Ave Dominus Nox brothers and sisters! A huge thank you to all the voice actors Vox, Cutis, Liam, Altrusian Grace Media and the newcomers Chris Glass and Astra Orion. The voice work on this one was incredible and I cant wait to bring more of the amazing characters in Warhammer to life in the future.
Ave Dominus Nox Brother's and sisters! What a dark pleasure it was to play the Night Haunter! Can't wait to listen to it all. Well done Mr.King, well done Vox
@@novaprospects thankyou very much Sean. Means a lot to read that. I hope I do the night haunter justice in people's opinion. I know he's a wildly complex character and everyone has a different take on how he should sound. Thanks again sir!
The story of Kurze is very tragic. And that final encounter he has with the Emperor (whether real or imagined) carries a lot of weight. I can't help but be moved
I never realized before how his fall from grace was because he could not contain his fear of the future and how his method of war was designed to stop and strike fear in potential betrayers yet he was focusing on the wrong potential betrayers. Hence death in vindication. Its truly such a sad story.
@@scordova98 definitely doesn't help that Curze would not admit to the fact he was a monster just like the ones he condemned and murdered. His mind was so set on Fate forcing him to enjoy it instead. Curze is one of my favorite Primarch just due to how fallible and more human he is rather than the demi-god . Just a psychotic man suffering from severe psychosis
@@BestCupid Yeah. Thats the sad Truth of Kurze. A true fallible human in Primarch form! Probably even the Emperor loved him the Most! *brings a tear to my eye* knowing some humanity no matter how broken can still manifest through industrial scale trans-human processing. Thats why we love Kurze.
If only the Emperor spent more time with him and tried to help him with his visions, he must have known but did nothing. If only talked about his visions to Sanguinius instead of Fulgrim.
@@BestCupid He knows that "Nighthaunter" was a monster, but sees "Konrad" as weak. Remember when he mentions how Corax is the only one of his brothers he truly hate because of his gift. "If only I had his powers, what a much more perfect monster I could have been".
One thing that strikes me about Curze is his understanding of why he and the other Primarchs were made. When Robute is resurrected, he gets depressed from finding out his father didn’t see them as sons, but as tools,something Konrad understood 10,000 year before Gulieman ever did.
No, Konrad was insane because he thought his father didn’t care, which the last convo with his father shows the emperor does care about his sons. He just had to sacrifice his relationship with them in order to fight chaos
@@magicchowder I disagree entirely. When you see how he treats his sons its pretty clear he only uses them to achieve his goals. His conversation with Konrad didn’t prove that he cared, it only proved that Konrad had the choice not to follow his visions.
@@magicchowder actions speak louder than words. Understanding the right thing and doing it are two very different endeavours. Emperor may love his 'sons' yet he never showed it. Konrad for all his faults has every right to hate the emperor.
Want to clarify that you're neither right nor wrong. GW intentionally keeps it vague to not prove the traitors or loyalists are correct. You can see this in dark Imperium trilogy wheg Gilliumen speaks to the emperor in God blight I believe. And the emperor switches between my beloved son and my greatest tool. GW will not confirm which one is correct.
“How could you lie to me like this? How could you lie to yourself?” Sevatar talking to Curze like this is so beyond what I expected from their relationship, almost as much as Curze using pet names with “Sev”.
I adore that moment. I genuinely don't think any other legionary expect maybe Nasir Amit was ever as brutally honest with their primarch as Sevetar was in that one moment.
Sadly that's not how he was originally written before the primary novel changed his personality and reasoning behind his violence and brutality. Really ruined the character, but still my favorite.
@@Sevatar_VIIIth I recently finally found a way to get into w40 lore and currently still learning about the primarchs, Conrad along with Magnus stand out to me really like them. How was Conrad changed? Cause atleast from what im hearing here he's becoming my favourite
@@mrvasa8426 They changed his mentality in his early life on Nostramo, originally Konrad was cold and calculated murdering and torturing because that is what was needed to bring the population to heel and in line with his vision of a better Nostramo. With his primarch novel they changed him to be a murderer and torture because he enjoyed it and gained pleasure from the acts. They wrote him to now hide the fact that he enjoyed violence and brutality behind the reasoning of that being the only way to get this world's population in line. This simply is NOT who Konrad was and for me it really changes the character into just a mindless murderer for the sake of murdering and torturing. That's not Konrad, that's not the character he was nor should be. Now him eventually doing what he did for so long changing him into enjoying the violent brutal acts after a certain point makes perfect sense and is realistically what WOULD be a consequence of that way of waging war.
@@mrvasa8426Originally, Konrad was sympathetic insofar as his rationale could be understood, if not completely misguided. BL has since turned him into a simple, demented, murdering psychopath. Nothing more. That is unfortunate because he was much more interesting.
@Sevatar_VIIIth I know this comment is old, but it is beautifully written. Curze was never the type to be a killer for the sake of being a killer, just a Demi-god with a twisted sense of “justice”, eventually turning him into the Night Haunter. Mutilating because that’s how it HAD to happen, not because he liked it. And I mean yeah, maybe later in the crusade, he starts to like it, but to me, he became psychotic, not started out as one.
I shed a tear for the monster, the man, Konrad Curze a child doomed by a fate woven by the ignorance of his youth, the fear of his existence and the future he obsessed over.
For me it's him being born into a world of brutal violence and evil acts, having a natural need to fix his world and make it better for the people on it. Then being abhorred and convicted for doing what he needed to in a universe that devours all but the ones strong enough to survive. Konrad was born in a universe that never wanted him and never would, a life fated for loneliness, failure and death which haunted him until he died.
But as Sevatar said did you ever try to be anything else? The Legion followed him! His ways! It's his fault he didn't choose to not be the nighthaunter. Just as it was his choice his legion chose to follow the nighthaunters ways. His ways. He never tried to do anything different.
@@jamieenoshima5147 true, but honestly that doesn't take away from the tragedy. He could have changed but chose not too, when he could have been so much more. Adds another layer onto things
@@Nonameisback999 It's the debate. Did he choose not to or did he have no choice? To the Emperor POV he had a choice. He chose to be pathetic, a victim who did horrible things. Tortured and broken. To him. He's pathetic, a victim who did horrible things. Tortured and broken. But he had no choice he was born this way. And he had no choice. We've all met, or maybe we are. That person we've came accross in our lives. Who is miserable but never tries to be happier. Are they right though? Is the world/universe really just unjust and everything is torturous. Or did they have a choice? Did they have agency to be happy.
The Emperor failed Konrad completely. He was so eager to use him as a weapon in the crusades, he didn't give Konrad the words he needed to hear. He could have gone into his mind and corrected at least some of the trauma he'd experienced. Just like how he could have forcibly removed the nails from Angron. There is so much he could have done if he wanted to.
But konrad failed himself most of all his primarch book goes into this with all of the failings of the emperor he listed it was ultimately Konrad refusal to change believe fate could be changed which caused him to hate himself more and more which in turned lead him to blame others for his failings
when an author can make you feel sympathy for one a most brutal monsters in 40k.. well you are doing something special.. and the way you narrate, the voice actors.. this is a pure gem.. thanks for your hard work.. PD. this video made me cry with Konrad..
That excerpt makes me really want to read the Prince of Crows after I finish the Night Lords Omnibus. Despite Sevatar having enjoyed the cruelty as any other Night Lord. It feels like he's one of the only ones who ever truly questioned Konrad and wondered if anything better could have really been done.
Konrad was meant to be the Justice of the Emperor, and if Konrad had the support that he needed from anyone in his family, but sadly the mental state of the Primarch was damage beyond repair. The gift of foresight that Konrad had true torment him beyond the confines of even his superhuman mind, and without the support and care of others he was doomed to go insane.
I wouldn’t say that. Konrad had the same issue Perbs had. Some of his brothers tried to talk to him about it, but he just push them away constantly. Hell, he attacked Dorne and skinned some of his marines for some reason…. I still don’t understand why the writer added that detail. Ether way, he had multiple chances to change, but he refused each opportunity. After a certain point, you can’t save someone. Especially when they can and will try to kill you.
@@dustuncoleman705 in their defense, most of them probably didn’t know to the extent the issue. You have to remember as well these guys were spread across the galaxy with huge expeditionary fleets. So they didn’t get to spend a lot of time with one another, and a majority of the time Conrad did something to basically push them away.
