Resident Evil 7: RE Retrospective
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Resident Evil is a series that knows very well how to reinvent itself. It seems like every 6 years, an RE game comes around, that changes everything. RE7 is just such a game, and being the internet's darling, has made a pretty big name for itself. Can this first person shooter really be the next step for Resident Evil? 
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Great review, but I disagree completely on not thinking that this is a true Survival Horror game. Survival Horror is a genre that blends horror with limited resources and puzzle solving. RE7 has all of this in spades, but by your criteria it’s the camera angle that determines if the game is survival horror. I don’t really understand the logic behind that.
NEMESISxALPHA Agreed. FP works better for survival horror and fear, anyway. Fixed camera angles were due to technical limitations.
Frankie Giustino fixed camera started off as a technical limitation, similar to the fog in Silent Hill, but became an atmospheric staple even after technology advanced to the point where it wasn't necessary to use fixed camera anymore.
I'd say there's a good place for both fixed camera and first person in survival horror.
Agreed. Think of 2D sidescrolling games like The Lone Survivor, which is clearly survival horror. Re1 and Re4 alike are both considered survival horror games despite their differing camera angles. Really disagree with Avalanche on this point. The perspective shouldn't determine whether the game's considered survival horror or not.
Because to people thats all RE is, a fixed camera game. So RE4 isn't RE either. I even prefer the fixed camera, but that is just a silly opinion.
I also disagree with him about Re7 not being a survival horror, but you can't tell me re4 is a good example of this genre.
“RE7 isn’t a survival horror game because it’s in first person”
And that’s where you lost me
Meh he’s entitled to that view. The game that defined survival horror was Resident Evil and it was not first person.
@@TheVileOne It originally was supposed to be in first person. Limited capabilities of the PS1 console and Alone in the Dark is what encouraged Mikami to adopt fixed camera angles. If the PS1 console was capable enough, Resident Evil 1 would've most likely ended up being a first person game.
And sure, he is entitled to have that very opinion. The logic behind it though is, well, shit. A game encompasses everything that is survival horror and it's not a survival horror game because it's in first person? People need to understand that the perspective that the player has with a game DOES NOT determine what genre it is or how faithful it is to its roots or the quality of the game overall. Just because a Resident Evil game is in first person or over-the-shoulder instead of fixed cameras doesn't mean jack shit. It's all about the execution and the execution of the first person perspective in Resident Evil 7 was done very well and I don't mind at all if Capcom continues the first person perspective in Resident Evil 8 because RE7 proved that first person can fit in well with a Resident Evil game.
So what about Alien: Isolation or Outlast, two survival horror titles relying on first person views? First person doesn't determine the genre of gaming because it's mainly used from one particular genre, its exists to heighten the player perspective and immersion into the experience.
Survival horror typically means being isolated in a creepy environment, where supplies are limited and threats are everywhere. The creepiness can come from gross outs and jump scares (RE historically did more of this), or just psychological horror (Silent Hill and Amnesia are great examples of this type - btw Amnesia is first person also). NOTHING about the genre implies it has to have fixed camera angles, or can't be 1st person. RE7 is a great example of survival horror done right. Just because it's not in the style of the Playstation games doesn't mean it's not survival horror. I've played games with fixed camera angles that are not survival horror at all. There's nothing wrong with disliking first person perspective in a game like this, but it doesn't make it not survival horror. The reason Super Metroid isn't survival horror, is because supplies are not limited. You're encouraged to just blow things up rather than avoid them.
@@TheVileOne it was originally supposed to be that's the IRONY of it. But the console at the time couldn't handle it.
"RE7 isn't survival horror because it's first person"
Yeah, and Terminator 2 is not an action movie because it doesn't have the Wilhelm scream
It's literally such a dumb opinion. He can just say that he prefers fixed camera survival horror. Fixed cameras have literally nothing to do with it being a survival horror game at all. He has even contradicted himself and stretched his opinions on other games just to keep this one stupid point. Pretty sure he said the game Nightmare of Decay isn't survival horror simply due to the camera angle DESPITE pretty much being a complete homage to Resident Evil 1. It's a ridiculous stretch of logic that just makes no sense. It's like he forgets that there were games in the 90s and early 2000s that were considered survival horror and DON'T HAVE FIXED ANGLES. Imo I prefer most fixed camera games as well, doesn't mean that nothing else is survival horror smh.
@@BrainMaggotMelt It’s such a weird, narrow minded hill to die on too.
@@SaberRexZealotEspecially given the pretense he hangs it on. “The fixed cameras don’t allow you to see where that noise is coming from” as if first person allows you to see everything except what’s in front of you.
I would like to disagree with the statement that a game needs to have fixed perspectives to be survival horror. Mostly because that would mean all the silent hill games wouldn't have been Survival Horror and that's just ridiculous. I think, stripping the term "survival horror" down to the core just implies a scary game that has very strict resource management attached. The fixed camera perspective would be part of the "90s era Survival Horror" toybox, but even then not fully, since the original Silent Hill used them very sparingly, most often placing the camera behind your character.
Something else to think about. Why do you want or need this game to be survival horror? What does it gain or lose by being or not being labeled as such?
Lyaksandra B No one needs it to be Survival Horror, it just IS a survival horror game simply based on the mechanics presented in game. It’s silly to say that a camera angle somehow determines the survival aspect of the game when it clearly works as a survival horror game regardless of that.
@@LyaksandraB ....how can you want or need something to be what it already is? The OP is stating that Avalache is pretty....goofy for thinking this isnt a survival game just because of the chosen camera perspective. Its not about wanting or needing something, its about showing why this opinion is inherently flawed
He calls RE7 not a survival horror yet he called RE3 remake a survival horror lol. RE3 remake wasn't scary at all.
Fixed perspective had zero to do with it being survival. It was done to make the graphics better. It wasn't actually a mechanic.
First Person is not Survival Horror, eh?
Alien Isolation says Hi!
I'm sorry but Isolation was more of atmospheric horror, the only time it was "survival" in my opinion was when I wasn't able to land stun hits on The Joes. The Alien was too easily sneaked by to feel like I was actually in danger past the first 2 or so encounters.
I'm not saying in any way it was a bad game, but just more like horror "adventure"?
Peter Schmidt No it’s survival horror lol
ADUSN BasedGod Which is also survival horror haha
I remember that game. I beat it once, and then never touched it again. Not because it sucked (it doesn't) but because I just found it too stressful and, well... kind of repetitive in that your only options when confronted with the Xenomorph were hide or run. Since you couldn't kill the aliens at all, that meant the player had less options for navigating their encounters... which also decreased the replay value in my eyes. They should have made it like an RE game, where you could kill the alien, but doing so required either specialized weapons, or a shit tone of ammo that was very scarce, thus forcing the player to choose between fighting, running, or hiding. With THREE options for navigating encounters, the replay value of the game would be much greater, at least in my opinion. I understand the intentions behind the decision to make the alien invincible, and I can respect the desire to make the alien scary again with this method, but I feel that it just makes the game far more frustrating than it needs to be, especially with how thinly spread the save stations are located throughout the game. Because of this, after I beat the game, I never went back to it.
