Simplified: Telescopic fork vs Upside-down fork - Which one’s better? | PowerDrift

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  • Опубликовано: 15 янв 2025

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  • @powerdriftofficial
    @powerdriftofficial  3 года назад +94

    Hey #PDArmy, we hope this clarified your doubts! Hit that Like button if it did! And let us know below what more you'd like us to cover!

    • @abhishekghosh177
      @abhishekghosh177 3 года назад +7

      Next video on bike gears why do we need to change gears (upshifts and downshifts) what is the ideal speed to keep a particular gear or change a gear

    • @mehulpatel891
      @mehulpatel891 3 года назад +2

      Can we have a video on break and clutch adjustable livers how does it work and what difference it makes with normal non adjustable once...

    • @rohanjaison106
      @rohanjaison106 3 года назад +2

      Hub Center steering ( motorcycle) Vyrus , pls do a episode on this topic, pls......

    • @65-adityamhaiskar92
      @65-adityamhaiskar92 3 года назад +5

      Can u make the next video on engine cooling systems (like air-cooled, liquid cooled, etc.)

    • @kumarsbalu
      @kumarsbalu 3 года назад +1

      Neatly explained, great video

  • @WarriorOfTheSunset
    @WarriorOfTheSunset 3 года назад +414

    Every School needs a Teacher like Shumi... ❤️

    • @Heisenberg_747
      @Heisenberg_747 3 года назад +13

      @@jayakrishna2305 stupidity level of this comment 9999999

    • @saurav-sky55
      @saurav-sky55 3 года назад +5

      Well I am ok if this comment seems to be stupid

    • @shu_mar
      @shu_mar 3 года назад +10

      @@jayakrishna2305 What’s wrong with becoming a mechanic?

    • @pg282
      @pg282 3 года назад +5

      People who are have a passion for motorcycling and does go for long hauls on their motorcycle or do tracks or do off-roading need to have this knowledge on need-to-know basis. This knowledge sharing and understanding is not for all.
      Its not for the average joes or jayakrishnas (as it seems here)

    • @WarriorOfTheSunset
      @WarriorOfTheSunset 3 года назад +8

      @@jayakrishna2305 What Shumi explained was something abt Spring Action n Fluid Mechanics... Well that brings me to a question... Are you an Arts/Commerce Student?

  • @7rahe13
    @7rahe13 3 года назад +141

    Hey PD, could you please make an episode on different types of motorcycle chassis - trellis and perimeter frames, single and double downtube, etc. It would be interesting to understand their pros and cons. Thanks.

  • @Rajukjha007
    @Rajukjha007 3 года назад +68

    As expected shumar is that friend who teach you 10 mins and pass you the exams. thanks

  • @Aditya-bu3xj
    @Aditya-bu3xj 3 года назад +35

    When is the next part of Holy shift coming???? Absolutely loved the last one.

  • @XchildofhateX
    @XchildofhateX 3 года назад +52

    These segments remind me of Ari Hennig's MC Garage videos that he used to do a couple of years ago.

    • @Thegeekishnerd13
      @Thegeekishnerd13 3 года назад +4

      he still does that with revzilla. called as "the shop manual"

    • @vaibhavhalgekar914
      @vaibhavhalgekar914 3 года назад +2

      He still does those series... Very informative 🙏

    • @XchildofhateX
      @XchildofhateX 3 года назад +1

      @@Thegeekishnerd13 Yeah I know but most Shop Manual videos feel a bit more technically inclined than both Simplified and MC Garage. Just a feeling. Cheers.

    • @notorious1921
      @notorious1921 3 года назад

      Yes this is our indian version of that and I always like to hear from Shumi.

  • @kj_mdn
    @kj_mdn 3 года назад +72

    Need an explanation about the differences between a box section Swingarm and an aluminium swingarm. And why swingarms are related to handling.

    • @KarteekRakshit
      @KarteekRakshit 3 года назад +1

      Yes

    • @AbhishekBalagaon
      @AbhishekBalagaon 3 года назад

      +1

    • @lutenic6111
      @lutenic6111 3 года назад

      Good Topic!

