People who are have a passion for motorcycling and does go for long hauls on their motorcycle or do tracks or do off-roading need to have this knowledge on need-to-know basis. This knowledge sharing and understanding is not for all. Its not for the average joes or jayakrishnas (as it seems here)
@@jayakrishna2305 What Shumi explained was something abt Spring Action n Fluid Mechanics... Well that brings me to a question... Are you an Arts/Commerce Student?
Hey PD, could you please make an episode on different types of motorcycle chassis - trellis and perimeter frames, single and double downtube, etc. It would be interesting to understand their pros and cons. Thanks.
@@Thegeekishnerd13 Yeah I know but most Shop Manual videos feel a bit more technically inclined than both Simplified and MC Garage. Just a feeling. Cheers.
Swingarms directly are related to handling. They are vertical pivot one end of which has the rear wheel of bike connected with it and the other end is connected to Frame of bike. Swingarms can be one sided and 2 sided. Weight of swingarm, it's construction etc affects the handling in either way be it good or bad. An aluminum swingarm is better than box section swingarm cuz it's a cast or forged part which is lighter than the box section swingarm and will imply lighter and easy controls and thus better maneuverability and improving handling, moreover a forged aluminum swingarm will have more structural integrity than the cast swingarm cuz of the arrangement of the aluminum particles in it and will be lighter too. A carbon fiber swingarm will be even better than aluminum cuz it's lighter than aluminum and more stronger than aluminium . That's the reason why forged alloy wheels of cars are better than die cast wheels (only on the asphalt). The arrangement of particles while forging gives them more structural integrity than the cast where the metal is just melted poured in a die and then made. Hope you got your answer pal.
You missed very important part: upside down forks installations have much less unsprung weight. This is crucial for better handling, turning and response for road imperfections. Both steering and comfort will benefit from USD.
I have a little dilemma up here... "MC garage" on the other hand, does have a completely different opinion, stating that aesthetics is the major difference. I'm confused.
I had a question. Why did bike manufacturers switch to monoshock suspensions for the rear passenger when a telescopic suspension seems like it would be more comfortable? Also, am I wrong in thinking it would be more comfortable? Seems 2 is better than one.
That's a very faulty assumption, telescopic forks have two legs therefore requiring two sets of wiper which will give twice the stiction, many times more if they are gummed up by dirt. The reason why the motorcycle industry hasn't switched to linkage forks (either one or two-legged) is because of economy of scale and consumer perception, most bikers care so much about looks they want the manufactures to sacrifice improvement in function to keep the aesthetics; you don't see telescoping shocks for the front wheels of cars, unfortunately MTBs followed in motorcycles footsteps because telescopic forks came first on motorcycles. A well designed linkage is always better than two giant sliding tubes, it can offer less brake dive, less unsprung weight, more small bump sensitivity, be virtually maintenance free and make use of the plethora of different rear shocks already on the market.
Very clearly explained! I hope this clears up the heads of those R15 and MT15 owners who keep complaining that their bikes are inferior to ones sold overseas.
There is another reason for USD forks on performance motorcycles. The part that moves about is the stanchion which weighs less than the female part (containing oil, springs and the weight of the fork itself). There fore, the weight of the moving component is lesser giving a better performance improvement.
a little misunderstanding that seems like all the people in the world did is, and upside down front fork is actually a telescopic fork too, but inverted. so saying "telescopic vs upside down" or "telescopic and upside down fork" differences is actually wrong.
Being an engineer myself, it was just a breeze watching through and understanding every bit of what you just explained, much like reading through a well written book. Good Job
I completely agree with the cooling method comments and the suspension comments. The particular means of cooling or suspension is given on a bike for optimum performance. Everything should not be about just asthetics, looks or spec bragging rights.
Can you make a video about best oil to run your motorcycle on , the best tyres to run a motorcycle on and DIY service pack to help riders maintain their motor cycles (pretty please)
Thank you so much sir, people are so much focused on having USD forks, disregarding their requirements and jump to costlier motorcycles on basis of that. It cleared up that we don't necessarily need USD forks on a minor 200cc motorcycles.
