This video is pure gold I am fairly advanced bowler and this is still something I struggle with and causes consistency lapses. Will definitely work on this and take notes
Absolutely the best demonstration on how to release the ball like the Pro’s I’ve seen on RUclips. I’m glad I found your channel and looking forward to more videos.
Don’t worry, people of your age and experience cannot do what they are talking about. I can’t after 50+ years. You need super strength to stay under the ball. You’ll always be on the side of the ball. Always. They never tell you this.
Best video ever! I’ve watched other videos on how to hook the ball, but I haven’t bowled in 40 years, and watching professionals bowl and hook doesn’t explain the process nearly as well as this! Think I’ll go buy a basketball, because with leagues going on, not as easy to get on the lanes to practice this coil/uncoil until I have the muscle memory needed! Thank you so very much!
Makes so much sense to me now! Im a league bowler and wish I had this info 15 years ago? My wife and I love to bowl! Thank you for the great advice! Helps with our chicken wing, too high of a back swing, and motion of release.
This is such a great video for explaining how to roll the ball. Gonna show this to basically anyone I know who is struggling to roll the ball properly. Thanks for this!
Loved this video!! Very clearly explained. This is something I struggle with as a relatively new bowler, but this really makes a ton of sense. Anxious to try it out.
I personally like Norm Dukes style. It fits my game now that I'm in my 40s and have elbow injuries. I can't bowl like I used to when I was in my teens and 20s
Big advocate of recording your swing. Really drives home "feel vs. real." I didn't realize I was releasing the ball with my hand practically on top of it until I saw it in a video. It took a while for me to get used to how being behind the ball at release actually felt, but drills like these helped me get there. Something that helps me keep my wrist in a strong position on the downswing is pressing my index finger against the ball. This takes all the grip pressure off my thumb and gives me a better sense of where my hand is. When I want to uncoil my wrist, I just release the index finger pressure and the ball comes off my thumb with no thought at all. My rev rate is still moderate, but it's much better than it was when I was coming over the top.
I receive a fair amount of bowlers asking me how am I am making the ball hook. I respond showing them my fingers in the ball as the thumb exits and ball revolves in a definite roll. Many think I am twisting my wrist to revolve the ball. But I do not. It is all thumb exits hole with fingers still in and reach out to pins almost shoveling the ball. The uncoiling is not necessary. No wrist action is required is roll a strong ball.
I agree it's not a need to be able to get good ball roll. Old school bowlers like Dick Weber, Earl Anthony, and Walter Ray prove that. But I see far too many really good bowlers today with 300 Rev rates kill it on house, but struggle in tournaments with heavier volumes. There is a reason all the pros today have wrist action.
Most of the great bowlers from the Golden Age of Bowling (1960's) did not use the technique you are describing, yet they were some of the best bowlers that ever lived. Dick Weber, Don Carter, Billy Hardwick, Earl Anthony, Marion Ladewig and so on.
You are correct. I am 50 and grew up watching many of those. And my game was similar and I was a great youth bowler. But the times have changed. Those older styles will make you a decent bowler today, but as someone who bowls on the regional tour, I can tell you those don't hold up against the competition today. You can certainly average well on a house shot with that, so if that is your end goal, great. This video isn't for those people. I have other videos that show these older style techniques as well and encourage people to figure out what they want to accomplish, and select the appropriate videos. For some, these newer techniques are important to compete at a higher level. Thank you for watching and commenting. All perspectives are welcome.
@@baldbrothersbowling Why is this technique needed to compete at the higher level? Is it because of the higher volume of sport shots? Why are higher revs needed? Also can you link me to the videos on the older styles please? Thanks.
