Great videos ZVL! When folks approach me with questions about arsenal building and such, I have directed them to your channel. Your catalogue of useful videos is helpful and easy for folks to understand. Thanks so much.
The Vector Layout System was originally developed for the Hammer 3D Offset (then called "the Hot Spot Drilling System"), and was eventually adopted by Storm when Mo replaced it with the Dual Angle system, in which the VAL angle replaced the rather klunky pin buffer.
Great explanation. I would add this data is only for Semi-Rollers. For Full Rollers it is much different. You said in your video that the closer the pin is to 3 3/8" from your pap the sharper it is at the break point. The opposite is true for Full Rollers with Leverage layouts. The shorter the pin distance the sharper it is off the break point and at 3 3/8" the ball is the most early and forward. Full Rollers can also position the pin 'past the pap' at various distances. Past pap Full Roller layouts are more like traditional semi-roller layouts as described in this video.
You’ll want to stick to lower Pin to PAP distances (3.75” - 4.25”) for your stronger equipment and go higher for the weaker. You’ll lean toward the lower Pin to PAP distances with your high track
Do you think there is any sense to puting a weak / pin down (40° x 4-1/4" x 75°) layout on a stong ball like a radical conspiracy for example? Or are you better finding a weaker ball with the stronger layout?
I understand you're trying to help people by regurgitating the Dual Angle write up into video format to benefit viewers, but it's still important to do so accurately. Flare is not consistent between Symmetric and Asymmetric balls. Your video presentation is accurate for Symmetric balls, but when dealing with Asym balls, Flare continues to increase beyond the 3.5" pin to pap distance, not decrease as you listed.
Flare doesn’t increase from 3.5” Pin to PAL, it stays relatively the same for an asym (only if the drilling angle is lower). To get more detailed, because of the asymmetry the ball will flare a similar amount between 3.5” and 6”, but the reaction to friction will change. A longer pin equates to a more controlled reaction to friction, while a shorter pin equates to a sharper reaction. HOWEVER, this only matters if the drilling angle is low. Thanks for fact checking as if helped me notice a small error!
@@ZVLBowling Whether flare will increase or decrease beyond 3.5" pin to pap is determined by the strength of the asymmetry of the core, in combination with both the drill angle (higher angles not lower as you stated) and also lower VAL angles. This is to be expected, logically, as lower val angles will increase the asymmetry of the post-drilled numbers. Drill depths also matter as the core post drilled numbers are what we're really measuring, but the data shows multiple examples of flare increasing well beyond 3.5" pin to pap in the Asymmetric ball data.
Save this video. It is the easiest one on RUclips to understand about these layouts and watch it over and over and keep bowling and you will get it but I'm telling you save this video
A very versatile layout is what you should use to start. 45 by 4.5 by 35.. make sure a pro determines your pap before drilling any ball. He will watch you roll the ball and and it will take him 5 minutes to determine your pap.
I tried to follow your explanations, but I think you were speaking a different language. I've been bowling longer than you are old and none of this makes sense to me.
General assumptions that aren't correct and add to miss information like many other videos. If only someone who designs bowling balls not pushing an agenda did a video and showed the on lane results and computer data why this isnt true.....oh what they did.
This is probably the best explanation of this that I have seen. Simple and to the point. Thank you.
Great stuff! I’ve never heard this broken down like this. Thanks, ZVL!
Finally, a video that goes into the depth that we new bowlers need! Thank you! The only other good video I've seen is The Power of the N.
To be fair, experienced bowlers do not understand drilling layouts either lol
@BlitzedStrike52 lol
By far the easiest video outlining the layout system and providing explanations THANK YOU
Great videos ZVL! When folks approach me with questions about arsenal building and such, I have directed them to your channel. Your catalogue of useful videos is helpful and easy for folks to understand. Thanks so much.
Would love a no-thumb/2-handed layout video. Keep up the great work!
Great video, and thanks for the mention! :)
The Vector Layout System was originally developed for the Hammer 3D Offset (then called "the Hot Spot Drilling System"), and was eventually adopted by Storm when Mo replaced it with the Dual Angle system, in which the VAL angle replaced the rather klunky pin buffer.
