Darko, this Video is the most useful subwoofer review I have seen so far. It gave me a lot of information I need to investigate further. And you need to investigate adding a second subwoofer at a well placed location. All AV specialists tell us you have no chance to get good bass for more than one person sitting at just the right spot with just one subwoofer. I decided I really need subwoofers a few months back and have been reading and viewing a lot of videos since. Probably the Audioholics channel and Website has the best information. More later when I have a proper keyboard.
Darko, just wait till you run High Level (speaker wire) from Hegel to In on Sub then High Level out from sub to speakers. Now the whole system will have the sound signature of the Hegel. Set Speakers to play down to 70Hz and Sub up to 80Hz (or 60Hz/70Hz..). 10 Hz overlap typically best. Can’t wait to hear what you think.
In the video, looks like you had the speakers setup to around 70Hz and Sub set to 45Hz. If so, missing all the info between 70Hz and 45Hz. see comment above, should sound better. Same goes for App, if setting High Pass (speakers) to 70 Hz, set Low Pass (sub) to 80Hz. tweak from there but most of the time 10Hz overlap is best.
Watching an audiophile who likes listening to electronic music integrate a subwoofer into his setup is the most British thing I've watched since the royal wedding.
Your right about the two subs, was running one for years and never quite happy about the sound, this was with running audyssey room calibration on a Denon avr x7200wa. but as soon as i added another sub to the room at a diagonal opposite and re-run the calibration, everything changed and suddenly it was the sound i was looking for, this was also using Kef LS50's.
@@DarkoAudio Surprised KEF didn’t send 2 subwoofers. Hoping in future ya can add another KC62 to the mix. Especially if you seemed to get better integration with woofer facing forward. Per Zu Audio’s website, “A stereo pair is even better than just one. Didn’t Confucius say, good things come in pairs?”
After years and years of denying the benefits of a sub, because I was already happy with the sound of my speakers (middel range Tannoy), I bought one last year. And now, I couldn't live without it. When well adjusted, the music sounds so much better.
My KEF KC62 arrived this Tuesday. Today is Friday and I think I have it where I like it. Because of its small size, I did try it out centered between my KEF towers (1995 Reference 3) but after listening to it for a day or two, it lacked the punch I was used to. This little KEF sub is replacing a 12" Velodyne that I've had almost as long as the Reference 3 speakers. My room is about the size of Mr. Darko's and the big Velodyne left me with two options: left corner or right corner. It ended up in both spots over its 26 year lifespan. For like 10 years it was in the left corner. After a repair needed to be performed on it, I stuck it in the right corner. But a couple years after moving it into its new position, I had sliding doors put in between the living room and dining room (just to the right of the sub), effectively closing off the room. This change really boosted the bass. I liked that. I got used to that sound. But when the Velodyne died two week ago, a new sub was needed. I read about this KEF mini sub and decided to try it out. Mainly because I want to keep the old Velodyne where it is so I didn't need to tear apart the room to get it out of the corner AND because it has been doubling as a stand for a CD tower. So when this new little beast arrived and I centered it up in the middle of the room, sure, it sounded OK. But there are a few songs that used to go down DEEP at certain points in my old setup that weren't doing that any longer. Was it because baby KEF couldn't match the huge, old Velodyne? NOPE! Once I moved it in front of the Velodyne in that right corner, all the deepness returned. In fact, it might be even deeper right now. This is probably because I have the volume set higher on this KEF compared to the Velodyne, but whatever. The KEF KC62 WILL rumble a modest-size house like a big sub can. If you don't mind pictures on walls going crooked, then give this subwoofer a try.
A lot of two channel audiophiles discount the importance of adding hi-pass filtering to their main speakers, all too often to the detriment of their system. I'm a big believer in hi-pass filtering of the main speakers for proper sub integration, and this video did a really good job of explaining why that matters. Well done.
John, interesting to see your honest and enthusiastic reaction because you're an audiophile who hadn't experienced subs before. There are audiophiles out there who don't "believe" in subwoofers. Never understood it. Luckily you're a young guy and now have years ahead of you to re-enjoy music you already love, and new music coming your way.
I legit can't understand how someone can call themselves an audiophile without "believing" in subwoofers. It makes everything come alive, even just someone talking. It really transforms speakers from something that play to you to something that actually immerse you. There are some songs that give me the chills when the sub comes in like Creature, Pt. 1 by DjRUM. People always talk about monitors like they're the end all be all, but I found that the one thing that could transform an "OK" system into an amazing one was one, or better yet two good subs that are set up properly and blend in with your speakers. I think their bad rap comes from hearing people who don't properly set up their subwoofers and just create a boomy and muddy mess that overwhelms everything else, whereas with a proper subwoofer, set up to the correct levels you won't even notice there is one until you turn it off.
An absolutely wonderful exploration of subwoofer use in stereo listening environment. I have been missing a subwoofer in my system and this has kind of convinced me that I need to get one.
Instantly level up my system after seeing this in app kc62 setup for the wireless II. This feature wasn’t available when I first got the sub. Most practical video to date.
I'm so F Happy! I was debating getting the A500 or the LS50 II with the sub. After listening to the Kefs without the sub in the store I took the gamble and bought them with the sub in backorder. And a day later you will come with this review. Couldn't be more happy and sooooo keen for the sub arriving at the end of this month! (Hopefully) Thnx!!
Hah I had the same debate, only I went for the A500, and will get them next week after waiting for 5 months!. Still I think both brands are great so I think either way you/I will have a great set
A500 software master tunings are a mess right now with lots of issues. I am sure they will get there but definitely seems like a beta release at this point. Still the bass on songs that have it can be very impressive. If they don't hurry up though I will return mine and try some kefs likely the W2 with sub.
