How Quicksilver Broke Speed (and who can fix it)
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Ah, speedsters. While they seem to be having their moment, they can't quite seem to break out of an especially frustrating trend. In this video we talk about how the trend came to be, why it's problematic, and how we can fix it.
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People don't bring it up, but Over the Hedge has a "time in a bottle" scene. Might be the first one
I did come across that in my research. It's...strange
Wait it has the song too??
Beat me to it. I was just about to comment on that scene
@@Omega_Orion No, Hammy (the squirrel) just goes so fast time stops.
Didn't the Matrix do the same thing when people are shooting at Neo?
Age of Ultron Quicksilver actually used "time in a bottle" very sparingly too. It was used like the flourish you told it to be. The longest sequence like this in Age of Ultron is the one shown at 3:00, clocking around 6 seconds. To counterbalance not using the "time in a bottle" that so many other speedsters used, they put a lot of effort into designing how he moved outside of slow-mo and it shows when compared to the "blinking" style of movement you see in other movie speedsters.
A lot of aspects of Age of Ultron are better than people gave it credit for. It's still flawed, but I hope that after a few years now people can appreciate what it was trying to do.
In those scenes it also shows how fast Mjolnir flies even casually, which imo was cool, and if you pay enough attention to their group fights, it also shows Thor, Vision and Ultron moving not as fast as him but faster than the human characters, which I think was a nice secondary detail too.
@@umjackd i think part of the problem with age of ultron is its technical competency often didn't help it to do the things it actually needed to do- the use of light and colour in the movie are objectively better, but they make it feel less like a comic book story because the colour of the superheros is less prevalent as a result. To the point where the lighting in the original avengers feels better, even though it is technically very flat and doesn't make use of cinematic techniques to nearly the same degree (i think the issue there is that it took the colour and contrast it gave to the lighting away from the characters, somehow)
Sonic movie did that too.
There was only just one "time in a bottle" scene, because the last one they started using as a "oh look another time in a bottle scene, the character is fin-... oh wait Eggman is fast too" And then Sonic actually get serious and they fight in the "time in a bottle" effect while going fast in it.
Which imo is just really well done. It could be longer or more elaborated like the Dash scene... but it was ok.
And look what happened to Quicksilver in the end of AoU.
Another thing that works really well in The Incredibles is that we also get to see the weaknesses of his superspeed. Dash runs into a bunch of bugs which get smooshed on his face and he throws himself off a cliff, twice. They really thought about how his superspeed works and gave the movie time to show those moments of Dash not being fully in control of his power so he never reaches the overpowered level of X-Men Quicksilver or the Flash.
i think you’re really into something here
This could also be Brad Bird showing us Dash's inexperience using his powers too. Both Flash & Quicksilver have had superspeed longer than Dash and has used it more often so they have better control and generally more environment awareness.
In the TV show The Flash, one way normal people could beat Barry is by catching him by surprise. Doing that he isn't prepared to use his superspeed. Then later on in the episode Barry defeats the villain because he is prepared to face them and is more aware of them.
I love that you mentioned this because I always wondered why more speedsters don’t have those problems lol. Speed Force users are excused because they have protective barriers around their bodies but what about the other ones?
BikkeBane yup. I guess the biggest limitation of super speed is whether or not your reaction speed is faster
The Flash doesn’t just have Super Speed. He channels an energy that is powered by the concept of motion. An Unlimited energy that encompasses the multiverse. So he doesn’t suffer the same weaknesses as Quicksilver and Dash. So I don’t agree with him being put in the same category
Ironically, there was a new mutant with time-relativistic powers named Velocidad that can manipulate his own time to appear super-speedy. But he is unable to do the same things as other speedsters like running so fast that they can run on water like Dash or Barry Allen. So he is plagued by the biological constraints of his powers as he ages faster the more he uses it. Y'know like in Clock Stoppers.
Also Kiden from NYX
Wow that's actually interesting
Also, there's Hunter Zolomon (Zoom) who is a "speedster" that doesn't draw his power from the Speed Force. Rather than going fast, he slows down relative time. One such advantage is that even *other* speedsters see him as moving too fast
I love that.
