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Pinpointing POWER CREEP with PM1!!! [FEH]
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- Has power creep gotten worse? How does this year compare to last, and why does it feel FEH feel overwhelming at times?
#feh #fireemblem #fireemblemheroes
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⌛Timestamps
0:00 The Power Creep Timeline
1:38 The Tiki Tally
3:02 March - Gen 6 vs Gen 7
8:53 April - Gen 6 vs Gen 7
15:12 May - Gen 6 vs Gen 7
23:58 June - Gen 6 vs Gen 7
34:36 July - Gen 6 vs Gen 7
42:35 August - Gen 6 vs Gen 7
51:46 Unit Comparison Gen 6 vs Gen 7
52:56 Skill Creep Gen 6 vs Gen 7
54:47 Skill Comparison Gen 6 vs Gen 7
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🎶 Music
Hajimari no Kiseki - The Destination of Fate
Ys IX - Glessing Way!
Trails of Cold Steel 4 - To the Future
Trails of Cold Steel 3 - Spiral of Erebos
Ys VIII - Sunshine Coastline
Tokyo Xanadu - My Blaze, My Truth
Trails of Cold Steel 2 - To A Glimmering Tomorrow
Trails of Cold Steel - Atrocious Raid
Nayuta no Kiseki - Snowbound Sacred Mountain
Ys Memories of Celceta - The Foliage Ocean in Celceta
Ao no Kiseki - Concentrate All Firepower!!
Zero no Kiseki - Inevitable Struggle
Ys vs Sora no Kiseki - D.A.Y. Break
Ys Seven - Innocent Primeval Breaker
Brandish Dark Revenant - Headless
Ys I & II Chronicles - To Make the End of Battle
Vantage Master Portable - And Down a New Road
Zwei The Ilvard Insurrection - A Prayer to Espina
Copyright© Nihon Falcom Corporation
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Your content is like a burst of sunshine in my subscription feed.
thank you so much for the kind words! these are so much work, and i'm glad you're enjoying it.
@@FEHok but like for a community and game that a lot would consider pretty small, (talking about FEH exclusively and not all of fire emblem) , I appreciate the amount of work and effort both you and a lot of the other fehtubers put into your videos. They're always edited soo nicely and are always aesthetically pleasing to look at.
THE TRAILS MUSIC YOOOOOOO
Okay, pausing the video to talk about this cause I'm so glad you guys brought this up.
Regarding the discussion on whether or not SD is "F2P friendly", I think what REALLY annoys me about defenders trying to act like the mode is "F2P friendly" is that they are using the wrong terminology to describe how F2P players can get into the mode.
Rather than using "F2P friendly", they should be using "F2P viable" as the term to better describe the environment of that mode. Cause yes, F2P players can do really well in that mode, but as PM1 said, you pretty much need to be a tryhard to do well cause not every F2P player are willing to use their supply of orbs just to get fodder that is the missing piece to make a team synergistic for SD. In this sense, SD is no more F2P viable in comparison to both Aether Raids and to an extent, Arena. Arena might seem like a weird one to suggest, but considering that the max orb reward is gained by staying in tier 18 and above, F2Ps are still able to get the max rewards for the most valuable reward of the bunch pretty much every time by investing in high scoring grail units alone.
Regardless, trying to act like any mode in FEH is "F2P friendly" that isn't story modes or special maps is a pointless discussion, as IS will most likely never make a "competitive" mode that's "F2P friendly", so long as they continue to sell the banners, bundles, and FEH subscription the way they have. I seriously don't get why people like to act as if IS isn't trying to make you spend on this game when talking about how all of the modes are design specifically.
I wish everyone could see this comment because I agree with everything you said.
A lot of those defenders are not F2P themselves so they don't even have that perspective. Acting like everyone will invest time and orbs on a mode that doesn't even give back orbs is crazy, not even considering that this is a mobile game. People want to summon for characters they like, not skills for functions on an SD team. You don't need to tryhard when you summon on every banner, but they act like it's a skill issue on the F2P part.
