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Is Once Saved Always Saved Biblical? Debate Pt.1 | Ono Reacts
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2023
- In this video, I address a passage cited by Dr. Michael Brown to assert that salvation can be lost. I pray this video provides clarity and dispels any confusion concerning this subject. God bless! -OD
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Salvation cannot be lost just like a familial relationship cannot be lost because of the bloodline. The scriptures are clear that whom God chooses, His "elect", whose names were written in heaven before the foundation of the earth, whom Jesus said He would by no means lose (John 6:39) but would raise "all" up at the last day, cannot lose their salvation. Psalm 65: 4, "Blessed is the man whom YOU CHOOSE, and CAUSE to approach You, that HE MAY DWELL IN YOUR COURTS [meaning forever]..." Jer. 32:39, 40, "I WILL GIVE them one heart, and ONE WAY [Jesus is the WAY], that they may fear Me FOREVER...And I WILL MAKE an everlasting covenant [in Jesus' blood] with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I WILL PUT My fear in their hearts, that they SHALL NOT DEPART [Heb. "sur", apostatize] from Me."
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Even Jesus Himself, spoke of names being blotted out of the Book of Life.
Revelation 3:5 KJVS
[5] He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
OSAS is a false doctrine. We must overcome in order to have eternal salvation.
We must keep the faith. 1Jn 5:4
We must obey Jesus.
Hebrews 5:9 KJVS
[9] And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that 👉🏿obey him;
@@roblane5699 You know, you can quibble with me all you want, because I'm nobody. I didn't write the scriptures. They speak for themselves. Corey explained your contention with the "blotting" out of the book of life very well from the Greek. But because you can't grasp it, you want to fight against anybody who agrees with it. Apparently, you fail to understand, that His "elect" DO obey Him, that's why they are called His "elect". Jesus said in Matt. 24:24, that only His "elect" will not be seduced to apostasy by the false teachers, which exactly aligns with the blatant teaching of Jer. 32:40, which I previously wrote about. Why can't they apostatize? Because Jesus Himself "KEEPS" them, just like He said of the 11 apostles in John 17:12, 13, "While I was with them in the world, I KEPT them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have KEPT; and NONE of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the scripture might be fulfilled." And in verse 11, He prayed, "Father, KEEP through Your name, those whom You have given Me..." Are you claiming that God cannot KEEP all that He gave Jesus before the foundation of the world? Jesus Himself said, "And I give them eternal life, and they shall NEVER perish (they will not depart from Him in this life nor in eternity to come. If He can't keep us now, what assurance have we that He can keep us from apostatizing like Satan in heaven throughout eternity? If can keep us from apostatizing in eternity, He can also keep us from apostatizing in this short life); neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand...(John 10:28, 29) Jesus also said, "ALL (each and every individual, not just whoever can make to the end) that the Father gives Me SHALL COME to Me (meaning, they cannot refuse to come); and him that comes to Me I WILL IN NO WISE CAST OUT (they cannot apostatize)." And He also said in John 6:44, "NO MAN CAN COME TO ME, EXCEPT THE FATHER DRAW HIM (only those whom God gave Jesus in the Lamb's book of life will come to Jesus); and I WILL (emphatically, without question) raise him up at the last day." And in John 6:39, Jesus said that of "ALL" that the Father had given Him, He would lose NOTHING (not a single one), but would raise them all up at the last day. Just as surely that the scripture was fulfilled about Judas, the above scriptures shall be fulfilled about His elect, that He will not lose even one. That, sir, is the full assurance of salvation. Why do you buck it? John put it this way, "Whosoever is born of God does not continue to practice sin; because God's seed *REMAINS* in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God" (1 John 3:9). And there are many other such scriptures. If you can't believe it, that's your problem. I hope you wake up to the very true reality of the "eternal" salvation (not just until we decide to apostatize) that He has given us. Once you do, you will appreciate Jesus more and the "so great" salvation that He has given you.
Adios.
@@roblane5699 i wonder if they were the ones laughing
Christ, St Paul, and St John teach that we can lose our salvation by not persevering to the end. We must believe and love to the end. If we sin seriously (eg: murder) and do not repent we will lose our salvation. 2. Paul also taught that our faith must be accompanied by good works. We must believe, and we must love, in our response to the free gift of Grace. He condemns the Works of the Old Jewish Law in Romans, but both he and Christ say good works of the New Law are essential and that we will be judged by them. All this is not the Protestant heresy of Once Saved Always Saved, and it is not the Protestant heresy of Faith Alone: 1. We will lose our salvation if we do not persevere: “He who PERSEVERES unto the end will be saved.” (Matthew 10:22) St John writes, Let what you heard from the beginning ABIDE in you. If what you heard from the beginning ABIDE in you, then you will ABIDE in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he has promised us, eternal life (emphasis added).(1 John 2:24) 1. Cor. 10:12- “Therefore, let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed LEST HE FALL” In 1 Corinthians 1:18, St. Paul writes, “For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are BEING saved-” notice that’s a present participle there, “being saved,” which indicates it’s a present state of salvation, an ongoing process. 1 Corinthians 4:3-4, where St. Paul himself says, “But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court; I do not even judge myself.” St. Paul is saying, “I’m not aware of any sort of sins that would take me away from God and destroy God’s life in my soul,” but he says, “I don’t even judge myself.” 1 Corinthians 9:26-27, St. Paul says "Well, I do not run aimlessly, I do not box as one beating the air; but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be DISQUALIFIED.“ 2. Good works of the New Law “‘Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven’” (Matt. 7:21). “For he will render every man according to his works . . .” (Rom. 2:6-8). “For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified” (Rom. 2:13).
We were sinning without remorse before we get saved. Now, when we get saved, we hate sin, even though we still sin, we feel remorse.
T this point you don't have a choice then. You essentially become a robot. I'm guessing Demas was never saved? Paul seems to think he ..."departed the faith"
Christians don't hate sin after they get saved, which is why ~God had to instruct saved believers on how to serve in a godly manner. Positionally all our sins are eternally paid for. What the bible means by this is that we cannot sin against God positionally because we are in Christ who has no sin. He has impute4d his perfect righteousness to our account forever. Rom 4:22-24, Heb 9:12, Heb 10:10-14 KJV
However, we can allow sin to reign in the flesh our allow sin to have the better of us in our Christian lives.
