I think you're wrong. Fallout show is the perfect Bethesda adaptation. Butchered lore, horrible writing, unlikable characters and cringe dialogue. The show mirrors the Bethesda fallouts flawlessly.
I don't think alot of people make that distinction at all, when people say they like Fallout, its likely meant to be the Bethesda games not the classics, people should be rightfully called out for it, since they do not make that distinction between the classic/closely related titles of obsidian/Black Isle and the Modern titles of Bethesda. I bet if a lot of them played the classic games or nv or watched nuka break, their mind would shatter at the thought of having the opposite; consistent lore, better writing, complex characters, decent dialogue and better world building.
Thats one interesting way to look at it. You are correct for sure. The shitshow is a cringe worthless adaptation of the bugthesda fanfictions nothing more.
@@danpaz9485 im 36.. I grew up playing Fallout 2 as a teen.... cost me £2 for PC at a market shop back on 03' or 04'... loved the dark music at the intro and menu screens, but if you think that game is better than Fallout 4, 3 or Vegas then you are delusional... 2 is a dated, charming, glitchy, random luck based, frustrating bit of fun.... the game mechanics held it back... but it formed the framework for what was to come..
To be honest, fallout should have been a drama tv show with horror elements rather than this quirky borderlands style comedy show. It's a shame that writing has been completely taken over by insufferable millennials who think peak comedy is what ever shit sitcom they grew up with.
@@Sarcasmses I see a pattern in modern fallout games and the show - for example the Brotherhood was not only needlesly brought back in 4 but also it was brought back as a completly different faction, same in the show, season 2 they will tackle new vegas and i really dont want to know how thats going to end.
@@Sarcasmses why did Shady Sands move to Southern California? Why did they turn Roger Maxson into a pacifist? Why are there super mutants in Appalachia (or anywhere on the East coast for that matter)? Why does the world look like it just blew up last week 200+ years after the war? All evidence that Todd doesn’t give a shit. Where’s your evidence? Look, Todd and his ZeniMax shareholders only wanted to take the name Fallout for himself, not honor it.
@@dumpanimator also the way less significant vipers and jackals, all racially distinct as the experiment in the vault was essentially racial diversity and that lead to them being segmented off into groups. Vipers and jackals were also supposed to be in FO1 but were unfortunately cut.
@@eagleowl833 It normalises the behaviour. Real-life corporation does something bad, or borderline evil even?: "Ah well, corporations will be corporations"
I mean to be completely serious though are we trying to argue that only movies that are independently funded by 100% “ethical” means can criticize corporations, capitalism, or the rich? This seems a little “you don’t like capitalism yet you have an iPhone?” adjacent.
@@Deafulttressady I understand what you mean, it's more of an observation. Though it's more about the underlying message. More or less, it's about more than corporations are bad or white straight men are bad. It's about corrupt people, there's a bit more but i'm going to let you figure that one out.
Don't project your ignorance onto others. Your entire opinion on how Sinclair looks is based of an artistic in game depiction that appears only once amd that could very well be a fake one that is supposed to be flattering
@@funki4896 now you saying that it might be a fake depiction is literally head-cannon. You’re guessing Sinclair was lying about his image, we know little of the character to do something like this. I am only stating what I’m seeing and even if it is one image in reference to him as a mural it should be upheld regardless of “we’re not gonna follow some terminal entry from 10 years ago”.
@@funki4896 Except Gollum is portrayed more or less alike to his book counterpart, except for having clothes and his webbed feet, whereas Sinclair looks not even remotely close to his in game appearance.
"You dont understand giant lizards and robot suits and zombies is cool and realisitc! Bro its just like a super dark metaphor for like america, war and capitalism!"
@@CelebriedadIt wasn’t just about that (though it was a big part of it) Fallout was also supposed to be a post POST apocalypse where you personally decide (depending on how you made your backstory) what you thought was best for the wasteland and on the main and side quests where you had to make a lot of morality questionable decisions that didn’t always have a clear answer on which was the right one.
@@Son_Kar I totally agree on that. Gameplay wise, that's what makes the series so appealing. However, I think it's a deeper aspect of the game that's harder to sell to a general audience on a tv show. I mean, you learn about all those shades of grey by talking to many npcs and doing lots of side quests. I think the focus of the director of the show was in nailing the overall atmosphere of the game and just graced the surface of the complex moral ambiguity of the series, mainly for laughs thorugh Lucy and her initial naivety.
@@Celebriedad Well you could possibly pull off that type of moral ambiguity in the games but to a lesser extent in a show but the biggest problems would be limited time and hooking an audience without boring them to death with the main themes. A channel that I used to watch called Just The Facts (before he deleted it, I think he was messaging kids inappropriately or something) on why the Marvel movies suck and I think it applies here as well “The problem is that these movies/shows are marketed to be relatable and entertaining to the advantage individual but the advantage individual just isn’t that interesting, most of them are just 20 to 40 year olds who are only interested in smoking pot and watching explosions and comedy on TV”.
They aren't though, the shows depiction is better then the games simply because it's more accurate to real radiation burns. Radiation doesn't just making you a shambling zombie mate, you aren't just going to melt from radiation like that without very very very specific conditions being met.
@greygoo6945 Just because some rules of reality are stretched for the sake of the setting, doesnt mean that all those rules should be tossed out the window entirely. Something Bethesda and its fanbase seems to have trouble grasping.
@greygoo6945 suspension of belief does not mean that a depiction of some fictional creature can't be reiterated in some other shape or form, might be creative differences and style, if ya like the old design, good, if the new one sucks for you then that's too bad.
@@TheBetrayed1 the fallout games literally mention necrosis of the skin as one of the side effects of ghoulification. It's not just radiation that causes it, FEV also plays a role in becoming a ghoul
It was that way in fallout 4 to be honest. This series feels so much more inspired by the "ooh look cool stuff" of 4 than the intricate storytelling of 1, 2, and NV.
@@mudkipmadness7072even Fallout 4 didn’t go full retread with the power armor, there was no stupid mask opening or arm and boot thrusters capable of jetting across the sky, I didn’t like the Fallout 4 jet pack but at least it was made somewhat believable by having it be a large piece of equipment that only allowed you to ascend a few stories before needing to land again.
You're spot on about the Brotherhood being butchered. Realistically, Thaddeus and Maximus never should have been promoted to be squires when they lack skill in vital areas. The Brotherhood was never incompetent like this. They're an organization that is supposed to be highly disciplined and educated. Instead, the show makes them into a very on the nose bloodthirsty cult.
Fallout 3. Shut up, yes they have been that incompetent. Maybe actually pay attention when you play the games man, the writing isn't all that great. Fallout 1, 2, and vegas are exceptions. And even then the writing for 1 & 2 wasn't all that great either because they didn't have the full vision yet.
@@TheBetrayed1 I though they were poorly written in Fallout 3 and Fallout 4, but the show takes it to a whole new level. Don't really think you can measure it up even to Fallout 4's writing. Fallout is becoming a boring series with the main focus always being the Brotherhood, super mutants, ghouls, and power armor (the most marketable aspects). New Vegas has a much smaller Brotherhood presence, power armor was hard to get, ghouls were used sparingly, and super mutants were used sparingly. Therefore, when you met these groups, it was a lot more impactful. Didn't make the game any worse. Also don't understand how Fallout 1 and 2 couldn't be well thought out just because they were the first in the series (you'd have to say that every first game in a franchise was not well thought out or well written). Just think it's another case of another team picking up a franchise, but not measuring up to the talents of the previous creators. Nothing to get too angry about or take too personally.
I honestly think Bethesda and Amazon really want to do Warhammer 40K, but since Games Workshop is so stingy with their IPs they just rook Fallout and made the Brotherhood of Steel a combination of the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Iron Hands Space Marines. Power armors suddenly having booming voices like Space Marines, and the fact they come off less like actual tech experts and more akin to the Admech who worship technology while not actually knowing how it works and instead pray to it and burn incense and rub scented oils on it instead of actually repairing it.
Thaddeus and maximus would have been knights like 5-10 years ago, they're both like 30, why the fuck are they initiates when initiates are basically supposed to be 16 to maybe like 22 at oldest.
On the last part, it’s doubtful considering the inconsistency Bethesda has had in its own original Elder Scrolls series. Inconsistency is a common part of Elder Scrolls between installments. They literally change climates all over the map over 4-6 years between elder scrolls 3 and 4. They change the Dark Brotherhood from being special forces for The Empire in Morrowind to being an underground group of assassins who are criminals to the Empire. All I’m saying is that the inconsistencies aren’t really evidence of being a spiteful move against Obsidian by Bethesda, because they are par the course for Bethesda, even with their own native Elder Scrolls series.
As with everything post Bethesda (except NV), it reduces Fallout to its most superficial elements. Power Armor! Ghouls! Vaults! BoS! LOOK! IT HAS ALL THE FALLOUT THINGS!!
I remember someone saying that it wasn’t trying to “nostalgia bait” you, but everything added (in every scene) was jangling keys for normies to point out and compare to the games…
It is the same mentality with how disney sees star wars. That flashgitz video was pretty much spot on: put star wars iconography on a ton of shiyt, and it becomes star wars.
To be fair, that happens in FO3 as well. It is easy to excuse for the fact that it’s in Washington D.C. instead of California, but you he Brotherhood of Steel and Enclave having a Deus Ex Machina existence doesn’t do too many favors
Here's a hope, but i doubt it will happen. Unless all of those FO-«influencers» who had praised it go out publicly how bad the show is and their «followers» don't start bleating about every fallout fan being vaild, there's no way the general public opinion of the franchise will change.
Once season 2 drops the hype will revive. If it’s anything like the boys reception then it’ll take a few seasons before the masses realize it’s trash (but they’ll only call the later seasons trash)
I was skeptical of the show right from when the trailer dropped. Seeing a Shady Sands Public Library sign in a ruin, next to a metropolis, and with the ticking of a geiger counter told me that expectations should be tempered. Then it released, and we got nigh immortal ghouls, anti-feral meds, inconsistant power armour capability, Iron Man flight rather than jetpacks, and a hoard of people praising it because of "feelings". It is not Fallout. It is Bethesda Fallout - a theme park ride with all those familiar pictures on cardboard cutout standees, but nothing behind them.
@@maximilianbourgh8345it’s honestly not that bad it’s flawed by hardcore fans standards but it’s still a pretty good show overall and the best thing it does as Tim Caine says it captures the feel of Fallout which is very hard to do.
Womp womp, the lore of your game franchise is changing. It happens to all Bethesda games, compare Arena to Skyrim and you'll see. Infact, compare Fallout 1 or Fallout 2 to Fallout 4 or Fallout 76 and you can see how much has changed.
@@Nomenoooooyour arguments ass. None of those games were made the same way this crap show was. This show is a hot wad of spit that was launched into the eyes of real fans and anyone who defends it truly has no personality of their own. The man who wrote the show is a braindead idiot who wrote a show for himself while calling fans impossible to please which is just an excuse to justify terrible writing and decisions. Justify it anyway you like this show is a piss poor excuse for an adaptation its basically the halo show with a different coat of paint
I think the main criticism we have to focus on the show could not exist because fallout 1 exists. The master is less than 100 mi away from this vault. That's out in the open. How did he miss it when mutants across the wasteland to find vaults
yes but yet again fo4 is the best entry game of the serise before deep diving to nv and fo3 then to the classic fallout gaames using fo4 as a base is not a bad idea using nv as a base is harder coz ur gonna piss off atleast half of the fans somehow not choosing one faction over the other or how they portray the legion will be
The Fallout show is yet another example of its showrunners ideology being nothing more than a self-preservation mechanism. The whole thing is demoralisation propaganda: taking something rich and complex, dumbing it down, and glorifying ugliness and evil within that thing. It was never meant to be intellectually stimulating, nor be a respectful homage to a series nearly three decades old. It was made to fuck with your head, while humiliating you, and pretending to be anti-establishment. It's parading around the corpse of a series that died in 2015, which started out as something fresh and new. Consider the fact that the show and its showrunners actively agree with everything that Google, Microsoft, Meta and Amazon aspouse and actively subsidise. Yet at the same time, it presents itself as being "anti-establishment" and "anti-capitalism". Isn't that strange? It stops being so strange when you realise that the people who run these companies share the same antisocial traits as the show runners, and those who would "philosophically" and "ideologically" agree with the writers. They have no overarching "philosophy" or "ideology": all of their thoughts and feelings are derived from their core destructive biology, and their every "belief" is an attempt to make sure that the socities which permit their existance continue to exist. In any other time and place, they would just be bandits, or a fatality of infant mortality. They contribute nothing of value really to anyone, and for that reason our society (which unjustly rewards them for doing basically nothing) is their ideal. You can call it "woke" or "liberal" writing if you wish, but it doesn't derive from ideologicaly conviction. It's mind poison made to wear you down, just like every other modern product, so that you don't create a world where these people aren't catered to, nor allowed to be antisocial. The fact that they have to make perversions of already established things of worth, points to just how little real power and ability they have. Media isn't a real battlefield of course, but it is a key part in demoralising any group. In that same way, it is also a key part in increasing and maintaining the morale of a group. The real message of Fallout 1 is that you need to wipe out all mutants for being genocidal utopian freaks. It's called MEDIA LITERACY, ok. Never lose your hope, your will, or your mind. In the end we will have a better tomorrow, and the sun will rise once more.
it's shallow criticism that goes nowhere. is the anti capitalism that sells, the perfect irony. meanwhile, the true anti capitalism is being crushed down by the same corps that makes it a product. the fallout games makes it pretty clear: even in the end of the world, the people will somehow be explored by this cockroach that cannot be killed, even by atomic bombs. Amazon, netflix, Hollywood, liberals, republicans, they're all that cockroach.