Then there's the Turtle (at least in the TV show of the Flash) that can slow everyone else down.
“With clock stoppers there’s no tension”
Superman’s slowly turning eye:
“Am I a joke to you?”
I was going to give that scene a shout out, too. It was so unexpected!
Dio heaven asension :superman what a joke do i look like a joke too you ...???
Yeah because theres 2 speedsters
@@TheSadMusician
Haha so funny
@@ZealStarMedia haha so funny
While we're talking about The Incredibles, can we discuss how Violet has the best portrayal of a hero with invisibility and force fields? I mean what they did with Sue Storm twice was terrible.
The Incredibles is the best Fantastic Four film ever
And John Wick is the best Punisher movie. That's sad tho...
Sues way better in the comics. She blocked a blast from combine mad celestial. She’s mad powerful
@@jojomojofofo being powerful doesn’t necessarily mean better written. i mean don’t doubt she’s better written in the comics but your argument isn’t really valid here
Well they better watch speedster in anime; Tenya Ida; Sasuke; Rock lee etc.
Who broke speed was Flash from CW. Dude was faster than life itself and still got nerfed every episode
And he crys every episode to his friends to help him because he is too dumb to use his brain
In Elseworlds he runs so fast he's running around the world in a circle countless times in secs yet a few episodes later he can't catch a baddie because they ran off around the corner and "escaped". I get it Barry can't always be that fast but do what the comics do (mainly Waid and Johns stuff) and find ways around the speed.
If we're gonna talk about CW breaking speed, we have to mention Smallville.
The one that broke it for me was the episode where we see his "time in a bottle" POV seconds into an explosion. It's the same problem with Quicksilver in Apocalypse. It's just too OP fast, it doesn't make sense for them to be much slower in doing anything later on.
@@clementj the difference being that in that scene Flash actually defines it as a new ability he naturally is able to tap into, 'Flashtime'. As the episode progresses, all within Barry moving at this speed, he realizes that moving so quickly is incredibly straining, so he can only do it for so long before having to slow down. The way the show handles visualizing the way in which Flash runs is EXACTLY what Nando may be looking for. I'm amazed that in six seasons, the CW show has barely any scenes where they slow down time to represent Flash's speed, instead doing things like showing Barry from afar travelling immense distances with his signature flashy trail lighting up the streets.
I still get chills when Dash laughs after realizing he's running on water, the excitement is contagious, it's like you're there with him.
didnt even mention over the hedge smh
Or Smallville which used it all the time
@@davincent98 yeh
He didn't mention the girl the gold watch and everything
"Gonna cry??"
"It only works as a departure from normal super speed" couldn't agree more. When it happened in Sonic I sighed. Hopefully Flashpoint can reinvent the wheel!
The flash does does this time in a bottle thing the worst
For crying out loud the flash has infinite speed and infinite reaction speed
@Michael Antonio what?
@Michael Antonio only after new 52 and now after rebirth he is back to his original powers though
@Michael Antonio idk why i said what something about how u said it just confused me i guess
The flash should really be the only one who can do it since he can time travel
Feel the major problem you run into with speedsters is keeping them consistent. Someone like Flash will pretty much always be "time in a bottle" scenes especially against any random goons who have no chance. So you either have a half second beat down or show the Flash having a bit of fun moving them etc. That kinda goes onto another, your example of Dash only works cause they were able to keep up with him and they are going fast, but it's much more reasonable.
I think it's much harder than just "let them be fast" with certain characters.
You could say the same thing about most superheroes. Against run-of-the-mill henchmen, the fight is over before it begins unless they want to show off. And really that's something the MCU struggles with, where it's always a fight against an army of henchmen or a fight against someone with the same powers. It's almost never a fight between two forces of equal but different power, or, like in the Incredibles scene, a fight between an underdog and a superior but dumber force.
It would actually be dope to have a fast character with a considered limitation/consistency
@@daaaah_whoosh you mean like in civil war?
@@bamflyer Quicksilver isn't a time dialator, he is extremely fast, sure, but he isn't near lightspeed, unlike the Flash.
