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The Zonai stuff was so well argued and documented by the community it didn't even surprise me when it showed up in the demo. It was like "yeah of course the Zonai are in this, how would they not be"?
I mean you never know the Twili MIGHT come back at some point during Tears of the Kingdom's storyline given how little we've _seen_ of the game to argue for Midna's descendants showing up somewhere. Unlikely for sure but the odds are still there for a Twili appereance.
@@javiervasquez625 TBH I don't see it. It'd make Midna's sacrifice, or choice, for light and twilight to be separated, for naught. Things have to end to have stakes. If they come back, we can scratch TP's heartrending ending, might as well not have happened.
@@UltimateTobi I agree which is why i mentioned the odds as been statistically low for such a big plot point as the shattering of the Mirror of Twilight to be undone during the course of the story. One thing which keeps this scenario from been totally impossible is this: Tears of the Kingdom might be the _end_ of the "Ganon Saga". Seeing as Nintendo is always free to reboot the franchise by ending Ganondorf for good that gives them every reason to bring back past events and characters to the narrative as a big wrap up that will make players look back at the series's history and fill them with nostalgia and love for the past games as they all played a part in Link's journey up until Tears of the Kingdom and the end of Demise's Curse. With such high stakes as the destruction of Hyrule at Ganondorf's hands the stage is set for a big epic confrontation which could easily bring forth all the major factions of the franchise together so that the current storyline may be given a proper conclusion to it's narrative.
@@UltimateTobi Why would the Twili coming back thousands and thousands of years after the events of Twilight Princess make her choice null and void? Ganon broke free of his imprisonment by Zelda in Ocarina of time, which caused the events of Wind Waker, making Link and Zelda's sacrifices null and void. Simply using your own logic here. If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if the Zonai and the Twili people are one and the samel.
@@SiphonRayzar The Mirror of Twilight was the only link, which can only be shattered by the true ruler of the twilight realm. And Midna did it. The Sacred Realm into which Ganondorf was banned has apparently multiple entries, none of which had been permanently destroyed. Your comparison doesn't hold.
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For playable Zelda, I think she’s actually going to be the equivalent of this game’s shrines. Those green spirals are how you trigger her content spelunking underground. And I think there’ll be fewer caves than shrines, but a bit bigger or more complex. And there won’t be any combat shrines/caves, just puzzles.
Something to keep in mind about the zonai and totk is that 99% of people dont know what they are and they all played and loved botw. So it's really cool to see them expand on a little intentional mystery and hidden part of botw
It was the only logical leap for Nintendo considering how non mysterious the Sheikah became with their reintroduction into the Zelda world forcing them to bring in another new magic race with which to create mystery with.
45:00 i think ultrahand will be able to manipulate metal blocks as well, i think the sole reason they still include metal objects in the game is due to electricity still being a factor. thunderstorms, electric puzzles, thunder elemental weapons- i doubt they wanted to rid the game of how these things interact with metal material
In all honesty he was vindicated the moment the first teaser trailer came out and revealed a bunch of Zonai ruins connected to Ganondorf's imprisonment.
Couple of theories/predictions: - The monuments with the Zonai swirl are the new shrines, but they won't teleport you to a closed place. Rather you'll have to solve a puzzle/task in the nearby area. - There will be a dungeon for each tear. - Each dungeon will be like Eventide Island. You'll lose all of your gear and will have to build your way to get to the dungeon boss and beat them (I'll be honest, this is more of a hope than a prediction)
Listening to this after the episode 3 weeks ago (December 2023) is so unbelievably brutal. You keep hearing these hopes knowing they just get ruthlessly dashed.
When it comes to underwater, I think it will be in, but more like WW where the water is a ceiling to a dry area. Also, I believe the point of the coordinates on the map is so that you know where you are in relation to the surface while underground
The atmosphere of this podcast was very nice. The conversation was very cohesive and it seemed like everyone was comfortable speaking up around one another.
Asking which Zelda game is your favorite, to me, is like asking which is your favorite Lord of the Rings movie. They're all part of the same thing. I like the Wind Waker artstyle a lot, but I'm glad that Twilight Princess looks the way it does too. Some of the games might have stronger or weaker aspects than the others, but it would be difficult to rank them because they offer such a variety of experiences. And it seems like many of them capture that "Zelda-style" adventure pretty darn well. Also, which is your favorite, and which would you most likely replay, are two different questions, in my opinion.
I get you, but that comparison to lord of the rings just reminds me more of xenoblades story than anything. Zelda isnt AS connected because only a few character's are reoccurring.
I always felt the shot with the guardian legs is like a thing with how Ganon is using more strength, corrupting all remaining Sheikah technology and the towers are turning on Link, which is why he doesn't use any of it.
I think with regards to the ascend ability being active while Link is underwater, the reason the rune lights up when he's underwater has more to do with the way the game is calculating where the ascend can be used, and does not indicate underwater exploration is a feature. If the game calculates the surface of water as a flat surface, then the ascend ability registers this flat surface as a valid location. This may also be in case there is a large underground area, if that area takes you underneath a body of water, and you happen to find a valid ascend location there you are able to ascend up into the surface of the water.
I agree. There was literally no reason to exclude underwater exploration in BoTW, in lore or otherwise. How are they going to justify including it in the sequel? Like ‘tadaa’ you can just do this now? I’m mad by the way. BotW is the zelda game I’ve spent the most time with on a single save, but it’s also the only one in the series which I will never start again from scratch, owing to how much of a chore all the shrines were, how empty all of the rewards are, how basic and comparatively sterile the story is, how few enemy types there are etc. I know you didn’t ask, but man I’m bummed there’s no indication that the zelda formula isn’t being totally retired for a boring, disposable open-world format.
@@elmatasesues3630 Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love classic zelda games, but I love BotW too, despite how flawed it is. I'm hoping TotK fixes the problems with the plot, enemy variety, and lackluster dungeons. I've never seen the shrines as a chore or having empty rewards, because many of them are built around the game's physics, which I find fun. So the reward is getting to play the game. I'm bummed how so many zelda fans feel like they've been left behind or whatever by this game. I want people to be as excited as I am.
@@blueylewis9419 the only element of BOTW which I enjoyed was the absolute freedom it proposed. I say ‘proposed’ because said freedom is nullified by the absolute emptiness of its sandbox; you’re not going to find anything but shrines really, which offer exactly one reward. And when you find actual sidequests, they offer nothing of substance except a few ‘kawaii lolz’. Everything material in the game is disposable, and what’s worse is there’s no lore, no actual plot, no journey to distract you from all this void except a vicarious one, and that’s really Zelda’s journey, whom we don’t play as; and no matter where you go you encounter the same 5 lazy enemy designs; as opposed to enemy design based around the areas where they live-which became natural extensions of the lore like previous games-you just get element-oriented variations. *Even this* would even be tolerable if there were at least more obvious and direct references to the physical architecture of the previous games; I went looking for remnants of temples and structures only to find jack. I would actually go as far as to say that BoTW was a misstep, that too much traditional design-philosophy had to be sacrificed in order to create this ‘open world’. What’s even more unacceptable is that this game was already released for a previous console, which means Nintendo had time to add new elements before re-release. But they didn’t, because they knew it had the zelda name on it, and people would buy it and love it regardless.
In response to a late note: Kid Icarus Uprising is amazing. It's one of the most underrated games of all time imo, because it's a 20 hour, fully voiced, lovingly crafted rollercoaster action narrative experience, on a Nintendo handheld, stuck with extremely awkward controls. That game is DYING to be uprezzed and ported to console. It's a GEM of a time with loads of replayablity and even an online multiplayer that could stand to be updated, as well.
Just found your channel and podcast a few days ago and really, really love it! ❤ Love the calm and reflected way you make your videos. Also NBC and TT really fit in well, y’all make for great conversations to listen to. :)
I wanna go headlong into the idea that blue flame was so good, they should lower the shrine total and make them all longer and more interesting. I’d gladly take 60 - 80 really good mini dungeons over 120 zonai rehashes.