One hour of Fehology and PM1, good way to spend my morning LOL
Thank you for the kind words and the excellent units to review 😊
@@FEH Always a pleasure.
DC has Batman and Superman, Marvel has Iron Man and Captain America, FEH has Fehology and PM1. Love the collaboration of not only the best FEHTubers, but best RUclipsrs.
Easy must-summon and whale to +10 for this Harmonic Duo of Fehology/PM1!
thank you so much for all of your kind words and comments and help in getting these videos out. i really appreciate it.
I still think Heidr is the best mythic in the game. The fact she can turn absolute losses to clear wins is fantastic and hit and run with her is just so easy to do. Shes starting to pick up steam for players now but she was insane at release.
Agreed. She debuffs with guard and Gold Serpent is absolutely broken. She keeps my OG!Nino (Mag NF) super relevant in the meta.
if she is sooo good then why dont i have her? 🥲🥲🥲
Me: About to go eat lunch
Fehology: Drops an hour long video
Me: How does he time releasing these videos so perfectly!?!
It's almost like I timed it that way. 😁
Watching Fomo quad Summer Fjorm is all I ever needed in life 😢
Fomo hitting multiple times just feels so mean. It’s awesome.
Just a note; at 51:50 CYL6 and CYL7 are listed as Gen 6 and Gen 7, however that isn't correct. Those banners marked the start of the next BST gen, so it would be more accurate to put Brave Seliph/Chrom in the Gen 7 list and exclude Corrin/Soren (as they mark the start of BST gen 8)
you are correct. i cheated a little bit because i thought it would capture the year better making the CYL units the finale as opposed to the beginning.
Lol, the first gen 8 unit is Cyril
So amazing having PM1 here!! I really enjoy your guys' banter. And ofc the content discussed and depth was very insightful and interesting. Really enjoyed this!
This truly is the era of skill inheritance and complexity.... I wonder if it would be trickier to choose the Top 5 Best Skills of this year, or the Top 5 Worst Skills?
Nudge was much earlier than Gen 6. Summer Hilda had it
Oops. You are so right. I had to look up and compile all this stuff by hand, so it’s probably not my only mistake.
@@FEH FWIW, removing Nudge doesn't make the skill-creep any less dominant. 😄
It’s hard to put into words how awesome this video is. Can’t wait for more!
I've recently came back to FEH and discovered your channel a while ago. Both you and PM1 are some of the greatest FEH creators out there and have been really helpful in getting me back on track in this game. Both of you, keep up the great content!
Thank you so much and welcome back to the game!!
My two favorite FeH RUclipsrs
Man, comparing all forms of FEH meta shifts across Gen 6-7 was really interesting to look back on and see what stood out.
As PM1 mentioned, the complexity creep is getting a bit overwhelming to take in.
Interesting video and this well worth sitting down and listening for 1 hour.
Finished the video and it was really good! I don't agree with some specific "Tiki" ratings (I think some of the 1 star ratings should have been 2 or 3 stars, like the character batch with Spr!Karla for example), but on the whole, I definitely agree that the "powercreep" definitely lied a bit more towards skills (which not necessarily a bad thing, but with how fast banners come out, it's just too overwhelming, especially for new players).