Compare that with the vastly inferior Aliens: Colonial Marines, which I have actually replayed several times despite its numerous flaws, simply because I still had more replay value (especially the PC version and the various overhaul mods available that fix numerous gameplay issues) in my eyes because it wasn't a stressful experience.
Jared Bradley In other words the game was too hard for you.
Survival horror is exactly that. Surviving, with limited ammo and resources, and horror, being scared, with atmosphere. These aspects can be put onto a first person view, third person, or fixed camera angle perspective. So how the fuck is this game not survival horror because of the first person perspective ....
Survival horror was defined be RE, and I tend to think a game claiming to be part of the genre, should also take after RE's design docs. Not sure why that so controversial. There are a bunch of genres defined by perspective. Fps, rts, strategy rpgs.
@@AvalancheReviews Survival horror can and has evolved. Changes. One missing thing like shitty camera angles doesn't make it not survival horror.
@@AvalancheReviews love your channel, but this is your one and only objectively insane take. This is gatekeeping at its absolute worst
@@AvalancheReviews You used first person shooters as an example, but the issue is the qualifier "first person" specifically defines the camera perspective. That doesn't exist within the words "survival horror."
RTS games aren't defined only by their camera perspective, but by strategizing in real time; that would just be inconvenient from any other camera angle.
Survival horror isn't defined by camera perspective, it's defined by surviving in scary settings through things like resource management.
-Skadi
@@AvalancheReviews it's controversial because it's a ridiculously close minded bridge to die on. It ignores every game that came before RE, alongside RE, or after RE that's different in any way and expects games thirty years later to refuse to evolve, try new things, experiment, etc. to fit a super specific genre that's totally meaningless. I prefer survival horror games like THIS is a totally fine opinion or preference to have. Survival Horror games MUST crib this exact game in all ways is ridiculous. These are the kind of things that lead to us having "Pseudo-Neuro-Folklorsian-North-Eastern-Prague-Rock" instead of Rock
YOU CAN LITERALLY SEE EVERYTHING AROUND YOU IN OLD RE GAMES, HOW IS THAT MORE SCARY THEN NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE BEHIND YOU
I disagree with the video, but in his defense, a lot of the old RE's cameras meant you often couldn't see in front of you
@ He also said in other videos that tank controls are a requirement crappy tank controls are a requirement for survival horror game. This guy's definition is way to narrow minded. Yes, it's only his because no one agrees with him. He's just some random youtuber not the authority of defining what genre what game is. Like most youtubers they don't know what they are talking about.
At the same time he also says RE3 remake is a great survival horror game and that game isn't even scary at all. Guess according to him what makes a game a survival horror has nothing to do with how scary it is and being able to barely survive but has to do with a game having shitty tank controls and with a 3rd person/fixed camera angle. Tank controls and atmospheremanagementsurviving
His point becomes truly stupid when you consider that the devs originally wanted to make RE1 a first person game but couldn't because of technical limitations.
@@chan13153 I agree with most of your sentiments, yet you seem so insufferable, that I just want to disagree with you. By your shitty logic, you are just some random RUclips commenter, so your opinion doesn’t mean anything.
Honestly RE1 scared me more than RE7, I didn’t really find RE7 scary tbh but it’s still survival horror so I’m not exactly sure what he’s trying to say
"You could be forgiven for calling it survival horror"
Yea because it is survival horror Lmao great video my man
Thanks! When it comes to survival horror, I stick with a definition set by the games that created the genre. While I do love 7,i think it falls a bit outside of that definition.
@@AvalancheReviews Yea I was just joking. While I don't agree entirely, you're logic is all there and totally see where you're coming from. Loved all the RE videos you did, made me really appreciate some of the older ones.
@@AvalancheReviews Yes because every FPS ever is exactly like Doom. Genres evolve. Get over yourself and stop gate keeping loser.
@@calistusjay60 this is like saying, all the dumbing down they do to all other genres are for the sake of "evolution." Some people are just more insightful, and recognize that it's just Corporate's way of bringing in more casual losers to a certain genre; probably someone like you. (-,-) ,./..
@@AvalancheReviews So you can't accept evolution. Genres evolves over time. You know that right.
Avalanche: RE7 isn't survival horror because it's missing one key element.
Me: Huh, I wonder what element that could be? I really hope he doesn't say something stupid like the third-person perspective.
Avalanche: The third-person perspective.
Me: God fucking damn it
Something often overlooked is that RE7 in some ways literally took the game back to its roots. It's just those roots were even deeper in the ground than many fans realized, as the original resident evil was supposed to be a first-person horror game but was changed to a third person
more campy zombie game because of the graphical limitations of the PlayStation.
I have to give props to these developers for taking a risk with RE7, something we don't see enough of with AAA games these days. And it was a risk. RE6 is still the 3rd best selling Capcom game and best selling RE game. Despite what some fans believe, Capcom was winning with that formula. They really didn't have any incentive to change except for wanted to return to form. And you have to respect that.
They really did make a huge leap, and despite bad reviews, RE was still making money. That does deserve a bit of respect. They could have continued making games like RE 6, but they scrapped a sure thing. That takes balls.
Resident evil 5 outsold RE6 by 2 million copies(RE5 sold 12 million, RE6 sold 10 million), but your point is still valid.
A theory exists, that they made those casual games, to pull people into survival horror, since it was extremely niche back then... it worked. Whether or not it was intentional, IT WORKED.
@@happysappy7851 Not only that, but Capcom was still disappointed with the game's sales because it didn't make back its (probably ludicrous) budget. The game selling alot means nothing if it still sells below unreasonable expectations.
Yes it was a real risk to copy Outlast.
Have you seen the third person mod? Cool to see but it's incredible how less atmospheric/immersive it is. And I never realised how much programming goes into framing a proper third person camera!
Saying that any first person game can't be survival is like Roger Ebert saying games can't be art
So many genres have their perspectives built into them, but for some reason when i say survival horror does too, the internet loses its mind. How about this? If a game used a 3rd person camera for a majority of the experience, it can't be a first person shooter. Is that crazy? No? Then the same can be said of other genres.
@@AvalancheReviews The position of the camera has NOTHING to do with the genre, it is a visual stylistic choice to elevate the tone. You can change the gameplay all you like, a survival game at its core and how it's designed on paper will always be a survival game, that being centered around using your inventory sparingly and solving puzzles. Otherwise, that's like saying an animated movie cannot be horror because it's animated. I genuinely don't see what's so hard to understand about this.