    • @manthenvashishth3769
      @manthenvashishth3769 3 года назад +1

      Swingarms directly are related to handling. They are vertical pivot one end of which has the rear wheel of bike connected with it and the other end is connected to Frame of bike. Swingarms can be one sided and 2 sided. Weight of swingarm, it's construction etc affects the handling in either way be it good or bad. An aluminum swingarm is better than box section swingarm cuz it's a cast or forged part which is lighter than the box section swingarm and will imply lighter and easy controls and thus better maneuverability and improving handling, moreover a forged aluminum swingarm will have more structural integrity than the cast swingarm cuz of the arrangement of the aluminum particles in it and will be lighter too. A carbon fiber swingarm will be even better than aluminum cuz it's lighter than aluminum and more stronger than aluminium . That's the reason why forged alloy wheels of cars are better than die cast wheels (only on the asphalt). The arrangement of particles while forging gives them more structural integrity than the cast where the metal is just melted poured in a die and then made. Hope you got your answer pal.

    • @kj_mdn
      @kj_mdn 3 года назад +1

      @@manthenvashishth3769 thanks I got it 🙌

  • @hemswaroopraorane3424
    @hemswaroopraorane3424 3 года назад +27

    suggestions for topics 😂:
    1.2 ,3,4 valve engine
    2.rider triangle
    3.sprockets

  • @maharshipratap9609
    @maharshipratap9609 3 года назад +20

    Shumi please provide us the regular bike reviews more often. We just adore the way you explain everything to noobs like me❤️

  • @igorpietak937
    @igorpietak937 Год назад +2

    You missed very important part: upside down forks installations have much less unsprung weight. This is crucial for better handling, turning and response for road imperfections. Both steering and comfort will benefit from USD.

  • @prasadkalekar1163
    @prasadkalekar1163 3 года назад +11

    This series is really informative. Just a suggestion discussion on drum brakes and disc brakes. It also can feature advantages of ABS

  • @baravinds
    @baravinds 3 года назад +2

    Explained very clearly, precisely and kept it simple with basic explanation👌🏼

  • @kitchugeths
    @kitchugeths 3 года назад +7

    I have a little dilemma up here... "MC garage" on the other hand, does have a completely different opinion, stating that aesthetics is the major difference. I'm confused.

  • @varun_wadekar
    @varun_wadekar 3 года назад +11

    Great video Shumi sir!!! Please talk about different types of *swingarms* in next video

  • @drsreerag
    @drsreerag 3 года назад +2

    Explained really well …. All these years of doubts based on this topic just got erased after seeing this video..
    thanks a lot..

  • @samkanish1987
    @samkanish1987 3 года назад +2

    4:32 OH shit 🤣🤣🤣

  • @prameethprabhu
    @prameethprabhu 3 года назад +2

    There is another reason for USD forks on performance motorcycles. The part that moves about is the stanchion which weighs less than the female part (containing oil, springs and the weight of the fork itself). There fore, the weight of the moving component is lesser giving a better performance improvement.

    • @shu_mar
      @shu_mar 3 года назад +1

      More importantly the lighter part is farther from the CoG as well as mounting points. So performance is better

  • @arvindkrishnan5816
    @arvindkrishnan5816 3 года назад +1

    I have listened to all your podcasts till now Schumi. Thanks for clearing my doubts. Keep rocking bro.

  • @karthikk3867
    @karthikk3867 3 года назад +1

    Best best best way of explaining bang on points 🙏

  • @afletra
    @afletra 3 года назад +3

    a little misunderstanding that seems like all the people in the world did is, and upside down front fork is actually a telescopic fork too, but inverted. so saying "telescopic vs upside down" or "telescopic and upside down fork" differences is actually wrong.

  • @obviouslynotagentleman5831
    @obviouslynotagentleman5831 3 года назад +1

    Beautifully explained 👍👍 .

  • @AchintyaPandit
    @AchintyaPandit 3 года назад +1

    Very clearly explained! I hope this clears up the heads of those R15 and MT15 owners who keep complaining that their bikes are inferior to ones sold overseas.