God chastens his beloved when we allow sin to reign to much, he'll use somebody or something to chasten us so we might learn our lesson and grow in grace.
When u continue sinning u become a slave to the devil eventually u will fall
OK Q 4 U WILL OR CAN JESUS CHRIST EVER ,,, UN,,,, REDEEME AND ABORT HIS OWN AFTER HE REDEEMS THEM ? PEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE ANSWER BACK IF YOUR BRAVE ENOUGH that is i dought you will because you know the answer,
EVERY BODY SINS EVERY DAY BUT ARE THEY COVERD BY THE BLOOD OF THE REDEEMER BY THE BODY ?
The fact that they claim they don’t “sin willfully” or “practice sin” according to their standards shows how deluded they are. They sin everyday in some way, but are too prideful to see or admit it
Absolutely! I was a mess because I believed what they believed but I wasn't a hypocrite. I followed the doctrine to its logical conclusion and lost hope in my works, as I kept failing God. There is no room for works in salvation.
@arcguardian Amen Same happen to me, I truly believed the Gospel one night, but soon after got carried away by the doctrine of Lordship salvation, I tried as best as I could and still fell miserably, I was in constant stress fear and anxiety, one day I just prayed to God pretty much saying that I was hopeless, and Our Heavenly Fahter in His mercy brought me back to the simplicity of the gospel, He is still healing me and my trust towards Him, it's hard to get out of the snatch of that doctrine but I Know now that Jesus will never leave me nor forsake me. Our Heavenly Father will continue the work He estarted in us until He completes it 🙏
@@edgarnavarro1283 thanks for sharing. So many scriptures don't make sense, if our salvation depends on us.
Philippians 1:5-7
New American Standard Bible
5 in view of your participation in the gospel from the first day until now. 6 For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work among you will complete it by the day of Christ Jesus. 7 For it is only right for me to feel this way about you all, because I have you in my heart, since both in my imprisonment and in the defense and confirmation of the gospel, you all are partakers of grace with me.
@@arcguardian Amen Brother/Sister 🕊
To be exact, biblically speaking, no born again Christian sins by will or from his will. We still have sin 100%, no one is sinless, but the sin of a born again Christian comes from the flesh, not from the spirit or mind which is the will. You see this made very clear in Romans 7:13-25. "For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members." (Rom 7:22-23 KJV) The mind or spirit of a Christian is born again and does not want to sin, but the flesh brings the spirit into captivity, so that he will stumble and sin.
Thank you brother, you always encourage believers in what Christ has done for us 👍
@discipleadamos9527 remember who truth is ? It's Jesus Christ, all born again believers, have him
It's one thing to receive knowledge of the truth
Those who believe on Jesus Christ have Truth
You're fear tactics don't draw people to Christ
All it does is bring insecurity and fear.
I'm not going to debate with you
Father God please protect all mothers especially single mothers! Even as I constantly struggle to pay my rent. And I constantly struggle to provide groceries for my children! I trust you Lord! I’m choosing to keep faith. Walking with faith is the most important thing us christian’s must do. That’s why love compassion and prayers are all we truly need. Please keep me in your prayers. As Christians it’s vital to trust God no matter what we are facing. I want to give up so bad! But God won’t allow me because he is our only strength in this world. As a single mom, things are tough on me. My husband passed years ago. I feel so alone. Both of my sons are autistic and non verbal. I’m constantly struggling to provide for my boys. I’m overwhelmed and so ashamed. Father God hear my prayers. My faith in you is strong! Even though I’m constantly in fear of losing my home. I have faith a miracle is on the way! Faith over fear!
Hello, I am Niko. I have been a born again christian for about 12 years now. Can I get to know you better a bit? I ask because I might be able to help some. Kindly, Niko
Praying for you maam, Jesus wants you to remember this!
Philippians 4:19
And my God will meet all your needs according to the riches of his glory in Christ Jesus.
Just want to support those out there preaching the gospel. God bless!
An Arminian (Michael Brown) debating a Calvinist (Corey Minor). Pharisees vs Saducees. Calvinism and Arminianism are 2 sides of the same false theological coin. 2 unsaved men debating salvation wrongly exegiting Hebrews 10...
Exactly
Both are unsaved
Amen!
Hello man! Long time no see! How are you doing? I hope well
Unfortunately there is STILL this false dichotomy that we must be either arminian or calvinist in our theology. Either for loss of salvation or then Jesus only died for the elect few. How about Bible? Jesus died for all but only those are righteous who put their hearts' faith in Him and they can never be lost, so eternal security
AMEN AND AMEN Gregg, These two guys are wicked reprobate devils who do not understand salvation as well as having NO assurance of salvation.
I can't speak for Dr Brown but I know for a fact Corey is saved . We need to stop being ignorant.
" I am the resurrection and the life, he who believes in me though he was dead now he lives, and everyone who believes in me will NEVER DIE" Lord Jesus Christ
Amen!
Diamante is one of the best bible teachers on RUclips! And what I'd say about all the 100 commentaries the man asked if they were wrong I'd say yes! Degrees and being a popular preacher means nothing having wisdom from the holy spirit does! Losing salvation calls God a lier! Losing salvation contradicts God's promises in his word! It's written in the last days people will not give heed to sound doctrine and sound doctrine is believe on the lord Jesus christ! The itching ears want it to be harder they want to add to it it just can't be that simple! But it is! Men used to buy slaves just to set them free and that's what Jesus did for us all he bought us and set us free from the power of sin and the flesh! Foolish lordship devils are devils adding to the gospel placing a heavy burden and yoke around the necks of people! Jesus said my yoke is light but the lordship damnation heritics make it heavy!
It is impossible to lose your Salvation. It's a free gift from God. The Holy Spirit comes in and never leaves you. You are sealed forever in His hand. It's God's work in you, His Righteousness, not yours.
AMEN!!!!🙏
You cant lose what you didn't earn, its a gift.
And it is more than that. We are His possession, Ephesians 1. He owns us christians as a father owns his children.
but you can refuse it and walk away. 1tim 4 :1
@@bertgoat Are you a works salvation heretic?
@@bertgoat Works salvation is blasphemy
@@maximusvonce1381 I see you have learnt a new phrase, not in context though, that would be too much to ask. Have you ever taken the time to read 1 Tim 4 or do you not need to concern yourself with the scriptures because of your vast insight .