@@Shx148 if I recall, Conrad also brought up during that conversation that the future isn’t written, and they could change it or go along with it. To me, it tells me Conrad did choose to go along with it. He could of spoke to the emperor about it, but he never makes and attempt too. Just like how the emperor would likely reacted. So his brother spared him. Because he knew what fate awaited Conrad with the assassin, and let Conrad receive his justice.
@@Shx148 That’s not necessarily true, yes he a product of his environment, but Sebatar calls him out on his hypocritical bullshit. He gained control of an entire planet, and what did he do with it? Did he try to tackle the problems of why his world had so much crime at the source? Hell no, he never tried to improve his homeworld in any meaningful way. Everything he did, and what his legion still does even in modern 40k is temporary. And in a way, he’s a coward. He refuses to open himself up to new ideas, and he won’t take responsibility for his actions. From what I recall, even when Fulgram told on him. They weren’t calling him a traitor. He was apart of the punishment flotilla taking part at Issvan. If they didn’t trust him or his legion. Why’d they let them join in on an action involving fighting other traitors? It doesn’t make sense. Given the night lord books, I think he genuinely felt betrayed by the imperium for his own damn negligence, and he projected all his suffering on the emperor.
Gotta admit, I was not a fan of Curze. I have always held him in contempt, and seeing you were dedicating 2 hours to his story.. I wasn't enthusiastic to say the least. But brother.. that was totally worth it. I absolutely enjoyed it, thoroughly. Well done, sir.
Never understood the hate for Curze. His legion probably killed the least total number of people than other legions. He used the lemon life gave him and made lemonade. What’s better? Salamanders extermenatous’ing multiple planets? Why because Vulcan would hug people when he wasn’t smashing their brains in? Or Konrad filleting a few thousand and use them as example to break an entire world’s spirit? Is it human life that’s important? Or how you feel about human life as you’re taking it?
Check out Baldermort's three part series on Rogal Dorn if you think he is uninteresting and boring. I did until I watched that series, afterwards I decided aside from Konrad Rogal has the second most tragic and heartbreaking stories of the Primarch no question. It's amazing.
Now this is a good choice, and a real test for your channel. Everyone has done something Night Lords and the literature on them is very generous; really looking forward to your narrations as the Mind of Traitors and Sevatar video was a good prequel to this. I found the narrations well chosen and original; particular props to the lady conveying genuine despair and innocence without being overwrought, Sevatar really got to show a lot of range (especially when he was lifted up in the air, the actor voiced a Word Bearer before and I liked the opportunity he got to expand here) and Curze is a highlight. Very impressive how like Corax you went for a far deeper, richer voice than the high pitch others would have, and it's *impressive* how there's power, fright, even a genuine cackle that the voice actor should be proud of. it's an ugly, imposing voice to begin, and shifts throughout reflecting how Curze wasted away as his purpose waned.
The only difference is that Curze is entirely self aware. He knows he hates Corax because Corax actually fights for justice, whereas Curze knows that he never had enough faith in humanity to attempt to impose anything except order. Perturabo has no such understanding.
I was going to go to sleep but it once again seems I cannot, it's the second time it happens because of you, last time it was on your Kharn video ahahah. Keep up the good work, your videos are incredibly well made and unique, you truly deserve praise for the work and passion you put into each one.
Not gonna lie the solution to my insomnia is between Brother Baldermort and The Amber King. Whenever it strikes I load up one of their long videos and get soothed to sleep
In many ways Kurze was a broken nihilist who found himself vindicated in every outcome no matter the fact he could have changed direction at any moment. Truly a self fulfilling prophesy of misery
This was even better than I could have hoped for. Truly one of the most tragic characters in the warhammer universe. The ending of this one, and the way you portrayed Konrad's realization of his guilt and choices honestly left me misty-eyed. I find myself saying this over and over, but this has to be your best work to date... The way you, and the people you work with bring these characters to life is unbelievably entertaining to listen to. I'm looking forward to the Khargan, another one of my favorites. I am certain you will do him justice. Ave Dominus Nox.
This is too much. Why does this vid resonate with me so much. He’s such a terrible man. Such a misguided soul. I can’t get behind the emperor when he was so dismissive of the sons that needed him most. Konrad, Magnus, Perturabo. They would have been such great men. Paragons for humanity. All they needed was a heavier hand.
One of the saving graces for the Emperor for me is that he thinks so too. He knows he wasn't the best dad and Malcador and him have expressed regret over how everything went down.
Don't forget angron ...... But yes I agree ... I too always find my attentions coming back to Konrad ... Maybe because as children we feel our agency was taken and we realize this world requires you to be a monster sometimes just to survive .... The only thing we ever wanted was love and acceptance but the only part of us that the world wouldnt walk all over was the monster ..... It's easy to see that the monster is the only way Konrad felt safe .... Felt strong ... Had he just had a loving touch by someone...... Anyone he respected or looked up to .... If only a stern but gentle parental touch was applied ..... A tiny guiding light .... Maybe he would have found the strength to be someone other than the monster who kept him alive all his life.... Maybe the darkness wouldn't have been his only comfort ...... Maybe with that he could have found a way to be better.
Man, this is a mastercrafted work of audio art. I'm getting to the point where I'm starting to call this channel "The Other Baldermort" lol. Certainly not an insult to our dear Brother Baldermort, but certainly a compliment to you. Keep it up.
I dont know what your expertise is, or what influenced your style, but you've VERY quickly established yourself as a *necessary* purveyor of this 40k lore.
If I said this wasn’t some of the best 40k content on RUclips I’d be a heretic. It’s so good with the voice overs 🤩🤩🤩. Please keep this going the way it is it’s masterpiece after masterpiece.
Dude, I cannot speak to the levels of both admiration and inspiration you evoke in me when I listen to your videos. I did not think for a second that Conrad Konrad Curze would make an interesting character study, but I've watched it 3 times in its entirety so far. The voice acting of both you and the others during his talk with his vision of the Emperor nearly had me in tears. Keep up the good work... and hopefully I'll be throwing up content alongside you- having both you and Baldermort to thank for igniting such inspiration within the depths of my soul. You rock man! God bless, and may the Emporer's (a.k.a. Worst Dad Ever) light hopefully guide you better than it guided himself. :P
Ever watch the three part series on Rogal Dorn that Baldermort did? Go watch those three videos and tell me that doesn't have you feeling heartbroken for Dorn and change your outlook on not only him but how you view the Primarchs.
I've heard the lore maybe a thousand times. But you, you make something special, something very pleasant to the ears. I salute you brother, ave dominus nox, May insanity guide you through the darkest of nights
I've been watching your vids for over 8 hours while I worked today and NOW YOU RELEASE ANOTHER AS I GET HOME?! You are truly a wonderous addition to the Emperor's grand design. I hope you'll grace us with more in depth looks at the legions themselves as well at some point when you've finished with the Primarchs and special characters.
I find Konrad a character born to fate in the Classical sense and the most tragic of all the characters. He leaves me with mixed emotions, but cold in the clarity of inevitability. Thank you for a brilliant rendition of who I think is the most truthful (uncomfortably so) and tragic characters of the 40k universe. Well done.
Konrad is hands down the best written primarch tbh. Like he’s the pinnacle of lawful neutral. Like the law itself isn’t even really evil, but sweet Jesus if you break it… WE HAVE COME FOR YOU! AVE DOMINUS NOX!
@@NecrosAcolyte Lawful neutral is just an acceptance of law, Lawful evil is the upholding of evil as according to the doctrine thereof. Lorgar is more lawful Evil, even if he is literally right.
@@cyanideinmycereal1077 Lawful Evil is not only as you define it. It can also be someone who believes the ends justify the means and thus performs evil acts even with the best intentions. Lorgar also wasn't right, the Primordial Truth is wrong in a similar vein as the Imperial Truth. Chaos is an artificial state of the Warp brought about mostly by the Eldar's actions during the second and third Wars in Heaven between the C'tan and the Old Ones. There is nothing essential, natural, or good about the Chaos gods, they are explicitly a distortion of what should be and such distortions can be reversed.
I was truly saddened and touched by Konrads determinism, even as a determinist, or perhaps even more so. It was truly a testament to how believing you have a choice can motivate you to act on your better nature, and how the opposite, is a damning excuse for some. Amazing content, both entertaining and I dare say enlightening!
