it is sucks and is obvious, the line seems heavy handed and poorly written. Either way it is cheesy lol
Personally, I'm surprise that people get up on that twist. I just think it would have been unsatisfying to some, no matter what happened because the only other thing they really could have done is just make the son be the bad guy and essentially say he was too good to be true. It would have been obvious no matter which way it went.
Yeah I confess I’m slow to predict plots, so I didn’t guess the villain’s identity and I get a tad miffed when I see literally everyone going “grr it’s so obvious, everyone knew it from the start!”
Not saying she’s a great villain but people are just a bit too faithless when arguing about her it feels like
@@emblemblade9245Well you're also slow to predict plots, so you're also at a disadvantage unlike a lot of people.
When you finish with the Incredibles, I’m gonna wait for “How Frozen 2 destroyed everything”
I thought this was a joke comment. Like "When did Frozone get his own movie and a sequel?". I am stupid.
I still want How Ralph Breaks the Internet Destroyed Everything
@@silverscorpio24 same
@@silverscorpio24 I want him to rip into that shit so bad bro, that sequel literally ruined one of my favourite Disney films of all time
@@NukaCorgi Dont regret passing on the Ralph sequel bluray
I agree with a lot of your critiques. To be fair with the retractable floor thing, it was a popular feature in the period. Certain schools had them. Usually under basketball courts.
The remote was prob on the second floor because you'd get the really nice from above view.
The furniture would just be moved before it was opened because the whole idea is indoor pool but still usable space.
Still feel like someone would have given them an intro to the house features just because the furniture thing likely would have happened even if it wasn't Dash pushing every button.
When you first mentioned that Pixar gave no warning for the epilepsy scene, initially I was confused because the movie theatre closest to me that I go to actually tells you on the front door if any of the films being shown may be sensitive. I don’t recall if they did that when I saw incredibles 2 in theatres but I recall they had the sign when I went to see Sonic 2. Perhaps it was something they actually started doing Because of The Incredbles 2, but still, very surprising that this was something all theatres didn’t already do.
That would make sense because before Incredibles 2, I never saw a warning of any kind about flashing images/lights before watching a movie. I believe since theaters have reopened, they show these warnings much more often.
Yep. I went when the movie first came out, and I doubt any theaters had warnings up at that point. Like he mentions in the video, the theaters put them up as a reaction to learning what was happening to people. I don't have epilepsy, but that scene made me extremely dizzy, my head was pulsing, and I just had to bury my head in my thick jacket. Pixar cares more about getting money than the people giving the money.
I remember the theater I went to mentioned the flashing lights and epilepsy warning
I wonder if they forced it internationally. At least the one I went to in Brazil did have a warning.
@@limabarreto911 That's my theory as well! Those sales from movie screenings are crucial, so they must've wanted to make sure they could get as much as possible.
There is no Mr Incredible in the second movie. There's Mr Bob who replaces the great character of Bob Parr. All his character growth from the first movie is gone, his powers are similar yet completely weaker, and he's basically just a lump on a log in this film.
Ah. So similar to Jake Skywalker in Last Jedi? You're seeing an unnatural double?
31:07 I think he’s supposed to get upset because the original monorail scene in the incredibles was part of the massive legal battle that caused the eventual banning of superheros, so for Ellen to say that she not only stopped a train from crashing, but without causality is a insult to bob’s already heavily injured pride
But thats just what I think and this movie does not portray it at all if thats whats intended.
That incident was different because he indirectly caused the rails to get destroyed when he dropped the bomb from Buddy's cape onto it. Elastigirl had nothing to do with the hover train going crazy.
The underminer was throwing hands with Mr. Incredible. If Elastigirl fought him alone he'd rip her in half.
A nerfed Mr Incredible
@@chibi_jojo9000 A sometimes nerfed Mr. Incredible.
As a father I can confirm that giving a baby a ball of ice is super helpful ahaha. Its one of my babys favorite toys. That being said, love the commentary, toy story 4 and this have been cathartic after seeing some great characters and stories being miss treated.
I love how GamingMagic finds inconsistencies in the most random things like Bob not letting Dash have a sugary cereal.
I rewatched the first movie and boy oh boy that was a rollercoaster, it felt realistic wich is pretty nice, bon hating is job and missing his glory days, violet being insecure, hallen trying to be normal till the end and dash wanting to show his abilities at the end they all changed and it was a clean ending till the 2nd movie ruined everything
Who's Bon?