God will never take his gift to you from you
he might not take it but you might loose it. I might gift you a phone but due to your carelessness loose it.
he might not take it but you might loose it. I might gift you a phone but due to your carelessness loose it.
@@drummouthpiecedmp3181 I hear you
God will never take the gift away if your persevere to the end! Christ, St Paul, and St John teach that we can lose our salvation by not persevering to the end. We must believe and love to the end. If we sin seriously (eg: murder) and do not repent we will lose our salvation. 2. Paul also taught that our faith must be accompanied by good works. We must believe, and we must love, in our response to the free gift of Grace. He condemns the Works of the Old Jewish Law in Romans, but both he and Christ say good works of the New Law are essential and that we will be judged by them. All this is not the Protestant heresy of Once Saved Always Saved, and it is not the Protestant heresy of Faith Alone: 1. We will lose our salvation if we do not persevere: “He who PERSEVERES unto the end will be saved.” (Matthew 10:22) St John writes, Let what you heard from the beginning ABIDE in you. If what you heard from the beginning ABIDE in you, then you will ABIDE in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he has promised us, eternal life (emphasis added).(1 John 2:24) 1. Cor. 10:12- “Therefore, let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed LEST HE FALL” In 1 Corinthians 1:18, St. Paul writes, “For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are BEING saved-” notice that’s a present participle there, “being saved,” which indicates it’s a present state of salvation, an ongoing process. 1 Corinthians 4:3-4, where St. Paul himself says, “But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court; I do not even judge myself.” St. Paul is saying, “I’m not aware of any sort of sins that would take me away from God and destroy God’s life in my soul,” but he says, “I don’t even judge myself.” 1 Corinthians 9:26-27, St. Paul says "Well, I do not run aimlessly, I do not box as one beating the air; but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be DISQUALIFIED.“ 2. Good works of the New Law “‘Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven’” (Matt. 7:21). “For he will render every man according to his works . . .” (Rom. 2:6-8). “For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified” (Rom. 2:13).
NO REDEEMING THEN,,,,,,, UN.. REDEEMING THE SINNER LATTER OSAS IS VERY TRUE
Brown can cite 10,000 illegitimate translations and it won't make his works based salvation true. Michael Brown is in this very discussion trampling underfoot the blood of Christ by appealing to works of the flesh for salvation in any part, and in his case a very large part.
As always a clear and concise explanation of the simple gospel of grace. I am glad you are out there doing these videos Norm.
the translations are not illegittimate, folks like Dr Brown likes to just cherry pick one verse and twist the Biblical meaning. Like Ono did, start at prior and following verses and Dr Brown will know he is in the wrong.
Romans 8:38-39 KJV
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, [39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Thanks!
"Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready ti be revealed in the last time."
1 Peter 1:5
It's always been about belief alone. Abraham was accounted righteous by belief alone in what God said would come to pass years before he did any works. The way someone was saved before the cross was by looking forward in time and putting their belief alone in the coming promised messiah to be saved. Today, after the cross we look back 2000 years to the cross and to Jesus's our saviors shed blood for salvation. This is called the eternal or everlasting gospel. ZERO works or merit of our own is to be added to what Jesus said he finished.
Thank you, clearly taught and expounded, brethren beware of false teachers, God bless to all who love Jesus. 🙏
This is actually a solid explanation of Hebrews 10
Amen, brother! Maybe if the good Doctor would throw out 99 of the 100 "bible" versions he had he could spend more time reading the entire passage for context. Well done. Praise our Lord Jesus.
Thank you brother for this clip. I added it to my playlist (Debunk once saved always saved doctrine). Cheers mate.
How about adding this to your play list ,does Jesus Christ ,EVER UN, redeem his own then ABORT them After their PROBATION , PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE ANSWER BACK IF YOUR BRAVE ENOUGH THAT IS.
Basically these folks think that what Jesus Christ did on the cross was not good enough....do y'all think these are the ones that the Lord will say " I never knew you"?... because these folks are trusting in themselves and not Jesus' sacrifice on the cross....
How can someone rest in His perfect peace if they have to constantly worry about losing their salvation?
Heart breakingly I just found out that one of the pastors here on YT, that I've always trusted and learned a lot from, declared last week that the verse in Hebrews has to mean we can lose our salvation because he said he couldn't find any other way of figuring that passage out...my heart sank when i heard that from him... I'm not going to say who this is and I'm not trying to be ugly but I'll never listen to him again, because I can't trust a pastor that thinks God's gift to us wasn't good enough... I'm just wondering how many other pastors that I trust feel this way...its just very heart breaking...
What Christ did on the cross was good enough. The question is what we are required to do to get that promise of eternal life are we doing it
I hate this false premise of ‘You don’t think Christs sacrifice was enough’. We do. Just because we believe you can willingly reject Christ and his gift after being saved and go to Hell doesn’t negate His saving power at all. We believe God doesn’t force people into heaven against their will just because they believed and accepted Christ for a few years. We will always have a choice to reject God and suffer the consequences of doing so.
likely alot of them are not even saved....I believe you are correct.....they are still trusting in themselves; rather than Christ alone....
Another fantastic explanation, thanks ono!
I was wondering, would you be able to make a video talking about how God deals with believers who continue in sin?
Dont u sin ?
Imagine spending your whole life battling OSAS and not wanting to grow in grace. There’s a crown waiting for those who do His Will. All scripture is Gods breath and it’s useful for teaching rebuking and training in righteousness so that the Man of God maybe thoroughly equipped for every good work.
I believe some people will "wordsmith" their way into Hell. They might "win an argument" with new believers, but what damage they do, is tremendous.
The will of the Father is to believe on the Son
@@mkplusultra4171 AAAAAAA MMMMMMM EEEEEEE NNNNNN
To my knowledge of Minor and Brown, Minor is a lordship salvationist and Brown is a pentecostal who advocates loss of salvation. What both theological beliefs combine is that we must persevere in faith and good works in order for us to get to glory. Lordshippers say if you do not then you were never saved to begin with, loss of salvation'ists say you are saved now but if you willfully go into sin and do not repent, then you will go to hellfire.
The issue is that not everything is about heaven and hell. I am with Onorato here that these folks in Hebrews 10 are real, ACTUAL christians but they despised Jesus's blood by legalism and self-righteousness. That is why the previous verses talk about animal sacrifices. The same is talked about with Galatians in chapters 3-5. They were saved by grace, through faith in Christ Jesus alone yet they went under legalism. They, for one, added circumcision(Galatians 5) to the Gospel. Paul, by Holy Spirit, instructed them not to do so, and only focus on Christ Jesus and now live in Him by His Spirit, not by self-righteousness in the flesh.
