KEF KC62 vs KF92 || Want my subwoofer advice? Let's review the facts..
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- Опубликовано: 12 фев 2021
- Kef KC62 vs KF92? Perhaps you're considering a subwoofer from Kef? Perhaps you've heard either the KC62 or KF92 will be that special subwoofer that can work miracles for your hifi or home theater setup? Is that the truth? I'm here to keep your expectations in check. I know many of you are looking for a review, but what good is a review when you haven't even heard it in YOUR house.
Perhaps you're looking for a 1 or 2 subwoofers that promise amazing bass for your home theater / home cinema setup? I'll try my best today to give you the best subwoofer advice I can, which you won't always get in the reviews.
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Many RUclips reviewers within the hifi industry claim that 'they haven't heard a better subwoofer for the price'...at least until the new model comes out and then their advice suddenly changes. Have you noticed that?
This channel is about restoring balance and giving impartial, honest advice from somebody who is a Hifi enthusiast without any stake in sales revenue and profits.
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*Can we be a bit more civil this time boys and girls?* :D
*Try not to get your knickers in a twist this time!*
If you're STILL upset after this video, then I will give up on you altogether! 😂😂😂
In my next video, I will be proving using Maths and Physics that everything I am saying is right. Subscribe if you want to know more.
*Don't let* sponsored reviewers make the choice for you; *take back* your independence over your purchase decisions. These guys are here to sell you products and they couldn't give a damn about what's good for your wallet!
Take care guys ❤️
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So have you not even had a KF92 in your possession to review? Are you just talking about subs that you''ve never personally tested and never heard in your own room? What kind of video is this?
I thought the same.
You've done a hell of a job explaining. Very articulate. Keep it up!
So you haven’t reviewed the sub or used it in your room but are stating it can’t achieve what it claims. Got it,
Dude we love everything about your Chanel keep up the good work 🙌🙏👍😎
Thank you mate :) Means a heck of a lot!
Great advice. Helped me out thanks.
Good that I found this video. I was about to buy KF92, but now I got second thoughts. I’ve never heard any of svs or Kef subwoofers. Best to audition them first before deciding.
agreed - always audition at your home no matter what!
@@propercushty I saw a review about Arendal 1723 1S and the claim there is that 1723 1S is better in every way than SVS 3000 pro. What’s your take on that?
I had a doubts to buy 2* KF92 or 2* SVS 3000. This video helped me to make decision for SVS 3000. Thank you.
Keep doing what you do my friend .. Thank you!
Thank you, that was useful as I am considering both Kef's and the SVS 3000. I have just received two of the SVS 2000 Pro's and have decided to return them because I am disappointed with the thin construction of the cabinets. The SVS 3000 has a double layered construction apparently.
Hi Rodney. Thanks for that information.
I am actually doing a review of the SVS SB3000 in the coming 1-2 weeks.
I agree the SB 2000s are a bit behind the 3000 in terms of the quality of construction.
@@propercushty Thanks for your reply. I've now decided to swap the SVS SB-2000 Pro for the Rel T/9i (after a lot of research). I have mini dsp so the dsp feature on the SVS is not that important for me. R.
Thanks boss. I like your honest review. Help people who don't have this knowledge to buy what they are looking for. Big up.
Glad to help
Lol what a troll. Get the units and do a proper review without wasting everyone’s time.
Good video, your points are valid, and do match other reviews from folks without a dog in the race. As they have discovered the same regarding the small KEF, great subwoofer, with some help from the marketing department. .
If there is one thing I’ve learned in life... it’s that no matter how clearly you make an argument people will misinterpret and twist it. And if I’ve learned two lessons.. it’s that trolls on the internet will say shit that they would never say in person. Don’t fret the trolls.
Thanks for the support Peter. Lol I can sleep at night, no problem. I just wondered perhaps people misunderstood the last video so thought I would try and make it clearer.
So yeah...I tried!
Take care of yourself buddy and thanks for watching!
Fanks a lot guvna 👍 that’s enlightening, that is, innit? 😊 sorry, couldn’t help myself, love your delivery. Very helpful comparison. Thank you.
haha take it easy mate
Well done Video good balance in logic and rationale!!! Keep it up
Glad you liked it! Appreciate it mate!
bro get the sub listen to it THEN REVIEW IT! that's why you got so much hate. You're basically clickbait.
With all due respect, that's not true at all..if people don't understand that the only thing you can trust is real measurements and home demos, then that's not my problem. Thumbnail doesn't say review..it says honest thoughts and friendly advice. Throughout the whole video I review the facts. I can't help it if people can't read.
My advice:
Don't trust people reviewing speakers and subwoofers. They're paid reviewers and they have different room acoustics to you.
Go to the shop, buy it and demo it yourself. Don't expect people to buy it for you. I'm trying to give you back your independence over the goods you buy.
These 'review' channels are more like salesmen in speaker shops mate. I never hear a bad review from these people.
If you don't understand this now, then you might understand in the future and I hope that day arrives soon!
@@propercushty you're right, reviewers are more like salesmen. The problem is that not all people can audition this kind of equipment before purchase.
I have 2 b&w pv1d and really like the look and sound .No problems here. Thanks for the review. Could you do a review on the pv1d ?
Hello mate. I was actually going to do that in the next couple of weeks as it happens! I think B&W PV1D is really cool looking - if you have 2, you're in a much better position to enjoy a nice sound, I agree!
Found your stuff and really enjoying it. Subbed.
I hope you continue to put our content and follow your passion. I also think you need to look at the comment section as an outhouse with jewelry dropped in: a lot of shit and a few gems.
People are going to be mean, nasty and personal: sometimes they mean it and sometimes it’s trolling. I wish you the best in finding a way so they do not affect you. Your work is solid, it’s unique and it’s authentic and I’d hate to see you get too rattled by the trolls.
Cheers.
Thanks dude! Glad I just found another gem :D
I haven't seen the other video or comments. Just want to say:
Don't let other peoples bad vibes, destroy your good vibes. You have great content. Before commenting:
Is it true.
Is it nice.
Is it necessary.
(If you can't check at least two, then stay silent) 😊
Hello Andre. Thank you for this feedback!
I have to admit, this is one area where I have given in to temptation and I have fought fire with fire a few times. When people have left me unfair comments, on some occasions I have given them the time of day and fought back.
I have now built up some tolerance to this and have recognised this is not the way these situations should be handled!
And so I take on board your great advice:
Is it true.
Is it nice.
Is it necessary.