@@bamflyer How about a speedster who runs fast, but has human limited reflexes and reaction speeds, so that he has to always hold back how fast he runs in order to not smash his face against the first wall he encounters?
Here's my issue with this though:
Flash is time in a bottle. Quicksilver isn't.
The whole purpose of the Speedforce is to magi-babble why the Flash can have finesse while in high speeds and disconsider friction. Flash relativizes time , well, all the time. If you're gonna spend a whole movie with him, I get it, we need to see him act from the point of view of other people, but whenever we are with him we need scenes of how he sees the world, not that I disagree with Dash's scene example, but time in a bottle is what the Speedforce is.
Now, Quicksilver, as far as I know, is just fast. He can run really fast but he doesn't babble on how it is that he is able to do things. He is a hero that should have a lot more focus on doing things fast than with heightened senses. It is not the same kind of speed. He can't really act the same way as Flash does if he is not robbing speed from other things or negating friction. He is the car chase and the quick beatdown.
They are different characters with a different set of skills that looks the same, but it is like comparing a karate movie with a kung fu movie. It is not the same thing.
It's the same kind of inconsistency when we compare Ant-man and The Atom. Virtually the same, but one changes molecular composition alongside compression, which ultimately solves for density issues, and the other loops around into magi-babble into a micro-universe and extra-dimensional mass.
Wait....
A Karate movie is different from a Kungfu movie?
😳
@@kenbee1957 Not the same moves. One is a lot more about stances and power while the other is a lot more about speed and flow
Quicksilver in DoFP: Here, I need to hold your neck as we run so you don't get whiplash.
Quicksilver in Apoc: *throws dozens of children onto blankets at a million miles per hour* They'll be fine...
*THIS.*
Literally comparing Marvel and DC's ways of explaining the same powers in their respective universes.
I stand by Dash from the Incredibles having the best speedster scene. Super fast and powerful without being overpowered or invincible. Sonics final battle is actually pretty great too since it moves at a similar not overpowered speed unlike the rest of the movie
He can't dodge bullets, but he can dodge humans aiming, makes sense.
Also, with him not being super overpowered, we got to see a great scene with him discovering that he can run on water. Where as with some speedsters, that might not be a big deal.
It also does help that Robotnik figures out pretty quickly how to match up with Sonic's speed, so he remains dangerous throughout.
Once Netflix finally makes a Biography series on my unforgettable life story, the Prom Night episode will have an AMAZING Speedster scene. Well, horrible i guess, depends what POV they wanna tell the story from for that episode, thats up to them
Also, the most important thing Dash learned was that sometimes you have to stop to win. He stopped and went underwater so that the bad guys crashed into each other.
This dude got a weird obsession with the song Timber 😂
It is a great song to be fair hahahaha
Hahaha this made me laugh a lot
Yungandrekless it’s comin’ down
Don't we all?
I see no problem with that. lol
My favorite representation of super speed on screen was in Man of Steel. Superman fighting the two Kryptonians in Smallville showcased some really incredible speed and power. The decision to cut frames from some movements gave the characters anime style bursts of speed and looked incredible. When Fayora turns her attention to the soldiers, you can see how completely helpless they are to stop her, as she basically teleports around among them. The lack of slow motion really made it all seem more impactful, and I hope they go more in that direction with speedsters than more “time in a bottle” moments.
agree.
This! Me and my brother noted and discussed it as one of the cool things with MoS. The movie had some problems, but the fighting speed was awesome.
True
Man of steel was like a DBZ movie to me. When Vegeta comes to earth lol. The combat should like DBZ or any shonen manga/anime since they handle fast paced fights well.
Yes thank you
I think the MCU has been handling speedsters pretty well so far. The original Quicksilver only used "time in a bottle" sparingly and usually just moved super fast, leaving a blue trail behind him. In WandaVision, both "Quicksilver" and Speed have blue trails as the representation of their powers so far.
Agreed. I love MCU's Quicksilver. I hate how JL used Flash.. too repetitive. Just came of weird to me. Even with the Snyder Cut.