I think there will be underwater exploration if only because of the ultrahand vehicle making feature. There is a high probability that you can make a vehicle that doesn't float as we've seen Link able to use the metal doors from the first game (the base of the 4 fan hovercraft in one of the trailers) and the stone? wheels that were pulled out from underwater. (EDIT: I think it's actually a decorated stone slab and not metal but it'll still probably sink lol) If he were to enclose himself in the vehicle and drive it underwater, it would be incredibly odd if the devs didn't design around this and not include some kind of underwater features. Even if he were forced to detach from the controls he would still get dragged underwater. Now will Link be able to freely swim around like SS/TP Link or fingers crossed like MM Zora Link, that remains to be seen. The Zora Armor should probably get repurposed for this or he gets a permanent swimming upgrade in the form of a Zora scale or something but who knows!
Considering the initial plans for underwater exploration back in BotW which was ultimately left out it's inevitable that some form of underwater gameplay will become available in TotK. Fingers crossed we get another Water Temple type dungeon in the game.
Alternatively it could be like the master cycle 0 and as soon as you get more than a foot or 2 underwater the glue falls as part and the ceiling caves in and falls on link dealing damage to him as he rises to the surface
For the most part I'd agree. But Gyorg's original fight was bland and I felt like the new one at least gave it some character. It was only really hampered by the changes they made to zora form, which isn't a problem of the boss fight itself.
I really don't know about this. The original fights were straightforward to the point of being simplistic (easy Odolwa stunlock, Goht with arrows etc), so they at least tried to introduce some complexity and difficulty to them. Whether they succeeded in making them more fun or not is more of a matter of taste. Most of the time the complaints I hear about the MM3D bosses is that they "added obvious huge eye weak points" which seems like a silly complaint when the weak points of the originals were their entire bodies.
@@teasdaye I think you're forgetting that the originals had an "intended" strat and a "cheese" strat. Your first time playing the game, unless you had already read about it or something, you probably fought Ghot by chasing it down as a Goron. The simple thing was the cheese strat. Stunlock, arrows, etc. This was the reward for experience and to help in situations where you find you need to fight a boss again.
I don't understand why people didn't think that the Zonai were important at all. My top 3 Zelda titles are Breath of the Wild, Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time. That is for now, things might change after Tears of the Kingdom. Great podcast!
I think the structure of divine beasts can work for larger dungeons. What we love about dungeons are the unique aesthetics, music, enemies, mini bosses and bosses. But honestly the simplicity of the puzzles, linearity and formulaic item approach in a lot of them and had been getting tiring already by the time TP and SS came out. A unique element that affects the whole dungeon and that you can control at any time, freedom of approach in it's objectives instead of gating off most of the place with keys, puzzles that can take advantage of the fact that you are given all of your abilities. Those are all good ideas that the divine beasts have that would just need to be added to properly themed, larger structures with enemies, bosses, etc...
My idea would be to use fuse or another ability to "consume" a weapon of the same type (sword for sword, spear for spear) to repair the durability of the weapon you want to keep. Then allow you to use maybe a mix of weapons and materials to upgrade weapons permanently (durability and power) similar to armor upgrades in botw. This would keep the need to find new weapons but also allow people to use the weapons they want and grow attached to them. I think it would give you a nice tangible sense of progression as well. I'm surprised I haven't heard this idea come up anywhere else already.
I'm honestly all in on this Zelda, even though I didn't care much for BoTW, simply because all the abilities link is given actually seem 10x more useful and interactive than the first: Godhand isn't limited to just metal objects like magnesis, not to mention you can use it to actually fuse things together at the same time instead of just being limited to one object. There's also the new capacity to make basic machines and vehicles. Reverse seems much more interactive than stasis, not only from a puzzle perspective or for traversing the world, but also for dealing with enemies in a way where I don't have to focus on pinpoint precision just to have a box to 10 damage to something where it would have been faster just to swing my sword. Fuse means way more ways to fight enemies, as well as makes encounters more engaging with limited resources. I don't have to worry about only going in with a stick or a damaged weapon because I know I'll be able to find something to bolster the resources I already have, making actually fighting enemies a lot more likely to be worthwhile. Plus the elemental effects are still in, adding even more variety. And more monster variety. And more of hyrule to explore, with new base level encounters, floating islands, and underground section; each of which have more attention given to them considering that the base world and majority of assets were already created. Considering all of this, the fact that it's 70$ actually makes sense; to me this is basically the 'complete' version of BoTW. Even if it doesn't have dungeons and follows the core design of BoTW, it has much more to look forward to in terms of what you actually do moment to moment in the game. Plus I'm sure they'll include something akin to dungeons, even if they are small like the divine beasts, considering they've spent so long making the game. I just think they don't want to spoil the surprise.
I personally wouldn’t mind seeing less puzzles overall and more enemy challenges similar to how they were enemy camps that needed to be cleared to unlock the extra shrines in the champions balled.
about the zonai, Even Now, There Are Still People Who Played BotW that STILL Have Not Heard of the Zonai. there were people in the comments like "what is a zonai??"
I honestly only knew they were a thing from after hearing TotK trailer reactors mentioning it haha. Don't even know where they are referenced, probably an in-game book or something
@@sansundertale8765 they're referenced in a place name I think? and also they're referenced in the Art Book for botw. and it TotK the guy picked up an item called "Zonai Charge" oh and also there's those huge Zonai labyrinths(but I'm not sure if they're called that)
The problem they have with the dungeon design is actually that link can climb anything. In BotW they canceled that out by making all the shrines and devine beasts sheikah technology and reasoned that link can't climb on sheikah surfaces. If they do traditional dungeons there's like 4 options: 1) Find a reason, no matter how stupid is may be, why Link can't climb in dungeons. No 2) Have only certain surfaces or walls climbable. Big NO. 3) Go the BotW way. Theme them all similiar (like all were build by the Zonai). Maybe ? 4) Full climbing access inside dungeons. The problem I'd have with option 4 is that it would negate a lot of puzzle options. So in order to remain challenging the dungeons may get overly complicated.
¿Why should it be a problem that Link can't climb dungeons...? That didn't stop the Lost Woods from offering a fin puzzle challenge with NO CLIMBING ALLOWED in order to reach the Korok Forest. Wathever reason is given for classic dungeons with no climbing to return i can assure you it won't annoy or affect players whatsoever if they still get to explore and enjoy elaborate environments filled with corridors, halls, mazes (just like a certain maze from BotW) and a lot rich and unique atmosphere never seen before. There's every reason imaginable why both classic dungeons and underwater exploration may return in Tears of the Kingdom making me confident we'll see a lot of both play an integral part in the game's world.
@@matthewevans705 Highly unlikely considering Link's role as the titular _Hero_ with the role of completing said dungeons as part of his Quest. Should Zelda become playable she'll only play a minor role in the Quest completing dungeons which are far smaller compared to Link's.
@@javiervasquez625 I think you misunderstood what I said because you bring up the lost woods challenge as an example. That's exactly what I'm saying, not being allowed to climb makes for more elaborate puzzles. Having unlimited climbing possibilities wtihin dungeons would work but considering you also have the glider and Ultrahand etc. it's harder to design puzzles around that without getting overly complicated. The problem i described was more directed that there has to be a logical reason for Link unable to climb in dungeons.
The thing with Zonai deniers is because a few years ago, it seemed that the Zonai was all the theory channels talked about for a while. That’s why I myself dipped from the theory community for a while, it was a tad over saturated. Now that the Zonai are confirmed and involved in TotK, I’m happy that all those theories are vindicated. But damn did I find it annoying a couple years ago.
I'm almost certain there will be an alternate realm. So to speak. I just think we've already seen it in BotW. Technically. What we've seen of the sky islands just goes up and up and up...
@@cato3277 Well, I'm not sure how much verticality we'll get out of the islands themselves. But based on the leaked art book and things Nintendo have done in the past, I'm fairly confident that we're going on quite a journey. At a minimum for one area of the game. I fully elaborate on my speculation in the interview where Rata goes over the spoilers from a couple weeks back, if you're interested.