Very wise 😃✔
Never worry what other people think or say... Keep up the good work 👍
Hey bud dont you worry about what any one says your doing a great job😎🙌👍💪🙏
thanks pal :)
I got some Sonos ones and 1 sub and it sounds amazing to me lol. I'm thinking of adding another sub now that you can pair two sonos sub. I think that as long as you enjoy it then whatever you have should be enough.
lol that's good for you then mate. I have nothing wrong with the Sonos sub if it means people are happy with the purchase.
The thing with this product is it's merging two markets: people who want a nice-sounding system that looks good + audiophiles interested in Kef products. To you, it makes sense to buy it and just be happy with it, but to some people, they get really anal about it and they just want more and more. It's the curse of Hifi; it's really addictive and the marketing fools people.
I am now going to be making future videos that compare popular speakers to lesser-known but fantastic alternatives. There is a video coming up about a great style/hifi speaker that does everything in one (including subwoofers). That would be another great alternative to this Kef or Sonos products!
Don’t listen to the negative comments my man. Only the positive. Embrace the love from all of us and ignore the rest. ❤️ Great channel thanks 🙏🏽
i appreciate this greatly. thanks for the support
So a review while you haven't had or heard neither of them? What?
read the title description
Thanks well done👍
My pleasure :d
Enjoyed your video very informative. Don't even respond to the haters, waste of time. I have the SVS SB3000 in gloss. Size/weight is not huge, beautiful finish, handles both movies and music equally well, incredible App, reasonable price. I couldn't be happier!
Thanks for watching (and for the feedback). I agree, the SB3000 is the perfect all-round sub at the moment. I've made 2 or 3 videos about it! It's just a shame SVS recently increased their prices by about 20% !!!
Well done, I like this video and your attitude, hifi industry is full of lies. THX.
Thanks alot for the feedback :D
Good explanation, thank you. Yes, lots of people expect a speaker review to be based on hearing it, but then you’re just relying on the reviewer’s subjective opinion.
Exactly! And you're also relying on the reviewer's ears working correctly..and you're relying on their room having similar acoustic properties to yours!
There are just too many variables to consider..so the only thing we can really be sure of are the black and white specifications..with subwoofers I believe the specs matter alot (more so than normal loudspeakers anyway)
spare change reviewed thr KF92. and he was baffled with the power out these subs.
But as you said. Do a home test to be sure. you can always send the subs back!
Cheers!
Yeah i agree it's going to be a powerful sub, but at the same time it can't outrun physics. Also being baffled by the power of a subwoofer is a very subjective thing. Something that baffles me might not baffle you to the same degree.
Hence yes..try at home! Best thing, I agree :)
One other point on the Kef's that I think many people miss. Kef has done a hat trick in my opinion with integration that is scalable even if the spec sheets on an individual line item of an individual components is not impressive as other brands.
We are running two set ups 1) running LS50 wireless II with the twin Kef 12b's in stereo and 2) is LS50 wireless II with a single KC62. I'll probably try the KF92 next to replace the twin 12b's.
The point here is when you look at the big picture, KEF has developed:
1) A great speaker in the LS50's series...
2) .. and matched it with a clean reliable app (Tidal and Spotify embedded into that app)
3) ... and you have selection of subwoofers at different prices points, all of which you can run mono, or in pairs/stereo if you want to spend the money.
4) ... it is scalable, you can set it all up as your budget permits you to add components, Using the app remotely, including things like setting the sub gains, high and low pass filters, plus another dozen settings.
The value here is not in this spec vs that spec, it's that it all comes together as one and does so easily. It is all stable and stone cold reliable on connectivity. E.g. It does 10 things really well 100% of the time0 instead of 100 things 10% of the time.
i agree once you're in the ecosystem things are easy - but if you're serious about audio and getting good value for money you'll go that bit further to find precisely what it is you want for you space.
The reason I don't always recommend these subwoofers to people is because I know (from my comments) that people are really looking for a subwoofer that plays movies aswell as music. Most people who want big bass for music only just end up buying floorstanders and forget the subwoofer altogether: I guess because there's no integration work to do and often the bass sounds better as you're getting it in stereo.
So from my persepctive, saying the KC62 is the perfect all-round 'do-it-all' sub is not accurate - at least not from my view.
If you want a nice subwoofer that does a good job at low volumes, something you don't want to break your back over and you want it to blend into the furniture etc - then the kc62 is a good choice. But it's £1400...that's £400 more than a set of LS50 Metas.
Just doesn't make sense to me. The margins have got to be huge on that unit.
@@propercushty Agreed on all counts. The number one goal of the kc62 was to shrink the size as much as possible for esthetic reasons while keeping the bass capability "acceptable". Very impressive technology, but similar to Sunfire and Velodyne's approach from years ago. If somebody lives in a single family home with a movie room, they should never buy something tiny like this, but for us condo dwellers it's awesome. I have an original Velo DD-12 that I love, and before that had an HGS-12. Similar concept as the KEF....biggest sound possible from smallest box possible. KEF has merely taken things a step forward with the magnet-within-magnet principle. If the KEF scales up the technology with 8-10" drivers and a slightly larger box, they'll probably broaden their buyer base significantly if they can keep the price reasonable. Personally, I don't think the $1500 price is particularly reasonable when I could buy two SVS Micro 3000s for the same price. Then again, people paid through the nose for the Velodynes.
@@ayokay123 thanks for the informative comment!
...keep on going mate; Regardless of what opinions 'are' etc, all you're doing is as you explain... just ignore any negative comments :-)
Thank you mate. That means alot - especially as feeling a bit crap today! haha
Cheers again
u are right but how does it sound in quality vs B&W or 92
sorry, don't quite understand the question? Do you mean how is the sound quality of the XTZ vs ?
Good video! You could dissect the Airmotiv SE12 Flex sub for your fans, friend!
Hello mate! Thanks for the praise and for the suggestion. I have written it down :)
I have also mentioned your comment in my latest subscriber update video which you can view here!
ruclips.net/video/12-kRVDuXnw/видео.html
Good explanation of the physics involved in opposing drive units. My KEF Reference Three Fours also have force-cancelling bass. Designed in the late '90's, so not new. Although I get bass -6dB to 40Hz with the KEF References, I'd like more powerful deep bass.
What you haven't mentioned is the relationship between room size and the longest reproducible sound wavelength in a room which is related to the longest dimension of the room.
