Questa sinfonia era stata mandata da Dvorak ad un concorso , dove Brahms era giudice. Ebbene Brahms ha premiato vincente questa sinfonia ! E' la prima composizione con cui Dvorak viene musicalmente riconosciuto . Personalmente adoro le prime quattro sinfonie di Dvorak: sono i sui capolavori giovanili e se ovviamente si riconoscono influssi eterogenei ,non si può non apprezzare una capacità ed ispirazione eccezionali. Trovo questa esecuzione di Neumann una delle migliori , tra cui il ciclo delle sinfonie e poemi Sinfonici eseguiti da Neeme Jarvi ,con la SNSO ,su Cd Chandos , da me il preferito. Un ringraziamento va comunque a Jiri per questo ottimo 'upload.
This symphony is not played much because of all the errors in the parts. The problems seemed to have been ironed out in this fine performance. Most orchestras these days don't want to take the rehearsal time to fix these things. This is one of my most favorite of the Dvorak symphonies.
IMO, his symphonies get better in an almost linear progression until the last, with the 3rd being a big exception. It really stands out among his early work.
Yes, a possible connection to Wager is logical, but Dvorak always sounds like Dvorak. I have no idea why this symphony is not better known, or better appreciated. Neumann may be unequaled in this symphony.
Gary Lloyd A bit like Brahms sometimes, quite a bit like Bruckner at others. But you're quite right: Dvorak has a unique sound, with the most affable demeanor to be found in music. Yet he can be profoundly contemplating too. He and Bruckner are most underrated.
Dvořak about Wagner: "Antonin Dvorak's recollections of Richard Wagner(retold by Josef Michl, translated by David R. Beveridge)"Although I’m not a Wagnerian at the bottom of my heart, I like Wagner very much and I’m glad that I saw him with my own eyes. It was during the time when I received a state grant and because of that I went to Vienna. At the court opera they were preparing Tannhäuser and Lohengrin, and Wagner led the rehearsals. Naturally I found out about that and, although the public was not allowed to attend the rehearsals, I managed to get in with a certain gentleman. The rehearsal was in full swing. I began looking around for Wagner and immediately I saw him! He was in the parterre. He had a cane in his hand, walked about from one place to another, and listened. But he frowned and was always dissatisfied: again and again he poked the conductor in the back with his cane and said something to him. The orchestra stopped playing and waited for the conductor and Wagner to finish speaking. And hardly did they resume playing when Wagner poked the conductor in the back with his cane again. As I say, I appreciate the fact that I saw Wagner, but I would have been even more pleased to have spoken with him. But at that time I didn’t have the courage to introduce myself to him, because Wagner was at the pinnacle of his fame and I was still unknown to almost everybody."...Interesting articles. www.antonin-dvorak.cz/en/various/dvorak-on-himself/3
When Dvorak wrote this excellent symphony, Brahms hadn't published any symphonies yet and he wouldn't have heard anything by Bruckner. I think this Symphony is the best of Dvorak's first 4.
@@jannisopelI always remember a quote from Stravinsky's book where he's laying out the historic development of German music: "...Brahms - Wagner - Mahler ..." He thought that because Wagner was harmonically so much more advanced than Brahms, Wagner must be younger than him...
Le second mouvement est très sombre et la fin du second mouvement évoque un grand chagrin alors que le troisième mouvement est gai et sautillant. Après la pluie vient le beau temps...
No Tchaikovsky at all. Unlike Dvorak, who did it brilliantly, Tchaikovsky was incapable of actually developing a theme. He couldn't hold a candle to Dvorak. And Liszt was probably a much better pianist, but was a second rate composer.
@@stevesiegelbaum3534 Listen one more time Tchaikovsky's 5th symphony and tell me again he can't develop a theme. Which is by far more interesting than 1st movement theme of this 3rd symphony, notwithstanding how brilliant is the development. And saying Liszt is a second rate composer is just abyssal ignorance about music history.