@@peterrealar2.067 bob
@@achewy7700 I was poking at the typo. I knew that.
Bon?! Hallen?! Who are you people?!
I would have Bob bluntly tell violet that being a hero means sacrifice to personal life, something like the scene where Helen has to be blunt and tells them the henchmen won’t be gentle just because they’re kids
Also hated the cartoon slapstick nose spit thing
Just felt like the film was more concerned with being more kid friendly when it didn’t fit the established universe.
i wanna point out that the raccoon has the same 'mask' as the robber on screen which is why jack jack goes nuts. still stupid tho because the incredibles wear the same kind of mask.
OH LOL! Yes, I never thought about the Incredible's wearing the same mask!
It’s not JUST the mask, but moreso the hunched over demeanour, black-and-white colour scheme and them rummaging through something that isn’t theirs, Jack Jack simply saw the raccoon as a bad guy that needed to be beaten because that’s what the good guys do
Jack-Jack isn't even a year old and you think he's mart enough to distinguish between good and bad guys?
@@silverscorpio24 And if Jack knows about good and bad, then why doesn't he know why murder is bad.
1:05:28
Just a clarification; the scene just before, we see the screenslaver use what looks like a taser to attack Elastigirl after which her limbs become so long and slack that they become useless. It can be assumed that the reason she’s unable to catch the screenslaver immediately is due to her muscles needing time to respond to motor function again. This also explains her fumbling and bumping into walls as she chases them. Does it excuse the entire scene? No, but it felt like an important point to make for the movie nonetheless.
Yeah sometimes he misses key parts and it’s especially annoying since he goes on and on about it…
@@fabiofuoco like in the last video how he went on and on about the Incredibles saving City Hall, whereas if they had "simply done nothing", the drill likely never would've beached and the only damage would be to the banks
Yes! It's been a while since I watched the movie, but I remember the scene having more happen than what he described.
The Screenslaver's biggest strength is the fact that they know exactly who is trying to stop them, and can prepare and control everything around that information. With knowledge of exactly the powers that will be used against them, they specifically disable her powers for the chase with a taser. Not doing stuff like this is exactly what he complained about in other scenes, but here he conveniently leaves that out??
Granted it's inside the seizure procedure scene which he didn't wanna have to study and stare at in editing
You're right. Evelyn really did her homework and knew how to attack Elastigirl. Just like when she captures her and put her in the freezer room, she knew if she tried to stretch, she'd break. Still, the movie is hot garbage.
“Helen tries on her new suit which she’s not too keen about wearing, but, you know.”
“New costumes mean new toys to sell.”
LOL 😂
Can we all also mention that Screenslaver is a pun on "Screensaver," which is a concept that didn’t even exist until around 1983, yet this movie takes place in 1962?
this movie really should've taken place in the 2000's with some sort of reasonable time skip after the underminer fight
or it should've just been centered around the underminer without the new nonsense that has been added solely for the coolness factor
Not to mention later on, Edna creates a tablet and ipads didnt come out until 2010 and even Reboot, a cartoon that first aired in 1994 showing Dot using an early form of a tablet in the FIRST EPISODE is years ahead of the timeline of this universe?
I like how unlike the toy story 4 one, this review is a lot more chilled, like he's less mad and more disappointed with this movie.
I was enraged when this poor excuse of a sequel came out and identified the exact same criticism you've been bringing up. That this movie undercuts so much of the original's themes and obliterates the characters' growth. Glad to know there's more of us.
havent seen it but was the villain here as good as Syndrome from the first?
@@eddiepalmer9543 No. Not even in the slightest, because syndrome is a classic and Evelyn is very forgettable. I don't even remember what her plan was, she is just boring and such a cliche (lesbian). Such a shame, because I really hope for a brilliant bad "guy" who can be a woman. I didn't like the movie tangled, but the witch in that movie is much more interesting then Evil endeavor.
@@MddHound Yeah, the plan was a load of bull. Basically, she wants to brainwash the heroes to do bad things so they will remain illegal forever...even tho she is the right hand of the project to make them legal again and the government clearly doesn't care about public opinion on the matter. She literally just needed to sneakily sabotage the project and she would get what she wants, game over.
@@MddHound how is being lesbian a cliche lmao
@@fabiofuoco I think they were trying to say that a) she's cliche and b) a cliche lesbian. Not quite sure exactly what makes her either of those, but I haven't seen the movie since it came out and can neither confirm nor deny the claims.