If the room has sides L, W, H and the longest is L, then the fundamental standing wave reproducible will be f = c / (2·L) where c is the speed of sound (330 m/s). So if you have a room 10m long, f = 330/(2 x 10) = 16.5 Hz. If your room is 5m long (16 ft), then f=330/(2x5) f = 33Hz. The smaller the room, the more it is impossible to get real low bass. Remember this when buying your next house - open plan styles offer longer wavelengths! :-)
You make the point, correctly, that smaller drive units will tend not to produce the sound pressure levels ('loudness' or 'volume') that larger drive units can. And whereas I think KEF has done an amazing job with these loudspeakers (and they have a lot of experience doing it very well) they can probably not reach the performance of a good 12" driver with a 6.5" one. But it's not just the driver diameter at play - excursion is well catered to in the KC62 with their proprietary extreme throw technology. So it's not as black and white as it may seem at first. The best advice is to listen to them yourself if possible under realistic conditions and see which you like most. "Impressive" is not always best - it may be tiring in the long run. "Natural" should be least tiring for the long run.
All the best, Rob in Switzerland.
Hi Rob yes that's a very good point about low frequencies being limited by room size due to wavelengths. In my room sub-bass starts in the 30-35hz range.
I think the KC62 is definitely a design achievement but in no way I feel this should be employed for both music/movies for a serious listener.
It's rather like buying a baby grand piano and claiming it better than a 9 foot concert grand at producing bass.
You can find many very high quality 5 -6 foot baby grand pianos, and some of them produce better bass versus other pianos of the same size. But it will always be a baby grand and suffer the same drawbacks!
By the way, isn't the speed of sound 343m/s or was I taught incorrectly at school?
Best to you,
- MDT
This is is misconception, how would one hear bass with in-ear headphones?
@@daveschoenmaeckers7336 Through direct coupling (air pressure) to your eardrum. When I say reproducible in this context I am referring to the ability to create sound waves that are not directly coupled to your eardrums.
@@propercushty define a serious listener. I consider myself to be one. And I love those small subs for listening to music. I don't care if they play down to 11Hz, I'll high cut them somewhere in the 30s anyways to avoid nasty room modes and low rumble in recordings.
@@RobWhittlestone I don't get it Rob. What you're saying is that those ranges are only felt but not heard? I have no idea what is the lowest frequency that I can hear but considering your equation seems unlikely that something that is at 3 cm ( headphones) or at 0.1 cm (ciem) could produce in the space the lower frequencies.
I think your equation is missing something, because the numbers are completely unrealistic for the smaller sizes.
I don't know if this equation only applies to a range of frequency or if you most consider the size of the producing source of sound waves.
Because for headphones and CIEM's your equation don't adjust at all with reality. The numbers are to high.
People don't throw money at audio and expect magic to happen!? They watch millions of reviews first 🤖👍
Oh yes, I forgot to mention this in the video - the precursor to spending too much money on audio is the initial brainwashing by online reviews lol 😁
You make a good point about manufacturers who rely on an uneducated consumer who have wishful expectations i.e. fantastic bass from a small enclosure. You cannot cheat the laws of physics. If you want truly deep extension and THX-type reference volume with low distortion, in a mid-larger room you are going need to a.) big box, with b.) big driver(s) with c.) big magnet(s) and lots of current to move the large mass. I had all kinds of subs but until I got the VMPS Larger with 1 x 18” and 1 x 15” active and 1 x 18 passive radiators driven by a Crown K2 amp rated at 800w x 2 into 4 ohms, I realized I was just farting around.
That said there are interesting work-arounds and compromises. I’d try out a KC62 for my office.
hello mate and thanks for you input on this topic!
Yes I totally agree with you. To produce proper sub-bass you need all of those things which a small subwoofer can't really produce.
I am sure the KC62 is a decent-enough subwoofer with music, but their advertising suggested it was a pro with movies which got me like 😕
I'll be doing a test of the SVS 3000 Micro and KC62 in office environment vs living room environment in the next few weeks!
Imho small subs will be bought by guys like me, who mainly want more bass extension for small bookshelf speakers that don't occupy too much space and look nice. The KC62 generally works better with music than those super low reaching, huge subs that can really play down to 11Hz ;) This is especially true in smaller rooms.
Im just about to buy a new sub. Im looking at SVS sb 2000pro, micrp 3000 and the Arendal 1961 1s. Leaning towards the Arendal. Any suggestions? 5*4m room, Genelec 8030c front. CAnton connect 5.1 pre amp.
Best Johnny, Stockholm Seden
Hello Johnny mate. Hope you doing alright.
Arendal make some really, really cool subwoofers and their attention to detail is exemplary.
I'm going to be testing the 3000 Micro quite soon (hopefully within the next couple of weeks alongside the Kef KC62).
My gut says either the 3000 micro or the Arendal for your setup. The room is small-medium size, so I don't think the 3000 micro will be about of its depth. Potentially it will be a better match for your Arendal but it's hard to know for sure without testing. I've heard the Arendal is superior to the SB2000 Pro.
The one benefit with the SVS products is the SVS app - really makes a difference if you want an easy, optimised setup! I can't stress that enough!
@@propercushty Leaning towards that, maybe REL 1205, i have listen to that and it is really good. Integrates easy and very musical sounding. Arendal is quality but no app. Svs 2000 pro, alot of money for an app and even more for white. The Arendal have 60 days try period, thats impressive. Music is main focus for me but a good movie is never wrong, with some heavy bas. It has to be in level with my genelecs. so i dont a cheaper sub will cut it. I have had a lot of cheaper subs. Its no fun, better without i think.
Be yourself and don't pay attention to those immature comments.
They can't accept facts and they might get angry when something they culte is criticized. That's their own problem.
You've done fantastic reviews.
Two Rel T5i vs Two Kef KC62, if it is possible, can you give me your honest recommendation please. I have a Denon AVR-X3600H and Klipsch speakers, two SVS in the ceiling for Atmos.
hello mate sorry for the delayed reply. I actually addressed your question in my most recent subscriber update. You can watch that here.
ruclips.net/video/12-kRVDuXnw/видео.html
If you still need help don't hesitate to come back! I will be very happy to help!
@@propercushty
Thank you for your kind reply and answer. We have our system for both movies and music, and you are right, it is a huge cost with two Kef KC62 compared with two Rel T5i. I was hoping that Rel T5i would not be too bad to have for movies every now and then, and good for music. I need to take a closer look at the SvS sub that you mentioned.
@@TreenighetMaranata was a pleasure as always.