Time in a bottle scenes make it difficult to believe when these speedsters are hit by anything or unable to fight back at a villain that's slower. When they are in danger it's hard to believe the danger is real
You have to make it, like, taxing to use
they should have to take pills in order to unlock that power
Im all for the Wachowski's making a speedster movie, as long as they don't write any dialog...
are you an angel
Speed Racer is egregiously underrated
Tymetrain Anyone who says this isn’t the best quote in all of film obviously isn’t able to feel real human emotions
The matrix's movie logic was changed by the producers because they thought people who wat hed the movie wouldn't understand it
Lol oh come on, they write dialogue just fine. The heavy intellectual stuff is sort of purposely opaque bc it's coming from hyper-logical machines
The best depiction of a speedster remains The Flash running around the Earth in Justice League: Unlimited. Less than one second of time spent, just shots of locations in quick succession, from the perspective of Flash. The moment is so powerful I cry every time.
When he's punching Luthor?
yeah I love it it had so much emotion behind it
A big problem with the whole “don’t make it a time in a bottle scene” tho, is that, with your Dash example from the incredibles, he’s not only being chased but he has a ton of space to go. You literally called the scene “the 100 mile dash.” Speedsters aren’t always going to have that much room to show exactly what’s going on with the character, not even mentioning that other characters are probably faster than dash to start out with, so it’s just more simple to show what’s going on from that characters POV in superspeed than to just show a ton of whooshing in a room.
writers have the ability to right better scenes where they do have space to run.
solid argument
I agree I don’t understand the problem because they also show the speedster in open spaces going full speed it’s jsut when they want to show detail they have to slow it down otherwise it’s just a blur. Not every fight scene is going to be on a open area, because that’s not how people fight realistically. Also the dash argument, dash isn’t even that fast in the movie so he doesn’t need that much of slow mo scenes. How else are you supposed to show every particle and detail without actually being able to see them
theres also an episode of kim possible called "queen bebe" where kim wheres shoes that make her super fast and it eventually freezes the world around her because shes moving so fast
And it makes no sense unless it also speeds up the rest of her body and her brain's ability to perceive events.
@@Szanth there’s a scene like this in Futurama where a Fry drinks so much coffee time slows down from his perspective
@@pingozingo yeah but the one in Futurama is one of the best jokes of that episode, so I think that gets a pass
@@Szanth Queen Bebe is perfect
As far as I can tell, with all the Eternals hype around Makkari, you started the conversation on movies showing speed instead of slowing time
The speedsters themselves see time relative to how fast they run, otherwise they’d run into a wall before they can dodge it and die. The Time in a Bottle effect is to put us in the shoes of the character and while it decreases the tension it gives us a level intimacy with the character as it’s just us and them who get the experience this bullet time world.
Speedsters, depending on their speed, shouldn't have to worry about things as much. We need atleast one slowmo scene in a given movie, with the rest being scenes in which the speedster flashes by the scene. A few face shots to keep you with the character.
This exactly. The Time ina Bottle scene and those like it are from the speedster's pov. They (unlike Dash) are able perceive the world at the same speed they move at, hence why everything looks like it's slow mo. it's because that's how they perceive everything. The mansion exploding part also added an extra speed layer to Fox's Quicksilver by giving him the ability to go super speed IN super speed!
@@DarthDragon007 so technically, in the mansion scene when he goes even faster, everything else should just be moving even slower.
If their perception was accelerated to the same degree as their movement, a speedster that ran across a country would feel as if they spent days or weeks running, right? That's just ridiculous
@@torchphires nah everything around him would seem to be moving in slow motion but he can still run as fast as he wants
They should also take a clue from The Incredibles for how Reed Richards stretching should look.
They could take a clue from The Incredibles on how the Fantastic Four should be
It really bugs me when in those Time in a Bottle scenes, the speedster is standing still. If you're not moving then time shouldn't appear to slow down around you, unless they can stand still quicker than everyone else.
@The FBI he wasn't talking about that, genius.
@The FBI no, he's well aware that the slowmo thing is just the speedster perception, he's just complaining about how this shouldn't happen when they're not running, since there's no speed involved in that (unless they're vibing really fast)
but alright, go make some robots or something, since you wanna act all robotnik
btw, the non-vague answer would be quick thinking
they can process a lot more information in a matter of milliseconds, so time seems to stop even if they're not moving
*facepalm* Yes, even when you're "standing still," you're still moving.
