Marvel Phase Two is in the Wrong Order
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While MCU Phases One and Three work very well as complete stories, there always felt like there was something off about Phase Two. And I finally figured out what. Phase Two is in the wrong order.
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Never really noticed how Tony barely wears a suit in Civil War, but this makes a lot of sense. Ironically, that’s probably my favorite version of Tony.
I know a lot of people were campaigning for Chris Evans and RDJ for Oscars for Endgame, but I think that if they deserved recognition for any performance, it was definitely Civil War. Civil War Tony was fantastic
Tony only wears a suit when he attends prestigious events
Mark Cruz Airports in Germany are very prestigious :)
Get it? "Ironically" like...Iron? Ok, I'll show myself out
SladerProductions 👏👏👏 well done
“Marvel Phase Two is in the Wrong Order”
Kevin Feige with the Time Stone: It’s Rewind time.
the stones are gone
Amit Barabi multiverse. Also the Quantum Realm.
No, Feige's yelling "YOU'RE out of order! THEY'RE out of order! The whole WORLD'S out of order!!"
😂
Ohhh that's hot
I like to see somebody do small edits to these movies, so they can all fit in the Nando order
I kind of want to try (even though some edits seem nearly impossible)
@@DewitNow by all means, give it a shot
@@DewitNow Speech synthesis is pretty widely available these days, so turning Jarvis into Friday wouldn't be too big of an ask, really.
You could just watch the Marvel Movies on Disney Plus in this order!
@@DewitNow dewit
Phase 1: Construction of the hero
Phase 2: Deconstruction of the hero
Phase 3: Destruction of the hero
Phase 4? : Villains deceptively become “heroes”
(Mysterio, US Agent in Falcon and the winter soldier probably, Thunderbolts maybe introduced or Dark Avengers/Dark Reign)
Hmm. Birth, Death, Rebirth. That sounds oddly familiar to the proposed trilogy around a certain other SUPERhero that everyone shat on.
@@northwindkey Are you implying that it didn't deserve to be shat on just because it follows a similar and very spread through-line? Also the Avengers are more like Birth (Av1) - Life (AoU) - Death (AIW) - Ascension (AE)
I believe that Phase 3 is the reconstruction of the hero. Endgame ended with the Avengers more heroic than ever
Phase 4: Replacement of the hero
Reasoning? They're setting up for young avengers and dark avengers
Civil War always did feel like the real Avengers 2...so this makes sense.
Civil War is leagues ahead of Age of Ultron
@Sir Knight Errant Honestly, Age of Ultron felt more like Iron Man 4. The continuation of his PTSD. Its so wildly different from the other Avengers films which are all to an extent about Thanos' hunt for the Infinity Stones. I think Avengers works better as a trilogy of Avengers, Infinity War and Endgame. Avengers Assemble, Avengers Fall, Avengers rise.
@@cameronjosephvideos5942
If Age of Ultron felt more like Iron Man 4, then Civil War felt like it was combining Captain America 3, Iron Man 5, and Avengers 2.5 into 1 movie.
Civil War is a Captain America film and even feels like one to me thematically personally.
Well no Cameron, making trilogy is bad idea cosidering the entire point age of Ultron is to show team growing a part which is actually the main theme of these movies.
Related: The Incredible Hulk is a better film if you watch it after Captain America because you understand what sort of Hero they are trying to recreate after they lost Steve
That's interesting! 👍
Agreed. I always watch Phase 1:
Captain America
Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 1&2
Thor
Avengers
It tells a better story of super soldiers, Tony, and Thor&Loki.
PavarottiAardvark yeah I agree
@@michaela.webermann4141 Sounds great! Only (very minor) problem would be Tony Stark cameo in The Incredible Hulk post-credit scene.
Addibro - yeah pretty much any Marvel order scramble falls apart with post credit scenes. I typically just watch the credit scenes on RUclips in whatever order they fit nicest (the Hulk one after Iron Man instead)
I assume you put Guardians before Age of Ultron because it explains the Infinity Stones easily to a new audience and so it makes sense when pop up in AoU? You said you'd explain why you put Guardians where it was but if you did then I think I missed it 😅
I think he put it there because Thor’s post credit scene transitions well into Guardians since it features the Collector. Other than that, the Order doesn’t really matter as Guardians was already the last movie released before Age of Ultron came out
same here
Reclaimer 0101 I agree with that. Also capturing Loki at the end of the first avengers leads directly into the beginning of Thor 2
Yeah but Age of Ultron was literally the next release after Guardians so that's how everyone experienced the infinity stones anyway?
Doesn’t Guardians of the Galaxy come before Age of Ultron anyway (chronologically)
"The Nando Order"? I'm sorry, I think what you meant to say was "The Nandorder".
Allan Crain underappreciated comment
Allan Crain The Nandolorian
Nandorder66
It’s official now!