I should be reviewing the SVS Micro over the next couple of weeks so you should get a definitive answer then 👍
I have it and it is really amazing. The bass is huge. High price, but it does not matter for the look and sound. Maybe if you need a subwoofer for a larger room this won’t be enough or maybe go for two of these.
Fair enough as long as you like it mate I wish you all the best!
Verry good video.
I went the DIY route a few years ago and have since learned a lot about the physics of loudspeaker design. In short, there is no magic to overcome physics. There is no replacement for displacement for subwoofers.
I like small subwoofers, but the claims in specs are oftentimes so absurd. Why don't they just give honest an real data for the nerds? An average customer won't mind looking at spl compression diagrams and buy a sub based on looks or size. But for those who want to make an informed purchase decision, there is no way other than waiting for audioholics or others to review a product.
That's why I DIY. But it takes more effort of course
I bet you that the KEF sounds pretty darn good. It also looks great. There sort of is a magic bullet and it is called DSP.
Do you use a MiniDSP? I was curious, does that gear have to stay connected all the time?
The real problem with the KC62 is that it turns off at low volumes. It's a very annoying problem. We don't always feel like listening at very high volumes and, on the other hand, in certain situations we can't. Many people complain about this problem, but KEF doesn't seem to be able to solve this serious problem. I have already sent the KC62 self to my seller, who has already contacted KEF, but so far, after more than 2 months nothing. I connected KC62 with my LS50W II, in manual or LFE mode, but the problem persists, What should be a good set is compromised by the KC62 problem. Unacceptable!
Thank you for your time and effort. I consider loud from 85db to 90db in my living space so using something like the KF92 would do me just fine and given how compact they are having two units is definitely the way to go.
I think for music that should be fine yes.
Thanks for the comment!
I listen usually 80-90db peaks as well. Kc62 can do that with ease in small/medium room - 95db flat across frequency in fact..
Nice video, but you should listen to the subwoofer before you discard them. 50sq meter for the kc62 is optimistic I will admit. For 80db it should be fine though. People don't buy it to shake the foundations of their home , size is key for these buyers.
Cheers for the feedback!
The purpose of this video was to address some of the questions I had been receiving from subscribers. Some of my subs are new to the industry truly believing this subwoofer to be better for movies than far larger subs (due to the kc62 spec sheet).
You'd be surprised but I get these questions all the time simply because people believe the marketing.
I did end up demoing the kc62 by the way, along with the svs 3000 micro :)
@@propercushty I got the REL t5x instead of the micro, but I didn't push them over 80db in my test (neighbors). Love the REL! For 800€, it underpins the ls50m very well. It's just so musical, don't ever want to turn it off!
@@propercushty but you are right, most people don't do their research before they buy or ask question, nor do they have the understanding.
I love my Sonos gen 3 sub. It just disappears; base hits you from the front speakers. Don't forget that the driver surface area is smaller on your sub, by about 10% compared to the big KEF regardless of cabinet size. But this tells us nothing about the fidelity of the sound. Something tells me that almost an exponential amount of power is needed to move a much larger speaker. This gives the 2 cone system an advantage, done right.
You are right. You just won't get that big boom from a small 62 but fidelity- oh yeah. I never liked the Sonos. I think it's just me- everyone else seems to.
Between kef 8b reference against kef kc92 which one is sounds better or are they the same. they both have the same 9 inch drive?
I would definitely think the 8b reference is way overpriced. Of the two I'd prefer the kc92
Dude, some ppl are just pricks, don't worry about the negative comments. Just keep going.
cheers mate (really, thanks alot)..i try with the negative comments, because believe it or not, sometimes i manage to turn people around and they get the point i am trying to make.
But I'm going to be paying less attention to these comments soon, because I think the majority just don't want to hear anything negative on RUclips, and would prefer to keep their heads buried in the sand lol!
Arguing with people all day doesn't really get to me mentally, but it takes up alot of my time which I could be using for something alot more productive!
Just what the world needs, more opinions with out experience to back them up. Sure, your buyer beware frankness about the Hi Fi industry is well taken, but in fairness to this product - the KC line, to people genuinely interested in it, and to KEF with their extraordinary technology behind it, superlative manufacturing and innovation chops, you should listen to these subs first, and base any comments on empirical experience and evidence, not your opinions. Anyone researching this deserves at least that much. This vid had no value, in fact worse, it t has negative value..
oooo your comment hurt me so much it gave me internal bleeding...😵💀
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Nice attempt and honest opinion.
It would hav e been more substantive to rent both subs and test in your room with equipment thereby presenting irrefutable facts/ data with your opinion.
Either way, nice work.
thanks - would be nice to rent these, but nowhere I know offers this service!
@@propercushty - agreeed there, partner....
Two 9 inch woofers have 12% more area than one 12 inch woofer so can move more air. A closed box design rolls off more gradually than a ported box and doesn't have port turbulence that causes distortion. So the KC92 wins on design but is inherently more expensive with two drivers.
The KC 62 has less cone area and can't move as much air but is good for lower volume small room requirements.
I suggest listening to them before criticising, you might be surprised.
Thanks Gordon. I do understand the principles of pi*r^2 lol. You're forgetting that the XTZ is a bass reflex design and so cone area comparison doesn't really apply when you have a Heimholtz resonator in one of the boxes does it?
And I also understand the difference between bass reflex and acoustic suspensions designs. The port shown with the XTZ subwoofer in the video is tuned to around 20hz I believe (so the roll-off is below 20hz where it doesn't matter).
In the video, I'm not saying the ported model produces bass with less distortion; I am merely saying that the ported model produces closer to the correct level of bass.
My subwoofer is still too quiet in an 18sqm listening room...yet Kef recommend the KC62 to people with 50sqm rooms? Honestly Gordon, does this mathematically make sense to you?
And a 12 inch ported sub will produce much more bass output than 2x 9inch sealed subs. I can prove that if you like. For the money, you could also buy 3 of those XTZ subs for one KF92. The value isn't there for me.
KC62 might good for lower volume, but as a musician I can tell you that most audiophiles haven't a clue about music. Most audiophiles cannot even read sheet music neither do they know the difference between fortissimo, pianissimo, legato, staccato, spiccato .. no musical terminology there..no perfect pitch .. musicians are the people that made the music, yet audiophiles think they're the ones to judge? Most have no idea whatsoever..and the true loudspeaker experts don't even involve themselves in mainstream industry and instead choose to go the DIY route (which often sounds alot better).
One such example is Siegfried Linkwitz, and I'm sure that man knew many times more about music and audio than so many of these fakers who claim to know it all!