I watch these religiously for several reasons. Great reviews, great visuals, and I usually learn about some cool music. They’re also quite relaxing videos to watch. Keep it up!
Thank you. So many people like me who watch all of your videos, appreciate your approach and insight, but rarely comment. Please know we really enjoy your content!
I own a pair of Magnepan 1.7i and I was in lack of bass slam denial for a while. Well I finally got a pair of REL T/9i subs. That changed everything in an outstanding way. It truly revolutionized my Maggie system. More than any other tweak, cable or other component could do. IMO subs are mandatory with Magnepans. Like you said, John, once you try the sub(s) be prepared to keep them. You won’t want them to leave.
Ha! I came to exactly the same conclusions. Uniti Atom, LS50 meta, KC62 in the middle between them. Crossover at 50 Hz. And it does fill exactly what i always felt was missing. It added so much more fun to Hip Hop, Trentemoeller and even an opera. Thank you for this great story 🙌🏼
I had a similar experience with my lowly KEF LS50 I and a lowly Yamaha S2000 integrated, and a lowly cheap Pioneer Sub designed by Andrew Jones. It is a pain in the butt to dial in the sub, but once it is dialed in, I can never go back to just the speakers. Now I'm running 3 subs in the room, only draw back is, if I make some change to the system, I need to fine tune the 3 subs all over again, but to me, the reward is worth the effort. Thanks John for this great review, it confirmed a lot of things I experienced with proper speaker sub and room coupling.
A letter of thanks just sent to the Epsom branch of Sevenoaks HiFi: Good Morning Epsom SSAV Just a few lines to thank you for the extremely prompt delivery of my new KEF mini Subwoofer. As you can see below, now installed and fully operational. An absolutely doddle to set up, and even fresh out the box with no running in, already giving superb results! I have been listening this morning to various organ works CDs and suddenly the big pipes come to the fore, sounds which you feel rather than hear! I have by trial and error, found for the ATC SCM40 speakers that cut off at 50hz and volume at 11.00 o’clock are the best settings. The Tri amped ATCs already provide wonderful hefty bass, but the little KEF adds the cream of sub bass to the menu. At this moment listening to the 2011 remastered Dark Side of The Moon and the difference is stunning, with track 3, On The Run, one has become aware of the sub bass which now plumbs new depths. The little KEF definitely defies the Laws of Physics, such sound should not emanate from some thing so ridiculously small!
Great review! I added a REL to my open baffles 5 years ago and truly believe my obsessive speaker flipping habit is over....5 years on and it's not once crossed my mind to change anything in the system.
Brilliant review, absolutely love your work! Based on the info in this video i will certainly be pairing up this sub with my LS50 Wireless II speakers.
I'm excited to see you love this sub as much as I do. I have it hooked up to my LS50 wireless at my desk. Love it more and more with every listen. Great review sir! Keep 'em coming.
That was really interesting, thanks - I've been a sub user for years, and yes, it's hard work setting them up. The mid-range effect you found with the LS50 Wireless is interesting too, and is just the same as I found when I first had a system with an active xover and sub - taking the lower bass off the mid/bass driver seems to just take the pressure off it and opens up the midrange.
@@stevelimey A high quality subwoofer will bring more tonal differentiation of individual bass notes and will deliver those notes in a tight & punchy “musical” presentation. I think many people still have an erroneous concept that subwoofers deliver a soggy, bloated one-note presentation of the music which focuses on bass *quantity* & heft/shove instead of bass *quality* focusing on musicality & tonality you get from hi-fi manufacturers.
@@stevelimey common misconception my man. If you’ve got throbbing bass, you’re watching Edge of Tomorrow, or Tennent, have your sub turned too loud, don’t have the, a smooth frequency response in room with your sub, don’t have the correct 1db/octave room curve implemented or are listening to a very poorly mixed track.
@@stevelimey I'm not a lover of throbbing bass myself, but what I get from a sub is more extended and cleaner bass, with better definition - like clearer distinction between different notes, that kind of thing. (Speaking generally, not the Kef which I haven't heard)
Well done, one of the best reviews I have ever heard or seen of hifi gear. Do not change your presentation, it is perfect. it is almost as if we are siting together and solving the set up and discussing it on a one to one basis in my room. The only thing missing was a cup of tea and a biscuit!
My moral compass tells me to always trust reviewers who reference Rhythm & Sound. Listening to King In My Empire with a well integrated sub is like tuning in to the heartbeat of the universe. Transcendent and magical. Next in queue: Mango Drive.
Well done. The unique way John was a newb to subwoofing is very valuable viewing the topic from a more focused 2-channel music loving audiophile point of view. Doesn't hurt his first subwoofer is a too rare breakthrough product bringing true advances that are as user friendly as present state of the art allows. Well done John. Well done KEF.
I have just introduced a pair of JBL-100’s into my home theatre room where there is a Klipsch SPL-150. At the moment the sub isn’t in play for two channel but I may have a play this holiday weekend. This channel is costing me dearly! JBL’s, Meze and door stops!!!