So, I also believe one cannot lose his salvatiom but Hebrews 10 is talking abiut believers going to self-righteousness and if those believers do not repent then God is going to give them severe discipline, even death in some cases. At the end of the day Jesus is our righteousness and He is our hope of glory, And His is the glory, praise ans honor for saving us, and we should live for God, not in sin, and honor Jesus and not try to get into some self-righteous pride, thinking our works of any kind, good as in adding to the Gospel or lack of sin as in we are better of because we do not sin here or there, that they'd add something to our salvation. Jesus is all in all.
Also, could y'all say a prayer for me? I have some sort of a depression still, my mind ain't so right. Just down, weary and tired mentally. Also, I'd need to find a local church to fellowship. I have been looking for one but so far not one particular has showed itself to be good. There are calvinists, liberal mainstream lutheranism and other extreme charismatics I wanna stay away from. So, for those two if any of you would be kind to pray I would aprreciate it
Are you a cessationist? And what do you mean by extreme charismatic??
@@raphaelfeneje486Well I am a cessationist, yes.
Extreme charismatic is, as I was one also, who thinks all should speak in tongues, miracles are for every day as a norm, every believer can heal the sick, when experience of visions and dreams are added to Scripture, saying Sola Scriptura is not enoigh etc.
I am nit against experience, we all experience things with God, God does miracles as He wills and we can in faith ask Him to heal us and many times He will, He most importantly wants our broken hearts to be healed, to have a close relatuonsip wtih Him
@@NikoFinn I still don't understand you. You're not a cessationist then. That's against your worldview. You really don't know what you believe in. Cessationist don't believe the Holy Spirit can speak to you, don't believe in having visions or revelation from God, don't believe in tongues, don't believe in the supernatural. They've turned God to a puppet and a remote that they can control and tell him when to stop ministering to his children. You have to change your worldview to suit into that. You probably should listen more to prideful people like John MacArthur and his colleagues. They mock Christians that have supernatural experiences with God.
I'm a Pentecostal(not a oneness Pentecostal that's Herectic), and I am enjoying my walk with the Holy Spirit. I have experienced God in a dimension that has convinced me. I have tasted and seen. I pray and fast and I speak in tongues. That's why the west has become lukewarm and cold. They don't know God beyond what they hear. That's not Christianity, that's not a relationship
Amen brother, so many people take Hebrews 10:26 out of context. It's rather sad...
At face value it looks exactly like what it says.
@@patcola7335 yeah it really does, context is always important
@@patcola7335 As long as you apply the correct context.
Great breakdown of these scriptures in context 🙏
Hebrews 9:12 KJV:
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Amen Onoranto Diamante!
Don't you know that eternal is really temporal and Jesus didn't give us eternal life?
@@scifiuniverses3736yea whosoever actually just means the elect, and faith actually means works. I don’t get what is so complicated here. Look at the arimaic
@@WrightlyDividedlol
@@WrightlyDivided LOL...
THANK YOU LORD JESUS for my precius redemption
"Don't be deceived" by preachings of false Gospels. Keep up with your delivery of the true Gospel; thank you, and God bless.
AND what is the TRUE gospel 2u ?
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. This verse couldn't be any clearer that once you are saved you are always saved. There isn't going to be another sacrifice for sins. Christ already did it once and once was enough. Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ ONCE for all.
Wow! This is easily cleared up by a thing called "context"
There is a very simple problem with the dogma of “once saved, always saved.” That problem is that it is just not biblical! The truth is, the dogma of “once saved, always saved” is part of the doctrines and commandments of men. Consider Matthew 15:1-20; Mark 7:1-23 → Galatians 1:6-20 and II John 1:7-11!
Not convinced of OSAS at all. To be considered “Adversaries” of God and yet still saved is just dumb. The whole ‘Gods just going to severely chastise you’ is no where indicated in the text when Paul compares the death penalty of Moses law to insulting the spirit of grace; in fact the consequences of insulting the spirit of grace is of MUCH worse punishment than a traditional death penalty. How can God chastise a person worse than that? That’s why Paul says we must have endurance, for we can still be sent to hell if we don’t endure until the end.
Hebrews 10:36
“For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise”
You must be using wrong translation of the Bible. Stick to KJV
Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
The will of God is to believe. John 6:40
You see these hebrew believers had no patience and were becoming faithless. They feel the need to do something for the forgiveness of their sins. They were not confident anymore that they felt they needed to sacrifice bulls and goats. Just like people today they feel like they need to do works. You don't do anything for the salvation. Do works only because you are saved.
And finally, the promise mentioned in Hebrews 10:36 is not eternal life but rewards. Hebrews 10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. Remember salvation is free gift not a reward.
@@maximusralte777
No, this is talking about THE promise and we all know that is eternal life.
“For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise”
Why do we need endurance if believing in God fully once in our life is enough?
@@buddy_132 It's patience. Not endurance. It almost synonym whichever it is it has nothing to do with eduring with works and maintaining salvation. But rather to live by faith. The patience/endurance he spoke next of concerns living by faith, which is God’s will for us. John 6:40
And to encourage Jewish believers to resist going back under the law and to fully entrust their salvation to the Lord’s once for all time sacrifice.
And I think you are right. The promise here is eternal life.
@@maximusralte777
Even if I grant you the “patience”, why do we need that to receive THE promise?
@@maximusralte777
Also want to add I fully believe in “faith by grace you have been saved and not of your works.” What I’m not convinced of is that you can’t ever fall away from God; even by denying the faith through your words and or actions. So many times we are told “those who endure until the end shall be saved.” So why must we have endurance/patience to obtain salvation when we have passed on from death into life by the hearing of faith? The only option I see is that it is possible for devout believers to fall away completely from God. There’s a reason why we are warned to not be deceived.
Crystal! Clear! Thank you sir.
This is a song I made a few days ago and I had to include the real gospel preachers and you’re in it brother. Keep teaching the truth 💯💯💯💯❤️
“And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last day. For it is my Father’s will that all who see his Son and believe in him should have eternal life. I will raise them up at the last day.””