My channel is about informing people to use THEIR eyes, ears and brains before rushing out making bad choices. In the video I am clear as crystal when I say that you *should consider* the KC62 or KF92, but perhaps one should be open-minded and try a few other subwoofers for home demo. Wouldn't you agree that is good advice?
This channel is about letting people make their own minds up!
The role of a true subwoofer is to fill in the gaps and provide enough bass extension and bass output to accurately recreate music.
I can tell you as a musician that the the KC62 subwoofer is like an orchestra but 50% of the cello section didn't turn up. That's going to impact the dynamic range of the orchestra, and guess what...it won't sound right. The KF92 isn't so bad (again, I say this in the video), but the price is. I've seen far better value for money, and I'll be revealing these alternative choices in future videos.
Not only that, but when you take into account that for sub 40hz frequencies, you actually need around 10db more for it to sound the same to human ears, then it's easy for me to determine that the KC62 will not be suitable for many people.
In summary to anybody reading this, I play a fair game and I'm not here to sell people speakers they don't need!
@@propercushty Hi thanks for your reply. I agree on the value for money. Note that lowest note of a cello is C2 at 65.4Hz lol, so there's no need for any subwoofer for the full complement of cellists to be present!
@@gordondyer6310 Lol I'm aware of what the lowest note of a cello is thanks! My best friend happens to be a cellist.
I used that example for reference and to paint a picture. Also take into account the lowest note on double bass (also an orchestral instrument) is 41Hz. Lowest note on an organ 8hz or 16hz depending on the length of the pipe. Also don't forget, lowest note on a piano (probably the most popular instrument in the world): 27.5Hz which is equivalent to a lower A.
I do know my music, so thanks for that Gordon lol. The point being made is with reference to dynamics which can easily be 20db above the average. You buy a subwoofer to extend your dynamic range and give you a balanced sounding system (at least, that's what I do).
When you add synthesized music into the music, we push the boundaries of what's possible with acoustic instruments. So with that comparison my side of the argument gets even stronger.
Wouldn't you also agree that the 50sqm living space is a bit optimistic for the KC62? How will it benefit from room gain in that sort of space? I wouldn't exceed 10sqm myself, maybe 15 for that sub.
I'd personally recommend 2x SVS SB1000 subwoofers. Undoubtedly one would get better dynamics, better extension, better room integration, and you'd probably save 400quid to boot! It's not exactly a large subwoofer that, is it?
As long as people make an informed decision, then I am fine with the whole thing. However, from the questions I get daily, I can tell that people are not always well-informed and expect a bit of Kef magic.
I do respect your side of the argument though: but I do think there is alot of bias in the industry towards mainstream brands like Kef and B&W, so consumers have their blindfolds on when they go shopping and get fleeced.
I'm not about that and prefer a fair game.
My videos will always remain factual, and from now on I will make sure to provide alternative choices from lesser-known brands in my videos. I don't want smaller speaker firms to go out of business, simply because they're not great marketeers.
If this sort of thing interests you and you want to save money or try new things, I'd suggest you subscribe!
I have a great new system reveal for my 100th video special. I guarantee most would not have seen nor heard of this speaker!
Take care!
Gordon sir, you can't draw a displacement (vd) value for a sub without knowing the sd and the linear xmax limit. The 12" pictured is vented too and will be capable of displacing almost twice the air that the 12" driver can alone (close to the tuning). You will also find that smaller drivers have more surround and mounting area on their faces than larger coned drivers... making smaller drivers have less usable sd in %scale with that of a large driver. Xx
@@propercushty You really should listen first and make such bold and incisive statements later! There are many points you're not even considering like excursion for example, you could very easily have a 12" Subwoofer producing less SPL than even a single 8 Inch if the 8 inch subwoofer is high excursion while the 12" is just a paper surround! And yet, I'm the one now, ignoring a lot that goes into speaker design and final SPL levels. So yeah, you have good theory! It does make sense, but it isn't the full picture. Just remind yourself it's just a theory! Yes it is small, and yes, it might very well be perfectly suited for a 50sqm room, or maybe not! It depends on the actual product, that you don't really know, and on the person listening, some people really just don't mind havng a low SPL subwoofer, I've personaly met a lot of people like this, and some of my friends say they don't like my audio setup because there's too much Bass! (I'm rocking a typical, ported 8" Subwoofer in a 9sqm room) It really is not enough for me, and that's why I'm looking into alternatives, but some people find it overwhelming... So, 1st, you actually experience the product and then you talk about it! OR, at the very least you should make it clear you're theorizing and might be wrong, instead of just talking like you're the carrier of the truth, while all the other reviewers that actually have the product in hands say otherwise.
Beware I also didn't hear it yet, But I've watched plenty more videos with confliting information to yours and those do come from reputable audio reviewers. You're really the outliar here, so I'm still very much inclined to give this one a go and i'll just return it if it isn't what I was expecting. But really, I might just buy 2 cheaper subs or a second one identical to mine to see how things go. Still thinking about how I will go about tackling my current underwhelming bass peformance, but you're really stressing too much about nothing here.
You are offering advice on products you havent compared. Twice. The comments you posted are not hateful friend, they're feedback on the level of irritation someone feels when they waste time on videos like this. You are not trying to grow an entertainment channel, you're trying to grow an informational channel. You should consider your current viewer, and potential new subscribers time. They are likely researching, and looking for information to inform a purchasing decision. Doubling down on the type of content is a path to an unsuccessful channel.
lol thank you for the valuable information. I've had people subscribe after watching this video, so some people must have enjoyed it.
I must be on to something lol
@Cuckoo Labs The fact that you are here throwing advice speaks volumes! People normally can tell in less than 30 seconds if they want to continue watching or scroll right past. And you watched the whole video? Classic case of self-torture if you ask me.🤓 Guess you go around RUclips throwing “feedback” to all those who pull your irritation levers. 🤓
@@Turtleback8024 he didn't sound irritated, just giving feedback because he cares for his fellow human. I don't see anything wrong with that, but maybe I'm biased and agree that it's pure stupidity to compare manufacturer specs. The argument that some people subscribed means nothing. There's a large number of people with IQ under 100 so if these videos are intended to cater to that audience, then I guess it's hitting its goals.
I have a B&W PV1D sub. Sounds absolutely amazing with superb quality bass. One thing I have found is that most small subwoofers sound great in a corner, with the corner reinforcement output, their total output is pretty much doubled. Bigger subwoofers have a tendency to sound boomy in a corner.
