The Gospels Are History Not Myth
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- Опубликовано: 18 фев 2019
- Sometimes complicated issues can be made very simple. Here are some good reasons to think the Gospels are the preserved testimony of eye-witnesses from the 1st century. We will talk about the early second century writings of Papias, the introduction to the gospel of Luke, the riddle of names in the gospels and the issue of genre. All these elements are like arrows pointing to one big fact; the gospels contain the record of eye-witness testimony and attempts to treat them as though they are a hodgepodge of rumor which are far removed from the original sources simply fail.
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Just got home from a Bible study with a guest theologian that was saying all the things that you just debunked. Thank you SO much for your timely live stream. God is good. He protects his sheep!
Awesome!
Yeah that is pretty cool. My uncle teaches Greek and Hebrew online and I'm going to learn Greek at some point from him! Why do all the skeptics and scoffers say that the Bible has been translated multiple times when Greek to English is one time? Haha crazy! any other language from Greek to whatever just strengthens the translations because they share the same meaning. Reality debunks these false claims.
Mike Winger I need your help!! While doing my studies I stumbled across a website about contradictions in the Bible..it’s making my head SPIN! I keep searching and end up without explanations. I feel completely swamped because of this. The man’s name is Dr. Steven DiMattei and He is seriously testing my faith. PLEASE HELP ME. He has a website and a RUclips channel. I’ve only been on his website.
First Day TV they love to stir up doubt....however the Truth always prevails with proper research. hang in there my friend. Just hang on to Jesus! :)
i was an atheist in my youth so i understand unbelief however when things are examined in their proper context things become so much clearer.
there are lots of former Atheists and skeptics that have good material to help believers stay strong in the faith with good solid answers to questions and arguments of skeptics.
Former atheist Lee Strobel also has a number of good books out as well as clips on youtube.
ive never heard of the guy you mention...ill check him out.
First Day TV i just checked him out briefly.....same tired old stuff......he tried to say that genesis chapter two contradicts chapter one lol
man i remembef hearing that nonsense in high school back in the 80's during the Bible as literature class. lol
i wouldnt pay too much attention to this guy.....they are spiritually blinded my friend and just dont understand the Bible even as literature....they draw conclusions that just arent there. They dont understand the differdnt genres of liturature or literary techniques used in scripture nor do they understand about Bible manuscrpts or how translations work.
Even Bart who is a scholar (unlike most skeptics who just releat what some other skeptic said) when pressed...admits that the bible says pretty much what was originally written. but you know...books sell.
Fight the good fighg of faith my friend! :)
I love how joyfully you build up the Gospel from multiple angles while refuting arguments against it with no malice. I appreciate you and your work here. Many blessings to you.
that is what academics is supposed to be....but usually isnt....
Yeah, hes good at make-believe, most theists are. Their whole worldview is made up.
Thank you! I honestly felt like my faith was done for a second because I listened to Bart Ehrman and he presented “contradictions” in the Bible, and my original thought was that Christianity had met its match and that there can’t possibly be an explanation for these things, but I was wrong in thinking that. Pray for me to continue to research and have the inherency of scripture be a guiding factor of my faith and a foundation that God would continue to strengthen!
Been there, man. Prayers are going out for you, that you'll be fortified while you pursue greater understanding and wisdom. Don't get discouraged
I feel as if a Muslim could be the same way. “Don’t listen to that Christian guy. He isn’t coming at the holy Quran in faith. You have to come at it in faith to understand it’s divinity.”
@@keatsiannightingale2025 NOTHING.... absolutely NOTHING in the Koran of Mohammed that requires me to have a shred of faith to believe that they are all FAKED and NOTHING in it is Yahweh-breathed or spoken of by the true Christian Elohim called YAHWEH (YHWH)!!! HalleluYAH 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Bart Ehrman is a very successful knucklehead.
One of the problems with inerrancy of scripture isn't that it isn't inerrant, it's that there's no way we will totally and completely understand and comprehend all it says. When you go too far (like I think maybe Chuck Missler did) you start coming up with some errant stuff. Theories that really are not found in Scripture. Like an entire theology about the "church" that can't be supported in scripture. Even to the point where one of the main teachers start saying things like a particular teaching is a secret not found in scripture.
It's easy not to just stick with what we do understand the scripture is saying. Especially a problem for people that delve in great detail like Bible scholars like Missler and Dr. Michael Brown (I think). I think both of these individuals are great Bible teachers but I think they have some "interesting" theories or ideas. All to say it's easy to go too far.