@@AvalancheReviews I'm sorry but your just flat out wrong here and not being able to admit your mistake makes you look even worse... Going over your videos covering all of the games including the remakes after the fact and doing so SEVERAL times you talk yourself into circles and use things like perspective to mean so much in one scenario then not matter that it's different in another (re2/3r) and at the some time brag about how much "more survival horror" said games are when you use a first person camera mod.
I've heard some say you're gatekeeping and while I tend to hate the use of this phrase I do think it's use here is accurate.
You are trying to tell people something is or isn't something when you yourself had said different either before or after and are now trying to explain "around" your doublespeak.
The camera can't be a factor in what is or isn't survival horror when you yourself first say it matters then say it doesn't (remakes) then even say the first controversial camera (1st person) makes things EVEN MORE when used as a mod in those said ganes.
You try to joke it off with your half ass comment in remake 2 video but truth is your exact "definition" of what is or isn't surcival horror is met by 7 as much as it is by remake2 or 3.
If you are going to call 2 or 3 remakes survival horror then by your own definition you need to call 7 it as well.
If you can't see that and are going to try to continue to "gatekeep" as they say well I guess no one can stop you but it really is a bad look and PLENTY of people are here to remind you that being able to admit our mistakes is much more important sign of character vs "being right".
Trying to leave it all down to "my opinion" doesn't work here again only because you yourself have LITERALLY DEFINED what is and isn't survival horror (again to you based on your own set of rules) and through the magic of being able to both see you define this before and after the release of games you WANT to call survival horror (re2make) and this one you know deep down is as much survival horror as anything else there was (at the time of its release) and DEFINITELY fits your "new" definitions you "adjusted" after the fact when re2make released and you WANTED it to be considered.
So either re2make IS survival horror along with re3make AND 7 or none of them are as no matter how much of the "rules" for survival horror they meet not being the ONE you seem to think (or don't think at times) is THE defining rule above them all.
That 3rd person fixed camera angles MAKE survival horror.... You yourself have made this both a requirement and not one and so it's ultimately you who has to fix the issue.
But having your cake and eating too feels like such a little boy pouting and running away with his fingers in his ears screaming "I can't hear you LA La LA!"
You can like re2make MORE and say it's more of what you love about survival horror but trying to keep 7 from the title of survival horror at this point just makes you look bad and I really would appreciate (along with many others who have tried to point out the hypocrisy) you just doing the right thing and either giving 7 the title of survival horror its earned along with its fellow newer titles OR just admit that survival horror did die with games that would use fixed camera 3rd person.
You and I both know that last statement isn't true so again please just stop with the stance that 7 isn't a rightful heir to the survival horror title.
Even if he's a bastard child made out of wedlock and one you'd like to act like didn't happen he did and he deserves to be recognized. Lol
@@AvalancheReviews this is an awful take. “Survival” in Survival Horror refers to gameplay/atmospheric elements. “First Person” in First Person Shooter literally refers to the perspective directly
Thats like trying to prove your point by saying Mario 64 isn’t a side-scroller because of the camera too. “Side” scroller is in the name
Idk man, could you say Re2 remake isn’t a survival horror game for the same reason??
So fatal frame and siren aren’t survival horror because theirs no fixed camera angles? That’s like saying fallout new Vegas isn’t an rpg because it isn’t turn based.
well by that third person JRPG's aren't RPG's because the first ones of the genre was in first person...wow lol
Sorry, but survival horror is defined by it's gameplay and not by a camera perspective. We get it, you are not a fan of first person but RE7 is still a classic survival horror.
well by that third person JRPG's aren't RPG's because the first ones of the genre was in first person...wow lol
I absolutely love RE7. After the cinematic action crap from 6, going to a game with smaller stakes and a heavy horror focus was great. RE7 feels like RE1 meets Evil Dead
And a bit of Texas Chainsaw Massacre, thrown in for good measure.
Avalanche Reviews thats it, chainsaw massacre. I knew this RE game felt so familiar 🤣👏
So are you ;-)
CHRISPLAYER95 haha beat me to it. They flat out reference Evil Dead
@@AvalancheReviews I think it's more akin to Evil Dead, but okay.
This is definitely a survival horror game.
Agree to disagree
Avalanche Reviews Yup
@@AvalancheReviews I like your reviews, but your attitude about that camera thing is just pathetic. I could go deep into how the camera is adjusted to the game, ie in a tight and narrow environment 3rd person isn't flexible enough, and how in a big open-world game 1st person is restrictive etc. But what you're saying is, "oh I don't like it being in FPP so it's not a survival horror, because I refuse to accept the fact that genres evolve." By your logic, Silent Hill isn't a survival horror either. Or Forbidden Siren. Or The Evil Within. Or Alien Isolation. Or Darkwood. Or SOMA. Or Dead Space. Or Condemned Criminal Origins. Or System Shock 2. Why? Because they don't have a fixed camera, right? You have the right to be wrong, but it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong in the first place.
Had to go back and re-watch this. Was awesome hearing you gush over it. I just wish there was a spoiler section where you could give your thoughts on the story section, stuff like the VHS sections etc. Maybe it'll come up in the future!
Hey, its one of my youtube boy stable members.
When someone tells me that I need to respect him, my brain automatically goes into disrespect mode
"Respect is earned, not giving."
I love your channel but how is the game being in third person make it NOT a survival horror game haha
Because the game that created the genre was wholly based around its perspective.
Camera perspective has nothing to do with survival horror, it’s about the gameplay. It’s like saying third person shooting games aren’t action because the first action game was first person, like what sense does that make?
To say 4, 5 or 6 is better at horror than 7 is laughable. 1st person or not this isn’t an action game like those.
Yeah i think he's out of his mind on that one but I also really enjoy his content and overall demeanor. I think some people do themselves and the games they love by trying to pigeon hole the things they love by jamming them in boxes. Music fans tend to do the same thing. Who cares if that song is power metal or some other sub genre? What matters is that you like the song and why. Same thing with games.
@@AvalancheReviews I get that and it was but it's still a survival horror game from a first person perspective
I have had agreed with everything you've said through out every review you've done. I'd almost say we're the same person. But just because a game doesn't tank controls or third person perspective doesn't mean its not survival horror. Those were decisions built on limitations not choice considering the first was supposed an fps experience. You're too good at what you do to have such a closed mind about that.
I don't think it's a closed mind that I have on the issue. Those were the tools that the devs had to work with, when the genre was created, and even though you're right, they were more limitations, than actual conscious design choices, I still think they shaped survival horror. I mean, if alone in the dark created the genre, and re1 names it, and they both had the exact same features, I think it's not too far off to say that those features are a part of survival horror.