And you pretty much hit the nail on the head on that FEH is just not an easy game to get into as a new player. Comparison might not be the most useful to help explain this, but I think it can still be useful. So with that said, if we compare FEH to two other gacha games that I also play a lot, Genshin and Star Rail, those two games have a massive casual fanbase and still remain popular (or in the case of Star Rail, becoming popular as it's still new), and it's thanks in part because they are games that are really friendly towards casual players (to the point that hardcore players complain about a "lack of content" in their own words in regards to Genshin lmao). And when you look at those games, I think the answer is pretty simple: FEH really needs some permanent single player modes that are a lot more engaging compare to what we have now (and not make then event only like Seer's Snare) or at the very least make some massive updates to existing single player modes to make them better. Like I can see a mode like Rival Domains being really fun if there was a lot more depth to it for example. It is possible that the game design space for FEH makes it hard for the developers to do so without serious effort, time, and money, and I suspect that FEH is a game that they don't want to dump too much resources into, which is unfortunate. Also, I've heard from many people that used to play FEH but not anymore that they stopped playing because after they decided to not play competitively anymore, they just found the game too boring in the end, so again, a need for more engaging single player modes. In the mean time though, a good start at least would be adding a co-op mode of some sort (and one that it is good) which, while I doubt such a thing will bring in new players, co-op modes do tend to be something that casual players are more likely to get into. Also, this is probably something that is never going to change, but it will still help to make FEH more casual friendly so I'll say it anyways, but IS REALLY needs to reduce the amount of banners the game gets each year. I can not begin to tell you how much of a turn off the speed of banners releasing is for casual players, and again showcasing why games like Genshin and Star Rail are more casual friendly. In fact, I've seen casual players of Genshin, though rare, complain about the speed of the banners and reruns released in that game, and that game release banners at a snails pace! I can't imagine how they would feel playing FEH. lol
Nice to see a fellow feh / star rail player , I feel like its too late for Feh to slow down on banners and I don't think they will stray away from their current formula, I tryed to make a new feh account a few months ago and it's terrible, i would never start the game over, Too many outdated and useless currencies that gatekeep the progress of new players,leveling is too slow , sp grind is slow , you dont have enough stamina pots , all in all i would not recommand Feh to anyone starting out. It is a huge downgrade from the experience i have on my main account. I think we should be more demanding as players.
Honkai Star Rail is really fun, and it keeps getting better with every update.
We've got the iconic duo for yet another FEH Collab. Boy, it feels good to play FEH sometimes.
Thank you for the kind words. I definitely love this game.
Great analysis overall.
My one gripe was with May Gen 6: 1 star for both the units and skills really seems unfair imo.
- Units: L!Myrhh's Warp Bubble is proving to age very well with all the warping shenanigans the meta has pushed, and she's certainly a better frontliner than Gatekeeper (before remix), she can equip A/R Scowl and DC(D) SS and become really hard to kill with the right support. While I agree F!Rhea isn't the best savior, she's still usable in some modes like AA and LHB; same for B!Roy. This fallen banner also included F!Lilith which became SD influential for half a year specially for raid boss teams thx to her warping and NFU support.
- Skills: Def/Res Unity is top tier for saviors (specially far saviors) with L!Robin support; Spd Smoke 4 is still very solid for Spd omnitanks who don't rely on TP 4 like Lucia, the Alears and non-infantry units like Eitr; and Still Water has use on some support/debuff units with visible Res comparisons like Seidr and Y!Mark, and also for AoE builds like S!Thor, horse Lilinas, etc. Still Water + A/R Sabotage really makes any other mage flyer with or without Guidence 4/Soaring Guidence usable: SIvy, S!Thor, B!Micaiah, Aversa, Plumeria, Peony, S!Est, B!Sophia, Morgan(F), AD!Camilla, etc...
I agree with all of this, but keep in mind star ratings are relative. This is a comparison of months as opposed to an absolute value.
This was uploaded in my Sleep but I watch or listen to this on the train to and from where I live.
Ayyyy this should be FUN! Will reply as i watch :)
First note: harmo tiki id say goes over b!corrin. Your unit has to beat down tiki, while the game mode beats down corrin lol
Everyone is sleeping on Brave Robin for his Rally Spectrum. As a combination with Legendary Robin (M) and Legendary Guinivere it has allowed my Echidna to loop Aethers like it was Moonbow in Summoner Duels.
Personally I feel like as long as the meta leans so heavily into red that Brave Dimitri probably won't be falling off (generally). Also I feel like Freyr bumps his month up to 5*. You said it yourself, so many defense teams changed to fit him in and he opens up a bunch of different strategies. And Summer Fjorm came out that month, yes we have a bunch of sword omnitanks already but she's still (one could argue) the best one so far.
LET'S GOOO THE COLLAB WE ALWAYS WANTED REALLY SUCH TWO AWESOME FEHTUBERS! :D💖💞
Thank you for alll the top tier content u put out for us Joel I really appreciate it so much like it's so much love and thoughts and ideas went to this video and each one I'm so glad to see ur growth sprout and I hope it continues that way cause man u really deserve it u work so hard despite being a father and husband so yeah I really appreciate u and ur dedication!