Although it is inconclusive if he died or not. The video of the assassination cuts off just as we get to see what happens to him. So it is described in the Ave Dominus Nox audio novel
In the night lords trilogy, Talos breaks rank as the sight of the assassin carrying Konrad’s head makes him rage. The main theory about his survival control from his soul possibly being captured inside the nostramon crown he wore, it is theorised to be an Eldar spirit stone.
Konrad Curze is a missed opportunity from GamesWorshop to build up a series very similar to Elric of Melniboné saga for him. It literally took until now that people are finding out how tragically interesting this character and the legion is.
@@doublestarships646 I'd buy every one, I still say after the Heresy wraps up they need to do some series going into the Primarch's life or do the great crusade. There's so much they could do that would sell, vast amounts of time we know nothing about waiting to be shown.
Such a tragic character, he embraced the role he was given loyally. The necessary evil that the Great Crusade demanded of the Nightstalker legion. He drove himself to madness until he had nothing in himself but was filled with guilt, voices and hatred.
Personally I don’t think they needed this necessary evil. Yeah, their legion scared some worlds, but they never took part in campaigns that mattered. Not like the dark angels or the iron warriors. I think he was deluding himself even back when his legion first started to fight in the crusade.
@@AliveRumble082 But that's the tragic part I think, the campaigns themselves didn't matter but the terror and reputation that was spread by the Nightstalker Legion was enough for other worlds to capitulate. Curze did his task loyally and was shunned by all for it. It's really tragic.
@@theyankeesamurai23 The story of Konrad is a story about what happens when someone subconsciously chooses to be a slave to a fate they despise. That’s about as tragic as you can possibly get. Also for future reference the legion is called the Night Lords, not Nightstalkers. Although Nightstalkers is a name that I personally like. It fits them like a glove.
@@theyankeesamurai23 I think a big issue I had with that. We basically just go by their word that the reputation was enough. They don’t actually paint a lot of situations where the enemy has a lot of resolve against the imperium. I don’t actually recall any notable worlds even mentioned their tactics were used on.
I actually also like the parallel that out of all of his sons, all of his creations, all of his “tools”, the Emperor actually currently most resembles Konrad Curze, they have had a chillingly similar end. Both Mad, Insane, dying on their thrones.
I think you are now the best lore channel. with the production and quality of a LT09 video but with the amazing addition of A Vox in the Voids voice acting, these videos are perfect. congrats, you deserve all the sucess coming your way.
i love how every warhammer lore youtuber has their own style of storytelling. i do hope that in the future there will be more lore channels that cover other sci fi/fantasy settings like dune, foundation, thomas covenant, wheel of time, the broken sword, elric, conan, fafnir and the grey mouser, black company, xeelee, the expanse, hainish cycle, earthsea, the remerberence of earth's past, first law, dying earth, space odessy, hyperion cantos, john carter, book of the new sun, malazan, dragaera, cosmere, shannara, narnia, and with each lore channel having their own style.
@@TheDarkTides I don’t think of Magnus as twisted though. He seemed well adjusted and well intentioned, but ultimately too curious for his own good. His hubris got him in the end for thinking he could truly master the power of the warp when he’d been warned
@@jw7500 Yeah, he was genuinely nice and caring to people of Barbarus and the OG Death Guard loved him so much that they followed his orders and hate Typhus despite worshipping Chaos. The best Mortarion moment in the Heresy was when Magnus said that he forgave Morty, and the Death Lord was so surprised at this that his spirit was lifted and believed the cause. Although Magny Magic tricked him, it was a legit heartwarming moment. This guy got a thing about getting tricked by Spykers all the time, no wonder he hates them.
Thank you for not only making a video about some of the best material out there, but also breathing life into a character and, for the first time in all attempts at it by others, getting it right. This video made me a fan of Vox, and a lover of the Night.
Once again, another great video Amber King! That last dialogue between father and son, imagined or not, always moved me and your voice cast including Vox in the Void did a phenomenal job! Shout out to all of them who do the Emperor's work. Or Curze's work if that makes more sense haha. But really that scene between Curze and the Emperor performed by your amazing VAs brought tears to my eyes. One of the good things that came out of the Heresy series for me was leaning about Curze and his legion. I barely knew anything about them prior to the Heresy series aside from their colour scheme and that Curze was killed by a callidus assassin. But oh boy, even though I'am a loyalist at heart, I find Curze to be quite a complex character and perhaps alongside Angron, the primarch who had the most reason to rebel aside from being a looney. The Curze primarch book is definitely one of my tops of the primarch series mostly due to that powerful ending. The "Emperor" makes a good point: Curze never sought to change his own fate and that is what condemned him. I do believe he could have been redeemed by his father if they had both met one last time. If only Curze had known love growing up on Nostramo, he could have been a proper arbiter of justice. Al things considered, Curze has a happier ending than anybody else still alive in 40k. On a side note, we 40k fans need a sitcom featuring Curze and Fulgrim please lol.
Another amazing piece of art, really felt this one, I'm so happy to see your growing success, I remember when you were under 10k and now you've almost tripled that and have a sponsor! Was actually really glad when your first video with a sponsor came out, was thinking ''fuck yeah this dudes finally getting some money for his amazing work'' keep it up man!
I always took Curze as an edgelord and just being dark for the sake of it. As a bit cringe. But wow, that talk with the Emperor at the end was soulcrushing, I was even a little moved by it.
Honestly mate your narrations are fantastic, been following you from the old videos and your Argel Tal video really sold me. Between you and Brother Baldermort you save me from the insomnia beast as well as inspire me to get through the dastardly grey backlog. I’m pretty sure you must be related to the narrator for Whitelight as well, unless it’s something in the water over your end of the world.
Bloody excellent deep dive and voice acting, truly immersive, thorough and gripping. Having started out as a night lords fanboy some 20 odd years ago after reading "Lord of the Night", which paints Curze in a very different light (or dark) to the much more fleshed out Horus Heresy novels, I found it somewhat heart breaking to learn the truth of the character. I imagine Zso Sahaal from Lord of the night felt much the same. There are so many grey areas and it's hard to entirely blame Konrad or the Emperor for the way this story ended, which I think makes it all the more interesting, and the most interesting primarch and legion of all the traitors if you ask me.
Ave Dominus Nox, your Night Lord videos have helped fall in love with the 8th legion and start reading the Soul Hunter series, great video as always and I hope this isn’t your last video on the 8th legion
Konrad could see the future like the emperor could, many different possibilities but Konrad didn't know that the things he sees would be one of many possible outcomes
Phenomenal video as always, and this helped me contextualize why I like the night lords so much (favorite traitor legion at least), despite their...tendencies. The big struggle konrad had was essentially the seeming inevitably of his environment corrupting him. No family, no connection, no hope twisted him into something dark. There was no mentor to temper the things he learned from those he killed. Manifesting in a fatalist mindset not unlike that old adage of, "Why should I apologize for being a monster, no one apologized for making me this way.". Yet like so many people (myself included), he frequently attempts rectify this cognitive dissonance by wrapping up his poor behavior behind justifications. Cause at the end of the day he'd break were he ever to realize that his monstrous nature formed by his environment was not an inevitability or an unfortunate necessity. Rather, it was a dark part of himself that enjoyed what he did that he simply cannot accept, much in the way most people cannot accept the worst in themselves. Yet, because he never acknowledged this on some level it always controlled his actions and mindset. Instead of realizing the immorality or folly of his actions, he consistently doubled down until the end. Which is what makes his story ultimately tragic, maybe he could have been better but I doubt he could have ever been the angel. Not without learning to try despite the odds and embrace hope for a better future.
Wow, I just discovered your content. It's perfect. Plus, Night Lords is one of my favorite chapters. As well as emperor children, death guard, and Iron warriors. Only Salmaders and Dark Karkens are my favorite loyalists.
Once again bravo. The work, the idea, the voice acting. The theme that you aim with every single one of the factions. Keep up the good work as only a man of passion could bring such wonders into this world.
Absolutely fantastic!!! I was blown away with this,my friend this is your best work,the two hours went by so quickly I was completely absorbed.Gutted now lol really looking forward to to your next piece of lore,wonderful 👍
I can't get enough of these stories. I found this channel 2 weeks ago, and have listened to all of the tales at least once through. Fantastic story telling, even better than Black Library audio books. This is my new favorite way to experience these characters.