John 6:39-40 NLT
You didn’t do anything to deserve salvation, and you can’t do anything to lose it. It’s a free gift from God that Jesus Christ paid for, and you can only receive it by placing your faith in Christ alone! ☝🏽📖💯
I accepted Jesus I love him with all my heart. However I still struggle with sin and worry about my salvation. Lord Jesus please protect us from sin. ✝️
Logic proves eternal security. As a matter of fact, losing a salvation position is logically self-defeating, so it must be wrong a priori, and it needs to be thrown away.
Here is an example....If someone says to you that you have(right now you are in possession of eternal HEALTH for example, there is no scenario in which you can get sick anymore. If you get sick, it wasn’t eternal health in the first place. We have two potential positions:
1. If you have got eternal health, you cannot lose it, and you will always have it
2. Or you never even had it.
The position of losing it is logically impossible and self-contradictory.
Your analogy assumes that the "eternal health" and possession of the "eternal health" are the same or inseparable.
However, the benefit of eternal health is derived from possession. Thus, it doesn't logically follow that the possession cannot be lost. Eternal health and posession of it are distinct.
The eternal health applies only to those in possession of it. If possession is lost, the derived eternal health itself is unaffected, but since it's no longer in possession, then the eternal benefit is no longer applied.
So, if one has eternal health right now, the eternality of it is still rooted in possession. *If one has an "eternal stone" right now, it doesn't mean that, logically, they will always be in possession of that "eternal stone" simply because the stone is eternal.*
@@ThomasJones77 If someone has an eternal stone, it really can be a case that tomorrow he doesn’t have it anymore.
Because stone is eternal, you and stone are 2 separate things, you just have it right beside you, its quality doesn’t transfer to you at all!
But….If we already have eternal life, that’s not something that we have in our backpack or right beside us. We already have it inside of us.
Our eternal life is part of us now. Its quality already transferred to us!
We have already passed from death to life! 1 John 3:14.
This’s why your analogy is not valid here!
We have only 2 logical options, but you are advocating for a third, which is not logical and it's self-defeating:
1. If we already have life that never ends, if tomorrow can end it, it was never EVERLASTING life(life that never ends)- in that case Jesus lied! (John 5:24)
2. If we ALREADY HAVE EVERLASTING life(or life that never ends), it cannot be a case that life can possibly end.
3. We already have everlasting life, or life which never ends, until the moment it ends?!
You have a self-defeating position here, which leads to logical contradiction.
To sum up…
Although it’s true that we could lose some eternal things such as diamonds or stones(although they are not eternal- which is the whole another story by itself), it doesn’t logically follow that everything that’s eternal can be lost. What is true for some,it’s not true for all.
@@vinkosusac1130 @vinkosusac1130 Thanks for the great reply! However, you still assume, in this case with "eternal life," that eternal life itself and possessing eternal life are the same thing logically.
It doesn't logically follow that having eternal life now means you must remain in possession of that life otherwise you never had possession of it. Why? Because the eternality applied is still rooted in possession, and only as long as you have possession will you have eternal life.
*Obviously, if God says one will have eternal life then he will obtain eternal life and never lose possession of it. Period. But that adds in a 3rd option to secure possession, whereas your analogy assumed eternal possession based on the derived benefit alone instead of the One who can secure the possession for us so that we can ultimately receive the goal/telos of our faith: the salvation of our souls (1 Peter 1:9)*
Nevertheless, Scripturally, we get both assurance and warning as believers. Both sides of the debate draw hard lines to try and prevent some *perceived* logical contradiction that Scripture isn't concerned about. Thus, both sides usually assume their position too much into certain passages, unable to release certain presuppositions to simply let the inspired, God-Breathed Text speak.
Saying the one sanctified who has trampled...that faces fiery judgement and being consumed is just "divine chastisement" is one example on that side.
@@tr5392 Your logic is very poor. Your first 2 sentences don’t bring anything new to this argumentation.
Your last 2 sentences are just your presupositions…
John 15 talks about bringing fruit, not about salvation. That’s why fruit is mentioned at least 10 times in the first 10 verses!
Whosoever doesn’t bring fruit, gets burned. Not in everlasting fire, you are just presuposing here that’s about hell.
God made an animal skin for Adam and Eve to cover the shame of their sin. The Law came and took away one's sin based on a yearly renewal. Jesus replaced the animal sacrifices, and the Blood of the Lamb of God, Jesus, takes away our shame and sin forever.
God bless Corey!! Once again, speaking the true word of God! God bless Ono!!
I think Corey believes the repent to be saved false gospel
Hey Corey is Lordship Salvation as well… he believes if you wilfully sin you were never actually saved.
Amen brother I commented before I heard the end of the video with you I thought that we might be going through some other scripture so I wanted to comment on each part your spot on God bless you
If Hebrews 10:26 is speaking to a born again believer than that would contradict these two verses Ephesians 4:30 not to grieve the HolySpirit who you were sealed with till the day of redemption. Hebrews 13:5 says God will never leave us nor forsake us.
Sealed FOR/UNTO the day of redemption. Not UNTIL. You have misquoted a very important word there. As for Hebrews 13:5 that does not preclude US from forsaking HIM.
Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
The more I read the Bible myself, the more I realize a lot of these “experts” either haven’t read it or misinterpret it horribly
Jack Deere once said, "Over the years I have observed that the majority of what Christians believe is not derived from their own patient and careful study of the Scriptures. The majority of Christians believe what they believe because godly and respected teachers told them it was correct."
If you grew up in an OSAS church (I did) that is what you are going to be indoctrinated in. And don't get me wrong, God wants us to have assurance of salvation. But I don't believe OSAS anymore, there are dozens of verses that contradict it. But anyone that is OSAS-committed is going to read that conclusion into all the verses. I think it is important to step back and listen to both sides carefully and decide for yourself.
and with that conclusion, what is your understanding of the topic?
Works salvation heretics are pharisees.
" I am the resurrection and the life, he who believes in me though he was dead now he lives, and everyone who believes in me will NEVER DIE" Lord Jesus Christ
Corey would definitely agree. Michael on the other hand is the false one. He’s friends with known heretics.
The word believe is used too loosely among Christians, for you to believe, one has to obey the commandments.
@@hermansmikle6685 Wrong. Salvation is not contingent on obeying the law. You must believe in works salvation. So i take it you are sinless?
I'm a poor sinful soul, The bible that I read tells me that in order for someone to get eternal life, there has to be a change of life style. Salvation, as one person explains, is the gift to everyone for a chance to come to Christ .