What a teacher... Absolutely awesome! Can you please do a video on how exactly does a cornering ABS work and how different it is from a conventional ABS?
Also, with upside down forks the bigger and heavier part is “steady” while the smaller and lighter part is traveling up and down with the wheel... therefore, it’s less mass to get it’s movement absorbed by the springs and dampeners (and ultimately by the chassi)
Shumi I have recently started watching your videos and I am hooked !! You are probably the most sensible and knowledgeable motorcycle reviewer I have seen ! Like your philosophy and way of thinking and also your ever so sensible advice. If more bikers took your advice roads would be much safer. Respect !
Telescopic forks are better for Indian roads and hence we don't see a litre class bikes often in India we don't need USD forks but now companies started using USD forks as a gimmick
Hi Shumi, This playlist is amazing and the way you explain it, well I wish you were my school teacher for every class. From the topic of USD and telescopic suspension systems, I would request you to also shed some light on rear suspensions: Mono and the dual set up. Second topic I can think of would be lights: halogen, LED and projectors. Also since LEDs generally blind the oncoming traffic even when their throw isn't that great from a rider's perspective. Generally LEDs are very powerful. Please also explain use of auxiliary lights. 3rd and the most important : With riding schools out of reach and knowledge of most people, how can we improve our skills.
Wish you also talked about unsprung mass and the benefits in handling that comes when you reduce it. USD helps in that as wel.. also it's normally a challenge to keep the CoG low when you use a USD at the front.
Hey PowerDrift, could you guys please make a video on different types of engine: v-twin, inline 3, inline 4, etc and their impact on the performance. Also, a video on CC, BHP, Torque would be really helpful. TIA!
Great video PD and Shumi your screen presence is amazing. My two cents- apart from the structural function, upside down forks also result in a lower unsprung mass thereby creating a positive impact on handling and steering among other things.
They use leaf springs not the spring and damper setup (called McPherson strut). Suspensions also have various types. It is not a one size fits all thing.
E rickshaws don't bounce back and forth. They just transmit whatever they feel to you. Every undulation. This is the hallmark of leaf springs. They are made for rigidity and stability. Hence used in commercial vehicles and trucks. Their use in e rickshaws isn't correct but is done to keep costs low. Most of e rickshaw manufacturers aren't really very engineering savvy, not very organized either. They need not be. They are sold purely on cost, not engineering prowess.
An addition to Schumi's summary is the unsprung weight advantage that USD forks offer (lighter stanchion adding to sprung mass)which is a significant factor in performance motorcycle handling & braking. On a street bike or lighter machine, the weight difference is marginal & a USD is almost an expensive cosmetic upgrade.
I feel you missed explaining spring preload, suspension travel, using stiffer springs, using heavier fork oils, changing RSU forks for USD forks or vice versa etc. Could you do a part 2 video on these. Much appreciated and great explanatory video. Greetings from Sri Lanka!
way you elaborating is really very effective for the viewer , which don't have much technical knowledge .and my question is difference between spokes wheel and alloys ? like even bigger bikes use spokes like africa twin many more!
Thanks Shumi for the knowledge you give through Simplified. I would like see a video on difference between oil cooled engine & air cooled engine. Hope to see this soon..
Basic suspension tuning with respect to adjusting sag, preload, compression and damping for one’s own weight. I know dave moss is the OG is this field, but it would be nice to get a basic guide from Shumi. Cheers
Question: What happens if you forget to lubricate your chain or dont apply adequate lubricant on it. How to know how much to apply. The service personnel informed me that the chain and sprocket needs to be replaced even though i have been lubricating regularly at 500 km intervals. The bike is Duke 250 and has 5_500 kms in 6 months. Most documentation mentions needing this at 15_000 Kms. There is a audible sound when the clutch is pressed and no throttle in an isolated location and the bike is rolling above 15 kmph.