Abysmal ignorance? Tsk, tsk. No, it's merely an opinion, - mine. If you think Liszt is not a second rate composer, it simply means you have a higher opinion of him than I do. I can think of at least 25 composers who most would regard as better than Liszt. If you're not one of them, so be it. But I wouldn't get so worked up about it. @@TsangSnake
Well obviously I respect your opinion. But above all, I envy your surprising hability to rank composers with such ease. Liszt opened a gateway to XXth century. Not the place to have a such debate though, but I'm sure you'll change your mind some day @@stevesiegelbaum3534
Thanks for that. I hadn't noticed it before. Don't know if you've heard the slow movement of Mahler's first symphony? If you haven't, I'd recommend having a listen!
@@johnl405 Quote: "Many of Dvořák’s early works seem to have Wagnerian influences, but this symphony is widely considered to be the most Wagnerian of them all.[5][9] Throughout the symphony his use of harp is particularly Wagnerian. The influence of Wagner is particularly notable in the second movement, where Dvořák seems to allude to motifs from Wagner’s Ring Cycle, as well as using harmonies and orchestrations in the style of Wagner, particularly in the strings, harp, and brass" Anyone who has heard Rienzi or any Wagner at all can tell "it's in there"
This symphony maybe influenced by early Wagner, but certainly not the Ring which hadn't even been performed in its entirety yet. Influences don't matter as long as the composer digests the influence and makes the end result his own. And NO ONE but Dvorak could have written this marvelous piece.
. Kertez is my Dvorak conductor. Kubelik is good, but give me the sonority and warmth of Kertez any day. And Neumann's tempo just sounds off throughout. e.g. The Adagio is soooooh slow! And everything sounds disjointed in the other movements.
The Santa Fe Symphony (a very good regional symphony) just played this--and, to my surprise, I didn't care for the work at all--it felt derivative--not Czech at all. I didn't think Dvorak had found his voice until his Slavonic Dances a few years later. I love this composer's works--but this work sounded like he was trying to be something he was not--maybe to impress musical authorities??
Hate t say this but I really don't agree. I think a lot of early Dvorak Symphs 1,2 & 4 for example - lack melodic distinction but this has one glorious melody after another. I prefer to the 5th but my favourite is the 6th. Please feel free to disagree
I agree that nos. 1 and 2 are more run-of-the-mill/tentative early works, but nº4 stands at a completely different level of maturity. Probably one of my favorite symphonies ever.
@@dutchpropaganda558 Dutch, Musical taste is NOT an opinion. When I have lstened to ttvorak's last 2 symphonies, I feel EMOTIONALLY LOUSY INSIDE~!!!! Therefore I will nnever listen to them again!!!!!!!!!!!!! He can keep his goddamned nationalism! Roger
@@dutchpropaganda558 Dutch, If you want to know what "OPNONS" are worth, in Donald Trump's "OPINION", an effective antidote to the virus is to inject Lysol!!!!!!!!!!!! Chew THAT in your Wheaties!!!!!!!!!!!!! Roger
One of my favorite Dvorak Symphonies. I love the tranquil opening.
A really magnificent score. Probably one of Dvorak’s earliest distinctive masterpieces. The last few minutes of the finale are REALLY exciting!
The last few minutes of the finale always make me think of seagulls.
Questa sinfonia era stata mandata da Dvorak ad un concorso , dove Brahms era giudice.
Ebbene Brahms ha premiato vincente questa sinfonia !
E' la prima composizione con cui Dvorak viene musicalmente riconosciuto .
Personalmente adoro le prime quattro sinfonie di Dvorak: sono i sui capolavori giovanili e se ovviamente si riconoscono influssi eterogenei ,non si può non apprezzare una capacità ed ispirazione eccezionali.
Trovo questa esecuzione di Neumann una delle migliori , tra cui il ciclo delle sinfonie e poemi Sinfonici eseguiti da Neeme Jarvi ,con la SNSO ,su Cd Chandos , da me il preferito.
Un ringraziamento va comunque a Jiri per questo ottimo 'upload.
