FREE HEAT for Our Boat! NO Extra Running Costs!
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hey everyone! i wanted to publish this video because i haven't seen this particular type of a heating system on many boats... AND it is very cheap to install and free to run (when you're motoring). The snowy conditions in the thumbnail start in the next video, which I'm already putting together, and we'll get to test this thing even more thoroughly... Thanks for watching!
It's not actually coolant at all - is it. Heat transfer fluid makes more sense - doesn't it. The radiation type heat exchanger is very effective at transferring heat over it's surface area quickly - isn't it. Very nice - share.✌️♥️👍
@@OKuusava The HTF cannot cool the engine.
Good idea I enjoy your video’s
With our frosty winters, where it sometimes gets down to 12°C we probably won't be installing one, but I often wondered about installing a car air conditioning unit to cool the boat. It was 32°C at 11pm last week. Humidity around 90%. Note that we do feel the cold even at 20°C, because you become accustomed to heat.
@@anthonyrstrawbridge I found our chandlers only sell stuff labelled "Coolant". Apparently it transfers heat from the engine to water from the sea. Who knew?
Not a mess. It's a technical area!
yeah I caught that too LOL
That’s exactly what my husband says about the top of his desk.
Like my room!
Hello Johu and Sohvi. I'm a retired sailor from the UK and now only get my sailing "fix" through RUclips sailing channels like yours. I recently discovered your channel and have binge watched all your videos from the day you found Lumi. I really like your channel and while I was very interested in the whole refit programme, I prefer videos of the actual passages and look forward to "sailing" with you from now on. I have sailed where you are now, in the Gulf Islands between Canada and Vancouver Island in 1983 and again in 1984 when I was living in Canada albeit 1000 miles from the sea! I found it to be a great leisure cruising area and had places with pretty names like Secret Cove and Birds Eye Bay. I have also sailed in your home waters of the Baltic but mainly around the Danish islands and southern Sweden. I have also sailed into Stockholm and Helsinki but that was in a cruise liner! I noted you say that sailing RUclips channels centered on southern latitudes attracts more views but many of them are just booze and bikini videos and having seen you dump the Tequila and that you intend to sail in the colder north, I'm happy to think you won't resort to that! 🤞 I'm pleased I found your channel and I hope you'll let me sail along with you. Bye, bye, John
thanks John and great to hear about your experiences! welcome along!
You are going to love that heater. One thing to keep in mind is to put the bus heater in a location that has clean air, so the fan pushes clean air through the radiator, otherwise the air coming out of the heater is going to be smelly.
yeah, i'm glad this locker and the bilge are not smelly! but definitely don't want to suck in the air directly from the engine compartment 🤓
You probably don't have to worry about cooling the Motor to much because the Motor probably will have a bimettal thermostat that just opens up the coolant loop when the minimum Temperatur has been reached. Here a Video about an yanmar Diesel as well at 4:20 it is explained in Detail ruclips.net/video/aZv4IXFPMqg/видео.html
So happy to see your staying warm, I have to tell you how refreshing it is to see your journey as the vast majority of sailing channels are of the warmer climate. I really enjoy You sharing your awesome journey ❤
Ye gods, at those temperatures your condensation issues must be monumental. Great channel! :)
Those of us that have never had boats are interested in everything. The problems like heating and cooling are interesting because we don't think of them unless we're without them.
Great video Juho and Sofvi. This trip into the Arctic will be Tremendous.
I installed a bus heater like this in my last boat and loved it! I installed it under the navigation table so the intake was drawing and reheating cabin air which made it very effective. It’s also easy to install a fan rheostat for speed control which is basically what your car has too.
Thanks!
Thanks! Thoroughly enjoying your videos!
wow, thank you so much! glad you like them!
You will love this heater! We have the same consept that was already installed in our Finish made Tristan boat when we bought it😉. Ours has 3 vents near the windows and is amazing to use in the beginning and end of each season. It's also great for removing condensation on wet summers days🙂
I love the “technical section” on your boat. I got a couple of those myself, almost identical. Great idea with the bus heater, lots of lobster boats where I live are fitted with the same. If you ever plan to come to Maine, which I doubt you are, come to North Haven Oyster Co. for all you can eat oysters! Safe travels!
Thanks!
Juho, I enjoy ALL of your videos, both sailing and DIY! You are living the dream my friend. Happy Sailing......
I mounted a simular (but way bigger) defroster on my 40ft steelboat. It was not often used in very low latitudes but I found it VERY useful when motoring in hot rivers closer in the tropics. To be able to extract HEAT when it’s very hot makes the engine (and captain) very happy :) GREAT VIDEO as usual
Did you direct pipes to a porthole?