I want to like but it’s at 616 and it’s a marvel video and I just can’t bring myself to mess it up
The way this makes 100x more sense and probably would have helped Civil War fit better in the universe
I think you close out Phase 2 with Civil War... there's your Empire Strikes Back, all hope is lost ending, right there...
Phase 3 has so many movies in it already, it makes sense to me to end with a fractured Avengers.
Edit: aaaaaaand if I had waited literally thirty seconds longer before posting this comment, I would have seen that he did, in fact, do that...
so... never mind...
@gerizzyYMcrew You wanna explain your point, or are you gonna try and argue against a 20 minute video with one word?
@@mattbrendlen Infinity War is TESB
Omar Ramirez why would he have to, there's no point
@@englandderogatory9224 He doesn't have to do anything. I'm just asking him to explain his point so I can understand his point and see where he is coming from.
what got me was when Feige was asked why civil war happened, he responded "So the avengers are not a cohesive unit moving forward into Infinity War."
So it makes sense, like Nando said, you want to have characters at their worst at the end of the second act, but what rubbed me the wrong was was that the reasoning only spoke to future events. It was an argument that we need this effect so here is a cause.
Nando's order in contrast gives us that the individual Avengers are feeling loss so when Civil war happens they are left separated. It reinforces a narrative based cause an effect.
If we use a three act structure to compartmentalize the Avengers movies, the acts are as it follows
Act 1: The Avengers
Act 2: Age of Ultron + Infinity War (ending with the characters at their worst)
Act 3: Endgame
The helicarrier is in age of Ultron is called by Coulson at the end of season 2, although if you're ignoring the TV shows (like marvel does) then you wouldn't know that, but agents does flesh out the story of shield after winter soldier
Edit: Thanks for all the likes!
Agents of shield does a lot there, yes, but especially after one of the movie execs said that in "movie canon" coulson is dead I think it's clear they're separating the two and the helicarrier in AoU really is coming off as an ex ´machina
@@ZeeDrakon Yeah, it just bums me out. When infinity war was first announced way back when, the agents and characters from the Netflix shows were on the cast list. Would have loved to see a version like that, but at this point, marvel tv has nothing to do with the movie studio
Oh, like the MCU actually considers that show canon.
@@garrettcarter5622 Well I think they did, but not anymore
@@ZeeDrakon It was Whedon who said that about Coulson, but he's not exactly wrong if one is only watching the movies, then as far the story is gonig he's dead, but we know he's alive if your watching the series
I LOVE how you don't just point at the problems and complain about them, but also always has a creative solution. Thank you, I am inspired
*cough* hi-top films
Yeah sometimes it gets a bit much when critics just complain and not suggest any improvements.
Nando: MCU is broken and the fix is...
Everybody: ???
Nando:MORE JUSTIN HAMMER!!!! You're all welcome
If you want to nail it, you can't go wrong with more Hammer.
Hammer is Nando's cowbell...
I mean... Hammer certainly would improve it. Can’t go wrong there.
We need more Sam Rockwell in the MCU. A lot more.
“Bring back Sam Rockwell, you cowards”.
-Patrick H Willems, 2019
"Tony suddenly has an army of drones."
tfw you realize they did that in Spider-Man: Far From Home also...
The MCU or: Tony Stark never learns
@@Stealthwilde he does
he does but then gives a wmd to a teenager
@@knightghost1782 yeah, this time he made even more drones so if the drones were stolen, he could send more drones to stop them
Tony doesn’t give up being Iron Man at the end of Iron Man 3, he starts over. It’s called the “clean slate protocol” and it serves as a way to shave down the suits as a distraction from Pepper and his well-being. He never said he was done being Iron Man.
Nando: Creates a view order to enhance first time viewing experience
Also Nando: spoils everything about the movies in the view order
This was perfect. My ONLY problem throughout was that it wouldn't feel climactic an ending, but adding Civil War fixes that. This is now my headcanon ordering.
I always assumed that Civil War was part of Phase 2, it really does feel climatic imo. And to my knowledge it starts off phase 3 or doesn't conflict with whatever does start phase 3 so it works.
I guess they always want to neatly finish a phase with an avengers movie, but Civil War kind of is one.
@@shanez1215 so far, only phase 1 has ended with an Avengers movie. Phase 2 was Ant-Man, phase 3 was Spider-Man: Far From Home.
I always thought it was weird how IM3 ended the way it did, and Tony has suits again in AoU.
The worst thing is people blame that on IM3 (which us great), completely.missing the symbolism. I also don't think its AoU's complete fault either as if you take a minute to think about it, his motivations do track. But, it is a bit jarring as there is no time to mull it over or at least a scene to drill down what the end of IM3 meant.
@Sir Knight Errant Agreed. The only true flaws of both: in AOU, there wasn't enough James Spader; in IM3, there wasn't enough Sam Rockwell :P (Oh! You could replace IM3's post credits scene with the Hail to the King one-shot!)