The reason Incredibles 1 was so successful was because it was so grounded. Even the super heroes were super relatable. It captured what it meant to be human. Family values, comedy, mystery, adventure, romance. Everything the second one wasn’t.
I'm shocked you didn't address the plot hole of the girl with the sign saying saying the screen slaver was still out there
They never explained that, and she didn't have the goggles on
What exactly was that girl's purpose anyway? How'd she know the screenslaver was a thing?
@@eduardoaguero1220 The implication is that Screenslaver brainwashed her to make the sign but it doesn't make any sense. As soon as the girl stopped looking at whatever screen she was watching the brainwashing would've worn off. She shouldn't be able to make it. And her parents didn't notice what she wrote?
Yeah that kinda made me think that Incredibles 2 was gonna go for a more Conspiracy driven villain but nope, just a one off scene that serves nothing
I figured Helen was joking about the police radio thing because the key difference is she's doing it as a job with an endgoal while bob was doing it as a vigilante for a nostalgia rush. You're absolutely on point as usual but that one I felt was a miss.
She still mercilessly chewed his ass out for it and kept her kids hidden out of her desire to "fit in." She never apologizes to Bob later or even pauses with guilt when describing those events when she is still doing something illegal and realizing how exhilarating being Elastigirl is.
Also, Bob wasn't JUST chasing the nostalgia rush of being a superhero. From his first scene he was always shown to have the innate desire to help people and keep them safe.
Tbh, I really liked Elastigirl vs Screensaver fight in that light box. It really puts you into her boots, you feel the same desorietation as her. I can't say how painful it was in dark cinema, since I saw the movie at home, but the fact that they did not warned people about it is awful and cruel. I even made a comment about it when we were watching the movie with my family for the first time, I immidietly said "damn, imagine how dangerous this could be for fotosensitive people"
Like he said they could’ve gotten the same effect if the room went pitch dark. They could’ve had Elastigirl find and defeat him by having him use the strobe lights in his mask.
The Jack Jack thing where he's trying to murder the racoon for... being a racoon, honestly just feels really messed up to me...
He's clearly taking a great amount of pleasure from torturing the frightened animal, that's a sign of a psychopath.
Back when Jack Jack used his powers on people, it was either cause he doesn't understand or out of desperation and fear, here it's just freaking creepy with the big happy smile x_x
Kid's gonna turn into Homelander.
Agreed. It’s disturbing that that is supposed to be considered funny
He thought the raccoon was a robber and wanted to beat it up, and pretty sure a baby doesnt know how to pull up his punches lol
@@orbboom6119 So the baby understands the concept of crime and punishment, but can't tell the difference between a human robber and a 1 foot rodent? He's using his powers expertly, but has no clue his laser eyes will slice the thing in half despite clearly doing severe damage to everything it touches?
Either he really was just trying to murder the thing for no good reason, or this is just another example of absolutely terrible writing.
@@PaladinGear15 exactly. This is pretty embarrassingly terrible writing considering that this movie is supposed to be the follow up to what many think is the best Pixar movie ever
@@PaladinGear15 Not to mention that certain things have to be forced into this scenario:
1. There has to be enough garbage for the raccoon to begin picking at
2. There has to be a black and white old film with a robber on tv that Jack Jack JUST HAPPENS TO SEE AS THE RACCOON SHOWS UP FOR EVENING RUMMAGING
Geez it sounds like a stereotypical Hit era model Thomas episode where the writers force the most forced ways of their plots to happen
Finally a movie critic that points out even the smallest points or things that happen off screen
Finally? Have you not heard of MauLer or YMS?
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And without it sounding like he's nitpicking
@@Mr_Gamer-Random i do think there are some nitpicking at times, like the thing with portals.
@@UmTois He already laid down the rules about nitpicking. It's when the criticism is still valid but it doesn't effect the story. I have a feeling the portals you mentioned is going to effect the story a lot.
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Can I just say, that after I watched the whole Toy Story 4 review. You have immeidtaley became one of my favorite RUclips reviewers, and generally one of my favorite channels overall. You're reviews always bring me joy when I see them, and the editing is always amazing.
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I've seen some Sonic fans take a solid stab at reviewing Sonic X, yet I believe they're not as in-depth and lengthy as the videos you did on Toy Story 4 (no offence). So I really hope that you could take a good shot at reviewing all 78 episodes both sub and dub or whichever of the two versions suits you -the same way you did the Toy Story 4 videos (again, no offence).
