Wasn’t it KINDA About STATES’ RIGHTS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Episode 8 of Checkmate, Lincolnites! Debunking the Lost Cause myth that the South seceded because of states' rights.
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~REFERENCES~
[1] South Carolina General Assembly. “Debates Which Arose in the House of Representatives of South Carolina on the Constitution Framed for the United States” (1831). Printed by A. E. Miller, Page 19-32
[2] Isaac Makos. “Shays’ Rebellion” (2021). American Battlefield Trust www.battlefiel...
[3] “The Federalist Number 45, 26 January 1788.” Founders Online, National Archives founders.archi...
[4] “From James Madison to Alexander Hamilton, 20 July 1788.” Founders Online, National Archives founders.archi...
[5] Robert E. Bonner. Mastering America: Southern Slaveholders and the Crisis of American Nationhood (2009). Cambridge University Press, Page 41-55
[6] Robert Pierce Forbes. The Missouri Compromise and Its Aftermath: Slavery and the Meaning of America (2007). University of North Carolina Press, Page 38-58
[7] Kathleen Thompson. “When Did Slavery Really End in the North?” (2017). Civil Discourse: A Civil War Era Blog civildiscourse-...
[8] Bonner, Page 58-61
[9] “Amendments Proposed in Congress by Senator John J. Crittenden” (1860). Avalon Project, Lillian Goldman Law Library avalon.law.yal...
[10] Wilson Lumpkin, Wymberley Jones De Renne. The Removal of the Cherokee Indians From Georgia, Volume I (1907). Dodd, Mead & Company, Page 45-47
[11] Harold D. Moser, David R. Hoth, & George H. Hoemann. The Papers of Andrew Jackson, Volume IV, 1816-1820 (1994). University of Tennessee Press, Page 95
[12] Joshua A. Lynn. Preserving the White Man’s Republic: Jacksonian Democracy, Race, and the Transformation of American Conservatism (2019). University of Virginia Press, Page 2-14
[13] “President Andrew Jackson’s Message to Congress on ‘Indian Removal’” (1830). National Archives www.archives.g...
[14] Lynn, Page 26-27
[15] Gerhard Peters & John T. Woolley. “Andrew Jackson, Seventh Annual Message Online.” The American Presidency Project www.presidency...
[16] Bonner, Page 223-228
[17] George Fitzhugh. “The Revolutions of 1776 and 1861 Contrasted” (1863). Southern Literary Messenger #37 [Nov-Dec 1863], Page 718-722
[18] Bonner, Page 264-269
[19] James Henley Thornwell. The Collected Writings of James Henley Thornwell (1871-73). Presbyterian Committee of Publication, Page 551
Stick around for the credits.
@Russian Waifu no
Oooh, you’re marvel?
When is the next Frozen 50s man
@Russian Waifu nah
@Russian Waifu northern aggression of not surrendering a military fort and being attacked?
What an honor to be a part of this masterpiece, and I always wanted to be journalist (since that's what my major was in college).
Awesome cameo!
Mr Breast!!
You sold it like a champ. I wouldn't have been abled to keep my composure.
You guys should do more collabs
You two are really unbiased in your videos and very very informative
Keep up the good work guys
As a non-American I enjoy learning about your history and politics
@@Gia1911Logous I agree!
"species of property" is the worst euphemism I have ever had the displeasure of hearing
When in the video was that?
Somewhere in the first quarter of the video. I am only a third of the way through the video and I heard that part already.
Pretty funny out of context though
When I heard that, I literally had to stop what I was doing, to dedicate all my brain power to mentally process those words. Baffled when I heard it, and baffled still.
It's not a euphemism. One of the definitions of species is things of the same kind. Not only living things, any things.
you know what’s better than states rights, human rights.
Literally solved every US political debate
Know what is greater than human rights? VERITAS! The U.S. War of Rights (Secession?) WAS about Federal rights versus state rights (ref: taxation control and import/export control).
The South's economy was the fourth largest (read "richest") on Earth surpassed only by the three colonial empires (England, Spain, France). The Federal government sought to cash in on those riches by further taxing the South
Human rights to loot, burn, commit crime and then play victim, yes, thank you UNION
boooo
Well, that depends.
Learning about Confederate leaders’ plans for if they won was really fucking grim
I have the strangest feeling that it would like what Hitler planned for Eastern Europe
“The First American Slave Empire” is a phrase so nightmarish I’m legit surprised there aren’t any alt-history video games about a group of heroes rising up to overthrow such a society Wolfenstein-style.
The closest video game example I can think of to this hypothetical society is Colombia from Bioshock Infinite, but the racism and neo-slavery was only a background issue in that story. So somebody really needs to make this game!
Wait until you find out the union's plans if the confederacy was won over by the union's proposition of the Corwin amendment in 1861.
@@AD-dg3zzbioshock infinite is the world's greatest example of "great idea bad execution"
I think wolfenstein 2 the new colossus is the greatest story we've had taking on this idea in a game yet imo, however I do think there's a game about alt right takeover that's alot more realistic and impactful, albeit in a more serious and hopeless way, being the hotline miami series, but yeah I fully agree that would be awesome if done right and not offensively
It’s like that iq score meme:
Low: they were cartoonishly evil.
Middle: it was a complicated political issue.
High: they were super cartoonishly evil, like beyond belief, I have the letters to prove it
So you think other Americans' evil is justification for trashing the constitution and the rule of law and denying them the right to self-government?
@@patrickcleburneuczjsxpmp9558 yes.
@@striker8961 You sound like the people that defended slavery on the basis of blacks supposedly lacking the moral qualities for self-government.
@@patrickcleburneuczjsxpmp9558 what are you smoking and where can I go to avoid it at all costs
@@striker8961 I'm not the one making excuses for denying other people the right to self-government. You and defenders of slavery have that very much in common.
This video is the perfect embodiment of:
When you don’t know anything about the Civil War, you think it was all about slavery. When you start to study the Civil War, you learn about a complex myriad of issues like states’ rights, the preservation of the Southern economy, and a defense of a way of life. When you’ve dug deep into the study of the Civil War, you realize it was all about slavery.
So... the uninformed position was correct, lol.
@@aralornwolf3140 there's just more nuance. Slavery was indeed the primary cause of the civil war and while there were other issues like tariffs, they are all still tied to slavery. Instead of different issues sitting together side by side in equal importance, it's more like slavery is the big bubble on top which trickles down to the smaller bubbles. However the uninformed position tries to water down slavery as the primary cause even though almost every hot button issue in the early to the mid 1800s was centered around slavery.
3/5 Compromise, Missouri Compromise, Compromise of 1850, Kansas Nebraska Act, Fugitive Slave Act, Dred Scott Case, Bleeding Kansas etc.
Lol, well said, sir..
@@Spongebrain97 The reason the South left the union and the reason the north went to war with them are different.