Avalanche Reviews in those regards I can't say I disagree. But there are the high tension elements of horror and limited ammo, puzzles and the idea of avoiding combat that give it a survival element. But I see you're argument. Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts ia not a Banjo game for similar reasons. Out of all the RUclipsrs out there I have to say I value your opinion over most. Keep up the Good work. And you have a devoted fan in me.
How can you do such an in depth review of RE7 and not even mention the VR that was included in the PS4 version? Did you not get a chance to try it at all? If not I highly recommend it.
I don't own a VR headset for my PC. I only own the game on PC, and I don't have the PSVR either, so I really wasn't certified at all to talk about it.
Avalanche Reviews I got ya, wasn't trying to hate on your review or anything, been really enjoying the REtrospective series.
If I remember correctly, VR wasn't supported for this game on PC anyways.. A VR edition has been in talks for a while on PC but nothing has come of it as of yet.
It's a shame you didn't go out of your way to try the PSVR first. I'd argue that you havn't really played RE7 if you havn't done the VR. Even with the resolution drop it's the far superior experience. I also spent a decent amount of time longer in VR mode out of sheer fear hiding from the family which I know wouldn't have been the case in normal mode.
Anthony Rilocapro Agreed, it’s fucking terrifying.
It's really sad what RUclips has become.
I miss the days when we had star ratings, it was a free platform where you didn't have to worry about being 'demonitized', and less toxicity from people overall.
All social media went to hell in the last 5 years.
I blame Capitalism.
I blame the liberal agenda. Can't say curse words without offending someone, so it's their way of policing what we do.
Clayton Luce You drop your tinfoil hat
Fuzzy Dunlop Yes blame the Capitalism for the Media companies pushing Socialism and Nazi Style Censorship! Smart man you are Fuzzy! The USSR Communist Gestapo use to call people like you " Useful Idiots"
"Its Resident Evil Greatest Hits"
"This game has deeper understanding of the core of the classic games"
"The combat is high risk, low reward"
"Despite its perspective this is not a youtuber reaction bait videogame"
"This is an horror game"
"Resources are limited"
"But its not a survival horror because its in first person"
WTF are you talking about? You spend a 70% of the time praising the back to the roots of the game and how can tense and scary can be but its not a Survival Horro game because it goes first person? Time to pull your head out of your ass, this game saved the franchise and it did it because it was a survival horror game.
Ok..... Your reasons from 17:00 to 18:00 makes ZERO sense. Plus you say "This is where I get the negative comments" Like its other peoples fault for not getting your contradictions. Plus would this be a better survival horror game then the first 4 games because there's hiding mechanics(including you saying it has alot of stuff that makes RE7....an RE game). Let alone you have to use your ears and the environment to get away from the bakers. WHICH you show and explain right there at 15:48! Just say you don't like First-person view because you like the old RE games, but saying that just because the game doesn't have a third person fixed camera, is NOT True survival horror game is ASININE!
HotFuzz whoah!!! DAMN HOTFUZZ YOU TAKE YOUR RE7 survival horror games very serious!!
I agree but TAKE A CHILL PILL bruh
well by that third person JRPG's aren't RPG's because the first ones of the genre was in first person...wow lol
Awww yeah!! Part 7! I've been looking forward to this!
I truly enjoyed RE7 for what it was... it's got problems, like a lack of monster variety and short playtime (I finish it in 3-5 hours usually), but I still really like it, and I think that it's definitely proof that survival horror RE can still be popular and relevant in the modern day.
Paul Smith yeah the second time I played re7 I beat it in a little over 4 hours (damn) but it's a great game.
Paul Smith Finally someone realises this. Resident evils have never been long games. Most of them have some kind of speed run reward/achievement for beating it within 2 to five hours. Ironically some of the newers one are much longer even without any kind of backtracking puzzles.
I think you're absolutely right! This should be proof to Capcom, that survival horror is worth investing in. Let's hope it works that way.
What difficulty? Took me a while to beat it cause I died a LOT on hard mode.
@@mrsatangto I've beaten it in under 4 hours on Maddening before, just to get all them sweet completion rewards
Ethan Winters is the biggest badass of the series when you think about it. The guy has no combat training yet instantly knows how to use every gun, he can instantly shake off extreme pain (specifically pain caused by chainsaws), he wins a CHAINSAW DUEL, and when he sees a long legged creature crawling creepily though a tunnel, his reaction pretty much amounts to "Huh, ain't that some shit."
Luca Fox Yeah, true, but someone who's never used a gun may have slight problems, such as not knowing how the safety works and how to properly reload, yet this guy just kinda knows. Plus, he also knows how to use a machine gun, which I'm assuming he's never done before.
Luca Fox Yeah, your probably right. I've never really shot a gun, they just seem like something that could be a bit confusing for someone who has never used one.
Ease of shooting guns aside, you can't deny the other points Tyler is making. Ethan's a regular civilian, and he managed to pull through a BOW outbreak like a boss. That's worthy of praise.
Luca Fox you're right, guns are pretty easy to use. However someone with no training or experience with a fully automatic weapon, is going to be almost completely inaccurate. Mostly thanks to muzzle rise from sustained fire. Same with pistols, you still have to aim to get hits, and someone in a high adrenaline situation they have no way to manage is gonna be whiffing shots like a motherfucker. So yeah, Ethan must truly be a badass to shake off injuries and fight combat highs like a soldier. I'd argue the only weapon Ethan would come close to being effective with is the shotgun.
I have the platinum trophy, so yes I've beaten the game and I stand by what I said. Infected or not, it's still damn impressive for a civilian to go through all that shit and come out alive.
7 certainly had issues but they tried. and that effort is enough to make me consider respecting them again.
still the REO series being forgotten isn't forgivable... even to this day there is nothing like it.
there was a project that had the spirit of REO but capcom forced them to shut it down.
Not the first RE that is played in first person, Resident Evil: Dead Aim (2003), Resident Evil: Survivor (2000), Resident Evil: Survivor 2 - Code Veronica (2001), Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles (2007), Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles (2009), Resident Evil: Code: Veronica (2000) and Resident Evil: Deadly Silence (2006) all used first person.
What a great review you present here. I REALLY appreciate that you were able to treasure all the high points of this game and the RE feeling it creates... despite being "stubborn" about the camera perspective. So many people wont touch it or loathe this game just because of the 1st person camera. Your open attitude here is pure gold. This retrospective was worth the wait! Keep it up :D
Thanks man! I won't lie, I was one of those people, before I played the game. I was expecting to hate it, based on the first person nature. I was sure it would be crappy, but I'm happy I was wrong.
The problem with FP is that some people, like myself, are unable to play them without feeling fisically ill, for every 30 mins of a FP game i need to stay in bed with a massive headache for up to two hours.
