1977, would walk down that runway every morning to work at the London Graving Dock ship repairs. Of course, back then it was a road with storage sheds and cranes on each side. Our workshop was right next to the KG5 dry dock which is roughly where the planes stand right outside the terminal. So the terminal was built right above th dry dock. Pretty sure the dock gates are still in situ.
The rate of decent was normal, check out the red/white slope indicator lights to the right of the runway. Only until the last few moment did the plane drop slightly below the normal path. Being a shortish runway I expect the captain wanted to get his wheels down early on the runway.
Normal for this approach, but London city airport is not a normal airport, the standard glide slope angle is 3.3 degrees, but London city has a slope of 6.6 degrees (I think) whatever the angle is, it is much steeper than a standard approach angle
No it is 't. Standard glideslope angle worldwide is 3 degrees. LCY is set at 5.5. And so are the PAPI's. Descent rates are higher. The issue with the 146 is the approach body angle requires a 'double flare'. The 2 white lights you see on the runway mark the last point you are allowed to touchdown. If you go beyond it's a mandatory go-around. The 146 & RJ series were a perfect LCY match. I flew it for 5 years from LCY. Lovely aircraft and airport.
I've always liked the overwing design for aircraft which to me seems more natural. Considering this plane has no reverse thrusters, it stops in a remarkably short distance.
And just over the dome at 11 O'clock sits EGLL London Heathrow. I love taking off from EGLC London City airport and going the dome to Heathrow, nice practice
no idle chit chat going on here. They are very focused. It is a 5.5 deg approach vs the normal 3 deg. They have to touch down within the marks on the runway or a go around is mandatory. At their rate of descent a 1 second hesitation to flare will use up 20% of their flare height and they will hit hard. Only 4400 ft of runway. It is a demanding operation, although the 146 is relatively slow and has a nice big wing.
With the state of automation, the controls of this aircraft seem almost ancient...effective but the similar cock[it design of an aircraft 40-50 years ago.
It was a standard design then, but it was even an old design then, it launched several years after the technology of the A300/A310 and only several years before the modern A320. Ultimately a beautiful aircraft, entirely fit for purpose for what it does. The RJ upgrade provided a lot of useful modernisation
George Reynolds you try holding an iPhone 5 on a bump approach into city, I filmed this for my personal memory and thought I’d share, I’m no film maker 👍🏻
@@danshelswell4335 It's a nice personal memory, but the zooming magnifies the shaking. As it is a steep descent, a shot of the AH or vertical speed instruments would have been interesting.
I’ve landed at London City in September 2015 - also on a BAE146, I can assure you that was a very smooth landing indeed - for the 146. Perfectly normal touchdown. Also note the lack of any reverse thrust upon touchdown, and that very short roll out.
@@scorpion7227 reverse thrust makes it so you can land on a shorter runway. this aircraft has no reverse thrust, only manual breaking. the slower airspeed needed to land at london city due to no reverse thrust making it be a hard landing. they had to get the aircraft down as soon as possible to ensure them stopping on the runway with only manual breaking.
the bae146 has been build to be approved by the london city airport. He has very big flaps for his size. It allows it to have less noise than other aircraft + it has been build to be a " high approach" aircraft, in order to reduce noise for residential neiborhood around the airport. to summarize to all urban airport in the middle of city . That's why it has a high approach :)
1977, would walk down that runway every morning to work at the London Graving Dock ship repairs. Of course, back then it was a road with storage sheds and cranes on each side. Our workshop was right next to the KG5 dry dock which is roughly where the planes stand right outside the terminal. So the terminal was built right above th dry dock. Pretty sure the dock gates are still in situ.
That's quite a steep approach!
Its normally 6 deg approach.
@@johnbrett1575 5.50 Degrees
Since it is landing in this airport it’s very normal
I love this aircraft and that approach into London City. Great post.
The rate of decent was normal, check out the red/white slope indicator lights to the right of the runway. Only until the last few moment did the plane drop slightly below the normal path. Being a shortish runway I expect the captain wanted to get his wheels down early on the runway.