To add on to your rant about the music, one thing that always bothers me about the world building of Fallout is the lack of music, like people have been rebuilding society for over 200 years and no one ever creates or records music.
Well because the originals were trying to keep that desolate feel to it (which I prefer), while Bethesda tried to keep that, but added in a functional radio to indicate people are using music again to connect with one another. Music itself was never meant to be a staple of the series. Well except the background music.
i can't imagine the levels of arrogance and laziness it takes to write a show for a huge, popular franchise and not even be arsed to research it beforehand.
have you not seen what they've done since the 90's?? the very short version of what could be way longer...I hate game adaptation movies/shows, 1990-current the movie biz has never respected games as a legit artform and are merely exploiting it for profit which is fine in a vacuum but when you disrespect the source fans should reject.... without respect we reject! that should always be the way!
Ok I disagree with you I loved the show I’m a die hard fallout fan and a lot of love is shown not A lot of classic stuff but there is a lot the only big problem I got with it is the stupid vials I prefer Gould being ticking time bombs with them going feral but all around it does have love put in this show is not the halo show (thank god) but it is trying to be its own thing I respect your opinion but IN MY OPINION I think they did do they’re research
@@Ragstag BGS is constantly turning their games into watered down trash.... Obsidian outdid em on all levels but F3 was actually closer to the horror and dark tone of the originals, New Vegas was much closer being made by Black isle who became obsidian after leaving interplay! I woulda been fine with more Fallout 3 like games cus at least it was a RPG... F4 is an ARPG that blew out the gfx and even then not impressive and their fixation on things that should not be out east... the mutants were defeated and dispersed. it's possible a few made it to the east coast but what about the legion? we're told their territory was the entirety of the midwest, east of the colorado river and likely west of the missouri river that's a lot of land for anyone to get through so the BOS they march through a decade before the legion formed? okay but what version are we accepting here? F3 or F4? are they changing out FC's or is it just armor?? cus if so the logistics don't line up, it'd be hard to walk across mountains and carry a literal ton of equipment and have to fight raiders and all that so again how'd they march 1000 miles?? in power armor! BGS just picks a solution and runs with it oh they marched but have you marched no help no equipment across the nation?? assuming you get all the water, food & sleep you need it's take at least a year to do...the marches in Europe in WW2 were much much much shorter distances than LA to DC! you have to cross rivers, desert, mountains, broken highway, rubble, sidestep radiation zones, and even ponds and lakes would pose a challenge, then there's the ruined cities and towns the BOS does not belong in DC in F3 and it comes down to the fans.... if they had made their own factions and made the game theres hardcore fans would reject it outright! they had to have stuff that made no sense to be there! but by doing so it opens em up to this kind of criticism.... eww it's okay? spoken like a true casual the show has terrible characters, 1 no BOS soldier would act like maximus and gety away with it and that was not how the BOS operates! 2 the chick is a moron....not one decision she made would be anything any real player would do! and we're supposed to root for this chick? 3 the ghoul looks more smooth skin than the smooth skins! 4 VAULT TEC DID NOT INSTIGATE THE WAR! the entire point was to never know the truth! it does not matter who started it or won cus the world was scorched!!! 5 the character Kyle MacLachlan plays is another sack of shit! good actor but jeeezus! 6 the 3 vault vault is friggin stupid! 7 it is physically impossible for that vault to open up into the boneyard LA , there was vault 13, 12 and 11? in the region, Shady sands was a little east of LA and vault 13 was a little east of that....they retconned the older games! so no this show is nothing more than more BGS garbage!!! eww i liked it i disagree wel you are wrong sir! you like trash! now good day!
@@judgedrekk2981 yeah is guy right here is where a lot my problems with classic fans come from and I am a classic fan but I don’t go out of my way to insult people for liking other games I do agree that skills desperately need to return but here is an example I know your going to hate Bethesda did the repair skill better in 3 than new Vegas on base use I like that we had a cap on repair depending on our repair skill it made since that you can’t repair an item to max durability if you not spec into repair also obsidian messed up with repaired by making it broken with jury rig there is no point using vendor repair in new Vegas when jury rig just exist it’s a great perk but it is one of the most overpowered perks in the game another example I prefer bubble heads over snow globes if you kill house before turning in them you won’t get the reward but with bobble heads they help you and promote you to explore again obsidian and black isle are great devs but they messed up too they made tactic and brotherhood of steel so if you wanna be so critical of BSG then you need to be fair and understand that they can mess up too let’s not forget that fallout one and two are broken ending slide that can either be unobtainable or don’t work hardcore in new Vegas is not nearly as good in 4 they nailed hardcore in 4 removing fast travel and making it with save on sleep literally made me feel like I’m playing fallout one and two with the insane difficulty jump let’s not forget BSG gave us VATS and gave us sprinting in four as well as putting the power in power armor but also with vault thirteen and shady they moved in fallout two as well dude but yes they did mess up fallout 1 and 2 lore at times but to say this was made without love is disrespectful to the original team of fallout because a lot of love is shown from bats like combat to the random encounters to how every end credit is the classic zoom out shot also fallout one and two haven’t reallly aged well with the humor I’ve played both and wow can they be a little crass and also funny enough they don’t take themselves seriously 24/7 dude the show may not be perfect but it was made with care and is trying to be its own thing as well so going around acting like a child over people having a different opinion will never bring fallout to its glory days again
Exactly. They're pulling a Last Jedi on Fallout by killing their past. Bethesda does open world exploration well. They do not have skill at storytelling or worldbuilding, at least since the days of Ted Peterson, Julian Lefay, & Michael Kirkbride.
@SwampTrooper2005 I mean, those same people were also starting up their own company and were going to buy Fallout back. But of course, Bethesda outbid them. No one ever likes to mention that part for some reason.
@@nickelakon5369though I wonder if it’s just that chapter, in Fallout 4 there are terminal entries that talk about how some chapters have been going as far as worshiping Maxson and he’s been working hard to put that down. Since he wants to be seen as the best of what humanity enhanced by technology can be not a deity.
Because people who filmed it or watched it are United in one. They never were familiar with what fallout is. That is because the Bethesda corrupted and inverted the entire sense of fallout universe. From a concept of a game that meant to portrait how society rebuilds itself after the nuclear war stepping into same stuff pre war world did (corruption, lust, wars, grief) and that’s all in retro futurism wrapping, Bethesda turned the franchise into a circus, filled with retro futurism jokes yet hollow inside. Original fallout just got stripped of the ideas such as BoS and Enclave and turned into Todd’s power fantasy about good guys fighting the evil ones. There’s no plot, no sense, no eternal core meaning. You don’t have factions that conquest lands and clash one another representing different ideas making players to decide which one suits their beliefs more, it’s just plain and bold “good guys vs bad guys”. It’s literally just people who played FO4 or FO3 completely skipping NV as if it was some spinoff, whilst it’s exactly the best representation of what fallout meant to be.
And here I thought I was going insane with so many people saying the series is a masterpiece while I watched the first 2 episodes and thought to myself "Wow, this is utter bullshit." and it didnt get better from there on.
The Fallout show is a perfect representation of how Fallout gamers experience the world, with very little understanding of whats going on, mashing through speech options, and killing everything they see.
every comment I see talking about the show always says its enjoyable or its good, but doesnt go into depth on WHY its good to begin with. The show is fun to look at, but once you try to dissect it, it literally falls apart cause the main story is trash and fails as an entry in the franchise.
It’s good dumb fun I think. And Goggins commands the screen. But if you start to look at it critically in any way as a fan of the series, all bets are off.
Fallout 3 find your Father Fallout 4 find your son Fallout 76 Find your Overseer ? not to sure on the story of that game (never played) Fallout show Find your Father AGAIN!!!
That billionaire meeting scene mind boggled me. Like the lore in Fallout games are clear that the mega-corporations were planning for a post-post-apocalyptic world and nobody except Mr. House knew when will the first nuclear bombs will drop in America. So why did the show blame it on the billionaires? I got the point of their message, but in the process they made a simple lore into a very goofy and unbelievable origin for the nuclear wasteland.
Brain dead plot, brain dead characters, brain dead writers making this utter tripe. A couple thoughts on fallout political ideas: Fallout mocked some of the 50s anti communist propaganda but never said communism was a good thing. Corporations cannot be evil; people are evil. If evil people run a corporation, the corporation will be evil. Fallout NV was so expertly written there were a few times were character interactions would have you wondering if maybe the legion were a net positive for the Mojave. The show has all the subtlety and nuance of a sledgehammer to the nads.
Dont forget that Sinclair's own contractors were undercutting the construction costs for the Villa as well. Dead Money was a good critique of big business and all the shady sh*t that was going on. The Writers for this show would screw that up given the chance. Imagine if we had a show based on Dead Money..
Would actually be amazing, could picture it ending on *Spoiler lol* Sinclair dying by the vault and then we get Vera in the suite breaking down and overdosing on Med-X Seriously the voice actress for Vera voiced those lines very well honestly.
4:50 I simply must ask a source be cited for the claim we “know” the Chinese dropped the first nuke. From my understanding it was never answered definitively prior to the show who hit the button first, as the point was ultimately that the answer didn’t matter as the message of fallout is that we should’ve never gotten to the point where the threat of nukes was even an idea.
Fallout 2, when you meet the Enclave President, Dick Richardson close to the end of the game, he gives an account about how the Chinese launched the nukes rather than be conquered by American troops
@ I think an argument could be made for his account being unreliable. The enclave had spent a century to that point in deep seclusion, convinced that they would re-establish America, the greatest country to ever exist. It would make sense for them to believe the Chinese launched first as America being to blame for the end of the world would seriously fuck with their ideals. Granted, as the Enclave is pretty the only organization who existed pre-war and who would have actual records however sparse of the time, they still have some credibility. Which is to say, personally I don’t buy it but they are the only ones left to answer the question.
@@Br0Dud3 At first, it would seem that way, but in the opening of Fallout 4 it states on the News that there is a massing of American Troops in Japan and Taiwan to fully Invade China. That actually goes with what Dick Richardson said about “We were about to win”. They were about to win. The USA literally amassed a full invasion force to March in and land on the shores of mainland China. This is Bethesda Lore from Fallout 4. but what happened in Fallout 4 is that the game started with you literally there, living in the last hours before everything got nuked, a literal firsthand experience of what was going on in 2077. Now you can pick and choose whether or not to include Bethesda Canon, but that would make a literal video of all the details shown in Fallout games that China fired first. I do feel that what the Enclave did give was a glorified narrative similar to what we would see about movies about the American Revolution in earlier days.
I get the feeling whoever wrote the Fallout TV show is just as butthurt as Emil over the fact that Fallout New Vegas is so much better written than Fallout 3 and 4 and 76. Why else would they destroy all the classic Fallout lore in ways that only showed me they don't even know the lore that well?