1. How does a size of a disc break affect breaking performance? 2. How can we prevent clutch lever wobble? 3. Are premium fuels worth it (than the regular fuel)?
Hey #PDArmy, we hope this clarified your doubts! Hit that Like button if it did! And let us know below what more you'd like us to cover!
Next video on bike gears why do we need to change gears (upshifts and downshifts) what is the ideal speed to keep a particular gear or change a gear
Can we have a video on break and clutch adjustable livers how does it work and what difference it makes with normal non adjustable once...
Hub Center steering ( motorcycle) Vyrus , pls do a episode on this topic, pls......
Can u make the next video on engine cooling systems (like air-cooled, liquid cooled, etc.)
Neatly explained, great video
Every School needs a Teacher like Shumi... ❤️
@@jayakrishna2305 stupidity level of this comment 9999999
Well I am ok if this comment seems to be stupid
@@jayakrishna2305 What’s wrong with becoming a mechanic?
People who are have a passion for motorcycling and does go for long hauls on their motorcycle or do tracks or do off-roading need to have this knowledge on need-to-know basis. This knowledge sharing and understanding is not for all.
Its not for the average joes or jayakrishnas (as it seems here)
@@jayakrishna2305 What Shumi explained was something abt Spring Action n Fluid Mechanics... Well that brings me to a question... Are you an Arts/Commerce Student?
Hey PD, could you please make an episode on different types of motorcycle chassis - trellis and perimeter frames, single and double downtube, etc. It would be interesting to understand their pros and cons. Thanks.
Good idea
+1
Good Topic!
Yes
Definitely interested
These segments remind me of Ari Hennig's MC Garage videos that he used to do a couple of years ago.
he still does that with revzilla. called as "the shop manual"
He still does those series... Very informative 🙏
@@Thegeekishnerd13 Yeah I know but most Shop Manual videos feel a bit more technically inclined than both Simplified and MC Garage. Just a feeling. Cheers.
Yes this is our indian version of that and I always like to hear from Shumi.
Need an explanation about the differences between a box section Swingarm and an aluminium swingarm. And why swingarms are related to handling.
Yes
+1
Good Topic!
Swingarms directly are related to handling. They are vertical pivot one end of which has the rear wheel of bike connected with it and the other end is connected to Frame of bike. Swingarms can be one sided and 2 sided. Weight of swingarm, it's construction etc affects the handling in either way be it good or bad. An aluminum swingarm is better than box section swingarm cuz it's a cast or forged part which is lighter than the box section swingarm and will imply lighter and easy controls and thus better maneuverability and improving handling, moreover a forged aluminum swingarm will have more structural integrity than the cast swingarm cuz of the arrangement of the aluminum particles in it and will be lighter too. A carbon fiber swingarm will be even better than aluminum cuz it's lighter than aluminum and more stronger than aluminium . That's the reason why forged alloy wheels of cars are better than die cast wheels (only on the asphalt). The arrangement of particles while forging gives them more structural integrity than the cast where the metal is just melted poured in a die and then made. Hope you got your answer pal.
@@manthenvashishth3769 thanks I got it 🙌
When is the next part of Holy shift coming???? Absolutely loved the last one.
Yes please
As expected shumar is that friend who teach you 10 mins and pass you the exams. thanks
suggestions for topics 😂:
1.2 ,3,4 valve engine
2.rider triangle
3.sprockets
Shumi please provide us the regular bike reviews more often. We just adore the way you explain everything to noobs like me❤️
This series is really informative. Just a suggestion discussion on drum brakes and disc brakes. It also can feature advantages of ABS
You missed very important part: upside down forks installations have much less unsprung weight. This is crucial for better handling, turning and response for road imperfections. Both steering and comfort will benefit from USD.
I have a little dilemma up here... "MC garage" on the other hand, does have a completely different opinion, stating that aesthetics is the major difference. I'm confused.
Explained really well …. All these years of doubts based on this topic just got erased after seeing this video..
thanks a lot..