@@nordattack Don't get me wrong, you CAN still be successful and compete, it's just more rare. Yes, the higher volumes is a huge factor. Most house shot leagues might put out 23mL give or take, on a medium, 41-43 foot pattern. There is plenty of backend, and plenty of outside to make lower rev players successful. On sport shots, some are lower, buy MANY are higher volumes, 30+ in many cases. I am shooting on one this weekend that is 33mL. I see MANY lower rev players who are good bowlers struggle to get the ball to the pocket in many sport shot tournaments. On shorter patterns, they don't get the benefit of controllable urethane because they can't get the ball to hook, but reactive might be too much, or they have to be EXTRA accurate. On long patters, typically the middle of the lane is more in play, but lower rev players have a harder time getting the ball to enter the pocket at a sharp enough angle from the inside to carry as well. Additionally, higher revs do throw pins around and carry messengers giving them a few more strikes, making it harder to catch them. I can tell you from my own experience that as I have increased my rev rate (which is still below average compared to touring pros), my league average has NOT gotten better, yet I am cashing WAY more in tournaments. If someone wants to be a great league bowler, increasing revs is not that important. But there is a reason people like Parker Bohn embrace higher rev styles for his own kids, and Walter Ray Williams, Jr. tried 2-handed. As for the other video, I was thinking of the one that the focus is actually on wearing a wrist brace and how to release it since you cannot uncoil. The concepts in that video would apply to someone who doesn't want to apply a yo-yo style release, and just wants to keep it smooth like you would with a brace. You'll have to forward to a little farther in the video to see where I talk about having your thumb at 10-11 o-clock. Here is that link: ruclips.net/video/SDFrIwhMmkA/видео.html I thought I did another one, but I guess I didn't. Again, for a typical league bowler, the new techniques are absolutely not needed. But for a tournament bowler, you CAN do well, but embracing some of these new techniques will help a lot. Thanks again.
@@baldbrothersbowling Thank you for your detailed reply. I asked because I am a senior 1960's style Full Roller with very low revs (90 rpms) and low ball speed (10-11 mph at the pins.) My channel is devoted to this vintage style of play. I bowl in house leagues as well as a seasonal sport league and have bowled Nationals for the last 4 years. Your observations about some of the issues low rev bowlers face on higher volumes of oil are spot on. Matching up with the proper ball and layout are essential and playing the pattern the way that is best for "your style" rather than the way the textbook says the pattern should be played are the keys to success. Because of the way I bowl my Sport and House Shot averages are very close and often I do better on sport patterns because they lend themselves to straighter projections vs. House shots which tend to fight the straight shot and force a bowler to open their angles. Thanks again for you comments. I will check out your video.
@@nordattackI checked out your videos. So cool that you are bringing awareness to other styles. Not everyone can do all the same things. My lessons won't resonate with everyone, so I love seeing a wide variety of content. Keep it up.
Some braces lock, and those you cannot. Some allow you to cup, and it stops at flush. You can kind of so it with those. But mainly, you have to be more of a stroker. It will still roll off the hand some, but you can't really get high rev rate. I did a video on using a brace, so you could check that one out.
That does limit the ability to do that well. But that's okay. It will stop you from getting to 500 revs, but if you watch the wrist brace video, you can use your hand angle along with focusing on releasing the thumb first to still have a solid game.
One question, I think it matters where you release the ball to understand if you are rolling or throwing the ball. Should I be rolling the ball closest to the foul line?
Closer to the foul line is smoother, but only if you are there with good knee bend. If you are more bent over at the waist, that can be bad. What you are looking for in this still is if the ball is rolling vs. hydroplaning or spinning. You can still have the ball roll even if you aren't closer to foul line.
50 year old woman here. Been bowling for a while. How do you protect the tendons/ligaments/muscles in your wrist & hand trying to do this? I’ve shredded my wrist trying to “get behind the ball”. Taking a month off from bowling to heal. 😢 leading up to the near death of my wrist, I was bowling better but in so much pain. Got my first scratch 201 in league week before last. Now, no more bowling.
That is an excellent question and we certainly don't want injuries. So sorry you are dealing with that. The main issue is usually too loose of a thumb, leading to squeezing the ball which will activate those muscles and tendons. The thumb should be so snug that if you hinge at the base of your thumb, you could lift ball with just your thumb with ease and doesn't feel like it is slipping, but not too snug so when you release the hinge, it falls off (see my video on the importance of thumb fit). With a snug thumb, you also want to avoid curling the ball. If you pull back with the thumb during the backswing, it can get into that position, and then in the down swing, you should only feel pressure on the thumb. Now all this said, this technique is for those trying to really increase revs. You can just hold your wrist flat with thumb pointed slightly left to put your hand in about a 45 degree angle and stroke the ball, still releasing the thumb first, and score very well. If you struggle doing this relaxed, try this method. It's not worth and injury.