Leaving the union was not an act of aggression. It did not start the war.
@@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845 "No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation." The South did this when it seceded and formed each individual government, and again when they formed the confederate states. That's a hostile act of aggression against the Constitution and since the states had ceased to enforce federal law, it couldn't be interpreted as anything other than an uprising
"a bunch of trouble making free loaders"
"they were white"
"Brave rebels!"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 That killed me
The tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots. 😂😂😂
me too
comedy gold 10/10
I almost wonder...if the george floyd protests were done majority by white people and they were protesting the death of an innocent white man, would people have demonized it as much?
To me it is less comedy, and more frighteningly accurate.
To quote a funny brocolli man
"state's rights to do what?"
Get Douglas'd
@@tonyjoestar2632*Cue a version of Dixie.
@@AshanBhatoa Union Dixie.
DOOBUS
State’s rights to utilize slave labor for profit.
It's no wonder Jonny Reb didn't remember Episode 1 at first.
After all, he wasn't there. That was some other Confederate officer, who you shot dead.
I'm still not sure if it was right to murder that Confederate officer. Just because someone's nasty doesn't mean they deserve to die!
Indeed. That was Stonewall Dixie, not Johnny Reb.
@@YokaiXlmao
He died to a gunshot wound too
Lt. Summ G. other
"Sounds like a bunch of trouble making freeloaders looking for a handout"
"They were white"
"Brave rebels.." LOL that was great
ruclips.net/user/clipUgkxObkNlr_5jctkblTI__lU3AZLOuVS_yDl
A perfect summary of American history discourse.
Yep, racism for ya
I cackled so loudly my partner came to check on me! I had to rewind because I'd missed some 5 minutes gasping for breath 😆😂😆🤣😆😅
That made laugh harder than I have laughed in weeks!! 🤣🤣
4:45
Of all the people that own both a nazi uniform and a confederate uniform I trust you the most
That is a group that I hope is very small yet is likely larger then I imagine.
@@williamnewman8293 and hopefully populated mostly by historians... but we know it's not entirely 👀
Of all the people who own either of those uniforms (except maybe civil war reenactors ) hes the only one i trust
only other guy I trust with a nazi uniform is Jreg
@@bigbubbles55 who is jreg
I like the way Johnny Rebb is allowed to make some good points, such as calling BS on the way the north treated native americans. That is a totally fair point.
Southerners were the *last folks* to be talking about treating the natives like 2nd-class citizens
@@ManiacX1999 I think the point is that the northerners were not saints. I think maybe we'd be able to finally make peace if the northerners dropped their high and mighty attitude and admitted they committed a ton of atrocities too. I say this is a northerner.
@William-the-Guy Those damn northerners, unwilling to admit to their atrocities. They started the Civil War, too! Will their crimes NEVER end?
Anyway I'm sure the United States treated their native population much better once the confederates were defeated and re-added to the union, and the south was able to campaign for the rights of native peoples. Wait, I'm getting some breaking ne- oh. Oh no.
Absolutely but a lot of people use this as a justification for the wrongs the south did by going "well the north did this and that etc"
@@Chris-qo4rt Again, true. But what I have said I think in every post here is that the best response to that is to say "YES, the north did those things, that does not somehow change the horrible things the south did." I think that denying the crimes of the north is what makes it so easy for others to deny the crimes of the south. Just admitting that prevents the conversation from becoming hypocritical.
Just wanted to say I immensely enjoy your sense of humour and dedication to correcting historical narratives that so often go unchallenged.
You know a videos good when you see some of your other favorite RUclipsrs in the comments
Yeah this is definitely the kind of video I'd find you commenting on.
love how he brings to light both perspectives from either side of the debate...clearly defined that it was the cause of spread of slavery that mainly brought about the civil war, that it was incumbent upon Lincoln to solve a national moral crisis....you know, REAL problems to worry about , not the nonsense concocted today by immoral people who have nothing better to do with their mundane existence
A lot often do.
Especially why the “white race” was created in the first place after the start of the Columbian Exchange…
Yes it's sad that the historical narrative that the civil war was fought over state's right's....."to own slaves" has been "accidentally forgotten". It's a good thing the attempt to change the FACT of the actual narrative will not change just because cowards want a made up excuse to "justify" their belief in a lie.
Anyone notice how Johnny Reb's character has subtly been changing. Before he seemed completely opposed to the idea that slavery had anything to do with secession, but now he is suggesting that slavery had played a part, but some other matters may have also been involved. Not to mention in the earlier episodes, He would sleep, take fake phone calls, look around the room, or be really mad whenever Billy Yank made valid counter arguments to his points. However for the most, he is more respectful and seems interested or at least willing to hear what Billy Yank is saying.
Well his character is the embodiment of the “Southern Cause” that many have fantasized about to this day. Not the reality of it. His initial take has always been focused on two points. 1) Slavery itself wasn’t the direct cause of the Civil War, and 2) That it was truly a war of Northern Aggression. He’s representing those who go about worshipping Confederate generals and trying to find any means to “justify” the Confederate cause even by the slightest. So when the reality is revealed to him, even he is taken back, because it hampers his romanticized view of the Confederate cause.
he's also becoming open to accepting some things the confederacy has done and said as horrific (eg: when he heard George Fitzhugh's quote at 38:32. early Johnny would have just brushed that off.)
Interesting
Maybe Johnny Reb hates the oligarchy which caused the Succession?
I loved that he's has definitely had more character to him. He still has his southern pride, but he doesn't seem to be very eager to fan wave the truth about the confederacy or attach that pride to them. He's growing as a character, and to be honest, it shows Atun-Shei is growing too, this is the same guy who brutishly murdered this rebel before, but is now more comfortable to talk some scene into him to a point were the rebel actually changes his mind. It's nice to watch these videos the most out of his series.
This episode is the embodiment of what this channel has become to me and probably many other viewers.
I came watching some Checkmate Licolnites, but it's the super creative and unique stuff I stayed for.
There's no other channel that combines educational elements with s-tier entertainment, in such an amazing way.
Yay! Very kind, thank you!
@@AtunSheiFilms
That end credits scene in particular was… *chef’s kiss*
@@AtunSheiFilms For real though. It's an embodiment of genuine passion, and it's amazing to see your work grow! ❤
I completely agree.
Perfect comment
"Sounds like a bunch of trouble-making freeloaders looking for a handout!"
"They were white."
"Brave rebels! The tree of liberty must be watered by the blood of patriots!"
My fave line so far.
Basically Conservative rhetoric on welfare
@@kingofcards9516 Its really not. For example, l Conservatives thanked Trump for giving the mainly white farmers relief after his failed tariff war. Than when years later, Biden had a minor clause in the BBB plan, wherein black farmers would recieve relief, Conservatives threw a massive hissy fit.
@@eazy8579 Lol is that what you taught yourself?