I do find it laughably ironic that Konrad's brothers judged him so harshly for his actions despite them no doubt snuffing out uncountable human lives while the night hunter only killed a small percentage of any given population instead of untold millions. Seriously if Konrad had grown up on Terra he would of been the most human out of all the primarchs cause without the influence of his wretched home world he would of never grown to enjoy the terrible atrocities he commits and furthermore would of been taught a much more nuanced sense of justice instead of simply looking at everything as merely black and white. Obviously regardless I would never condone the actions he takes but in such a grimdark universe as 40k can you say that he wouldn't of been the lesser evil compared to many of his supposedly honorable and just brothers.
You know I never thought about this? Guys like Leman, Rogal, hell even my favorite Jaghatai, Mortarion and Horus have all killed countless millions and probably billions in their crusades. Curze probably has the lowest kill count and was still more efficient at turning worlds than Lorgar.
It’s not the fact that he kills them, he tortures, butchers and at times played those sounds throughout cities or planets to invoke fear, from the novel Pretorian of Dorn it shows that Imperial fists don’t like to torture people something extended from their primarch, most of them are warriors or guardians, Konrad isn’t either though skilled in combat he is more a viscous police force, he just the opposite in terms of view to most of his brothers especially the likes of Corvus who Konrad was jealous of since the two are similar but Corvus had a good nature which Konrad low key desired but never could be. Trust me Dorn saw the potential of Curze but never could see eye to eye, if Curze would stop after compliance Dorn would have his minor complaints but would ultimately look past it, he was mad at Alpharius for the same thing.
Tl; dr Dorn wasn’t mad over the estimate of death just the fact that it continued after compliance was made, Alpharius and especially Ferrus who Literally caught the hands heard the same thing from Dorn on “too far”.
@@domc9801 I understand that but before Konrad turned traitor his kill count was no doubt miniscule compared to that of his brothers considering they use all out planet wide warfare to force planets into compliance who resisted. Meaning as horrible as Konrad Curze is it still remains ironic that his brothers would judge him for his tactics despite only causing a fraction of the amount of deaths his brothers caused during the crusade.
Eh. I would imagine most civilized worlds that come into contact with the Ultramarines or Salamanders or other sensible legions would join them without a fight. Have to remember that diplomacy is another tool completely ignored by Kurze. Kurze is out here murderfucking every populace he comes across regardless of their willingness to join the imperium or not. Fighting a conventional war against a world that resists is one thing, live broadcast hardcore torturing children on a world that welcomed the imperium but has a bit of crime is another.
“We have come for you.” Your video, of course. As always, your character analysis is top notch. I know Kurze is very likely dead but I would’ve loved to see a redemption arc for him. But that’s wishful thinking.
@@TheAmberKing these videos will always move me I hope you also get some rest when you can don’t want you to get burnt out. there’s heart to these breakdowns of complex characters
The quote from Terry Pratchett's Hogfather means something different than what is pictured here. It's within a dialogue about why belief in things and concepts are important - when Death says "... and yet you act like there is some ... some rightness in the universe" etcetera, he doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, he points out that even though you can't really materially show bigger concepts like duty, honour and mercy, you still act as *if* it's real - and therefore, you *make* it real. Susan answers "Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point-" to which Death answers "MY POINT EXACTLY."
My favorite episode yet! I love your content so much and even though I’ve heard the story of Konrad a million times you just add something special to it.
I've always thought of the Night Haunter as Mary's Frankenstein. The Learning of humanity through shadow. The hatred he observes and commits- I just love Inhumanly tall edgy Lads. - I hope to start a new Khorne and Nightlord army when the new codex drops
Wow gosh darn it! Your video made me cry again! I thought nothing could top the Argel Tal video, but damn this was a masterpiece! I actually cried for Konrad Curze!
The Amber King has overthrown all others !! All hail the King in Amber and his court !! His throne has been built on the ashes of lesser channels!! Hail Hail Hail
This has to be my most favourite one yet. Not only because you upped the quality of it all once more (incredible!) but also because I have always taken a deep interest in the tragedy that was the life of Konrad Curze. The one Primarch I feel really was trapped within himself due to this cursed upbringing, his cursed gift of foresight and the subsequentially following cursed decisisions. Could he have been a different man? Perhaps. But would he have been Konrad Curze then, anymore? I really doubt it. I think in the end Curze had the truth of it. Konrad was exactly what he was intended to be and perhaps knew better than even his father, the Emperor, did: a man on the bring of divinity too blind to see the fractions of humanity left in him that made him flawed just like any of us.
Ave Dominus Nox brothers and sisters! A huge thank you to all the voice actors Vox, Cutis, Liam, Altrusian Grace Media and the newcomers Chris Glass and Astra Orion. The voice work on this one was incredible and I cant wait to bring more of the amazing characters in Warhammer to life in the future.
AVE DOMINUS NOX!!!
Ave Dominus Nox! Great work as always, bringing amazing new production to 40k Lore sets. Amazing.
Thank you gents!
Yes my dad is here
All hail the lord of the edge!
Ave Dominus Nox Brother's and sisters!
What a dark pleasure it was to play the Night Haunter! Can't wait to listen to it all.
Well done Mr.King, well done
Vox
you always do a fantastic job sir, admirable, well done king
@@agafv7366 thankyou brother!
Thank you Vox you sound INCREDIBLE! I haven't had the chance to listen to it all but it is incredibly captivating thank you for all your hard work.
@@novaprospects thankyou very much Sean. Means a lot to read that. I hope I do the night haunter justice in people's opinion. I know he's a wildly complex character and everyone has a different take on how he should sound. Thanks again sir!
You ARE the night haunter
The story of Kurze is very tragic. And that final encounter he has with the Emperor (whether real or imagined) carries a lot of weight. I can't help but be moved
I never realized before how his fall from grace was because he could not contain his fear of the future and how his method of war was designed to stop and strike fear in potential betrayers yet he was focusing on the wrong potential betrayers. Hence death in vindication. Its truly such a sad story.
@@scordova98 definitely doesn't help that Curze would not admit to the fact he was a monster just like the ones he condemned and murdered. His mind was so set on Fate forcing him to enjoy it instead. Curze is one of my favorite Primarch just due to how fallible and more human he is rather than the demi-god . Just a psychotic man suffering from severe psychosis
@@BestCupid Yeah. Thats the sad Truth of Kurze. A true fallible human in Primarch form! Probably even the Emperor loved him the Most! *brings a tear to my eye* knowing some humanity no matter how broken can still manifest through industrial scale trans-human processing. Thats why we love Kurze.
If only the Emperor spent more time with him and tried to help him with his visions, he must have known but did nothing. If only talked about his visions to Sanguinius instead of Fulgrim.
@@BestCupid He knows that "Nighthaunter" was a monster, but sees "Konrad" as weak. Remember when he mentions how Corax is the only one of his brothers he truly hate because of his gift. "If only I had his powers, what a much more perfect monster I could have been".
One thing that strikes me about Curze is his understanding of why he and the other Primarchs were made. When Robute is resurrected, he gets depressed from finding out his father didn’t see them as sons, but as tools,something Konrad understood 10,000 year before Gulieman ever did.
What I don't get is if he didn't look at them as his sons and only tools then why did he do what he did with Horus in their confrontation?
No, Konrad was insane because he thought his father didn’t care, which the last convo with his father shows the emperor does care about his sons. He just had to sacrifice his relationship with them in order to fight chaos
@@magicchowder I disagree entirely. When you see how he treats his sons its pretty clear he only uses them to achieve his goals. His conversation with Konrad didn’t prove that he cared, it only proved that Konrad had the choice not to follow his visions.
@@magicchowder actions speak louder than words. Understanding the right thing and doing it are two very different endeavours. Emperor may love his 'sons' yet he never showed it.
Konrad for all his faults has every right to hate the emperor.
Want to clarify that you're neither right nor wrong. GW intentionally keeps it vague to not prove the traitors or loyalists are correct.
You can see this in dark Imperium trilogy wheg Gilliumen speaks to the emperor in God blight I believe. And the emperor switches between my beloved son and my greatest tool.
GW will not confirm which one is correct.
“How could you lie to me like this? How could you lie to yourself?”
Sevatar talking to Curze like this is so beyond what I expected from their relationship, almost as much as Curze using pet names with “Sev”.
sevatar was really the only person other than primarchs that could talk to the night haunter like that and live
I adore that moment. I genuinely don't think any other legionary expect maybe Nasir Amit was ever as brutally honest with their primarch as Sevetar was in that one moment.