Thanks for the info!
corner load reinforces especially lower notes/frequencies. So thats why smaller subs sound ok (they do not have much output in lower frequencies) and bigger subs sound worse (because they have the low output). In either case you need some kind of DSP to solve room gain issues with sub frequencies. Minidsp is all you need up to 4 subs. Otherwise you need luck for the best placement vs listening position.
@@pulDag I agree with everything you said 👍
at 10th minute, you say, that in your 18m2 room you would need a second sub. Have you tried testing the this sub in 8m2 room, 12, 16, 20, 24m2 ? tip: in 8m2 room it won't sound better, in 20m2 it will, that's not how the sound works; don't compare the size of the woofer to the room
reviewing subs or anything else ... with never measuring, testing or even have seen/heard them is ridiculous. 😂 thats why you get attacked by people.
my opinion is that you shouldn't be reviewing anything you don't know.
i'm glad you summed that up for everyone in 3 sentences
Keep it up, beware of the halfwise they are everywhere.
Thanks mate! Comments like this that keep me going :D
Hi pal. Unfortunately, the hifi industry today is a mugs game,
Hey man, thanks a lot for your information. Could you help me maybe? I got the original KEF LS50 Wireless and want to add a sub. I was originally thinking about a REL T7i or T9i, mainly because I've heard they are good for music and a good combo with the LS50W's. I don't care about movies/games, only music is all that matters. My room is small to medium sized I guess. Around 5 by 8 meters, but it is kind of oddly shaped. This also makes placement of the sub hard as in that I don't have a lot of options and can't place it in a corner next to one of the speakers. Than I saw the KC62 and saw some good reviews (not just the old guy, also this other guy who does have the actual subwoofer). I figured the small size and room settings on the KC62 could really help me with placement. But than I saw you videos wich made me really doubtful. Any advice?
Hello mate, of course I am very happy to help you :D
5x8m wouldn't be classed as a small or medium room by THX standards mate lol. That would definitely be classed as a large room. There is also your ceiling height to consider as we need to consider room volume to figure out if the sound pressure will be enough.
Have you done a sub crawl before in your room? You may have to do it and find out exactly where is best.
In truth, the KC62 will perform similar to a 9 inch subwoofer. So, the T9i is probably be the best match, and it may outperform the KC62 in some areas. It's also £400 less from what I can see.
My issue with the KC62 is the value really. I just think it's way overpriced just because it saves people a little bit of space.
I understand when people want a subwoofer for music rather than movies, but some people also pretend like just because they're listening to music, it's like audio below 40hz doesn't exist? If you take a pair of headphones, and EQ out all the frequencies below 30 or 40hz, the audio will sound remarkably different in many cases.
My objective when buying subwoofers is to buy a distortion free, clean, clear sound whilst not compromising on loudness and bass extension.
I would much rather buy something like the SVS SB2000 Pro which will likely perform much better, and you'll also save a tonne of money. In my optimal setup, I would also have 2 subwoofers rather than 1, to ensure that bass is even in the room (your room is likely to have nodes which distort the sound you hear..2 subwoofers helps balance things out)
I hope this helps mate, but if you have any more questions just let me know!
@@propercushty Hey man, thanks a lot for the extensive reply, I really appreciatie it.
I get what you are saying about the audio below 40hz and that it still matters with music, but both the KEF and the REL do go below that right, or am I missing something?
I also get what you are saying about the value, but if a smaller sub would truly perform like a bigger one I would be willing to pay a few 100 extra for it, simply because placement is a real issue for me. I really only have a few spots that I would be able to place the subwoofer, and it being a small one would help quite a bit. Also the room size might sound big, but my speakers are pointing across the small side, so the main listening position is only like 4 meters from the speakers.
Thanks for the tip on the SVS sub.
I looked at the SVS SB 2000 pro and als the SB 3000. They seem like good options, but also big. On the other hand: Maybe all the options in the app for the SVS sub will make placement at a less than ideal spot work better?
@@propercushty
Also the ceiling is pretty high, 5 meters at th highest point, but I have sloping walls, so tit's not that high everywhere. Also 2 subs is not an option for now, because of the same issues with not having that much room for placement. So maybe someday after I move to a different home, but not for now sadly.
Never done a sub crawler, as this will be my first sub, but I understand the process of it. I Just need to have sub to be able to do it.
@@Ycaro Hi mate - pleasure to reply to you.
All subs will perform below 40hz - it really depends how much authority is there with those lower notes. That KEF will probably perform similar to a 9 inch sub (so, yes it does perform like a slightly larger sub). It just won't be able to beat a 12 inch sealed sub from the likes of SVS. It's important because if the track you listen to has any dynamics (like troughs and peaks), then a stronger sub will make those dynamics shine through more cleanly and with more expression. The small sub is really for people who want a decent sound but want the system to be simple and 'cute' per se. Be wary of anybody saying this is a true audiophile sub (because it's not lol). When you consider the price, it truly is not worth it if you want best bang for buck.
The other thing to consider is we are talking about 2x 6.5 inch drivers which are trying to sound bigger than what they are. That sub will be more prone to distortion in the lower end especially, as each driver is likely working its butt off (to put it in laymans terms).
It doesn't matter about where your speakers are pointing really - bass frequencies are omni-directional, meaning the room's volume is the main concern. You don't need to have the subs pointing at you - actually, many people have their subs near behind the sofa to the side.
The SVS Pro subs like the 2000 (and now the 1000 which just got announced) will perform better I think, and they're only a tad bigger. I think the 12 inch sealed boxes are very compact actually. It's essentially a 13 inch cube but then you get the performance you're looking for (especially for the room volume).
The benefit with the SVS subs is they have the app where you can set specific parametric EQ. That is one of the most important things about getting your bass sounding right - you have to cancel out the peaks and nulls and the bass will integrate much more cleanly with the speakers.
My feeling is go with the SVS if you want a product that the market and the audiophile community already appreciates; but if you want style and want the sub to be compact then give the KC62 a try. Also, another company which does really nice compact subs is Sunfire.
Hope this helps!
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The way I look at this is to consider the following:
Have you ever heard a small dog with a deep bark.
Can a toy poodle bark as deep as a mastif?
To produce deep bass you need to move lots of air - this is an undeniable fact.
These subwoofers with claims of 11Hz extension with 6.5" drivers is just marketing bs gone berserk.
That's a perfect analogy :D
I’ve heard an owl with a deep hoot considering its size.
You can get deep bass out of small drivers, especially with room gain. Sure, you will run out of excursion at those lower frequencies when you push it, but at casual levels, the dsp will get you to 20Hz. The drivers will also move at 11Hz but people don’t “hear” those frequencies until they’re very loud.