The thing is that even when they're still standing still they still have their thinking and mental processing working on their favor. _That's_ what gives them the sensation of everything seeming to be in "stopped time".
I feel like Age of Ultron did it very well by doing one thing, showing Pietro getting tired.
The Fox's Quicksilver was simply OP, like you said, that he was written out or simply broke his legs...and the Flash can go back in time.
In the Avengers Comics from The 60s and 70s, Quicksilver was never "stop time" fast. He was just a really, really fast runner.
Kinda reminds me of the confrontation of between Hiro and the speedster in the show heroes where Hiro could control time and the speedster could move so fast that time stoppage was comprehensible to her also and there was an interenstive dynamic explored in that scene.
Heroes was altogether just awesome
@@kenbee1957 The first season, anyway.
That scene was great. Hiro was looking at her like "how are you moving?" All she could think was "How are you faster than me?"
@@Szanth I enjoyed it all the way up to the season when they changed Peters powers. Stopped watching after that, thought it was a dumb plot point lol
@@fuckinzell Season 2 literally didn't have writers
"Speed can be awesome in your every day life; that's why I'm proud to announce my sponsor for this video is crystal methamphetamine!"
In sonic they brought that tension back when robotnik used his quill to speed up.
Darius Cole-Samuels I also thought it would led to metal sonic origin
@@srstriker6420 I think Metal Sonic will be in the next movie
Silver days that’s what I hope along with a few characters like Amy and Chaos
@@srstriker6420 I am hoping for Tails and more Eggman
Silver days well I hope Jim Carry signs the contract
"for every Deadpool, there's a Deadpool" why's this fit with Deadpool so well?
It's because Dash is a cartoon, and trying to film Evan Peters or Aaron Taylor-Johnson doing something like that is a whole lot harder to make it look not-ridiculous.
But pretty much everything in the Time in the Bottle scene is CGI, so that was certainly no easy thing to do either.
I disagree. We'll well past the point where replicating that kind of scene is more than possible in live action
pretty much this was done in some parts in age of ultron... (if they gave aaron the same development as wanda, we would've seen more of speed than just the slow motion and time control evan
I did like how Sonic’s speed worked in the final battle when Robotnik activated his secret weapon though. Parts of that chase even reminded me of the Incredibles.
Not to mention the fact that for Quicksilver move so fast to experience "time in bottle" that he can fool around, he'd be moving violently fast. Anyone or anything he tried to save would be killed or destroyed. Quicksilver, for the most part, was never that fast in the comics. Moreover, he was described as constantly annoyed because everything around him seemed to move too slowly.
For me the slow motion or “time in a bottle” scenes are ok, it’s the lack of conservation of momentum that’s my issue... yeah sure, for the speedster the bullets or missiles or whatever, may seem to almost stand still, but in reality they are moving in a direction, and any interaction the speedster has would have to overcome that momentum AND once it has done that it would now be applying its own momentum.
So when quicksilver moves the bullets slightly to the side, they should now be spinning rapidly and primarily moving in this new direction.
When sonic moves missiles around, they should be continuing in the direction he pushed them in and also probably spinning quite a bit.
And it would be really nice if we got to see the speedster’s actually using some force to move objects.
That entire interaction has a huge ability to keep speedsters in check and at the same time make them really strong, like sure, you can save your friend by pulling them out of the exploding house, but due to the extreme speeds your traveling at they will experience some really hard g-force and may even breaks a few bones, or you may push a bullet out of the way from hitting a civilian, but now it got even more speed and an uncontrollable direction maybe hitting the villain and killing him or maybe hitting another hero and wounding them.
There’s a lot of possibility in making the speedsters ability a curse as much as a gift, but they are almost always just comedic relief...
Another part of this issue that's fairly common and is very pronounced in a lot of the quicksilver scenes shown in this video, not only do the objects they interact with not adhere to momentum properly, the speedsters themselves often don't in various ways, but most annoyingly they're shown moving at normal speeds while everything else is slow/ still, which is a time alter effect not a speed effect.
e.g. 4:56, the most telling "time in a bottle" I feel. He straight up isn't moving fast here, he hasn't got any of the momentum that'd come with that, he wouldn't need to make even half the steps he makes once he's going at the supposed speed he just starts at.