Nice addition, make sure you get all the air out of the system.
If you need more output from the stock Yanmar alternator, you can add a manual control to bypass the internal voltage regulator. It's not hard to do. Just don't forget when you have it turned on. If you're interested, I could email how to instructions.
I am enjoying the more frequent uploading.
Sochi/Sochi:
So happy you both are safe. Interesting video on how to heat you’re sail boat in frigid temperatures.
I’m surprised your engine does not have a temperature gauge. Sohvi made a cameo appearance and that’s all most of need.
Stay safe.
It just has an overheat sensor. Most sailboats I have been on don't have temperature sensor, only overheat sensor
Installing a bus eater was one of my lockdown projects on my 42ft Beneteau. The engine is the usual VP55hp, with no header tank, and has the usual hot water heater fitter. The first decision was to fit it before the hot water heater or after. I went for after so the HW heats up first. However, this does mean we have to wait for the HW tank to heat up before we get any usable hot air. Typically this can take 1-2 hours of running, but once it's all warmed through it chucks out the heat. I have temperature gauges on the engine and seems to run at the same tamp as before.
From some research it looked like the additional coolant in the system needed a header tank, so we fitted one as well.
I ran the outlet ducting into the existing Wabasco ducting, (with a check valve) so minimal extra sound when it's running.
I noted another comment about fitting a Y valve and drawing air from the cabin or from outside, which is just what I did, add this to a full insulation project and heat/condensation is no problem. Well almost, an unexpected problem is that the 5KW Wabasco is now too big and we often get 28c in the salon, before the heater cuts out, but when it's well below zero c the Wabasco just ticks over at minimum and all is good.
We installed a similar bus heater in our Hughes 38. Ours was smaller and had a quiet single speed fan. I installed a valve between the in/out hoses to regulate how much went through or bypassed the heater. It was great to have a toasty warm cabin after we anchored. We spent 14½ years cruising those same waters year round, and a heater makes a big difference.
Another suggestion for you in regards to the heater... keep a Pipe Coupler handy in case that heater does leak. Then it's easy to bypass it. Or add a bypass valve to keep things running with heater out of the loop... No I'm not a plumber, just trying to help out. Thanks for sharing your adventure and welcome to Canada!!
Installing a temperature gauge would be an asset as you'll be able to monitor engine temperature and diagnosis of engine problems before there's a catastrophe . What sensible addition to your floating home !
Glad you made into Annette! Beautiful spot. You have been looking around my boat for a suitable location to install heater like yours! Looks like a simple install. Thanks for sharing.
Yes it matters which line is in and which is out. Look carefully at the inlet and outlet of the heater. If one of them is from the top of the heater, that is the outlet. It matters because if the bottom line it plumbed as the return, the radiator will not purge the air and you will only get a portion of the heat you should get from it.
Merci!
The slower the fan the hotter the air will be.
I so enjoy your videos
This might be a repost, I can’t find my first post. I am in Campbell River, it’s on your way north. If you want a warm shower and a stay in our guest suite it’s yours for the asking. I would be happy to pick you up and drop you off, we’re minutes from the harbour.
It would seem to me that taking your coolant after the thermostat would negate any concerns about maintaining engine temperatures. There will be no flow until the engine is up to temperature. Also, putting the heater in front of the hot water heat exchanger would significantly reduce the production of hot water. Or am I missing something? Perhaps adding either-or valves would be an idea, particularly in warmer weather.
Yes you're correct, if your thermostat works correctly then this should not have any effect on engine temperatures. If the heater fan is off then I don't think it has much effect on the water heater at all because the coolant will just flow through the pipes and won't give off much heat. I know some people in warm climates have installed valves to bypass the heater during summer months but I think it's unnecessary (even in a warmer place)
@@AlluringArctic seems if you plumbed it from the water heater return line then no matter what it won't effect water heater temperature. But if it's on the incoming line, then yes.
We have a boiler with a heat exchanger that uses the engine coolant. In our case that boiler produces really hot water, much warmer than the hot water at home. Reducing that heat by making the coolant flow through the fan heater first would not be a problem.
Beautiful anchorage! The heater is a good addition to the boat, as keeping the boat dry is a real challenge in cold, damp climates.
Yes, it is a heat exchanger, there are also some made for a fireplace. You may decide to install 2 or three of them in parallel
Glad to hear the heater is working fairly well for you guys.
Great episode. I tore out the leaky old bus heater in my boat and looking for a replacement- thx for the reminder to get to it! I like the suggestion to replace the fan with a low amp computer fan.