Mans ain’t wrong
@@commissaryarrick9670 to be fair, even the primarchs couldn't always talk to Curze like that. He did beat the shit out of Rogal that one time.
@Kilgor Pet name is more accurate since “Sev” shows the affection Curze has for him. A nickname doesn’t have to be positive or show affection.
My god the night haunter with the suicidal woman is truly a horrifying peak into his thoughts. Shows his jaded view of of justice
Sadly that's not how he was originally written before the primary novel changed his personality and reasoning behind his violence and brutality. Really ruined the character, but still my favorite.
@@Sevatar_VIIIth I recently finally found a way to get into w40 lore and currently still learning about the primarchs, Conrad along with Magnus stand out to me really like them. How was Conrad changed? Cause atleast from what im hearing here he's becoming my favourite
@@mrvasa8426 They changed his mentality in his early life on Nostramo, originally Konrad was cold and calculated murdering and torturing because that is what was needed to bring the population to heel and in line with his vision of a better Nostramo. With his primarch novel they changed him to be a murderer and torture because he enjoyed it and gained pleasure from the acts. They wrote him to now hide the fact that he enjoyed violence and brutality behind the reasoning of that being the only way to get this world's population in line.
This simply is NOT who Konrad was and for me it really changes the character into just a mindless murderer for the sake of murdering and torturing. That's not Konrad, that's not the character he was nor should be. Now him eventually doing what he did for so long changing him into enjoying the violent brutal acts after a certain point makes perfect sense and is realistically what WOULD be a consequence of that way of waging war.
@@mrvasa8426Originally, Konrad was sympathetic insofar as his rationale could be understood, if not completely misguided. BL has since turned him into a simple, demented, murdering psychopath. Nothing more. That is unfortunate because he was much more interesting.
@Sevatar_VIIIth I know this comment is old, but it is beautifully written. Curze was never the type to be a killer for the sake of being a killer, just a Demi-god with a twisted sense of “justice”, eventually turning him into the Night Haunter. Mutilating because that’s how it HAD to happen, not because he liked it. And I mean yeah, maybe later in the crusade, he starts to like it, but to me, he became psychotic, not started out as one.
I shed a tear for the monster, the man, Konrad Curze a child doomed by a fate woven by the ignorance of his youth, the fear of his existence and the future he obsessed over.
as wild as it is, highly relatable.
@@untitled795Curze was screwed since day one.
The most tragic thing about Konrad to me his how his legion became the very thing he sought to destroy
For me it's him being born into a world of brutal violence and evil acts, having a natural need to fix his world and make it better for the people on it. Then being abhorred and convicted for doing what he needed to in a universe that devours all but the ones strong enough to survive.
Konrad was born in a universe that never wanted him and never would, a life fated for loneliness, failure and death which haunted him until he died.
He was born to be the monster he was needed to be, he knew there was no place for him after the war
But as Sevatar said did you ever try to be anything else? The Legion followed him! His ways! It's his fault he didn't choose to not be the nighthaunter. Just as it was his choice his legion chose to follow the nighthaunters ways. His ways. He never tried to do anything different.
@@jamieenoshima5147 true, but honestly that doesn't take away from the tragedy. He could have changed but chose not too, when he could have been so much more. Adds another layer onto things
@@Nonameisback999 It's the debate. Did he choose not to or did he have no choice? To the Emperor POV he had a choice. He chose to be pathetic, a victim who did horrible things. Tortured and broken. To him. He's pathetic, a victim who did horrible things. Tortured and broken. But he had no choice he was born this way. And he had no choice.
We've all met, or maybe we are. That person we've came accross in our lives. Who is miserable but never tries to be happier. Are they right though? Is the world/universe really just unjust and everything is torturous. Or did they have a choice? Did they have agency to be happy.
The Emperor failed Konrad completely. He was so eager to use him as a weapon in the crusades, he didn't give Konrad the words he needed to hear. He could have gone into his mind and corrected at least some of the trauma he'd experienced. Just like how he could have forcibly removed the nails from Angron. There is so much he could have done if he wanted to.
...which proves Conrad's point. Gripping as the last minutes might have been, I find his argument with Sanguinius far more compelling.
But konrad failed himself most of all his primarch book goes into this with all of the failings of the emperor he listed it was ultimately Konrad refusal to change believe fate could be changed which caused him to hate himself more and more which in turned lead him to blame others for his failings
Just like as planned.
Only usefull to be a disposable tool
The Emperor is human, he makes mistakes like anyone, that's the point. But it was Konrad's choice to be a dickhead, that's also the point.
when an author can make you feel sympathy for one a most brutal monsters in 40k.. well you are doing something special.. and the way you narrate, the voice actors.. this is a pure gem.. thanks for your hard work.. PD. this video made me cry with Konrad..
I feel like he and Angron just got done dirty with spawn locations.
That excerpt makes me really want to read the Prince of Crows after I finish the Night Lords Omnibus. Despite Sevatar having enjoyed the cruelty as any other Night Lord. It feels like he's one of the only ones who ever truly questioned Konrad and wondered if anything better could have really been done.
So did Talos
Konrad was meant to be the Justice of the Emperor, and if Konrad had the support that he needed from anyone in his family, but sadly the mental state of the Primarch was damage beyond repair. The gift of foresight that Konrad had true torment him beyond the confines of even his superhuman mind, and without the support and care of others he was doomed to go insane.
I wouldn’t say that. Konrad had the same issue Perbs had. Some of his brothers tried to talk to him about it, but he just push them away constantly. Hell, he attacked Dorne and skinned some of his marines for some reason…. I still don’t understand why the writer added that detail. Ether way, he had multiple chances to change, but he refused each opportunity. After a certain point, you can’t save someone. Especially when they can and will try to kill you.
@@AliveRumble082 only after the action I don't think they really tried until it was too late
@@dustuncoleman705 in their defense, most of them probably didn’t know to the extent the issue. You have to remember as well these guys were spread across the galaxy with huge expeditionary fleets. So they didn’t get to spend a lot of time with one another, and a majority of the time Conrad did something to basically push them away.
@@Shx148 if I recall, Conrad also brought up during that conversation that the future isn’t written, and they could change it or go along with it. To me, it tells me Conrad did choose to go along with it. He could of spoke to the emperor about it, but he never makes and attempt too. Just like how the emperor would likely reacted. So his brother spared him. Because he knew what fate awaited Conrad with the assassin, and let Conrad receive his justice.
@@Shx148 That’s not necessarily true, yes he a product of his environment, but Sebatar calls him out on his hypocritical bullshit. He gained control of an entire planet, and what did he do with it? Did he try to tackle the problems of why his world had so much crime at the source? Hell no, he never tried to improve his homeworld in any meaningful way. Everything he did, and what his legion still does even in modern 40k is temporary. And in a way, he’s a coward. He refuses to open himself up to new ideas, and he won’t take responsibility for his actions. From what I recall, even when Fulgram told on him. They weren’t calling him a traitor. He was apart of the punishment flotilla taking part at Issvan. If they didn’t trust him or his legion. Why’d they let them join in on an action involving fighting other traitors? It doesn’t make sense. Given the night lord books, I think he genuinely felt betrayed by the imperium for his own damn negligence, and he projected all his suffering on the emperor.
Nastramo seemed like a hellish mixture of gotham city, detroit, and victorian london.
So almost as bad as Detroit?
@@balazsvarga1823 Detroit is much worse
flyover state copepost
And as a result, he became a combination of batman and Jack the ripper
@@enderknight39 Detroit has no nukes, nostramo does.
Gotta admit, I was not a fan of Curze. I have always held him in contempt, and seeing you were dedicating 2 hours to his story.. I wasn't enthusiastic to say the least.
But brother.. that was totally worth it.
I absolutely enjoyed it, thoroughly.
Well done, sir.
Never understood the hate for Curze. His legion probably killed the least total number of people than other legions. He used the lemon life gave him and made lemonade.
What’s better? Salamanders extermenatous’ing multiple planets? Why because Vulcan would hug people when he wasn’t smashing their brains in? Or Konrad filleting a few thousand and use them as example to break an entire world’s spirit?
Is it human life that’s important? Or how you feel about human life as you’re taking it?