I hope we do get a playable Zelda with the Shieka Slate, though I think it could be like a 2nd Journey mode like they initially planned to do with Skyward Sword. I would like a more linear story, but I think letting you skip it and run to the final boss would make some happy. I think they could absolutely design dungeons to be done in any order, just focused around the abilities. Though I'm worried it'll copy Breath of the Wild's formula a bit too much, and we might not get proper dungeons and just a underwhelming divine beast equivalent and loads of shrines. I think I'll love it either way, but it might not break my top 3 Zelda games. Also, loved the blood moon comment. I always thought that was soo cool and really wanted it to last all night each time. On the future, it seems like they're set on open air, I feel the next one will be like that too. But after that it can always evolve and change. Hopefully we'll see more 2D games.
I feel like a factor w wind weaker partially with the style of it on top of it was the showcase of what Zelda could look like and what ppl were thinking the next game would look like and seeing such a difference in what we actually got
whether it has dungeons or not, I already pre-ordered it, and I was a little shaky when I saw the dragon car thing... but the footage I've seen since then has eased my fears. That said, I REALLYI fuckin hope it has dungeons, but not the "classic" OOT dungeons. I want OG Zelda labyrinths. I want some stuff to find underground that's not in some super obvious place. I would like some different themes and whatnot, but I don't want linear. I basically want zelda 1 in 3D minus the linearity with the items. I want some kind of special items to find in dungeons, and not just the 250 throwaway shrines with throwaway weapons, but I don't want the items to be so important that they completely cut you off from making progress until you go find the specific thing. I loved the kinds of puzzles the divine beasts and shrines had, but everything just felt really short and same-y. Same enemies, same shrines with the same colors and music, same everything, everywhere you go, with not much to really do or find ultimately. I still had a great experience playing it, but it was a shallow one when I really sit back and look at it. The Gleeok has me excited, but I don't know why it's pictured on the bridge. It should be in a dungeon.
Ascend is still activatable for a short time after Link is in the air, whether he has the glider out, is free falling, or is tumbling. (Maybe you can still use it midair as long as you do it quick?) It only greys out in the trailer when he is either still in the air after a few seconds or is swimming on the surface of the water. The only explanation for why he appears to be able to activate it underwater is either it is a visual bug or you’ll do things in the game underwater (whatever that ends up being). I doubt it’s a visual bug.
A link to the past is my first zelda game. I didn't realized it was considered as a hard one since I know him by heart... I struggled way more on some of the game boy zeldas.
how did I miss all this controversy around the Zonai stuff? That was the most intriguing lore discussion/theory I'd seen in a good long while honestly, and it made a hell of a lotta sense for them to be involved in Tears of the Kingdom.
Wow, you guys must be youngins. Link's Awakening is probably my favorite next to Ocarina, ALttP, Zelda II, and BotW. Many other good ones of course but never felt the same spark I felt with these games. I really enjoy BotW but the amount of pure fun I had with those early games has really never been matched. Might be time for some more three heart runs. I still need to beat the original, though. Never have! And I share the same exact birthday and age with the game (2/21/86)! It's probably the archaic design that is keeping me from doing it, but one day...
The thing with MM3D Rata, is that the developers are more or less the same, The difference here is that Aonuma has consistently went on record and said that he does not like Majora and was extremely displeased with it. He genuinely does not know or understand what made it popular because he views it as a mistake, a stain that needs to be fixed.
That Paper Mario /w Peach interlude thing is exactly what I suggested to my girlfriend for what I thought Zelda would have if she is playable. She is really hoping there is more but I don't see it happening.
the main reason totk might make botw irrelevant is because it's essentially an upgraded world from botw, there's no reason to go back to the simpler world of botw since you would already know the story and everything that happens there. the abilities are also looking like straight upgrades over botw which just further adds to that. the only fun relevant ability that seems to be missing a proper counterpart is stasis, recall is similar in concept but very different in practice, bombs are likely just an item now and cryonis becomes unnecessary with ultrahands flexibility. all totk needs to do is capture that same magic and botw will just look like a tech demo in hindsight.
One thing I haven’t seen discussed is at the beginning of the new gameplay, when you ride the rock up the sky island, the rock just stops midair for you to glide over to the nearby island. Though that begs the question of where did the rock really start falling from if not unseen island or structure above what we can see from the ground?
That weird moment as someone who actually liked MM3D with what they did to the bosses, the bomber notebook feeling better, etc. The movement changes didn't really bug me? Like I had to adjust at first but it wasn't something that I was really bothered by.
On dungeons (i can't edit my original post): The divine beasts barely scratch the itch. I think the idea of the "do the terminals in any order" is...interesting in concept but I think the execution wasn't as good. As a result, you can't really get increasingly complex puzzles as can't build on prior puzzles, which is why I kinda wish we could have linear ones instead and have the rest of the world be open. The way I kinda said it in a post on ZU is "I wouldn't mind the way dungeons and puzzles are in BotW (and possibly TotK), if we had a game to those as Oracle of Ages was to Oracle of Seasons." BotW/TotK focused on exploration, openness, and combat? What if we had a title alongside that covered, in a focused way, the other aspects of Zelda?
Based on the released screenshots of the game and the gameplay demo especially, I think Tears of the Kingdom will be a dynamic resolution upscaled to 1080p. At least the UI elements are native 1080p, but the actual rendering probably won't be full 1080p most of the time, if ever. It's hard to tell because the gameplay demo video was so compressed, and even the screenshots are compressed JPEGs. The screenshots still look a lot sharper than the video.
I agree with the statement that BECAUSE ToTK is releasing as what is basically an additive expansion to BOTW (obviously likely more content than what can be labeled a DLC, not saying that)...that it will undermine BOTW. Same Map+ more. Same cooking + more. Same combat + more. And Frankly, I REALLY don't think BOTW holds up...ALREADY, under the concept of its gameplay being made better and its world being more dense. Because that's the thing, EVERY Zelda game is three things: Gameplay, world, tone. BOTW, imo, has the a pretty ok tone for the franchise (I like how open and calm it feels)...AMAZING gameplay...but BOTW easily has one of the worst worlds in the franchise, and if that's getting a net boon + better gameplay. What do you have left? Korok seeds? Empty Fields? Trials? What's left? Stasis? If there isn't a way to do that also in TOTK? So for me, if TOTK comes out and it is BOTW + a real world and dungeons? Then BOTW, which is already not even in my top 5 and low in my top 10...is going to sink to the very bottom of a lot of lists. Because BOTW sacrificed SO MUCH to produce this "freeing world" and if TOTK can do that + on the same hardware? It's gunna make BOTW look like a demo version of a better game.
My first was Link to the Past; Its PROBABLY my favorite still but Jeez if TOTK isn't in a vicious tug-o-war with it. I'd argue my Current tops are LTTP => ToTK > The Oracles Games
I think we might be able to fuse more than 2 items - sort of… What if we can fuse together two sticks to make a long stick which then can be fused with pointy objects to make spears? Or maybe we can actually make arrows by combining sticks with pointy objects, like horns, or amber or flint? Then we can use chu jelly to apply elemental properties I don’t think we will only have to find or purchase arrows in this game. I think we can actually make them!
I have no ideas what the green spirals are. But I feel like dungeons are those large roofed structures in the sky. And there might not be like, 7 dungeons. But like, 30. And one thing I’m feeling - that those buildings have a ‘tardis’ like feature. ie look bigger on the inside than they are on the outside.
Respectfully, I think y’all don’t give credit to why Nintendo makes the Switch the way it does. They make profits off the console, whereas Xbox and Sony take losses. And, they are extremely successful in this space, with no reason to upgrade to a new console until absolutely required, and most people, while they would love an upgrade, are just like y’all-you complain but you love it and buy it anyway. The steam deck will force them to re-examine, but I don’t think they’ll want to compete with it, I think they’ll still carve a space in gaming no one else will take the financial risk to try to occupy.
I would love to be able to turn back time to fix nonfunctional constructs or machinery like the pirate ship in Skyward Sword I think we might be able to resurrect the broken constructs with a Zonai charge we pick up
The only thing we know for sure is that we will have Zonai charge in the game. Just kidding, funny how you picked up one of the smallest lore details in Botw and that Nintendo actually went for it in totk.