It’s only weird with the intro battle tho which you can easily rationalise as “well I mean it was important” the main reason he creates ultron and the drones is to create the world where the avengers aren’t needed, where he doesn’t have to be iron man so he can be with pepper, but when that doesn’t work with ultron going rogue he has to deal with that issue himself as he’s responsible for it, after that he continues being iron man leading to the issues between pepper and tony in civil war because he did choose to continue being iron man as well as why he’s so open to the accords because he still feels the weight of ultron
was literally skipping around marvel supercuts thinking "you know somebody could really do better with a ultracut movie" and then I check my inbox and like okay
Start thinking about cures for cancer and stumbling upon an investment that will make you enough money to live a comfortable life while taking care of those you love... Actually scratch all that, think about someone finding out how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop.
I actually watched Iron Man 3 and Winter Soldier after Age of Ultron, so I can confirm that this works
Edit: Not that there isn't continuity errors, but that the tone of the movies fits better this way.
No it doesn’t 🤦♂️
You have to watch agents of sheild to
Rook k Just like Kevin Feige, we don’t care AoS
who would tony be talking to in Iron man 3 since hulk left at the end of Age of ultron
@@jrdakid14 just put a different post-credit scene, it's not like that was an important part of the movie 😅
Nando really do be like Thanos saying "Reality can be whatever I want" for phase 2
You know, I think I always took for granted that Civil War *was* in Phase 2, simply because in the lead up to Age of Ultron when we learned about Civil War being the next CA installment, the actors on social media made relentless jokes about why their characters might fight each other. Plus, AOU itself already establishes some fundamental disagreements between Tony and Steve that make the film feel like a Civil War pre-game show. So I definitely agree that it belongs there.
It’s not. It’s phase 3
I also love that this adds more oomph to the Pepper and Tony romance. Like, half of what Tony does in IM3 is to win her back.
Me: Time to unwind with the latest Nando video.
Nando: Alright, we've got alot to get through so turn your textbooks to page 616 and let's get started...
I'm not sure whether the 616 was intentional, but if it was:
*I understood that reference*
You'll also have to get rid of literally EVERY reference to the Avengers fighting Hydra in the first part of Av2 -- not just one throwaway line. In fact you have no clear reason why they're fighting these people at all, other than being a paramilitary group who got hold of Loki's scepter, but how the heck did that even happen? (Edited to add: I do like the idea in principle tho.)
I actually always found the fact the Avengers were there odd anyway. Yeah, they were residual Hydra, but I never felt that they seemed to present an Avengers level threat.
A Simple fix, hydra is known to still be around but the default assumption is that they are a small threat that has no real relevance till we learn that they are literally within shield itself...the paramilitary group is a red herring.
They are there due to events that happened on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. since Joss Whedon was the executive producer for the show and since at the time they were still attempting to do cross production with the movies influencing the show.
@gerizzyYMcrew true. I just posted that to help explain why the Avengers and not S.H.I.E.L.D. was at Barron Von Strucker's hideout. AoS basically was supplemental material for Phase 2 since just about every movie affected the show.
@@VolvoxSocks They were looking for the Scepter that contained the mind stone.
My biggest issue with this watch order is that it makes The Winter Soldier worse. The reveal about Hydra wasn't just big because it came from within SHIELD, but because everyone thought Hydra had been wiped out. Knowing that Hydra is still out there in some form weakens the amazing reveal in The Winter Soldier.
Also, I know you said you weren't talking about the TV shows, but Agents of Shield explains away your issues with Shield's presence in Age of Ultron. Shield is still very much an active (underground) organization. Coulson is the one who discovered where Loki's scepter was (info which he passed onto Maria Hill), and he also gave Fury access to Shield's last remaining helicarrier.
Cinemawins said something that I think explains the ending of iron man 3 the best. The clean slate wasn't him ending iron man, but him putting other things in his life, like pepper. I just think he was turning a new leaf
If I may add a new post-credit scene for Winter Soldier:
We cut back to Sam’s veteran’s of war meeting, a woman walks in. Sam asks who she is, she replies “a victim of war, who would appreciate your help.” Camera pans up, it’s Wanda Maximoff!
Don't even pan up. Keep the camera on him, and we see him recognise her voice, and slowly smile. Since he'd know of her from AoU
@@tigamaki1345 in Nando's version sam doesn't appear in age of ultron
Nic Woolfe
aw. yeah that'd be pretty nice to see her still being around and "active"
@@filthyneutral5801 I meant more, she'd have presumably appeared on the news and stuff between the "stop the train" incident, and also the whole floating city battle she took part in.