I can do what you teach but when I uncoiled the ball seem to be flat..and just go straight.. alot of rev but no hook in the back end.. The only way my ball hook is by lifting it on my upswing like a football spiral.. What am I doing wrong? Your suggestion be appreciated..
The football spiral is actually a great technique. I did this with the kids and when I paused his arm in the back with a football, I showed how coiled his wrist was. When he followed thru, it was uncoiled with a turn. If it is coming out flat, you are likely not turning or turning the wrist late. But the football spiral is essentially what you are going for.
Nothing wrong with that. It's how most of us are taught, and it is a good way to start out. I was that way for much of my youth and it was in college that I started doing more. Even then, I was more of a stroker, and it's been just in the past few years that I've really focused on these other techniques. It's the reason you see my hand more on the side during my takeaway when you watch my vlogs. I'm working on that still, but it's getting better. The good thing is that I think those that suitcase the ball can transition into a roll pretty well.
@@baldbrothersbowling i do it because i get the least wrist pain as holding the ball palm up puts weight on the tendons that hurt and where i bowl has no oil so dont need anymore revs
I don't follow this logic. All the stuff you mentioned is still needed for all the different oil patterns, breakdowns, etc. Those factors don't make up for a poorly thrown ball.
Please on your videos aim at bowlers to use the thumb to hold onto the ball thruout the swing and delivery. You can roll the ball with thumb in too. Most people having a thumb on either hand would have to ignore a God- given tool to roll the ball. This demo is bogus. Sure, I see aim for you is get watches for a technique that is lame but easy for house ball bowling. Thumb in bowling is better for people.
Did you watch the whole video or just watch the first few minutes then comment? I am a thumb user, and I show how to incorporate the thumb in this video. The technique at the beginning is there to learn to uncoil the wrist,then I bring the thumb in. In fact, I have specific other videos on the importance of the thumb and having proper fit. Bogus? Nope. It's okay that you don't like this. Don't do it. There are many who benefit from this and this video is for them.
Bowling video of the year, best topic, best executed video with captions and details. You got another subscriber, thank you!!!!
Thank you.
This video is pure gold I am fairly advanced bowler and this is still something I struggle with and causes consistency lapses. Will definitely work on this and take notes
Thank you.
Absolutely the best demonstration on how to release the ball like the Pro’s I’ve seen on RUclips. I’m glad I found your channel and looking forward to more videos.
Thank you so much.
Thanks so much for the video, I'm a 50yr old beginner and I'm addicted to bowling! Wish I started 40 years ago!
Never too late to get it going. It's a sport that will last you many more years.
Protect your wrists and fingers
Don’t worry, people of your age and experience cannot do what they are talking about. I can’t after 50+ years. You need super strength to stay under the ball. You’ll always be on the side of the ball. Always. They never tell you this.
By the way, you could do this with a 7 pound ball, not a 15 pound ball.
@@jameskinchen2148absolutely can do that with 15. And once my thumb is in the ball, that is a 15 lb ball.
Great video!! Thank you for explaining this so it is easy to grasp.
Appreciate that.
Best video ever! I’ve watched other videos on how to hook the ball, but I haven’t bowled in 40 years, and watching professionals bowl and hook doesn’t explain the process nearly as well as this! Think I’ll go buy a basketball, because with leagues going on, not as easy to get on the lanes to practice this coil/uncoil until I have the muscle memory needed! Thank you so very much!
Thank you.
Makes so much sense to me now! Im a league bowler and wish I had this info 15 years ago? My wife and I love to bowl! Thank you for the great advice! Helps with our chicken wing, too high of a back swing, and motion of release.
Thanks for watching and best of luck to you.
Great video! I always tell beginners to imagine playing kickball as pitcher.