Heat! Interesting system. Like an auxiliary radiator. Good information. Welcome to your first anchorage in Canada! Bienvenue (from Québec!). 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
When your cold, you will take heat wherever you can get it. So glad making progress. Be safe
Thank you for coming to visit Canada 🇨🇦!
When we were building our old boat We scored a few motorbike radiators and put them in a box with 12V computer fans. Also installed 3 alternators 1 for 24V houshold, 1 for the 12V household and 1, 12V for the starter battery. In the boat we used those " english" wall socket so all appliances got the same connector without the risk for the wrong voltage or polarity. ( conector fit just in one way in the connector, the 12V and 24V sharded the same ground on the engine.)
Thank you for the great Video, I realy Like the mixture of sailing, refit and practical tipps. That helps us a lot.
😘 More Sofvi please, but good job on combining changing coolant and install heater all at once. until next video smooth sailing my friend...
I have seen this on a lot of boats , some of them have small radiators in each room that run hot water in a loop for the system, also it can be plumped to your hot water heater so at dock your making hot water and heating your boat ? I guess for a winter boat it’s a must !
Boat looks great. The restoration was phenomenal, It’s one of your first, I recommend follower’s go view it.
Wish I had found this channel a couple months ago. I live in the Seattle area and would have loved to pop over to Neah Bay and say hello. I know you're way up in AK now, so stay warm and enjoy the skiing!
Love the lines on the new Boat. I loved the tank you started this channel on but this one is yours. I'm not a huge cold weather lover and not even a big sailor but when the water is in your blood the respect is all the same. You've got a great channel and I sure hope it does exactly what you wish. Regardless y'all are living that not always easy but very envious life and it shows. Good sailing to both of you.
Hello, if you allow me to give you an advice, try to adapt some air filter close to the air intake of the heater, it will be a pain in the neck when you will need to clean the dirty radiator, you can build some kind of wooden box to fix the air filter on the back of the heater fan. Sorry for my english.
This is a good idea actually, a big simple filter would be nice. I can imagine this can gather a lot of dust and I would have to unmount it to clean it!
VERY interesting and insightful. Thank you for sharing your amazing experiences. I'm so glad I discovered you and subscribed yesterday. Best wishes from England ... 🇬🇧
Glad to get a new video thanks friends safe travels always
Staying dry is a challenge when the outside gets quite cold. Many people are discovering this right now in their homes on their windows during the severe cold snap we are experiencing.
a fantastic addition to any boat. I installed one on my beneteau 352 and it keeps the cabin at a comfy 20-24c while the motor is running. On the 352 it is a very easy install in the same area as the hot water tank, almost as if they had intended to add one and forgot
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a circulating pump, and fluid to air heat exchanger......it looks like the collector could easily fit on the cabin top somewhere.....use cold compatible heat transfer fluid.
Hello, I guess you can call me a land lover, but I still enjoy your videos. I watch every day. Thank you so much. Good information. Be careful.😊
My boat had two big ones in the cockpit for cruising in cold climates with two fans on each one. First boat I've seen with them in the cockpit. I took one out to put inside also! there engine heated also. I have a kabola hydronic diesel heater that does the water heater and all the boat also. A great system!
It's not free heat, but collecting the heat you pay for when motoring. A very intelligent addition.
Hello..!! I have installed some of these, and have always mounted an easily accessible valve on the inlet of the heater. Some have also swapped the switch for a stepless variant.
This is some new meaning of the term "Free" I wasn't previously aware of :p
Thank you for mention it ,i was thinking same ,, hes non english speaking citizen so free as probably a new dimension to him here
Yeah -- free relative to another form of heating, maybe? How much electricity would it take to get the same BTUs?
Great video! I was checking my boat today for water heater and warm air heater installation. You answered some of my questions.
That’s a great idea. I don’t know why people haven’t done this before!❤
Welcome to Canada, enjoy your stay.
That's a great heater to have while you're motoring.... But what do you use when you're at anchor?... Do you have a wood or propane stove?.... I know I would..
I just love this channel! You guys are great!
If you have a dry cupboard i would pipe a ducting to the cupboard that will dry it quick if its a dry cupboard. Use a Y duct to take a duct off to different areas of the boat.
we actually have an existing ducting for the forced air diesel heater, we could duct into that in the future. Right now no time for that, busy sailing ;)
Sure would seem a good idea to install a temperature gauge.
I found this video very interesting. I really appreciate you trying to accommodate all of your audience's interests.
Always great videos. That heater looks very similar to that used in old Austin Mini's, one thing of which is that it *does* matter which way you plumb in the heater pipes.