I had a question. Why did bike manufacturers switch to monoshock suspensions for the rear passenger when a telescopic suspension seems like it would be more comfortable? Also, am I wrong in thinking it would be more comfortable? Seems 2 is better than one.
That's a very faulty assumption, telescopic forks have two legs therefore requiring two sets of wiper which will give twice the stiction, many times more if they are gummed up by dirt. The reason why the motorcycle industry hasn't switched to linkage forks (either one or two-legged) is because of economy of scale and consumer perception, most bikers care so much about looks they want the manufactures to sacrifice improvement in function to keep the aesthetics; you don't see telescoping shocks for the front wheels of cars, unfortunately MTBs followed in motorcycles footsteps because telescopic forks came first on motorcycles. A well designed linkage is always better than two giant sliding tubes, it can offer less brake dive, less unsprung weight, more small bump sensitivity, be virtually maintenance free and make use of the plethora of different rear shocks already on the market.
Very clearly explained! I hope this clears up the heads of those R15 and MT15 owners who keep complaining that their bikes are inferior to ones sold overseas.
Great video Shumi sir!!! Please talk about different types of *swingarms* in next video
There is another reason for USD forks on performance motorcycles. The part that moves about is the stanchion which weighs less than the female part (containing oil, springs and the weight of the fork itself). There fore, the weight of the moving component is lesser giving a better performance improvement.
More importantly the lighter part is farther from the CoG as well as mounting points. So performance is better
Suggestion -
normal clutch systems & hydraulic clutch systems
Single & multiple cylinder engines
a little misunderstanding that seems like all the people in the world did is, and upside down front fork is actually a telescopic fork too, but inverted. so saying "telescopic vs upside down" or "telescopic and upside down fork" differences is actually wrong.
Being an engineer myself, it was just a breeze watching through and understanding every bit of what you just explained, much like reading through a well written book. Good Job
As a motorcycle enthusiast what I like is how you explain at engineering level in very simple form. Thank you brother.
Explained very clearly, precisely and kept it simple with basic explanation👌🏼
I have listened to all your podcasts till now Schumi. Thanks for clearing my doubts. Keep rocking bro.
I completely agree with the cooling method comments and the suspension comments. The particular means of cooling or suspension is given on a bike for optimum performance. Everything should not be about just asthetics, looks or spec bragging rights.
Damn I never knew forks had male and female parts♀️♂️😂
Even sockets 3pin plugs are also nomenclatured as male female for easy understanding 😅😅
anytime any long thing goes into a hollow thing, they are named male and female... Now you know!!!
._.
Welcome to technical terms lol
We use it everyday in electronics
Anything which goes inside is a male part. 🙂
Can you make a video about best oil to run your motorcycle on , the best tyres to run a motorcycle on and DIY service pack to help riders maintain their motor cycles (pretty please)
about oil there's already a video made by them open the channel its 6-7th video
Thank you so much sir, people are so much focused on having USD forks, disregarding their requirements and jump to costlier motorcycles on basis of that. It cleared up that we don't necessarily need USD forks on a minor 200cc motorcycles.
Also what I have read is that component of unsprung mass is lesser for upside down forks , making the overall job of suspension unit easier .
👍👍👍
Yes but explaining unsprung mass in itself is a whole Simplified episode
It's funny he says "500cc commuter lol".
Only RE 500s are considered commuters. At least for me.
I wish my biology class was this easy.
Very good series.
Dumb people wont believe normal experienced folks, But if it comes from a good influencer, Its great !
Guys let's request them to do on ... when air cooling makes sense and when oil cooling actually makes sense..
Great explaination! Plz make something Engine working. Block, crankshaft, compression ratios etc
I can't stress this enough, best and most concise explanation ever !!
tank god the series is free lol
Shumi teaching like IIT professor
Great video as always PD! Can we expect more of Shumi and Varun’s podcasts ?
in the old days all forks truncheons were covered with rubber protection, but ppl thought it marred the looks so now the
What a teacher... Absolutely awesome! Can you please do a video on how exactly does a cornering ABS work and how different it is from a conventional ABS?