That's why i said know of, not know ^^
Filthy Neutral He could still appear I mean it’s a Stark party, so people can come from all over
This honestly makes way more sense then the existing order. Marvel needs to hire you dude
Marvek just needs to calm down and do a better job of planning ahead...actually, Disney in general needs to slow down just a bit and do some better planning with there films. Star wars, while I liked the first two movies has some very sloppy cohesion that could have been mitigated if Disney had a clearer long term vision.
No marvel doesnt need to hire a youtube to work on their movies. This is okay at best
Frantic Toast well it is significantly better then what marvel themselves made. Don’t get me wrong, I am a huge marvel fan boy, but even I can admit that age of Ultron just doesn’t work very well with the movies that came before it. They were able to cordinate their movies much better in phase 3. So they learned from their mistakes, but you gotta admit where they did stumble
Sir Knight Errant they are atleast better than the rise of sky walker.
This is a result of them being too worried about taking risks so deciding to return to a status quo. None of this moving around would be necessary if Age of Ultron was better thought out.
Age of ultron always felt like the iron man 2 of the avengers. I like iron man 2 but it spent too much of its time setting up future movies. Ultron felt important because of what it set up
Iron man 2 only had two scenes setting up future movies, not sure why everyone thinks that
Brad Aiello it’s because it spends what at first felt like an out of place story segment in an already overcrowded movie.
@@samjackson9560 I understand what you mean, I personally enjoy the set ups, but they all do feel out of place, but I think it helped build up the Avengers
@gerizzyYMcrew he didn't even criticize either one of the movies
@@samjackson9560 and yea age of ultron to me almost felt like Iron man 4 lol but I still loved most of it
These movies will be RE-ORGANISED into the First! Nando! Order!
I saw it and I clapped!!
Tony never stopped being iron man. Iron man 3 ended with tony saying that he is still iron man. He blew up the suits because they represented his need for control that he lost when he went through that wormhole. That’s why each one is built for a different purpose with different abilities, they represent an attack he hadn’t expected, an occasion he felt he was unprepared for. A manifestation of his need for some form of control. Blowing up the suits wasn’t him giving up on iron man, it was him giving up on control and responding to threats out of fear. It’s called clean slate protocol because it’s a new start for him to be better, which he tried to do through the use of the drones to protect citizens and the creation of Ultron to protect the earth. Creating the drones wasn’t undoing the end of iron man 3. The only problem I had with this video was your reasoning for why iron man 3 should go after age of ultron. Everything else seems fine though
4:13 “Age of Ultron makes two decisions that I really do not agree with. The first is-“
Me: *KILLING OFF QUICKSILVER! KILLING OFF QUICKSILVER!!!*
They had a deal with fox where they could use him in one movie only, because of quicksilver in the x men movies
Fun fact, if not for that deal, that scene where they send Clint back in endgame? That was supposed to be to get him.
@@DParkerNunya
I think Endgame missed a perfect opportunity to bring Quicksilver back the way they brought back Gamora.
Just let him be dead. Coulson's apparently back, Gamora's apparently back, and Black Widow is kind of back for one more movie. Just let the people who actually die stay dead.
@@bloocheeseformaboi881
Too bad Loki isn't one of those people who stays dead.
I would actually move Ant-Man to before Civil War, after Iron Man 3 and I would likewise move the end credit scene of the Avengers Assembling to the end of Winter Soldier.
First, Falcon must show up in the movie as it explains how Ant-Man joins the Avengers.
Second, Ant-Man specifically raids Avengers HQ, not SHIELD. It reflects that while Cap's intentions are noble, he lacks the resources necessary to run the Avengers as a global force and that leads to the problems seen in Civil War.
And third, speaking of Civil War, this movie would directly lead into that movie, considering the post-credit scene has Falcon seeking Scott out, presumably because of the events of Civil War's first half.
Thats funny and right because Antman 2 lead directly into Avengers Endgame, sounds fair that Ant man 1 lead to the epic final too
Question: what would be the ending to Ultron then?
This means that there is only 1 movie standing between two Avengers which is really weird
James-Andrew Sarmiento Why is it really weird?
If that's the case, Age of Ultron should drop the entire "Hydra" part since Hydra is to be revealed working in the Winter Soldier, which is set after Age of Ultron in this new order.
A comment above proposed this, but some rewriting could be involved wherein Hydra is still around after The First Avenger but isn't a particularly major threat, but that the paramilitary organization was a red herring to conceal the true nature of Hydra, lurking within Shield.
@@DevNode27 But that doesn't explain how they had Loki's scepter there when that was last seen in the Avengers with Shield.
@@DevNode27 hmm okay that does kind of work, I just think it still takes away from the impact that not only has SHIELD been compromised but the *how* as well. Everyone in-universe thought Hydra was gone, which makes their return in TWS even more sinister.