It's so funny. Right after I got saved, after converting from being an atheist, I read Bart Ehrman's book, "Jesus, Interrupted," and it actually had the effect of strengthening my faith. I can't remember what it was exactly, since it's been like 12 years, but I'm fairly certain it had something to do with Bart being forced to acknowledge the powerful evidence for the resurrection of Jesus. He did raise a few concerning questions, but his book mostly came across as being hyper-critical and nitpicky. The intellectual arrogance to rewrite, or reinterpret, historical documents struck me as being quite absurd. After all these years, I've been more than abundantly satisfied with all the historical evidence I've seen for the New Testament. By far the greatest evidence is having a relationship with God, and experiencing the work of the Holy Spirit in my life. By the grace and power of God, I'm at a place in my life where my faith and trust in God is unshakeable, and it only grows stronger every day. Thanks for the reminders, Pastor Mike. My heart is just bursting with love for you and your teaching. God bless you.
For believers, Ehrman's message perhaps has a different effect than he intends? It's also with great joy I can affirm that Yeshua has continually blessed my life!
I’m going through some bad stuff in my life. I just got layed off from my job and am feeling defeated. I know Jesus, and I know everything is going to be alright
Brenden Brooks I will be praying for you! Give it to God!
Dude, honestly, every time this has happened to me, (several times), God was lining up something better. That doesn't always mean more money, but sometimes more job satisfaction, or more family time, ect. It's hard when you're going through it, but trust Him. He's taking care of you!
Wow same here bro I feel for at least felt the same way I'm 25 and got layed off close to a month ago but I want to give you some encouragement. Keep going and to not stop living for God keep going to church keep fellowshiping keep doing Gods work whatever you were doing keep doing it and more. I was layed off almost over month and the day I did I went to enroll for unemployment I didn't know what to do but look for a job and I was worried of course but that same day within an hour God had lined up 2 jobs not great paying jobs but jobs and I'm doing more work for the kingdom of God he opened up a door to be assistant youth director which I said yes to him to because i know and have felt the calling for a long time and I'm helping direct as lead worship drummer which I just got approved to play for the worship team. So what I'm saying bro is just say yes to the kingdom of God and God himself will take care of you!!! I know your not done bro so please have the peace beyond understanding as the word says, even when everything just doesn't seem to make sense have that peace as the lord promises and know that HE is in the midst of this storm as he is with me in my storm love you brother and you can do this with his help. GOD BLESS
There is a reason for everything.
That's right man keep with God and I'll be praying for you man.
I watched this stream in 2019 . I have watched this video many times , and here I am in 2023 and still watching it . I say this because you said " thanks to those who have stayed this long " . Pastor Mike , if a stream or a video you do is 6 straight hours , I'll still be with you . Your teaching is so throughly done , one needs to review multiple times , as there is so much to learn , I come back again and again to dig it all out . I've been following your teachings for I think 7 years now . I do not remember any video you have posted that I wouldn't watch over & over .. To me , you are right up there with J Vernon McGee in the ability to communicate to us in a way that leaves us hungry for more . Thank you Mike Winger
Love that moment ... "Bart Erhman you're done. Stop!" 😂🖖
Bart Erhman is wrong
and Mike Winger is right because ...
I decided.
If Bart Ehrman is the "best" sceptic and this is the best argument he can give, then this strengthens my faith, not weakens it
Bart is not using critical thinking skills. the "telephone" analogy is not at all legitimately applicable.
Best two sentences!
@@JamesRichardWiley because… I decided based on objective truth.
Hi Mike, I like the fact that you actually base your answers on the Bible and historical evidence to support your claims and to refute your opposition's claims in a clear, coherent and easy to understand way and not based on theories based on assumptions & deceptions. I look forward to more your videos, they have added biblical insight into my own search for the truth.
My favorite story is where a perfect Yahweh bungles his creation and has to start over.
@@JamesRichardWiley Or when he ends up killing so many of his own people that he figures he might as well take another approach to spreading his message.
@@JamesRichardWiley bungled his creation? When did that happen
Mike, here's a thought about how the writers knew things like Jesus and Pilate, or the garden prayers, ect. Maybe Jesus told them. He spent time with the deciples after His resurrection. I find it entirely possible that these accounts come from Jesus Himself.