Thanks. I almost used that exact analogy. Lol.
WOW!!! Thank you so much! I’ve been trying to find a video showing this for years!!! You’re the BEST!! Can’t wait to try it.
Happy to help. Thank you for watching.
best explanation and demonstration I've seen on this topic!!!
Thank you
This is such a great video for explaining how to roll the ball. Gonna show this to basically anyone I know who is struggling to roll the ball properly. Thanks for this!
Thank you. That means a lot.
Loved this video!! Very clearly explained. This is something I struggle with as a relatively new bowler, but this really makes a ton of sense. Anxious to try it out.
Thank you. Let me know how it goes.
One of the best and essential lesson..
Thank you. That means a lot.
This has got to be the best explanation I have been looking for a very long time!! Gonna try it out soon, hopefully it will help me out!! 🙏🙏
Thank you. Send me update on how it goes.
@ I Will, thank you :)
I personally like Norm Dukes style. It fits my game now that I'm in my 40s and have elbow injuries. I can't bowl like I used to when I was in my teens and 20s
Good instruction. Shared this with two friends to help them improve.
Awesome, thanks
Best explanation i have ever seen
Appreciate that
Big advocate of recording your swing. Really drives home "feel vs. real." I didn't realize I was releasing the ball with my hand practically on top of it until I saw it in a video. It took a while for me to get used to how being behind the ball at release actually felt, but drills like these helped me get there.
Something that helps me keep my wrist in a strong position on the downswing is pressing my index finger against the ball. This takes all the grip pressure off my thumb and gives me a better sense of where my hand is. When I want to uncoil my wrist, I just release the index finger pressure and the ball comes off my thumb with no thought at all. My rev rate is still moderate, but it's much better than it was when I was coming over the top.
Thank you for sharing that tip.
I receive a fair amount of bowlers asking me how am I am making the ball hook. I respond showing them my fingers in the ball as the thumb exits and ball revolves in a definite roll. Many think I am twisting my wrist to revolve the ball. But I do not. It is all thumb exits hole with fingers still in and reach out to pins almost shoveling the ball. The uncoiling is not necessary. No wrist action is required is roll a strong ball.
I agree it's not a need to be able to get good ball roll. Old school bowlers like Dick Weber, Earl Anthony, and Walter Ray prove that. But I see far too many really good bowlers today with 300 Rev rates kill it on house, but struggle in tournaments with heavier volumes. There is a reason all the pros today have wrist action.
Thanks for this video! I see you’ve just reached your 5k subscribers goal but I’m happy to subscribe anyway and support your channel 👍
Appreciate that. Helping us toward the next goal, 10k!
Great video that I have shared with the high school team I help coach. Thank you!
Great. I hope it helps.
Notes have been taken, gonna use them for next practice on monday for sure 💯
Heck yeah!
Paint the floor Daniel Son… yeaassss
BANZAI!!!!!
Very usefull Informationens 🖐🙂
Thank you.
Awesome video
Thank you.
Thanks, this video is very good.
Thank you.
Most of the great bowlers from the Golden Age of Bowling (1960's) did not use the technique you are describing, yet they were some of the best bowlers that ever lived.
Dick Weber, Don Carter, Billy Hardwick, Earl Anthony, Marion Ladewig and so on.
You are correct. I am 50 and grew up watching many of those. And my game was similar and I was a great youth bowler. But the times have changed. Those older styles will make you a decent bowler today, but as someone who bowls on the regional tour, I can tell you those don't hold up against the competition today. You can certainly average well on a house shot with that, so if that is your end goal, great. This video isn't for those people. I have other videos that show these older style techniques as well and encourage people to figure out what they want to accomplish, and select the appropriate videos. For some, these newer techniques are important to compete at a higher level. Thank you for watching and commenting. All perspectives are welcome.
@@baldbrothersbowling Why is this technique needed to compete at the higher level? Is it because of the higher volume of sport shots? Why are higher revs needed?
Also can you link me to the videos on the older styles please?
Thanks.