@@lingy69 It's in endgame where cap says 'Hail Hydra'
and well it doesnt make sense why stark creates ultron realy sure there is this dream, because if you look at how original order goes tony fight kilian learns no matter how many suits he has they are not realy the anwser unless he has some special sauce he has to get working aka ultron
I LOVE this reworking of the phase, everything makes SO MUCH MORE SENSE!!! I think someone who knows how to edit should try to make the little changes Nando explains: dialogue and Falcon cameo in Ultron, Friday re-dub for Iron Man 3 (which might not even be possible, but idk), stuff like that. Even without them though, this is my new headcanon for the MCU.
the issue is winter soldier directly sets up Avengers 2. The whole reason the avengers reunite is that Shield falls.
Another issue is that we see Hulk leaving earth in a quinjet by the end of Ultron while the end credit scene in Iron Man 3 showed Tony talking to Bruce.
The Iron Man 3 ending contradicts with Bruce and Hulk's appearances in Thor: Ragnarok because how can they still be on earth if they're on Sakarr battling Thor?
@@loudboy317 He said that scene wouldnt exist, did you watch the vídeo?
@@pretendtheresaname9213
I did watch the video but he's wrong to assume that scene wouldn't exist because in Iron Man 3, JARVIS is still a computer program while in Age of Ultron, he's downloaded into Vision's body. That is another reason why Iron Man 3 shouldn't be placed after Age of Ultron.
@@loudboy317 Which he also addressed, did you watch the video? It seems like you didn't watch the video despite saying you did.
@@gerrya2133
I did watch the whole video. His idea of phase 2 still wouldn't work.
I just thought of tag lines for the boxes of these movies based on "The Nandorder". Phase one: Assembled, Phase two: Disassembled, Phase three: Reassembled
Agents of SHIELD Season 2 actually explains where the Helicarrier in the end of Age of Ultron comes from
yeah but the general audience probably doesn't watch agents of shield and only watches the movies without any regard to what happens in the shows. the movies and shows tend to exist as separate properties anyway, so it's better to have a cohesive movie phase than to force a movie audience watch the shows to understand
You shouldn’t need to watch 2 series of a show that has a separate continuity to understand the MCU.
@@musicalbrit3465 except during the time of Agents of Shield season 2, A.O.S was apart of the MCU Timeline and continuity and still is lol. The Only time it when it was out of the timeline was when it went into the future but it came back to the timeline during the last episode lol.
@@Spidervenom23 I haven’t seen AOC but isn’t coulson literally still alive? I’m pretty sure it follows the same events but isn’t actually a part of the MCU and the stuff that happens in it haven’t happened in the actual continuity.
The MCU should stand by itself anyway- as I said, you shouldn’t HAVE to watch AOC to understand where the helicarrier comes from. It should’ve been set up properly within the story.
@@musicalbrit3465 AOS is apart of the MCU as well as Agent Carter. Coulson team was the reason why the Rogue Avengers was able live off the books as long as they did until IW. The Only time you can say that AOS wasn't apart is when they start time-traveling into the future but that Timeline is pretty much Dead and gone by the end of Season 6 I think and they are back into the MCU Canon by the end of the last season.
This is the proper way to watch the mcu in chronological order
Captain America The First Avenger
Captain Marvel
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
The Incredible Hulk
Thor
Marvel's The Avengers
Iron Man 3
Thor The Dark World
Captain America The Winter Soldier
Guardians Of The Galaxy
Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 2
Avengers Age Of Ultron
Ant-Man
Captain America Civil War
Black Panther
Spider-Man Homecoming
Doctor Strange
Thor Ragnarok
Ant-Man And The Wasp
Avengers Infinity War
Avengers Endgame
Spider-Man Far From Home
100% agreed, not sure why people dont understand that
Exactly
I never saw the appearance of shield as weird or out of place in AoU, maybe because in agents of shield we were shown that shield wasn’t completely dismantled, we see that like half the agents were actually from hydra but there’s a portion of shield still functioning
To be fair, I think the idea is that Tony is trying to step away from being Iron Man after 3, dropping the idea of these suits he controls for an AI that controls them without his input; but he has to step back into the suit until Ultron is ready, and then full-time because Ultron didn't pan out. Kinda like his plan for an Iron Man team in the anime that he has to drop at the end of episode 1.
Start of video: Why change the movies, why not change the order
End of video: Makes more changes to the movies than would have had to the first time around.
😂 jk it’s a gr8 video and I get your points. Personally the release order still works for me but I totally get it.
The surprise helicarrier is actually explained in Agents of SHIELD.
Thank you for pointing this out
Which season?
Pef S season 2. Its referred to as the Theta Protocol.
@@lestertjester4140 Thanks! I was just wondering how far I was. I'm still in the first half of season 2.
Yeah but the problem with that is wile everyone that watched Agents also watched the movies but not everyone that watched the movies watched agents. As much as I love Agents of SHIELD the helicarrier should have been explained somehow in the movie and not in the show.