I have family with the same problem. Motion sickness sucks. :(
Rodrigo Santiago I have that problem too. I usually play until I get too nauseous and then drink a lot of water and lay down which helps me recover lol. That didn’t stop me from enjoying and completing RE7. I’m not gonna let the placement of a camera determine whether or not I play a game.
Rodrigo Santiago I have that problem too. I usually play until I get too nauseous and then drink a lot of water and lay down which helps me recover lol. That didn’t stop me from enjoying and completing RE7. I’m not gonna let the placement of a camera determine whether or not I play a game.
RUclips is a disgrace...👎👎👎
Outstanding channel love your reviews!!!
It's a private company doing what private companies do - worry about nothing but profit.
Thank you! I appreciate that.
Avalanche Reviews 👍👍👍👍👍🍻✌
How is youtube a disgrace when the only way I found these vids was from the reccomendation page? 🤔
@@fuzzydunlop7928 RUclips isn't a private company.
I loved how at first it is completely separate and then slowly you learn how it all ties back into the series
I was surprised how much I liked RE7. Great blend of familiar RE horror mixed with a new refreshing experience. I loved the DLC too. It's shame you won't pay for DLC, because I'd like to hear you thoughts on End of Zoe, which I thought was great fun.
You cannot be forgiven for not giving it a survival horror designation
There is nothing scary about fixed angles and tank controls, not being able to see a zombie directly in front of you isn't scary, and having to fight with tank controls isn't skillful, nothing about these limitations are what made classic RE scary yet somehow people think they do, I'm glad RE7 went a different rout, it definitely sets itself apart from classic survival horror of the 90's in such a good way, this is survival horror at it's finest and the RE2 remake is looking to be even better than this.
@@zacharyearly4757 Eeeh I get what you are saying but I can also see where Tevin is coming from. A key aspect of horror is immersion and helplessness. Tank controls definitely spike up the helplessness factor just due to the pure unruly nature of it but that was a innovation of its time. But it also kills immersion when you get pissed off that you cant turn quick enough or aim accurately enough which was basically all of my RE3 deaths. So it makes sense that you cant be scared at something that just annoys the crap out of you. Pretty sure his comment stems from Avalanche saying the most dumbest thing in existence that 1st person isn't true RE or true horror like that is also objective.
Anyone else think that Jack is like a pseudo-Tyrant? While he was once a normal human and wasn't made from the ground up by a virus, his mannerisms and abilities are similar to Mr.X and Nemesis and they stalk you similarly.
I gotta say. It’s easy to watch a video on RUclips but I cannot imagine the amount of work that is put into each one of these RE retrospectives . I appreciate the detail and time you put into these! As a hardcore fan these are a fucking charm to watch
Would be a lot better without the multiple smug attempts of trying to call out incoming dislikes and such.
Dislikes for him knowing he's wrong, no less.
I personally find 3rd and fixed camera angles to much less scary.
Yup same here, in fact I never found ANY of the fixed camera angle RE games in the least bit CREEPY, never mind scary.
Keep it up man, we got your back, love the videos been watching since the first one
I think your videos r awesome! And appreciate your honesty and really enjoy watching them from start to finish and tbh keep up the good work.
One thing this game was missing for me...(spoilers)
*ZOMBIES*
(and no, giant black swampy looking monsters that ALL look identical are not zombies)
What’s the difference between zombies in the past games and the molded dudes in 7?
@@mr.nickname9172 Zombies resemble humans, someone you may know. It's creepier.
These things just look like the Swamp Thing
The Most Interesting Man in Hyrule yeah I see what you mean. But they still act like zombies for the most part so that’s why I got confused.
@@mr.nickname9172 I just miss traditional enemies. Mix those monsters in, totally, but the common enemy should be a zombie
The Most Interesting Man in Hyrule you must be glad about the re 2 remake then?
Still don’t understand your basis for saying first person doesn’t make Resident Evil 7 survival horror just because the original game was fixed camera angles.
I read somewhere that the original 1996 Resident Evil was supposed to be first person (like a camera crew in Sweet Home) but the limited graphics at the time hindered that.
It was always meant to be first person.
Yep, Resident Evil 7 is one of the best *SURVIVAL HORROR* games I've ever seen.
great video and content! i'm a long-time RE fan (RE1 and so) and it's a blast to get to know that some aspects of the classic games are present in RE7. just subscribed! :)
When I heard him say it's not survival horror because it's in 1st person I literally cringed
what about VR? many say it's a different (much better) game in VR
Cheappy V VR owner here. It is phenomenal and terrifying in VR. I would sometimes stop at the top of a staircase staring into the darkness like a coward, whereas if i was playing on my TV I'd feel absolutely nothing and just charge through.
in VR the graphics downgrade a bit, and things like text and button prompts clip a lot, but overall it's the best game for VR.
I wondered why Jared hasn't even mentioned it
I don't have a VR headset for the PC or PS4. I would love to try it though.
If you're still up for it, I think the PSVR is on sale for $200 this holiday season? As a PCVR and PSVR owner, I'd say the big advantage of a PSVR is ease of use.
I've also played RE7 in VR, and it's fantastic. I'm constantly peering over corners to check if anyone is coming.
I love the circular nature of the idea you present that RE revolutionizes and inspires games which then inspire and revolutionize RE which then revolutionizes and inspires again, and so on. I think it's kind of a beautiful thing specific to traditional art, music, and media like videogames. Thanks for the realization and, as always, great video.
Playing this game in Vr was a truly amazing experience. One of my top memorable moments in gaming
Well, i guess the “Outlast” franchise and “Amnesia: the dark descent” are not survival horror games since they are in first person view...im sorry but that comment made literally no sense! But beside that little non sense, it was an excellent review! :)
Well even the developers of those games don't consider them survival horror. Survival horror necessitates combat and inventory management. 2 things definitely not present in this first person games. Thank you for the love! I'm always up for a little friendly disagreement.
@@AvalancheReviews but RE7 does have item management , and combat...
@@22larios did he play it on easy difficultly?
@@22larios yeah but not the fixed camera angle.
I was gonna go on por- I mean Facebook this morning but I saw this notification and I was like nah I’ll watch something better. Good way to start the day. Love your retrospectives!
...just looking at some por~litical commentary
Why not kill two birds with one stone? My voice is sexy enough right? HAAA
I honestly love your voice, it gives a very warm feeling. I live your reviews avalanche. I'm a survival horror fanatic. I love that you don't insult our intelligence, and you give great valid points and use collegiate vocabulary. You have quality in your reviews and discussions. Thank you for so much. And keep that great voice!