See I really like that the overworld map is kind of the same, I'm a fan of the concept 'more is good', so for example, the Super Mario Galaxy games and the two Fossil Fighters games have a gorgeous progression between the two where you feel like you're playing even more of that first game you liked, a proper sequel, they get better fleshed out, they become refined, nowadays community backlash and comments are taken into account too, but I feel like if something is meant to be a direct sequel (like what they told us Tears of the Kingdom was going to be) to something else then it should feel as though that there is some sort of continuation of the original piece, whether that's themes, gameplay, message, or even area, we don't need a new map every game, because they could just take the bones from this and refit it as they see fit. Mind you, we have no idea the amount of time post-BotW this is supposed to be, but in playing an RPG, like you're controlling Link, fundamentally you ARE Link, BotW showed us the land of Hyrule post Calamity and we had the chance to explore and see everything that has resulted from it and even finding stuff entirely unrelated, but as Link, we didn't know ANYTHING, we literally had to trigger specific memories as our character to like have all that knowledge again, and now in the sequel we're playing as Link trying to again deal with some Ganon Doomsday crap, but having to take into strides whatever else is new to his home which he lived in for so long and was so familiar with, at this point he's regained his sense of self and familiarity so now he just has to adapt to what's new and add that to his already crazy wide ranging kit
I don’t know how people here react on things of the artbook but want to share something sort and know what y’all think so (ARTBOOK SPOILER ALERT ) …. …… There’s something resembling an outfit by the looks of it, of a previous iteration of Link. I think to be specific, Link from ALttP and Links awakening. It’s like a “bighead” outfit. And it’s called “the hero of dreams”. This particularly makes you connect it directly to Links awakening. Speaking on who or what will we see make a return from previous games, like previous bosses etc, what if this outfit is connected to such things? What if it’s able to place link in a dream world of some sort? I mean it’s not a dlc outfit I think because it’s in the main artbook, but it just seems weird for a big bobble head like outfit to be in the game for link to fight in. Very curious to me🤔
Regarding reusing music tracks, each Zelda game has its own instrument that's the focus of the soundtrack, botw being the piano. So it's disappointing to hear they're not changing the core instrument? Hopefully the music will pull a fast one and start the same but then turn into a new arraignment?
maybe its just me, I must admit I have not kept up with all of the latest theory crafting here on RUclips... But I've been playing BOTW since launch day for over 600 hours and It just seemed obvious since my 1st step into Faron that the Zonai had more to do with the story than we were being led to belive in BOTW. Now, folks that are much more steeped in the lore (like you folks having this podcast) has theroy crafted the idea that the Zonai will be featured more prominently in TOTK and so far you have been correct! That said, even a casual fan could see from playing BOTW, just like I did, that "something is going on here with the Zonai" It is just so plain to see.
I wanna speak on Majora's Mask 3D and just say that after I did Woodfall I put the game down I have no idea who thought it was a good idea to assassinate Deku movement lol absolutely insane then I heard that they made Twinmold and Zora swimming worse so glad I just made the right call lol
Zelda youtubers should prepare for the broader audience’s reception. Most people will simply evaluate the game based on what it brings to the table in 2023.
Imo Zelda RUclipsrs aren’t gonna care about the wider audience reception because we’ll just wanna talk about the stuff we wanna talk about, we don’t evaluate review scores and stuff, just the lore and interesting bits in the games :))
What I'm wondering is if you can replace the ends of fused weapons, what happens to the replaced piece? Does it get destroyed? Does it drop to the ground? If it does drop, will they revert to their original size? If they do, Link will be able to carry boulders and logs around in his inventory as fused weapons and drop them by fusing again.
My first Zelda was Zelda 2. It will always hold a special place in my heart, and I never fully understood the hate it got, but it's not my favorite Zelda. That's a toss-up between A Link to the Past and Breath of the Wild. Also, wait, what?? A Link to the Past is considered hard???
the brightness in majora's mask 3ds exists because it's a frigging handheld game, it needs to be bright because of the tiny screen. imagine playing majora's mask on 3ds with the brightness of the original. it would be unplayable.
shrines do not need to be longer. i’ve been playing the second wind mod and the devs put a lot of work into extending the shrines and adding more puzzles, but playing it actually it feels like, man these shrines are not meant to be time commitments. messes with the pacing of exploration. although i agree divine beasts are short
Yeah the biggest concern for me regarding Tears of the Kingdom is that it will undermine the appeal of Botw. Majora's mask has such a different atmosphere and world compared to ocarina, but totk so far doesn't seem to have a distinct atmosphere compared to botw
@@goldenshatter Lol, I've just been wondering about the set up with the divine beast and the convivence of calamity Gannon's location. It's like the whole place was made to farm gannon every time he popped back up
I want to challenge you Ratatoskr. You have said many times that you miss the music of older dungeons in the Zelda series. I, however, think that the 4 dungeon themes we do get in botw are some of the best songs in the series, my personal favorite dungeon themes. I challenge you to listen to the divine beat themes in their entirety. They are different from one another. The games issue lies solely in dynamically adding layers to the songs as you activate terminals. Listen to those full layers in their entirety. I believe that the implementation is the issue, and not the compositions themselves. I just wanted to point that out as in past videos you seem to suggest that the songs themselves are worse than the previous dungeon themes, which I think is a misguided opinion, formulated because of the games poor showcase of its actual music.
Games cost over $100 US back in the day, taking inflation into account. I’d be fine with $70 (only paid $50 with a digital voucher, though.) Nintendo did used to produce a power console. GameCube was more powerful than the PS2, but it didn’t sell as well. That’s when their focus shifted away from graphics.
The "it's a great game just nit a great zelda game" makes perfect sense and I don't get why people say it doesn't. Like imagine if you make a blt. Bacon lettuce tomato, maybe a bit of salt and pepper and mayo. Now instead of mayo you use mustard, you add some pickles. It's still an alright sandwich but it's not a blt anymore.
While I see the arguments that TotK could make BotW feel ‘obsolete’, I think it’ll feel more like BotW will be the prologue and TotK the epic main story. The champion will fully and completely realize his abilities and his ultimate path Also why would they possibly rethink the shrines and reskin the in a Zonai aesthetic but then have the Sheikah shrine theme playing? That’s completely backward and counter to the entire OST treatment and philosophy observed in BotW and thus far in TotK
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I hope you don’t mind me commenting here but in the podcast, like likes were mentioned but I haven’t seen any in anything for totk
The Zonai stuff was so well argued and documented by the community it didn't even surprise me when it showed up in the demo. It was like "yeah of course the Zonai are in this, how would they not be"?
It really says something that when the text “Zonai” appeared everyone in the community already knew what it meant.
Yeah I didn't even realize there was an argument against it!
@@jacobtrost5048 agreed! Felt like they were basically confirmed at this point. Especially with the past trailers
The same people who denied the existence of the Zonai are the same people who unironically thought that the Twili were coming back.
I mean you never know the Twili MIGHT come back at some point during Tears of the Kingdom's storyline given how little we've _seen_ of the game to argue for Midna's descendants showing up somewhere. Unlikely for sure but the odds are still there for a Twili appereance.
@@javiervasquez625 TBH I don't see it.
It'd make Midna's sacrifice, or choice, for light and twilight to be separated, for naught.
Things have to end to have stakes. If they come back, we can scratch TP's heartrending ending, might as well not have happened.
@@UltimateTobi I agree which is why i mentioned the odds as been statistically low for such a big plot point as the shattering of the Mirror of Twilight to be undone during the course of the story. One thing which keeps this scenario from been totally impossible is this: Tears of the Kingdom might be the _end_ of the "Ganon Saga". Seeing as Nintendo is always free to reboot the franchise by ending Ganondorf for good that gives them every reason to bring back past events and characters to the narrative as a big wrap up that will make players look back at the series's history and fill them with nostalgia and love for the past games as they all played a part in Link's journey up until Tears of the Kingdom and the end of Demise's Curse. With such high stakes as the destruction of Hyrule at Ganondorf's hands the stage is set for a big epic confrontation which could easily bring forth all the major factions of the franchise together so that the current storyline may be given a proper conclusion to it's narrative.