@@kingofcards9516 cringe
@@eazy8579
[He doesn't realize he's being just as cancerous as the caricature of Johnny Reb here]
Points for unintentional irony, though, I guess.
How did no one notice that literally everything Jackson said sounded like a villain speech.
It even sounded like Atun-Shei was doing a bit of a Charlton Heston impression. Heston played Jackson in "The Buccaneer" in the 50s, and the portrayal was influential for a while. Layering on any audience memories of Heston's own politics (for reference, look up his history with the NRA) makes for a solid villain performance.
Hot on the heels of the success of the hit musical Hamilton, behold the Jackson musical!
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STRAIGHT UP AND THIS DUDE IS JUST ON YOUR MONEY. MY GODDAMN MONEY
"Local conservatives minds blown as they realize don't tread on me and back the blue are radically different ideas" is the greatest thing I've ever seen
Ah yes if you oppose tyranny that means you support anarchy middle ground is a complete non concept for American leftists
Not punishing crimes isn’t freedom. So, only to a point.
If anything, anarchist/community/volunteer police would be harsher. While not identical, my campus police at University of Chicago were “meaner” than Chicago PD.
People who dislike back the blue all have twitter addictions anyway
“Don’t tread on me!! It’s MY RIGHT to lick the lovely leather boots of the fine police officers”
@@Balrog-tf3bg next time your house is being robbed call Batman jackass
Not really, “back the blue” is a reactionary slogan against the defunding that plagued many police departments due to the BLM inspired purging of police. Meanwhile “don’t tread on me” is about individual rights, and police do not fundamentally go against that.
The fact that the Confederacy was never really going to be the “libertarian dream-state” Lost Causers pretend it was, but instead an authoritarian apartheid state (or worse yet a dictatorship) is so ironic it borders on comedic.
Libertarians don’t see it that way. They see it sets a precedent for other states as well. Many northern states originally wanted to secede from government firstly. In fact the original abolitionists were the trend setters. You guys love to attack libertarians lol why loser?
The Confederacy was not a libertarian dream state, they still had an age of consent.
@@danieldykstra3079
Being in the 19th century it was probably something like 12 honestly wasn't it, as for the black people didn't they keep them as se* slave or was there a code against that? perhaps with viewing them as literal livestock most would be put off Honestly If I grew up on a plantation and was raised that way, I'm sure as a horny teenager it would be a very bad thing for the slaves, as Jonny Reb says " I definitely would have been an abolitionist if I was alive back then" "shut up" lmao, in a 150 years people will back on us in horror and not be able to comprehend many things that are normalized in our society"
Nor remotely true. The confederacy was very big on states rights. Each state could print their own money, place their own tariffs, etc. In a disagreement between state and federal laws, states won. Now, this was undoubtedly going to make the confederacy fail, so slavery probably would've ended in the next 100 years anyway from a complete economic collapse, but they were very big on the states having the right to do what they want and not an authoritarian federal government.
Remember that a few weeks before this came out, a “Southern Heritage” supporter refused to comment when asked three times if he supported slavery. For all the under-educated, misguided people, there’s a core of true racists and would-be slave owners.
The Republicans would repeal the 13th Amendment if they REALLY wanted to.
Someone in public office?
That's absolutely batshit insane. Supporting slavery is beyond the Pale, EVEN among most racists.
Most of the "Heritage, not hate" good ole boys think the "Rebel Flag" is a Confederate one.
That clip was crazy, dude was given three opportunities to correctly answer the easiest yes or no question in existence and failed.
It’s crazy how people will still argue for the “states rights” and “Lost Cause” theory after hearing how *their* politicians actually wanted the Government of the Confederacy to have MORE power over southern states.
Because it was about the North having power over the South. It turns out the Southern objection is 'we don't want to be under the thumb of people who hate us and want us dead'.
Who cares
@@chile_en_nogada2090
Because we might get round 2 soon enough.
@@chile_en_nogada2090 …you clearly do…you cared enough to comment about how much no-one cares…which doesn’t make much sense.
Also, clearly 51 people care? Do you not see the likes?
Your the type of person to look at a famous artist you hate and say “who even likes them” because your too hard headed to even understand that people could like something different than you.
@@samuelskinner7704 you’ll get whipped again
The North didn’t always fight to end slavery. But the South always fought to keep it
pretty much the best way to put it.
Neo-confederates will never understand that this isn't a game of who's side is better, even though the answer is very clear. its a case of a group of white supremacist traitors who were trying to make a autocracy based around how much they love having slaves.
Yes. And why is that? Because their entire economy depended on it. Agriculture was the way of the South. That was its industry. The North had already shifted due to the Industrial Revolution. A big difference in the use/need for slaves.
@@theredpriest except they never needed slaves. countless economies including to this day are and is depended upon agriculture and there has never been a point where slavery was needed. the south and USA as a whole never needed slavery, they chose slavery due to greed AND most importantly white supremacy goals that where infused to keep those systems and to further white supremacism ideals.
do you want to know what happened to agriculture after slavery? it didn't stop nor did the economies depending on it ever stop needed to be depended on it. your entire argument is flawed in every degree and you're for some reason trying to justify slavery which was never something that the south needed, it was propagated by large plantations who forced its states into war for the sake of greed. the money of which only kept southern states poor and all the wealth in the hands of pentation owners while even white small farmers suffered.
@@joedatius That's the thing. Couldn't Irish and German immigrants (two biggest incoming groups at the time) picked the cotton and other stuff, along with US citizens? I've long seen slavery as the plantation owners not wanting to pay fair wages (just like the corporations who put their factories in the sweatshops of Communist China).
@@thunderbird1921 pretty much, not only this but slavery was only economically viable for the south because of laws set by southern politicians who were more often then not influenced by plantation owners or where from plantation families themselves. who knowingly created a situation where the South was forced into being a slave run economy due to plantation greed. its why so many of the souths generals and politicians where from plantation families
As a modern white southerner, screw the confederacy. There were southerners that were against the confederacy. I don’t know much about them, but I know a few existed. Southern Hospitality should be for welcoming everyone.
There were actually enough to form Union Army regiments that fought against the Confederate Army. The influence also extends into the US Navy with the most famous naval commander of that war being a Southerner by the name of David Farragut.
southern unionists were pretty cool, and if anything displayed the workingman 'rebel spirit' more than the wannabe aristocrats of the south. it's hard enough to take up arms for freedom against countrymen in another state, but doing so knowing your neighbours are arrayed against you and you fight anyway? based. they should be the ones with statues. if the neo confederates want their "we must remember history!" i say put up southern unionist and abolitionist statues. that's the legacy they should be proud of and claim
My GG grandpa fought in the 6th TN mounted infantry US during the civil war
@@HaloFTW55afaik one of the really good generals of the union who did not make much name to himself because he destroyed his own diaries was also a southerner
Wow such a brave take 👏 👌
Is no one else gonna mention the cinematography of the end credits scene? Everything from the lighting to the choice of closeups to the acting was superb. When the guy sat up at the end I had actual chills. A+, I’m stoked to see what this means for 50’s man
I noticed the chess board
he's a legitimately trained filmaker
@@justinlindfors8512 Apparently I need to re-watch it now
The alcohol choices are VERY purposeful. Billy was drinking Apothic Inferno during the Sherman episode. This episode Billy is drinking Sam Adams while he talks at great length about the Revolution. Johnny is drinking The Boot as Billy lays out how the Confederacy was an authoritarian state. Nice little detail, Andy. I see you, 😂
I can't believe he shook up and spilled all that beer everywhere!