Great Video. Im from Germany. I've bought a KC62 to. My Setup are LS50 Black Edition with a NAD c368. I love it so much. But now with the KC 62 it's incredible. Stay on. Listen Music 🎶
Cracking review, 100% concur - Have got the KC62 with the original LS50W and the space and detail it allows the 50’s to go to is insane. Lends weight not only to the bass but also to the mids. Cannot go back to without. FYI I have mine in a open fronted cabinet and even still it’s unbelievable thump. Try T-Rex - Life’s a Gas and you will hear lows that didn’t exist before. Keep up the good work! 👍
With flexibility comes complexity. I have subwoofers and what subs can do are beyond speakers. The fact that you can adjust the sub and place it wherever you want is the reason behind these settings.
This is not a criticism but I am truly astonished that someone who considers them self to be an "audiophile" has never bothered with a sub woofer before. The right sub set up properly with a good system is just the icing on the cake.
May I say, I truly appreciate the effort you put into your reviews and your ability to clearly convey your findings to us viewers. I'm currently saving up for the wireless 2's ( £1400 in the pot so far) and will definitely be looking at the kc62 to accompany them soon after (gotta get some more overtime in 😅) Thanks again for the work you do 😎👍
i have had the same experience, i just got the Arendal 1961 1s, and my Genelec just lifted. The whole sound became better, more, bigger and easier to listen to. REally took me by suprise. In a very good way.
Thanks again for another great video. I just went through the same process of adding a subwoofer to my system and once everything came together I had the same reaction as you. HOLY SH!!T
The biggest points you make regarding set up is still valid for larger subwoofers too. While a larger subwoofer can get much louder, for rooms or spaces that require it, it's going to be that much more of a task to set up and adjust as time goes on.
I gave a thumbs-up with 37 seconds, when I saw Trentemoller-The Last Resort. Don't care how the rest of the video is (can only be good 'cause its John), but there you go. Edit: very informational. I've been running a 10" sub (with 2x 10" passive radiators) next to my floor standing mains for about 3-4 years now. I have it set up for music, not for films. More people should know about the benefits of a separate sub in a HiFi setup.
I still have a 20 odd year old REL Q150. Your explanation of how to tune it in is spot on. I'm surprised with this sub that they do not recommend using the speaker connections in parallel with your speakers as this means the sub is receiving the same signals as your speaker. REL have been doing this for years and it works wonderfully especially if you run it to underpin your main speakers and also yo supply the LFE for AV at the same time. Once you've heard a proper setup sub there is no going back I'm afraid.
Very interesting point(s) of view from a "subwoofer virgin"! I was in a dilemma regarding buying a subwoofer and which brand, now I am not afreaid to invest my money on this model. Keep being curios and don't being afraid to recognize your "virginity" related to new euipments/technologies.
Great review (as usual). Anyone who's spent time setting up high-end automotive audio has lived the (perceived) increased soundstage with high pass filtering. We don't perceive the directionality of low-end signals so when they're coming from a full range it adds to a strong center presentation. Remove the low end, and things open up!
Welcome down the sub rabbit hole. Great review! Have KEF send you a second unit. Like you said, living without a sub now will be tough. Once you try two, you will feel the same compared to going back to one. Stereo subs rule!
Amazing content with so much effort describing what actually happens. I've kept my eye on the KEF sub since it was introduced. Thank you for most excellent guidance!!
Great video! I've always avoided Subwoofers because I just didn't understand how to set one up without ruining the balance of my system, but this video really helps explain everything!
Collected my h95 from the dealership and they had 1 kef kc62 in stock. Couldn't help myself. And even without precise tweaking yet, I already love how it gives me more satisfaction out of my music. Especially on lower volumes. Thanks for this great vid, watching it again now I actually have my KC62/Hegel h95/LS50 meta all in my new office /man cave space
Super helpful, thanks. I've bought the complete LS50 II system along with the KC62 sub. Opted for a wired connection twixt speaker & sub. Funnily enough, without even seeing this vid first, or turning the sub on, my speaker layout is where you've ended up at.
Hi John great review, I have the LS 50 ii actives and I’m also a virgin but on seeing your review I’ve decided to relieve the tension 😉👍 and become a player, can’t wait to hook up the KC62 and here the results.😘
My very first subwoofer was a micro subwoofer from Creative Labs that came with a Gateway computer back in 1998. I now have 2 subwoofers, a sealed studio subwoofer for my nearfield monitors and a ported subwoofer for my midfield living room setup. :)
As someone who has collected electronic music for over 30 years, I’d love to chill out and pick each other’s brains concerning tunes. I usually have just about everything you mention.
Yes, it made sense. No, the color temperature was not bothersome. Yes, your presentation is (has always been) to my liking! Any other questions you need answered?
Thanks for the review. Very informative with the right amount of technical info. No overload of tech info. Excellent description of sound integration and considerations with an audio system. This was my 1st 'Darko Audio' video and will definitely watch others.
The improvement in midrange was noticeable using a processor/avreceiver as Xover spliting speakers/sub when someone convinced me to use a sub for music/hifi more than 10 years ago... it improves sound and leaves more power/dinamics to the speakers. You made me want to get my sub that I stored away after moving to a smaller room a few years ago! ;) That KC62 looks awesome!
John thank you so much for posting this video. I've been struggling to dial in my LS50W's with my Kube 8 for years. Countless articles and videos read and watched. But your video was exceptional in that you give a technically detailed but plain English explanation. This is why you are the best RUclipsr in this category. Keep up the good work mate.