  • @acescok
    @acescok Год назад

    Being an engineer myself, it was just a breeze watching through and understanding every bit of what you just explained, much like reading through a well written book. Good Job

  • @mks2822
    @mks2822 3 года назад

    As a motorcycle enthusiast what I like is how you explain at engineering level in very simple form. Thank you brother.

  • @nikhileshwarjakka1316
    @nikhileshwarjakka1316 3 года назад +5

    Why should we prefer front brake more than the rear

  • @nabeelpa2564
    @nabeelpa2564 3 года назад +2

    Also what I have read is that component of unsprung mass is lesser for upside down forks , making the overall job of suspension unit easier .

    • @nabeel5757
      @nabeel5757 3 года назад

      👍👍👍

    • @shu_mar
      @shu_mar 3 года назад +1

      Yes but explaining unsprung mass in itself is a whole Simplified episode

  • @aravind1264
    @aravind1264 3 года назад +7

    Suggestion -
    normal clutch systems & hydraulic clutch systems
    Single & multiple cylinder engines

  • @AMVideoViewer
    @AMVideoViewer 3 года назад +14

    I had a question. Why did bike manufacturers switch to monoshock suspensions for the rear passenger when a telescopic suspension seems like it would be more comfortable? Also, am I wrong in thinking it would be more comfortable? Seems 2 is better than one.

    • @Finnv893
      @Finnv893 2 года назад

      That's a very faulty assumption, telescopic forks have two legs therefore requiring two sets of wiper which will give twice the stiction, many times more if they are gummed up by dirt. The reason why the motorcycle industry hasn't switched to linkage forks (either one or two-legged) is because of economy of scale and consumer perception, most bikers care so much about looks they want the manufactures to sacrifice improvement in function to keep the aesthetics; you don't see telescoping shocks for the front wheels of cars, unfortunately MTBs followed in motorcycles footsteps because telescopic forks came first on motorcycles. A well designed linkage is always better than two giant sliding tubes, it can offer less brake dive, less unsprung weight, more small bump sensitivity, be virtually maintenance free and make use of the plethora of different rear shocks already on the market.

  • @1123phoenix
    @1123phoenix 3 года назад +1

    Great explaination! Plz make something Engine working. Block, crankshaft, compression ratios etc

  • @ShreyasKa92
    @ShreyasKa92 3 года назад +1

    Very good series.
    Dumb people wont believe normal experienced folks, But if it comes from a good influencer, Its great !

  • @46rise
    @46rise 5 месяцев назад +1

    I wish my biology class was this easy.

  • @mandalorian1992
    @mandalorian1992 3 года назад +4

    What a teacher... Absolutely awesome! Can you please do a video on how exactly does a cornering ABS work and how different it is from a conventional ABS?

  • @chakri1vr1
    @chakri1vr1 3 года назад

    I can't stress this enough, best and most concise explanation ever !!

  • @rahulsakunde9431
    @rahulsakunde9431 3 года назад +2

    You have a good teacher in you Shumi.

  • @Shaival24
    @Shaival24 3 года назад +2

    Awesome coverage on front suspensions........ Would be great if sensei shoomi would have covered rear suspensions as well

  • @atsonaga5520
    @atsonaga5520 3 года назад +124

    Damn I never knew forks had male and female parts♀️♂️😂

    • @revzzrider
      @revzzrider 3 года назад +13

      Even sockets 3pin plugs are also nomenclatured as male female for easy understanding 😅😅

    • @Amuzic_Earth
      @Amuzic_Earth 3 года назад +12

      anytime any long thing goes into a hollow thing, they are named male and female... Now you know!!!

    • @rishith9795
      @rishith9795 3 года назад

      ._.