Inconsistency is literally what Bethesda does. I could literally go on a video longer than this one talking about the inconsistencies between The installments of Bethesda’s Elder Scrolls series of open world games.
if they set the show in texas and replaced the brotherhood with ceasars legion a lot of the problems and lore issues with the show could have been easily fixed
Which leads me back to wondering how far East The Legion extended. We know the Legion was present heavily in Colorado and Arizona, but how far East did they extend? It’s why a Fallout game in Texas would potentially be interesting. You could go into the Eastern limits of The Legion and also add some other factions as well.
My head cannon with Mr House is that he went to the meeting and just acted like he was going along with the end the world plan and the meeting just gave him more confirmation that war was coming however head cannon dosent matter when logic and reason are things obscure and strange to the pen of the writer
The fact that this show retroactively ruins nearly all characterization the player character gives to the NCR in New Vegas by arbitrarily deciding that the NCR just dies anyways is so stupid, and it's representation of the BoS is borderline psychotic. Insane show. Great video.
The fucked up thing is that the way the NCR goes out isn't even something related to the problems we see in NV or the choices we can make in that game. Some guy got mad that his wife left him, so he Nuked the NCR's equivalent of D.C. and it all fell apart within a few years? The NCR still had like dozens if not hundreds of other cities and towns under it's belt by the time of NV. That's not to say that losing Shady Sands wouldn't have been a huge blow, but it wouldn't have destroyed the entirety of the NCR to the point where everything collapsed back to Fallout 1's conditions. Even if it *did*, what about The Shi, who are right near the NCR and would have a personal interest in either helping to keep things stable, outright conquering a lot of the NCR's utilities, or at the very least stomping out the new raider groups to keep their own city state safe? If the USA got nuked tomorrow and Washington D.C. was turned to ash, there would definitely be a period of anarchy, but at the very least the surviving states would either work to keep things stable or balkanize and form new nations to protect their own interests, not just fall apart. There's also no chance that the BOS in hiding stamped out everything to do with the NCR as a civilization in the weeks following the nuke either, because they had nowhere near the amount of people necessary for that kind of attack, nor would the West Coast BOS start killing off random farmers and civilians for the sake of it lol.
I think the will canonize the ending of Vegas in the only way possible: everyone lost regardless of who you picked. War never changes or something like that. There being NO winner in Vegas to some would feel like a slap in the face, but idk
I'm, I dunno, I'm pretty sure the NCR still exists, in the show it's said shady sands was the FIRST capitol of the NCR so there was probably more and the fact that they never said that the NCR collapsed, I'm pretty sure they were just just that they decided not to cover it
I disagree on the basis that Fallout 1 and 2, maybe 3 and NV down the line, would've made for an amazing anthology show if they were animated and handled by the right people. Someone like Genndy Tartakovski could've made Fallout into the West's answer to the Jojo problem, and if you don't believe me, just look at oldschool Samurai Jack or the Clone Wars 2003 animated specials.
@@uberd3323 Sorry. I get annoyed as a Fallout fan when people mention the show when they know I don't have prime. Making a videogame into a TV show loses the original purpose of a videogame. Games like Fallout is supposed to be fun and something to interact with where you can escape reality and imagine yourself as a badass apocaliptic hero or villain doing what you need to in order to survive. If you have make it into a show, then it loses that spark.
@@nickelakon5369 Only maximus is weak. The writing still reeks of Bethesda because there's a line of "the vaults were for the super rich to stay while the poor died" which is like how liberals today complain about founding fathers owning slaves. More Bethesda & Hollywood leftist bias; because the people on Filly would be too poor and destitute to care about what happened 200 years ago.
Its even funnier to me that in the final episode they say to us that Moldaver and Lucy's mom were lesbians together because it just makes you think: "why did she have one of her goons have sex with lucy and then try to kill her if she is the daughter of her lover?"
@@tomlink5784 i dunno man, it looked that way to me what with how they held habds at the end and how they were always looking at each other. But maybe thats just me and the brainworms in my head. Who knows, we'll have to see next season to find out.
@@tomlink5784lol like that’s going to stop progressives in entertainment from hinting or humoring that rumor. The boys did it, what makes you think this show won’t?
@@iamfine2624modern entertainment love to include this type of garbage to us. They’ll not doubt make it canon to the story, but it will obviously serve no purpose but to placate the normies who wanted it lol.
I've been talking shit about fallout show since i watched it. i feel like All the big Fallout creators had to talk about how much they loved the show because they knew if they didn't they would be blasted by people watching their content. I wonder if the fallout content creators will decide the show is bad in a couple months when the hype is really dead
If Fallout show is the "pinnacle of movie adaptations" Then... movie adaptations have seriously hit the rock bottom if THATS what is considered a "pinnacle" these days. I mean, Fallout is okay i suppose. Clearly lore breaks are all over the place, but it's enjoyable enough if you shutdown your brain i suppose, but that doesn't make it a "pinnacle" it makes it tolerable at best. And if tolerable at best is considered "pinnacle" then dear god we're fucked.
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The fallout show is clear evidence that once was a trilogy of well written and thought provoking games has been turned to slop for the masses like everything else so much so that people now claim that no one played fallout one and two and that Bethesda made the series popular
@@joevines3428 I kinda consider 1, 2 and New Vegas the trilogy of the series since they follow the same West Coast storyline. (And also because the other games are kinda shit story-wise.)
Glad to see another fan who can see the obvious. This show gets so much praise from not just tourists but serious fans who have been around since Fo3, that I was starting to feel like a survivor in a body snatcher invasion, started by Bethesda. It’s so sad that Bethesda is hellbent on simplifying and dumbing down fallout until even moders won’t be able to save it. I swear if Bethesda manages to stay around to make a few more fallouts, fallout will basically be farcry: new dawn.
There’s many, but they’re overshadowed by larger normie channels who always fence sit on anything nuance. If said thing is popular, they’re going to bandwagon and say it’s ‘good’.
Knew it was gonna be bad when the Jonathan Nolan kept talking about it being a story of “the haves and have nots” and then made that the main tagline of the show. No, that’s not what Fallout is about at all. It also has nothing to do with the plot of the show lmao…
Did you miss Mauler tearing it apart scene by scene? Or the dozens of others doing similar? The show is an atrocity, a crime against humanity. In the future, this show will be used in the tribunals that will sentence the managerial class to their well deserved fates.
Few people had reasonable reactions to the show, it's a great show for people who had zero interest in the previous games or lore. But the minute you take the time to look into the shallow decision making for its plot points and characters, you stop liking it. If your a fan, you lost interest when vault-tec became the new boogeyman.
@mr.mclemon8605 in your own comment you said that the show has shallow plot points and characters. its a bad show. it doesnt matter if youre a fan of the games or not. it just happens to be that if you like the games it also shits all over them too
it really isn't though, it's more accurate to the lore then Fo3-Fo4 and Fo76. Like the only Bethesda Fo to beat it is NV. You lot are fucking diluted 😂. The show is terribly written but Bethesda is still worse. Bethesda pay piggies on their way to ignore the absolute horrendous decisions and writing in almost every game they make to call something else bad.
@Radscorp this IS bethesda. youre acting like this is somehow any different from their games. also, this show retcons literally every single west coast game, at the very least the bethesda games have been thousands of miles away. this show is shit, and its EXACTLY the same as the bethesda games. and to say that NV is a "betheda fallout" when the only attachment bethesda had to it was the engine and the publishing of the game is retarded. you saying this show is more accurate than the games is part of the problem. youre giving bethesda more reasons to continue to fuck up the old games
Anyone that claims this Show is peak adaptation or whatnot shows their level of understanding on that matter. Though than again, as someone else in the comment Section pointed out this show has perfectly adapted *Bethesdas* Version of Fallout. So take your pick I guess.
I can't agree on one thing - Lucy. Giving her a 5-6 is too much. At the end I couldn't guess whether she will kill or release her father, not because of some well developed suspension but because through the whole season she was jumping from acting solid to irrational. Character development means progress and some constant change, she don't have a progress, just act randomly.
I agree. It's decently entertaining and some things it adds aren't... too bad? But like, there's just... no nuance to it. The Brotherhood can't ACTUALLY be grey. You have to KNOW they're bad guys, not because of their flawed ideology which can fall apart under genuine thinking and scrutiny... but bc they beat the crap out of each other and haze each other ig! Which never happened in any of the games. And kills Squires for "not saving their Knight" even though in literally every game they're considered the most valuable members, which makes sense considering they should grow to be the best soldiers after being raised to serve the Brotherhood their entire lives. The NCR doesn't shrink bc of its weak borders, being spread out, corruption, nah. But bc Vault Tec (which SHOULDN'T BE AROUND ANYMORE) nuked them! Very few people in the show actually... talk like real people too. But that's just a lot of New Fallout writing. Fallout 2 is remembered for its very natural, yet still entertaining and actually thought provoking dialogue at times. Like, Myron is extra and clearly meant to evoke a certain feeling. But he still feels like someone you could actually meet in real life. None of the main characters feel very dimensional, they're all like, 3 character traits each that MAYBE slightly change by the end. Usually just from "oh I thought i wanted X but really it was Y" and "Oh before i was scared and weak but now I'm slightly stronger and not afraid"
@@istrumguitars No, it's dumb because anyone that's played Fallout 2 knows Vault-Tec is just a part of the Enclave. And we already dealt with them in Fallout 2 and 3. All this shit about Vault-Tec taking over already happened, decades ago in a much better story than this. Hell, even New California, the mod, is a better continuation of that storyline than this.
What I would've changed: Make it simply a story about Lucy trying to save her dad, and free her Vault from a raider gang. Don't try to expand into the histories or or mess lore beyond what is required to tell the story (basic stuff like who are the raider, why are they interested in the Vault) Keep the NCR alive. Things are far more interesting by using elements of the NCR while it is alive and not random boring cults and generic raiders. (Use the Rangers as fun characters that help Lucy out, show Lucy that civilisation has survived and the way it works and sucks (example: just the entirety of New Reno). Recharacterise the BoS as a small remnant from the NCR-BoS war working to take revenge against them. Don't make the Maximus a moronic idiot. Use him to show the BoS philosophy to Lucy and try to poison her against the NCR (e.g. When they get to New Reno he points out how the NCR fails to govern those who make them rich, those who use technology (gambling, drugs, advanced weapons) to effectively enslave a population dry). No pre-war flashbacks, keep it in the present. If you need to have something for the Ghoul, use his movies, or photos of his (now gone) wife and daughter or at best faded memories.
Maybe I’m not remembering right, but I remember that in the fallout lore, no one knew who dropped the bombs, so wouldn’t it be far fetched to say that China dropped the bombs first? I haven’t seen anything about China dropping the bombs first, everything I’ve seen or heard over the past few years was that no one knew who struck first, all we know is the world was ended by it. But if it is cannon that China dropped the nukes (which would make sense considering the Americans had a land invasion in both mainland China and Mongolia) then it makes no sense why the writers decided to switch it up and say vault tec dropped the bombs But also vault tec is heavily interlinked with the enclave, and the enclave wants a clean reset, and total control, so I could definitely see the enclave influencing vault tec to drop the bombs especially seeing how prepared the enclave was to wait out the bombs and nuclear fire
While it was never outright confirmed in-game who launched first, it was heavily implied (to the degree that it may as well have been outright stated) in several of the games (Fallout 2, 3, and 4) that China did launch their nukes first, and that the US retaliated. Vault-Tec supposedly having ties to the Enclave doesn't explain much either, given that the Enclave president in Fallout 2 tells the player that they were finishing relocating their resources/staff to the oil rig when the bombs dropped, implying that China's launching of the nukes even took them by surprise, or at the very least wasn't an expected move at the time.
President Dick Richardson in Fallout 2 laid it out. The United States were landing their invasion of mainland China, China decided to nuke America rather than be conquered. Yes that’s spoilers for the ending of Fallout 2, but that’s where the narrative comes from. Fallout 4 on TV news before the nukes, if you watch it as the main character, you hear about the invasion of mainland China being set up on the islands, then you hear “OMG they really did it!” (meaning China launched nuclear missiles). China in the Fallout universe felt that they had nothing left. And given how The United States had nuclear fusion energy taking off, which if they didn’t get nuked, could have been a survival from running out of oil with some bumps in the road along the way, and didn’t have much motive to launch nukes first.