So I guess you’re going to ignore how agents of shield explains the helicarrier.
Or how they found Loki's scepter?
Is agents of Shield even considered canon at this point?
I mean he literally says for the purpose of this video the MCU is just the movies
Lanyard please
@@bobsagetisepic1197 The first 5 seasons are. Seasons 6 and 7 are up for debate.
One huge flaw with all of this. The SHIELD stuff in Age of Ultron makes sense because it connects to the show Agents of SHIELD. In the show, Shield goes underground after the events of Winter Soldier with a skeleton crew and is run by a resurrected Phil Coulson. Coulson regularly communicates with Fury and Maria Hill, passing along the intel about the location of Strucker. And more importantly, restoring a carrier for use in Sokovia.
I love AoS as much as you, but for someone JUST watching the films, they don’t KNOW the background of what’s happening. AoS was basically IGNORED around Ultron.
Just rewrite the line about "A few friends took her out of mothballs" to something like "You can thank agent Coulson for the Carrier!" And have Coulson and his team on the Carrier.
Dude…not only does no one watch that but it isn’t considered canon by Kevin Fiege. All Agents of Shield build off of Avengers stuff cause they need to make money
@@willlamoureux1690 Please don't spread misinformation. Kevin Feige has never said anything of the sort.
@@LaneCorbett none of the Avengers seem aware that Coulson is alive. That line would just create confusion because either the action stops to explain or they just speed through it like nobody cares a guy came back to life.
14:43 Avengers: Age of Ultron should have been called "Avengers: Reassembling The Avengers To Do Another Avengers".
I'm in the middle of an MCU rewatch and honestly this really works for me. I have been pushing Civil War because it really didnt feel like a follow-up to Ultron.
Ultron could use the rework. A lot of the characters have 1 liners that are funny, but not organic to how that character would act in the moment. Although I would miss the Falcon cameos, but I just love Falcon.
I love this idea however there's too many lil changes that does ruin the continuity....
I know, it adds more problems than it fixes so its pointless
You’d have to drastically change all of those movies
You are a writing Genius! Someone hire this man!
"Marvel Phase Two is in the Wrong Order"
Thanos: *Impossible*
Agents of Shield explains the helicarriers in an expertly done way. I thought you had seen the show...and if not, do it man!!
I always thought that the one helicarrier you see in Age of Ultron is the original from the 1st Avengers film; they put it in storage when they were building the Insight carriers, as it wasn't needed anymore.
Tbh the MCU has always been a bit of a mess and all over the place. I guess downtime is finally getting people to ask questions lol
It's just phase two.
@@nathanieldiaz5254 phase 3 has similar problems. The big issue is that films are announced before they even have a script, then they find plot points that, despite being out of order, make more sense for certain characters. Then stuff gets all wonky when they get released. That's why we get lighthearted heist romp Ant-Man 2 coming out immediately after half of the entire universe gets destroyed
@@harrylane4 I think it works well- ant man 2 happens pretty much alongside infinity war, and I love how the lighthearted tone of the movie is completely contrasted with its end credit scene- for most of the people living on the MCU earth, they didn’t have any clue about the snap until it happened. People were probably just messing around and having fun one minute and then the next the people they were laughing with have literally turned to dust. It’s the juxtaposition that’s truly horrifying.
Your channel became one of my favorites so quickly! This is GENIUS! can't wait for the next video
It's kind of crazy to see this fit together so well. You nailed the corrections, and everyone's character development feels much more fluid and natural. Well done!
Nando V Movies: Phase 2 Marvel films' order is wrong
Me : *Laughs in DCEU*
Great points, Nando!
I also like the idea of Thor 2, GotG, then Avengers 2 because it introduces the Infinity Stones in a more organic way, especially following Avengers 1 where we got the Tesseract. You could honestly probably move the Thanos post-credits scene from Avengers 2 to GotG Volume 2, since by that point, we’ve already seen 5 of the 6 stones.
This absolutely has to be one of if not the best videos you’ve made Nando. Me and my ma love these and I know she’ll love this one
4:41 The Helicarrier is from the show Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. You have to watch its first two seasons also to get the full picture.
5:47 Tony never stopped being Iron Man at the end of Iron Man 3. The movie ends with him collecting the remaining parts of his destroyed suits, and uttering the words "I Am Iron Man".
Thank you. I’m like, he’s forgetting tony never retired. Tony doesn’t actually retire til endgame before the time heist
IMO: In the Winter Soldier, it’s just revealed that hydra survived in like one third of shield. The whole thing isn’t taken down yet. So, in Ultron, Ultron takes over project Insight as it launches, with an awesome battle with all the Avengers spanning three helicarriers.
Well in this timeline, Zola is still alive as an AI so it's likely he resisted Ultron.
@@joelmole3157 Yeah well in my remade Winter Soldier they can delete him or something IDK.