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While I personally don't get a severe reaction with the rapid flashing lights in that scene, it doesn't mean it wasn't a headache and eyesore for me to watch during such a vital scene. Epileptic or not, it's a hard on the eyes visual, and they seriously never thought it was a bad idea until post release?! I...how?!
I didn’t personally have an issue with the bus scene. Where I live the bus does come to where you live for school. Granted it’s typically at the end of a street but there are a few bus stops I front of one or two houses. These bus stops are never labeled though since they aren’t public buses rather school buses just like in the movie
Same, but I live in a rural area. Our busses go to the outskirts of the county to pick up people. I remember having to wake up when everything's pitch black, haha. But I guess it only works like that because the bus drivers take the busses home, and their homes are also on the outskirts of the county, so they don't waste any gas.
Oh no I hope he doesn’t read this…
@@sr2971 Yeah, same thing here. Just the busride itself to school was 45 minutes give or take another five depending on traffic that day, because we technically didn't live in the same town but ours was so small that we didn't have a school. So, the bus showing up to pick up the kids in the movie didn't overly bother me by itself, it was the fact that they were trying to keep a low profile and now at least the busdriver if it's the first stop, if not every other kid that got on that bus, now knew they live in a very conspicuous house.
@@FablesTold
Yes, this absolutely!!! The bust driver will definitely know something’s up now.
Same here. I get that there are some instances where the bus wouldn't do this like on one-way streets or streets with deadends, but yeah it's not that outside of the realm of possibility for a bus to stop at individual houses.
for the scene at 1:04:44 : Elastigirl couldn't stretch because the was numbed by the screenslaver during the "flashy lights" sequence. You can see her limbs are completely limp at first, and she only slowly recovers during the chase sequence.
I caught that too.
The whole thing with Violet and Tony makes me wonder if supers and non-supers can have relationships. I don't think Frozone's wife is a super.
You know what I realized?
During the apartment chase, the fire alarm is pulled.
*By THE SCREENSLAVER!*
That's right, the *VILLIAN* of the story saves the people in the complex.
Didn't the Screenslaver do that in order to make people leave their houses, thus blocking the path of Elastigirl?
I'm not saying it makes a lot of sense, since people could end up blocking his own path, but I guess that's a possibility. Not all ideas work wonderfully, after all...
@@tentativaX I will agree with you on that. In theory, The Screenslaver could've pulled the fire alarm only to block Elastigirl's path with the people who rushed out without caring if they lived.
In execution, those same people would be dead since they had no way of knowing what was going on in that apartment and that a bomb had been rigged to explode.
@@critrabbit8975 Clearly it was to cause a distraction. But also, why do you think it saved anyone at all? They just died in the hallways instead of dying in the rooms.
@@BWMagusI mean, if theres a fire alarm, most people are instructed to leave the building. I can believe if you saw a superhero chasing a super villain and the fire alarm went off you would assume something bad was going on and attempt to leave the building
Thanks for tearing apart the raccoon scene. Maybe I’m taking it too seriously, but I didn’t find it funny from the beginning. The raccoon looked realistic enough that the whole thing came off as weirdly sadistic to me. It’s not like Tom Cat who is clearly a cartoon character. That’s a normal raccoon nearly being annihilated by superpowers
As an epileptic I thank you for the warning and your emphasis on how serious triggering scenes like these should be taken. I’ve never seen this movie, don’t plan on it, glad I didn’t watch it in theatres no doubt.
I love how in depth you go in these videos like I've always hated toy story 4 but when i watched your series on it there was like a 100 things I never noticed which made it 1000x worse than it already was and now we get to see why the incredibles 2 is utter trash compared to first inform me great teacher and analyst and Thank you for your time and effort for these amazing videos
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I've seen some Sonic fans take a solid stab at reviewing Sonic X, yet I believe they're not as in-depth and lengthy as the videos you did on Toy Story 4 (no offence). So I really hope that you could take a good shot at reviewing all 78 episodes both sub and dub or whichever of the two versions suits you -the same way you did the Toy Story 4 videos (again, no offence).
Many Sonic fans could learn loads of things from Gaming Magic 13 in this way! As Sonic would say: “It's the only way to live life without regrets!”🦔
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I just love that Bob Odenkirk is the va for Winston! He really makes the character!
His voice is pretty charismatic, gonna miss good olf Saul Goodman.