I agree that you made many good points throughout your video, but I would like to provide a counter argument to your first point. I feel that having the executives decide to nuke the world could be looked at as another version of war never changes. Most wars are started by people who think that they could make a perfect utopia if only they could control the world and teach people how to become better. The executives and vault-tec thought that if they were able to wipe the world and rebuild it themselves by teaching people how to be better, that the world would be perfect. This is obviously not the case but I can understand why they would think that their plan would work because people have believed that bad plans would work before and they will continue to do so because many people think they’re brilliant when they really aren’t all that smart. Great video, keep up the good work.
The hysteria from people who can't handle that someone might not like the current thing they like is disgusting. You only live once, don't lie to yourself if you smell bullcrap when you're told it's a flower
@@insertjokeh3r3 Think whatever you want, it’s clearly moving toward a better story. Like 90% of all Fallout quest lines are terribly writing but get better as the story progresses. That’s what happening here.
This show disappointed the hell out of me. I immediately noticed that the dates didn't line up. Then I saw Todd Howard saying, "muh unreliable narrator, always been in Fallout". Fucking no, Todd. Fallout isn't the Elder Scrolls. For the most part, the known facts line up no matter which in game lore terminal you look at. It's only the clandestine actions that weren't well recorded that are disputed, and that's not an "unreliable narrator", it's a game of telephone, and if Todd paid any attention to the franchise he was falsely claimed in a ton of internet articles at the time to "have created Fallout", he'd know that's a bullshit answer. Fallout Amazon was created for woke virtue signaling. A trans Brotherhood of Steel recruit is the immediate first clue. Veronica had to break up with her girlfriend because the BoS is not fond of lezzing out in their ranks, but they're recruiting the trans people? Sure, bud. Also New Vegas is completely decimated just few years after the Courier resolved it's issues? Not buying it. And Shady Sands was nuked, and the NCR simply fizzled away? No. No. Fuck this show, I'm tossing it in the 76 dumpster.
1. it is never stated the character they're playing is trans so people can shut up about that. 2. they haven't denied or confirmed the NCR is still around or not. 3. we still don't know what happened to new Vegas from one shot. 4. how do you know Ulysses could have been a unreliable narrator about your past, vault-tec are unreliable narrators they lied about the vaults fallout has had a few unreliable narrators or some that could be unreliable narrators. 5. but if you don't agree with any of this the quote "the people who hate fallout the most is fallout fans" is true
@@z10fury73 2. Aragorn's pants. It is obviously destroyed, or at least crippled enough to not be a singular entity. 3. Aragorn's pants. They showed the heavily damaged city with destroyed securitrons on the streets, what do you think happened? 4. Retroactively cover the lore fuckups with "muh unreliable narrators" is retarded. 5. Bethesda Fallout is not Fallout, so hating on it is perfectly reasonable for a Fallout fan.
Haven’t touched it, watched several clips on RUclips, immediately hated it. What an insult to the writers who actually wrote and explored a topic that had more nuance than whatever the hell this recreation is trying to push… It’s unfortunate, because the ghoul is actually an interesting character.
I look at the show the same way that I look at Bethesda's Fallout games. Zero narrative consistency, ignoring or retconning the lore they don't like/didn't write, choices that have no consequences and a desire to keep people in fallout in a state of scrap hobos living in literal piles of garbage. I've put The Fallout show into its own continuity just to enjoy the fallout games because this show made me not want to anymore.
@@mysampleid i dont get people getting angry cuz "oh no, my niche thing is gettin popular" why the hell you like to gatekeep this franchise? Cant they play fallout cuz they arent ogs? but ok, i get what you mean abt the show.
@@emixter1877 because gatekeeping is the only solution for the series not to become garbage, unfortunately Fallout became garbage after the release of 4 and 76. And the tv show made the situation even worse.
@@mysampleid Too bad, lol. As a fan of both the old and modern games/media, I see the good things in both. I am convinced everyone on this video's comment section who hate the show are gate keeping elitists like you or NCR simps who don't seem to understand that the NCR was already dying on the inside. I honestly expected this video to have haters be in a circlejerk in the comments, and whaddya know, I was right. The show has flaws but I've seen worse, oh I've seen worse from other adaptations.
@@emixter1877who the hell are you to tell us what we can’t gatekeep? You don’t just get to enter a space made popular (more specifically monetarily viable) for normies and grifters to latch on to…Look at what people like you did to Star Wars, killed it, like you killed every franchise that you fake nerds pretend to like!
Think about this. There's a 50% chance that they will nuke New Vegas in the next season, and by that, totally make any plotpoint made in that game irrelevant to the whole franchise. Todd does love to explode, what people before him came up with. He did it to Morrowind, he did it to Shady Sands. The teaser at the end, with Hank arriving there in the last scene of the show, made me think of no other possible future for Sin city. Overall I found alot of entertainment in the weird side characters. Yes, Bethesda is ruining the lore in every way that soothes them. But they have been doing that for 18 years, so I came to terms with that long ago. Now, I'm into Fallout for the small glimmers of that Spark, that the setting allows for, no matter who is writing it. The Fallout you want, died with Interplay and Black Isle Studio. May it rest in pieces, that Todd keeps Nuking...
This really changed my perspective on the show. I dont know if they can change the course of this show, but I really hope they do, no matter how unlikely it is
Fans who don’t like the show: pEopLe whO wAtch ARen’T trUe faNS. Fans who like the show: PeoPle wHO diSLike ThE shOw AreN’T ReAL FAns. It’s all the same cycle of whining and bitching over and over again
@@josecriollo6976 if you care about fallout it kinda is , like this show retcon decades Worth of lore + what did you expect when they destroyed 1 of the 3 largest and most recognizable factions, don't you know, but NCR is so popular that I saw people who were surprised that the real flag of California has a bear with 1 head (not kidding)
Thank you for showing passion for this series. I'm glad you did this so I don't have to. Is it really too much to ask that character motivations be thought about for longer than twenty seconds?
You have a little misunderstanding about House, he didn't want to save as many people that he could, he wanted to save Vegas, the city, not the people living in it, and his plan for the "future" is a total anarcho-capitalist dystopia, where the wanted to slaughter the Kings and any other factions that were against his own interest, like NCR, who he in his own words have a pesky alliance, and let not forget what he planned to do aftermath, like paying for any drop of water coming from Hoover Dam to the impoverish citizens of Free-side and the Farmers, the NCR may be corrupt, but House is a total Corpo with delusions of grandeur.
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Ulysses was right. Once a symbol loses its identity a pale imitation build without respect will follow.
I think you're wrong. Fallout show is the perfect Bethesda adaptation. Butchered lore, horrible writing, unlikable characters and cringe dialogue. The show mirrors the Bethesda fallouts flawlessly.
Real talk
I don't think alot of people make that distinction at all, when people say they like Fallout, its likely meant to be the Bethesda games not the classics, people should be rightfully called out for it, since they do not make that distinction between the classic/closely related titles of obsidian/Black Isle and the Modern titles of Bethesda. I bet if a lot of them played the classic games or nv or watched nuka break, their mind would shatter at the thought of having the opposite; consistent lore, better writing, complex characters, decent dialogue and better world building.
It's indeed the Fallout we have now, it's not the Fallout that _was._ This franchise changed after Troika was outbid by Bethesda.
Thats one interesting way to look at it. You are correct for sure. The shitshow is a cringe worthless adaptation of the bugthesda fanfictions nothing more.
@@danpaz9485 im 36.. I grew up playing Fallout 2 as a teen.... cost me £2 for PC at a market shop back on 03' or 04'... loved the dark music at the intro and menu screens, but if you think that game is better than Fallout 4, 3 or Vegas then you are delusional... 2 is a dated, charming, glitchy, random luck based, frustrating bit of fun.... the game mechanics held it back... but it formed the framework for what was to come..
To be honest, fallout should have been a drama tv show with horror elements rather than this quirky borderlands style comedy show.
It's a shame that writing has been completely taken over by insufferable millennials who think peak comedy is what ever shit sitcom they grew up with.
I think that Todd really really likes the brotherhood and he was kinda butthurt that ncr actually beats the brotherhood in helios
Todd hates everything that's popular that he didint create
@@woocashP What is your basis for this? Do you know him personally?
@@Sarcasmses I see a pattern in modern fallout games and the show - for example the Brotherhood was not only needlesly brought back in 4 but also it was brought back as a completly different faction, same in the show, season 2 they will tackle new vegas and i really dont want to know how thats going to end.
@@woocashP So making convoluted shit up to protect your ignorance, got it.
@@Sarcasmses why did Shady Sands move to Southern California? Why did they turn Roger Maxson into a pacifist? Why are there super mutants in Appalachia (or anywhere on the East coast for that matter)? Why does the world look like it just blew up last week 200+ years after the war? All evidence that Todd doesn’t give a shit. Where’s your evidence? Look, Todd and his ZeniMax shareholders only wanted to take the name Fallout for himself, not honor it.
It seems like the show writers forgot the NCR came from Vault 15
Yeah you are right
great khan and ncr was both from vault 15
@@dumpanimator also the way less significant vipers and jackals, all racially distinct as the experiment in the vault was essentially racial diversity and that lead to them being segmented off into groups.
Vipers and jackals were also supposed to be in FO1 but were unfortunately cut.
Not to mention vault fucking city too. They did not care when making this.
>TFW you know the showrunners will not remember MoeTheCentaur exists, he knows, and he sees them.
Or ghoul lore being completely wrong.
"Corporation bad"
Coming to you from a corporation.
Its weird, The Boys is in the same boat
@@eagleowl833 pretty much
@@eagleowl833 It normalises the behaviour. Real-life corporation does something bad, or borderline evil even?: "Ah well, corporations will be corporations"
I mean to be completely serious though are we trying to argue that only movies that are independently funded by 100% “ethical” means can criticize corporations, capitalism, or the rich? This seems a little “you don’t like capitalism yet you have an iPhone?” adjacent.
@@Deafulttressady I understand what you mean, it's more of an observation. Though it's more about the underlying message. More or less, it's about more than corporations are bad or white straight men are bad. It's about corrupt people, there's a bit more but i'm going to let you figure that one out.
Notice how Sinclair looks like Gizmo. I bet if you ask one of the show runners who Sinclair is in Fallout they would point to Gizmo.
that guy looks EXACTLY like gizm lmfaoo
Don't project your ignorance onto others. Your entire opinion on how Sinclair looks is based of an artistic in game depiction that appears only once amd that could very well be a fake one that is supposed to be flattering
@@funki4896 now you saying that it might be a fake depiction is literally head-cannon. You’re guessing Sinclair was lying about his image, we know little of the character to do something like this. I am only stating what I’m seeing and even if it is one image in reference to him as a mural it should be upheld regardless of “we’re not gonna follow some terminal entry from 10 years ago”.
@@boogame272 if the fans of Lord of the Rings had only half of your scrutiny on Gollum's look in the movies 🤣
@@funki4896 Except Gollum is portrayed more or less alike to his book counterpart, except for having clothes and his webbed feet, whereas Sinclair looks not even remotely close to his in game appearance.
"But Fallout is supposed to be stupid!"
-Fallout Tourists
"You dont understand giant lizards and robot suits and zombies is cool and realisitc! Bro its just like a super dark metaphor for like america, war and capitalism!"
@@gruggsming32 Well, it IS a methapor for America, War and Capitalism. It has been since Fallout 1, don't know what are you going on about there.
@@CelebriedadIt wasn’t just about that (though it was a big part of it) Fallout was also supposed to be a post POST apocalypse where you personally decide (depending on how you made your backstory) what you thought was best for the wasteland and on the main and side quests where you had to make a lot of morality questionable decisions that didn’t always have a clear answer on which was the right one.
@@Son_Kar I totally agree on that. Gameplay wise, that's what makes the series so appealing. However, I think it's a deeper aspect of the game that's harder to sell to a general audience on a tv show. I mean, you learn about all those shades of grey by talking to many npcs and doing lots of side quests.
I think the focus of the director of the show was in nailing the overall atmosphere of the game and just graced the surface of the complex moral ambiguity of the series, mainly for laughs thorugh Lucy and her initial naivety.