Would Pilate have shared that conversation with his wife? She was very distressed about the arrest of Jesus and had a bad dream about him that night, sending a message to warn her husband.
That is very possible. I also believe about the garden prayer what we know buy scripture is that there were disciples there and yes I points they fell asleep but it doesn't say they were asleep the whole time. To me I don't think this was a very quiet prayer you read the desperation in the prayer and we all know when we pray to God desperately it's not quiet. Jesus scripture tells us a sweating blood so he's in deep distress I don't believe it was death or the scourging he was upset about I believe it was taking the world sins upon him. He knew when he did that he would be separated from God only momentarily but still separated and there was a desperation in him this also tells us it wasn't a quiet prayer. Scripture also teaches us that Jesus went off by himself a lots of pray but this time when he comes back to the disciples that were nearby he's upset with them this also leads me to believe they had to be able to hear what he was praying because to me without that as often as he went off by himself to pray there is no reason for him to be upset with the disciples who were nearby. I look at it like this if it's my closest friends that I called out there with me and I go a little ways away from them but they can hear My Cries and my desperation and my pain and I come back and they're sleeping after I asked him to pray with me I'm going to be a little upset and after all Jesus was just like us so I believe those disciples did hear the words Jesus was speaking. I love both the ideas of how we know what was said to Pontius Pilate I love the idea that Jesus came back and he told the people he was walking with and I love even more at one of the guards got faith and he went out and told the people what he had heard . its great mind tiklers
Sounds exactly like a mixture of fact and fiction to me.
I'm sticking with the reality I have lived in for 70 years.
That does make sense and given the fact that in the prologue to the book of acts Luke talks about Jesus proving he was alive and given the apostles a command to not leave Jerusalem until the holy sprit comes(40 days) interesting that Luke states that they were all assembled as one so they all hypothetically could’ve share their stories with each other that’s how we get the garden prayer and other interesting stories like Peters denial of Christ and Nathaniels story of when Jesus found him behind the fig tree
Not likely. The gospel writers never met Jesus.
It irritates me so much when people of the Bible are “characters”. They are real people that did real things, so I really enjoyed this video. Thank you for another well informing and thought out video, brother! 😊
Jesus likely didn't exist (See Dr. Richard Carrier's peer reviewed academic book, "On the Historicity of Jesus," to have your socks knocked off a bit). And, if Jesus DID exist, his life became so steeped in myth that untangling the facts from the fanciful fairytale-like embellishments is a fool's errand at this point. Christianity is a Jewish version of the VERY common "Mystery" religions of the time. Dying/rising godmen were NOTHING uncommon at the time of Jesus. Paul (the earliest writer in the New Testament) says he received his "Gospel" from "revelation" and "scriptures" and not from any man; a bit FISHY, I'd say, eh? Paul NEVER mentions Jesus's supposed earthly ministry nor does Paul ever allude to a single parable, etc., of Jesus's. Verrrry odd. But, that's because Paul believed in a celestial Jesus, not the Jesus of the much later written Gospels (the anonymous "Mark" actually borrowed from Paul in places to write his Gospel).
Additionally, Mark (the earliest of the Gospels) was the blueprint for the other 3 Gospels which each borrowed, extrapolated, redacted and increasingly embellished Mark, in order to create their own version, emphasizing their own ideas....plus, EVERY Gospel was anonymous, which is a tad FISHY, right? 🤔 Christianity is very obviously a myth. When people keep their head in the Christian echo chamber, then Christianity seems normal/reasonable. But, if you step outside of the Bible for a few moments, you realize the absurdities. The "Truth" is far more beautiful than Christianity, though. "God" is actually Primal Consciousness. Reality is within the nondualistic Mind of God (The One Consciousness). We are like thoughts of God... intimately connected. Idealism is where the TRUTH leads. Check out Dr. Bernardo Kastrup's writings, particularly, "Why Materialism is Bologna."
They are though. There's barely any proof that the Bible has any historical truth to it.
Except for the fact the Church just made up the names Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and no one knows the real names of the authors.
@@jerrylong6238 precisely!
@@mikel6090 Did you watch the video? There is enormous proof! Exceptional proof!
I loved this live stream so much, tears of joy! I am such a Mike Winger fan girl! I can’t get enough of your videos. They’ve brought me so much closer to God and have stronger Faith. I appreciate it more than I can say! Thank you!
God is closer to you than you are to yourself
and always has been.