21:24-22:00 absolutely beautiful.
putting ads on symphonies should be illegal
A glittering first movement ❤
Skvělé. Spolu se symfonií č. 1 Zlonické zvony mé nejoblíbenější Dvořákovy symfonie.
Great piece. Wish we could hear this performed live.
Great energy. This
Particular symphony
Makes me think of
The beauty in life
It self.
This symphony is not played much because of all the errors in the parts. The problems seemed to have been ironed out in this fine performance. Most orchestras these days don't want to take the rehearsal time to fix these things. This is one of my most favorite of the Dvorak symphonies.
IMO, his symphonies get better in an almost linear progression until the last, with the 3rd being a big exception. It really stands out among his early work.
Such a great work. Very distant from the first two. Thank you for sharing.
A fine performance.
A great orchestra.
Glorious!!!!! I have been listening to this regularly for several years now.
Yes, a possible connection to Wager is logical, but Dvorak always sounds like Dvorak. I have no idea why this symphony is not better known, or better appreciated. Neumann may be unequaled in this symphony.
Gary Lloyd A bit like Brahms sometimes, quite a bit like Bruckner at others. But you're quite right: Dvorak has a unique sound, with the most affable demeanor to be found in music. Yet he can be profoundly contemplating too. He and Bruckner are most underrated.
He was close friends with Brahms who is only 8 years older.
Dvořak about Wagner: "Antonin Dvorak's recollections of Richard Wagner(retold by Josef Michl, translated by David R. Beveridge)"Although I’m not a Wagnerian at the bottom of my heart, I like Wagner very much and I’m glad that I saw him with my own eyes. It was during the time when I received a state grant and because of that I went to Vienna. At the court opera they were preparing Tannhäuser and Lohengrin, and Wagner led the rehearsals. Naturally I found out about that and, although the public was not allowed to attend the rehearsals, I managed to get in with a certain gentleman. The rehearsal was in full swing. I began looking around for Wagner and immediately I saw him! He was in the parterre. He had a cane in his hand, walked about from one place to another, and listened. But he frowned and was always dissatisfied: again and again he poked the conductor in the back with his cane and said something to him. The orchestra stopped playing and waited for the conductor and Wagner to finish speaking. And hardly did they resume playing when Wagner poked the conductor in the back with his cane again. As I say, I appreciate the fact that I saw Wagner, but I would have been even more pleased to have spoken with him. But at that time I didn’t have the courage to introduce myself to him, because Wagner was at the pinnacle of his fame and I was still unknown to almost everybody."...Interesting articles. www.antonin-dvorak.cz/en/various/dvorak-on-himself/3
When Dvorak wrote this excellent symphony, Brahms hadn't published any symphonies yet and he wouldn't have heard anything by Bruckner. I think this Symphony is the best of Dvorak's first 4.
@@jannisopelI always remember a quote from Stravinsky's book where he's laying out the historic development of German music: "...Brahms - Wagner - Mahler ..." He thought that because Wagner was harmonically so much more advanced than Brahms, Wagner must be younger than him...
I love this
There is the Dvorak essence from the first bar, wow, a wonderful unknown symphony.
shnimmuc I've loved it for 40+ years.
shnimmuc Except for # 8, the early ones are my favorites.
Le second mouvement est très sombre et la fin du second mouvement évoque un grand chagrin alors que le troisième mouvement est gai et sautillant. Après la pluie vient le beau temps...
The opening of the 2nd movement is similar to the one in the New world symphony
Ganz und gar grandioser zweiter Satz. Sehr gute Interpretation.
I'm hearing Tchaikovsky and Liszt in this. I love it
No Tchaikovsky at all. Unlike Dvorak, who did it brilliantly, Tchaikovsky was incapable of actually developing a theme. He couldn't hold a candle to Dvorak. And Liszt was probably a much better pianist, but was a second rate composer.
@@stevesiegelbaum3534 Listen one more time Tchaikovsky's 5th symphony and tell me again he can't develop a theme. Which is by far more interesting than 1st movement theme of this 3rd symphony, notwithstanding how brilliant is the development. And saying Liszt is a second rate composer is just abyssal ignorance about music history.