@@Celebriedad Well you could possibly pull off that type of moral ambiguity in the games but to a lesser extent in a show but the biggest problems would be limited time and hooking an audience without boring them to death with the main themes.
A channel that I used to watch called Just The Facts (before he deleted it, I think he was messaging kids inappropriately or something) on why the Marvel movies suck and I think it applies here as well “The problem is that these movies/shows are marketed to be relatable and entertaining to the advantage individual but the advantage individual just isn’t that interesting, most of them are just 20 to 40 year olds who are only interested in smoking pot and watching explosions and comedy on TV”.
honestly i don't really like how ghouls look in the series
they're suppose to be actually rotting, not look like deadpool
They aren't though, the shows depiction is better then the games simply because it's more accurate to real radiation burns. Radiation doesn't just making you a shambling zombie mate, you aren't just going to melt from radiation like that without very very very specific conditions being met.
@@TheBetrayed1 Youre decaying for 200 years. ghouls shouldnt looke like the bombs *just* happened.
@greygoo6945 Just because some rules of reality are stretched for the sake of the setting, doesnt mean that all those rules should be tossed out the window entirely. Something Bethesda and its fanbase seems to have trouble grasping.
@greygoo6945 suspension of belief does not mean that a depiction of some fictional creature can't be reiterated in some other shape or form, might be creative differences and style, if ya like the old design, good, if the new one sucks for you then that's too bad.
@@TheBetrayed1 the fallout games literally mention necrosis of the skin as one of the side effects of ghoulification. It's not just radiation that causes it, FEV also plays a role in becoming a ghoul
I hate how power armor is just funny iron man suit
It was that way in fallout 4 to be honest. This series feels so much more inspired by the "ooh look cool stuff" of 4 than the intricate storytelling of 1, 2, and NV.
@@mudkipmadness7072even Fallout 4 didn’t go full retread with the power armor, there was no stupid mask opening or arm and boot thrusters capable of jetting across the sky, I didn’t like the Fallout 4 jet pack but at least it was made somewhat believable by having it be a large piece of equipment that only allowed you to ascend a few stories before needing to land again.
It seems that they read the Wikipedia article of fallout 4 and new Vegas and made a show out of it
The Marvel cinematic universe and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
They're trying to turn it and the Brotherhood of Steel into Space Marines.
You're spot on about the Brotherhood being butchered. Realistically, Thaddeus and Maximus never should have been promoted to be squires when they lack skill in vital areas. The Brotherhood was never incompetent like this. They're an organization that is supposed to be highly disciplined and educated. Instead, the show makes them into a very on the nose bloodthirsty cult.
Fallout 3. Shut up, yes they have been that incompetent. Maybe actually pay attention when you play the games man, the writing isn't all that great. Fallout 1, 2, and vegas are exceptions. And even then the writing for 1 & 2 wasn't all that great either because they didn't have the full vision yet.
@@TheBetrayed1 I though they were poorly written in Fallout 3 and Fallout 4, but the show takes it to a whole new level. Don't really think you can measure it up even to Fallout 4's writing. Fallout is becoming a boring series with the main focus always being the Brotherhood, super mutants, ghouls, and power armor (the most marketable aspects). New Vegas has a much smaller Brotherhood presence, power armor was hard to get, ghouls were used sparingly, and super mutants were used sparingly. Therefore, when you met these groups, it was a lot more impactful. Didn't make the game any worse. Also don't understand how Fallout 1 and 2 couldn't be well thought out just because they were the first in the series (you'd have to say that every first game in a franchise was not well thought out or well written). Just think it's another case of another team picking up a franchise, but not measuring up to the talents of the previous creators. Nothing to get too angry about or take too personally.
@@DrFudge-ky5ubMate this is a rendition series. It's going to use all the highlights of the series moron
I honestly think Bethesda and Amazon really want to do Warhammer 40K, but since Games Workshop is so stingy with their IPs they just rook Fallout and made the Brotherhood of Steel a combination of the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Iron Hands Space Marines. Power armors suddenly having booming voices like Space Marines, and the fact they come off less like actual tech experts and more akin to the Admech who worship technology while not actually knowing how it works and instead pray to it and burn incense and rub scented oils on it instead of actually repairing it.
Thaddeus and maximus would have been knights like 5-10 years ago, they're both like 30, why the fuck are they initiates when initiates are basically supposed to be 16 to maybe like 22 at oldest.
The show is junk, a clear attack at Obsidian's work and should not be considered cannon.
On the last part, it’s doubtful considering the inconsistency Bethesda has had in its own original Elder Scrolls series. Inconsistency is a common part of Elder Scrolls between installments. They literally change climates all over the map over 4-6 years between elder scrolls 3 and 4. They change the Dark Brotherhood from being special forces for The Empire in Morrowind to being an underground group of assassins who are criminals to the Empire. All I’m saying is that the inconsistencies aren’t really evidence of being a spiteful move against Obsidian by Bethesda, because they are par the course for Bethesda, even with their own native Elder Scrolls series.
Grow up
@Tchubbo piss off. Customers, potential or current get to have opinions, fascist.
@@scotth4713 Go on, kid
Literally impossible to accept everything as canon, so it's always a choice. I choose the only grouping of compatible entries: Fo, Fo2, Fo:NV
As with everything post Bethesda (except NV), it reduces Fallout to its most superficial elements. Power Armor! Ghouls! Vaults! BoS! LOOK! IT HAS ALL THE FALLOUT THINGS!!
Member Nuka-cola??!! Oooh I member!
New Vegas was old Obsidian just using Bethesda's engine. Emphasis on OLD Obsidian modern Obsidian couldn't keep the talent and is unrecognizable.
I remember someone saying that it wasn’t trying to “nostalgia bait” you, but everything added (in every scene) was jangling keys for normies to point out and compare to the games…
It is the same mentality with how disney sees star wars. That flashgitz video was pretty much spot on: put star wars iconography on a ton of shiyt, and it becomes star wars.
To be fair, that happens in FO3 as well. It is easy to excuse for the fact that it’s in Washington D.C. instead of California, but you he Brotherhood of Steel and Enclave having a Deus Ex Machina existence doesn’t do too many favors
I'm glad that Fallout Prime is undergoing The Force Awakens effect; the hype has passed, the tourists have moved on, the fans are speaking out.
Here's a hope, but i doubt it will happen. Unless all of those FO-«influencers» who had praised it go out publicly how bad the show is and their «followers» don't start bleating about every fallout fan being vaild, there's no way the general public opinion of the franchise will change.
Once season 2 drops the hype will revive.
If it’s anything like the boys reception then it’ll take a few seasons before the masses realize it’s trash (but they’ll only call the later seasons trash)
@@yaldabraxasthe show is not bad at all
@@TheFrostFilesPodcast Somehow the Enclave returned, we gotta find our father. Also, all the fan-favorite factions have been nuked out of frame.
@@yaldabraxas also "we once ruled the wasteland" (never lol)
I was skeptical of the show right from when the trailer dropped. Seeing a Shady Sands Public Library sign in a ruin, next to a metropolis, and with the ticking of a geiger counter told me that expectations should be tempered.
Then it released, and we got nigh immortal ghouls, anti-feral meds, inconsistant power armour capability, Iron Man flight rather than jetpacks, and a hoard of people praising it because of "feelings".
It is not Fallout. It is Bethesda Fallout - a theme park ride with all those familiar pictures on cardboard cutout standees, but nothing behind them.
Thickly layered style, paper-thin substance.
I simply do not consider the show as canon.
Glad I didn’t watch this show. 😂
Based and vegaspilled
@@maximilianbourgh8345it’s honestly not that bad it’s flawed by hardcore fans standards but it’s still a pretty good show overall and the best thing it does as Tim Caine says it captures the feel of Fallout which is very hard to do.
Womp womp, the lore of your game franchise is changing. It happens to all Bethesda games, compare Arena to Skyrim and you'll see. Infact, compare Fallout 1 or Fallout 2 to Fallout 4 or Fallout 76 and you can see how much has changed.
@@Nomenoooooyour arguments ass. None of those games were made the same way this crap show was. This show is a hot wad of spit that was launched into the eyes of real fans and anyone who defends it truly has no personality of their own. The man who wrote the show is a braindead idiot who wrote a show for himself while calling fans impossible to please which is just an excuse to justify terrible writing and decisions. Justify it anyway you like this show is a piss poor excuse for an adaptation its basically the halo show with a different coat of paint
"isn't buggy or glitchy on release"
my guy, they put the final episode title card in episode 3 and failed to put title cards in any after
I think the main criticism we have to focus on the show could not exist because fallout 1 exists. The master is less than 100 mi away from this vault. That's out in the open. How did he miss it when mutants across the wasteland to find vaults
The Fallout show feels like it was written by someone who's only familiarity with the material was playing Fallout 4 once
or 76
@@czarnakoza9697 lol I keep forgetting 76 exists
yes but yet again fo4 is the best entry game of the serise before deep diving to nv and fo3 then to the classic fallout gaames using fo4 as a base is not a bad idea using nv as a base is harder coz ur gonna piss off atleast half of the fans somehow not choosing one faction over the other or how they portray the legion will be
@@boom350ph post apo kino!!!
it looks like a show that a couple of ign gamer hipsters would fan make after just moderately enjoying their first Fallout 4 playthrough
The Fallout show is yet another example of its showrunners ideology being nothing more than a self-preservation mechanism.
The whole thing is demoralisation propaganda: taking something rich and complex, dumbing it down, and glorifying ugliness and evil within that thing. It was never meant to be intellectually stimulating, nor be a respectful homage to a series nearly three decades old. It was made to fuck with your head, while humiliating you, and pretending to be anti-establishment. It's parading around the corpse of a series that died in 2015, which started out as something fresh and new.
Consider the fact that the show and its showrunners actively agree with everything that Google, Microsoft, Meta and Amazon aspouse and actively subsidise. Yet at the same time, it presents itself as being "anti-establishment" and "anti-capitalism". Isn't that strange? It stops being so strange when you realise that the people who run these companies share the same antisocial traits as the show runners, and those who would "philosophically" and "ideologically" agree with the writers. They have no overarching "philosophy" or "ideology": all of their thoughts and feelings are derived from their core destructive biology, and their every "belief" is an attempt to make sure that the socities which permit their existance continue to exist.
In any other time and place, they would just be bandits, or a fatality of infant mortality. They contribute nothing of value really to anyone, and for that reason our society (which unjustly rewards them for doing basically nothing) is their ideal.
You can call it "woke" or "liberal" writing if you wish, but it doesn't derive from ideologicaly conviction. It's mind poison made to wear you down, just like every other modern product, so that you don't create a world where these people aren't catered to, nor allowed to be antisocial. The fact that they have to make perversions of already established things of worth, points to just how little real power and ability they have. Media isn't a real battlefield of course, but it is a key part in demoralising any group. In that same way, it is also a key part in increasing and maintaining the morale of a group.
The real message of Fallout 1 is that you need to wipe out all mutants for being genocidal utopian freaks. It's called MEDIA LITERACY, ok.
Never lose your hope, your will, or your mind. In the end we will have a better tomorrow, and the sun will rise once more.
it's shallow criticism that goes nowhere. is the anti capitalism that sells, the perfect irony. meanwhile, the true anti capitalism is being crushed down by the same corps that makes it a product.
the fallout games makes it pretty clear: even in the end of the world, the people will somehow be explored by this cockroach that cannot be killed, even by atomic bombs. Amazon, netflix, Hollywood, liberals, republicans, they're all that cockroach.
I didn’t think about this until now, but how do you “make up” a plague in a society filled with advanced medical equipment and staff
To add on to your rant about the music, one thing that always bothers me about the world building of Fallout is the lack of music, like people have been rebuilding society for over 200 years and no one ever creates or records music.
@@kbara6929 people do you see various musicians in fallout 2, new vegas has the lonesome drifter, the kings, etc.
Well because the originals were trying to keep that desolate feel to it (which I prefer), while Bethesda tried to keep that, but added in a functional radio to indicate people are using music again to connect with one another.
Music itself was never meant to be a staple of the series. Well except the background music.
Fallout New California has radio stations with new in universe music made post war.
Nukaworld DLC in 4 has Red Eye, who does his own songs.
@@nickelakon5369 and Agatha in f3, as well as magnolia in f4
BUT MY WIFES BOYFRIEND SAID IT WAS GOOD!!!