RUclipsr: *makes video about Age of Ultron w/o mentioning Agent's of S.H.I.E.L.D.*
AoS fans: "Umm, actually..."
Didn't it come back between films on the show? That's what I recall.
Who watches Agents of Shield?
Me I do.
And this is the trouble of running a TV show that people MAY not realize actually ties into the bigger feature films.
@@comixproviderftw_02 A lot of people
I've been thinking of this order for years AND nando you just fit it amazingly!!!
Long time follower, this is still my favorite video you have made. The point about Tony hanging up the suits and it being a big deal in Civil War is such a genius idea I wish was canon.
I disagree. Iron Man 3 perfectly sets up Tony and his headspace for AOU, The Winter Soldier also perfectly leads Cap into AOU, and Thor Dark World does as well. In Iron Man 3, Tony said he was “trimming down” the Iron Man thing, in other words NOT retiring! Age of Ultron also starts by the Avengers cleaning up Hydra after TWS so that would not only take away an entire opening action sequence that connects beautifully to TWS, but it would also keep hydra out of the picture which would mean that you would have to do MAJOR reconstruction to AOU since hydra had the scepter. Also, shield is still shut down in AOU, they literally say so early on in the film. Just because Fury had access to an old helicarrier doesn’t mean shield is still operational.
Plus, in regards to your AOU opinion, Age of Ultron has better character development than the first Avengers! Less like caricatures and more like relatable humans.
tl;dr Joss wrote a sequel to his first avengers film foremost, and an mcu film second
I'm so stoked to hear about the machete order! I've always taken a firm pro "toss Episode I directly out the window" stance!
4:30 agents of shield explained and set that up. don't you dare change it
For that part about Star Wars at the beginning I disagree. It's not Luke's story, it's Anakin's. George Lucas himself said it.
"I'll explain why guardians goes before AoU" *never explains it*. It's because of the infinity stones and Thor's quest at the end of AoU isn't it.
What I love about Nando is he’s a great rewriter. He could title the video “Why falcon can be galactus 1on 1” and I’m just like “.....I mean it’s nando so sure probably”
4:31 This was explained it Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (seasons 1 and 2).
10:44 He didn't destroy *all* of his suits. We knew he had at least 40, and the ones that were destroyed in Iron Man 3 were at most 20.
So you're saying for your version of this to work we have to ignore details, pretend characters aren't who they are and we have to dismiss lines characters say. It's a swing and a miss for me. If you're telling me to ignore characters and dialogue in order for your order to make sense then it fails
Yeah, I agree. Machete order works because you don't have to do any of that for the story of Star Wars to work if you watch the movies in that order, since unlike here you aren't actually changing when in the overall timeline the movies take place. I usually agree with Nando's videos, and I do think he has a point that it would have made Phase 2 better if the movies were actually done in that order, but I think he really dropped the ball here by suggesting we actually watch the videos in said order and ignore everything that doesn't fit.
Among the opening lines of Age of Ultron: "We've been after this thing since SHIELD collapsed"
Nando viewer who believed him about the right order: "Wait, what?"
I appreciate your hard work. Thank you!!
This is so much better narratively speaking, i hope this order gets some mainstream recognition and somebody make tiny changes all around.
So we're just gonna ignore the gem that is Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.?
As someone who hasn't watch the MCU movies but has seen AoS I was wondering what his new order would mean for the show.
@@lemurwrench6344 you haven't watched MCU movies, but have seen the show?? Wow, you really are in the minority, but also my new favourite person 😀 AoS is my favorite part of the whole MCU! So personally, I'd like to watch the (phase 2) movies in telecast order, if only for the two biggest crossovers - CA:WS and AoU are in that order
@aydooknow I can't argue with you coz I can't be objective about AoS. Would just like to point out I didn't say it is the most premier series, I said it was my most favourite part. Also, since Carter crossed over with AoS, and Jarvis ended up in Endgame, AoS is cannon unless something specific happens that goes against it. The snap? I'll reserve my opinion till the end of Season 7
The Helicarrier was explained in Agents of Shield
Jake Boos bad example, everybody should see daredevil season 3
F Agents of Shield
But noones watched that
@Jake Boos Except AoS is part of MCU and they all connect with each other. And yes, to fully understand Endgame you have to watch a ton of other stuff, including bunch of movies and a TV show.
@Jake Boos that's how they got people to see Captain Marvel though
Thank you so much for this!!
Now this is my headcanon order. As you said, you just need to imagine some lines being different and don't watch 1 post-credit scene.
Although, in your version of Iron-Man 3, Tony could just be using a different AI with a Jarvis text-to-speech over it.
Oh yeah, when I first saw the first two Avengers movies, I wasn't really aware of the non-Iron Man movies, so I just accepted what I was seeing. This sort of brings that back.
