It's the right of journalists to be protected from unlawful investigations. He's basically lawful neutral, since he firmly believes then that the loss of a superhero would be an act of good. Best fictional journalist
He likes Peter. He's just very tough on him. Sorta like how an NCO may be to his Private. Also JJ needs Peter bc who else is gonna take pics of Spidey?
Jameson does like Parker, and speaks well of him when he isn't around. But when dealing face to face he puts on a tough act. He's like a strict but caring father. He doesn't want shortcuts, he wants the job done right.
I had to know the difference when I became a security guard. Our instructor asked if we had anything to help remember the difference, and I quoted this scene
I like how Jameson's attitude changes, he gets defensive with 'I resent that!' Then it turns into a more soft, casual like 'Slander is spoken. In print it's libel", as if it were a 'more you know' to Peter. That self gratifying nod because he knows he's right.
The reason I love this so much is that he's at least admitting it just use the proper term. It's actually refreshing he's not trying to say that that's not what he's doing he's like no that's exactly what I'm doing just use the right word
It's actually quite the interesting story... Basically Stan Lee originally said "If they ever make a spider-man movie, I want to Play Jameson" and Then when casting for the movie started he (to my understanding) decided "no I don't think I will" to just getting the role by virtue of Being Stan Lee...
@@cunningsmile4166 As a nerd who did all my homework and knew the F out of chemistry, i would normally get the day's work done in 20 minutes out of an hour and a half class. my teacher didn't like that i spent seventy minutes of class ignoring the coursework that i had already finished and quite literally acing the tests. so because i was promoting a truant work environment, he gave me six lunch detentions so i "could read in peace, on my own time." Sadly when i went to fulfil the first lunch detention the Dean, who i was on very good terms with, he tried to throw me out because i had already gotten in trouble with him for trying to have lunch quietly in the empty classroom once before, so he thought i was lying about a teacher giving me lunch detention. So the Dean went to the teacher and when the teacher told him how i earned the detention, and the Dean (knowing my grades in the class) told him that he can't just give me lunch detention for reading with my work done. How this story mixes with the video i commented on you'd have to have asked me 2 years ago when i made it. that is the only time i got and got out of detention.
Gotta respect Jameson. He's not denying the defamation, simply correcting Peter's terminology, and in the process kind of admitting to it. Also in this same scene, despite having no reason to, he protects Peter from the Goblin by claiming he doesn't know who takes the Spider-Man pictures.
I think one thing that makes Jameson such a likeable character for me personally is because he reminds me of Jack Sparrow. Both are mischievous and petty in their own way but when it comes down to life and death, they do what is right. "He's a pirate." "And a good man!"
@@CidVeldoril Clearly you misunderstood what I was saying. Jameson's life was actively being threatened, and most people would've given in under those circumstances.
When learning about tort law, the difference between slander and libel came up and this scene INSTANTLY popped in my mind. Helped me nail a couple quiz questions.
I really need to make a clip of this that cuts off right after "In print it's libel." Perfect for posting in various forum and facebook discussions where derps mistakenly accuse another poster of slander.
0:13 (JJ Jonah throws his cigar out the window) 0:15 (Green Goblin throws the cigar back inside) 0:17 (His cigar lands on the paper and he doesn't know who threw the cigar) I laughed out hard how JJ Jonah threw his cigar out the window, then Green Goblin threw it back up inside and it landed on his paper. Then he looks at it like he's like ".... WHAT THE F**K IS THIS!!"
I love the next part too, where we see Jameson's actual courage. He's being threatened by an impossible freak and he refuses to give up Parker out of principle.
i hope jk simmons plays jj jonah again in the new spiderman. if one thing that is definitively better than the reboot is the original's use of jk's performance.
1. Having an actor reprise the role from a different cinematic continuity would be foolish, not to mention confusing for the audience. 2. He is already going to be playing Commissioner Gordon in the DC movies, so even if casting him for the same role in a different continuity was a good idea, I very much doubt he would have time.
1. Not really. They changed Bruce Banner and everyone followed along that it was the same person. Not all of the audience are idiots. I'm sure they can figure out it's a different continuity just by the rest of the cast and the general feel of the movie. 2. Actors jump between rival companies all the time. Ben Affleck was in Daredevil, then became Batman. Ryan Renolds was in Green Lantern and Deadpool. Tommy Lee Jones was in Batman Forever as Two-Face, then became Colonel Philips in Captain America: The First Avenger. As for scheduling conflicts, a good actor and agent can work out a good system for multiple films.