I'm with you there, girl!! total fangirl as well!!! Praise God!!!!!
"Why were some people mentioned by name in the scriptures and others not? Because the ones mentioned were still alive to verify." - Mind-blown!
And why did the Church just make up the names Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John? Because they had no fricken idea who the real authors were, because the gospels were not signed. MIND BLOWN.
This content is still so valuable years later, thanks Mike!
Amen to that!
Yep, revisiting 4 years later! I hope to soon do my own research and remember these things well... instead or revisiting in another 4 years 😅
When I was a kid there was no question for me that God not only existed but, how to put this, He's THERE. I always felt Him there and I knew Him, I knew things about Him as in His personality and His heart that I could not have learned from my freshly baked into the faith parents. I knew Him as a person. ANYWHO... On a few accounts I quite clearly felt Him speak to me. One of those times was when I for the very first time asked God something along the lines of "Can I trust the bible?" or "How can I know I can trust the bible?" or "Should I even trust the bible, why tho?" and I just felt Him say something like "just do for now, don't worry". So I just did. :D It was more feelings than words but God basically told me "it IS true, don't worry about it though just trust it for now" hahaha. But I love how after some time I started comming across proofs and arguments for trusting the bible, maybe when I was older and maturer and could look at those in a different way, idk. I just thought I'd share thus cause it's cool, to me at least. :D
What is the difference between your brain's activity (the internal dialogue) and Yahweh's talking to you?
You're s blessing.
@@JamesRichardWiley Sometimes my own head's voice comes very close to sounding and feeling like God's, especially if I ask a question and hope for an answer, and I guess it's the product of my mind just automatically thinking about an answer or thinking about what God would answer, but it happens very fast and automatically. However I just sorta know it came from me, I can trace back that one twentieth of a second in which my brain came up with it and I can tell my brain came up with it. Sometimes it is hard to tell, but it's doable. When God speaks it sounds like just my own thought except I just know it's not mine.
I wouldn't dare to be 100% sure about it so I test it in different ways to be as sure as I can be.
Do they think they can actually vote on what Jesus said at the Jesus seminar? They are gonna be in so much trouble unless they repent.l
56:30 I'm so happy! Thank you very much Pastor Mike for answering my question! That was a very satisfying answer that helps me with worry about the mentally handicapped. All your videos have helped me so much as a new Christian and I wish I could say I'm your biggest fan but I know you have so many already! You're the best! Thank you again!
This video has changed my life. Pragmatic advice with profound results. Thank you for your hard work!
Jesus made provisions for a new promise land since Israel refused to repent Matthew 21:43.
I’m typing this before I watch the video, but it needs to be stressed that myths are often written to match the culture and or ideas and theology of a certain religion. An example would be the Bhagavad Gita. It’s perfectly Indian in theology, and it contains the elements of a myth. So the story didn’t actually happen, but it’s the teachings what matters the most. The teachings are perfectly compatible with Indian theology and nothing about it challenges theology of the Hindu faith. But the gospels on the other hand are way different from this. We’re talking about a real person, not a made up person who might’ve been fabricated from existing ideas and events from the culture, but an actual person who existed and who was known to do miracles and was virtuous. The accounts we have of Jesus meet multiple attestation and criteria of embarrassment. As well as unlikely inventions, here’s my favorite 2 Timothy 3:12 where Paul tells us that we will be persecuted. If you’re just making this stuff up you would never say something like that because no one would listen to you. But instead, he said it because it was true.
Rationale Radio, inventions of what?? The Bible is true history as well as geography and science. It wasn't "borrowed" from any source but revealed by God Himself. So where are you going with your comment??
We know more of Jesus Christ than we know about Homer Josephus Julius Caesar Cleopatra Ramese ect.. so where are you going with this about "embarrassment" comment?