@@UltimateTobi Why would the Twili coming back thousands and thousands of years after the events of Twilight Princess make her choice null and void? Ganon broke free of his imprisonment by Zelda in Ocarina of time, which caused the events of Wind Waker, making Link and Zelda's sacrifices null and void. Simply using your own logic here.
If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if the Zonai and the Twili people are one and the samel.
@@SiphonRayzar The Mirror of Twilight was the only link, which can only be shattered by the true ruler of the twilight realm. And Midna did it.
The Sacred Realm into which Ganondorf was banned has apparently multiple entries, none of which had been permanently destroyed.
Your comparison doesn't hold.
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All the zonai stuff is absolutely huge for black crisis, so happy to see it. I was so excited for him that the zonai are getting so much focus in totk
For playable Zelda, I think she’s actually going to be the equivalent of this game’s shrines. Those green spirals are how you trigger her content spelunking underground. And I think there’ll be fewer caves than shrines, but a bit bigger or more complex. And there won’t be any combat shrines/caves, just puzzles.
Something to keep in mind about the zonai and totk is that 99% of people dont know what they are and they all played and loved botw. So it's really cool to see them expand on a little intentional mystery and hidden part of botw
It was the only logical leap for Nintendo considering how non mysterious the Sheikah became with their reintroduction into the Zelda world forcing them to bring in another new magic race with which to create mystery with.
Exactly who actually cares
45:00 i think ultrahand will be able to manipulate metal blocks as well, i think the sole reason they still include metal objects in the game is due to electricity still being a factor. thunderstorms, electric puzzles, thunder elemental weapons- i doubt they wanted to rid the game of how these things interact with metal material
Not to mention link flying on a metal plate quadro coper.
My favorite part of the recent trailer is the vindication of NintendoBlackCrisis
In all honesty he was vindicated the moment the first teaser trailer came out and revealed a bunch of Zonai ruins connected to Ganondorf's imprisonment.
@@javiervasquez625 Agreed
Couple of theories/predictions:
- The monuments with the Zonai swirl are the new shrines, but they won't teleport you to a closed place. Rather you'll have to solve a puzzle/task in the nearby area.
- There will be a dungeon for each tear.
- Each dungeon will be like Eventide Island. You'll lose all of your gear and will have to build your way to get to the dungeon boss and beat them (I'll be honest, this is more of a hope than a prediction)
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Listening to this after the episode 3 weeks ago (December 2023) is so unbelievably brutal. You keep hearing these hopes knowing they just get ruthlessly dashed.
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When it comes to underwater, I think it will be in, but more like WW where the water is a ceiling to a dry area.
Also, I believe the point of the coordinates on the map is so that you know where you are in relation to the surface while underground
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The atmosphere of this podcast was very nice. The conversation was very cohesive and it seemed like everyone was comfortable speaking up around one another.
Asking which Zelda game is your favorite, to me, is like asking which is your favorite Lord of the Rings movie. They're all part of the same thing. I like the Wind Waker artstyle a lot, but I'm glad that Twilight Princess looks the way it does too. Some of the games might have stronger or weaker aspects than the others, but it would be difficult to rank them because they offer such a variety of experiences. And it seems like many of them capture that "Zelda-style" adventure pretty darn well.
Also, which is your favorite, and which would you most likely replay, are two different questions, in my opinion.
I get you, but that comparison to lord of the rings just reminds me more of xenoblades story than anything. Zelda isnt AS connected because only a few character's are reoccurring.
I always felt the shot with the guardian legs is like a thing with how Ganon is using more strength, corrupting all remaining Sheikah technology and the towers are turning on Link, which is why he doesn't use any of it.
I think with regards to the ascend ability being active while Link is underwater, the reason the rune lights up when he's underwater has more to do with the way the game is calculating where the ascend can be used, and does not indicate underwater exploration is a feature. If the game calculates the surface of water as a flat surface, then the ascend ability registers this flat surface as a valid location. This may also be in case there is a large underground area, if that area takes you underneath a body of water, and you happen to find a valid ascend location there you are able to ascend up into the surface of the water.
I agree. There was literally no reason to exclude underwater exploration in BoTW, in lore or otherwise. How are they going to justify including it in the sequel? Like ‘tadaa’ you can just do this now? I’m mad by the way. BotW is the zelda game I’ve spent the most time with on a single save, but it’s also the only one in the series which I will never start again from scratch, owing to how much of a chore all the shrines were, how empty all of the rewards are, how basic and comparatively sterile the story is, how few enemy types there are etc. I know you didn’t ask, but man I’m bummed there’s no indication that the zelda formula isn’t being totally retired for a boring, disposable open-world format.
@@elmatasesues3630 Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love classic zelda games, but I love BotW too, despite how flawed it is. I'm hoping TotK fixes the problems with the plot, enemy variety, and lackluster dungeons. I've never seen the shrines as a chore or having empty rewards, because many of them are built around the game's physics, which I find fun. So the reward is getting to play the game. I'm bummed how so many zelda fans feel like they've been left behind or whatever by this game. I want people to be as excited as I am.
@@blueylewis9419 the only element of BOTW which I enjoyed was the absolute freedom it proposed. I say ‘proposed’ because said freedom is nullified by the absolute emptiness of its sandbox; you’re not going to find anything but shrines really, which offer exactly one reward. And when you find actual sidequests, they offer nothing of substance except a few ‘kawaii lolz’. Everything material in the game is disposable, and what’s worse is there’s no lore, no actual plot, no journey to distract you from all this void except a vicarious one, and that’s really Zelda’s journey, whom we don’t play as; and no matter where you go you encounter the same 5 lazy enemy designs; as opposed to enemy design based around the areas where they live-which became natural extensions of the lore like previous games-you just get element-oriented variations. *Even this* would even be tolerable if there were at least more obvious and direct references to the physical architecture of the previous games; I went looking for remnants of temples and structures only to find jack.
I would actually go as far as to say that BoTW was a misstep, that too much traditional design-philosophy had to be sacrificed in order to create this ‘open world’. What’s even more unacceptable is that this game was already released for a previous console, which means Nintendo had time to add new elements before re-release. But they didn’t, because they knew it had the zelda name on it, and people would buy it and love it regardless.
In response to a late note: Kid Icarus Uprising is amazing. It's one of the most underrated games of all time imo, because it's a 20 hour, fully voiced, lovingly crafted rollercoaster action narrative experience, on a Nintendo handheld, stuck with extremely awkward controls. That game is DYING to be uprezzed and ported to console. It's a GEM of a time with loads of replayablity and even an online multiplayer that could stand to be updated, as well.
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I wanna go headlong into the idea that blue flame was so good, they should lower the shrine total and make them all longer and more interesting. I’d gladly take 60 - 80 really good mini dungeons over 120 zonai rehashes.
I think there will be underwater exploration if only because of the ultrahand vehicle making feature. There is a high probability that you can make a vehicle that doesn't float as we've seen Link able to use the metal doors from the first game (the base of the 4 fan hovercraft in one of the trailers) and the stone? wheels that were pulled out from underwater. (EDIT: I think it's actually a decorated stone slab and not metal but it'll still probably sink lol) If he were to enclose himself in the vehicle and drive it underwater, it would be incredibly odd if the devs didn't design around this and not include some kind of underwater features. Even if he were forced to detach from the controls he would still get dragged underwater. Now will Link be able to freely swim around like SS/TP Link or fingers crossed like MM Zora Link, that remains to be seen. The Zora Armor should probably get repurposed for this or he gets a permanent swimming upgrade in the form of a Zora scale or something but who knows!
Considering the initial plans for underwater exploration back in BotW which was ultimately left out it's inevitable that some form of underwater gameplay will become available in TotK. Fingers crossed we get another Water Temple type dungeon in the game.
Alternatively it could be like the master cycle 0 and as soon as you get more than a foot or 2 underwater the glue falls as part and the ceiling caves in and falls on link dealing damage to him as he rises to the surface
The changes to the bosses in Majora's Mask 3D made them much worse.