Abysmal ignorance? Tsk, tsk. No, it's merely an opinion, - mine. If you think Liszt is not a second rate composer, it simply means you have a higher opinion of him than I do. I can think of at least 25 composers who most would regard as better than Liszt. If you're not one of them, so be it. But I wouldn't get so worked up about it. @@TsangSnake
Well obviously I respect your opinion. But above all, I envy your surprising hability to rank composers with such ease. Liszt opened a gateway to XXth century. Not the place to have a such debate though, but I'm sure you'll change your mind some day @@stevesiegelbaum3534
Is this from his analogue or digital cycle?
Just curious. Does anyone else hear the Frère Jacques quote at 29:14? Or are you all sleeping, like brother John? :)
If you don't believe me, listen to the first minute of this and come back here. ruclips.net/video/RXI7KEUbSxM/видео.html
Thanks for that. I hadn't noticed it before.
Don't know if you've heard the slow movement of Mahler's first symphony? If you haven't, I'd recommend having a listen!
21:58 Yeah, Antonin, I like Wotan's goodbye to Brunhilde too.
Excelent!!! Wagner influence is notorious!!!! Beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!
+Nelly Jo Carmona I'm not a musicologist, but I don't think so.
@@johnl405 Quote: "Many of Dvořák’s early works seem to have Wagnerian influences, but this symphony is widely considered to be the most Wagnerian of them all.[5][9] Throughout the symphony his use of harp is particularly Wagnerian. The influence of Wagner is particularly notable in the second movement, where Dvořák seems to allude to motifs from Wagner’s Ring Cycle, as well as using harmonies and orchestrations in the style of Wagner, particularly in the strings, harp, and brass" Anyone who has heard Rienzi or any Wagner at all can tell "it's in there"
This symphony maybe influenced by early Wagner, but certainly not the Ring which hadn't even been performed in its entirety yet. Influences don't matter as long as the composer digests the influence and makes the end result his own. And NO ONE but Dvorak could have written this marvelous piece.
The beggining of the 3º moviment is so mozart/rossini
yup
. Kertez is my Dvorak conductor. Kubelik is good, but give me the sonority and warmth of Kertez any day. And Neumann's tempo just sounds off throughout. e.g. The Adagio is soooooh slow! And everything sounds disjointed in the other movements.
why he look like that
Probably genetics
To Frank McGraw, the 8th and 9th stink!
The Santa Fe Symphony (a very good regional symphony) just played this--and, to my surprise, I didn't care for the work at all--it felt derivative--not Czech at all. I didn't think Dvorak had found his voice until his Slavonic Dances a few years later. I love this composer's works--but this work sounded like he was trying to be something he was not--maybe to impress musical authorities??
Hate t say this but I really don't agree. I think a lot of early Dvorak Symphs 1,2 & 4 for example - lack melodic distinction but this has one glorious melody after another.
I prefer to the 5th but my favourite is the 6th.
Please feel free to disagree
I agree that nos. 1 and 2 are more run-of-the-mill/tentative early works, but nº4 stands at a completely different level of maturity. Probably one of my favorite symphonies ever.
I love Dvorak's first 7 symphonies. Too bad he wrote the 8th and 9th!
Tomorrow at dawn, pistols or swords, your choice.
your opinion is just wrong
@@dutchpropaganda558 Dutch, Musical taste is NOT an opinion. When I have lstened to ttvorak's last 2 symphonies, I feel EMOTIONALLY LOUSY INSIDE~!!!! Therefore I will nnever listen to them again!!!!!!!!!!!!! He can keep his goddamned nationalism! Roger
@@dutchpropaganda558 Dutch, If you want to know what "OPNONS" are worth, in Donald Trump's "OPINION", an effective antidote to the virus is to inject Lysol!!!!!!!!!!!! Chew THAT in your Wheaties!!!!!!!!!!!!! Roger
@@rogernortman9219 opinion still wrong lol. Oh sorry I mean "OPNON".