Commenting at the start of the video rather than watch first, since John doesn't like that. A good sub does amazing things when you x-over and can take the duty from your mains. Adding a comment after watching the entire video and you've pretty much summed up what I've expected, I found this "revelation" when dabbling in cheap home theatre setups and doing custom room correction; I'm also no stranger to the subcrawl. Thanks for the time you put into this video (and the groundwork for future subwoofer content). My "value" setup is Q150 ($300) with the little Cambridge 301 ($400) sub cube and schiit stack($600) into a Cambridge amp ($450). (try the sub whilst listening to your favorite headphones sometime)
Really interesting, informative and enjoyable video. Thank you. Never really understood all the challenges in integrating a sub, but at least have some understanding now. Must have been incredibly difficult to put forward and explain all that information in a 30 minute video!
I have just bought two of these and their KF92 for a larger room. These are amazing. I appreciate your walking through the setup and configuration. While you are prone to that tech stuff, I would encourage you to check out Midnight Blues (live) by Tsuyoshi Yamamoto Tri on his The Look of Love - Live as Jazz is album. The hairs on your arms will stand up when the string base come in. One of these is deployed in my Office with the KEF LSX II meta pair. The sound is absolutely amazing.
I run line out from my preamp to my KC62 set the low pass filter on the KC62 and then run patch cords out of the KC62 to my power amp and use the high pass filter on the KC62 to remove the burden of handling the lows on my LS50's. Sounds fantastic & since this setup requires the switch be set to manual, there are no standby problems.
After setting up your sub to where you want it, make sure you put white out on the dial to mark those perfect settings in case they get bumped. Great vid. Glad to hear such a tiny sub works well for you.
Damn John. Ace of Spades. The only thing for me better than your nailing the holistic expanse and depth in the review, as well as the more refined and nuanced explorations, is the passion you convey (and that goes for your others as well). Your music reference has turned me on to some new good stuff too. Just ordered new passive Metas, seeking a proper 100W amp for them and looks like this will be added to the upcoming Xmas/bday self love gift.
Really like your reviews. Long term Engineer, I have always been interested in Audio. Your reviews are interesting, especially how you take complex subjects and explain for an audience with wide ranging understanding in audio technology. Entertaining. Well Done !!!
Thanks for the great review! I just purchased a set of KEF LS50 II wireless + a KEF KC62 sub. Your tutorial explained the setup in detail and made things easier. Thank you!
I have used 2.1 setups for 30 years, until I crossed paths with the Dali Rubicon 2. No idea how or why but the Rubicon 2 puts out such a healthy sounding bass that two years on, I haven't ever bothered to put my old sub back in. If you're accustomed to subs you know that feeling that comes when the sub is removed. The Rubicon 2's never gave me that sense. I still use subs in two other setups.
Excellent video John, thank you for opening up the world of subwoofers to those of us who’ve previously discounted them as Home Theatre kit....time to seriously consider introducing into a 2 channel system. Cheers.
Great review, thanks. Can imagine the sound and the perfect integration. You are able to cross over quite low, good. I think every bookshelf needs a sub for sure. I always use one makes a big difference.
That’s the difference this channel makes:, not only review the product but demonstrate the technical “ setup” aspects of the hobby. Well done
Glad you dig. I spent more time on this video than any other that I've made to date.
@@DarkoAudio I bet. I have two systems , both with subs:) Ive crawled in your shoes.
Darko, this Video is the most useful subwoofer review I have seen so far. It gave me a lot of information I need to investigate further. And you need to investigate adding a second subwoofer at a well placed location. All AV specialists tell us you have no chance to get good bass for more than one person sitting at just the right spot with just one subwoofer. I decided I really need subwoofers a few months back and have been reading and viewing a lot of videos since. Probably the Audioholics channel and Website has the best information. More later when I have a proper keyboard.
Darko, just wait till you run High Level (speaker wire) from Hegel to In on Sub then High Level out from sub to speakers. Now the whole system will have the sound signature of the Hegel. Set Speakers to play down to 70Hz and Sub up to 80Hz (or 60Hz/70Hz..). 10 Hz overlap typically best. Can’t wait to hear what you think.
In the video, looks like you had the speakers setup to around 70Hz and Sub set to 45Hz. If so, missing all the info between 70Hz and 45Hz. see comment above, should sound better. Same goes for App, if setting High Pass (speakers) to 70 Hz, set Low Pass (sub) to 80Hz. tweak from there but most of the time 10Hz overlap is best.
Over 30 mins with no adds,, legend,,👍
Amen
Ad right in the beginning? Lol
@@chamber20projects 19 sec. Still leaves over 30 mins add free,, lol
@@chamber20projects That cutie doesn't count. Sheis a pleasure to watch.
What are adds ? RUclips Premium my friend
Watching an audiophile who likes listening to electronic music integrate a subwoofer into his setup is the most British thing I've watched since the royal wedding.
It's so true. Once you've intergrated a sub (or even two) you can never go back to living without one. Fabulous explanation and review John.👍
Yes! Thank you!
Your right about the two subs, was running one for years and never quite happy about the sound, this was with running audyssey room calibration on a Denon avr x7200wa. but as soon as i added another sub to the room at a diagonal opposite and re-run the calibration, everything changed and suddenly it was the sound i was looking for, this was also using Kef LS50's.
@@DarkoAudio Surprised KEF didn’t send 2 subwoofers. Hoping in future ya can add another KC62 to the mix. Especially if you seemed to get better integration with woofer facing forward.
Per Zu Audio’s website, “A stereo pair is even better than just one. Didn’t Confucius say, good things come in pairs?”
The lowest 2 octaves add so much to the enjoyment of most music these days.
@@DarkoAudio check out the NAD C388 this will solve your high pass problem when using the KC62 subwoofer with the metas.
After years and years of denying the benefits of a sub, because I was already happy with the sound of my speakers (middel range Tannoy), I bought one last year. And now, I couldn't live without it. When well adjusted, the music sounds so much better.