Check out Baldermort's three part series on Rogal Dorn if you think he is uninteresting and boring. I did until I watched that series, afterwards I decided aside from Konrad Rogal has the second most tragic and heartbreaking stories of the Primarch no question. It's amazing.
Now this is a good choice, and a real test for your channel. Everyone has done something Night Lords and the literature on them is very generous; really looking forward to your narrations as the Mind of Traitors and Sevatar video was a good prequel to this.
I found the narrations well chosen and original; particular props to the lady conveying genuine despair and innocence without being overwrought, Sevatar really got to show a lot of range (especially when he was lifted up in the air, the actor voiced a Word Bearer before and I liked the opportunity he got to expand here) and Curze is a highlight. Very impressive how like Corax you went for a far deeper, richer voice than the high pitch others would have, and it's *impressive* how there's power, fright, even a genuine cackle that the voice actor should be proud of. it's an ugly, imposing voice to begin, and shifts throughout reflecting how Curze wasted away as his purpose waned.
Corvus and Conrad's relationship is the exact same as Rogal dorn and perturabo from the jealousy to the resentment
it does make sense though. if theybare all 20 separations of the emperors ideals etc then there would be overlap somewhere
It's more sanguinus than corvus that Konrad compares to, they are opposite
Another traitor L
Where's Cadia?@@proudsaiyanprince2651
The only difference is that Curze is entirely self aware. He knows he hates Corax because Corax actually fights for justice, whereas Curze knows that he never had enough faith in humanity to attempt to impose anything except order. Perturabo has no such understanding.
I was going to go to sleep but it once again seems I cannot, it's the second time it happens because of you, last time it was on your Kharn video ahahah. Keep up the good work, your videos are incredibly well made and unique, you truly deserve praise for the work and passion you put into each one.
"Staying up past your bedtime to watch RUclips videos a crime punishable by death" - The Nighthaunter probably
I'm putting this on for sleep.
I'd rather listen to to the story of Konrad than my own thoughts before bed
Not gonna lie the solution to my insomnia is between Brother Baldermort and The Amber King. Whenever it strikes I load up one of their long videos and get soothed to sleep
The kharn video was an absolute masterpiece!
Yeah... The video about Perturabo probably helped me get with my current girlfriend!
In many ways Kurze was a broken nihilist who found himself vindicated in every outcome no matter the fact he could have changed direction at any moment. Truly a self fulfilling prophesy of misery
Dziękujemy.
A Vox in the Void nailed it with the voice for Konrad!! Absolutely amazing video!! Always providing the highest quality in your videos!!
Thankyou Brother!!
This was even better than I could have hoped for. Truly one of the most tragic characters in the warhammer universe. The ending of this one, and the way you portrayed Konrad's realization of his guilt and choices honestly left me misty-eyed. I find myself saying this over and over, but this has to be your best work to date... The way you, and the people you work with bring these characters to life is unbelievably entertaining to listen to.
I'm looking forward to the Khargan, another one of my favorites. I am certain you will do him justice.
Ave Dominus Nox.
This is too much. Why does this vid resonate with me so much. He’s such a terrible man. Such a misguided soul. I can’t get behind the emperor when he was so dismissive of the sons that needed him most. Konrad, Magnus, Perturabo. They would have been such great men. Paragons for humanity. All they needed was a heavier hand.
One of the saving graces for the Emperor for me is that he thinks so too. He knows he wasn't the best dad and Malcador and him have expressed regret over how everything went down.
Don't forget angron ...... But yes I agree ... I too always find my attentions coming back to Konrad ... Maybe because as children we feel our agency was taken and we realize this world requires you to be a monster sometimes just to survive .... The only thing we ever wanted was love and acceptance but the only part of us that the world wouldnt walk all over was the monster ..... It's easy to see that the monster is the only way Konrad felt safe .... Felt strong ... Had he just had a loving touch by someone...... Anyone he respected or looked up to .... If only a stern but gentle parental touch was applied ..... A tiny guiding light .... Maybe he would have found the strength to be someone other than the monster who kept him alive all his life.... Maybe the darkness wouldn't have been his only comfort ...... Maybe with that he could have found a way to be better.
Man, this is a mastercrafted work of audio art. I'm getting to the point where I'm starting to call this channel "The Other Baldermort" lol. Certainly not an insult to our dear Brother Baldermort, but certainly a compliment to you. Keep it up.
Love Baldermort! An absolute gem to Ou 40k community.
I dont know what your expertise is, or what influenced your style, but you've VERY quickly established yourself as a *necessary* purveyor of this 40k lore.
My actual job is nothing like RUclips, just loved 40k lore so thought I would give it a try.
I am one of many that are glad you did!
Hell yeah, keep crushing these videos. You're on your way to at least 100k subs pretty soon.
If I said this wasn’t some of the best 40k content on RUclips I’d be a heretic. It’s so good with the voice overs 🤩🤩🤩. Please keep this going the way it is it’s masterpiece after masterpiece.
Dude, I cannot speak to the levels of both admiration and inspiration you evoke in me when I listen to your videos. I did not think for a second that Conrad Konrad Curze would make an interesting character study, but I've watched it 3 times in its entirety so far. The voice acting of both you and the others during his talk with his vision of the Emperor nearly had me in tears. Keep up the good work... and hopefully I'll be throwing up content alongside you- having both you and Baldermort to thank for igniting such inspiration within the depths of my soul. You rock man! God bless, and may the Emporer's (a.k.a. Worst Dad Ever) light hopefully guide you better than it guided himself. :P
Good luck with your channel 👍
Ever watch the three part series on Rogal Dorn that Baldermort did? Go watch those three videos and tell me that doesn't have you feeling heartbroken for Dorn and change your outlook on not only him but how you view the Primarchs.
I've heard the lore maybe a thousand times. But you, you make something special, something very pleasant to the ears. I salute you brother, ave dominus nox, May insanity guide you through the darkest of nights
I've been watching your vids for over 8 hours while I worked today and NOW YOU RELEASE ANOTHER AS I GET HOME?! You are truly a wonderous addition to the Emperor's grand design. I hope you'll grace us with more in depth looks at the legions themselves as well at some point when you've finished with the Primarchs and special characters.
Another masterpiece, you sir are getting better and better with every video.
Definitely up there with the best 40k lore channels.
Cheers brother!
I find Konrad a character born to fate in the Classical sense and the most tragic of all the characters. He leaves me with mixed emotions, but cold in the clarity of inevitability. Thank you for a brilliant rendition of who I think is the most truthful (uncomfortably so) and tragic characters of the 40k universe. Well done.
Konrad is hands down the best written primarch tbh.
Like he’s the pinnacle of lawful neutral. Like the law itself isn’t even really evil, but sweet Jesus if you break it…
WE HAVE COME FOR YOU! AVE DOMINUS NOX!
Except that's Lawful Evil
@@NecrosAcolyte Lawful neutral is just an acceptance of law, Lawful evil is the upholding of evil as according to the doctrine thereof. Lorgar is more lawful Evil, even if he is literally right.
@@cyanideinmycereal1077 Lawful Evil is not only as you define it. It can also be someone who believes the ends justify the means and thus performs evil acts even with the best intentions. Lorgar also wasn't right, the Primordial Truth is wrong in a similar vein as the Imperial Truth. Chaos is an artificial state of the Warp brought about mostly by the Eldar's actions during the second and third Wars in Heaven between the C'tan and the Old Ones. There is nothing essential, natural, or good about the Chaos gods, they are explicitly a distortion of what should be and such distortions can be reversed.
@@NecrosAcolyte Very cool.
I will die on the Lorgar hill.
@@cyanideinmycereal1077means you don't know much about the lore. Ignorance is not the path to a valid opinion
I was truly saddened and touched by Konrads determinism, even as a determinist, or perhaps even more so. It was truly a testament to how believing you have a choice can motivate you to act on your better nature, and how the opposite, is a damning excuse for some. Amazing content, both entertaining and I dare say enlightening!
Although it is inconclusive if he died or not. The video of the assassination cuts off just as we get to see what happens to him. So it is described in the Ave Dominus Nox audio novel
In the night lords trilogy, Talos breaks rank as the sight of the assassin carrying Konrad’s head makes him rage. The main theory about his survival control from his soul possibly being captured inside the nostramon crown he wore, it is theorised to be an Eldar spirit stone.
Konrad Curze is a missed opportunity from GamesWorshop to build up a series very similar to Elric of Melniboné saga for him. It literally took until now that people are finding out how tragically interesting this character and the legion is.