Keep being a ray of sunshine like always cause u are really so awesome! :D
Also btw do u edit on ur ipad or like ur pc since I'm getting either a ipad soon or a laptop for art and since I'm graphic design collegue so yeah but which do u recommend more since if I'm gonna go with a laptop those surfaces are really good but abit expensive tbh! Just asking since I'm curious since I heard there's lot of great editing software out there on the ios!
Also I agree duo ymir is so underated like I use her each season and she puts in so much work she's really amazing! And with maria support and heithr she's unstoppable!
Thank you so much. You’re making me mist up 🥺
I would definitely recommend a laptop. Tablets are amazing at content consumption, but struggle with creation
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PM1: "it gives no orbs man!"
PM1 truly understands, this is the reason my DChrom still has Guard 3 on his B lmao.
So you’re saying we need more orb rewards? 😁
@@FEH Oh yes, I would guarantee you SD would be less dead if so 😀
On a side note, running into old FEH Meta discourse is always funny
I'll be watching some video discussing the main series from a few years ago, and inevitably someone will bring up the then-new FEH units. Someone will always be gushing about how good Brave Eliwood is and how he kills literally everything or something.
And we can all thank Fallen Edelgard for changing the unit build philosophy from "Is this unit good?" to "Can this unit beat the flavor-of-the-month?"
Great video! Can’t wait for next year’s powercreep video😁
Hopefully, I’ve got some good stuff in between the 2 🤪
"It gives no orbs, man!"
- PM1, 2023😂
I can definitely attest to pm1’s point about the switch from end turn to galeforce. The thing that made me stop plonking units down was the release of embla and I finally built my first galeforce team with Lseliph and velouria. Ever since it feels weird to end turn against a defense unless it’s something new like a cool vantage build or sonething
LETS GOOO the second pm1 and fehology collab, we love to see it
What is the first one please.
I understood 50% of this.
I only summon characters i like...
Anybody remember when OG takumi and hector were meta for simply having close and distant counter and the fact you couldn’t transfer skills? Yep, good times…
Honestly, regarding "complexity creep", IS should just modernize the game and start introducing keywords. It baffles me that after 7 long years I still have to read crap like "neutralizes effects that guarantee foe's follow-up attacks and effects that prevent unit's follow-up attacks during combat." in weapons. Dude, just tell me "Grants [Null Follow-Up]" and then at the bottom tell me what it does, like they already do for some other effects. Also introducing bullet points instead of long descriptions would facilitate by a lot the comprehension of the skills, like PM1 himself already does in his videos. It's tiresome and confusing to have a weapon description that occupies the whole screen and that says "grants special acceleration (cooldown -1). grants atk/spd/def/res +5, then it does this, then it does that, then if you do this you get this other effect (explanation of the effect), then if (further explanation of the condition) you get yada yada yada". It would be so much easier for them to design effects and even easier for us to just understand the game we're playing.
Seriously, why aren't they doing this?
They just need to do that and add an online instructions manual with all the rules like in a TCG. They already have Sharena's website. That would make the game much easier to follow for anyone who knows at least a bit of the mechanics. Then for any obscure effects, they can just link to the manual.
It's crazy how this channel is so focused on a Nintendo gacha but jams out with Falcom music. Truly legendary tbh
Absolutely amazing video! Very fun discussion from 2 of the best fehtubers
Thank you so much. I really appreciate all the support.
With all the new skills I feel like I can't keep up
The year feels like we get 2 lvl 4 skills per banner. Also Freyr should not exist
Oh my gawd! The iconic duo!😱
Thank you for the kind words. 😊
2:26 Couple time ago, Edelgard alts were the way FEH players measured tier list. And here we are, 2023 and Tiki fits better this role.
Tier 0: This Legendary/Mythic banner called "Most Epic Collab Ever". Definitely I'm gonna pull and try a +10.
And now we have Wind Claude, who's the closest we've ever gotten to "If unit initiates combat, foe dies instantly."