My KEF KC62 arrived this Tuesday. Today is Friday and I think I have it where I like it. Because of its small size, I did try it out centered between my KEF towers (1995 Reference 3) but after listening to it for a day or two, it lacked the punch I was used to. This little KEF sub is replacing a 12" Velodyne that I've had almost as long as the Reference 3 speakers. My room is about the size of Mr. Darko's and the big Velodyne left me with two options: left corner or right corner. It ended up in both spots over its 26 year lifespan. For like 10 years it was in the left corner. After a repair needed to be performed on it, I stuck it in the right corner. But a couple years after moving it into its new position, I had sliding doors put in between the living room and dining room (just to the right of the sub), effectively closing off the room. This change really boosted the bass. I liked that. I got used to that sound. But when the Velodyne died two week ago, a new sub was needed. I read about this KEF mini sub and decided to try it out. Mainly because I want to keep the old Velodyne where it is so I didn't need to tear apart the room to get it out of the corner AND because it has been doubling as a stand for a CD tower. So when this new little beast arrived and I centered it up in the middle of the room, sure, it sounded OK. But there are a few songs that used to go down DEEP at certain points in my old setup that weren't doing that any longer. Was it because baby KEF couldn't match the huge, old Velodyne? NOPE! Once I moved it in front of the Velodyne in that right corner, all the deepness returned. In fact, it might be even deeper right now. This is probably because I have the volume set higher on this KEF compared to the Velodyne, but whatever. The KEF KC62 WILL rumble a modest-size house like a big sub can. If you don't mind pictures on walls going crooked, then give this subwoofer a try.
A lot of two channel audiophiles discount the importance of adding hi-pass filtering to their main speakers, all too often to the detriment of their system. I'm a big believer in hi-pass filtering of the main speakers for proper sub integration, and this video did a really good job of explaining why that matters. Well done.
Ah finally someone using Trentemøllers `Evil Dub´ for testing. I use it everytime I listen to new gear (Hint: `Nightwalker` is excellent too)
I thought it was only me who did that lol! "Into The Trees" is another one I use from Trentemøller.
Thank you for the tips, this is such a good place to pick up some new music! ❤😍
A great tune
I love how every other review said it was super easy to set up. Somehow I feel like Darko's experience is a little closer to reality.
John, interesting to see your honest and enthusiastic reaction because you're an audiophile who hadn't experienced subs before. There are audiophiles out there who don't "believe" in subwoofers. Never understood it. Luckily you're a young guy and now have years ahead of you to re-enjoy music you already love, and new music coming your way.
I legit can't understand how someone can call themselves an audiophile without "believing" in subwoofers. It makes everything come alive, even just someone talking. It really transforms speakers from something that play to you to something that actually immerse you. There are some songs that give me the chills when the sub comes in like Creature, Pt. 1 by DjRUM. People always talk about monitors like they're the end all be all, but I found that the one thing that could transform an "OK" system into an amazing one was one, or better yet two good subs that are set up properly and blend in with your speakers. I think their bad rap comes from hearing people who don't properly set up their subwoofers and just create a boomy and muddy mess that overwhelms everything else, whereas with a proper subwoofer, set up to the correct levels you won't even notice there is one until you turn it off.
An absolutely wonderful exploration of subwoofer use in stereo listening environment. I have been missing a subwoofer in my system and this has kind of convinced me that I need to get one.
I think people will truly appreciate the addition of a sub now. Its literally a whole new experience.
Instantly level up my system after seeing this in app kc62 setup for the wireless II. This feature wasn’t available when I first got the sub. Most practical video to date.
Your experience mirrors mine with the LS50WIIs. I also use the wireless transmitter. “You’ll never go back.” So true.
I'm so F Happy!
I was debating getting the A500 or the LS50 II with the sub. After listening to the Kefs without the sub in the store I took the gamble and bought them with the sub in backorder. And a day later you will come with this review. Couldn't be more happy and sooooo keen for the sub arriving at the end of this month! (Hopefully)
Thnx!!
Similar story here. Between A500 and LS50 II with a sub. This review came at the right time.
Hah I had the same debate, only I went for the A500, and will get them next week after waiting for 5 months!. Still I think both brands are great so I think either way you/I will have a great set
A500 software master tunings are a mess right now with lots of issues. I am sure they will get there but definitely seems like a beta release at this point. Still the bass on songs that have it can be very impressive. If they don't hurry up though I will return mine and try some kefs likely the W2 with sub.
Seeing someone get a sub fills my heart with joy.
I watch these religiously for several reasons. Great reviews, great visuals, and I usually learn about some cool music. They’re also quite relaxing videos to watch. Keep it up!
Yes, relaxing! Could listen to this fellow talk all day. I should dial up his podcasts.
Excellent review, probably the best most simple, straightforward and honest I’ve seen in ages :)
I’m glad the comments are back, i hope you’re doing well John!
Thank you. So many people like me who watch all of your videos, appreciate your approach and insight, but rarely comment. Please know we really enjoy your content!
Good review John. And what a package of hardware. The ls 50 wireless and the kc integration is fantastic.
I hardly noticed that this video took 30min of my life. Awesome the way you explain things. Great video, again, John!
And I watched it twice...LOL...60 minutes well spent....Had to write down the tracks and albums he mentioned....
I own a pair of Magnepan 1.7i and I was in lack of bass slam denial for a while. Well I finally got a pair of REL T/9i subs. That changed everything in an outstanding way. It truly revolutionized my Maggie system. More than any other tweak, cable or other component could do. IMO subs are mandatory with Magnepans. Like you said, John, once you try the sub(s) be prepared to keep them. You won’t want them to leave.