Now, I'm just trying to find the truth. I can search the scriptures and find all over where one have to maintain Christlike behavior.
The question that once saved always saved people don't want to hear is. How much sin can you commit until you are not saved? All the scriptures in the text that Dr. Brown read and explained . You want people to believe that none of them are warnings to the believers? If so then why would depart from ,and fall away from and cut off be directed at people who was never saved or never apart of or had never abide in ? If those warnings are for those people. I forgot continue in the faith. If all those scriptures are for the lost then where's the scriptures for the saved? How can you Equip the Saints when basically the New Testament was just written for sinners? Why say faith without works is dead? Why say without faith it is impossible to please God ? Why tell Saints not to even set down and eat with a sinner who says that he's a brother? Wouldn't that be ridiculous? People what most once saved always saved people try to convince their followers of is this . If you believe that you can forfeit your Salvation, because I don't believe that we loose it like car keys. These individuals want you believe that you can't walk away. You can't refuse the Spirit. You have to do what ever the Spirit tells you,but you want stop sinning ? You can never be told no by God because Christ paid for it at the cross. People Christ work is finished. Not ours . Let ever man work out his own soul Salvation with fear and trembling. That's our personal relationship with Him ,not self-righteousness, but It's our continue faith and trust in Him no matter what. Lastly again. Why have scriptures of don't do,and if you don't, and many more if there is no consequences to your actions ? Ask yourself this question. Christ work is done . Dont be deceived that God doesn't require anything from you.
These pseudochristians, who claim you can lose your salvation, really should give us a verse which clearly says that someone lost his salvation! Stop giving us some verses in which you are just merely claiming it’s talking about that
The Bible has 31000 verses, it should be easy!
1 Corinthians 9:24 - 10:12
Matthew 13:1-23
Matthew 18:23 - 35
Just a few to think about
@@JD-yq3dd which one of this verses is talking about losing salvation?
Don’t trow me a multiple verses. I know all of this verses and their meaning.
Give me your best shot!
We all sin willfully as well
Exactly, and even more so once we have the knowledge of the truth. Beforehand it was like breathing for us, we literally didn't even think about sin. Now that we are saved it's like seared into our conscience, and we all still do it. Sin is our first birthright, eternal life is our second birthright through Christ. Saved Christians are the ones that sin willingly more than the unsaved.
@@Viknlaoswhat you are saying is incorrect. We all have the law of God written on our hearts from birth. Even though we were unregenerated, we knew we were sinning, AND we experience guilt. This is evident in the world today among the unsaved. People are drunk, high or commit suicide to escape the guilt. Saved people don't sin more than unsaved people, because we have our hope and our mediator.
Yep we do! And we are kidding ourselves if we don’t think we do.
Those who dont CHOOSE TO OBEY THE LORD ⬇️
Joshua 24:15 kjv- And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, (choose) you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
(Free will choice)
2 Chron 15:2 kjv- ....The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.
(Free will choice)
Malachi 3:7 kjv- Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
(Free will choice)
Revelation 3:20 Niv- Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me. (Free will choice)
Matthew 7:21 kjv- Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (Free will choice)
Luke 6:46 kjv- And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? (Free will choice)
John 14:15 Amplified- If you really love Me, you will keep and obey My commandments.
(Free will choice)
A simple explanation not all the round about explaining that leaves you more confused than when you first read it. Amen
Dr Brown is such a wonderful and knowledgable man of God. I am so surprised that he doesn't believe I OSAS
If you dont have to try no remove sin from your life then I would suggest you read the entire book of Ephesians(its short) Then tell me why it was ever written in the first place since OSAS
THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST CLENSES THE SINNER THE 1ST SECONND THEY PUT THEIR TRUST IN JESUS CHRIST TO FOR GIVE ALL SINS PERIOD PAST PRENT AND FUTURE SINS THATS THE GOOD NEWS JOHN Ch 3 Vs 16 DOES JESUS CHRIST EVER LIE YES OR NO ?
Yeah, I have never heard Michael Brown explain a Bible verse correctly. I watched him a little when I was unsaved and not sure how to be. He is very confusing and heretical.
I used to listen to Brown quite a bit. He is 100% right on Bible authority and eschatology and biblical stance on Israel, but he us definitely wrong on loss of salvation, gifts if the Spirit and some other main matters of christian faith
He uses incorrect Bibles too
It is the term sanctified that draws confusion, and it is this term that is used (in this verse) by those who believe a person can lose their salvation. But the question is, can an unbeliever be sanctified? The answer is, yes, they can. There is sanctification by association, which Paul described with married couples. The unbelieving husband is sanctified by the believing wife and vice versa. So, in the Hebrews passage, all Israel, as the chosen people of God, have been set apart (sanctified) by the blood of Jesus. The writer was speaking to those who hear this knowledge (the gospel) and ultimately reject it.
Im glad this video was made to reveal cory minors TRUE thoughts about salvation without him covering it and hiding and twisting words. He back loads works like every other free will believing pastor and its finally revealed in this video. This is all i needed to see.
I find it amazing that dr brown is using this verse and argument to argue against OSAS, yet when it comes to unbelieving jews in israel who reject christ as well as his best friend.....christ denying rabbi smuley biotech....he believes they are "seeking God" and we must stand with them and support them. dr brown is about 2 things only.....fighting culture wars and supporting israel.
When it says he was sanctified it means it happened in the past tense not had something than lost it.
Corey Minor seems to be treating warnings as theoretical impossibilities. So what is the point of the warnings? Especially if they're to those who are not and will not be Christians? But I think this issue has become a bit of a mess because some of the terminology/theology is not precise enough nor open minded enough so it results in some verses seeming either for or against.
You either trust Jesus or you don’t.
Amen 🙏 brother in Christ ✝️ God bless
If born again brethren’s in Christ like us sin willfully then God is going to chastise his born again brethren’s in Christ like us but God will NOT take away the Salvation (Eternal Life) of his born again brethren’s in Christ like us so that his born again brethren’s in Christ will go to hell and lake of fire for eternity.
THAT MAKES NO SCENCE @ALL
@@theodoreritola7641 Why does it not make sense? If you are not going to answer why does it not make sense then you don’t make sense.
Guys, I think the way to nail this scary verse is by holding to verse 14: "For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy." The verse says we are made perfect forever! Not for a few years until we sin too many times, not till the judgement seat of Christ where people are finally judged, but forever, to the eternities of eternities Amen!