No Pegasus flight 4 listed among the Gen 7 new skills.
Looking at the skill comparation chart really helps put things into perspective. I hate the current state of the game with speed being the only stat that matters. I wish we'd get as many skills for other stats as we do for Spd or Atk/Spd. Like were are Atk/Res/Def Preempt? Atk/Def/Res Inf. Tactics? Any combination of Def Cantrip, or any other Dance 4, or Hexablades, or Flash Sparrow, or Distant Solo, Snags 4, or even the old forgotten Breazen 4? So many potential wasted due to the meta overreliant on the speed stat.
Even skills that had nothing to do with speed, like NCD, Guard Bearing, or Disarm Trap, are getting Spd Rein added just because the stat is that important.
It's also been 7 years and we still have no inheritable skills that compare the def stat, and only ploys and dragon exclusive skills do that for res.
I think it's great that IS chose to creep but skills rather than units. Means my OG Olivia has more life to her!
The most meta influential unit by far this year is simply Legendary Robin. Robin proves what I've been telling people for a long time. Stats aren't everything, but if you can overwhelm your opponent through stats alone nothing will ever break you. If you did not have him on your team and the enemy did, they can easily overwhelm you in stats alone. On top of the fact that he just doesn't have any counters. IS made sabotage, and penalty doubler effects, but the problem with them vs Grand Strategy/Unity effects is they have a x2 multiplier. That means not only do they scale exponentially higher, but it also means alone they are worthless. You need to have both to even try and even the playing field. That means you require 2 supports just to counter what 1 support can do.
This easily became IS's worst addition to the game. It's so bad people actually want penalty negation on their opponent. He pretty much started this trend of units that are true must-haves. Never in years prior have I felt a single character was a pure necessity to have til Robin. No matter how good a nuke or tank was they were never needed to summon for out of necessity. A support unit on the other hand is very different when they're this blatantly oppressive. Now of course we have Brave Robin who's just as much of a problem as Legendary Robin was. Cause of course he is. I would have loved it if Brave Robin came with [Counter Strategy] which nullifies effects that gain bonuses off of penalties. Would have been perfect to get something like that. Instead we get twice the same problem we had before. I can't even kill my 2 BRobin's for gambit for my favorites cause I already know the moment I do I'll regret it. When a game that has historically been all about building up favorites no longer is about favorites. That's a problem. It's like the devs forgot they're making a casual mobile game, not a heccin' E-Sport sweatier than Apex.
Last year tally was Edelgard.
I’m sure Legendary corrin will come with a water terrain or something maybe it heals Allies and slows down enemies
I would love if they gave L!Corrin a divine vein!!
Yeah, they definitely did forget about certain skills. Like, where is Mirror Surge?! Still waiting lmao
The *only* place I’ve found that I really like tier 4 rouse is atk/spd rouse 4 is on my summoner build for running the top half of mjolnir strike.
Nice video to listen to on my way home , in retrospect i find myself having gotten all of the heroes from gen 6 and 7 but having built only a handful with the rest still at level 1, the game is becoming increasingly harder for me personally to play , after quitting aether raids last year I can only find it in myself to log in for 5 minutes a day for this reason I heavily invested into a good auto battle team(Legendary Leif , Summer Ephraim , and super bulky Legendary Ninian and Duo Azura ), Im still waiting for my Resplendent Olivia and Marisa while beeing 55 heroes short in the catalogue, getting a 5 star for the 5000th time doesn't feel as exciting anymore but I am totally fine with it , because this game is still super generous and makes it really easy to get any character you want , my problem is wanting all of them 😂, Too invested to quit, too dried up to play. Can we please get a good Sharena Alt or Merges for the Askr Trio.
I hope this becomes a yearly thing.
This is the third year in a row, and I enjoy them every time
Flared Sparrow is funny case, is literally an one of a kind skill.
Other skills that are locked out of Infantry is because they're very clearly themed around a movement type, or because the skill it's so specific in their distribution.
Flared Sparrow is the first skill that looks like a normal skill that is actually locked out from Infantry.
Even if it was locked out too them its not like infantry are starving for skills.