What's the idea behind having open chain rather than a covered one like the commuters.. any advantage apart from asthetics
Simply terrific explanation! Every school needs a teacher like him. Bravo! Thanx
Also, with upside down forks the bigger and heavier part is “steady” while the smaller and lighter part is traveling up and down with the wheel... therefore, it’s less mass to get it’s movement absorbed by the springs and dampeners (and ultimately by the chassi)
Shumi should start speaking on meaning of life and life lessons as well... Powerdrift podcast have nothing but life changing...!! Kudos..👍👍
Awesome coverage on front suspensions........ Would be great if sensei shoomi would have covered rear suspensions as well
That's a grade school level of explanation, easy to understand. Thank you so much.
Shumi I have recently started watching your videos and I am hooked !! You are probably the most sensible and knowledgeable motorcycle reviewer I have seen ! Like your philosophy and way of thinking and also your ever so sensible advice. If more bikers took your advice roads would be much safer. Respect !
You have a good teacher in you Shumi.
One more important thing USD provided more aerodynamic efficiency
Not true. The mudguard shrouds are more to prevent dirt from falling on the stanchion than for aero
Why should we prefer front brake more than the rear
Telescopic forks are better for Indian roads and hence we don't see a litre class bikes often in India we don't need USD forks but now companies started using USD forks as a gimmick
Hi Shumi, This playlist is amazing and the way you explain it, well I wish you were my school teacher for every class. From the topic of USD and telescopic suspension systems, I would request you to also shed some light on rear suspensions: Mono and the dual set up. Second topic I can think of would be lights: halogen, LED and projectors. Also since LEDs generally blind the oncoming traffic even when their throw isn't that great from a rider's perspective. Generally LEDs are very powerful. Please also explain use of auxiliary lights.
3rd and the most important : With riding schools out of reach and knowledge of most people, how can we improve our skills.
Came here after Hero's media ride launch of Mavrick 440, as they provide USD for Harley x440, whereas Telescopic (RSD) in Mavrick.
As always...great work...can you make a video explaining the torque and horsepower aspects? How do producers measure them?
Thanks Gaurav! That might be a good idea; we shall try!
Prof. Shumi always rocks....
I was hoping you'd include the part about sprung and unsprung weight difference
There’s also the idea of mounting heavier things closer to the CoG. But I thought 4 things esp the idea of unsprung weight would complicate the issue
Aluminum swing arm and Normal swing arm
Good topic covered 👌🏻.
Can you please cover the topic about the different grades of fork oils and their applications.
Wish you also talked about unsprung mass and the benefits in handling that comes when you reduce it. USD helps in that as wel.. also it's normally a challenge to keep the CoG low when you use a USD at the front.
4:32 OH shit 🤣🤣🤣
Hey PowerDrift, could you guys please make a video on different types of engine: v-twin, inline 3, inline 4, etc and their impact on the performance. Also, a video on CC, BHP, Torque would be really helpful. TIA!
Can you do a video on rear suspension too...there are many mono shock...dual shock and then adjustability terms like front load and pre load
Great video PD and Shumi your screen presence is amazing. My two cents- apart from the structural function, upside down forks also result in a lower unsprung mass thereby creating a positive impact on handling and steering among other things.
I think the Dampers which controls the movement of spring are absent in E-Rickshaws. 😂😂
They use leaf springs not the spring and damper setup (called McPherson strut).
Suspensions also have various types. It is not a one size fits all thing.
E rickshaws don't bounce back and forth. They just transmit whatever they feel to you. Every undulation. This is the hallmark of leaf springs. They are made for rigidity and stability.
Hence used in commercial vehicles and trucks. Their use in e rickshaws isn't correct but is done to keep costs low. Most of e rickshaw manufacturers aren't really very engineering savvy, not very organized either. They need not be. They are sold purely on cost, not engineering prowess.