For the most part I'd agree. But Gyorg's original fight was bland and I felt like the new one at least gave it some character.
It was only really hampered by the changes they made to zora form, which isn't a problem of the boss fight itself.
I really don't know about this. The original fights were straightforward to the point of being simplistic (easy Odolwa stunlock, Goht with arrows etc), so they at least tried to introduce some complexity and difficulty to them. Whether they succeeded in making them more fun or not is more of a matter of taste.
Most of the time the complaints I hear about the MM3D bosses is that they "added obvious huge eye weak points" which seems like a silly complaint when the weak points of the originals were their entire bodies.
@@teasdaye I think you're forgetting that the originals had an "intended" strat and a "cheese" strat.
Your first time playing the game, unless you had already read about it or something, you probably fought Ghot by chasing it down as a Goron.
The simple thing was the cheese strat. Stunlock, arrows, etc.
This was the reward for experience and to help in situations where you find you need to fight a boss again.
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Yeah I'm most excited for the underground and caves exploration because of the 2019 trailer
Also playing games like Elder scrolls and having so many indoor caverns and dungeons to explore is so fun
I don't understand why people didn't think that the Zonai were important at all. My top 3 Zelda titles are Breath of the Wild, Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time. That is for now, things might change after Tears of the Kingdom. Great podcast!
I think the structure of divine beasts can work for larger dungeons.
What we love about dungeons are the unique aesthetics, music, enemies, mini bosses and bosses. But honestly the simplicity of the puzzles, linearity and formulaic item approach in a lot of them and had been getting tiring already by the time TP and SS came out.
A unique element that affects the whole dungeon and that you can control at any time, freedom of approach in it's objectives instead of gating off most of the place with keys, puzzles that can take advantage of the fact that you are given all of your abilities. Those are all good ideas that the divine beasts have that would just need to be added to properly themed, larger structures with enemies, bosses, etc...
My idea would be to use fuse or another ability to "consume" a weapon of the same type (sword for sword, spear for spear) to repair the durability of the weapon you want to keep. Then allow you to use maybe a mix of weapons and materials to upgrade weapons permanently (durability and power) similar to armor upgrades in botw. This would keep the need to find new weapons but also allow people to use the weapons they want and grow attached to them. I think it would give you a nice tangible sense of progression as well. I'm surprised I haven't heard this idea come up anywhere else already.
That may be a way to use it if it's the exact same weapon.
I'm honestly all in on this Zelda, even though I didn't care much for BoTW, simply because all the abilities link is given actually seem 10x more useful and interactive than the first:
Godhand isn't limited to just metal objects like magnesis, not to mention you can use it to actually fuse things together at the same time instead of just being limited to one object. There's also the new capacity to make basic machines and vehicles.
Reverse seems much more interactive than stasis, not only from a puzzle perspective or for traversing the world, but also for dealing with enemies in a way where I don't have to focus on pinpoint precision just to have a box to 10 damage to something where it would have been faster just to swing my sword.
Fuse means way more ways to fight enemies, as well as makes encounters more engaging with limited resources. I don't have to worry about only going in with a stick or a damaged weapon because I know I'll be able to find something to bolster the resources I already have, making actually fighting enemies a lot more likely to be worthwhile.
Plus the elemental effects are still in, adding even more variety.
And more monster variety.
And more of hyrule to explore, with new base level encounters, floating islands, and underground section; each of which have more attention given to them considering that the base world and majority of assets were already created.
Considering all of this, the fact that it's 70$ actually makes sense; to me this is basically the 'complete' version of BoTW. Even if it doesn't have dungeons and follows the core design of BoTW, it has much more to look forward to in terms of what you actually do moment to moment in the game.
Plus I'm sure they'll include something akin to dungeons, even if they are small like the divine beasts, considering they've spent so long making the game. I just think they don't want to spoil the surprise.
I personally wouldn’t mind seeing less puzzles overall and more enemy challenges similar to how they were enemy camps that needed to be cleared to unlock the extra shrines in the champions balled.
about the zonai, Even Now, There Are Still People Who Played BotW that STILL Have Not Heard of the Zonai. there were people in the comments like "what is a zonai??"
I honestly only knew they were a thing from after hearing TotK trailer reactors mentioning it haha. Don't even know where they are referenced, probably an in-game book or something
@@sansundertale8765 they're referenced in a place name I think? and also they're referenced in the Art Book for botw.
and it TotK the guy picked up an item called "Zonai Charge"
oh and also there's those huge Zonai labyrinths(but I'm not sure if they're called that)
The problem they have with the dungeon design is actually that link can climb anything. In BotW they canceled that out by making all the shrines and devine beasts sheikah technology and reasoned that link can't climb on sheikah surfaces.
If they do traditional dungeons there's like 4 options:
1) Find a reason, no matter how stupid is may be, why Link can't climb in dungeons. No
2) Have only certain surfaces or walls climbable. Big NO.
3) Go the BotW way. Theme them all similiar (like all were build by the Zonai). Maybe ?
4) Full climbing access inside dungeons.
The problem I'd have with option 4 is that it would negate a lot of puzzle options. So in order to remain challenging the dungeons may get overly complicated.
¿Why should it be a problem that Link can't climb dungeons...? That didn't stop the Lost Woods from offering a fin puzzle challenge with NO CLIMBING ALLOWED in order to reach the Korok Forest. Wathever reason is given for classic dungeons with no climbing to return i can assure you it won't annoy or affect players whatsoever if they still get to explore and enjoy elaborate environments filled with corridors, halls, mazes (just like a certain maze from BotW) and a lot rich and unique atmosphere never seen before. There's every reason imaginable why both classic dungeons and underwater exploration may return in Tears of the Kingdom making me confident we'll see a lot of both play an integral part in the game's world.
What if Zelda is playable and can’t climb and she tackles the major dungeons
@@matthewevans705 Highly unlikely considering Link's role as the titular _Hero_ with the role of completing said dungeons as part of his Quest. Should Zelda become playable she'll only play a minor role in the Quest completing dungeons which are far smaller compared to Link's.
@@javiervasquez625 I think you misunderstood what I said because you bring up the lost woods challenge as an example. That's exactly what I'm saying, not being allowed to climb makes for more elaborate puzzles. Having unlimited climbing possibilities wtihin dungeons would work but considering you also have the glider and Ultrahand etc. it's harder to design puzzles around that without getting overly complicated.
The problem i described was more directed that there has to be a logical reason for Link unable to climb in dungeons.
The thing with Zonai deniers is because a few years ago, it seemed that the Zonai was all the theory channels talked about for a while. That’s why I myself dipped from the theory community for a while, it was a tad over saturated. Now that the Zonai are confirmed and involved in TotK, I’m happy that all those theories are vindicated. But damn did I find it annoying a couple years ago.
I'm almost certain there will be an alternate realm. So to speak.
I just think we've already seen it in BotW. Technically.
What we've seen of the sky islands just goes up and up and up...
If we get a ton of verticality that would be so cool. I’d hate to see the islands be all just one layer.
@@cato3277 Well, I'm not sure how much verticality we'll get out of the islands themselves. But based on the leaked art book and things Nintendo have done in the past, I'm fairly confident that we're going on quite a journey. At a minimum for one area of the game.
I fully elaborate on my speculation in the interview where Rata goes over the spoilers from a couple weeks back, if you're interested.
I hope we do get a playable Zelda with the Shieka Slate, though I think it could be like a 2nd Journey mode like they initially planned to do with Skyward Sword. I would like a more linear story, but I think letting you skip it and run to the final boss would make some happy. I think they could absolutely design dungeons to be done in any order, just focused around the abilities. Though I'm worried it'll copy Breath of the Wild's formula a bit too much, and we might not get proper dungeons and just a underwhelming divine beast equivalent and loads of shrines. I think I'll love it either way, but it might not break my top 3 Zelda games. Also, loved the blood moon comment. I always thought that was soo cool and really wanted it to last all night each time. On the future, it seems like they're set on open air, I feel the next one will be like that too. But after that it can always evolve and change. Hopefully we'll see more 2D games.