@@AceBountyHunterRex Yeah, I just think is funny.
What do you think they’ll do with future divine vein skills?
Next year tally will be Chrom.
29:30 Summer Ephraim is an excellent galeforcer though?
OH LETS GO
Always fun to get to chat with PM1 😊
PM1 really just skipped discussing Roy.. that's how weak Bridal Roy is..
all this bad talk about brave tiki. Why is nobody pointing out byleth flaws? she lacks piercing, sustain and cant make use of many good skills infantry can cuz of her flier banes. If people talk badly about tiki thats ok but throw bylethin there too, she aint much better
@@HisCoconutGun if only others had the same opinion
I think people talk more about Brave Tiki because Byleth will just get more alts. Wedding Tiki could be the last Grown Tiki alt unless they can find another way to shoehorn kid Tiki with her.
@@Tarantulawlthey could make fallen adult Tiki where she's possessed by young Tiki 🤮
It’s cause people were pissed that the first adult tiki alt in years ended up still being related to young tiki. Tiki fans just wanted something not young tiki related, but got stuck with the gremlin still. I think that had a major reason as to why there was more hate for brave tiki, at least byleth alt looks alright, brave tiki just got done dirty, at least in my opinion.
@@orvaldurgumundson1809 don't give them ideas
I haven’t played in like 4 years and wanted to pick it back up, my best unit is a +10 nowi. Are all my units basically useless now? Would it be best to just start a new account at this point?
It depends on what makes you happy with the game. With all the new fodder, it’s never been more possible to make your favorites work. Nowi can be a really good tank.
On the other hand, if you like playing with the latest and greatest toys, you’ll probably want to start over.
Let me know what you decide 😊
@@FEH thanks for the response. I’m too damn sentimental over the work I put in lol. I’ll just keep the account going and try become relevant again.
I see you got a RUclips Avatar now.
That’s been there for a year and a half. You can see it in the channel icon 😊
We can only see it or your face but not the full body artwork.
I strongly disagree with a rating of 1 star on speed smoke 4. Needing one combat for it to work does hurt, but on units like Lucia and B!dimitri they can generally tank any single unit very well, but as maybe 4 or 5 attack at once they get chipped away and speed smoke 4 basically stops that happening, and in the case of dimitri especially, its extra speed points that can often make the difference between surviving or not. On top of all this, its one of the only ways to get DR on mount units.
It probably wouldnt be as influential if it wasn't a C skill, where the only other competition is oath 4 really.
Also with that month, still water while not crazy I think is definitely better than 1 star as a new option for visible stats which can bypass start of turn effects as well as boost AoE builds.
Edit: and then only 3* for atk/spd oath 4? What skills do you guys have in the C slot? Is it just canto control, guidance 4 and save skills? Bulwark in that batch I also feel was pretty influential since it allows a tanky infantry and a far save to protect all the support for that infantry without worrying so much about them being sniped, and especially limiting the options in summoner duels. But I'd agree with 3* if it was just bulwark.
Crazy idea: Since Gullveig is a thing.. what if they swap out the kid banner for a banner were the heroes are more mature?
Omg Old man Eliwood / Hector from FE6
Odd to not see fallen chrom
Gotta love how they made fallen rhea weaker bc they made fallen edelgard so stupidly strong
They need to be nicer to Rhea
Powercreep the insanity of FeH its unbalanced game now even to a point where you can't collect free orbs in peace because they keep trowing banners with all kind if units of great value fodder
u might wanna chill on the fake laughs but content wise GJ
About a year until units fall off? Uhh try 3 weeks.
I think the main things they need to do to bring in new players is A. Give a way to connect to the characters in game, that is something FEH is lacking that most other Gacahas aren't including most other IP Gachas. B. Have a co-op mode, a big part of retaining and gaining new players is community but if a lot of players are like me, and they are, they don't play any PVP modes except to get the rewards from doing them weekly than there is just a ton of content all the time. Like idk I personally rarely think about builds because most units I go for are already good prebuilt, why bother adding new skills or thinking about it when their kit works really well in all PVE content.