    • @uvuvwevwevweossaswithglasses
      @uvuvwevwevweossaswithglasses 3 года назад +3

      Welcome to technical terms lol
      We use it everyday in electronics

    • @sudattsdeadchannel3495
      @sudattsdeadchannel3495 3 года назад

      Anything which goes inside is a male part. 🙂

  • @vilaskulkarni3147
    @vilaskulkarni3147 2 года назад

    Simply terrific explanation! Every school needs a teacher like him. Bravo! Thanx

  • @UnShEeP924
    @UnShEeP924 3 года назад +1

    I completely agree with the cooling method comments and the suspension comments. The particular means of cooling or suspension is given on a bike for optimum performance. Everything should not be about just asthetics, looks or spec bragging rights.

  • @ajasmohd3473
    @ajasmohd3473 3 года назад +4

    Good topic covered 👌🏻.
    Can you please cover the topic about the different grades of fork oils and their applications.

  • @suhashg8664
    @suhashg8664 3 года назад +1

    Guys let's request them to do on ... when air cooling makes sense and when oil cooling actually makes sense..

  • @vaibhavjadon8008
    @vaibhavjadon8008 Год назад

    Thank you so much sir, people are so much focused on having USD forks, disregarding their requirements and jump to costlier motorcycles on basis of that. It cleared up that we don't necessarily need USD forks on a minor 200cc motorcycles.

  • @AK-gg6bg
    @AK-gg6bg 3 года назад +1

    It's funny he says "500cc commuter lol".
    Only RE 500s are considered commuters. At least for me.

  • @daneshmaximus3707
    @daneshmaximus3707 3 года назад +1

    Prof. Shumi always rocks....

  • @Sonu19424
    @Sonu19424 3 года назад +1

    Good practical and useful tips 👍✌️

  • @rishijaiswal1
    @rishijaiswal1 3 года назад

    Shumi I have recently started watching your videos and I am hooked !! You are probably the most sensible and knowledgeable motorcycle reviewer I have seen ! Like your philosophy and way of thinking and also your ever so sensible advice. If more bikers took your advice roads would be much safer. Respect !

  • @johnjeferson5818
    @johnjeferson5818 3 года назад +7

    Can you make a video about best oil to run your motorcycle on , the best tyres to run a motorcycle on and DIY service pack to help riders maintain their motor cycles (pretty please)

    • @Jatin878
      @Jatin878 3 года назад +1

      about oil there's already a video made by them open the channel its 6-7th video

  • @TheDashmesh
    @TheDashmesh 3 года назад +6

    Great video as always PD! Can we expect more of Shumi and Varun’s podcasts ?

  • @suneelkumar-ri5uh
    @suneelkumar-ri5uh 3 года назад +1

    Shumi teaching like IIT professor

  • @pmichaeles
    @pmichaeles 3 года назад +3

    What's the idea behind having open chain rather than a covered one like the commuters.. any advantage apart from asthetics

  • @emmanuvel.j5237
    @emmanuvel.j5237 3 года назад +1

    Please make a video on why the pillion seat on bikes are raised and even if they are flat why they are not long and wide like scooters

  • @Ghost-pr9bm
    @Ghost-pr9bm 3 года назад +1

    tank god the series is free lol

  • @GauravDeshmukh7
    @GauravDeshmukh7 3 года назад +5

    As always...great work...can you make a video explaining the torque and horsepower aspects? How do producers measure them?

    • @powerdriftofficial
      @powerdriftofficial  3 года назад +3

      Thanks Gaurav! That might be a good idea; we shall try!

  • @Shreyas.Gune28
    @Shreyas.Gune28 3 года назад +1

    how does suspension plays major role in racing? Not only bikes but cars also. Would you explain it?

  • @mickeysblitz7283
    @mickeysblitz7283 3 года назад +1

    way you elaborating is really very effective for the viewer , which don't have much technical knowledge .and my question is difference between spokes wheel and alloys ? like even bigger bikes use spokes like africa twin many more!

  • @seekter-kafa
    @seekter-kafa Год назад

    in the old days all forks truncheons were covered with rubber protection, but ppl thought it marred the looks so now the

  • @ganeshpatil9945
    @ganeshpatil9945 3 года назад +1

    Thank you ✌

  • @br1pres8
    @br1pres8 3 года назад +1

    Also, with upside down forks the bigger and heavier part is “steady” while the smaller and lighter part is traveling up and down with the wheel... therefore, it’s less mass to get it’s movement absorbed by the springs and dampeners (and ultimately by the chassi)

  • @DBomber_24
    @DBomber_24 3 года назад

    That's a grade school level of explanation, easy to understand. Thank you so much.