“I fear’d [sic] being guilty of Injustice to the Brute Creation, if I represented Drunkenness as a beastly Vice, since, ’tis well-known, that the Brutes are in general a very sober sort of People.” - Benjamin Franklin
I saw that too.
I think Confederate dreams of empire, autocracy, theocracy, etc. deserve their own video! Really interesting subject
see alternate history channel. They have a video about that.
We need to revisit the Spanish American war and the colonization of the US territories primarily by southern politicians. Many who served in the CSA, or had a parent or grandparent who did. Put a racist in charge of people of color outside the continental US. Let’s see what happens!
@@Davidschannel76 Death
I support this whole heartedly.
Earthquakes though . . .
It never ceases to amaze me how people can look back at all this information and still believe that the slavers were right and that african americans were not human.
Simple. They just… don’t look at that stuff… and oh man it’s like it never happened
@@heyyou322people in general really like looking at the good shit a person or nation has done, and completely ignoring all the bad stuff
Wow, the political makeup of the Confederacy was an absolute cluster fucking mess in ways I didn't even know. I knew it was top heavy class wise but the fact it was verging on autocratic monarchy is absolute madness. Great video, PS Johnny Reb is going through a beautiful arc and I wish him well.
@Russian Waifu bad bot!
@Russian Waifu bot go away
OK, it's gone now.
I think the bots gone, but another dub for the boys
I have always found it pretty humorous that the South was pretty much the closest we ever had to a legitimized aristocracy.
@@daleludtke7803 Yeah that needs to be mentioned a lot more. The Confederate States of America had little usage for democracy.
A bit about the "tree-hugging Quakers" line: There's an argument to be made that American abolitionism started with 1 person, a fellow named John Woolman, who spent a lot of his life (in the early 1700's) traipsing around the Quaker communities of New England convincing them to stop trading in and owning slaves. His diary is very influential among Quakers today.
Woolman's home is now a retreat center, in Deerfield MA.
Jeez that man had a mission and saw it through. That's amazing actually
@@fuzzyhair321 I find it a truly inspiring story, the power of 1 person with an important idea and the courage and spare time to do something with it.
I think attributing the movement's origins to one person is a bit of a mistake.
I recently got my hands on a copy of Woolman’s journal and I’ve been eager to start reading it. He sounds like an extremely humane person.
Bushrod Johnson. A confederate general who was Quaker and along with his dad were abolitionist
Currently in VA and I can confirm that the state has reverted into a Mad Max-esque post-apocalyptic landscape... with great internet access. So not all bad 😁
I'm sadden NOVA was wiped out, they were a good tax base. I'm confused on how Charlottesville survived though.
@@Rob0Penguin I had moved right before NOVA was tanked, i still have family and friends that live there obviously, but it always feels so different and weird going back, like ten years have passed instead of like 2, and somehow i've tripped into an alternate virginia
I feel like most of non-city VA has kinda been frozen in time since the 90s. The most that's changed in my area is... well... the internet access. Never liked the city or lived close to any, but boy do I get jealous of it sometimes.
When I lived in southwest VA, it seemed like a mix of traditional rural southerners and old hippies. Lots of yarn/quilting shops. The college town that I was living in had changed since the 90s, but the rest of it? Probably not.
know what’s sad? this is a far more civil political discussion than what happens on the Internet and in person.
Well it is scripted.
Are the comments he used as arguments scripted tho?@@Moonlitwatersofaqua
@@fulcrum2951no what he means is that if someone already has an ideal about something then it’s next to impossible to change that ideal. If hypothetically a small set of people actually believe that the moon was made of cheese, even if you literally flew them to the moon and showed that it was a rock they would say otherwise
YEEESSSSSSSSSS! I've been waiting for nearly a year for this...my life is on hold for the next hour... with the exception of watching this video and eating popcorn.
Absolutely insane to me that this series managed to find its way to the one guy who both believes the Lost Cause myth and also knows enough about the left to know what an Anarcho Syndicalist is
As someone who's a hair's breadth away from being an Anarcho-Syndicalist, I can't describe the immense confusion and joy that moment gave me.
He could just play Kaiserreich.
That's not that surprising. I've met plenty of people who swap sides between far left and far right. Usually they're just out-of-touch goofballs who don't know anything about the real world, so they adopt extreme positions that seem like they make sense in theory. Left and right are just the flavor du jour for them.
@@connorcharette7132 a hoi4 player being a lost causer seem more likely
@@disappointedmess209 As a guy who plays HOI4 most players are wehraboos or tankies, wouldn’t surprise me if there are lost causers who play the game.
Mostly because you can declare the Confederate States of America if you turn Fascist as the US.
i like how people argue that the confederacy was about states rights inspite of the fact that it's very own constitution forbid states from banning slavery and also had no way to allow states to ceased from it.
Agreed, or how Longstreet himself stated the rebellion was about slavery and nothing else.
Or how they trampled on the North's rights when it came to fugitive slave laws
@@nicholasgonyea3833 He freely admitted that after the war. Then again, he might not have had the LC not made him a scapegoat for all of Lee's mistakes.
Good ol west Virginia didn't give a shit.
Palpatine: Ironic
I grew up a real nerd--had one of those booklets with the Constitution, Declaration, AND the flag code! So, years ago, I looked up the Confederate Constitution...it was basically a copypasta of the US Constitution--EXCEPT--the addition of slaves now and forever in every new state always. Not only did the Confederate Constitution not increase states' rights generally (at ALL), but it explicitly said "you HAVE to be a slave state!" Their own Constitution proves that the ONLY "state's right" they cared about was slavery.
“When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.”
Someone should tell George Troup that.
someone should tell all women that
When you start hearing people use the word "Equity" throw those people off a bridge, into a river and run far away.
@@Blox117 whatever you’re smoking, I want in
@@Blox117 Imagine thinking that it's the women that were the ones with "privilege" while also trying to curtail womens rights.
Seems that thou dost engage in projection
oop, i seem to have triggered some salty snowflake people
Imagine that, confederate rebels being fascist authoritarians all along. Really unexpected 😂
Who woulda thunk.