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what's up with new vegas fans having cuck fantasies
its way too goofy like it feels like a parody and feels generic
i can't imagine the levels of arrogance and laziness it takes to write a show for a huge, popular franchise and not even be arsed to research it beforehand.
have you not seen what they've done since the 90's??
the very short version of what could be way longer...I hate game adaptation movies/shows, 1990-current the movie biz has never respected games as a legit artform and are merely exploiting it for profit which is fine in a vacuum but when you disrespect the source fans should reject....
without respect we reject! that should always be the way!
It happens all the time in Hollywood. Adaptations are a money grubbing plague.
Ok I disagree with you I loved the show I’m a die hard fallout fan and a lot of love is shown not A lot of classic stuff but there is a lot the only big problem I got with it is the stupid vials I prefer Gould being ticking time bombs with them going feral but all around it does have love put in this show is not the halo show (thank god) but it is trying to be its own thing I respect your opinion but IN MY OPINION I think they did do they’re research
@@Ragstag BGS is constantly turning their games into watered down trash....
Obsidian outdid em on all levels but F3 was actually closer to the horror and dark tone of the originals, New Vegas was much closer being made by Black isle who became obsidian after leaving interplay!
I woulda been fine with more Fallout 3 like games cus at least it was a RPG...
F4 is an ARPG that blew out the gfx and even then not impressive and their fixation on things that should not be out east...
the mutants were defeated and dispersed. it's possible a few made it to the east coast but what about the legion? we're told their territory was the entirety of the midwest, east of the colorado river and likely west of the missouri river that's a lot of land for anyone to get through so the BOS they march through a decade before the legion formed? okay but what version are we accepting here? F3 or F4? are they changing out FC's or is it just armor?? cus if so the logistics don't line up, it'd be hard to walk across mountains and carry a literal ton of equipment and have to fight raiders and all that so again how'd they march 1000 miles?? in power armor!
BGS just picks a solution and runs with it oh they marched but have you marched no help no equipment across the nation?? assuming you get all the water, food & sleep you need it's take at least a year to do...the marches in Europe in WW2 were much much much shorter distances than LA to DC! you have to cross rivers, desert, mountains, broken highway, rubble, sidestep radiation zones, and even ponds and lakes would pose a challenge, then there's the ruined cities and towns
the BOS does not belong in DC in F3 and it comes down to the fans....
if they had made their own factions and made the game theres hardcore fans would reject it outright! they had to have stuff that made no sense to be there! but by doing so it opens em up to this kind of criticism....
eww it's okay? spoken like a true casual
the show has terrible characters, 1 no BOS soldier would act like maximus and gety away with it and that was not how the BOS operates!
2 the chick is a moron....not one decision she made would be anything any real player would do! and we're supposed to root for this chick?
3 the ghoul looks more smooth skin than the smooth skins!
4 VAULT TEC DID NOT INSTIGATE THE WAR! the entire point was to never know the truth! it does not matter who started it or won cus the world was scorched!!!
5 the character Kyle MacLachlan plays is another sack of shit! good actor but jeeezus!
6 the 3 vault vault is friggin stupid!
7 it is physically impossible for that vault to open up into the boneyard LA , there was vault 13, 12 and 11? in the region, Shady sands was a little east of LA and vault 13 was a little east of that....they retconned the older games! so no this show is nothing more than more BGS garbage!!! eww i liked it i disagree wel you are wrong sir! you like trash! now good day!
@@judgedrekk2981 yeah is guy right here is where a lot my problems with classic fans come from and I am a classic fan but I don’t go out of my way to insult people for liking other games I do agree that skills desperately need to return but here is an example I know your going to hate Bethesda did the repair skill better in 3 than new Vegas on base use I like that we had a cap on repair depending on our repair skill it made since that you can’t repair an item to max durability if you not spec into repair also obsidian messed up with repaired by making it broken with jury rig there is no point using vendor repair in new Vegas when jury rig just exist it’s a great perk but it is one of the most overpowered perks in the game another example I prefer bubble heads over snow globes if you kill house before turning in them you won’t get the reward but with bobble heads they help you and promote you to explore again obsidian and black isle are great devs but they messed up too they made tactic and brotherhood of steel so if you wanna be so critical of BSG then you need to be fair and understand that they can mess up too let’s not forget that fallout one and two are broken ending slide that can either be unobtainable or don’t work hardcore in new Vegas is not nearly as good in 4 they nailed hardcore in 4 removing fast travel and making it with save on sleep literally made me feel like I’m playing fallout one and two with the insane difficulty jump let’s not forget BSG gave us VATS and gave us sprinting in four as well as putting the power in power armor but also with vault thirteen and shady they moved in fallout two as well dude but yes they did mess up fallout 1 and 2 lore at times but to say this was made without love is disrespectful to the original team of fallout because a lot of love is shown from bats like combat to the random encounters to how every end credit is the classic zoom out shot also fallout one and two haven’t reallly aged well with the humor I’ve played both and wow can they be a little crass and also funny enough they don’t take themselves seriously 24/7 dude the show may not be perfect but it was made with care and is trying to be its own thing as well so going around acting like a child over people having a different opinion will never bring fallout to its glory days again
Hank is a visual representation of Bethesda as a whole and him nuking Shady Sands is symbolic of them obliterating Interplay's legacy
Exactly. They're pulling a Last Jedi on Fallout by killing their past. Bethesda does open world exploration well. They do not have skill at storytelling or worldbuilding, at least since the days of Ted Peterson, Julian Lefay, & Michael Kirkbride.
Interplay obliterated their own legacy by fumbling the IP and selling it to Bethesda in the first place.
@SwampTrooper2005 I mean, those same people were also starting up their own company and were going to buy Fallout back. But of course, Bethesda outbid them. No one ever likes to mention that part for some reason.
@@nagger8216because bethesda shills love to hate on the originals as much as possible
Lol they made the brotherhood a Caesar's Legion replacement.
Did they
No? Lol.
No they're trying to make them an analog to the Christian church. They blatantly made them religious zealots
@@nickelakon5369though I wonder if it’s just that chapter, in Fallout 4 there are terminal entries that talk about how some chapters have been going as far as worshiping Maxson and he’s been working hard to put that down. Since he wants to be seen as the best of what humanity enhanced by technology can be not a deity.
@@mactysonkarate they aren't worshipping maxson in the show and it heavily implies the leader of this chapter wants to take over the brotherhood
This time I was this quick, my wife left me
LMAO
Because people who filmed it or watched it are United in one. They never were familiar with what fallout is. That is because the Bethesda corrupted and inverted the entire sense of fallout universe. From a concept of a game that meant to portrait how society rebuilds itself after the nuclear war stepping into same stuff pre war world did (corruption, lust, wars, grief) and that’s all in retro futurism wrapping, Bethesda turned the franchise into a circus, filled with retro futurism jokes yet hollow inside. Original fallout just got stripped of the ideas such as BoS and Enclave and turned into Todd’s power fantasy about good guys fighting the evil ones. There’s no plot, no sense, no eternal core meaning. You don’t have factions that conquest lands and clash one another representing different ideas making players to decide which one suits their beliefs more, it’s just plain and bold “good guys vs bad guys”. It’s literally just people who played FO4 or FO3 completely skipping NV as if it was some spinoff, whilst it’s exactly the best representation of what fallout meant to be.
u sure ? coz u can say the story is about a psycopath who wants to see the world burn again u can do that in nv in all places
Nikka I played fallout 1 and 2 and stopped after tactics and I liked the show. Not the best f1 and 2 representation but still a good show
@@stedyedy23 Liar.
And here I thought I was going insane with so many people saying the series is a masterpiece while I watched the first 2 episodes and thought to myself "Wow, this is utter bullshit." and it didnt get better from there on.
Since when has Bethesda cared about the Fallout lore?
The Fallout show is a perfect representation of how Fallout gamers experience the world, with very little understanding of whats going on, mashing through speech options, and killing everything they see.
every comment I see talking about the show always says its enjoyable or its good, but doesnt go into depth on WHY its good to begin with. The show is fun to look at, but once you try to dissect it, it literally falls apart cause the main story is trash and fails as an entry in the franchise.
BuT 90% oF pEoPlE oN RoTeN ToMaTo liKeS iT!!!!!1!11!
It’s good dumb fun I think. And Goggins commands the screen. But if you start to look at it critically in any way as a fan of the series, all bets are off.
Fallout 3 find your Father
Fallout 4 find your son
Fallout 76 Find your Overseer ? not to sure on the story of that game (never played)
Fallout show Find your Father AGAIN!!!
Fallout 76: find the refund
@@Passageofsky Based
Fallout 4 find your son after leaving a vault with cryo chambers
Fallout tv find your father after leaving a vault with cryo chambers
@@godofecom you noticed another similarity nice
@@godofecom nice
That billionaire meeting scene mind boggled me. Like the lore in Fallout games are clear that the mega-corporations were planning for a post-post-apocalyptic world and nobody except Mr. House knew when will the first nuclear bombs will drop in America. So why did the show blame it on the billionaires?
I got the point of their message, but in the process they made a simple lore into a very goofy and unbelievable origin for the nuclear wasteland.
Brain dead plot, brain dead characters, brain dead writers making this utter tripe.
A couple thoughts on fallout political ideas:
Fallout mocked some of the 50s anti communist propaganda but never said communism was a good thing.
Corporations cannot be evil; people are evil. If evil people run a corporation, the corporation will be evil.
Fallout NV was so expertly written there were a few times were character interactions would have you wondering if maybe the legion were a net positive for the Mojave. The show has all the subtlety and nuance of a sledgehammer to the nads.
Dont forget that Sinclair's own contractors were undercutting the construction costs for the Villa as well. Dead Money was a good critique of big business and all the shady sh*t that was going on. The Writers for this show would screw that up given the chance.
Imagine if we had a show based on Dead Money..
Would actually be amazing, could picture it ending on *Spoiler lol* Sinclair dying by the vault and then we get Vera in the suite breaking down and overdosing on Med-X
Seriously the voice actress for Vera voiced those lines very well honestly.
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I simply must ask a source be cited for the claim we “know” the Chinese dropped the first nuke. From my understanding it was never answered definitively prior to the show who hit the button first, as the point was ultimately that the answer didn’t matter as the message of fallout is that we should’ve never gotten to the point where the threat of nukes was even an idea.
Fallout 2, when you meet the Enclave President, Dick Richardson close to the end of the game, he gives an account about how the Chinese launched the nukes rather than be conquered by American troops
@ I think an argument could be made for his account being unreliable. The enclave had spent a century to that point in deep seclusion, convinced that they would re-establish America, the greatest country to ever exist. It would make sense for them to believe the Chinese launched first as America being to blame for the end of the world would seriously fuck with their ideals.
Granted, as the Enclave is pretty the only organization who existed pre-war and who would have actual records however sparse of the time, they still have some credibility. Which is to say, personally I don’t buy it but they are the only ones left to answer the question.
@@Br0Dud3 At first, it would seem that way, but in the opening of Fallout 4 it states on the News that there is a massing of American Troops in Japan and Taiwan to fully Invade China. That actually goes with what Dick Richardson said about “We were about to win”. They were about to win. The USA literally amassed a full invasion force to March in and land on the shores of mainland China. This is Bethesda Lore from Fallout 4. but what happened in Fallout 4 is that the game started with you literally there, living in the last hours before everything got nuked, a literal firsthand experience of what was going on in 2077. Now you can pick and choose whether or not to include Bethesda Canon, but that would make a literal video of all the details shown in Fallout games that China fired first. I do feel that what the Enclave did give was a glorified narrative similar to what we would see about movies about the American Revolution in earlier days.
I noticed that the way the show writes villains, in particular, aligns with how Bethesda writes most of their villains.
I get the feeling whoever wrote the Fallout TV show is just as butthurt as Emil over the fact that Fallout New Vegas is so much better written than Fallout 3 and 4 and 76. Why else would they destroy all the classic Fallout lore in ways that only showed me they don't even know the lore that well?
Inconsistency is literally what Bethesda does. I could literally go on a video longer than this one talking about the inconsistencies between The installments of Bethesda’s Elder Scrolls series of open world games.