Normal for this approach, but London city airport is not a normal airport, the standard glide slope angle is 3.3 degrees, but London city has a slope of 6.6 degrees (I think) whatever the angle is, it is much steeper than a standard approach angle
No it is 't. Standard glideslope angle worldwide is 3 degrees. LCY is set at 5.5. And so are the PAPI's. Descent rates are higher. The issue with the 146 is the approach body angle requires a 'double flare'. The 2 white lights you see on the runway mark the last point you are allowed to touchdown. If you go beyond it's a mandatory go-around. The 146 & RJ series were a perfect LCY match. I flew it for 5 years from LCY. Lovely aircraft and airport.
This used to be Shipping Docks - ships brought cargos here from India, Singapore, Hong Kong, China and Japan.
I've always liked the overwing design for aircraft which to me seems more natural. Considering this plane has no reverse thrusters, it stops in a remarkably short distance.
Installed cargo doors in 146s back in the late 80s down in Alabama, USA........seems like a million years ago.
I like the analogue cockpit. When ever I see a Bae-146 landing, I can see the least of the landing flair compared to other aircrafts.
nice plane, nice city, nice landing, nice video.
Nice comment, nice co-
I landet there together with my grandson on 21 july 2017 for a weekend London from Rotterdam .
Cool video 👍 subscribed
Beautiful!
Красота!
Impressive!
Nice view into London
Excelente.
Looks like a tactical approach
real city airport! nice clip!
Very good nice landing
So. Awesome.
Ale musi być dopiero prędkość skoro z góry widać pas taki malutki,a za parę sekund przy lądowaniu wszystko się zmienia,piękna praca być pilotem 👍👍👍
and over the mountain we go.
Lindo parabéns pena que aqui em várzea grande MT aeroporto marechal rondom internacional não pousa aviões assim internacional Cuiabá Brasil
they should equip those new engine option geared turbo fans on the Bae 146 . . .its such a perfect machine for having them . . .
Brown trouser gland: activated.
very cool airport surrounded by water
From Brazil Brazil.
And just over the dome at 11 O'clock sits EGLL London Heathrow. I love taking off from EGLC London City airport and going the dome to Heathrow, nice practice
100 50 40 30 20 10 BUTTER!!
Holy hell, that thing doesn't even have a glass cockpit!
Nope, She was built in 1985, and still flying hard everyday. Don’t build them like the British used to anymore
Grizz - glass cockpits are great but one day two pilots will be sat in a small bare room seven miles up.
My Gogh
Panels )))
no idle chit chat going on here. They are very focused. It is a 5.5 deg approach vs the normal 3 deg. They have to touch down within the marks on the runway or a go around is mandatory. At their rate of descent a 1 second hesitation to flare will use up 20% of their flare height and they will hit hard. Only 4400 ft of runway. It is a demanding operation, although the 146 is relatively slow and has a nice big wing.
I think international regulation prohibits chit chat below a certain altitude and during specific parts of the flight to avoid distraction.
Loosened my fillings.
wow that approach is so steep on glissade
It's London city where houses and buildings are right there .they have to fly high so they don't disturb as much
@@noodle7515 5.5 deg. Normal approach is 3. So you are quite right - almost twice the normal angle. Most airplanes can`t do it.
Nice approach. Interesting that the camera didn't quite get the colour of the PAPI, it desaturated due to over exposure.
I think the camera is good. That's how the PAPIs look when you see them from an angle.
キャプテン老眼？？
There is an outdoor pool now which is open in summer in the docks next to the airport so there are amazing views that I can literally cycle to
With the state of automation, the controls of this aircraft seem almost ancient...effective but the similar cock[it design of an aircraft 40-50 years ago.
well guess what - it`s first flight was 39 yrs ago!
It was a standard design then, but it was even an old design then, it launched several years after the technology of the A300/A310 and only several years before the modern A320.
Ultimately a beautiful aircraft, entirely fit for purpose for what it does. The RJ upgrade provided a lot of useful modernisation
BENTLEY. 1977
SubhanAllah:)
Rate landing
where were the gpws call outs?
Как на авианосец.
Bang
Firm
What airline?