It is a bit jarring that Winston looks EXACTLY like Odenkirk though. I know making the animated character look like their voice actor is not necessarily unusual with a lot of animated films, but it irritated me here because it just felt like Pixar was scared nobody would recognize it was Odenkirk (because "Breaking Bad" and "Better Call Saul" were not shows kids would be watching) and just made the animated character so blatantly Odenkirk so adults could have a serotonin hit that they recognized an actor.
Dope vid!
One thing concerning the apartment chase is that during the previous fight (you might have missed this because of the nature of the fight giving you a headache and you not wanting to study it for the choreography etc.) Elastigirl was getting hit with this cattle prod like weapon that was disabling her stretch ability and also messing up her muscles, it's one of the reasons she was also having a hard time in the fight aside from the walls of the room, having to drag herself up the wall and table and such to fight off Screenslaver before Screenslaver finally fled. So when Elastigirl first started chasing Screenslaver she was still recovering from the cattle prod shocks, which is why she was stumbling against the walls and stuff and not using her stretch abilities until later in the chase (her recovering was gradually progressing and as such, she was gradually gaining back her agility and abilities).
That is a really good point! I was wondering about that. I wish they stuck with that over the flashing lights because that's incredibly easy to miss when you're straining against the lights lol. A weapon like that against Elastagirl would be huge for a villain. Being able to take away or hinder her powers like that, in my opinion, should have been much more utilized.
Another thing he missed is that she pulls the fire alarm in that scene. While I know that it wouldn’t save everyone, it would count as her trying to save the people in the apartment, which he claims she didn’t do.
Syncing up a clip for pretty much every sentence is insane. I hope you enjoy making these because these are truly incredible (lol) and I hope they get more attention
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"I've seen some Sonic fans take a solid stab at reviewing Sonic X, yet I believe they're not as in-depth and lengthy as the videos you did on Toy Story 4 (no offence). So I really hope that you could take a good shot at reviewing all 78 episodes both sub and dub or whichever of the two versions suits you -the same way you did the Toy Story 4 videos (again, no offence)."
"Many Sonic fans could learn loads of things from Gaming Magic 13 in this way! As Sonic would say: “It's the only way to live life without regrets!”🦔
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My favorite line from Trevor in this whole part is "THIS Dash would be the person to send the missiles to ki11 THIS Dash."
This is just REALLY funny to me.
WhAt?! Disney not caring about their consumers?! Never! But in all seriousness, how did nobody stop to think - Hey, maybe the seizure inducing scene will cause seizures? On another note, I've noticed that in addition to resetting everything and everyone, this film simplifies the characters to an egregious degree. Violet just wants a boyfriend and Dash just needs help with Math. Seriously?! 14 years for this?!
Even when I first saw the film I was baffled the Screenslaver scene with all the flashing screens was even allowed to exist in the way that it did and managed to pass through all quality and safety testings. In an age where all media is constantly checking and adding warnings whenever there's so much as a blinking light on screen it seems really odd that a Pixar production of all things would allow something like that to slip through the cracks
Because Pixar is part of Disney, which doesn't give a shit about the consumer anymore.
The politicians if they spoke to Helen after the hover train rescue
The politicians: you shouldn’t have saved the train!
Helen:why I saved everyone?
The politicians:ThE TrAiNs WhErE iNsUrAed
Something about the "Math is math" scene with Mr. Incredible. Say what you want about him, but in the first movie we saw him handle insurance for people. Part of insurance is knowing how much something costs and is knowing how to do pretty advanced calculations on your own having to do at least somewhat with accounting, which is not an easy subject to master. The idea that he was struggling with fifth grade math makes 0 sense to me in that context. What would have been neater would be if Violet was having issues with her physics homework and she asked her father for help. Physics does require math as well, but it involves more geometry and algebra instead of basic decimals and fractions. You could have him freak out over them "changing math" because he's dealing with math that he probably has never seen before. Also, they could use this as a way for Violet to somehow understand her powers better and give her ideas on how to create better force fields.
I guess the point was about teachers changing HOW they teach math, and how they expect kids to solve the problems.
Just a thought, but it would’ve been cool if Dash didn’t need help with homework and Bob was kinda prying him to help but dash was EXCELLING because of his super speed and his ability to (possibly) solve the equations faster than a calculator
For the seizure scene, I think it would've been cool had they given us the view of the screenslaver. Either first person or just the filter of the goggles
While I - *Thank GOD* - am *Not* epileptic, it *Does* hurt my eyes watching him show that scene of Elastigirl fighting Screenslaver
What is saddest to me is because of this movie we can’t get a whole series of movies😔
There was so much potential in the setup of the first movie, I was excited to see them grow as a family.