The level of shill at the time it released was mindblogging. Bugthesda bots worked really hard.
if they set the show in texas and replaced the brotherhood with ceasars legion a lot of the problems and lore issues with the show could have been easily fixed
Which leads me back to wondering how far East The Legion extended. We know the Legion was present heavily in Colorado and Arizona, but how far East did they extend? It’s why a Fallout game in Texas would potentially be interesting. You could go into the Eastern limits of The Legion and also add some other factions as well.
Always funny when a corporate product parrots the "corporations bad" line. They still claim copyright over it.
My head cannon with Mr House is that he went to the meeting and just acted like he was going along with the end the world plan and the meeting just gave him more confirmation that war was coming however head cannon dosent matter when logic and reason are things obscure and strange to the pen of the writer
Honestly my thoughts, the FNV Mr. House wouldn't act like that, unless he was just that acting.
@@andrewortelli7631 Exactly
I liked better when he merely calculated that nuclear war was going to occur, but was unsure who would be the one to start it.
@@moongoalie2410 Agreed
The fact that this show retroactively ruins nearly all characterization the player character gives to the NCR in New Vegas by arbitrarily deciding that the NCR just dies anyways is so stupid, and it's representation of the BoS is borderline psychotic. Insane show. Great video.
The fucked up thing is that the way the NCR goes out isn't even something related to the problems we see in NV or the choices we can make in that game. Some guy got mad that his wife left him, so he Nuked the NCR's equivalent of D.C. and it all fell apart within a few years? The NCR still had like dozens if not hundreds of other cities and towns under it's belt by the time of NV. That's not to say that losing Shady Sands wouldn't have been a huge blow, but it wouldn't have destroyed the entirety of the NCR to the point where everything collapsed back to Fallout 1's conditions. Even if it *did*, what about The Shi, who are right near the NCR and would have a personal interest in either helping to keep things stable, outright conquering a lot of the NCR's utilities, or at the very least stomping out the new raider groups to keep their own city state safe? If the USA got nuked tomorrow and Washington D.C. was turned to ash, there would definitely be a period of anarchy, but at the very least the surviving states would either work to keep things stable or balkanize and form new nations to protect their own interests, not just fall apart. There's also no chance that the BOS in hiding stamped out everything to do with the NCR as a civilization in the weeks following the nuke either, because they had nowhere near the amount of people necessary for that kind of attack, nor would the West Coast BOS start killing off random farmers and civilians for the sake of it lol.
@@uberd3323Actually, it's more like if the US collapsed because Philadelphia was nuked.
I think the will canonize the ending of Vegas in the only way possible: everyone lost regardless of who you picked. War never changes or something like that. There being NO winner in Vegas to some would feel like a slap in the face, but idk
@@LouisMilich It would as it's a complete misunderstanding of the phrase ‘War never changes’.
As Ulysses said ‘War never changes…but people do.’
I'm, I dunno, I'm pretty sure the NCR still exists, in the show it's said shady sands was the FIRST capitol of the NCR so there was probably more and the fact that they never said that the NCR collapsed, I'm pretty sure they were just just that they decided not to cover it
the show isn't canon either because it makes no sense
War never changes, but men change through the roads they walk.
i have yet to see proof of this.
IMO, Fallout never needed a show. It's a game about instinct and survival and adapting it into a show ruins the entire fun of the series
Well it brought up the number of players on Fallout 4 and FO76
I disagree on the basis that Fallout 1 and 2, maybe 3 and NV down the line, would've made for an amazing anthology show if they were animated and handled by the right people. Someone like Genndy Tartakovski could've made Fallout into the West's answer to the Jojo problem, and if you don't believe me, just look at oldschool Samurai Jack or the Clone Wars 2003 animated specials.
@@uberd3323 The only problem is that there would be more people bugging Fallout fans about the show like "Have you seen the show" over a million times
@@Jimbler69 So? If it’s a good show, we’d at least be ahead on that front.
@@uberd3323 Sorry. I get annoyed as a Fallout fan when people mention the show when they know I don't have prime. Making a videogame into a TV show loses the original purpose of a videogame. Games like Fallout is supposed to be fun and something to interact with where you can escape reality and imagine yourself as a badass apocaliptic hero or villain doing what you need to in order to survive. If you have make it into a show, then it loses that spark.
the crazy part is that thr Fallout games have more professional actors than the tv show
The acting isn’t bad tho also the games have bigger budgets
@@erek3034 the acting is terrible. Walton goggins is probably the only actor who really gives a good performance here, even if his character is shit.
@@nickelakon5369 Only maximus is weak.
The writing still reeks of Bethesda because there's a line of "the vaults were for the super rich to stay while the poor died" which is like how liberals today complain about founding fathers owning slaves.
More Bethesda & Hollywood leftist bias; because the people on Filly would be too poor and destitute to care about what happened 200 years ago.
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@@In_The_Base two. Goggins and MacLachlan
Its even funnier to me that in the final episode they say to us that Moldaver and Lucy's mom were lesbians together because it just makes you think: "why did she have one of her goons have sex with lucy and then try to kill her if she is the daughter of her lover?"
They never stated they were in a relationship.
@@tomlink5784 i dunno man, it looked that way to me what with how they held habds at the end and how they were always looking at each other. But maybe thats just me and the brainworms in my head. Who knows, we'll have to see next season to find out.
@@tomlink5784lol like that’s going to stop progressives in entertainment from hinting or humoring that rumor. The boys did it, what makes you think this show won’t?
@@iamfine2624modern entertainment love to include this type of garbage to us. They’ll not doubt make it canon to the story, but it will obviously serve no purpose but to placate the normies who wanted it lol.
@@moongoalie2410least terminally online armchair generalization about media /s
I've been talking shit about fallout show since i watched it. i feel like All the big Fallout creators had to talk about how much they loved the show because they knew if they didn't they would be blasted by people watching their content. I wonder if the fallout content creators will decide the show is bad in a couple months when the hype is really dead
All modern news media is based on access. You talk shit, say bye-bye to your press pass I.e. No more interviews with Toddy boy for MrMattyPlays
@@istrumguitars i know. They HAVE to schill. The FO show was garbage and missed the point. It was lazily written and was just bad. Integrity is dead.
If Fallout show is the "pinnacle of movie adaptations" Then... movie adaptations have seriously hit the rock bottom if THATS what is considered a "pinnacle" these days. I mean, Fallout is okay i suppose. Clearly lore breaks are all over the place, but it's enjoyable enough if you shutdown your brain i suppose, but that doesn't make it a "pinnacle" it makes it tolerable at best. And if tolerable at best is considered "pinnacle" then dear god we're fucked.
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I LOVE FALLOUT I LOVE OLD HIPPIE MUSIC AND POWER ARMOR
The fallout show is clear evidence that once was a trilogy of well written and thought provoking games has been turned to slop for the masses like everything else so much so that people now claim that no one played fallout one and two and that Bethesda made the series popular
Trilogy? Do you not like new Vegas or 4?
@@joevines3428 I kinda consider 1, 2 and New Vegas the trilogy of the series since they follow the same West Coast storyline. (And also because the other games are kinda shit story-wise.)
Yeah people make boomer comments for appreciating the older games of the franchises. If the graphics aren’t there they simply can’t do it
By trilogy you mean 1, 2 and NV I assume
Tbf without fallout 3 I wouldn't have known about the first two since I wasn't born yet but the first two are definitely the better fallouts
Glad to see another fan who can see the obvious. This show gets so much praise from not just tourists but serious fans who have been around since Fo3, that I was starting to feel like a survivor in a body snatcher invasion, started by Bethesda.
It’s so sad that Bethesda is hellbent on simplifying and dumbing down fallout until even moders won’t be able to save it. I swear if Bethesda manages to stay around to make a few more fallouts, fallout will basically be farcry: new dawn.
FINALLY SOMETHING ABOUT THE FALLOUT TV SHOW THAT ISINT BLIND ADMIRATION!!!!!!!
video deserves more praise
Man and I thought mauler was the only one who hated the show. Good video btw
There’s also reaper, creetosis, enclave emily
@@mysampleidit’s a gundam also
There’s many, but they’re overshadowed by larger normie channels who always fence sit on anything nuance. If said thing is popular, they’re going to bandwagon and say it’s ‘good’.
Knew it was gonna be bad when the Jonathan Nolan kept talking about it being a story of “the haves and have nots” and then made that the main tagline of the show. No, that’s not what Fallout is about at all. It also has nothing to do with the plot of the show lmao…
But guys, there's power armor in it. So it's faithful to the lore and we shouldn't complain, right?
I had not heard a singal person talk about this TV show now. Only when there crisising the show it just like star felled
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live under a rock or something?
Had a stroke reading this.
Did you miss Mauler tearing it apart scene by scene? Or the dozens of others doing similar? The show is an atrocity, a crime against humanity. In the future, this show will be used in the tribunals that will sentence the managerial class to their well deserved fates.
“Fallout Tourists” I love that 😂
Few people had reasonable reactions to the show, it's a great show for people who had zero interest in the previous games or lore. But the minute you take the time to look into the shallow decision making for its plot points and characters, you stop liking it. If your a fan, you lost interest when vault-tec became the new boogeyman.
@@mr.mclemon8605 right it feels like an adaptation of fallout 76 and 4
Nah, Mauler’s analysis barely took the games into account and he showed how the show failed even as a stand alone product.
@mr.mclemon8605 in your own comment you said that the show has shallow plot points and characters. its a bad show. it doesnt matter if youre a fan of the games or not. it just happens to be that if you like the games it also shits all over them too
it really isn't though, it's more accurate to the lore then Fo3-Fo4 and Fo76. Like the only Bethesda Fo to beat it is NV. You lot are fucking diluted 😂. The show is terribly written but Bethesda is still worse. Bethesda pay piggies on their way to ignore the absolute horrendous decisions and writing in almost every game they make to call something else bad.
@Radscorp this IS bethesda. youre acting like this is somehow any different from their games. also, this show retcons literally every single west coast game, at the very least the bethesda games have been thousands of miles away. this show is shit, and its EXACTLY the same as the bethesda games. and to say that NV is a "betheda fallout" when the only attachment bethesda had to it was the engine and the publishing of the game is retarded. you saying this show is more accurate than the games is part of the problem. youre giving bethesda more reasons to continue to fuck up the old games
Anyone that claims this Show is peak adaptation or whatnot shows their level of understanding on that matter. Though than again, as someone else in the comment Section pointed out this show has perfectly adapted *Bethesdas* Version of Fallout.
So take your pick I guess.
Maximus is Emil Pagliarulo
I can't agree on one thing - Lucy. Giving her a 5-6 is too much. At the end I couldn't guess whether she will kill or release her father, not because of some well developed suspension but because through the whole season she was jumping from acting solid to irrational. Character development means progress and some constant change, she don't have a progress, just act randomly.
I agree. It's decently entertaining and some things it adds aren't... too bad?
But like, there's just... no nuance to it.
The Brotherhood can't ACTUALLY be grey. You have to KNOW they're bad guys, not because of their flawed ideology which can fall apart under genuine thinking and scrutiny... but bc they beat the crap out of each other and haze each other ig! Which never happened in any of the games. And kills Squires for "not saving their Knight" even though in literally every game they're considered the most valuable members, which makes sense considering they should grow to be the best soldiers after being raised to serve the Brotherhood their entire lives.
The NCR doesn't shrink bc of its weak borders, being spread out, corruption, nah. But bc Vault Tec (which SHOULDN'T BE AROUND ANYMORE) nuked them!
Very few people in the show actually... talk like real people too. But that's just a lot of New Fallout writing. Fallout 2 is remembered for its very natural, yet still entertaining and actually thought provoking dialogue at times. Like, Myron is extra and clearly meant to evoke a certain feeling. But he still feels like someone you could actually meet in real life. None of the main characters feel very dimensional, they're all like, 3 character traits each that MAYBE slightly change by the end. Usually just from "oh I thought i wanted X but really it was Y" and "Oh before i was scared and weak but now I'm slightly stronger and not afraid"
I’d be ok with vault tec being in hiding still but the way Bethesda did it was just boring and predictable
@@istrumguitars No, it's dumb because anyone that's played Fallout 2 knows Vault-Tec is just a part of the Enclave. And we already dealt with them in Fallout 2 and 3. All this shit about Vault-Tec taking over already happened, decades ago in a much better story than this. Hell, even New California, the mod, is a better continuation of that storyline than this.