A.D Mitchel 1. You're giving audiences _way_ too much credit. 2. Nice's apples and oranges comparison. Ben Affleck, Ryan Reynolds, and Tommy Lee Jones had several years separating their respective Marvel and DC roles. They weren't playing them simultaneously, FFS.
Cigar drops back onto Jonah's desk. From then on, Jonah knew. He knew this was not normal. He knew that the world he lived in, the world with Spider-man, was... a computation matrix.
If he were to finish by saying "that's what made this country so great." He wouldn't be lying. This is a great country and if you think otherwise then you can choose to leave this great country which I doubt you or anybody else would.
The fact Peter was just in the room and JJJ STILL refuses to give him up is a testament to the complexity of the character. Is he being loyal to journalism ethics by refusing to give up a source? Does he actually like Peter Parker? Perhaps both?
I love that he's implying that he fully accepts the risk of incurring a lawsuit, and would consider it proper and a sign of society functioning as intended if Spider-Man sued him and got rich from it, because that would be Spider-Man's prerogative, just like it's Jameson's prerogative to defame him. He doesn't think of himself as above consequences, he just realistically expects there won't be any, and it's not his problem if no one bothers coming after him, but if they _do_ then whatever, that was the risk he accepted.
I love how Jameson is basically saying he _knows_ he's committing libel, but he doesn't care. _And_ saying it's not Peter's business to care, because he isn't the damaged party. _And_ saying if Spider-Man has a problem with it, he can go through the established legal channels about it, and if anything Jameson would respect him more if he did 😂
He didn't admit to anything. He just refocused the discussion towards what slander means. If we go by a strict definition what you wrote here could fall under libel. Since you wrote that he admitted to commiting libel which he most obviously did not. He could sue you. If he was real that is. Admission requires admission not refocus.
Funny thing Jameson in the mcu actually was slandering Spider-Man by speaking on the news as a host, compared to Raimiverse Jameson who printed the news libel.
The standard way you avoid the issue in a debate. You look to see if there is any 'legalistic' mistake made by the complainer and refocus the discussion towards that while avoiding the actual issue that was brought up.
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The best part about this? Jameson is actually correct.
Explain Emo Toby then.
Correct about slander and libel, yes. I'm somewhat of a journalist myself and I definitely know the difference between slander and libel.
You know, I’m something of a journalist myself.
I think my favorite part about it is he doesn't even deny it he's pretty much just like hey used to right term
Why wouldn't he be? Writers don't just write a bunch of bullshit.
I love how Jameson barely even likes Peter and he still covered his ass when the Green Goblin blew up his office
It's the right of journalists to be protected from unlawful investigations. He's basically lawful neutral, since he firmly believes then that the loss of a superhero would be an act of good. Best fictional journalist
He likes Peter. He's just very tough on him. Sorta like how an NCO may be to his Private. Also JJ needs Peter bc who else is gonna take pics of Spidey?
Sure Peter gets on his nerves more often than not, but he doesn't want to see him hurt. Jameson is actually a pretty honourable guy.
@@peppermintmiso4341 what about Clark Kent or Lois Lane? Or are they too biased
Jameson does like Parker, and speaks well of him when he isn't around. But when dealing face to face he puts on a tough act. He's like a strict but caring father. He doesn't want shortcuts, he wants the job done right.
this is actually how I learned the difference
Same
@@kitgusto2390 I go here whenever I get confused. :P
Thanks to this I can be a pedantic dickwad on the internet.
Thanks, JJJ!
I had to know the difference when I became a security guard. Our instructor asked if we had anything to help remember the difference, and I quoted this scene
@@kitgusto2390 me too
"Let him sue me; Get rich like a normal person!" is underapreciated
in the comics spiderman does sue jameson at one point.
"I trust my barber."
I bet he doesn't anymore
I get it
@@maximasheplin8083
I think it's because he's bald now.
@@fds7476 Nah, JK Simmons was bald back then, too.
@@h8GW But Jameson showed up in Far From Home bald.
I think it was a joke even then. JK Simmons was always bald, and was wearing a hairpiece for the role.
I like how Jameson's attitude changes, he gets defensive with 'I resent that!' Then it turns into a more soft, casual like 'Slander is spoken. In print it's libel", as if it were a 'more you know' to Peter. That self gratifying nod because he knows he's right.
If you're gonna try to accuse Jameson, he wants to make damn sure you are accusing him of the proper crime. XD
He was more upset over Peter using the incorrect terminology than the fact that Peter called him out over it
J. Jonah Jameson is an editor, and god dammit he's gonna edit.
The reason I love this so much is that he's at least admitting it just use the proper term. It's actually refreshing he's not trying to say that that's not what he's doing he's like no that's exactly what I'm doing just use the right word
What about that fake photo they used in Spiderman 3? Wouldn't that be considered slander?