I feel like a factor w wind weaker partially with the style of it on top of it was the showcase of what Zelda could look like and what ppl were thinking the next game would look like and seeing such a difference in what we actually got
whether it has dungeons or not, I already pre-ordered it, and I was a little shaky when I saw the dragon car thing... but the footage I've seen since then has eased my fears. That said, I REALLYI fuckin hope it has dungeons, but not the "classic" OOT dungeons. I want OG Zelda labyrinths. I want some stuff to find underground that's not in some super obvious place. I would like some different themes and whatnot, but I don't want linear. I basically want zelda 1 in 3D minus the linearity with the items. I want some kind of special items to find in dungeons, and not just the 250 throwaway shrines with throwaway weapons, but I don't want the items to be so important that they completely cut you off from making progress until you go find the specific thing.
I loved the kinds of puzzles the divine beasts and shrines had, but everything just felt really short and same-y. Same enemies, same shrines with the same colors and music, same everything, everywhere you go, with not much to really do or find ultimately. I still had a great experience playing it, but it was a shallow one when I really sit back and look at it.
The Gleeok has me excited, but I don't know why it's pictured on the bridge. It should be in a dungeon.
Ascend is still activatable for a short time after Link is in the air, whether he has the glider out, is free falling, or is tumbling. (Maybe you can still use it midair as long as you do it quick?) It only greys out in the trailer when he is either still in the air after a few seconds or is swimming on the surface of the water. The only explanation for why he appears to be able to activate it underwater is either it is a visual bug or you’ll do things in the game underwater (whatever that ends up being). I doubt it’s a visual bug.
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A link to the past is my first zelda game. I didn't realized it was considered as a hard one since I know him by heart... I struggled way more on some of the game boy zeldas.
how did I miss all this controversy around the Zonai stuff? That was the most intriguing lore discussion/theory I'd seen in a good long while honestly, and it made a hell of a lotta sense for them to be involved in Tears of the Kingdom.
Wow, you guys must be youngins. Link's Awakening is probably my favorite next to Ocarina, ALttP, Zelda II, and BotW. Many other good ones of course but never felt the same spark I felt with these games. I really enjoy BotW but the amount of pure fun I had with those early games has really never been matched. Might be time for some more three heart runs.
I still need to beat the original, though. Never have! And I share the same exact birthday and age with the game (2/21/86)! It's probably the archaic design that is keeping me from doing it, but one day...
The thing with MM3D Rata, is that the developers are more or less the same, The difference here is that Aonuma has consistently went on record and said that he does not like Majora and was extremely displeased with it. He genuinely does not know or understand what made it popular because he views it as a mistake, a stain that needs to be fixed.
Ratatoskr spittin facts about how wack most Remakes are. Also Im glad you had on people who didnt have BOTW in their top.
This is gonna be fun
I think TOTK will make BOTW feel like a demo. This will be the ultimate version of Hyrule.
Sounds reasonable, took them 10 years to create totk considering development of the basics in botw.
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That Paper Mario /w Peach interlude thing is exactly what I suggested to my girlfriend for what I thought Zelda would have if she is playable. She is really hoping there is more but I don't see it happening.
the main reason totk might make botw irrelevant is because it's essentially an upgraded world from botw, there's no reason to go back to the simpler world of botw since you would already know the story and everything that happens there. the abilities are also looking like straight upgrades over botw which just further adds to that. the only fun relevant ability that seems to be missing a proper counterpart is stasis, recall is similar in concept but very different in practice, bombs are likely just an item now and cryonis becomes unnecessary with ultrahands flexibility.
all totk needs to do is capture that same magic and botw will just look like a tech demo in hindsight.
One thing I haven’t seen discussed is at the beginning of the new gameplay, when you ride the rock up the sky island, the rock just stops midair for you to glide over to the nearby island. Though that begs the question of where did the rock really start falling from if not unseen island or structure above what we can see from the ground?
It has occurred to me that instead of "fixing" the Master Sword, Link may fuse it to anything around, but it's possibly just a wild guess lol
I had the exact same idea
That weird moment as someone who actually liked MM3D with what they did to the bosses, the bomber notebook feeling better, etc. The movement changes didn't really bug me? Like I had to adjust at first but it wasn't something that I was really bothered by.
On dungeons (i can't edit my original post): The divine beasts barely scratch the itch. I think the idea of the "do the terminals in any order" is...interesting in concept but I think the execution wasn't as good. As a result, you can't really get increasingly complex puzzles as can't build on prior puzzles, which is why I kinda wish we could have linear ones instead and have the rest of the world be open.
The way I kinda said it in a post on ZU is "I wouldn't mind the way dungeons and puzzles are in BotW (and possibly TotK), if we had a game to those as Oracle of Ages was to Oracle of Seasons." BotW/TotK focused on exploration, openness, and combat? What if we had a title alongside that covered, in a focused way, the other aspects of Zelda?
Based on the released screenshots of the game and the gameplay demo especially, I think Tears of the Kingdom will be a dynamic resolution upscaled to 1080p. At least the UI elements are native 1080p, but the actual rendering probably won't be full 1080p most of the time, if ever. It's hard to tell because the gameplay demo video was so compressed, and even the screenshots are compressed JPEGs. The screenshots still look a lot sharper than the video.
i think the mechanic used in the sandsea with switching between past and present could play a role in this world...
I agree with the statement that BECAUSE ToTK is releasing as what is basically an additive expansion to BOTW (obviously likely more content than what can be labeled a DLC, not saying that)...that it will undermine BOTW. Same Map+ more. Same cooking + more. Same combat + more.
And Frankly, I REALLY don't think BOTW holds up...ALREADY, under the concept of its gameplay being made better and its world being more dense.
Because that's the thing, EVERY Zelda game is three things: Gameplay, world, tone. BOTW, imo, has the a pretty ok tone for the franchise (I like how open and calm it feels)...AMAZING gameplay...but BOTW easily has one of the worst worlds in the franchise, and if that's getting a net boon + better gameplay. What do you have left? Korok seeds? Empty Fields? Trials? What's left? Stasis? If there isn't a way to do that also in TOTK?
So for me, if TOTK comes out and it is BOTW + a real world and dungeons? Then BOTW, which is already not even in my top 5 and low in my top 10...is going to sink to the very bottom of a lot of lists.
Because BOTW sacrificed SO MUCH to produce this "freeing world" and if TOTK can do that + on the same hardware?
It's gunna make BOTW look like a demo version of a better game.
My first was Link to the Past; Its PROBABLY my favorite still but Jeez if TOTK isn't in a vicious tug-o-war with it. I'd argue my Current tops are LTTP => ToTK > The Oracles Games
Please upload this Spotify. I enjoy listening to podcasts while my phone screen is turned off. Can't do that on RUclips 😔
I hear ya (sigh) the one thing where the RUclips app totally fails us.
That's pretty much the only reason I pay for RUclips premium. No ads is nice too.
Get youtube vanced and just leave ads on
@@Nonzerotonin No tengo RUclips Vanced.
I still feel like we're in a loop. Tears of the Kingdom sets up Skyward Sword and the timeline loops, letting them put anything anywhere from then on.
Wish I could listen hands-free without being interrupted by mid roll ads every five minutes, some of which are their own full videos. 😑
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Incredibly intelligent podcast episode 😊
100 canadian is about 74 usd just as an fyi, so they are paying a small bit more in comparison.
I think we might be able to fuse more than 2 items - sort of…
What if we can fuse together two sticks to make a long stick which then can be fused with pointy objects to make spears?
Or maybe we can actually make arrows by combining sticks with pointy objects, like horns, or amber or flint? Then we can use chu jelly to apply elemental properties
I don’t think we will only have to find or purchase arrows in this game. I think we can actually make them!
I like remasters, but not remakes (especially the OoT and MM kind).
The music could have just been a stand in on the commercial ya know
I have no ideas what the green spirals are. But I feel like dungeons are those large roofed structures in the sky. And there might not be like, 7 dungeons. But like, 30. And one thing I’m feeling - that those buildings have a ‘tardis’ like feature. ie look bigger on the inside than they are on the outside.