I didn't see it coming, but I'm not exactly shocked at the revelation. Who knew those who advanced notions of southern nobility were in favour of authoritarianism the whole time? I mean, it's right there in the words southern nobility! Kinda obvious in hindsight...
You don't even have a definition of facisism. It means to you dictatorship and authoritarian. Stop projecting that ill defined term were it doesn't belong
It's almost like believing that one group of people is innately superior to another is bad for society.
@@FlaviusConstantinus306 -- A society of rich slave-owners wanting to turn as much of the world into slaves as possible doesn't require any leaps of logic.
If they truly believed their social order was the best in the world and effectively undefeatable, then the idea that every society would come to be like theirs in time was perfectly rational. See the 1989 essay "the End of History" by Francis Fukuyama for a relatively contemporary example.
Thanks for making Checkmate, Lincolnites, Atun-Shei.
I took a mass media course this past semester, and my final paper covered this series and why it's amazing. Got a 90% on it.
NICE!!!!!!
I was watching The Birth of a Nation for school on 1.5 speed on RUclips because I really can't handle that shit on normal speed and I forogt to turn it back to normal and your Confederate character just started spitting random excuses at me at lightning speed and I'm so sleep deprived I thought I was gonna cry man. Great video.
Is it just me or does Johnny Rebel get smarter each episode?
My guess is that the series is going to end with him deciding that Billy Yank is correct.
@@ladnie9454 to be fair, this is likely the end of the series, and he kind of did.
@@kfizz21 No. Atun-Shei said there will be ten episodes total. This is eight. We are definitly building up to the series finale, but are not there yet.
I’m honestly glad that he was presented as being kinda horrified by the revelations as the sanitized revisionist history is peeled back to reveal the truth.
*Impossible*
Speaking of the Fugitive Slave Law(s) and also a small nullification crisis: one of my favorite, sadly obscure pieces of Wisconsin history is a case called Ableman v. Booth, which stemmed from an incident where a mob of abolitionists broke an escaped slave out of jail and sprinted him to Canada. The feds wanted to punish one of the abolitionists, and Wisconsin's Supreme Court essentially told the federal government to suck it, the abolitionist could be released. (And also that Wisconsin held the Fugitive Slave Law unconstitutional and refused to enforce it.) SCOTUS told them 'you can't do that' in the Ableman case ... and Wisconsin responded by refusing to file the decision when it reached them. We still haven't!
Oh that's just one of many conflicts over slavery that happened in the 1850s before the Civil War. Have you heard of the Christiana riot in Pennsylvania.
It's completely twisting the historical definition of "nullification" to apply the word to attempts to nullify provisions of the constitution itself as opposed to nullifying acts of the federal government that lack constitutional authority.
@@patrickcleburneuczjsxpmp9558 it’s not really that different.
As far as the state is concerned, in both cases, they are refusing to obey what they see as a federal overreach.
The tariffs of classic nullification were explicitly involving foreign trade - the exclusive domain of the federal government.
They were far more legitimate as an act of federal authority than the fugitive slave acts anyway.
Gigachad Wisconsin
Based Wisconsin moment
As a leftist, you being asked if you were an anarcho-syndicalist was fucking hilarious to me. People forget what is and isn’t jargon outside of leftist circles
An easy gateway into alienating folks from leftism, also.
ikr I wasn't really paying attention at the start and then out of nowhere I hear a term that I know has nothing to do with the video
They definitely got it from the peasant in Monty Python’s Holy Grail
@@ModernEphemera
"Help Help! I'm being repressed!"
You Leftist litteraly support wars all over the wrld, dont even talk about being the good guys.
Oh heck yeah let's gooooo
For such a well known channel in the history scene you are surprisingly far down.
@@ungusbungus2486 Probably because it's such a new comment
2:55 "Liberty loving Southerners" Johnny, you own people.
There's only one way that this conversation needs to go:
Conferederate: "The Civil War was about states' rights!"
Yankee: "States' rights to do what?"
Confederate: *angry face*
😂
To secede
@@Rmunkay Secede for what reason?
@Kauswe Kazilimani irrelevant. The reason for exercising a right doesn't change whether or not you have it. Otherwise it isn't a right, it's a privilege, bestowed upon you by the type of centralized government we already fought a revolution over. Slavery is terrible, doesn't change the right to secede.
@@Rmunkay they wanted to secede EXPLICITLY to do slavery
North Carolina (first to leave) left because they believed (wrongly) that Lincoln would take away slaves. Lincoln was elected under the abolishment of slavery in NEW states, but the states that had slavery were allowed to keep slavery
I was super excited to see this new episode, and then I ascended to the next plain of joy when I saw how long it was
Facts
I know how you feel
Likewise 😍
As a Brazilian I am always amazed to see a reference to the Confederate runaways in southern Brazil. One of many dark marks in our history and also one of its most unknown.
I am also Brazilian, I hope he covers our history sometime hopefully my ancestor Floriano Pexioto the Iron Marshall.
@@rogerkeleshian2215 I'd like that as well. Peixoto was a monster, but an interesting monster.
I love this webseries and was glad and surprised Campinas and São Paulo being mentioned. Confederates who fled to Brasil founded Americana City at that State, the richer in our country.
@Kraus von Grat Emperor Dom Pedro did gave shelter for those fled confederates. He was also an admirer of Lincoln and went to the US duriing Grant's presidency.
Oh I heard of those guys. "Confederados". After the war, Confederates were invited to build and create farms in Brazil. Problem was the climate and ecology in Brazil was not suited to grow their crops. Anyway a lot of their descendants now get together once per year dressed as Confederate officers with antebellum era music, dancing, and food.
This was so good that watched it sitting on my bed wrapped in a towel. I got out of the shower and saw the notification, so I clicked on it, thinking I would watch a couple minutes. I just kept thinking, “OK, maybe just a couple more minutes….” Here I am almost an hour later still in a towel - I was completely captivated. Thank you.
Relatable-I was on the toilet, now both feet are numb 😂
@@warlordofbritannia
Oh, that’s hilarious!
Can't really fault Johnny Reb for barely remembering the events of episode 1. Billy Yank did shoot and kill him at the end, after all.
Maybe it really was some other confederate officer
@@hithedragon7842 Nah, same person. However, in the lore, the maker of Atun-Shei films is the one who shoots him in the first video, while Billy Yank shows up next episode.
Now I gotta believe that Lee losing those cigars with his battle plans around them was, in fact, the doing of Thomas Jefferson's ghost. He heard that theocratic quote when it was originally spoken in 1861 and said, "In a pig's eye," before sitting up in his grave and waiting to strike.
And who knows, maybe Jefferson’s ghost realizes the errors of his ways. Granted it’s funny how states rights for many was just a utilitarian motive. I’m kind of reminded of modern libertarians. Yes, some are actually principled and practice what they preach, but much like these southerners wanting a theocratic empire, a lot of libertarians just want to be able to do what they want but stop others from infringing on that and will gladly throw out Liberty when others they don’t like get it.