The Eldar probably could revive him… assuming he is on a spirit stone and that they don’t instantly slap him into their craft world
@@silent_stalker3687 or the Legion of the Damned. how metal would that be?
How awesome would it have been to have series on each primarch from childhood to before the Emperor found them.
@@Sevatar_VIIIth They would sell so much if they did this. Even books during the early crusades would sell.
@@doublestarships646 I'd buy every one, I still say after the Heresy wraps up they need to do some series going into the Primarch's life or do the great crusade. There's so much they could do that would sell, vast amounts of time we know nothing about waiting to be shown.
Stunned beyond words. This popped into my feed randomly. Glad I clicked on it 👍🏼
Welcome aboard brother!
@@TheAmberKing the night comes when they of the fallen amass for a black crusade
Such a tragic character, he embraced the role he was given loyally. The necessary evil that the Great Crusade demanded of the Nightstalker legion. He drove himself to madness until he had nothing in himself but was filled with guilt, voices and hatred.
Personally I don’t think they needed this necessary evil. Yeah, their legion scared some worlds, but they never took part in campaigns that mattered. Not like the dark angels or the iron warriors. I think he was deluding himself even back when his legion first started to fight in the crusade.
@@AliveRumble082 But that's the tragic part I think, the campaigns themselves didn't matter but the terror and reputation that was spread by the Nightstalker Legion was enough for other worlds to capitulate. Curze did his task loyally and was shunned by all for it. It's really tragic.
@@theyankeesamurai23
The story of Konrad is a story about what happens when someone subconsciously chooses to be a slave to a fate they despise. That’s about as tragic as you can possibly get.
Also for future reference the legion is called the Night Lords, not Nightstalkers. Although Nightstalkers is a name that I personally like. It fits them like a glove.
@@my8thaccount236 my bad Nightstalker was the name I gave my Night Lord Warband.. they are my favorite CSM Warband.
@@theyankeesamurai23 I think a big issue I had with that. We basically just go by their word that the reputation was enough. They don’t actually paint a lot of situations where the enemy has a lot of resolve against the imperium. I don’t actually recall any notable worlds even mentioned their tactics were used on.
Oh YES, that's going to be another banger i can feel it
I actually also like the parallel that out of all of his sons, all of his creations, all of his “tools”, the Emperor actually currently most resembles Konrad Curze, they have had a chillingly similar end. Both Mad, Insane, dying on their thrones.
Best lore video (production wise, thematically, etc) ever!
I think you are now the best lore channel. with the production and quality of a LT09 video but with the amazing addition of A Vox in the Voids voice acting, these videos are perfect. congrats, you deserve all the sucess coming your way.
Can't wait to workout to this - loved training to Kharn! Keep up the awesome work Amber King! One of the best Lore Masters for Warhammer
Doing exactly the same. Go hard brother!
i love how every warhammer lore youtuber has their own style of storytelling. i do hope that in the future there will be more lore channels that cover other sci fi/fantasy settings like dune, foundation, thomas covenant, wheel of time, the broken sword, elric, conan, fafnir and the grey mouser, black company, xeelee, the expanse, hainish cycle, earthsea, the remerberence of earth's past, first law, dying earth, space odessy, hyperion cantos, john carter, book of the new sun, malazan, dragaera, cosmere, shannara, narnia, and with each lore channel having their own style.
Listening to this again, all the voice actors are superb!! True talent is what we hear.
Honestly, one of my favorite primarchs next to Mortarion. I have a thing for twisted characters trying to do good in fucked up ways.
Magnus?
@@TheDarkTides I don’t think of Magnus as twisted though. He seemed well adjusted and well intentioned, but ultimately too curious for his own good. His hubris got him in the end for thinking he could truly master the power of the warp when he’d been warned
Wait, Mortarion tried to do good?
@@jw7500 Yeah, he was genuinely nice and caring to people of Barbarus and the OG Death Guard loved him so much that they followed his orders and hate Typhus despite worshipping Chaos.
The best Mortarion moment in the Heresy was when Magnus said that he forgave Morty, and the Death Lord was so surprised at this that his spirit was lifted and believed the cause. Although Magny Magic tricked him, it was a legit heartwarming moment.
This guy got a thing about getting tricked by Spykers all the time, no wonder he hates them.
Brother, you are one of the top creators and for the love of the emperor, please don't stop making videos
Thank you for not only making a video about some of the best material out there, but also breathing life into a character and, for the first time in all attempts at it by others, getting it right. This video made me a fan of Vox, and a lover of the Night.
Once again, another great video Amber King! That last dialogue between father and son, imagined or not, always moved me and your voice cast including Vox in the Void did a phenomenal job! Shout out to all of them who do the Emperor's work. Or Curze's work if that makes more sense haha. But really that scene between Curze and the Emperor performed by your amazing VAs brought tears to my eyes.
One of the good things that came out of the Heresy series for me was leaning about Curze and his legion. I barely knew anything about them prior to the Heresy series aside from their colour scheme and that Curze was killed by a callidus assassin. But oh boy, even though I'am a loyalist at heart, I find Curze to be quite a complex character and perhaps alongside Angron, the primarch who had the most reason to rebel aside from being a looney.
The Curze primarch book is definitely one of my tops of the primarch series mostly due to that powerful ending. The "Emperor" makes a good point: Curze never sought to change his own fate and that is what condemned him. I do believe he could have been redeemed by his father if they had both met one last time. If only Curze had known love growing up on Nostramo, he could have been a proper arbiter of justice. Al things considered, Curze has a happier ending than anybody else still alive in 40k.
On a side note, we 40k fans need a sitcom featuring Curze and Fulgrim please lol.
Another amazing piece of art, really felt this one, I'm so happy to see your growing success, I remember when you were under 10k and now you've almost tripled that and have a sponsor! Was actually really glad when your first video with a sponsor came out, was thinking ''fuck yeah this dudes finally getting some money for his amazing work'' keep it up man!
I always took Curze as an edgelord and just being dark for the sake of it. As a bit cringe.
But wow, that talk with the Emperor at the end was soulcrushing, I was even a little moved by it.
Honestly mate your narrations are fantastic, been following you from the old videos and your Argel Tal video really sold me. Between you and Brother Baldermort you save me from the insomnia beast as well as inspire me to get through the dastardly grey backlog. I’m pretty sure you must be related to the narrator for Whitelight as well, unless it’s something in the water over your end of the world.
Bloody excellent deep dive and voice acting, truly immersive, thorough and gripping.
Having started out as a night lords fanboy some 20 odd years ago after reading "Lord of the Night", which paints Curze in a very different light (or dark) to the much more fleshed out Horus Heresy novels, I found it somewhat heart breaking to learn the truth of the character. I imagine Zso Sahaal from Lord of the night felt much the same. There are so many grey areas and it's hard to entirely blame Konrad or the Emperor for the way this story ended, which I think makes it all the more interesting, and the most interesting primarch and legion of all the traitors if you ask me.
This is by far my favourite video of yours!
If Konrad wasn't my favourite primarch already, he would be now ! Great job!
2 yrs later and here I am again listening to a masterpiece thank you for this 😢
Ave Dominus Nox, your Night Lord videos have helped fall in love with the 8th legion and start reading the Soul Hunter series, great video as always and I hope this isn’t your last video on the 8th legion
Yes dude!!! I cant wait to listen to this tonight after work
Konrad could see the future like the emperor could, many different possibilities but Konrad didn't know that the things he sees would be one of many possible outcomes
Phenomenal video as always, and this helped me contextualize why I like the night lords so much (favorite traitor legion at least), despite their...tendencies. The big struggle konrad had was essentially the seeming inevitably of his environment corrupting him. No family, no connection, no hope twisted him into something dark. There was no mentor to temper the things he learned from those he killed. Manifesting in a fatalist mindset not unlike that old adage of, "Why should I apologize for being a monster, no one apologized for making me this way.". Yet like so many people (myself included), he frequently attempts rectify this cognitive dissonance by wrapping up his poor behavior behind justifications. Cause at the end of the day he'd break were he ever to realize that his monstrous nature formed by his environment was not an inevitability or an unfortunate necessity. Rather, it was a dark part of himself that enjoyed what he did that he simply cannot accept, much in the way most people cannot accept the worst in themselves. Yet, because he never acknowledged this on some level it always controlled his actions and mindset.