@@k-dogg9086 he's comparing the Gospels to other religious texts - and showing that the Gospels are different. The criterion of embarrassment means that no one writes a myth where they demean themselves - and yet in the Gospels we read about the disciples' disbelief and even Peter being called Satan. Also the story of the women finding the empty tomb fits this criteria, because women's testimony was considered to be worthless in the ancient times. So all that this comment is saying is that the Gospels don't seem like myth - they're talking about real people and real places, because they're historical accounts of eyewitnesses. Hopefully this can clarify a little quarrel between two brothers in Christ 😊
Former Mormon here. Thank you Pastor Mike, for this excellent video. The lds taught us the telephone game about the Bible in Sunday school. They never thought to investigate further because they (we) were taught and pressured to trust our leaders , and not investigate outside sources. The leaders still push that agenda. 💔
Praise the Biblical Jesus of Nazareth (Who was /is GOD with us) who took the cross to save us. Praise Father, Son and Holy Spirit in One. ❤️🔥🕊✝️🙏🌹
1 Corinthians15.1-4
Ephesians 2.8-10
So I just tested this. Our youngest is 22 & in college. (to give background on her, Kylie, she was raised in a Christian church, AND she already went up against a professor in her first year a professor said to the class “if you believe ....., you can leave this class right now” she left & went straight to the Dean. She was not disrespectful, but refused to listen especially given the “option” to leave. So I asked her. She did not know all of this (neither did I) but had a fairly good understanding & I’m confident a professor or guest speaker could not sway her!
THANK-YOU!! Great video & great to know this!!
God bless you for what you do Pastor Mike!
I just love your videos! I’ve laughed, I’ve cried, I’ve gotten down on my knees and repented, I’ve yelled “YES!” So many times. My husband has asked who I was talking to upstairs 😂 I’ve prayed that God will bless you and what you’ve given to my knowledge and faith.
I know you posted this a long time ago but I do have a quick question about something you said. You said don’t take theological definitions of words and force them into dictionary terms. I’d like to know when to refer to a dictionary term and when to refer to like the original Greek (etc) Thank you!
Do both it will only enable your ability to show folks you converse with how modern word meanings change with culture.
A quick example the word "gay" used to mean happy, now an individual has be brave if they elect to use it to describe happiness.
I really loved your answer to Doug. What a gentle, loving spirit. You bear the Name well, and I point people to your videos frequently. I have an unbelieving spouse and no money of my own, but soon I will finish my degree and start earning money. In the meantime, I am praying that you will receive abundant donations. And if not, that God's direction is crystal clear to you.
God is looking to hire people to work for him. He is growing old and needs help.
Papius looks like he didn't get his coffee that morning.
Ok
Thank you, I've been trying to find this guy myself, but kept coming up with results on the history of paper instead. Now I found him, thanks to you.
Mike, I just want to let you know how much finding your videos has really blessed me. I am a mid 30’s wife (of 15 years!) and a mom of two... a 10 yr old and a 13 yr old.... I have always been very drawn to apologetics and LINE BY LINE Bible studies. This day is so difficult to parent in. THANK YOU for being here as a resource for a Bible believing, Christ following woman. I think I found you via your Passion Translation video.
If the stories get changed, then it's all the more miraculous that only four survived and they were all in alignment with each other especially with all the undesigned coincidences between them.
It’s literally literary borrowing and plagiarism.
@Joe Blow Okay, since you don't like the wording, it is against phenomenal odds, if the stories get changed, that only four accounts of the gospel survive amidst copies and those four gospels are in perfect alignment. (especially since the Bible is pieced together from partial copies that piece together a giant puzzle. that ensures its own security since anyone who wants to change the Bible would have to track down and change every historical manuscript in at least two if not three different dead languages)
@Joe Blow I've not seen a single contradiction in the gospels. What's the strongest proof of contradiction in the gospels that you have?
@Joe Blow So you obviously don't have a single contradiction to show. The creation story doesn't contradict science, but that's not the real issue. You say I won't listen, but I think you're projecting since I asked for your best example of gospel contradictions and your best example was "they tell contradicting tales of the exact same events"
Well, since that's satisfactory evidence of a contradiction, to merely say that they have contradictions, I'll prove God exists for you with the same level of effort:
God exists. Now you're a believer, right? What? How can you not be a believer after that? Okay, well I guess just simply saying that something is something isn't very convincing. So how about showing me what's the strongest proof of contradiction in the gospels that you have so that I can actually have something to consider.
If I'm believing a lie, then my existence is more pitied than the rest of the world for I deny myself many worldly pleasures that would be fun to enjoy because I believe that right and wrong are objective rather than opinions. If I knew that life was meaningless and there is no consequence beyond this short meaningless existence, I would truly capitalize on what limited time I have rather than waste it reading words written by men pretending to be inspired by God.