Ha! I came to exactly the same conclusions. Uniti Atom, LS50 meta, KC62 in the middle between them. Crossover at 50 Hz. And it does fill exactly what i always felt was missing. It added so much more fun to Hip Hop, Trentemoeller and even an opera. Thank you for this great story 🙌🏼
I had a similar experience with my lowly KEF LS50 I and a lowly Yamaha S2000 integrated, and a lowly cheap Pioneer Sub designed by Andrew Jones. It is a pain in the butt to dial in the sub, but once it is dialed in, I can never go back to just the speakers. Now I'm running 3 subs in the room, only draw back is, if I make some change to the system, I need to fine tune the 3 subs all over again, but to me, the reward is worth the effort. Thanks John for this great review, it confirmed a lot of things I experienced with proper speaker sub and room coupling.
A letter of thanks just sent to the Epsom branch of Sevenoaks HiFi:
Good Morning Epsom SSAV
Just a few lines to thank you for the extremely
prompt delivery of my new KEF mini Subwoofer.
As you can see below, now installed and fully operational.
An absolutely doddle to set up, and even fresh out the box with no running in, already giving superb results!
I have been listening this morning to various organ works CDs and suddenly the big pipes come to the fore, sounds which you feel rather than hear!
I have by trial and error, found for the ATC SCM40 speakers that cut off at 50hz and volume at 11.00 o’clock are the best settings.
The Tri amped ATCs already provide wonderful hefty bass, but the little KEF adds the cream of sub bass to the menu.
At this moment listening to the 2011 remastered Dark Side of The Moon and the difference is stunning, with track 3, On The Run, one has become aware of the sub bass which now plumbs new depths.
The little KEF definitely defies the Laws of Physics, such sound should not emanate from some thing so ridiculously small!
Not what I was expecting from you after the news of the week, or your ongoing DAC reviews.
Please keep up the great work.
great review. it's amazing how introducing a sub changes everything. I keep mine under my bed - best decision made!
So fun to see Johnny experience a sub for the first time! Love these vids.
I thought the same that this guy is late to the party :P
Great review! I added a REL to my open baffles 5 years ago and truly believe my obsessive speaker flipping habit is over....5 years on and it's not once crossed my mind to change anything in the system.
I've been an audiophile for over 30 years. The is the best "small" subwoofer I have ever owned or heard. -6db at 11Hz......
There's a graph somewhere. It's more like -25db at 11hz
That 11hz claim is a joke. There is a barely audible hum emanating from this subwoofer at that frequency. Marketing. Nothing more.
You know you really need a second KC62!
Brilliant review, absolutely love your work! Based on the info in this video i will certainly be pairing up this sub with my LS50 Wireless II speakers.
I'm excited to see you love this sub as much as I do. I have it hooked up to my LS50 wireless at my desk. Love it more and more with every listen. Great review sir! Keep 'em coming.
That was really interesting, thanks - I've been a sub user for years, and yes, it's hard work setting them up. The mid-range effect you found with the LS50 Wireless is interesting too, and is just the same as I found when I first had a system with an active xover and sub - taking the lower bass off the mid/bass driver seems to just take the pressure off it and opens up the midrange.
I'm not a lover of throbbing Bass. What else can it bring in layman's terms
Damn straight it does. :)
@@stevelimey A high quality subwoofer will bring more tonal differentiation of individual bass notes and will deliver those notes in a tight & punchy “musical” presentation. I think many people still have an erroneous concept that subwoofers deliver a soggy, bloated one-note presentation of the music which focuses on bass *quantity* & heft/shove instead of bass *quality* focusing on musicality & tonality you get from hi-fi manufacturers.
@@stevelimey common misconception my man. If you’ve got throbbing bass, you’re watching Edge of Tomorrow, or Tennent, have your sub turned too loud, don’t have the, a smooth frequency response in room with your sub, don’t have the correct 1db/octave room curve implemented or are listening to a very poorly mixed track.
@@stevelimey I'm not a lover of throbbing bass myself, but what I get from a sub is more extended and cleaner bass, with better definition - like clearer distinction between different notes, that kind of thing. (Speaking generally, not the Kef which I haven't heard)
Well done, one of the best reviews I have ever heard or seen of hifi gear. Do not change your presentation, it is perfect. it is almost as if we are siting together and solving the set up and discussing it on a one to one basis in my room. The only thing missing was a cup of tea and a biscuit!
What? No wine? :)
I absolutely LOVE your reviews, so honest, so down to earth, so humble... don't ever change 🙂👍
My moral compass tells me to always trust reviewers who reference Rhythm & Sound. Listening to King In My Empire with a well integrated sub is like tuning in to the heartbeat of the universe. Transcendent and magical. Next in queue: Mango Drive.
Dude, i'm loving King In My Empire, never heard of it beore. You have 121 subscibers now...... Love and respect
@@thewavesmith5754 go for “see mi yah”
Gutenberg tip- position your sub close to listening position and behind you. It’s totally counterintuitive but dams does it work. Shockingly good!
Well done. The unique way John was a newb to subwoofing is very valuable viewing the topic from a more focused 2-channel music loving audiophile point of view. Doesn't hurt his first subwoofer is a too rare breakthrough product bringing true advances that are as user friendly as present state of the art allows. Well done John. Well done KEF.
hope this great product was at the last 3 audio shows.. a true winner
I have just introduced a pair of JBL-100’s into my home theatre room where there is a Klipsch SPL-150. At the moment the sub isn’t in play for two channel but I may have a play this holiday weekend.