Hey Gamingmagic! I think I just found a plot hole you didn’t mention in your first part of the Incredibles II review. After the incredibles are arrested after failing to stop the robbery the two guys who interrogate them say that the stolen money can be refunded by the insurance company even though in the first film they make it explicitly clear that the insurance company of the Incredibles’s city almost never gives the money back to their clients thanks to bureaucracy, so much so that Mister Incredible himself has to tell about the bureaucratic scapegoats to his clients so that they can get their rightful money back. Do you think that this is a plot hole and will you include this in your video?
It could be a different company, and they would presumably be more inclined to pay out to a corporation with lawyers than individuals
@@MrSmitejr To be fair usually insurances companies have the same policies in the same city they operate in, otherwise the competition would be too much. The difference is if they pay more money they get more insurance and if they pay less money they get less insurance if robbed. In the Incredibles city the question isn’t to give or to not give more or less money it is to give money even in the first place.
I'm sure a major city government has a lot more pull and access to the legal system than the middle-class individuals InsuraCare worked with. They'd be a lot less likely to try to rob the city, which is powerful enough to hit back.
I feel like he mentioned this, because the exact words you used ring a bell despite this being the first time I’ve seen this comment
I feel like "the banks are insured" has more to do with federally insured banking than anything from a company like InsuraCare. I doubt you see companies like Nationwide or Progressive providing the insurance for banks - if you go to a bank, it more than likely says it is insured by the FDIC. Obviously, though, the system may well be different in the Incredibles. Either way, the point in the video still stands that insurance does not negate prevention (hero action).
I saw this movie before the change to those Screenslaver sequences was put in to be less harmful. I've never had any semblance of epilepsy or sensitivity to flashing lights.
And even I had heavy eye strain and a very immediate migraine after those sequences, it was bad.
Great video! One minor nitpick: I’m pretty sure jack jack’s ability to phase through things was introduced in the jack jack attack short. I’m fairly certain there was a scene of Carrie chasing him around as he phases through walls behind her.
Yep. He literally put those clips in the video while talking about it.
It's pretty clear that the Incredibles owes a lot of inspiration to the Fantastic Four. i wonder if Jack-Jack's ridiculous power set came from small child Franklin Richards being a God-level reality warper
Jack Jack is such an unfortunate problem. It really wouldn't have been hard to deal with him and NOT make him overpowered; either he has four powers, making him exceptionally unusual, or maybe he's just got one "emulation" power that can give him one power at a time. Or, maybe it's just a really rare Super phenomenon where an infant does not fully develop powers at the usual rate and goes through multiple power phases before it settles on one.
So many ways to deal with him without it being silly.
Honestly, it seems painfully clear that TI2 was made to basically just be "The Elastigirl Power Movie" because family and men being competent don't align with Disney's company values these days.
The first thing I thought when this movie was announced was "They should have made this ages ago!" The second thought I had was "Oh... its been too long since the first one. This is going to be bad."
My thoughts exactly.
Your use of the, "wow, nothing" clip from Don't Hug Me I'm Scared is infinitely better than this movie. I was furious at Toy Story 4, but Incredibles 2 made sure that my disappointment was immeasurable and my day was ruined.
Btw, I went to watch this with a friend as soon as it came out at AMC. Theaters didn't have a warning (as you mentioned, they didn't start putting warning until they learned what was happening to people), and it really drives home how Disney as a whole cares more about your money than they do you- the whole "drive" behind this film.
The Cars franchise has a lot of bad moments (especially Cars 2), so most people weren't as connected to it as The Incredibles (which I say is their best work and one of the best films of all time). Cars 2 may have been awful, but THIS is what I saw as Pixar's downfall. Everything from the movie to the politics and controversies in and surrounding the movie just truly hit me hard all at once.
Little known fact, the word "casualty" also applies to injuries, not just deaths or such.
So they DO want you to think no one got injured. Very stupid movie...