Our Mini only ever blew _warm_ air, not HOT like it really should, until I flipped the pipes so that coolant flowed in through the bottom connection and out through the upper one.
It turns out that the 'normal' way around forces an airlock into the top of the heater, making it perform poorly as it was only half working. Flipping the hoses drastically improved this.
It may eventually collect some sediment in there, but that takes literally years of neglect to happen, so the overall benefit far outweighs this very minor con.
Thanks for sharing and enjoy all of your videos ❤❤❤
My fathers 38’ boat on Lake Superior had one of these decades ago and also a standalone diesel heater. Lots of 100mi+ trips in near freezing and occasionally below weather. Heaters were not just nice to have, they were life critical sometimes. The radiator heater worked like a champ. Stand-alone drew too much battery and didn’t output the BTUs…it was not used often
Nice work. Enjoyed your presentation. Good health to you!
Thanks for sharing.
Great video, and the information on the heater. Take care, all the best, and God bless.
For what you guys are doing, this is a good thing. The more ways to make heat the better. As for the amp draw, on the low setting i doubt it pulls 10 amps, the 10 amp spec is more than likely if you have it on high, Use a clamp on amp meter on any wiring to see amps are drawn for sure, they don't cost much, and is a good thing to have on your boat. It also doubles as a clothes dryer, so a pretty good deal! 😄
yes, you're correct, not sure if i mentioned it but it's 10 amps at full fan speed. 4 amps at minimum.. we have a clamp-on meter :)
You are absolutely correct. The key to keeping condensation down is to move warm air around the boat. I don’t use my boat here in Alaska during the winter months but I do keep a small box heater inside and try to keep the interior at about 55°. I end up with zero condensation and very little mold at all.
You said that the heater you installed pulls 10 A, is that even on the low setting? The found that it has is called a “squirrel cage fan“ but I wasn’t aware that they pull that many amps. I have three cabin fans on my boat and even on a high-speed setting, they only pull 1.5 A each!
hi wade! It pulls 4 amps on low, 7 A on medium, 10 A on max :)
@@AlluringArctic good to know that. I’ve been thinking of installing one on my boat to use when I’m running the engine but I’m not so sure my system could handle that extra draw on the alternator. I also run a vent fan for my engine compartment while the engine is running, and it pulls about the same amount of amps. Besides, I have one of those Dickinson diesel heaters that I can run, while I motoring, or on the Anchor, and it does a perfectly good job. I can’t run it while I’m sailing because the boat heels to the side and the diesel needs to burn in the middle of the heater on the inside.
Hi Juho, thanks for the VLogs - love your approach. I wanted to comment on your choice of music during the early parts of this video (eerie/haunting slide guitar?) it reminds me of another of my favourite cold climate Vlogers 'My Self Reliance'' - music and log cabin building freom scratch (no words) - also in Canada. You might like it. 🙂
It, is a fine video , thanks for showing us the heater and not footage of either flesh or food like most of the
Other channels do, I guess that the new heater will rob some of the heat from the calorimeter but no system is without a down side .
I still think you bonkers sailing in such cold conditions but its great to watch from my cosy armchair !
you can replace the fans with quiet computer fans that move more volume with way less noise. The pitch of the blades make a big difference. They also can use much less amps.
That's a great idea! Plus the permanant magnet motors in those fans not only are more efficient, they will likely last far longer
@@jonathangehman4005 You are right, I've a 12v computer fan that so far has been running continuously for 13 years ventilating a compost toilet.
It's nice to read " our boat" in stead of "my boat!" 😂 I am really enjoying this vlog!!! Stay safe!!!!👍👍
4:15 Technical area, classic :D. I have a bunch of those.
This is awesome! I've been recently looking into water-heat-pumps (like an ilmalämpöpumppu but for water) might be something interesting for you too.
Great video!
There are Chinese diesel heaters available for fairly cheap that can operate on 12volt. People are using them for heating vehicles, garages etc. They cost about $150 and you can use mix half of fuel tank with used motor oil to save money and it burns clean. It could be another option. If you google Chinese diesel heater you'll find lots of info on them. Cheers.
Love you guys , and enjoy all videos you create , they are all good mechanical or sailing and they are all apart of the sailing life and repair and up grades are always need to be high on the list....Love both of you and the adventures getting back home.
Curious, did you ever make videos of the repairs necessary for the prop shaft seal and squeaky centreboard, if not can you post here what the fixes were.
You stole my line ... my life's moto ....
"as usual, I have no idea what I'm doing!" but as usual, everything is turning out perfectly. Sail on, and on!
I JUST LOVE YOUR VID POASTS. they bring light into darkness. for me!
thank you for this interresting video. It is really a very clever idea. your channel is the most inspiring channel for me.