"What are you? His lawyer? Get out of here! Let him sue me. Get rich like a normal person!"
yes we all saw the video
You know what you need to sue someone? A name. And as the defendant Jameson would know first.
Even if he loses he wins
J.K. Simmons was perfect for his role as Jameson.
Mackenroll you should see him a BR in Thank you for Smoking
Basically he’s playing j Jonah except with cursing
It's actually quite the interesting story...
Basically Stan Lee originally said "If they ever make a spider-man movie, I want to Play Jameson" and Then when casting for the movie started he (to my understanding) decided "no I don't think I will" to just getting the role by virtue of Being Stan Lee...
The role so nice they cast him thrice!
I honestly believe that the only way you can recast Jameson is only after JK Simmons dies. And it will be very big shoes to fill
He is the absolute perfect voice and energy for a firm/strict Mentor type character
My mass comm law professor used this clip in class.
Your professor's a legend lol
this has actually been the most useful thing that movie taught me. i actually got out of detention using it.
How? Teach me
KarkyDoesGaming
Slander is spoken, in print it is libel.
You’re welcome :)
How did you avoie detention!?
@@cunningsmile4166 As a nerd who did all my homework and knew the F out of chemistry, i would normally get the day's work done in 20 minutes out of an hour and a half class. my teacher didn't like that i spent seventy minutes of class ignoring the coursework that i had already finished and quite literally acing the tests. so because i was promoting a truant work environment, he gave me six lunch detentions so i "could read in peace, on my own time."
Sadly when i went to fulfil the first lunch detention the Dean, who i was on very good terms with, he tried to throw me out because i had already gotten in trouble with him for trying to have lunch quietly in the empty classroom once before, so he thought i was lying about a teacher giving me lunch detention.
So the Dean went to the teacher and when the teacher told him how i earned the detention, and the Dean (knowing my grades in the class) told him that he can't just give me lunch detention for reading with my work done.
How this story mixes with the video i commented on you'd have to have asked me 2 years ago when i made it. that is the only time i got and got out of detention.
@@abucket14 so glad we got the abucket14 lore
J.K. Simmons was such a good Jameson they had to bring him back to use Jameson again.
Well, he’s the only Jameson, but he’s the only one we need!
@@Darceus2000 Just gets better with age also.
@@eric4369 ...
Like, really?
The best parts of all the films belonged to him
Nope, it's no Pizza Time or Dancing Evil Peter Parker.
This is also true if you expand "all films" to include all of cinema
You know why Goblin is such a great villain? He cares for the environment.
Well he is the GREEN Goblin!
Except when his glider spews out copious amounts of smoke when he first attacks the public at the festival!
@@WaterCrane I missed the part where thats my problem
The way Jameson immediately says “it is not, I resent that!” kills me everytime 😂
And then it turns out he doesn't even deny doing it, he just wants Peter to use the right word lol
0:17 For a moment I thought Parker dropped a steaming dookie on Jameson's desk Cartman style in protest of his words.
Heh heh... Spider dookie...
@@alfatazer_8991 Suddenly ol' Wall Crawler leaving a bunch of webs in his wake doesn't seem that bad in comparison...
Spiderman, Spiderman
Takes a dump in a coffee can
Gotta respect Jameson. He's not denying the defamation, simply correcting Peter's terminology, and in the process kind of admitting to it. Also in this same scene, despite having no reason to, he protects Peter from the Goblin by claiming he doesn't know who takes the Spider-Man pictures.
He is, if nothing else, a man of the utmost integrity.
I think one thing that makes Jameson such a likeable character for me personally is because he reminds me of Jack Sparrow. Both are mischievous and petty in their own way but when it comes down to life and death, they do what is right.
"He's a pirate."
"And a good man!"
He had every reason. He's a journalist protecting his sources. Jameson is the type of journalist that actually values journalistic ethics.
@@CidVeldoril Clearly you misunderstood what I was saying. Jameson's life was actively being threatened, and most people would've given in under those circumstances.
@@mldavid4056 Clearly you misunderstand how far a good journalist will go.
When learning about tort law, the difference between slander and libel came up and this scene INSTANTLY popped in my mind. Helped me nail a couple quiz questions.
J.K Simmons is always a win.
And he doesn't even care.
Jameson: **tosses cigar out window**
**cigar flies back in**
Jameson: _Why do I hear boss music..._
anybody who hasn't seen the movie would be like 'how dat cigar boomerang back?'
green goblin I've watched it
it just happens. Just can't get rid of that cigar no matter how hard he tries.