When Quicksilver is running up a series of platforms that he's able to land on and kick off've before they even start to fall from him stepping on them, that's already pretty bad- they're being treated like fixed objects when they should have just been shot into the floor as fast as Quicksilver is moving, but regardless he wouldn't be moving with "human-length" strides, he'd launch off whatever he stepped off, and would have to kick out against whatever relatively fixed object is near to make any notable change to his direction while airborne.
Quicksilver: *breaks speed for the first time*
Flash: First time?
Flash: breaks time for the first time
Reverse Flash: First time?
Flash broke time so hard he created the DC multiverse
I think A-Train is the scariest speed guy. At the end of the series the regular guy was just waiting at any second for A-Train to just run right through him.
I've been saying 100 mile dash is the best speedster scene for years so glad to see a vid on that
This issue + Into the Spider-verse had me rethink the entire visual language of speed in comic book movies... Sadly I think people would only accept it I animation... But I love animation so I'd be down for it anyways
rogue atlas or a pitch of the sequel
Isn’t it the Wachowski’s that gave us Time in A Bottle? Doesn’t that scene never happen if we don’t get Bullet Time in The Matrix?
Would love to see your opinion on Makkari in Eternals when it comes out.
i think that time in a bottle scenes are cool and fun enough to keep but it should be used sparingly. age of ultron quicksilver was actually pretty well done.
I don’t think the CW Flash show uses the “time in a bottle” sequence that much, so I like that
My favourite depiction of speed was in the Incredibles but also in the justice League unlimited show with flash and brainiac Luthor
The only speedster that can actually do the "time in a bottle" scene is the Flash and it's adjacent characters, and Hunter Zolomon (a.k.a. Zoom) can actually slow down time to look like he has super speed.
That’s how he sees things but people still move they are just doing so in a snails pace
@@rubengalindo8298 who're you talking about?
I don't care if flash can do that all speedster can they are seeing this at slow mo thus why that fast
@@faith4657 Characters like Quicksilver aren't fast enough.
Normal Human
But Quicksilver himself sees time slowly, that's why he's always so frustrated (Pietro Maximoff Syndrome). Could you explain your point, please?
This really got started in 2001, with the first season of Smallville.
The Love Hog the red blue blur
Excatly.
Thank you for this video! Honestly, Quick silver's "Speed scene" didn't do it for me. I didn't get what the big deal was and I couldn't figure out why I didn't like it and it didn't feel like what I would expect from Flash or Quick Silver. You nailed it. ty
I think Sam Raimi would make a great Flash movie. Can you imagine a Flash Cam? Like his spicy cam from his Spiderman movies? He also understands speed and momentum. Just look at the greatest super-hero fight scene ever; doc Oc and spicy on that train. In fact, the whole fight from the building/ clock tower to the train is epic. The camera is so alive in that scene, in the way it stops and stretches and pulls in and out with the speed and momentum.
Yeah, I don’t get the hype about Fox-Silver either yet so many people swear that he’s the fastest live action speedster. Compared to the other live action speedsters his feats are pretty small scale because I’ve never seen him run across the globe in minutes (Makkari) or move so fast around a major city that he was nigh-omnipresent(CW Savitar).
Andy Muschietti (director of “It”) has confirmed himself that he is the director of The Flash and he said production is going to start production soon this year.
I'll believe it when I see production start. How many directors have come in and dropped this movie?
@@Robin0928 It's scheduled for a July 2022 release and plot details have been developing, as well as casting possibilities for the Reverse Flash and Mirror Master. Excitingly it's going to be based on the Flashpoint arc. This'll be a great way to get people more interested in the DCCU, since Flashpoint typically involves time travel, alternate realities, and insane speeds. I'll be surprised if it's another sub-par DC film, since it's honestly pretty difficult to mess up the fun of a time travel movie, but we'll see.