Hebrews 10:29 is the walking away from the truth you once knew that Jesus Christ is the ONLY WAY to Salvation who is fully sufficient not adding any of our good deeds, works, our sufferings like purgatory, having the gifts of the Spirit of casting out demons, prophesying in His name, etc. Apostle Paul warned us NOT to mix the Law and Grace because then salvation becomes uneffective.
“ I tell you the truth, anyone who
believes in me will do the same
works | have done, and even greater
works, because I am going to be
with the Father.” John 14:12-15
If someone is sealed with the Holy Spirit, who can throw Him out? Where in the New Testament is the Holy Spirit evicted from the believer? In the Old Testament there are verses where He did leave a person, like King Saul. Name the verse in the NT where He leaves the believer, and at how many sins caused Him to vacate? There are none.
Well in the Old Testament Holy Spirit worked differently than today in some ways. The Spirit came on some people for service and could leave, like priests, Kings etc, but in the New Testament all believers have Holy Spirit "until the day of redemption"(Ephesians 4:30)
Excellent video and explanation of a difficult passage. The reader really has to pay close attention to the grammar and context to understand correctly.
The people who say you can lose your salvation cannot express that tipping point or line where you lose it. Since we all sin by omission or commission , what kind of assurance is that?
If you can lose your salvation as a believer, you’re essentially saying the sin or sins you committed as a believer can overthrow what Christ did on the cross, which was, you know, DIE FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD, THEREBY DEFEATING *SIN AND DEATH!*
If Christ defeated sin and death, and you are saved by believing in Him, which means you are covered by His blood, gain His righteousness, and are justified in the eyes of the Father, how can your sins cause you lose your salvation? By you saying that, you’re saying that sin is more powerful than what Christ did and that Christ’s death was insufficient and therefore in vain. Jesus Christ already defeated ALL sin and death itself, therefore not amount of sins a believer commits can cause him to lose His salvation. If you sin as a believer, your life will be hell and you won’t gain rewards in heaven, meaning sin still equals a lose, just not a loss of salvation.
It says in 10:30 that the Lord will judge His people; that does not mean that they go to hell or lose their salvation. God does not have to send a truly saved Christian to hell to make them wish that they had obeyed Him.
Corey Miner understands in full what CHRIST DID on the cross.
Hebrews 10 is all about what CHRIST DID on the cross. Those Hebrews had heard the gospel of Christ yet were going BACK to the old levitical laws and they were sacrificing animals still, therefore they didn’t truly BELIEVE in what CHRIST DID. Hebrews 10:26
There is no more sacrifice for THEIR SINS because CHRIST was our ONE TIME SACRIFICE FOR SIN!
Here's a nugget to consider. If you sin in your thoughts, such as lust after a woman, you've committed adultery. Being angry with a brother or sister brings you under judgement according to scriptures. The overall point of the matter is, you better hope your sins don't negate your salvation, because everyone does these things.
John. 10:28. Nonthing. Will. Pluck. Me. Out. Of. The. Father's. Hand. No. Matter. How. Deeply. We. Gone. Into. Sin, it's. According. To. The. Riches. Of. His. Grace. !! Galatians. 2:16. John. 6:29. Believe. In. The. One. He. Sent. We. Cannot. Lose. Salvation. The. Moment. We. Trust. Believe. Depend. And. Rely. On. Only. Trust. N. The. Finished. Work. Of. Christ.
The. Most. Worst. Sinner. Goes. To. Heaven. If. They. Believe. In. Jesus
Context is very important...well done...the temple was still standing...therfore your explanation is correct
To Dr Brown: What would then be the difference between being once sanctified and walking away to no longer NEVER be covered again with a back slider who comes back to the Lord? It can be one or the other but not both. He's speaking to Hebrews who decide to go back to the OT sacrificial system. It has nothing to do with the rest of us.
Acts16:31* I like this vs. so much because it is so explicit in it's message... I will attempt to break it down in regard to it's verbs..from the original Greek text...The vs. says ,Believe on the lord Jesus Christ ,and thou shalt be saved....Believe is the main verb...it is a aorist active ,imperative of the greek verb Pistos ,to believe. The aorist tense is a point of time that you believe. This is a special aorist tense that takes this point of time and perpetuates it into infinity..The active voice ,the subject ,produces the action of the verb,you believe. The imperative mood is a command. Saved is sozo, a perfect passive participle .A participle is an auxiliary verb that supports the main verb..The perfect tense show a completed action. The passive voice unlike the active voice ,says the subject (the one believing in Christ)receives the action of the verb rather than producing this action...In this case he receives salvation. So based on the original text The vs.is more accurately translated. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and at that moment ,you are saved for ever and ever..
* Notice repentance is not mention because a spiritual dead person is not capable of doing anything to save himself.
* Frank Johnston
I can still sin after I’m saved, but every time that I do, I feel terrible about it… That’s the Holy Spirit talking. I usually say what the apostle Paul says after sinning… “Who will save me from this body of death“?
Also Sanctified in Hebrews 10:10 is in the perfect tense:(action in the past with results that go on forever
This guy is sincere, but he is sincerely wrong.
Revelation 3:5 KJVS
[5] He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
If we don’t overcome, Jesus said that He will blot our names out of the Book of Life.
Micheal Brown psalms 89 tells me that even if messiah's children walk not in my statutes and judgments I'll chasten but not utterly remove my kindness
Salvation is eternal. Jesus said whoever believes in him will NEVER perish. Never means never. There is no way you can lose your salvation. It is impossible.
And what happens to the believer that develops an evil unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God?
@@KJVisOutdated-ek9cw A true Christian would never become evil and a nonbeliever. Those are false converts. Someone who would leave the faith never belonged to Jesus to begin with.
@@RichardM1366 Unfortunately, scripture never says or teaches that a true believer will never leave the faith. On the contrary, it does teach that many will and do leave the faith. Do you not believe the scriptures?
THANK YOU
Ask Dr Brown if he still sins, if he says no he's a liar and the truth in not in him
Thank you!🙏
Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven. If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me. It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah. - Psalm 89:27-37
Good work Ono. Running to the Greek confuses those men. It's foolish running to a language you don't understand when the word of God is available in your own language. Taking a couple 3-credit Greek courses taught by a Greek teacher that doesn't speak Biblical Greek natively is fool's Gold. If the blind lead the blind they shall BOTH fall into the ditch.