@@nordattack Don't get me wrong, you CAN still be successful and compete, it's just more rare. Yes, the higher volumes is a huge factor. Most house shot leagues might put out 23mL give or take, on a medium, 41-43 foot pattern. There is plenty of backend, and plenty of outside to make lower rev players successful. On sport shots, some are lower, buy MANY are higher volumes, 30+ in many cases. I am shooting on one this weekend that is 33mL. I see MANY lower rev players who are good bowlers struggle to get the ball to the pocket in many sport shot tournaments. On shorter patterns, they don't get the benefit of controllable urethane because they can't get the ball to hook, but reactive might be too much, or they have to be EXTRA accurate. On long patters, typically the middle of the lane is more in play, but lower rev players have a harder time getting the ball to enter the pocket at a sharp enough angle from the inside to carry as well. Additionally, higher revs do throw pins around and carry messengers giving them a few more strikes, making it harder to catch them. I can tell you from my own experience that as I have increased my rev rate (which is still below average compared to touring pros), my league average has NOT gotten better, yet I am cashing WAY more in tournaments.
If someone wants to be a great league bowler, increasing revs is not that important. But there is a reason people like Parker Bohn embrace higher rev styles for his own kids, and Walter Ray Williams, Jr. tried 2-handed. As for the other video, I was thinking of the one that the focus is actually on wearing a wrist brace and how to release it since you cannot uncoil. The concepts in that video would apply to someone who doesn't want to apply a yo-yo style release, and just wants to keep it smooth like you would with a brace. You'll have to forward to a little farther in the video to see where I talk about having your thumb at 10-11 o-clock. Here is that link:
ruclips.net/video/SDFrIwhMmkA/видео.html
I thought I did another one, but I guess I didn't. Again, for a typical league bowler, the new techniques are absolutely not needed. But for a tournament bowler, you CAN do well, but embracing some of these new techniques will help a lot. Thanks again.
@@baldbrothersbowling Thank you for your detailed reply. I asked because I am a senior 1960's style Full Roller with very low revs (90 rpms) and low ball speed (10-11 mph at the pins.) My channel is devoted to this vintage style of play. I bowl in house leagues as well as a seasonal sport league and have bowled Nationals for the last 4 years.
Your observations about some of the issues low rev bowlers face on higher volumes of oil are spot on. Matching up with the proper ball and layout are essential and playing the pattern the way that is best for "your style" rather than the way the textbook says the pattern should be played are the keys to success.
Because of the way I bowl my Sport and House Shot averages are very close and often I do better on sport patterns because they lend themselves to straighter projections vs. House shots which tend to fight the straight shot and force a bowler to open their angles.
Thanks again for you comments. I will check out your video.
@@nordattackI checked out your videos. So cool that you are bringing awareness to other styles. Not everyone can do all the same things. My lessons won't resonate with everyone, so I love seeing a wide variety of content. Keep it up.
Thanks for explaining how to roll the ball properly. My question is can you do that when you wearing a wrist support....thanks
Some braces lock, and those you cannot. Some allow you to cup, and it stops at flush. You can kind of so it with those. But mainly, you have to be more of a stroker. It will still roll off the hand some, but you can't really get high rev rate. I did a video on using a brace, so you could check that one out.
@baldbrothersbowling thank you so much,,, but definitely I will try it.....cheers
Great video But what if you have to wear a wrist support to protect wrist are you able to coil and uncoil
That does limit the ability to do that well. But that's okay. It will stop you from getting to 500 revs, but if you watch the wrist brace video, you can use your hand angle along with focusing on releasing the thumb first to still have a solid game.
One question, I think it matters where you release the ball to understand if you are rolling or throwing the ball. Should I be rolling the ball closest to the foul line?
Closer to the foul line is smoother, but only if you are there with good knee bend. If you are more bent over at the waist, that can be bad. What you are looking for in this still is if the ball is rolling vs. hydroplaning or spinning. You can still have the ball roll even if you aren't closer to foul line.
@baldbrothersbowling thanks a bunch. I am bending my knees to get down, perfect sense. Thank you for the response.
Practice this at home throwing the ball into an old couch.or across the bed and into some pillows to build up muscle memory.
Yes!