@@Frostyfaucet Again, I'll believe it when production starts. All those details sound awesome, but at this point I'm not going to get excited for this film until I actually know its gonna happen.
Just watching now, but if I recall correctly, "Eternals" didn't use a clock stopper scene. Either Chloé Zhao watched your movie or she knew what super speed is meant to be. On the other hand, Makkari unfortunately is barely used.
Watching this after The Eternals and Makari is a fresh, fun takr on depicting speedsters
Speed Racer is really one of my favorite movies of all time. It was one of the first movies I ever fully watched as a kid and I'll never forget it.
My biggest grievance with “time in a bottle” scenes was speedsters cognition while moving so fast. I feel like it would be more grounded if speedsters couldn’t really make decisions to such and extent while speeding.
You know, WandaVision really did Quicksilver and Speed right. No slow motion scenes, it’s just fun all the way.
It’s hilarious and terrifying at the same time
yes
what about after when dr eggman activates his super speed and then the ending chase between sonic and him through the city, great wall etc? that was not slowing time i dont know lol
I think flash saving people from falling rubble was exactly what this video is about, great scene
I think A-Train in The Boys is a great portrayal of the proper kind of super speed you discuss here. I think it's especially great because they show him making mistakes by running so fast and he can actually get caught off guard if he isn't paying attention. They also try to instill some realism to the power by talking about his necessary daily caloric intake and how younger speedsters have an edge over him.
I'm sitting here trying to figure out why Nando doesn't have control of Hollywood yet.
The Makkari clip from the Eternals looks promising
came here to say this! Yes very promising!
Time in a Bottle scene was dope. It wasn't supposed to be tense. It was a moment of triumph with awesome visuals.
Watched this on my two mile run this morning, perfect fit for gym time running! Great vid keep it up!
What about Futurama's "time in a bottle" type scene?
I think Marvel listened to you 'cause Mikkari from Eternals didn't have a time slo-mo scene. I think, I only saw it once.
Excellent work as always Nando!
Another incredible example of speed done right is injustice 2 flash vs. reverse flash fight. It is exactly what your looking for in a fight between speedsters
But see, depending on how fast they move we need those scenes were they are slowed down, and in apocalypse quicksilver was moving at a normal speed and super speed while in super speed
Problem with this suggestion:
Unless the speedster is dealing with a very simple situation -- running away or fighting -- stuff _happens too fast to see them making choices._
Even _The Matrix_ used time-in-a-bottle. Arguably _The Matrix_ invented time-in-a-bottle -- it was called "bullet time", remember?
Why? Because the fight scenes wouldn't have worked without it.
I must confess here that my experiences aren't the same as yours -- Neo dodging and punching at super-speed doesn't have tension, for me. It's when it goes into bullet time and you see how close he comes to getting hit that you feel -- or that I feel -- the suspense.
This one video is worth a subscription. Well done!
This was a really well put together video
i mean, the flash CW show doesn't really use his "time in a bottle" that much, like once per season?
I don’t get it the movies are dope the “time stop” parts are so fire I think u should just enjoy the movie bro
The problem is that they have become too repetitive and overused. There are other ways to make use of superspeed in action sequences that just seem to be avoided by movie directors.
@@mekingtiger9095 This. Yup. They should be used sparingly or don't make it too long. AoU Quicksilver is still my favourite speedster. He doesn't have too much time in a bottle moment. JL's Flash on the other hand, personally slow-mo too much. Cartoon Flash doesn't even use "time in a bottle" and it's still fun to look at him. Still, any animated media do speedster better.
Wish I could be like you and just shut my brain off and watch a movie.
I love that he is insanely fast makes super cool scenes lol
Thanks for bringing up "Speed Racer" I appreciated only because I knew what I was getting and enjoyed the family feel on top of the awesome visual stimulation!
"We are probably not going to see Speed in any upcoming Disney+ show" - WandaVision got your back.
makkari did this a lot more successfully in eternals thankfully
I think the reason why they use the time in a bottle technique is because fast moving is best captured over long distances. Getting from point (A) to point (B) as fast as possible, but when your in a fight ,combating with someone ,the time in a bottle technique is best because you can see exactly how fast they are compared to everything else around them.