If I'm going back for a run on any RE game I always find myself rewatching these at the same time. Really well done✊ ✔
RE7 is an awesome game, and it's a love letter to oldschool fans. It has an awesome atmosphere, and I really think that if the first RE was created now, it would be like this game.
Also, loved an easter egg where your are inputing a code to a door and the sound effects are the same as RE 2 menu (I think it's 2).
Loved it! :D
Is RE3 menu sound.
Old school fan and didn't really like RE7 at all after the Half way part. Had more fun with RE4 than RE7. But, that's just me. Glad RE2 Remake is on it's way for a proper return to form
Really? That's interesting to know!
I like RE4 but, as a Resident Evil game, I just can't see it as an evolution in the series formula because it ditches many of the elementes that make a Resident Evil for me (same as RE 5 and 6).
But everyone's different and I respect your opinion! :)
Robert Wallen
Yeah, RE7 tried to put too many horror genres in the same game. Some may think it's a good thing, fleshing out every chapter and main enemy in their own way, seeing the whole as a love letter to the horror genre. But I can also see the counter point: if you really enjoy a certain part (especially if it's the first one) you may get disappointed when the rest of the game is quite different.
The part that mostly stands out IMO is the boat part, but they even give you a different character so idk, devs did a great job.
As for RE4, it's undeniable how good that game is - even though the only things it has in common with Resident Evil is Leon and cheesy dialogue. The fact that it was so freaking good is what drove the series into a downward spiral of ever more ridiculous action games.
@@pairot01 and then RE2 remake happened.
For some fans, RE7 was the Breath of the Wild of the Resident Evil series
Yeah that makes sense.
Breath and repeat with me: RE7 IS survival horror.
It's pure survivor horror at it's best. The camera perspective has absolutely nothing to do with the definition of the genre.
RE7 is not a survival horror because it's not using a fixed camera? Really? So by that definition, Devil May Cry is more fitting to be a survival horror game than RE7 since it has fix camera and has horror elements on it.
(And I know it was the OG RE4 before they decided to turn it to a different game but my point still stands).
Did you know that Shinji Mikami opted to have the original RE game to be first-person but couldn't do it due to hardware constraints? The fix-camera perspective was a product of technical limitations. And with that mindset, we can no longer have any "real" survival horror game because most developers have ditched that camera style.
Seriously, folks. The age-old argument that "fix-camera is needed for horror games because it hides stuff that could scare you" isn't really a valid point. A good level design could do that even with a movable camera. And the 1st Dark Souls game had proven that.
When it was originally announced that RE7 would be in first person, I was skeptical and outright against it at first just like you. However, I told myself that when the game came out, I would put aside my skepticism and give it a chance. To me at the time, RE in first person just didn't feel right. RE in its purest form is in third person with fixed camera angles.
I'm thankful to say that my skepticism was put to rest about an hour into the game and moving forward. This game really did scare the shit out of me, and overall this game deserves to be in the canon of the Resident Evil lore. Sure, no fixed cameras, but I feel like the first person approach they decided to take for this game was the correct choice and it absolutely works.
I'm not entirely sure I would agree 100% that it's not exactly a survival horror (that's something I would have to think on and reflect), but I feel like that's more of a disagreement on definitions, so I don't think that's entirely important anyway. What's important (as you said) is the final outcome, and I do believe RE7 is a love letter to old school Resident Evil and (until the RE2 remake comes out) this will be the closet to we will get to the old school resident evil experience for the current generation.
well by that third person JRPG's aren't RPG's because the first ones of the genre was in first person...wow lol
I'd argue that having a first person perspective is even more restrictive than fixed cameras, in a very good way when it comes to horror. Walking through hallways with barely any health or ammo, wishing that none of those fucking molded or one of the Baker would pop out of the walls behind me made for some pretty tense moments. And to me that's survival horror. I hear you though, I too am an old timer RE fan and the change of perspective changes the feel of the game but I don't agree that it's no longer survival horror. It's just a different kind of survival horror. Great video as always.
Haven’t watched yet but I’ve been waiting for this one since your first video in the series. Your content is incredibly well made. Keep doing what your doing.
Thanks so much! If How could I stop, when I'm getting kick ass comments like this? You guys are stuck with me for the foreseeable future.
This game is a masterpiece and IMO the only truly great game Capcom has released in many years.
I'm willing to forego the tank controls and fixed camera and call it a true survival horror. I think absolutely nailing the other aspects of survival horror more than covers the lack of tank controls. If fixed camera is necessary for survival horror then Silent Hill doesn't qualify...?
Great review
Thanks! I agree, it's an amazing game. I may not classify it as survival horror, but it's a killer horror game regardless.
I've watched through these reviews as someone who's played through basically every game in the series and dabbled in some of the Gun-con games, nice trip through memory lane. If 7 and REmake 2 are any indication hopefully great things are in store.
I disagree with the Survival Horror term being associated to third person and fixed camera angles. By definition "Survival horror refers to a subgenre of action-adventure video games. The player character is vulnerable and under-armed, which puts emphasis on puzzle-solving and evasion, rather than violence. Games commonly challenge the player to manage their inventory and ration scarce resources such as ammunition. Another major theme throughout the genre is that of isolation. Typically, these games contain relatively few non-player characters and, as a result, frequently tell much of their story second-hand through the usage of journals, texts, or audio logs." which describes RE7 almost exactly.
Now whether or not it's a true RE game in the classical sense due to the perspective is another story. I found the FPP to be just as limiting in many ways, you have no peripheral vision, no way to track what's behind you without turning around, and you still have no idea what's waiting for you right around the corner.
Technically, I think you're right about the elements of survival horror, but I think the perspective is baked in there too. Kind of like the perspective is a major part of fps games. There are genres that are defined by the camera system. Know what I mean? I think the games that coined the general should be the baseline
One of the best reviews I've ever seen. Great work!
Ok. I subscribed. Watched like 3 videos from you're channel, and felt in love with the way you do your work. Its gold. Also i love Resident evil, and re7 was my return to the franchise, i have even bought the re1 remake and started replaying the hole serie, i freaking love it more now.
Once again, another great video! But I have to disagree with that survival horror comment you made. Silent Hill and Siren, which are both seminal survival horror game classics, only sparingly use fixed camera angles in their games and they are both respected by critics and audiences alike as survival horror games. So I don't think camera perspective necessarily makes a survival horror game a survival horror game, but rather how atmosphere and combat works. What separates a survival horror game from "Let's Play Bait" and "Action Games with a Horror Skin" is if there is combat present in the game, but only used sparingly as a last resort. I think Enemy Zero is a good example of this, it's a game that involves puzzle solving, backtracking, limited ammo and a scary atmosphere while still being in first person, and it only came out a few months after Resident Evil did in Japan. But hey, that's just my stupid opinion! Looking forward to what you think of the RE2 Remake!