The Canadian currency for 100 CAD amounts to 74.3481 USD
Respectfully, I think y’all don’t give credit to why Nintendo makes the Switch the way it does. They make profits off the console, whereas Xbox and Sony take losses. And, they are extremely successful in this space, with no reason to upgrade to a new console until absolutely required, and most people, while they would love an upgrade, are just like y’all-you complain but you love it and buy it anyway. The steam deck will force them to re-examine, but I don’t think they’ll want to compete with it, I think they’ll still carve a space in gaming no one else will take the financial risk to try to occupy.
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There’s an image of link attacked to a winch mechanism with the sheikah slate on the other end.
I would love to be able to turn back time to fix nonfunctional constructs or machinery like the pirate ship in Skyward Sword
I think we might be able to resurrect the broken constructs with a Zonai charge we pick up
The only thing we know for sure is that we will have Zonai charge in the game. Just kidding, funny how you picked up one of the smallest lore details in Botw and that Nintendo actually went for it in totk.
See I really like that the overworld map is kind of the same, I'm a fan of the concept 'more is good', so for example, the Super Mario Galaxy games and the two Fossil Fighters games have a gorgeous progression between the two where you feel like you're playing even more of that first game you liked, a proper sequel, they get better fleshed out, they become refined, nowadays community backlash and comments are taken into account too, but I feel like if something is meant to be a direct sequel (like what they told us Tears of the Kingdom was going to be) to something else then it should feel as though that there is some sort of continuation of the original piece, whether that's themes, gameplay, message, or even area, we don't need a new map every game, because they could just take the bones from this and refit it as they see fit.
Mind you, we have no idea the amount of time post-BotW this is supposed to be, but in playing an RPG, like you're controlling Link, fundamentally you ARE Link, BotW showed us the land of Hyrule post Calamity and we had the chance to explore and see everything that has resulted from it and even finding stuff entirely unrelated, but as Link, we didn't know ANYTHING, we literally had to trigger specific memories as our character to like have all that knowledge again, and now in the sequel we're playing as Link trying to again deal with some Ganon Doomsday crap, but having to take into strides whatever else is new to his home which he lived in for so long and was so familiar with, at this point he's regained his sense of self and familiarity so now he just has to adapt to what's new and add that to his already crazy wide ranging kit
I beat link to the past over and over again as a
I don’t know how people here react on things of the artbook but want to share something sort and know what y’all think so
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There’s something resembling an outfit by the looks of it, of a previous iteration of Link.
I think to be specific, Link from ALttP and Links awakening.
It’s like a “bighead” outfit. And it’s called “the hero of dreams”. This particularly makes you connect it directly to Links awakening.
Speaking on who or what will we see make a return from previous games, like previous bosses etc, what if this outfit is connected to such things? What if it’s able to place link in a dream world of some sort? I mean it’s not a dlc outfit I think because it’s in the main artbook, but it just seems weird for a big bobble head like outfit to be in the game for link to fight in. Very curious to me🤔
Mortal draw on darknuts is OP
Regarding reusing music tracks, each Zelda game has its own instrument that's the focus of the soundtrack, botw being the piano. So it's disappointing to hear they're not changing the core instrument? Hopefully the music will pull a fast one and start the same but then turn into a new arraignment?
maybe its just me, I must admit I have not kept up with all of the latest theory crafting here on RUclips...
But I've been playing BOTW since launch day for over 600 hours and It just seemed obvious since my 1st step into Faron that the Zonai had more to do with the story than we were being led to belive in BOTW.
Now, folks that are much more steeped in the lore (like you folks having this podcast) has theroy crafted the idea that the Zonai will be featured more prominently in TOTK and so far you have been correct! That said, even a casual fan could see from playing BOTW, just like I did, that "something is going on here with the Zonai" It is just so plain to see.
I wanna speak on Majora's Mask 3D and just say that after I did Woodfall I put the game down I have no idea who thought it was a good idea to assassinate Deku movement lol absolutely insane then I heard that they made Twinmold and Zora swimming worse so glad I just made the right call lol
Zelda youtubers should prepare for the broader audience’s reception. Most people will simply evaluate the game based on what it brings to the table in 2023.
Imo Zelda RUclipsrs aren’t gonna care about the wider audience reception because we’ll just wanna talk about the stuff we wanna talk about, we don’t evaluate review scores and stuff, just the lore and interesting bits in the games :))
What I'm wondering is if you can replace the ends of fused weapons, what happens to the replaced piece? Does it get destroyed? Does it drop to the ground? If it does drop, will they revert to their original size? If they do, Link will be able to carry boulders and logs around in his inventory as fused weapons and drop them by fusing again.
My first Zelda was Zelda 2. It will always hold a special place in my heart, and I never fully understood the hate it got, but it's not my favorite Zelda. That's a toss-up between A Link to the Past and Breath of the Wild.
Also, wait, what?? A Link to the Past is considered hard???
the brightness in majora's mask 3ds exists because it's a frigging handheld game, it needs to be bright because of the tiny screen. imagine playing majora's mask on 3ds with the brightness of the original. it would be unplayable.
Skill issue
shrines do not need to be longer. i’ve been playing the second wind mod and the devs put a lot of work into extending the shrines and adding more puzzles, but playing it actually it feels like, man these shrines are not meant to be time commitments. messes with the pacing of exploration. although i agree divine beasts are short
Yeah the biggest concern for me regarding Tears of the Kingdom is that it will undermine the appeal of Botw. Majora's mask has such a different atmosphere and world compared to ocarina, but totk so far doesn't seem to have a distinct atmosphere compared to botw
So so stuff seemed so on the nose. I didn’t even think anything of it when the name showed up for the charge.
nintendo black crisis is the funniest name ive ever heard
During the content drought I'm surprised more people didn't talk about the attempt to end the cycle of gannondorfs return.
you cant the tri-force wont let him. the goddess "Nintendo" is benevolent to all there creations
@@goldenshatter Lol, I've just been wondering about the set up with the divine beast and the convivence of calamity Gannon's location. It's like the whole place was made to farm gannon every time he popped back up
I want to challenge you Ratatoskr. You have said many times that you miss the music of older dungeons in the Zelda series. I, however, think that the 4 dungeon themes we do get in botw are some of the best songs in the series, my personal favorite dungeon themes. I challenge you to listen to the divine beat themes in their entirety. They are different from one another. The games issue lies solely in dynamically adding layers to the songs as you activate terminals. Listen to those full layers in their entirety. I believe that the implementation is the issue, and not the compositions themselves. I just wanted to point that out as in past videos you seem to suggest that the songs themselves are worse than the previous dungeon themes, which I think is a misguided opinion, formulated because of the games poor showcase of its actual music.
Games cost over $100 US back in the day, taking inflation into account. I’d be fine with $70 (only paid $50 with a digital voucher, though.)
Nintendo did used to produce a power console. GameCube was more powerful than the PS2, but it didn’t sell as well. That’s when their focus shifted away from graphics.
The "it's a great game just nit a great zelda game" makes perfect sense and I don't get why people say it doesn't. Like imagine if you make a blt. Bacon lettuce tomato, maybe a bit of salt and pepper and mayo. Now instead of mayo you use mustard, you add some pickles. It's still an alright sandwich but it's not a blt anymore.
Didn't we already see three items fused together? I also think we will be traveling, on land, in the air, underground, and through time.
Those aren't consumables, though. Fuse is for combining consumables. Ultra Hand is for connecting objects in your environment.
While I see the arguments that TotK could make BotW feel ‘obsolete’, I think it’ll feel more like BotW will be the prologue and TotK the epic main story. The champion will fully and completely realize his abilities and his ultimate path
Also why would they possibly rethink the shrines and reskin the in a Zonai aesthetic but then have the Sheikah shrine theme playing? That’s completely backward and counter to the entire OST treatment and philosophy observed in BotW and thus far in TotK
I feel like I'm the only person who's favorite Zelda is Phantom Hourglass 😢