Usually we use the engine cooling loop to heat water in the hot water tank rather than for buss heat. How do you get hot water?
You should also consider to watch out for air bubbles you might have brought into your cooling system during the construction. This might cause local overheating of your engine during the first test drives if you’d go for full throttle right away and besides you should check the coolant level regularly for the first few days of use. Once any remaining air is finally blown out, the coolant level will be accordingly lower then. Have a nice trip!
Right on you 2 are back on the water. Man i live in Sacramento. I wanted to go to SF so bad and meet you 2 darn it. Now your gone Darn it. Well awesome i am so happy for you 2 to own your own boat. I have watching Salt & Tar. They made it to Mexico. Do you guys talk to them and keep in touch ?
Nice work Juho!
Hello Juho and Sofvi, yes I am interested in your heating systems, "ones that work". interestingly everyone who needs heating in their boat uses more than one means of heating. Oh yes also watch to see Sofvi sunbaking on the deck ..... hahaha .... but seriously I am planning to do something similar to the NW Passage.
Probably mentioned before but that has saltwater flowing through it so it could corrode and that will just pump water all over. So i think you should put two ball valves in and two tee's so you can bypass it if you spring a leak... cheap insurance...love the show
He is using the coolant lines which do not have salt water in them. It has a heat exchanger.
Have you considered having two separate coolant loops, one for the engine and one for the hot water heater and air heater, and connecting them via a coolant heat exchanger? Then, the engine could maintain its temperature and excess heat could be transferred to the water/air heater coolant loops via a heat exchanger. That may solve the potential issue about the engine coolant running lower than expected or potential leaks from a longer single loop system.
Some cars use a resistor to lower the blower power and its current. I remember SAAB in older models used them and you most likely can use it to lower the heather blowers current.
Shared bodily warmth works pretty good as well, and it's free......☺
I replaced the original fan on my heater with a computer fan which draws less amps and runs quieter. I also installed a thermostat so the fan will cut out at a set temperature
I have a (too loud) Eberspächer (Kalori) heater and another one that is all stainless steel which is manufactured by Autoterm (formerly Binar/Planar) I think, at least marketed as such. So there are stainless alternatives as well, slightly more expensive tho.
It’s Called a heat exchanger😊 Volkswagens use it. except it doesn’t use water. It works off of 😊the exhaust system.
Good Idea on the heater, I have a couple of early pickup truck heaters that would work for me.
a lot of anchorages herre we use stern lines to shore stops the boat drifting in tight places and there are anchored rings ashore for tieing to
Great information on an easy addition to any boat for high latitude sailing. Thanks for sharing.
If you have an exhaust leak you will suck that air through the heater. Make sure you have a carbon dioxide alarm in your boat where you sleep. This way if it is on when you are sleeping you are safe. Looks great! Beautiful scenery.
We installed a double bus heater out of a school bus in our sailboat and it has been a wonderful source of heat for years. And if the motor isn't running, we crank up the woodstove, so we're covered for heat all around. It is impossible to be cold in our boat, but when the heat reaches sauna-like levels, it is also easy to quickly dump excess heat by opening the forward hatch and the companion way, and, Woosh, -this is how we regulate the temperature. One thing about plumbing your heater that you didn't mention, -and this was never a problem for us, is that depending on hose size, distance from the engine and some hydraulic physics I don't understand. there is a possibility that the coolant flow won't naturally run through the heater but will go the easy route through the path of least resistance. I had been advised to install a bypass loop between the two hoses to avoid this, but as there was no engine temperature reduction whatsoever, and the heater dumps out tons of heat, I've never done that. And BTW, I've already invited you several times, but once you get north of Vancouver Island, please be welcome to tie up at our dock here on Denny Island, near Bella Bella on the BC Central Coast! (www.spindriftpoint.com) Cheers, Ingmar
hi Ingmar, sorry I missed your earlier messages (RUclips blocked them because there was a URL in them.. RUclips is sometimes annoying!). That's a huge shame since we just passed your place, I actually recognized it, I think you keep it on AirBnB as well? Anyway thanks so much for the invite and maybe we'll come back down the coast at some point!
How do you generate electricity? Can you make a film about it? What inverter are you using, what kind of batteries, etc. I've seen, that you are able to use power-consuming devices as heatgun? Or was it just a cable from a shore?
Thanks Juho! "So now i have technical draws, closets and rooms. And yes even my bedroom has become very technical indeed:D As for the heater, thanks for showing! For the noise, a reduction that is, one could put it in the sound proved engine compartment and run a hose to the cabin outlet.