From one side: what you say makes sense (especially having ultron before winter soldat), but on the other, we lack that fine thread that connects movies the way you'd suggest in form of mentions or snippets of dialogue. I'd still rather watch it the way it was made I guess...
Has Nando seen Agents of SHIELD? I always got the impression that he had but I'm not sure now since he didn't mention them in this video.
He mentioned it in his ant man 3 pitch so I think he has.
But the general audience doesn’t care about agents of shield, and they never say in age of Ultron that some of shield survived for the reveal at the end of the movie to make any sense. You have to make reveals make sense based on the movie alone, with shows like agents making the experience even better, but not required to understand the movie
Also he said at the beginning of the video that he purposefully isn't taking any supplementary material into account with this, which includes the Agents of SHIELD TV show.
TechnoBabel that is very true
I love this! Great job!!
Yes, exactly! Once I wanted to do a rewatch and had to check with google to see what is the order of this phase - it meant no sense to me. Thanks for the video
I always felt that Phase 2 was a bit of a mess. Much as I like Civil War, it shoulda been an Avengers film instead of a Captain America film. Captain America 3 shoulda been based on the Nomad story from the comics. Cap witnesses a depressed U.S. President commit suicide, shaking his faith in America. He tries to cut ties to the government but they own the name Captain America so he ditches the identity to become Nomad. But then Red Skull returns and kills a kid wearing a Cap costume, forcing him to reclaim his mantle. Also Age of Ultron & Civil War shoulda been the same film, Ultron manipulates the Civil War to distract the Avengers from his scheme.
No
For your order to work like you said you'll have to ignore a lot, so how does that work if I've never seen the film's. If I told a new viewer your order, it would cause confusion, falcon wasn't just at the party he's at the end as a new avenger, then winter soldier he's introducing himself, just ignore the male voice of Jarvis for an entire film is ludacris and Nick Fury in AOU makes too many comments to ignore about the status of SHIELD. And there's post credit scenes and Tony's arc reactor plus just other minor things characters say. It's one thing for small inconsistencies but the level of ignore is too high lol.
Personally, I think it's a small price to pay for a narratively cohesive and satisfying Phase 2. Obviously, you'd tell someone up-front that it's an unconventional way to watch the series, what to look out for that feels inconsistent, et cetera, so they go in with expectations that it is not how those who had made the films intended for you to watch them.
And hey, anything to work Joss Whedon's stain on the Avengers' individual character arcs into something that makes sense.
I find your lack of imagination disturbing
Lol I don't mind changes, I have my own viewing order that I think works perfect but ignoring major changes to the narrative doesn't work for me.
That’s what fanedits are for! 😄
This all makes alot of sense. Well done sir. Well done.
This makes all of those movies better. I always thought Ultron and Civil war fell short, and i think this helps explains why. glad you fixed the order.
Age of Ultron is terrible but re: Tony’s opening contradicting the end of Iron Man 3 - an addict making some grand gesture and then relapsing almost immediately checks out way more than loads of other MCU decisions.
Not saying that was a conscious choice (of course it just happens because Iron Man gotta Iron Man), but for the character it totally checks out.
I kinda wish they'd addressed it more, but you're right, it does check out, ESPECIALLY since in Civil War, Pepper and Tony are "on a break", implying she left him thanks to said relapse happening. Having her go on a break from him after the end of Iron Man 3 would probably make her look really bad
@@davidcosloff but....he's not? In Civil War, Pepper and Tony were "on a break". They seemingly only reconnected between Civil War and Infinity War (She likely returned when she heard what happened to Rhodey and wanted to support Tony)
No it isn’t! Age of Ultron is great!
Honestly, this is so functional that I'm surprised it wasn't the intended order.
Holy, this is GENIUS. Can’t believe how much this simple fix takes care of in terms of continuity and improving character arcs
Another I love about the order is we didn't really get to see the Avengers spend time as a team in Avengers Tower, as soon as they were shown in AOU, that same time had them move out from there to Avengers compound which was being run by SHIELD not Tony Stark. So to move from AOU into Winter Soldier makes a lot of sense. You could even swap the last two movies in the Nando order to have Ant-Man be the last movie since the post-credits scene alludes to Civil War to make it seem a more organic transition
Dude, the excitement when i saw this is real
I wanna watch the Nando Order with Nando’s version of Age of Ultron from a few years back.
Also, I like the idea of Vision spending a few years in space, like Amazo from the DCAU in Justice League.
Fascinating. Well done video.
I really like this it feels like one of those theories that fit so well you just except them as headcanon
16:09 does anyone know the background music?
Darude sandstorm
I wish the NandovMovies Version of Avengers: Age of Ultron was Canon in the MCU.
Incredible!
Now... do a megacut of the movies this way.
Thaaaaanks.
Another thing that this helps with is that no one ever points out that Ultron and Project Insight are almost exactly the same plan.