You are always on the money with your analysis. I appreciate it! Thanks, Nando!
Even if Quicksilver broke speed... those scenes are freaking fantastic
hey is that intro new? I like it :)
Aw thanks
This was a fantastically researched and presented argument.
Thank you for unlocking a hidden memory -- I had absolutely loved Speed Racer as a kid but I forgot its name. Now I remember.
Somebody @ this to Ezra Miller 😂
Your wish has been granted
That superbowl was amazing you bitter Bronco! (also great vid as always)
Soon as you mentioned Dash I smiled and clicked like. Your videos are so on point. subscribed.
Thanks! I think it's amazing that Incredibles was able to visualize powers so effectively in a way that has rarely been matched since.
@@NandovMovies I watched you Justice League rewrite a few years back Also, hard to believe you don't write on these films
Evan petter absolutely killed this role. I don’t know his comic character enough to speak on . He actually gives more of the ultimate Spider-Man vibe
I get so emotional thinking about how Speed Racer is making a come back in the zeitgeist. Such an underated and beautiful film and a great case for a Wachowski Flash movie.
Imagine a flash movie with hunter zolomon, so we have a traditional speedster in flash fighting a guy who's power literally is time in a bottle moments
this is one of your most underrated videos. i hope someone in hollywood making those movies watches this
I'm watching this video on Speed 2.0 ☺
What a legend.
Haha nando I know u not gonna reply
@@NandovMoviesAwh cheers bruv! ☺
Clearly they are confusing it with ZA WARUDO and overpowering the concept because of using it too often.
So what you're saying is that quicksilver is the same type of stand as star platinum?
Fun fact, originally Araki had planned for Za Warudo to have the power of all speedsters before settling on the same power as Star Platinum
Well, I like the slow-motion speed, I don't think is accurate but it sure looks badass, and probably one of the reasons people like to watch so much those slow-motion cameras videos on youtube
So glad you mentioned Dash.
Individual speedster's lore aside, I think the reason why Dash's speed scenes worked is that Dash is animated. Visually, animation just does a better job of showing fast human movement, and live-action doesn't. Sure, we can do fast cars, jets and motocycles live-action, but fast human movement has more aspects to it than vehicles. Think of the instances where they use "fast speed" in the MCU and DC movies and TV shows. They all look messy, blurry, and CGI-heavy. I think this is the reason why Hollywood tends to stick with "time in a bottle" scenes for live-action speedsters. It's the only known way for them to show human movement in "speedster speeds" gracefully without it looking like a muddy, blurry mess, or as if they put everything in fast forward. If you watched Every Frame A Painting's old video essay about Satoshi Kon, Satoshi Kon explicitly chose animation as his medium since live-action tends to be slower.
Hit the nail on the head there, bruh. It'd look ridiculous trying animate super fast running on a life-like model using CGI. All I can picture is "sonic-legs". Bullet-time (or time in a bottle, whatever name we're giving it these days) fixes that, as it's far easier and less visually uncanny to have the speedster move at normal speed while everything around them is still or hyper slow, than it is to actually show a person moving at superhuman speeds without resorting to turning them into a blur or having the whole "sonic-legs" effect (multiple limbs doing multiple actions within the same space). Matrix did it well enough with the dodging, but I genuinely can't see running working well.
Makkari fixed this problem.
The Age of Ultron “Time in a Bottle” scene shown in this video was only 6 seconds, and was the longest in the film. I think AoU actually handled Quicksilver’s speed well, especially as a lot of the problems couldn’t just be solved with it, unlike Days of Future Past. The Flash (show) also uses it quite well, IMO.
I think the Age of Ultron quicksilver does super speed the best, since we tend to see him from the perspective of other people, with the occasional slow down scene
Smallville did "time stop superspeed" way before Days of Future Past.
They started it.
I haven’t even watched a movies with quicksilver in it but it’s a Nando vs movies video so here I am
Great point. I read a comment that said Quicksilver's scene was almost perfect.. it was missing a clip at the end with him doing the same thing, but fast
As much as I’m meh on the Synderverse, I’m always thrilled how fast Superman and the other Kryptons move