As an epileptic, I just want to thank you and your editor(s) for taking the time to put in flashing light warnings. Very few channels care to do so, and the fact that you did says a lot
I remember seeing signs all over my movie theater warning about the flashing lights, but I think they only warned about the one "really big" flashy scene, not that there were multiple instances that could be problematic for photosensitives - and I don't hold it against them, really. It's a topic that barely ever has much attention brought to it, so I could see how an average person would see something potentially problematic for us and just not realize that it is
Something I hate about this movie is Violet herself. In the original she’s kind at heart, has a natural sense of honor and desire to protect others, has a unique character struggle of learning to accept who she is, and is often cute and funny. In this trash heap she’s rude, arrogant, clingy to her crush (in a way), sometimes just boardline awful to her family who’s working for a better life. She occasionally holds on to her developed character from the first movie but she’s just so damn rude.
I thought it was just me. I hated violet a lot in this movie. They ruined her in this....and made her cute crush on tony weird. I hated how mean and bratty she was in this film
The major issue I had with the film was the character assassination of Bob and the others to make Helen look good. They deliberately put modern themes in despite the movie taking place mid to early 2000’s. So now it’s not about family, it’s about Helen being dominant and Bob being submissive and stupid. Also they made Bob conservative and Helen progressive. The movie was meant to be feminist. Make the men stupid and the women flawless.
Now for the scene about Bob being upset about Helen saving a train. Remember the el-train accident. That was the case that got heroes banned. People were seriously hurt during that crash. Bob is upset because she’s rubbing his failure in his face. That, legally, was his fault. They deliberately rub Bob’s failure in the audience’s face to make him look bad and say Helen is the better hero.
as crazy as this may sound, the movies take place in the 60s, a newspaper says in the incredibles when mr incredible reads about gazerbeam
@@geggy310 yeah the first movie made a better job in the design of pretty much everything being so heavily 60s inspired. This movie did that too with like the tv shape and like the cartoons dash is watching, but also there’s advanced technology pretty much everywhere (it was there in the 1st movie too but only in the Supers context) and it’s kinda confusing. But overall I think they just wanted to create a diff reality where the aesthetic is of the 60s and I think that’s cool
Ya woke feminist nonsense ruining good stories as usual
I spent 4 hours watching you nuke Toy Story 4, a movie I haven't even seen and have no investment in, to pieces. I'm not sure why, but I love listening to you dissecting everything down to the molecular level in a sarcastic way. Keep it up!
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"I've seen some Sonic fans take a solid stab at reviewing Sonic X, yet I believe they're not as in-depth and lengthy as the videos you did on Toy Story 4 (no offence). So I really hope that you could take a good shot at reviewing all 78 episodes both sub and dub or whichever of the two versions suits you -the same way you did the Toy Story 4 videos (again, no offence)."
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Pixar really loves ruining characters we all loved as kids and still have a connection to as adults, it makes me sick
you sure it is not Disney itself?
I think Disney are the ones behind it.
Man idc who it is specifically its one of them tho😭
23:24 Honestly the movie makes it pretty clear the reason why Jack Jack decided to attack the raccoon: He was watching something on TV with a robber wearing a mask and looked at the raccoon which has that black fur in the eyes that resembles a mask. Since he's a baby, he interpreted as the raccoon being a bad guy and decided to defeat the "robber" to be like his family
I will say, I think Dicker knows Violet and Tony hadn't been dating for a while cause Tony told him he had asked her out, and introduces her as "Some girl" but ye it doesn't justify his uncaring "oops" to any capacity lmao
"Why does he even hate this racoon at all?" - It's the resemblance of the raccoon's face to the bandit's mask in the TV show.
Which is still kinda dumb, given the masks that his own family wears, but that's clearly the connection they were aiming for in that scene.
The more I watch your videos, the more I like you. A lot of people might complain that you 'rant' or you're 'too worked up', but I like it. You're CLEARLY passionate about the first Incredibles, and you put your mind to comparing the two movies. It's got to take some serious work. Props to you!!
You're very thorough in this series for sure. I love these types of longform ranty analysis videos, and the amount of effort you put into going over every last detail of the movie's writing in this series has me very much looking forward to watching your past content as well.
I was stunned on the recognition of the Screenslaver monologue because most individuals fall prey to what the scene intends and (most of the time successfully makes you focus on elastigirl and tune out the monologue, if you watch reaction videos like me); so in that regard I personally view that scene in the highest regard because it’s the only scene I thoroughly remember.
Though as a person who recognizes the flaws in 90% of anything involving the screenslaver I would like to expand in thoughts that weren’t covered in your screenslaver chapter. (Do not take this as a defense of a honestly very flawed movie, I’m no apologist and I just want to fairly expound on something I liked.)