@@half-lifescientist1991 can't kick the habit
@@half-lifescientist1991 the actual plot to Spiderman
I haven't seen the movie and that's exactly what I'm wondering
Saw Trump on TV claiming the New York Times had slandered him with a recent article, and this was exactly what came to mind first.
“I trust my barber”
A line that is way funnier as an adult
This is how I remember slander vs libel. 20ish years. Thanks guys.
I dont know why but this is my favorite line in the original trilogy
And the funniest part is that by Far From Home he stopped trusting his barber
The fact that he’s completely right makes this even more hilarious 19 years later
I just love how Jameson knows it's bs, and he'd rather have any lawsuit against him be correct in its terminology.
I really need to make a clip of this that cuts off right after "In print it's libel."
Perfect for posting in various forum and facebook discussions where derps mistakenly accuse another poster of slander.
This quote being hilarious made me remember it and just helped me on a question on a college level quiz. JJJ is the true hero.
Peter Parker: You don't trust anybody. That's your problem.
J Jonah Jameson: I trust my barber.
Be careful what you wish for, JJJ.
Life is a lemon, and Spider-Man wants his money back.
Every line from Jameson is top tier. Every. Line
Including this one!
__________________________________
Pity me.
This scene is how I remember the difference between libel and slander haha
If MCU's Peter is given any sort of mercy, it is to not work for the Daily Bugle
He actually helped me on a government kaboot question remembering this exact phrasing.
Back when movies actually TAUGHT you somthing once in A while.
@0:03 -- Like how his expression is, "Seriously? You call yourself a reporter and you don't even know the basic jargon?"
I mean, he doesn't. He calls himself a photographer.
@@jerodast That would explain it. :P
"Let him sue me"
God you're lucky the Raimi spiderman didn't know Shulkie.
JK Simmons, you played JJJ so good. Thank you!
Ethan Edwards
And he's the only guy who played him
He knew spiderman couldn't reveal his identity, and therefor could not serve him for the defamation tort. He can saw whatever he wants.
One of the most underrated lines in the trilogy and one of the most perfect casting choices of all time.
i live how he's not denying commiting defamation, just correcting the terminology
every time i cant remember the word libel, i repeat this line. Thanks JJ!
19 years later jameson again played by Jk simmons is bald and actually has a radio show where he speaks
He's also the spokesperson for Farmers insurance as well as the voice of the yellow M&M.
THIS is why JK Simmons is the definitive J Jonah Jameson. He gets the irascibility and the consummate newsman perfect.
No joke this helped me in my Torts class.
If I was a professor in Journalism, or something similar, I would use this clip to explain the difference between slander and libel.
I think my technical writing professor used this exact clip to explain the difference between these two terms.
This should be in the “Slander Memes”
0:13 (JJ Jonah throws his cigar out the window)
0:15 (Green Goblin throws the cigar back inside)
0:17 (His cigar lands on the paper and he doesn't know who threw the cigar)
I laughed out hard how JJ Jonah threw his cigar out the window, then Green Goblin threw it back up inside and it landed on his paper. Then he looks at it like he's like ".... WHAT THE F**K IS THIS!!"
I love the next part too, where we see Jameson's actual courage. He's being threatened by an impossible freak and he refuses to give up Parker out of principle.
There's an outtake where he throws the cigar out and it gets tossed back in but it lands in his lap and burns him lol
Jameson is depicted as a good guy with a heart, he's just super fucking cheap and isn't afraid to stretch the truth or lie to make a buck.
I like the part where even the Green Goblin (the villain) refused to allow littering in his city
@John Lark "HOFFMA-" "Yes!?"
i hope jk simmons plays jj jonah again in the new spiderman. if one thing that is definitively better than the reboot is the original's use of jk's performance.
1. Having an actor reprise the role from a different cinematic continuity would be foolish, not to mention confusing for the audience.
2. He is already going to be playing Commissioner Gordon in the DC movies, so even if casting him for the same role in a different continuity was a good idea, I very much doubt he would have time.
1. Not really. They changed Bruce Banner and everyone followed along that it was the same person. Not all of the audience are idiots. I'm sure they can figure out it's a different continuity just by the rest of the cast and the general feel of the movie.
2. Actors jump between rival companies all the time. Ben Affleck was in Daredevil, then became Batman. Ryan Renolds was in Green Lantern and Deadpool. Tommy Lee Jones was in Batman Forever as Two-Face, then became Colonel Philips in Captain America: The First Avenger. As for scheduling conflicts, a good actor and agent can work out a good system for multiple films.