  • @Janmenjay
    @Janmenjay 3 года назад

    Hi Shumi, This playlist is amazing and the way you explain it, well I wish you were my school teacher for every class. From the topic of USD and telescopic suspension systems, I would request you to also shed some light on rear suspensions: Mono and the dual set up. Second topic I can think of would be lights: halogen, LED and projectors. Also since LEDs generally blind the oncoming traffic even when their throw isn't that great from a rider's perspective. Generally LEDs are very powerful. Please also explain use of auxiliary lights.
    3rd and the most important : With riding schools out of reach and knowledge of most people, how can we improve our skills.

  • @bobjohnson1633
    @bobjohnson1633 Год назад

    Excellent explanation. Clear and concise.

  • @fusioncoast
    @fusioncoast 3 года назад +1

    Clear and neatly explained

  • @kj_mdn
    @kj_mdn 3 года назад +2

    Need a video about engine braking and rev matching

  • @ajinkyadange74
    @ajinkyadange74 3 года назад +2

    Great video PD and Shumi your screen presence is amazing. My two cents- apart from the structural function, upside down forks also result in a lower unsprung mass thereby creating a positive impact on handling and steering among other things.

  • @janaizeme6937
    @janaizeme6937 3 года назад +1

    Amazing explaination...

  • @Antony_Shamarjit_Lee
    @Antony_Shamarjit_Lee 11 месяцев назад +1

    Came here after Hero's media ride launch of Mavrick 440, as they provide USD for Harley x440, whereas Telescopic (RSD) in Mavrick.

  • @ashutoshnath8209
    @ashutoshnath8209 3 года назад +1

    Telescopic forks are better for Indian roads and hence we don't see a litre class bikes often in India we don't need USD forks but now companies started using USD forks as a gimmick

  • @yashgaglani9990
    @yashgaglani9990 3 года назад +2

    Can you do a video on rear suspension too...there are many mono shock...dual shock and then adjustability terms like front load and pre load

  • @haranhari8908
    @haranhari8908 3 года назад

    Thank you sir, for clearing my doubts and knowing about oil seal cap

  • @thapage
    @thapage 3 года назад +2

    Thanks for the detailed explanation, really helpful. Can we get to know about Cylinders in engine and how do they function. Thanks in advance!

  • @aimanshafiq9582
    @aimanshafiq9582 Год назад

    thank you for the seal cover suggestion .. that's gonna help me later in term of maintenance ..

  • @bitbutmusic1406
    @bitbutmusic1406 3 года назад +2

    Please do a comparison between oil cooling vs liquid cooling 🙏

  • @sandeepbl4748
    @sandeepbl4748 3 года назад +1

    Hi shumi
    Nice to see and hear such content for new generation bikers pls make content on disk brake and drum drake and abs on both the brakes

  • @Connectjoelfernandes
    @Connectjoelfernandes 3 года назад +3

    Can you make a video about difference in coolant type and colour

  • @thatsarider5585
    @thatsarider5585 3 года назад +1

    Make a video on Compression ratio

  • @entertainmentknowledge122
    @entertainmentknowledge122 3 года назад

    Thank you for explaining the terminologies in a simplified manner

  • @sohamjoshi5147
    @sohamjoshi5147 3 года назад +4

    I was hoping you'd include the part about sprung and unsprung weight difference

    • @shu_mar
      @shu_mar 3 года назад +1

      There’s also the idea of mounting heavier things closer to the CoG. But I thought 4 things esp the idea of unsprung weight would complicate the issue

  • @krishthenivallu3421
    @krishthenivallu3421 3 года назад +1

    Differences between dry and wet clutch shumi

  • @prabhu200519
    @prabhu200519 3 года назад +2

    Wish you also talked about unsprung mass and the benefits in handling that comes when you reduce it. USD helps in that as wel.. also it's normally a challenge to keep the CoG low when you use a USD at the front.