@@TheBrunohusker
Don't know what kind of libertarians you've been watching or hanging out with, but the vast majority of the ones I can think of basically want 3 things:
1) Less activism in the criminal justice system, especially with regard to judges and prosecutors.
2) Less government interference in the economy, especially on a federal level.
3) Less unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy in what government is left after the first two are addressed.
"No step on snek" doesn't just apply to the state when it's evoked, you know?
@@1krani 1. Define "activism" in that context
2. Regulations keep lead out of paint and asbestos out of houses
3. Agree
@@janefkrbtt
1. Putting one's own personal beliefs above interpretation of the law as defined by the Constitution. We saw this in the Bill Cosby conviction before the Pennsylvania Supreme Court not only overturned it, but barred Cosby from ever again being prosecuted on any of the testimonies given. That trial was the very definition of a kangaroo court. We also saw it in the recently recalled San Francisco DA who flat out refused to prosecute people caught for committing crimes, not because he lacked evidence to convict (as the Philly PA did when Cosby's case was dropped on his desk in 2005), but because he ideologically believed things like larceny or assault were not crimes. Funny about that, given that both his parents were sent to the klink for murdering cops during a bank robbery in the 1980s.
2. They also stop little girls from operating lemonade stands without a business license. No, really, that actually happened in Richmond, VA. I think it speaks volumes of how twisted the thinking on economics has become that I say "interference" and you interpret that to mean "regulation". Regulation is setting rules of what you can or can't do. Interference is setting rules for what you MUST do, with no alternatives allowed.
@@1krani if a law is bad it shouldn't have to be followed
Sorry to the little girl that pissed off the wrong cop too read up on his technicalities. But regulations is telling people how to operate. And that must be the norm. Else cut corners kill people.
Im not an American but I love this series and learning about history, as some others have said when I knew nothing about the Civil War i thought it was about slavery, then learning a bit more I thought it was more complex and involved states rights, then finally learning more and going "yeah it was really pretty much all about slavery"
Tell me which of the following things happened:
1. The South wanted to continue practicing slavery and wanted independence and self-government. The North said we recognize your right to independence and self-government but not your right to continue practicing slavery. And then the North and South fought over the disputed right, the right of the South to continue practicing slavery. And no precedent was set for denying the right of states to declare independence and self-government.
2. The South wanted to continue practicing slavery and wanted independence and self-government. The North said we recognize your right to continue practicing slavery but not your right to independence and self-government. And then the North and South fought over the disputed right, the right of the South to independence and self-government. And the precedent was set for denying the right of states to declare independence and self-government regardless of anything to do with slavery.
The Supremacy Clause, described by my high school American History teacher as the perfect answer to the claim that the Southern states had a legal (or at least constitutional) right to secede.
Not just that, but the fact that where was no process to dissolve the states is evident that there was never actually an intention for it to ever be dissolved in the future.
They thought slavery would be abolished, or will “fade away”, but they didn’t intend on the states just leaving whenever they want. If that was the case, they’d clearly add an amendment for that
Pfft. New England tried to secede once.
@@jeffreygao3956 difference is:
1: New England didn't actually do it
2: New England wanted to secede because the US had gotten them into *A WAR WITH THE STRONGEST NATION ON EARTH AT THE TIME* which they were getting their butt kicked in instead of the outcome of 1 Election
@@jeffreygao3956 A small number of federalists tried to instigate a coup. That does not make it legal. In fact, the obvious illegality of it at the time, as it was so considered by nearly everyone, further proves the point.
@@jeffreygao3956 and?
Wow it’s been 3 years already? so… if there’s another installment of the series in the next year, that means Checkmate Lincolnites would have lasted more than the confederacy?
I think human rights is a bigger issue than states rights
congratulations, you're on the winning side of this issue
rhymes with "bigger rights"
@@QuantemDeconstructor As they should be.
You can replace states rights with federal rights it will still make sense.
That ending was amazing! Netflix needs to give you your own show so they can cancel it after a successful first season
Hey, at least you’re being honest here lol
I wonder what success means to Netflix......
@@homerocketscience1874large face entrance
As someone who grew up in the Deep South and was indoctrinated into Lost Cause mythology from the first time I went to Stone Mountain as a kid, it’s been both entertaining and fascinating to watch this series. I had woken up to the truth of the matter before I discovered your channel, but this has been an educational roller coaster to watch. Excellent work as always!
Please talk to your family and childhood friends about what you’ve learned. I turned my very right-wing, very racist Evangelical mother into a communist within 6 months just by asking questions and not letting her get away with “alternative facts.”
@@justinwatson1510 ngl that is very funny if true.
At least you know the truth OP
Most of my friends never really bought into any of it to begin with, and though my mom disagrees with me a lot she and I have a pretty good dialogue about politics. My dad is the only one I feel like I can’t talk to about these things.
This is also fascinating for those of us who grew up outside the South. I grew up about as far away from the South as you can get in the continental US and then didn’t study history in university. I didn’t learn about the Lost Cause until I found this channel and it is a constant source of surprise, but I really appreciate learning about these ideologies that shape life in America to this day.
I laughed out loud at several points but most at:
"I would have been an abolitionist back then."
"Shut up."
My grandfather told my mother he would have been a nice slave master to his slaves. So that type of rhetoric makes sense.
@@waroftherebellion. pretty sure a "nice slave master" wouldn't be a slave master. Cuz it's kinda hard to be nice while denying people their rights
@@catnerdadrian7601 well, for one you could not whip (that's how you write it, right?) them nor burn their backs with hot irok to mark them as your property, in the same way that you would a cow
@@catnerdadrian7601 No one said he was smart and I don't talk to him.
@@catnerdadrian7601 Perhaps someone who was given a slave as a gift from a family member, waited for a while, so as not to offend said family member, and then freed the slave would qualify as "nice". Grant was that kind of guy. Hard to think of any other example of a "nice slave master" that wouldn't be an oxymoron.
Arun Shei, if there are more quotes about confederate autocracy, theocracy and monarchy, I’d love if you’d list them somewhere.
Seeing prominent confederates rejecting democracy and republicanism in favour of authoritarianism is scary and interesting. I’d love to see more quotes from other prominent confederates particularly J.Davis and S.Jackson since they’re the more well known ones
I highly recommend Innuendo Studios "Origins of Conservatism" video.
To;dw is the thing "Conservatism" was _designed_ to preserve from day 1 is feudal heirarchies.
It's neofeudalism replacing the "divine right of kings" with worship of the "free market" to preserve the old institutions after their old excuses stopped being persuasive.
Do you want Virginia to blow up again?
Some very clear parallels with current events.
@@alun7006 the only significant new idea they've come up with in centuries is fascism. It's largely the same playbook they've been using for _thousands_ of years.