Something else to think about. Why do you want or need this game to be survival horror? What does it gain or lose by being or not being labeled as such?
@@LyaksandraB What are you even talking about? It is a survival horror game. I don't even under stand your stupid questions. The reasoning that it isn't a survival horror game because it's a first person game is fucking stupid at the least.
Lyaksandra B no one “wants or needs” this game to be survival horror. It just IS survival horror. It’s arguably more survival horror than RE 3
@@hellogoodbye1748 Yeah, what these guys said above me sums it up.
Re6 was fun but not even remotely creepy. RE7 brought back the fear. Loved it and can’t wait RE2 looks amazing.
Same here
As always, great work, man. Keep it up! :)
Hey Avalanche you are the man im about to start a series run through on pc because of you. Amazing work on all these man!
Survival horror has nothing to do with fixed camera angles...survival horror is a horror game with survival elements like limited ammo and having to think and plan rather than shoot your way through.
The game that brought Resident Evil BACK to where it should've been this whole time!! RE was originally intended for 1st PoV from the get-go, but technological limitations... this is the best addition to the franchise since RE3, RE0, & REmake!!! Survival horror IS here to stay, so all the RE4 fans rage-typing right now can go suck an egg. Great video!! REmake2 is proof that RE is indeed back to basics & reclaiming the genre it practically perfected & damn-near invented.
"Go Suck an egg" .. Wow that told all those pesky RE 4 fans eh? Lol.
Graham Taylor well I could've told them to go into a closed room, mix bleach & ammonia into a bucket & breath.... but I'd say the egg is quite appropriate!
I just started playing madhouse difficulty, and, wow! It's such a great addition to the base game. It's alot more than a higher diffculty. Really makes it all fresh again, and I love that. RE7 is a damn fine addition to the series.
I've heard that's the best way to play the game. I still haven't tried it though.
I dont know about you but the new RE engine of RE7 and RE2make have very strong asmr sounds on it, very satisfying
Hey avalanche, have you thought of doing a retrospective series for silent hill?
I absolutely have! I love that series!!!.....well, at least the first 3 games. Trust me, I will 100% be jumping into the SH games soon enough.
17:41 Ehhh. I mean, I agree that FCA has its place and serves a function to the survival-horror experience, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that a first-person or OTS perspective can't deliver on that front either. Honestly, this and REmake 2 are really the only RE games that got me really tense throughout most of the game, and their respective cameras added to it.
A first-person or OTS camera honestly makes me feel more immersed in the environment since making the perspective physically closer to the character your controlling aids the illusion that you're experiencing their situation. Even though an OTS or first-person camera gives you a complete line of sight, you have a limited periphery. It creates a lot of tension when I can't see what's right behind me. It also does wonders for the sound design, where ambient noise feels more real when the developers can account for your physical position in the game.
I also like what it directly adds to the gameplay. The limited periphery forces you to more actively look around the room for key items and whatnot instead of simply scanning the screen once the camera angles shift. Also, I like how aiming is more of a factor than it is in the classic games. The auto-aiming saves people who are shit shots and spammers. In here and REmake 2, you first have to recognize the enemies' movement patterns to earn that headshot and actually being in control of how much damage you deal an enemy through your aiming adds a new layer to the ammo conservation.
I know this comment is a moot point since you've lightened up a lot more on you're REmake 2 video, but I still wanted to get that out there. I like the review anyway since you still acknowledge that everything else in this game checks out.
Late 2019-2020 has been a big year for resident evil lets hope Capcom keep up the great work and reclaim the legendary horror roots of resident evil
Am I the only Late 90’s Survival Horror Enthusiast who LOVED the Early RE control setup? The tank controls and sudden sharp changes of camera angle make playing feel like you’re in a terrifying nightmare, especially when backtracking and having time to dread it in detail. Very apropos in my opinion.
I agreed with many of your points but there are a couple of statements I take issue with.
First “I found that a lot of the people preferred the first third of the game due to its complete lack of connections to the series at large” I don’t think that’s what people prefer about the it. I think it’s more the fact that it has way more tense and narrow environments and you have to get around and slowly familiarize yourself with the house and it feels very much like the original RE. What bothered people about the later parts of the game (myself included) is that it becomes more of the shooting fest. You get a submachine gun and that sense of having to keep an eye on your resources goes down drastically. The enemies are no longer intimidating because they throw so many at you and you have the ability to deal with them pretty easily. It looses a lot of the tension and pacing of the first third that made it so intimidating.
Also the statement about it being weird that RE7 took a cue from recent games that were inspired by the original RE seems irrelevant and to me almost pointless to bring up. The majority of games do this. That’s how gaming evolves. They take something from a game in a genre that worked well and add it to their own game. Games constantly do this so I don’t at all see it as weird that RE7 would be inspired by recent mechanics or changes in the survival horror genre. That’s just the nature of game development.
Last but certainly not least: “Without the sense of fear that a third person fixed perspective brings, you just can’t have survival horror” ok, where does this logic come from? Can you back this up with anything? If you claim that what makes survival horror scary is the fact that you have a limited perspective then a first person view does just the same thing except I’d say even better. Your view is limited only to what your character can see and your character moves slowly. That seems like the closest you can get to survival horror to me. It’s the most realistic and tense perspective. Most of your other points made sense but this one seemed to come out of left field and seems to not be backed up by any solid evidence or rationale.
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This video appeared in my recommended and subbed half way through great job!
Good to hear! Thank you
After a long time of watching, I started donating to your Patreon.
While you're videos were really great and very informative providing me with great after work dinnertime entertainment, it is your engagement with your viewers that pushed me into becoming a backer alongside Superderek and Hapa-san. It definitely sets yourself from other mainstream youtubers and makes us feel like we're being heard.
Anyways just wanted to say that and keep up the good work. I hope to see more quality content in the future!
That's fucking awesome! Thanks so much! Honestly even being listed in with those two, is an insane compliment. All 3 of us found each other pretty early on, and I won't act like I didn't steal any ideas from them. HA!
Disagree completely about 3rd person being necessary for survival horror. Survival horror is about managing resources in a terrifying environemnt. Perspective doesn't determine that. Darkwood and the Forest is a perfect example of that.
I definitely agree that this doesn't have that classic survivor horror RE feel. In my opinion this is just a modern day style to survivor horror. That's fine with me, after all I love this game, but I'll always enjoy going back to the classics. I never played the Outbreak series cause I had a bad impression but would really like to give them another shot for a chance to experience a classic RE style game for the first time again.
I think I feel the same way. It might not have been classic survival horror, but it was damn good, so who cares!
Just finished the game for the first time and wow what an unforgettable experience. Look forward to hearing your take on this.