Instead of realizing the immorality or folly of his actions, he consistently doubled down until the end. Which is what makes his story ultimately tragic, maybe he could have been better but I doubt he could have ever been the angel. Not without learning to try despite the odds and embrace hope for a better future.
Massive congraulations on the nearly 30k subs King. Your channel has come such a long way
Can't wait to enjoy this.
We have come for you my King! Thank you so much for this new gem, a perfect work again!!
Wow, I just discovered your content. It's perfect. Plus, Night Lords is one of my favorite chapters. As well as emperor children, death guard, and Iron warriors. Only Salmaders and Dark Karkens are my favorite loyalists.
That was the best video yet (close tie with trazyn)! The voice acting was outstanding - the best combination so far!
i cant get over how well the voice acting is. the actor voicing curze is amazing.
The delivery of this is excellent. Such a tragic figure. Everyone can see a piece of themselves in Curze in some form or other.
I was looking forward to this, and you delivered. Fantastic summation of Warhammer’s most tragic villain.
Masterfully done. Beautiful work. The voice work was flawless, the settings were inescapably tragic.
Kick ass as always my man, I'm always excited to watch your videos. Great cast of people to help put this together. I can't wait to see the next one.
Once again bravo. The work, the idea, the voice acting. The theme that you aim with every single one of the factions. Keep up the good work as only a man of passion could bring such wonders into this world.
Absolutely fantastic!!! I was blown away with this,my friend this is your best work,the two hours went by so quickly I was completely absorbed.Gutted now lol really looking forward to to your next piece of lore,wonderful 👍
This was insanely good. I never really understood Curze, until this video put it all together. Damn.
I can't get enough of these stories. I found this channel 2 weeks ago, and have listened to all of the tales at least once through. Fantastic story telling, even better than Black Library audio books. This is my new favorite way to experience these characters.
I do find it laughably ironic that Konrad's brothers judged him so harshly for his actions despite them no doubt snuffing out uncountable human lives while the night hunter only killed a small percentage of any given population instead of untold millions. Seriously if Konrad had grown up on Terra he would of been the most human out of all the primarchs cause without the influence of his wretched home world he would of never grown to enjoy the terrible atrocities he commits and furthermore would of been taught a much more nuanced sense of justice instead of simply looking at everything as merely black and white. Obviously regardless I would never condone the actions he takes but in such a grimdark universe as 40k can you say that he wouldn't of been the lesser evil compared to many of his supposedly honorable and just brothers.
You know I never thought about this? Guys like Leman, Rogal, hell even my favorite Jaghatai, Mortarion and Horus have all killed countless millions and probably billions in their crusades. Curze probably has the lowest kill count and was still more efficient at turning worlds than Lorgar.
It’s not the fact that he kills them, he tortures, butchers and at times played those sounds throughout cities or planets to invoke fear, from the novel Pretorian of Dorn it shows that Imperial fists don’t like to torture people something extended from their primarch, most of them are warriors or guardians, Konrad isn’t either though skilled in combat he is more a viscous police force, he just the opposite in terms of view to most of his brothers especially the likes of Corvus who Konrad was jealous of since the two are similar but Corvus had a good nature which Konrad low key desired but never could be. Trust me Dorn saw the potential of Curze but never could see eye to eye, if Curze would stop after compliance Dorn would have his minor complaints but would ultimately look past it, he was mad at Alpharius for the same thing.
Tl; dr Dorn wasn’t mad over the estimate of death just the fact that it continued after compliance was made, Alpharius and especially Ferrus who Literally caught the hands heard the same thing from Dorn on “too far”.
@@domc9801 I understand that but before Konrad turned traitor his kill count was no doubt miniscule compared to that of his brothers considering they use all out planet wide warfare to force planets into compliance who resisted. Meaning as horrible as Konrad Curze is it still remains ironic that his brothers would judge him for his tactics despite only causing a fraction of the amount of deaths his brothers caused during the crusade.
Eh. I would imagine most civilized worlds that come into contact with the Ultramarines or Salamanders or other sensible legions would join them without a fight. Have to remember that diplomacy is another tool completely ignored by Kurze.
Kurze is out here murderfucking every populace he comes across regardless of their willingness to join the imperium or not.
Fighting a conventional war against a world that resists is one thing, live broadcast hardcore torturing children on a world that welcomed the imperium but has a bit of crime is another.
Two fucking hours of Curze?
Yes. I can dig it.
“We have come for you.” Your video, of course. As always, your character analysis is top notch. I know Kurze is very likely dead but I would’ve loved to see a redemption arc for him. But that’s wishful thinking.
I want to see him and sanguinus being released together, they are opposites of each other
so glad you used my night lord flare painting was hoping it was used in a video like this. an honour to be in an amber king video
It is a masterpiece my man! I've seen it many times online!!
The honour is mine, it’s one of my favourite 40k artworks period. You have an amazing talent brother!
@@TheAmberKing these videos will always move me I hope you also get some rest when you can don’t want you to get burnt out. there’s heart to these breakdowns of complex characters
@@AVoxintheVoid thank you! love the way you bring a big presence to your VA performances or nuanced and emotive. brilliant.
The quote from Terry Pratchett's Hogfather means something different than what is pictured here. It's within a dialogue about why belief in things and concepts are important - when Death says "... and yet you act like there is some ... some rightness in the universe" etcetera, he doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, he points out that even though you can't really materially show bigger concepts like duty, honour and mercy, you still act as *if* it's real - and therefore, you *make* it real. Susan answers "Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point-" to which Death answers "MY POINT EXACTLY."
I love the voice of Konrad, so deep, menacing, full of malice and sometimes, a hint of madness
Really good. I look forward to listening to the rest of your content.
My favorite episode yet! I love your content so much and even though I’ve heard the story of Konrad a million times you just add something special to it.
You just keep getting better!!!! Stay the course and you WILL be the number 1
40k channel. So good!
Every bit of dialogue and everything you’ve narrated is excellent, love this channel so much brother.
this is how you feel and understand a being as twisted as the Night Haunter. Amazing job!
Listening to this has been an amazing journey.
This video deserves far more views and you sir many more subs for making it.
I've always thought of the Night Haunter as Mary's Frankenstein.
The Learning of humanity through shadow. The hatred he observes and commits- I just love Inhumanly tall edgy Lads.
- I hope to start a new Khorne and Nightlord army when the new codex drops
The voice for Kurze was perfect! What an amazing video.
Best voice I could have ever imagined for Curze.
Amazing job as always! I’ve been anxiously waiting for this one. Ave Dominus Nox!
I’ve been waiting for this for soooo long. I’m so happy because I love the night lords and konrad kurze
I have always enjoyed and continue to look forward to the new videos you make. Thank you so much for all the hard work/art you give to everyone.
Your channel and your narration is superb. Brilliant work. You bring the warhammer lore and mythology to life
Thank you so much!
ive heard this story in full like two dozen times but you as always do it justice in a way even konrad would be proud of
God, I love these videos. great work as always
Incredible! Please keep up the great work.
You have made this beautiful and tragic story masterfully well, the music the voice acting just prefect
Wow gosh darn it! Your video made me cry again! I thought nothing could top the Argel Tal video, but damn this was a masterpiece! I actually cried for Konrad Curze!
your video quality exceeds all the other 40k lore channels! testament to the passion that goes into every video!
An incredible addition to the collection. Somehow you keep raising the bar. Nicely done sir 👍
The Amber King has overthrown all others !! All hail the King in Amber and his court !! His throne has been built on the ashes of lesser channels!! Hail Hail Hail
This has to be my most favourite one yet. Not only because you upped the quality of it all once more (incredible!) but also because I have always taken a deep interest in the tragedy that was the life of Konrad Curze. The one Primarch I feel really was trapped within himself due to this cursed upbringing, his cursed gift of foresight and the subsequentially following cursed decisisions. Could he have been a different man? Perhaps. But would he have been Konrad Curze then, anymore? I really doubt it. I think in the end Curze had the truth of it. Konrad was exactly what he was intended to be and perhaps knew better than even his father, the Emperor, did: a man on the bring of divinity too blind to see the fractions of humanity left in him that made him flawed just like any of us.
I've come back to this video time and time again and each time its gets to me. Such a good telling of the tragedy of Konrad Kurze, if not the best
You are now my favourite lore channel!!!
Awesome stuff man keep up the good work