  • @incorefoysal
    @incorefoysal 3 года назад +1

    That was amazing. All the videos talk about high performance this and that but you explained it mechanically 👌👌

  • @umakantd.109
    @umakantd.109 3 года назад +1

    Hard seat vs soft seat

  • @sutanuguha2902
    @sutanuguha2902 3 года назад +1

    Thank you. Was having trouble trying to understand this.

  • @StOrM_JU
    @StOrM_JU 10 месяцев назад

    The explanation was very clear as compared to any other videos out there

  • @TheYummy0909
    @TheYummy0909 3 года назад

    Just simply and easy explanation. Thank-you Sir.

  • @arjunkumar-xi5ks
    @arjunkumar-xi5ks 3 года назад +1

    Definitely helpful

  • @harshaokin8064
    @harshaokin8064 3 года назад

    gosh!! splendid video!! I really had this doubt about forks and had no clue on what precisely to google. you people made my day, PD!!!
    thank you for this series, powerdrift Shumified

  • @HarshSingh-iu3xs
    @HarshSingh-iu3xs 3 года назад +1

    N3xt one mono shock vs dual shock for rear side. Good video this.

  • @anuragsharma9132
    @anuragsharma9132 3 года назад +1

    What's the difference between a Single cradle frame, a double cradle frame, a perimeter frame and a trellis frame

  • @justinesebastiankanjirathi1343
    @justinesebastiankanjirathi1343 3 года назад

    Watching u for the first time...clear and crisp. Would u plz explain slipper clutch

  • @shreeramhegade9008
    @shreeramhegade9008 3 года назад +1

    Great info pd,
    Can you explain the different engine setups ? Single , double cylinder, inline four, Vtwin etc ?

  • @tusharj40
    @tusharj40 3 года назад +1

    Please let us know difference between radially fitted brake calipers and normal fitted brake calipers?

  • @onkargadale
    @onkargadale 3 года назад +1

    How traction control works and what is exact use of that?

  • @perpetualprosperity2963
    @perpetualprosperity2963 3 года назад

    Excellent answer & explanation. Thankyou 🙏🙏

  • @visheshprasad1146
    @visheshprasad1146 3 года назад +4

    Hey PowerDrift, could you guys please make a video on different types of engine: v-twin, inline 3, inline 4, etc and their impact on the performance. Also, a video on CC, BHP, Torque would be really helpful. TIA!

  • @ayushmanguha8417
    @ayushmanguha8417 3 года назад +4

    Next simplied sterring damper please 🙏🙏🙏

  • @SaiKumar-cu4cm
    @SaiKumar-cu4cm 3 года назад +1

    Great video by shumi.
    Can you speak about chain and sprockets

  • @nikhileshwarjakka1316
    @nikhileshwarjakka1316 3 года назад +2

    Explain Ride by wire and others

  • @SidK26
    @SidK26 6 месяцев назад

    Dude, I juat found you and you have a video for every part that I want to know about right now! Subscribed, keep up the work (and constantly update with time) 👏🏼👏🏼🙌🏼

  • @ashishhegde6040
    @ashishhegde6040 3 года назад +2

    Shumi should start speaking on meaning of life and life lessons as well... Powerdrift podcast have nothing but life changing...!! Kudos..👍👍

  • @osamaaijaz4055
    @osamaaijaz4055 3 года назад +1

    Shumi you missed out to speak about unsprung weight. An advantage Upside-down fork over conventional forks..

    • @shu_mar
      @shu_mar 3 года назад +1

      Missed it? Unsprung weight has to be its own episode!

    • @osamaaijaz4055
      @osamaaijaz4055 3 года назад

      @@shu_mar thanks for the quick turnaround! Awesome content & good pieces of knowledge shared.👍👍 Looking forward for more..🙏

  • @swapnilkedar3442
    @swapnilkedar3442 3 года назад +2

    Thanks Shumi for the knowledge you give through Simplified. I would like see a video on difference between oil cooled engine & air cooled engine. Hope to see this soon..