I really can't wait for those Outbreak videos! I enjoyed this one. Thanks for the content! You always manage to publish right around the time that I need a break from work. :)
Perfect! I'm happy to supply a little content to spice up the work day
who did you main in outbreak? or did you play each scenarios suggested character?
8:16 - It's interesting the way the game pulls in Resident Evil canon toward the end, because in context of the series what it means is you're cast as the everyman who's being exposed to all this stuff for the first time--making it a good entry point for players who may be being exposed to it for the first time, too. "The Resident Evil lore is stupid and should be thrown in the trash" is just a thoughtless bandwagon idea. There is no such thing as a bad idea for a story: it's all in the execution. Things got silly in the later action-oriented Resi games and it wore down people's patience for the silliness, though. It was out of balance. When it comes to "balance," though, Resi7 is very well-executed, and if the series can keep that going it'll find its feet in gamers' minds eventually.
I disagree on the thought that the first person view disqualifies RE7 as survivor horror. Actually find it more tense and stressful than third person RE games! Anyways look forward to your eventual RE3 Remake review, keep up the great work!
Probably the only channel ive ever considered donating to 👌 love the little details in these videos.
You're awesome. Thank you
Great video as always. I will look forward to seeing your next video!
Although, I wholly disagree with your definition of Survival Horror hinging upon "fixed camera perspectives"; which were never an intended feature so much as graphical and engine limitations of a bygone ear of gaming. I do appreciate your kind of caveat to that statement by leading with, "90's Era Resident Evil Style". Now, in that regard, yes; I do totally agree that while it comes very close to replicating the horror of the first four (Code: Veronica included) classic games but misses the mark in that area. But modern Survival Horror has changed since those days; as sad as that is to those of us who grew up in the classical era. Nowadays it's all first-person run/hide mechanics, or run/hide and limited fight (as with Alien: Isolation); while that's kind of sad, given all that we used to get from the likes of RE, Silent Hill (which never had fixed camera perspectives but is still one of the founding fathers of the classical era of Survival Horror), Alone in the Dark, and Parasite Eve. It's simply not for us, anymore, as with how Slasher films have come and gone, though many have tried and failed to bring them back. Horror, as a film genre, relied heavily on the first-person perspective as well with the nearly decade and a half of found footage films that were released almost non-stop at the theaters. Things change, and so do the definition of those things; we just have to learn to accept that, as hard as that may be to do. LMAO.
By the way, great work, love the series, I've been binging it all day!!
Thanks for the love man! I agree that times change, but there are several genres defined by their camera. The FPS comes to mind. No matter how advanced graphics get, the camera angle stays the same across the whole genre. The same with RTS games. I also gotta say, the camera in the first RE wasn't so much a graphical limitation, but an effort to imitate their inspiration, Alone in the Dark. I think that stuff can still work, regardless of how much things have improved. Games like Resonance of Fate, uses fixed angles and cg backgrounds, and it looked amazing.
I don't see why people say that _Resident Evil 7_ is the return to survival horror when _Revelations_ did it five years prior. I mean come on, it may have came out exclusively on the Nintendo 3DS back in 2012, but it did come out on PC, PS3, and Xbox 360 a year later and was even ported to PS4 and Xbox One, so I'm sure plenty of people played it around the time it came out.
Revelations to me felt like a cheap attempt to throw in some "classic" elements in the most superficial way possible and then say "hey guys, look! survival horror is back!" RE7 can be accused of doing the same, to a degree, but I felt it hit the mark much closer than Revelations.
Genre definitions aside, I enjoyed both titles quite a lot. (Rev 2 beats Rev 1 for me, though)
Not to mention Revelatoons contributed VERY LITTLE to the story.
Eh, I don't care about the story too much, to be honest. I don't much care for all the post-Umbrella terrorist-group-of-the-week plotlines. Gameplay and atmosphere matter most to me.
@ Laurence Lee Kone - Having contributed little to the overall story doesn't make it any less of a horror game than _Resident Evil 7_ . And when you consider the fact that _7_ featured a new set of characters and only one returning character at the end of the game, one could also say that it also contributed little to the overall story.
@ VisserZer0 - I respect your opinion. In a way, maybe _Revelations_ felt a bit cheap, but the overall atmosphere was great, and the story was also awesome. For me, it was the first true survival horror game in the series that I've played, especially after starting the series with _5_ and _6_ .
But on a side note, I think the first one was better. I got nothing against _Revelations 2_ , but for me it felt like Capcom made a clone of _The Evil Within_ and that kinda made it feel less original for me. Still loved it though.
Avalanche, thank you for making these videos. I will support your channel
Been really anticipating this since I finished binge watching all of the retrospective you had uploaded a while back and it really didn't disappoint! Being the only numbered game in there series i'm yet to play I was quite similar in my take on avoiding much of the media take on the game. It definitely has to be said from the retrospective that i'm looking forward to finally playing this a lot more now! Not what I was expecting from the game at all and i can't wait to get stuck in to it! Keep up the good work in a middle finger to youtube attitude haha
Nobody:
Survival horror purist: "THIS ISN'T TRUE SURVIVAL HORROR"
Revelations was how you bridge the gap between old and new.
I made a similar comment on my old review of the first Rev game. I still think that's true.
Michael Lewis I feel Revelations could be a little tenser and be a little more like the older games with a few more areas but what's there makes for a great overall package.
I couldn't get through that game. Comments like these really make me wonder what I'm missing. It just felt kind of generic and dispassionate to me.
@@Gaff. ikr... I felt like I was playing a lifeless, ps vita uncharted spinoff
Man your videos are good, definitely got a new sub here ✔️✔️✔️
Nice, I was waiting for this video :D
Love your reviews from a fellow RE fanatic, a french one though :D
7 was a blast for me but to me it did not needed to be an RE game, it was a good horror game but a non-RE game for me. The FPS perspective, the aesthetics, the monsters... It did not felt RE at all to me...
I can agree with that.
Man, that part where you said this game got you so tense at times you had to walk away...for me it was that opening half an hour inside the Guest House, where half the time I REALLY didn't want to go down those stairs or deeper into the basement or whatever in fear of what waited there. And when the terror finally hit, it hit with the force of a freight train. I seriously didn't expect all of that to go down.
And it's been a LONG time since a horror game made me feel that way. And sure, the perspective is quite different for the RE series (obviously) but this is the closest we've got in feel to the original RE's in a long time...and it didn't turn out like an Outlast clone as some people seemed to be thinking.
I agree 100%!
I felt pretty much the same way when I played this game a month ago. I was happy to be wrong about what I thought it was going to be. Had a real blast with it. Great video too.
Survival/horror... To me, survival/horror is a combination of tense gameplay where "survival" becomes more important than your kill count. And horror if it's "scary" or provides a tense atmosphere. It's definitely survival horror