50 year old woman here. Been bowling for a while. How do you protect the tendons/ligaments/muscles in your wrist & hand trying to do this? I’ve shredded my wrist trying to “get behind the ball”. Taking a month off from bowling to heal. 😢 leading up to the near death of my wrist, I was bowling better but in so much pain. Got my first scratch 201 in league week before last. Now, no more bowling.
That is an excellent question and we certainly don't want injuries. So sorry you are dealing with that. The main issue is usually too loose of a thumb, leading to squeezing the ball which will activate those muscles and tendons. The thumb should be so snug that if you hinge at the base of your thumb, you could lift ball with just your thumb with ease and doesn't feel like it is slipping, but not too snug so when you release the hinge, it falls off (see my video on the importance of thumb fit). With a snug thumb, you also want to avoid curling the ball. If you pull back with the thumb during the backswing, it can get into that position, and then in the down swing, you should only feel pressure on the thumb. Now all this said, this technique is for those trying to really increase revs. You can just hold your wrist flat with thumb pointed slightly left to put your hand in about a 45 degree angle and stroke the ball, still releasing the thumb first, and score very well. If you struggle doing this relaxed, try this method. It's not worth and injury.
I can do what you teach but when I uncoiled the ball seem to be flat..and just go straight.. alot of rev but no hook in the back end.. The only way my ball hook is by lifting it on my upswing like a football spiral.. What am I doing wrong? Your suggestion be appreciated..
The football spiral is actually a great technique. I did this with the kids and when I paused his arm in the back with a football, I showed how coiled his wrist was. When he followed thru, it was uncoiled with a turn. If it is coming out flat, you are likely not turning or turning the wrist late. But the football spiral is essentially what you are going for.
Yep definitely something I need to sharpen back up on. Presented to perfection in this video.
Thank you.
Most people cant roll the ball and get under the the ball because of bad timing
Agreed. I just did a timing video that posted a few days ago, so hopefully people see that one and get that down.
I'm a suitcaser haha
Nothing wrong with that. It's how most of us are taught, and it is a good way to start out. I was that way for much of my youth and it was in college that I started doing more. Even then, I was more of a stroker, and it's been just in the past few years that I've really focused on these other techniques. It's the reason you see my hand more on the side during my takeaway when you watch my vlogs. I'm working on that still, but it's getting better. The good thing is that I think those that suitcase the ball can transition into a roll pretty well.
@@baldbrothersbowling i do it because i get the least wrist pain as holding the ball palm up puts weight on the tendons that hurt and where i bowl has no oil so dont need anymore revs
@@EGGJAZZmakes total sense.
If this was 100% true then there would be no need for all the different ball, covers, and weights inside them we all would just hand to roll it
I don't follow this logic. All the stuff you mentioned is still needed for all the different oil patterns, breakdowns, etc. Those factors don't make up for a poorly thrown ball.
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Excellent video! Please continue these detailed explanations. Helps a lot.
Absolutely will.
Less is more.
Often times it is.
Great video but please get a new ball the slingshot is ancient .
Edit: i didn’t watch the video long enough 🤣
Lol. Yeah, I have a lot of new equipment. I knew I'd get some flack for throwing that. 😂
@@baldbrothersbowlingisn’t that the slingshot I gave you and coach troy at the end of last season 😂 (this is Angel btw)
@@angeldust2614 yep, it is.
Please on your videos aim at bowlers to use the thumb to hold onto the ball thruout the swing and delivery. You can roll the ball with thumb in too. Most people having a thumb on either hand would have to ignore a God- given tool to roll the ball. This demo is bogus. Sure, I see aim for you is get watches for a technique that is lame but easy for house ball bowling. Thumb in bowling is better for people.
😂
Did you watch the whole video or just watch the first few minutes then comment? I am a thumb user, and I show how to incorporate the thumb in this video. The technique at the beginning is there to learn to uncoil the wrist,then I bring the thumb in. In fact, I have specific other videos on the importance of the thumb and having proper fit. Bogus? Nope. It's okay that you don't like this. Don't do it. There are many who benefit from this and this video is for them.