This channel is costing me dearly! JBL’s, Meze and door stops!!!
Great Video. Im from Germany. I've bought a KC62 to. My Setup are LS50 Black Edition with a NAD c368. I love it so much. But now with the KC 62 it's incredible. Stay on. Listen Music 🎶
Welkom in the world of sub, I've been playing with them 20 years. Can't miss them in my stereo. Nice review John great one, thanks.
Cracking review, 100% concur - Have got the KC62 with the original LS50W and the space and detail it allows the 50’s to go to is insane. Lends weight not only to the bass but also to the mids. Cannot go back to without. FYI I have mine in a open fronted cabinet and even still it’s unbelievable thump. Try T-Rex - Life’s a Gas and you will hear lows that didn’t exist before. Keep up the good work! 👍
With flexibility comes complexity. I have subwoofers and what subs can do are beyond speakers. The fact that you can adjust the sub and place it wherever you want is the reason behind these settings.
This is not a criticism but I am truly astonished that someone who considers them self to be an "audiophile" has never bothered with a sub woofer before. The right sub set up properly with a good system is just the icing on the cake.
Per the video, it's not a matter of being 'bothered' but having the room sufficiently sorted to do it justice and/or not introduce more problems.
The British audiophile had a video on a sub it's pretty cool. This sub seems very good
May I say, I truly appreciate the effort you put into your reviews and your ability to clearly convey your findings to us viewers.
I'm currently saving up for the wireless 2's ( £1400 in the pot so far) and will definitely be looking at the kc62 to accompany them soon after (gotta get some more overtime in 😅)
Thanks again for the work you do 😎👍
i have had the same experience, i just got the Arendal 1961 1s, and my Genelec just lifted. The whole sound became better, more, bigger and easier to listen to. REally took me by suprise. In a very good way.
Thanks again for another great video. I just went through the same process of adding a subwoofer to my system and once everything came together I had the same reaction as you. HOLY SH!!T
The biggest points you make regarding set up is still valid for larger subwoofers too. While a larger subwoofer can get much louder, for rooms or spaces that require it, it's going to be that much more of a task to set up and adjust as time goes on.
I gave a thumbs-up with 37 seconds, when I saw Trentemoller-The Last Resort. Don't care how the rest of the video is (can only be good 'cause its John), but there you go.
Edit: very informational. I've been running a 10" sub (with 2x 10" passive radiators) next to my floor standing mains for about 3-4 years now. I have it set up for music, not for films.
More people should know about the benefits of a separate sub in a HiFi setup.
I still have a 20 odd year old REL Q150. Your explanation of how to tune it in is spot on. I'm surprised with this sub that they do not recommend using the speaker connections in parallel with your speakers as this means the sub is receiving the same signals as your speaker. REL have been doing this for years and it works wonderfully especially if you run it to underpin your main speakers and also yo supply the LFE for AV at the same time. Once you've heard a proper setup sub there is no going back I'm afraid.
Very interesting point(s) of view from a "subwoofer virgin"! I was in a dilemma regarding buying a subwoofer and which brand, now I am not afreaid to invest my money on this model. Keep being curios and don't being afraid to recognize your "virginity" related to new euipments/technologies.
That's why I'm in love with the Outlaw Retro Receivers. They're designed for 2.1 setups and they high pass filter the stereo mains.
Great review (as usual). Anyone who's spent time setting up high-end automotive audio has lived the (perceived) increased soundstage with high pass filtering. We don't perceive the directionality of low-end signals so when they're coming from a full range it adds to a strong center presentation. Remove the low end, and things open up!
Welcome down the sub rabbit hole. Great review! Have KEF send you a second unit. Like you said, living without a sub now will be tough. Once you try two, you will feel the same compared to going back to one.
Stereo subs rule!
Liked the music selections today - look forward to the playlist on Patreon👍
Amazing overview. Thank you. Patiently waiting for mine to ship.
Now that you have experienced what one subwoofer can do, your in for a treat on what 2 stereo subs can do😀
Interesting, since most recordings don't contain stereo bass. I would only use two subs for cancelling room modes!
Amazing content with so much effort describing what actually happens. I've kept my eye on the KEF sub since it was introduced. Thank you for most excellent guidance!!
The first 10 seconds are the best. Well played John, well played.
Great to see you finally got a sub woofer. You will gain a new appreciation for drum and bass now.
Great video! I've always avoided Subwoofers because I just didn't understand how to set one up without ruining the balance of my system, but this video really helps explain everything!
Just got delivery of my Hegel h95+LS50 meta. Now my ears are fighting with my wallet over wether to get this one :-D
Thanks for the great video again!
Collected my h95 from the dealership and they had 1 kef kc62 in stock. Couldn't help myself. And even without precise tweaking yet, I already love how it gives me more satisfaction out of my music. Especially on lower volumes.
Thanks for this great vid, watching it again now I actually have my KC62/Hegel h95/LS50 meta all in my new office /man cave space
Like a Millennial Woes reveal all for audiophiles. Glad you are trying out subs.
Super helpful, thanks. I've bought the complete LS50 II system along with the KC62 sub. Opted for a wired connection twixt speaker & sub.
Funnily enough, without even seeing this vid first, or turning the sub on, my speaker layout is where you've ended up at.
That bark is cool! Excellent video and audio editing! Congratulations!
Sold, I purchased the wireless 2 in red on the back of one of your prior videos and was pondering the sub and this overview has persuaded me.