@@dynamicworlds1 true enough. I was thinking particularly of the noises coming out of parts of the American right very recently.
"I am pained and astonished how many are now willing to glide unhesitatingly into a dictatorship."
Some things never change...
As true now as it was in pre-Empire Rome.
You are right, I am always saying we have to stop the Democrats before that happens.
Indeed, and the pointing out of those who wish unbridled freedom upon the privileged (at the expense of their governed subjects) shows how hollow and hypocritical the cries of "FREEDOM!" are from those who would advance authoritarianism in the modern day. Again, how little has changed...
@@DrTssha
Uh, which cries of freedom are you referring to? Because 90% of the ones I've heard can be summed up with the phrase, "Less power to the state, please."
Yup, also the planned Coup
I've watched this several times, but I just now caught that as Billy mentions the confeds becoming a global slave empire, Klaus's theme starts playing
I absolutely adore the genuine concern in Reb's voice when he asked if Billy was an anarcho-syndicalist
You see, he loves the CSA, but not THAT CSA.
@@squidythe3rd927kaiserreich reference!
@@pivomanslovenskoHe just like me fr fr
@@Ma_Zhongying Combined Syndicates of America patriots rise up
The credits scene was unironically one of the most brilliant, best acted, most gripping pieces of cinema I have ever watched.
That can't possibly be true, but thanks anyway
@@AtunSheiFilms I’m fresh off of rewatching the Channel Awesome movies. I appreciate well-made cinematic RUclips stuff even more now.
@@AtunSheiFilms Well, I won't pretend my cinematic culture is very extensive or qualitative, but seriously, amazing job on the acting and direction.
@@AtunSheiFilms honestly it had me gripped, who will be the patriotic American?
50s man? His partner? Both? Neither? Will you shatter expectations and make it the man who killed himself over soi meaning the Nazi played 8d chess?
I feel like the people who say the civil was about state rights, are the same people that would say that WW2 was about the protection of the German people.
WWII didn't start with Poland (or anyone else) trying to conquer Germany any more than The War of Northern Aggression started (or was about) the South trying to conquer the North.
Just gonna generalise people huh
@@patrickcleburneuczjsxpmp9558 bruh
@@TheyWillKnowAnother ye
@@Me-yq1fl "thought someone was going to free the people they held in chains."
Does your defense of forcing government on peoples against their will (what the founding fathers often referred to as slavery, and it is indeed a form of slavery) depend on historically baseless myths like that? Yes, it does.
This is an incredible piece of cinema. The socratic dialogue flows so smoothly it’s easy to watch. The humour is great, and both characters are enjoyable despite one being a southern apologist and the other delivering very long and detailed historical commentary. Neither of those are what I would describe as pleasing character traits.
And the last scene was the true icing on the cake. The camerawork, lighting and sound design build such an atmosphere it made the absurd concept feel real and serious. Both roles were acted well, even if I can’t comment on the accents. The dialogue managed to communicate the batshit insane narrative perfectly smoothly.
When you hear politicians use rhetoric about states rights, religious rights, business rights it’s almost always institutional rights over individual rights.
The way Atun-Shei has done this series really is the epitome of how history can be both entertaining to learn and allows for a deep dive into the discussions we need to have as a nation regarding the parts of our history that make many uncomfortable. I'd love to see him tackle the Mexican American War and the Texas Revolt. Could totally see him doing a joint project with the writers of "Forget the Alamo".
You can't mean the alternate history story where a modern man wakes up as William B Travis? :D :D :D
@@breakingboardrooms1778 Well at least the modern person trapped in his body hopefully wouldn't keep taking mercury for treating Travis's vd. The quantum leap episode we always needed.
Johnny Reb: Are you an anarcho-syndicalist?
Me: Help! Help! I’m being repressed! Now you can see the violence inherent in the system!
Insert HOI4 joke here.
*Cackles in Syndicalist America Timeline*
Seems a bit oxymoronic.
Bloody peasant!
I understood that reference.
It was absolutely about states rights. Their right to use people as farm equipment.
As if Republicans led the North to war to deny the slave states that right??? Nice myth if you want to try to justify denying self-determination to other people.
@@patrickcleburneuczjsxpmp9558you must be an idiot to even bring up self-determination in this context, the slaves had no such right, it was deprived them by the southern state governments with the aid of their citizens
@@garlonschuman1014 And neither did slaves (and lots of other Americans) in 1776? What's your point?
it was about states rights and 'free' people! (wink)
Hey, that's not fair. They used them as farm animals.
Not gonna lie, I thought Episode 7 was the finale of Checkmate, Lincolnites, but I am very happy to see more. Atun-Shei films is what edu-tainment should be: entertaining, but keeping straight to the facts when facts are concerned. And with sources too!
We are need to always respond, "A state's right to what?" Certainly not a state's right to control their own constabulary.
Glad you talked about the Early Republic period and Shays’s Rebellion (an academic passion of mine and my original dissertation focus). Great to have you and the series back!
That was mentioned in Zinns peoples history of United States I believe?? I could be wrong but I think That’s where I first heard of that rebellion and I had never heard about it before that.
@@Baelor-Breakspear I have not read Zinn’s “A People’s History of the U.S.” but knowing Zinn’s methodology, I believe he does. I knew about Shays’s Rebellion (also known as, and probably more accurately known as, the Massachusetts Regulation, since he wasn’t the sole leader) for several years before I went to college. Plenty of good materials on the rebellion: David Szatmary, Leonard Richards, Sean Condon, Robert Gross. Highly recommend all these authors and their works.
I have moved more towards military intelligence, but SR is going to be my next project once the dissertation is completed.
@sword-swinging cat I’m from the Worcester area (a transplant as I am NYer by birth), so I didn’t know about the Worcester Revolution in 1774 until my college years. Skipping forward to SR, Benjamin Lincoln got to Worcester to meet the rest of the militia that was supposed to be raised, but didn’t get many volunteers and continued westward. But Gen. Shepard took care of things (even without federal permission to use the arsenal’s weapons). Lincoln did clean up everything though.
Your theatre experience shines through all of your content on this channel.
95% of 'characters' that RUclipsrs do I fast-forward through, but you keep me planted for an hour watching this. Kudos man, that's some good shit. I frequently quote/imitate the confederate guy when shooting the shit with my friends.
Loved that little call back to the "reorganization" of the old republic into the galactic empire from SW, it's often those little things on top of the educational content that I love about this channel.
X2 epic moment
That's was a brilliant moment
There also seemed to be a "few" references to the current political climate, intentional or not...
@@futurestoryteller "intentional or not"? did you think he accidentally put joe biden into the video lol
@@ByzantineDarkwraith Oh yeah... you got me pegged, that was definitely the part I was talking about...