A larger driver may couple to the air better and create more physical sensation.
It's sad to see that the people who try to provide messages to audiences with HONESTY & GENUINENESS are the ones who get the most criticism and hate. Ignore the haters my friend, as people like you are who we need. You'd be surprised how much influence you can bring if you keep pushing forward regardless of the opposition. Your messages will continue to grow, as will your following. I hope one day your popularity grows so immensely as to even influence consumers of HiFi to not throw their money at marketing tactics and to make major companies change their ways.
And to all the haters and trolls, feel free to spend $1500 on something that my $500 will humiliate the sh*t out of 🤣,
idiots..
Thank you mate. I saw this message and knew I had to respond as quickly as possible! Messages like this is what keeps me going and for that I am forever grateful :)
All I am trying to do is give people the tools they need so they can take back their independence over their spending choices. Yet they decide to call me stupid..fine.
They don't even realise that these sponsored reviewers are more like salesmen working for the speaker companies. Every time I watch or read a speaker review, there is a new tale to tell.
Something has to change because this is a corrupt system and I won't sit on my arse anymore, because I've wasted thousands... and I know so many other people have done the same.
In my next video, I'm going to be proving to these people using Maths and Physics that what I am saying is right.
I bet you they still don't care, but I have to at least try :D
@@propercushty
Thank YOU for the prompt reply! It's nice to see a comment of mine acknowledged so greatly! I'm very new to HiFi and caught the bug once I bought my gf a set of KEF LSX speakers. Amazing little things! This is so anyone who reads this knows I'm not bias against KEFs. Heck, I want speakers for myself and am 99% sure I will get the LS50 wireless 2s! However, I will NOT pay $2500, because I know KEF all too well lol they WILL go on sale!
The reason why I want them so bad is because it's VERY hard to find active bookshelf speakers with all the goodies built in. It's the convenience that gets me! Now, I'm also considering subs because I find out that any pair of bookshelf speakers will GREATLY benefit from a sub! Then, I find out TWO subs are ideal! 🤣 It never ends!
Long story short, I considered the KC62 if I got the ls50s, but then thought no way can I afford two of these lmao, and no way can they deliver upon the specs stated on their site.
Sorry for the extremely long response, but I just ended up looking up as much as I can about subs and came across your videos which I GREATLY value! You explain things very well and I applaud your honesty. I applaud anyone who doesn't sell their opinions for money! The integrity is genuine!
Hopefully you get a chance to hear Rythmik L12s. I've never heard them but I am highly considering those as my two subs. They seem amazing for the money.
@@ishinish Hello again!
I had to reply to your comment out of respect, Ashish. I tell you why..because I realise that most people don't leave comments because they simply don't have the time. But you took the time out of your day to show your support for me and my channel. If I saw your message and didn't reply to it, what kind of person would that make me?!
So much respect to you my friend. If you're not subscribed yet, I hope you do so we can continue our conversation in future videos.
I have no problem with KEF as speaker engineers. But as marketeers, I have a real problem with some of the products they've launched in terms of the marketing, and the price they expect. They launched the LS50 between £800 and £1000 I believe, and now they're £600 or less.
When my cousin wanted to buy a pair of LS50 a couple of years ago, they wouldn't even give him £1 discount on that model.
So it shows you what those speakers were really worth all along doesn't it?
I like companies that do 1 fair price if possible. I understand there are demand/supply considerations to take account of, but if they were vocal that 'our prices are fixed forever' then I think more people would have the confidence to buy whenever they wanted.
As a speaker company, KEF is excellent: one of the greats in my opinion. If you look at the measured performance of KEF drivers, they always seem to do very well.
Of course there are other driver companies like SEAS, Accuton and Scanspeak that make world class drivers too, and they supply these to many speaker companies.
You're right..the road never ends in Hifi. But there is a budget you can set for yourself which will give you optimal results. Past that point, it is downhill (law of diminishing returns).
I think the KC62 is a nice-looking subwoofer (and I bet it's great for the size), but it's overpriced. 2 subwoofers will be better than 1 (99% of the time). If I took the bass driver out of one of your speakers, it wouldn't sound great would it lol? So dual subs are essential for me!
If your budget is 1400 or 1500 for a subwoofer, I'd consider getting 2 subwoofers for 700 or 800. It will give you much, much better performance. Just make sure you put effort into how you set them up (like a sub crawl for example).
A really nice little sub (if you're after a micro sub) is by the company Devialet (the designs look cool). I have heard really good things and the price is fairer from what I've also seen out there.
Another great company that specialises in small subs is Sunfire..they are probably one the best companies to do compact enclosures.
Other options: REL T7i and T9i. SVS SB1000 or SB2000 Pro (stretch to SB2000 if you can if your room is medium-large size).
One of my favourite companies at the moment is a subwoofer company called Arendal. They also sell great speakers. I believe they are direct-to-manufacturer, so you get a better deal.
One subwoofer you could try is the 1961 1S for 799 euros. It will kick the KC62's ass for half the price lol!
I'm currently looking to do my 'final subwoofer upgrade' (yeah right) and am looking at the 1723 2S subwoofers. It will cost a bomb, but at least it might be worth it.
To put the value into perspective:
1723 2S subwoofer - 1999 euros
For this price you get:
2x 14 inch drivers (force cancelling)
1200W Class D amplification
HDF cabinet construction
And there's even an LCD screen on the subwoofer for adjustment :D
Compare this with the KEF KF92 - 2200+ euros
2x 9 inch drivers
1000W Class D amplification
MDF cabinet (I believe?)
You see what I mean? The value just isn't there. So much more bass output for less money?
And with Arendal you get a 60 day buy and try guarantee. If you don't like it, send it back no problem...wicked.
And the Arendal subwoofers look gorgeous...
I think maybe I might buy them soon and demo on the channel :|
Rhythmik is also a great brand of subs. Hard to get them to the UK where I'm from though. I believe the key USP of Rhythmik subs is the fact they use servo technology. To put that technology into subs is the real deal: not a marketing gimmick, but it just costs more which I think is why other companies don't do it because it raises the price..either that or Rhythmik have some sort of patent I'm not aware of!
Sorry if this message was too long haha
@@propercushty, no need to apologize! I find your replies very meaningful and informative! I'm honored to have gotten a well thought out reply. Thank you for the extremely informative response! I got some research to do for sure and can't wait to look into the suggestions you've given me. My budget is a hair over 1k for two subs. I know it's tight, but I think I can find something decent with that. It's almost exclusively gonna be for music 🎶
EDIT: Holy smokes, those aArendal subs are absolutely beautiful but a little out of my range haha. Thank you for the suggestions though!