Great explanation. I would add this data is only for Semi-Rollers. For Full Rollers it is much different.
You said in your video that the closer the pin is to 3 3/8" from your pap the sharper it is at the break point. The opposite is true for Full Rollers with Leverage layouts.
The shorter the pin distance the sharper it is off the break point and at 3 3/8" the ball is the most early and forward.
Full Rollers can also position the pin 'past the pap' at various distances. Past pap Full Roller layouts are more like traditional semi-roller layouts as described in this video.
Good video, still have a question.... when to use a short pin vs. pin down?
Awesome video!
What are good layouts for high track bowler for different patterns? Are there layouts I should avoid?
You’ll want to stick to lower Pin to PAP distances (3.75” - 4.25”) for your stronger equipment and go higher for the weaker. You’ll lean toward the lower Pin to PAP distances with your high track
Wish i had this before i drilled my Max Thrill Pearl
Short pin to PAP will have the ball revolving closer to the low RG axis at release.
This is an okay video. It could benefit greatly with a picture of the bowling ball and the angle that you are talking about.
Do you think there is any sense to puting a weak / pin down (40° x 4-1/4" x 75°) layout on a stong ball like a radical conspiracy for example? Or are you better finding a weaker ball with the stronger layout?
Is there a good layout recommendation for a speed dominant for asym and symmetric? Or is it better to have 1 for both?
I’d always recommend stronger layouts for speed dominant bowlers (Pin to PAP distances between 4” - 4.5”) and I’d go with one layout to start
@ZVLBowling thank you so much
Mo Pinel!
U have anything for slow ball speed and Rev dominant
Yep, I have a vid explaining how to make an arsenal for rev dominant bowlers
Having a VAL angle less than 20 degrees is not recommended as it may cause issues with flaring over holes.
I guess my PAP has changed over the last couple seasons from 4 1/2 over and 5/8 up to 4 7/8 over and 1/2 up
That happens a TON so don't worry too much about it!
where would i come to have you fit me and have you drill me a ball
Our shops are in Owatonna and Mankato MN!
I understand you're trying to help people by regurgitating the Dual Angle write up into video format to benefit viewers, but it's still important to do so accurately. Flare is not consistent between Symmetric and Asymmetric balls. Your video presentation is accurate for Symmetric balls, but when dealing with Asym balls, Flare continues to increase beyond the 3.5" pin to pap distance, not decrease as you listed.
Flare doesn’t increase from 3.5” Pin to PAL, it stays relatively the same for an asym (only if the drilling angle is lower). To get more detailed, because of the asymmetry the ball will flare a similar amount between 3.5” and 6”, but the reaction to friction will change. A longer pin equates to a more controlled reaction to friction, while a shorter pin equates to a sharper reaction. HOWEVER, this only matters if the drilling angle is low. Thanks for fact checking as if helped me notice a small error!
@@ZVLBowling Whether flare will increase or decrease beyond 3.5" pin to pap is determined by the strength of the asymmetry of the core, in combination with both the drill angle (higher angles not lower as you stated) and also lower VAL angles. This is to be expected, logically, as lower val angles will increase the asymmetry of the post-drilled numbers. Drill depths also matter as the core post drilled numbers are what we're really measuring, but the data shows multiple examples of flare increasing well beyond 3.5" pin to pap in the Asymmetric ball data.
Complete gibberish to someone just getting into this...
Watch some more videos on it!
Save this video. It is the easiest one on RUclips to understand about these layouts and watch it over and over and keep bowling and you will get it but I'm telling you save this video
A very versatile layout is what you should use to start. 45 by 4.5 by 35.. make sure a pro determines your pap before drilling any ball. He will watch you roll the ball and and it will take him 5 minutes to determine your pap.
I tried to follow your explanations, but I think you were speaking a different language. I've been bowling longer than you are old and none of this makes sense to me.
General assumptions that aren't correct and add to miss information like many other videos. If only someone who designs bowling balls not pushing an agenda did a video and showed the on lane results and computer data why this isnt true.....oh what they did.
Can you please do a video about the various types of 2LS layouts? 🥹
Will do!