Hard seat vs soft seat
Unless you're on a tight budget, an USD is simply the better fork. If that's not true, all these high-end Superbikes would have telescopic forks😂
Thank you for explaining the terminologies in a simplified manner
You should be a professor Shumi!!
how does suspension plays major role in racing? Not only bikes but cars also. Would you explain it?
Duke 125: Hold my 12 bhp
Fixed Vs floating brake calipers..would love it if you covered those!
An addition to Schumi's summary is the unsprung weight advantage that USD forks offer (lighter stanchion adding to sprung mass)which is a significant factor in performance motorcycle handling & braking. On a street bike or lighter machine, the weight difference is marginal & a USD is almost an expensive cosmetic upgrade.
What's the difference between a Single cradle frame, a double cradle frame, a perimeter frame and a trellis frame
Let's talk about quick shifters and auto blippers..
Shumi you missed out to speak about unsprung weight. An advantage Upside-down fork over conventional forks..
Missed it? Unsprung weight has to be its own episode!
@@shu_mar thanks for the quick turnaround! Awesome content & good pieces of knowledge shared.👍👍 Looking forward for more..🙏
Thank you. Was having trouble trying to understand this.
thank you for the seal cover suggestion .. that's gonna help me later in term of maintenance ..
Need a video about engine braking and rev matching
Can you make a video about difference in coolant type and colour
Differences between dry and wet clutch shumi
I feel you missed explaining spring preload, suspension travel, using stiffer springs, using heavier fork oils, changing RSU forks for USD forks or vice versa etc. Could you do a part 2 video on these. Much appreciated and great explanatory video. Greetings from Sri Lanka!
I think you have missed one point. It reduces the unsprung mass.
Not missed as much as left for later. Unsprung mass itself needs a simplified video
Please do a comparison between oil cooling vs liquid cooling 🙏
now this is the type of explanation done by the professionals. Loved it.
Next video on Slipper clutch and quick shifter vs normal changing of gears
The name themselves explain it clearer
@@athulskumar9361 ooh wow then the name for upside down and telescopic fork seems clearer to you! then why you go for that video
way you elaborating is really very effective for the viewer , which don't have much technical knowledge .and my question is difference between spokes wheel and alloys ? like even bigger bikes use spokes like africa twin many more!
N3xt one mono shock vs dual shock for rear side. Good video this.
Best best best way of explaining bang on points 🙏
Please make a video on why the pillion seat on bikes are raised and even if they are flat why they are not long and wide like scooters
Shumi is like that professor In college who can get you engaged in the class no matter what the topic is 🙌
Thanks for the detailed explanation, really helpful. Can we get to know about Cylinders in engine and how do they function. Thanks in advance!
Explain Ride by wire and others
Thanks Shumi for the knowledge you give through Simplified. I would like see a video on difference between oil cooled engine & air cooled engine. Hope to see this soon..
Please continue with the simplified series, it's really help full
Basic suspension tuning with respect to adjusting sag, preload, compression and damping for one’s own weight. I know dave moss is the OG is this field, but it would be nice to get a basic guide from Shumi. Cheers
The explanation was very clear as compared to any other videos out there
Only 2 words ....well explained
Question: What happens if you forget to lubricate your chain or dont apply adequate lubricant on it. How to know how much to apply. The service personnel informed me that the chain and sprocket needs to be replaced even though i have been lubricating regularly at 500 km intervals. The bike is Duke 250 and has 5_500 kms in 6 months. Most documentation mentions needing this at 15_000 Kms. There is a audible sound when the clutch is pressed and no throttle in an isolated location and the bike is rolling above 15 kmph.
Clear and neatly explained
Shumi need your explanation. On clutch less upshifts and downshits. And is it okay. To go clutch less in motorcycles without quickshifter
1. How does a size of a disc break affect breaking performance?
2. How can we prevent clutch lever wobble?
3. Are premium fuels worth it (than the regular fuel)?