If a believer can lose their salvation ,what exactly condemns them...Sin ,not hardly, sin is no issue it has been paid for by Christ.
Can you cover this passage ? John 14:21 - “Those who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them.””
John 14:21 NLT
I can’t get around it arguing with people who say works matter and we have to obey. I’ve seen you haven’t covered this passage yet .
You know, as you were speaking on Hebrews 10:26, I heard in the inner Man "does it say 'if we commit sins (plural) willfully...,' or does it say 'if we sin (singular) willfully...?'" Then, I Heard, "Selah..."
So, The Written Word clearly talking about the sacrificing of animal blood for the covering of sin which could NEVER take away sin... So there remains no more sacrifice for sins, except for the Perfect, Holy, ONLY, one time sacrifice of the Blood of the Lamb of God, that came to take away sins!
And, if Jack Styles was correct, Jesus's Blood (He Who IS THE High Priest FOREVER under the order of Melchizedek) never touch the earth, but instead was sprinkled on The Mercy Seat, just as the foreshadowing of the high priests who did it on the ark of the covenant beforehand!
We have The Amazing God WITH us, Who is MORE THAN AMAZING beyond human words! Amen!!
Amen and God bless you brother!!!!
You got it and in context
All glory to our Lord and Savior!!!
V26 is exactly has brother Onorato says, in my opinion. Yes It is a rejection of the atonement of Christ.
According to them it’s actually no way to tell ur saved😂 it’s really insane
Sanctification is a daily process. It's not a light switch you turn on and it stays on.
Salvation was made easy because life is hard
Amen brother!!!
This is strictly for those who don't believe in Eternal security.
Forget the Greek and Hebrew; it is in plain English, in the King James Bible. We are saved by grace, a gift of God, and He is no “Indian giver.”
God gave us an English bible for a reason, not a Greek or Hebrew bible. Dave Hunt, one of the best bible teachers I’ve ever known, didn’t know Greek or Hebrew.
A typical response by a man in error, which is to ignore, dismiss or change the meaning of verses that disprove their doctrine.
The devil can fool anyone not totally surrendered to Christ.
Everyone who is in error is also not living holy.
Problem is, so many are taken by pride, that they cannot admit they are wrong, in doctrine, and their manner of life. Those are lost souls.
It is that serious.
This is a hypothetical arguement about the hebrews who are being persecuted by the Jews because of their faith in Jesus and they are contemplating returning to the animal sacrifices. This is talking about severe chastisement not loss of salvation
The Lord Jesus Christ paid the price for ALL the World's sin, 2 Corinthians 5 19-21kjv. He shed his blood on the Cross for our redemption and for the forgiveness of sins, Ephesians 1 7kjv. All you have to do is believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the 3rd day and you will be saved, 1 Corinthians 15 1-4kjv. You will then be sealed with the Holy Spirit of Promise, Ephesians 1 13-14kjv. Both Jew and Greek (Gentile) are saved by this Gospel, Romans 1 16kjv, and we refer to Romans to Philemon for our salvation. Ephesians 2 8-9kjv teaches no works for salvation. Please look up rightly dividing the Word of Truth, 2 Timothy 2 15 kjv.
Y’all acting like you can’t throw away a gift someone gives you, or misuse it, or neglect it, or never unwrap it, or sell it, or deny it, or modify it, etc. etc.
When passages in the Word speak to both, it is safe to assume the more dangerous possibility so that you may be prepared either way. If all works is work of the flesh and there is never a way to lose your salvation, then you will be good in the end even if you act as if a form of works sanctifies you, and if there is a difference between works of the flesh and works of the Spirit that God has prepared beforehand and we are commanded to OBEY God’s will, and by not doing so we do jeopardize our salvation, than I’d rather act as if just in case that’s true. The reality is we will only find out FOR SURE when we go before His throne and all of our own understanding is confronted, and idk about y’all but I’d rather be safe than sorry. the Bible says our heart is desperately wicked and deceitful above all else, it makes sense that we could convince ourselves of not losing our salvation only to find out we are wrong when it’s too late and I don’t want to find out the hard way. The interpretation of scripture to mean “once saved always saved” I have always witnessed to be of dissection rather than supernatural revelation and confirmation by the Holy Spirit, so again, let’s be safe rather than sorry 🙏
1 corinthians 3.. 10 -15 will it be gold or straw. the day will disclose it. 15. if anyones work is burned up he will suffer loss though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. then he goes on to tell them what you are as babes in christ... i myself can confirm we grow from being a baby to maturity or to the meat. some scripture is to instill the fear of God to hold you but ultimately we are to come to the knowledge of christs love to us. And because of that knowledge of his love for us we want and try to live better or righteously because of it.. you are saved for eternity otherwise go and join any religion to make yourself right with God. Good luck with that. Because being saved eternally and knowing your saved is what makes us different from the rest..Anything else is righteousness by works of the law. Bless you all for life in Our Lords blood. amen
Cory Minor is a Calvinist Lite. That is why he has a hard time defending the truth of OSAS.
Corey Minor is not a Calvinist. That’s dishonest of you to say
@@cephasrock9175 OK we can go with Lordship salvationist. He teaches the Calvinist will have works doctrine and predestination. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@@cephasrock9175cephas stop coming here to defend Corey minor. It’s so cringe bro
So this does not mean they're losing their salvation right? Just facing severe punishment?
"IF" your (a "Christian") actions are so back slidden and against God's ways were you ever saved to begin with ? Because YES we still all sin but at what point does our constant defiance to "changing" and "repenting" on repeated arrogance show God that we're of a reprobate mind and refuse to change? Does this make sense what I asked?
Because "if" you're saved and WANT to sin less isn't that a step forward ? Because I know a "Christian" who is so back slidden that they refuse to change their ways. HELP me understand
The truth is after we are saved, we can still wander from the faith and suffer death in hell. James 5 tells us
“19 Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back,
20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.”
I pray God will guide your words and that your friend will listen and repent from his error. It may take 5 or more years till your words have any noticeable effect, but plant the seeds and let God give the increase. My own brother was like your friend, and it took 5 years until he called me and told me I was right about God and changed his life heavily for our Lord. Have patience brother and keep doing Gods will and increasing the knowledge of God so your prepared for anything. With much love Godbless!