Nuka breaker is the real fallout tv show
What I would've changed:
Make it simply a story about Lucy trying to save her dad, and free her Vault from a raider gang. Don't try to expand into the histories or or mess lore beyond what is required to tell the story (basic stuff like who are the raider, why are they interested in the Vault)
Keep the NCR alive. Things are far more interesting by using elements of the NCR while it is alive and not random boring cults and generic raiders. (Use the Rangers as fun characters that help Lucy out, show Lucy that civilisation has survived and the way it works and sucks (example: just the entirety of New Reno).
Recharacterise the BoS as a small remnant from the NCR-BoS war working to take revenge against them. Don't make the Maximus a moronic idiot. Use him to show the BoS philosophy to Lucy and try to poison her against the NCR (e.g. When they get to New Reno he points out how the NCR fails to govern those who make them rich, those who use technology (gambling, drugs, advanced weapons) to effectively enslave a population dry).
No pre-war flashbacks, keep it in the present. If you need to have something for the Ghoul, use his movies, or photos of his (now gone) wife and daughter or at best faded memories.
Honestly I fell for this slop and now I'm ashamed of myself for recommending it to people that are new fallout fans.
i literally thought exactly this when watching the show and i’m glad i’m not the only one
can't wait to witness bethesda to slaughter New Vegas in season 2.
The people I know who liked the show only played fallout 76 or 4, never NV and never 1, 2 or 3
Probably cause the show is more similar to 76 and 4
I guess there a lot of earning potential with the end of the Fallout franchise.
Todd thinks Ghouls are zombies now
Maybe I’m not remembering right, but I remember that in the fallout lore, no one knew who dropped the bombs, so wouldn’t it be far fetched to say that China dropped the bombs first? I haven’t seen anything about China dropping the bombs first, everything I’ve seen or heard over the past few years was that no one knew who struck first, all we know is the world was ended by it.
But if it is cannon that China dropped the nukes (which would make sense considering the Americans had a land invasion in both mainland China and Mongolia) then it makes no sense why the writers decided to switch it up and say vault tec dropped the bombs
But also vault tec is heavily interlinked with the enclave, and the enclave wants a clean reset, and total control, so I could definitely see the enclave influencing vault tec to drop the bombs especially seeing how prepared the enclave was to wait out the bombs and nuclear fire
While it was never outright confirmed in-game who launched first, it was heavily implied (to the degree that it may as well have been outright stated) in several of the games (Fallout 2, 3, and 4) that China did launch their nukes first, and that the US retaliated. Vault-Tec supposedly having ties to the Enclave doesn't explain much either, given that the Enclave president in Fallout 2 tells the player that they were finishing relocating their resources/staff to the oil rig when the bombs dropped, implying that China's launching of the nukes even took them by surprise, or at the very least wasn't an expected move at the time.
President Dick Richardson in Fallout 2 laid it out. The United States were landing their invasion of mainland China, China decided to nuke America rather than be conquered. Yes that’s spoilers for the ending of Fallout 2, but that’s where the narrative comes from. Fallout 4 on TV news before the nukes, if you watch it as the main character, you hear about the invasion of mainland China being set up on the islands, then you hear “OMG they really did it!” (meaning China launched nuclear missiles). China in the Fallout universe felt that they had nothing left. And given how The United States had nuclear fusion energy taking off, which if they didn’t get nuked, could have been a survival from running out of oil with some bumps in the road along the way, and didn’t have much motive to launch nukes first.
show is broad normie appeal, no surprise its success
saw two eps and that was the limit cause it was so apparent the problems
Hey wait. The scribe shot the gulper in the head, but completely misses all of his shots later on. Wow.
I agree that you made many good points throughout your video, but I would like to provide a counter argument to your first point. I feel that having the executives decide to nuke the world could be looked at as another version of war never changes. Most wars are started by people who think that they could make a perfect utopia if only they could control the world and teach people how to become better. The executives and vault-tec thought that if they were able to wipe the world and rebuild it themselves by teaching people how to be better, that the world would be perfect. This is obviously not the case but I can understand why they would think that their plan would work because people have believed that bad plans would work before and they will continue to do so because many people think they’re brilliant when they really aren’t all that smart. Great video, keep up the good work.
Bro I though I was going insane seeing all the other reviews. Thank you
The hysteria from people who can't handle that someone might not like the current thing they like is disgusting. You only live once, don't lie to yourself if you smell bullcrap when you're told it's a flower
>pinnacle of game adaption movie
Naaah that was Mortal Kombat from 1995. Nothing tops that movie.
Only reason its well rated is its shiny and not known enough to get the rings of power level push back so normies and tourists give it a good rating
I mean, I’ve played most of the games and thought it was great 🤷♂️
Normies 💀
@@MrHalohunter24 the story and writing was awful and only people easily distracted by shiny things or have low standards still liked it.
@@insertjokeh3r3 Think whatever you want, it’s clearly moving toward a better story. Like 90% of all Fallout quest lines are terribly writing but get better as the story progresses. That’s what happening here.
@@insertjokeh3r3that’s most popular franchises nowadays
This show disappointed the hell out of me. I immediately noticed that the dates didn't line up. Then I saw Todd Howard saying, "muh unreliable narrator, always been in Fallout".
Fucking no, Todd. Fallout isn't the Elder Scrolls. For the most part, the known facts line up no matter which in game lore terminal you look at. It's only the clandestine actions that weren't well recorded that are disputed, and that's not an "unreliable narrator", it's a game of telephone, and if Todd paid any attention to the franchise he was falsely claimed in a ton of internet articles at the time to "have created Fallout", he'd know that's a bullshit answer.
Fallout Amazon was created for woke virtue signaling. A trans Brotherhood of Steel recruit is the immediate first clue. Veronica had to break up with her girlfriend because the BoS is not fond of lezzing out in their ranks, but they're recruiting the trans people?
Sure, bud.
Also New Vegas is completely decimated just few years after the Courier resolved it's issues? Not buying it. And Shady Sands was nuked, and the NCR simply fizzled away?
No. No. Fuck this show, I'm tossing it in the 76 dumpster.
1. it is never stated the character they're playing is trans so people can shut up about that.
2. they haven't denied or confirmed the NCR is still around or not.
3. we still don't know what happened to new Vegas from one shot.
4. how do you know Ulysses could have been a unreliable narrator about your past, vault-tec are unreliable narrators they lied about the vaults fallout has had a few unreliable narrators or some that could be unreliable narrators.
5. but if you don't agree with any of this the quote "the people who hate fallout the most is fallout fans" is true
Bethesda fans love quoting Todd and his family lore even when he contradicts it himself
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2. Aragorn's pants. It is obviously destroyed, or at least crippled enough to not be a singular entity.
3. Aragorn's pants. They showed the heavily damaged city with destroyed securitrons on the streets, what do you think happened?
4. Retroactively cover the lore fuckups with "muh unreliable narrators" is retarded.
5. Bethesda Fallout is not Fallout, so hating on it is perfectly reasonable for a Fallout fan.
I will never forgive this garbage show for ruining the NCR
NCR is a garbage faction
How did it ruin the ncr
How so?
Did either of you watch the video? Or are yall asking to start an argument?
They deserved it tho. A cool armor doesn't save them from being imperialist manifest destiny assholes.
The enclave still has holdings in other locations like the Midwest I believe
Haven’t touched it, watched several clips on RUclips, immediately hated it. What an insult to the writers who actually wrote and explored a topic that had more nuance than whatever the hell this recreation is trying to push…
It’s unfortunate, because the ghoul is actually an interesting character.
It's actually well made and acted.
@@joevines3428 there is good acting in some places, but claiming it’s all “well made” and all of it is “well acted”…come on now…
@@joevines3428 I swear every single defense of this show is just "No. Show good."
@@gathenhielm9977And every comment complaining about it is “show bad”
@@MrHalohunter24 He says under a video that thoroughly explains the issues with the show for over an hour.
I look at the show the same way that I look at Bethesda's Fallout games. Zero narrative consistency, ignoring or retconning the lore they don't like/didn't write, choices that have no consequences and a desire to keep people in fallout in a state of scrap hobos living in literal piles of garbage. I've put The Fallout show into its own continuity just to enjoy the fallout games because this show made me not want to anymore.
Agreed, I now hate fallout because of this show and it’s consequences including hordes of tourists and normies
@@mysampleid i dont get people getting angry cuz "oh no, my niche thing is gettin popular" why the hell you like to gatekeep this franchise? Cant they play fallout cuz they arent ogs? but ok, i get what you mean abt the show.
@@emixter1877 because gatekeeping is the only solution for the series not to become garbage, unfortunately Fallout became garbage after the release of 4 and 76. And the tv show made the situation even worse.
@@mysampleid
Too bad, lol. As a fan of both the old and modern games/media, I see the good things in both. I am convinced everyone on this video's comment section who hate the show are gate keeping elitists like you or NCR simps who don't seem to understand that the NCR was already dying on the inside. I honestly expected this video to have haters be in a circlejerk in the comments, and whaddya know, I was right. The show has flaws but I've seen worse, oh I've seen worse from other adaptations.
@@emixter1877who the hell are you to tell us what we can’t gatekeep? You don’t just get to enter a space made popular (more specifically monetarily viable) for normies and grifters to latch on to…Look at what people like you did to Star Wars, killed it, like you killed every franchise that you fake nerds pretend to like!
You hit on every exact grievance I had with this damned disgrace of a show, thank you
It kills me this series does the same things as halo, (but halo claims to be its own universe) and gets nothing but praise
Hell yeah, another long video essay from an incredibly niche RUclipsr i like!!
Think about this. There's a 50% chance that they will nuke New Vegas in the next season, and by that, totally make any plotpoint made in that game irrelevant to the whole franchise. Todd does love to explode, what people before him came up with. He did it to Morrowind, he did it to Shady Sands. The teaser at the end, with Hank arriving there in the last scene of the show, made me think of no other possible future for Sin city.
Overall I found alot of entertainment in the weird side characters. Yes, Bethesda is ruining the lore in every way that soothes them. But they have been doing that for 18 years, so I came to terms with that long ago. Now, I'm into Fallout for the small glimmers of that Spark, that the setting allows for, no matter who is writing it. The Fallout you want, died with Interplay and Black Isle Studio. May it rest in pieces, that Todd keeps Nuking...
Interesting point you bringing up what they did to vvardenfell in the elder scrolls lore after Morrowind. Basically what amounts to nuking the place.
This really changed my perspective on the show. I dont know if they can change the course of this show, but I really hope they do, no matter how unlikely it is
The Zeta aliens dropping nukes make more sense
1:07 I don't like it. I'm tired of idiots saying I'm wrong for not liking it.
Fans who don’t like the show: pEopLe whO wAtch ARen’T trUe faNS.
Fans who like the show: PeoPle wHO diSLike ThE shOw AreN’T ReAL FAns.
It’s all the same cycle of whining and bitching over and over again
Welcome to the fallout fanbase, the best course of action is not to interact
This is true thank you@@aaronlaughter6471
The fans are always the worst part of something
Real, like I know the show isn't perfect but damn these guys are acting as if it was an adaptation to the holy bible
@@josecriollo6976 if you care about fallout it kinda is , like this show retcon decades Worth of lore + what did you expect when they destroyed 1 of the 3 largest and most recognizable factions, don't you know, but NCR is so popular that I saw people who were surprised that the real flag of California has a bear with 1 head (not kidding)
Brotherhood of Steel transformed into some crazy mix of WH 40K space marines, with a sith lord as their elder.
I feel you bro.
Thank you for showing passion for this series. I'm glad you did this so I don't have to. Is it really too much to ask that character motivations be thought about for longer than twenty seconds?
You have a little misunderstanding about House, he didn't want to save as many people that he could, he wanted to save Vegas, the city, not the people living in it, and his plan for the "future" is a total anarcho-capitalist dystopia, where the wanted to slaughter the Kings and any other factions that were against his own interest, like NCR, who he in his own words have a pesky alliance, and let not forget what he planned to do aftermath, like paying for any drop of water coming from Hoover Dam to the impoverish citizens of Free-side and the Farmers, the NCR may be corrupt, but House is a total Corpo with delusions of grandeur.