Hi John great review, I have the LS 50 ii actives and I’m also a virgin but on seeing your review I’ve decided to relieve the tension 😉👍 and become a player, can’t wait to hook up the KC62 and here the results.😘
My very first subwoofer was a micro subwoofer from Creative Labs that came with a Gateway computer back in 1998. I now have 2 subwoofers, a sealed studio subwoofer for my nearfield monitors and a ported subwoofer for my midfield living room setup. :)
Great review, I changed my mind about subs, thanks. Is not just adding bass presence, it's changes the whole image stage with the Kef KC2!!
As someone who has collected electronic music for over 30 years, I’d love to chill out and pick each other’s brains concerning tunes. I usually have just about everything you mention.
Yes, it made sense. No, the color temperature was not bothersome. Yes, your presentation is (has always been) to my liking! Any other questions you need answered?
Thanks for the review.
Very informative with the right amount of technical info. No overload of tech info. Excellent description of sound integration and considerations with an audio system.
This was my 1st 'Darko Audio' video and will definitely watch others.
The improvement in midrange was noticeable using a processor/avreceiver as Xover spliting speakers/sub when someone convinced me to use a sub for music/hifi more than 10 years ago... it improves sound and leaves more power/dinamics to the speakers. You made me want to get my sub that I stored away after moving to a smaller room a few years ago! ;) That KC62 looks awesome!
Thanks for the review. I have a 2m x 3m office with a pair of KEF LSX II, and I'm considering acquiring a KEF KC62.
Another great review! Have been looking forward to this one.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video, as always! But now I’ll be spending all afternoon experimenting with positioning my subwoofer! Fun stuff!
Best crossover explanation ever
John thank you so much for posting this video. I've been struggling to dial in my LS50W's with my Kube 8 for years. Countless articles and videos read and watched. But your video was exceptional in that you give a technically detailed but plain English explanation. This is why you are the best RUclipsr in this category. Keep up the good work mate.
a pair with most higher-end bookshelves would heaven
Commenting at the start of the video rather than watch first, since John doesn't like that. A good sub does amazing things when you x-over and can take the duty from your mains.
Adding a comment after watching the entire video and you've pretty much summed up what I've expected, I found this "revelation" when dabbling in cheap home theatre setups and doing custom room correction; I'm also no stranger to the subcrawl. Thanks for the time you put into this video (and the groundwork for future subwoofer content). My "value" setup is Q150 ($300) with the little Cambridge 301 ($400) sub cube and schiit stack($600) into a Cambridge amp ($450).
(try the sub whilst listening to your favorite headphones sometime)
This may be your first subwoofer review but it was an excellent one. I enjoyed it very much it was both clear and informative. Keep up the good work.
Wow... this sub is all we need with WII
Really interesting, informative and enjoyable video. Thank you. Never really understood all the challenges in integrating a sub, but at least have some understanding now. Must have been incredibly difficult to put forward and explain all that information in a 30 minute video!
I have just bought two of these and their KF92 for a larger room. These are amazing. I appreciate your walking through the setup and configuration. While you are prone to that tech stuff, I would encourage you to check out Midnight Blues (live) by Tsuyoshi Yamamoto Tri on his The Look of Love - Live as Jazz is album. The hairs on your arms will stand up when the string base come in. One of these is deployed in my Office with the KEF LSX II meta pair. The sound is absolutely amazing.
Great review. I've just ordered the KC62 as an addition to my LS50WII (on S2 floor stands) all in mineral white.
Small and mighty. I like it.
I run line out from my preamp to my KC62 set the low pass filter on the KC62 and then run patch cords out of the KC62 to my power amp and use the high pass filter on the KC62 to remove the burden of handling the lows on my LS50's. Sounds fantastic & since this setup requires the switch be set to manual, there are no standby problems.
What LPF and HPF setting are you using for this setup ?
Great review as usual, John.
After setting up your sub to where you want it, make sure you put white out on the dial to mark those perfect settings in case they get bumped. Great vid. Glad to hear such a tiny sub works well for you.
Damn John. Ace of Spades. The only thing for me better than your nailing the holistic expanse and depth in the review, as well as the more refined and nuanced explorations, is the passion you convey (and that goes for your others as well). Your music reference has turned me on to some new good stuff too. Just ordered new passive Metas, seeking a proper 100W amp for them and looks like this will be added to the upcoming Xmas/bday self love gift.
To entertain and inform. Great work John on both counts. Greetings to you and yours
Really like your reviews. Long term Engineer, I have always been interested in Audio. Your reviews are interesting, especially how you take complex subjects and explain for an audience with wide ranging understanding in audio technology. Entertaining. Well Done !!!
Thanks for the great review! I just purchased a set of KEF LS50 II wireless + a KEF KC62 sub. Your tutorial explained the setup in detail and made things easier. Thank you!
so do you like it?
I have used 2.1 setups for 30 years, until I crossed paths with the Dali Rubicon 2. No idea how or why but the Rubicon 2 puts out such a healthy sounding bass that two years on, I haven't ever bothered to put my old sub back in. If you're accustomed to subs you know that feeling that comes when the sub is removed. The Rubicon 2's never gave me that sense. I still use subs in two other setups.
Excellent video John, thank you for opening up the world of subwoofers to those of us who’ve previously discounted them as Home Theatre kit....time to seriously consider introducing into a 2 channel system. Cheers.
Great review, thanks. Can imagine the sound and the perfect integration. You are able to cross over quite low, good. I think every bookshelf needs a sub for sure. I always use one makes a big difference.