1. The reason why Elastigirl is probably stunted and unable to stretch for a bit is the fact that in the (hard to see) fight the Screenslaver used a cattle prod to attack Elastigirl’s arm and leg, this cattle prod could be surmised to be altered as from appearance it seems to have a bigger electrical appearance when compared to a LEGAL cattle prod, with the voltage from this (presumed) altered cattle prod I can definitely see the reason why Elastigirl’s movement was temporarily paralyzed or stunted was due to this weapon. Not to mention her being disoriented by the flashing light room and his goggles. I AM BY NO MEANS SAYING THIS IS LOGICAL MIND YOU, it’s just an explanation.
2. Screenslaver actually pulls the fire alarm to alert the individuals in the building know to evacuate and that’s why they’re in the hallway so maybe Evelyn had the INTENT to reduce casualties while also causing a minor inconvenience to elastigirl, an inconvenience so minor that she has to swing over them. HOWEVER with the small amount of time on the bomb detonation timer I highly doubt that the civilians were able to evacuate in time.
Overall I agree with the criticisms in this video ま, I just wanted to make sure to highlight these thoughts
You know, when you were talking about Jack Jack activating his powers in the first movie, I realised they could’ve made a perfect reveal of his powers to the other characters if he first activated them in the House Fight scene before the climax. Think about it, it could be almost the exact same situation. And it would’ve made for a great reveal cause everyone would’ve been wondering “Will Jack Jack ever use his powers in this movie?” God I should write these scripts…
Video request: How Ralph breaks the internet destroyed everything.
I just love how portals is considered the forbidden power to give anyone in any franchise as its a tension killer
23:29 I always thought he attacked the raccoon because its face has a resemblance to the robber when he’s wearing a mask, so Jack Jack thinks the raccoon is dangerous
Jackjack does attack the raccoon because it looks like a robber and Jackjack's a hero and meant to stop bad guys. That's the logic here
see but when u think more about it it still doesnt make sense. the incredibles wear the exact same sort of mask. jack jack shouldve been like holy shit! friend!
@@beepobeepo LOL I never thought about that. That's really bad
One big bone want to pick with this part of the movie: where exactly did all the extra superheroes come from? Voyd and Zapman are too young to have been superheroes before they were banned. Crusher and Brick are from different countries; how were they convinced to come to America in full hero attire to just sit around at Devor Tower?
Ironically, the only two heroes that make sense in this scenario are Owlman and Reflux and they get the least amount of characterization.
To this day, how and why that seizure scene was ever allowed is beyond me. These animators could not have not known about the Porygon Pokemon episode; I thought after that incident, it became universally understood the dangers of strobes and flashing lights in media, and why creators need to be absolutely careful if their film/game/etc. must have this effect in and how to keep the chance of a seizure as minimal as possible.
I had luckily heard about this scene before going to the theater to watch the film, so I was more than ready when it popped up to shut my eyes. I don't even have photosensitive epilepsy, but I've never liked strobe lights because they are overstimulating for me and give me a headache.
You calling Bob an "expired lemon" made laugh harder than anything in this movie.
I’m pretty sure the robber on the Tv made Jack Jack think the raccoon was trying to rob their house, which in a way they were, so that explains a bit more why he decided to attack it.
It was that and because the raccoon looks like it has a black mask over it’s eyes just like the robber did.
If they wanted to make the "superheroes are illegal because of bad press coverage" thing work, they really could have. For example, have the press coverage on the the train scene be "New unknown super called screenslaver almost murders train full of people" and the underminer scene "Underminer declares war on city! Destroys building! 100s of casualties!" with the incredibles' involvement being a barely mentioned footnote. then make a point that some who are directly saved by them are grateful while those who haven't been directly involved with the events only hear the bad coverage. They could have even used the press coverage in the exact same way as the spinning newspapers in the original.
I think the show was trying to show this but failed .. or maybe they just didn't think it through. If they did, that's just how badly it failed.
Justice League Unlimited did this so much better.
the patience you have to make these videos is crazy i could never
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"I've seen some Sonic fans take a solid stab at reviewing Sonic X, yet I believe they're not as in-depth and lengthy as the videos you did on Toy Story 4 (no offence). So I really hope that you could take a good shot at reviewing all 78 episodes both sub and dub or whichever of the two versions suits you -the same way you did the Toy Story 4 videos (again, no offence)."
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Heyoooo!