A.D Mitchel
1. You're giving audiences _way_ too much credit.
2. Nice's apples and oranges comparison.
Ben Affleck, Ryan Reynolds, and Tommy Lee Jones had several years separating their respective Marvel and DC roles.
They weren't playing them simultaneously, FFS.
AD, don't forget TLJ was also agent K.
@@DreddPirateRoberts well this comment didn't age well
Cigar drops back onto Jonah's desk. From then on, Jonah knew.
He knew this was not normal. He knew that the world he lived in, the world with Spider-man, was... a computation matrix.
Did JJ seriously almost paraphrase Make America Great Again?
If he were to finish by saying "that's what made this country so great." He wouldn't be lying. This is a great country and if you think otherwise then you can choose to leave this great country which I doubt you or anybody else would.
Green Goblin: "Grayson you Slime! Who's the photographer that takes the pictures of Omni-Man!"
Nolan: *Deep breath*
Such a great scene, such great casting
JJ's characterization in this film is perfect
Best JK Simmons moment ever
"If it's spoken, it's slander. In print it's libel!"
- J Jonah Jameson
0:11 You're gonna regret saiyan that pal!
I do a journalism degree and this helped me answer a question
The fact Peter was just in the room and JJJ STILL refuses to give him up is a testament to the complexity of the character. Is he being loyal to journalism ethics by refusing to give up a source? Does he actually like Peter Parker? Perhaps both?
This is one of the absolute best scenes from Spider-Man
Easiest way I remember the difference. Slander-speak or spoken. Libel-literature or literate.
The best character in these movies, and he actually happens to absolutely correct in this scene on most accounts
It's been so long since I saw the movie, I never realized that the Goblin threw the cigar back.
And now since JJ is on a podcast it will be slander lol
I love that he's implying that he fully accepts the risk of incurring a lawsuit, and would consider it proper and a sign of society functioning as intended if Spider-Man sued him and got rich from it, because that would be Spider-Man's prerogative, just like it's Jameson's prerogative to defame him. He doesn't think of himself as above consequences, he just realistically expects there won't be any, and it's not his problem if no one bothers coming after him, but if they _do_ then whatever, that was the risk he accepted.
I still remember this scene to differentiate the two.
I love how Jameson is basically saying he _knows_ he's committing libel, but he doesn't care. _And_ saying it's not Peter's business to care, because he isn't the damaged party. _And_ saying if Spider-Man has a problem with it, he can go through the established legal channels about it, and if anything Jameson would respect him more if he did 😂
He didn't admit to anything. He just refocused the discussion towards what slander means. If we go by a strict definition what you wrote here could fall under libel. Since you wrote that he admitted to commiting libel which he most obviously did not. He could sue you. If he was real that is. Admission requires admission not refocus.
This actually helped me remember the word libel lol
Meme makers should have paid more attention to this scene…
"It is Not [slander]. I resent that. Slander is spoken. In print it's libel"
-J Jonah Jameson
Jameson's most underrated quote right there.
Later that day, Spider-man hired a blind lawyer from Hell’s Kitchen, and started a defamation suit against J. Jonah Jameson.
Slander and libel are both crimes, collectively known as defamation.
Why is this my favourite line from the movie 😂😂
It's weird looking back and realizing how much Tom Holland's and Tobey Maguire's Peters sound alike
Bro he trust his barber but in the mcu he’s bald 😂
Passed a test cause of this
One of the best lines in the trilogy - made funnier by the fact he’s right 😂
Superhero movies done teached me thangs.
0:23 EXPLOSION
This actually helped me on my law exam
Back then i honestly thought some one took a shit nugget on jamesons desk 0:18
Helped me with my business law class 😂😂
This helped me during the bar exam
Me when I see Monica Rial's accusations of Vic
Which spiderman movie was that, and where? I have seen all three and I don't remember that at all.
The very first movie. Green Goblin attacks right after this.
This is like Kakyoin explaining that tapping the table twice in China is a way of thanking the waitstaff.
Looks like Jonah went to journalism school
Golden rule of journalism, do not reveal your sources
This is how I keep it straight
Funny thing Jameson in the mcu actually was slandering Spider-Man by speaking on the news as a host, compared to Raimiverse Jameson who printed the news libel.
I wonder what happens immediately after this
Toby sounds so young…
This literally saved my ass on my Communications exam
This joke went over everyone's head when this movie came out.
Media Law 101
The standard way you avoid the issue in a debate. You look to see if there is any 'legalistic' mistake made by the complainer and refocus the discussion towards that while avoiding the actual issue that was brought up.
That would have been hilarious if that's how the scene actually ended