+MytosHD Jota Aviation G-SMLA
Airport looking small to me from plane
Dopey Gang very short runway in a very small airport
That’s actually dangerous like what if a plane over ran... however I don’t see that they have enough area to make it large...
Dopey Gang
He also looked to high
Jim Widener due to the surrounding buildings the approach is very steep. Roughly double the normal.
Fd2s ay
Из окон моего сына видна это полоса. )
Печально. Сын эмигрант...
@@bigheadbig5910 Не так уж печально, ) учится он там !
Is it heathrow airport....????
एक भारतीय AN INDIAN London City, a tiny airport in the Docklands, east end of London
London City Airport. 🤷♂️👍😎
Would this navigate using VORs? (Because I see no FMC)
The FMC is there its on the First Officers side of the center pedestal. Its called an GNS-XLS FMS unit.
@@jefflewis4 what's the item on the Pilot side? perf computer or?
@@fuchyBE Its the transponder. Instead of a dial to set the code, you press the numeric keys.
Does someone know what airline that was?
Possibly British airways
@@Attomicc076 its not. Its jota aviation
For the love of god ! Upgrade those avionics!! Lol
@Charles U Fahrley why?
Jersey Flying 🤣
Charles U Fahrley Old school is cool
@@Mark50x also generally more reliable
They are just fine as the are. Great airplane!
The approach looked way too high.
Plant Seed the PAPIs are 2 red 2 white, it’s a perfect approach for LCY
Glide slope for London is 5.5°, almost twice the "standard" glideslope of 3°
they didnt talk to atc at all
The British engineers have moved the noise from the outside to the inside of these whisper jets. That's why you don't hear the radio traffic.
Did someone know that which airline and aircraft it was?
Istayaque Juhi yes its easy to know by the cocpit
its JOTA AVIATION
It would have been nice to see the instrument panel, e.g. the rate of descent. Too much zooming and shaking!
George Reynolds you try holding an iPhone 5 on a bump approach into city, I filmed this for my personal memory and thought I’d share, I’m no film maker 👍🏻
@@danshelswell4335 It's a nice personal memory, but the zooming magnifies the shaking. As it is a steep descent, a shot of the AH or vertical speed instruments would have been interesting.
I’ve landed at London City in September 2015 - also on a BAE146, I can assure you that was a very smooth landing indeed - for the 146. Perfectly normal touchdown. Also note the lack of any reverse thrust upon touchdown, and that very short roll out.
DID SOMEONE Know WHICH AIRLINE AND AIRCRAFT IT WAS
The aircraft was a Bae 146 not sure which airline...Could be British Airways?
Hmmm. Back then it may well have been Flybe. British Airways were not operating this plane on regional routes.
Swiss had the rj version with glasscockpit and the mcp from the 737
jota aviation
Jota aviation BAe 146-200
BoAtEr
Un poco brusco la toma, más velocidad y adiós tren
Shit! They blow a tire?
Boeing 737 Max
Hard landing.
Scorpion Shaft the right style, Look at the Short runway. The BAE 146 has no thrust reverse.
@@enterIT-xl8cc How is it related to hard landing ?
@@scorpion7227 reverse thrust makes it so you can land on a shorter runway. this aircraft has no reverse thrust, only manual breaking. the slower airspeed needed to land at london city due to no reverse thrust making it be a hard landing. they had to get the aircraft down as soon as possible to ensure them stopping on the runway with only manual breaking.
Scorpion Shaft you have to Match the Touchdown Zone.
Hayden ORourke we are both right
Rayanar landing😂
too high approach?
You don't know about London City Airport, do you?
LCY is a 6 degrees nose down approach. One of the steepest I believe.
the bae146 has been build to be approved by the london city airport. He has very big flaps for his size. It allows it to have less noise than other aircraft + it has been build to be a " high approach" aircraft, in order to reduce noise for residential neiborhood around the airport. to summarize to all urban airport in the middle of city . That's why it has a high approach :)
papi lights shows its a good appr
Look at the VSI you dope and the glideslope bug - NOOB
Looks like your not even moving
وش ذا النزول الله يصيبك 🤪🤪
This plane needs upgradation. Quite old plane and risky.
Huh??
Lame
Beautiful!
So. Awesome.