@@ishinish No worries about the Arendal suggestion mate!
If your budget is a hair over 1k for 2 subs, then the best sub for the job is the SVS SB1000 in my humble opinion! You'll find it hard to get better than that! My cousin (also an audiophile) has that sub and he loves it. He finds it a little out of its depth in movies (to be expected at the price, and he is also very hard to please), but he only has one SB1000! A second sub would definitely save the day.
And for music he says it's very tight and and the woofer doesn't hang around like a slob. It is the real deal I think!
Hope this helps :D
Most people overlook three very important factors- quality, engineering and power. KEF has quality and 1000 watts per 6.5 sub. The KEF is like a Ferrari compared to old american muscle cars.
First time viewer and now a subscriber. Keep using real world math/physics to prove your point. I do like KEF products, but there is no way that KC62 even with 2 seperate units can pressurize a large room at reference levels. Here in the Colonies the KC62 sells for $1,499 USD. I think I did better purchasing 2 SVS SB3000 for just slightly less than $2,000 USD and they pressurize the crap out of my room. Keep doing what you do and ignore the haters.
Hello Troy and welcome to the channel! Thanks alot for your positive feedback - it helps me stay focused big time!
Yes, I will continue to remain objective as I possibly can, because, for some reason, this industry continues to insist on selling people snake oil from time to time. No doubt, the KC62 is a decent subwoofer, but for the price? No!!
$1499 - you guys are lucky! In the UK it is £1400. That's about 2 grand for you guys.
Exactly the point I'm trying to make...2x SB3000 vs 2x KC62? I'll take the first option and save the $1000 for a trip to a Hawaii thanks
Thanks again and take care - Looking forward to future discussions pal!
Hello, quite frankly, I don't see nothing wrong with this video.
I'm a responsible audio enthusiasts for 28 years, and it looks and sounds like manufacturers are trying to cheat the laws of physics here.
People are butt hurt about you being very honest and stating facts, when speaking about miro subwoofers from KEF.
KEF subwoofers are ment for bedrooms, miro apartments, but not for larger room's dimensions.
Keep in mind, that any miro subwoofers uses DSP to brings up the lower octaves up at "reasonable" levels. Without it when you ask it to play 40hz or below, it will significantly struggle.
Do people really think using a dual 6.5 or dual 9 inch woofers are going to pressurized your listing space, with reference volumes?
It's combined cone area or sd doesn't measured up to your larger listing rooms conditions.
People really needs to accept facts, and be practical about audio gear especially towards any speakers, such as, subwoofers.
People needs to understand there is a reason why subwoofers are naturally large to begin with...
If people wants to buy a 1,499 us dollars on KC62, 1,899 us dollars on KC92, then go right ahead, but don't come here whinning about your dissatisfaction with your purchase.
Bass is not as simple as some think..The same sub in different rooms will obviously also sound different.Subs should be paired with highs and mids, more importantly what type of music you play will determine a more suitable sub, some 8 inch subs might sound much better, quicker than a 10 or 12, bottom line is that people need to choose what works for them...The only thing I can say is too much bass sounds terrible.....cheers
Yes I agree. The issue that many people face is they're trying to find a one-sub-fits all...and that's hard.
All I am trying to say in this video is that I don't the the KC62 is that one-sub-fits all solution.
People tend to want a subwoofer to reproduce movies and music - often with equal weight placed on both.
Also what I think is important is speaker pairing.
A very good review, although I could do without those silly edited in clips.
lol fair enough!
So let me get this straight, you want to give advice on these subwoofers but haven't even heard them ? Why don't you start doing road tests on cars, I mean you wouldn't have to actually drive them or anything. By the way, I think you'd be well off to deepen your knowledge quite a bit before you attempt to pass on to other folks. I'm not trying to be hurtful here but there is a time to speak and a time to listen. Cheers
All theory, no real-world evidence
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The problem is that while I think everyone appreciates what you're trying to do sometimes you're just wrong. Clearly people can sense below 20hz. The world is magically based on 20, 20 20 vision isn't actually perfect and 20 - 20 sound isn't actually the full bandwidth. We just really like using 20 as a tough standard in fact there was a time back in the 1800s and even early 1900s when they didn't understand acceleration and believed your mind would sieze once it reaches a certain mph, guess what the number they decided was? 20mph.
There's so many studies into infrasonics to the point where it something people have straight up weaponise it just like ultrasonics are used to beam sound into people's heads.
We can definitely sense sound under 20hz and we can definitely sense sound over 20khz too. The infrasonics being added and removed is easy to tell directly with sound above 20k however you can even tell through a brain scan where it triggers more alpha waves immediately (this doesn't work with headphones due to how the effect works as a canvass upon which all else plays off of in the air)
Any subwoofer can play below 11hz mate.
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My goodness. Fools are not only readily separated from their money, but also lack certain necessary neural circuits.
My sympathies.
Note also that some individuals might feel entitled to slander anyone who does not totally endorse their ill conceived notions. Or for that matter, that they might
experience an unresistible urge to demonstrate their neural deficiencies. May God have mercy on their itsy, bitsy souls.
try not to pay attention to them. It only encourages further ranting and misbehavior.
Better that you offer your sympathies that they were malnourished during vital periods of myelinization, leaving them regrettably mentally stunted .
Thank you for your support Mike
please actually own the products before you preach about them.
you'll see soon enough
really like yours videos (I buy QAcoustiic concept 20 5.1 after watch your video). Yes for speak about value/measure CEA 2010 and variants ...we should go to audioholic or erin's audio corner or Audio Science Review. Many time the subs review is for best sub only available from USA market or available by buying on usa website ( HSU , rythmik, monoprice RSL..) .. I need your advice : I search for 30 m*m room a small/medium sub cabinet ( see list in the end ) sealed SQ sub ( with one or or opposite dual speaker) but with high level input and rca LFE because my AVR don't support 2.1 stereo but only 2.0. I listen at 70 SPL A without sub. I make a list of different sub size and i think i ll go to one JL audio d110 that could go to 20Hz. I don't listen at 100 SPL but 60 type A and i think most of CEA 2010 test on sub should have a dB value at 20 Hz near 60 without high distorsion. What ll be your choice even in this video you say serious/good sub begin with 12 inch (305mm) !! Thank's
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