The phrase “tyranticle overreaching federal gobment” rings through my head on a daily basis, but I can never remember which of these its from
I am argentinian, living in Argentina. The fact that your video can keep me entertained and learning so much is a testimony to the quality of your teaching.
Fellow south american here. Atun-shei's videos inspired me to produce a video on the same style about the Paraguayan War
@@joaopintomolegameplays3835 Go for it!
I'm constantly impressed by the fact you can make scenes that look like multiple people in 1 room with just yourself
God I love this series. I find myself manufacturing reasons to shout "Checkmate Lincolnites" to my northern friends and family. They, of course, lack the cultured intellectual curiosity necessary to even be familiar with a show of this caliber, due to their unfortunate Yankee ancestry, so the punchline goes over their head
@@senorspook6279 no shit
@@senorspook6279 only a Grant-lovin' Northerner would be unable to recognize such obvious satire
What punchline?
I'm confused are you a yank or a reb
I prefer the more communistic phrasing of calling them Lincolnistas.
The weird retconning that the Civil War was about "States Rights" when the Confederacy has all the same state's rights as the US except one: states were prohibited from banning slavery.
In before the corwin amendment
> states were prohibited from banning slavery.
That may be a nice myth if you're looking for excuses for rejecting the consent of the governed as the basis of just government, but it's a complete lie: the Confederate constitution did no such thing. Do you have any arguments that aren't based on clearly disprovable lies?
You are on this council, we grant you the rank of master.
Anakin:" This awesome! It's fair!"
That Revenge of the Sith reference was truly incredible. In all serious though, the similarities that Palpatine's plan has to real life events is eeiry. That is what makes him one of, if not the greatest villain in cinematic history.
Too bad that George Lucas instead wanted to focus of his own fantasies of Jar Jar Binks saving the universe.
@@smygskytt1712 what?? jar jar was supposed to be the sith yoda equivalent, but lucus bitched out after the 1st movie due to mad fans about binks, probably from people like you.
@@smygskytt1712 How to tell us all you don't know nor care about what you're talking about without explicitly saying to.
Every word you said was wrong.
@@azariyelvarro6271 I thought it was a joke?
Sudius and the empire was based on very real world ideology that hasn't yet died
I want a Star Wars version of this for some reason with a clone trooper and a battle droid discussing the Clone Wars, idk why
"The Confederacy of Independent Systems was doomed from the start, and we held on for so long thanks to our brilliant commander, General Grievous."
"On the battlefield, Grievous was a brutal pragmatist capable of using his superior numbers effectively, sure, but he wasn't very creative. On the whole, he didn't really stand much of a chance against any Jedi General worth his or her salt."
"Nitpicks, I say."
"And I want to address the 'doomed from the start' sentiment. You do remember the CIS had the blatant support from just about every major commercial and technological body in the Galaxy, right? You certainly had a chance at upholding independence strictly on the grounds of finance, but the insistence on mass produced, flimsy droids on battlefields where quality beats quantity isn't a sound strategic move."
"But quantity has a quality of its own."
"Tell that to the five clones and Jedi Master Yoda, who thwarted an entire droid army and got the neutral Toydarians on the Republic's side."
@@alexross1816 "[Grievous] didn't stand a chance against any Jedi General worth his or her salt."
Tell that to the ones at the Battle of Hypori.
Imperial Stormtrooper and a Rebel Trooper discussing the Galactic Civil War for me ! OT all day : )
@@LordVader1094 Legends Grievous was a nightmare.
@@alexross1816 You do realize General Grievous was infamous for collecting the lightsabers of dead Jedi right? Character assassination that I've heard about in TCW aside, he DID kill several Jedi in either canon.
And yeah, the CIS was doomed from the start. Support or no support, the war was a ploy in the first place lol. The CIS was never meant to win.
Just discovering this channel. Good stuff! I love the neutrality and objectivity, especially as a Black pastor, theologian, and church historian. As we would say in our neck of the woods, you call a “spade a spade.”
Huzzah!!! They’re back! I’m also excited to show my American Pluralism students the Witchfinder General this semester when discussing the New England Puritans.
I love how any one of these videos can be watched and taken on their own but if you watch them as a series you get to see the subtle character development and continuity between videos
Klaus's theme kicking in in the Confederate Autocracy section was a hidden gem.
I just googled that, this guy has an original soundtrack?! Wow!
What is the time stamp? I am looking for it in the video
The one lore bit about these two that I like is despite the impassioned debates that they still call each other good friends out loud
Yes the state rights to own other human beings as property.
Isn't that just the U.S prison system?
@@thegamingkaiser2874 the 13th Amendment had a fine print clause that says that you're still enslaved if you're a prisoner. So after the Civil War the South passed a bunch of laws making it basically illegal to be black. Every Southern state had their version of the infamous pig laws. Where you could be sentenced to 10 years on a chain gang for stealing a pig that's worth less than a dollar. Also that's where a lot of your loitering laws came into play. Where they could did literally kidnap black people who didn't even commit a crime and force them to work on plantation prison farms.
The state’s right to allow sufficiently wealthy people to own other human beings as personal property. The state still kind of owns people.
@@thegamingkaiser2874 Trying to compare literal forced slavery manual labor from men and women who were born into slavery without any possible form of crime to a literal prison where actual criminals reside is kinda absurd.
Because false conviction never happens and all laws are fair of course
I love how you can hear Klaus's theme slowly replace the "1861 Overture" the more the discussion shifted towards authoritarianism in the South.
I swear. I legit can’t tell whether you are twins or are actually just that good at acting and a god tier editor
There's only one of him, he's just that good.
He clones himself.
I like how we've gone from "Oh yes (I did own slaves)" to "I would have definitely been an abolitionist if I had been alive back then!" when it comes to Johnny and slavery
It was a jab at modern people thinking that they would be "on the right side" if they had been born in the past.
I as a native, appreciated it when, "Im sure they offered up many thoughts and prayers."....
I love how they both called you an anarchist and a government lover. The irony is palpable.
I was so thrilled to see a new episode. That part of Jefferson rolling in grave had me in stitches! I live in the south and I have heard folks talking about said myth. It's way more complicated than to simply just state War of Northern Aggression. Neither side was angelic at best. I wrote my thesis on some of this for my History Degree. Great episode!
Love your films a ton! You bring good comedy and knowledge in a way that makes a 50 minute RUclips film feel short.
Heyyy
Any particular reason why you decided on the V-2 as your namesake?
Windows 8 lasted longer than the confederacy
Dude the comedy alone is gold, but having the editing, production AND history down perfectly? It's so good.
I never thought I’d be this happy to see this show return
As a rent-a-cop at an airport, I find this episode hilarious.
Government is a hell of a drug. Try it once and the next thing you know, you're being arrested for eating the drywall at Home Depot.
We've all been there before! 😂
That sounds like meth or bath salts.
I was only eating the cheapest drywall, what was the big deal!