@Joe Blow Thank you Mr Obvious for pointing that out. Okay. I'm ignorant. I want to be less ignorant. Are you going to spend your whole life gloating over the knowledge you have or are you actually going to use that knowledge to enlighten others who are seeking these gospel contradictions you have so that they may lay to rest the myth of the Messiah having ever come and live according to truth rather than ignorance?
"Bart Erhman your done" that made me go merp. Thank you Mike for your obedience and faith in Jesus and constant readiness. God bless you bro
What is wrong with learning the latest in biblical scholarship ?
@@truethinker221 the intimationis that it isnt....scholarship...
Thank you pastor Mike for doing what you are doing. I can see the true joy of Christ shining through you brother. I’m sure there’s all kinds of demonic attacks against you and your ministry, but you’re a true blessing brother. Thank you for helping shine the light of Christ. I’ve been going through a very dark season of doubt and you’ve been an incredible help and encouragement to me with your passion for truth. I sincerely am thankful for you!
If I have a different opinion from Mike's does that make me a demon?
Hearing that professor at the beginning, even I with my limited educationa and limited knowledge on the bible just kept thinking "except it wasn't the last ones on the chain that wrote the altered stories down, it was the direct witnesses that did, but sure go on". How wasn't that the first thing that came to the professor's mind when this idea came to him?
Because its nonsense. When he was saying something to the effect of, "remember when you played the telephone game?" I thought no. I never heard of it until atheists simultaneously agreed that it was a good argument >.>
Direct witnesses? Who?
@@kmasse81
The disciples and the apostles.
You’re BRILLIANT!! Thank you so much, for EVERY video teaching you create for us. They are always AMAZING! 🌿 🕊
I think Bart is in errorman!
Nice.
in this case he can be an asset....as even he regards the Bible....I think 1 Corinthians, as legitimate history....that is akin to having the good houskeeping, seal of approval....
@@philipbuckley759 I would disagree that Bart is any sort of asset because he is wrong about everything else. So then where does a new believer figure out the where his truth ends and deception begins? Even a broken clock is right twice a day but if you don’t know when that is you may think it’s always right...
@@Captain-Awesome New believers don’t have to worry about that. Trusting God with things like that until you’ve grown spiritually is important; or else you’ll lose your faith every time there’s a question you haven’t found an answer to yet.
@@heavnxbound I hear what you’re saying the danger is that they consider him an expert and he not only leads some astray but confuses others completely. It’s precisely this misleading that’s the worst for new believers.
The way you dealt with Doug’s question blew me away!! That was crazy man!
Thank you Mike. Personally, I have seen the "telephone" game and have seen that people that engage that so called game, let alone children or teenagers, purposefully change the story for "fun" sake. It would make me think that Bart's use of such an example is ridiculous. To compare modern children playing a game with persecuted adults telling the story of Jesus according to scriptures is dumb. It's like the foolishness of those that use Santa Clause or the tooth fairy to try and make christians fell embarrassed about believing the gospel. Santa and the fairy have always been a lie told to children. Everyone that has ever told children that Santa Clause was real knew they were telling a lie. Having experienced the telephone game, everyone that changes the original line does so to be funny. Never the less, you are doing a good work by presenting concrete facts. Thanks again
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Eye witness accounts are supposed to be different/
Even eyewitness accounts change. People are not video cameras. And people who are invested in the believability of their narrative? I wonder how Christians just take all this fantastical stuff at face value like it’s no big deal. Fascinating to see how gullible people can be when they WANT (really, really bad) to believe something
@@docsspellingcontest592 Yes, eyewitness accounts change. But why do they change and what, makes them NOT change? What makes people who are “invested”, change their “narrative”? But more importantly, in the face of tortuous death and persecution, what made these “eyewitness accounts” NOT change their narrative (concerning what they experienced)? The only logical explanation is that they experienced God! The reasons that make eyewitness accounts change, did not apply. Threats or killing them had no power. This “Good News” had only one thing going for it, The Truth. Reality, God! The life of Jesus was not a phantom or a dream or a vision or something that happened to someone in a meditative state or in a cave. Jesus happened in ordinary streets among ordinary people. In plain sight for all to see.
I take it at face value, that few, if any eyewitnesses will die, tortuous deaths, for what they know to be a lie. I most certainly would not. Nor do I know of any that would die for a lie, knowing it’s a lie. The eyewitnesses knew the truth of their narrative. Experiencing something that happens in real life, is not the same a fanatic belief in a story. I cannot be a muslim because I will not believe one man’s story of an experience he had in a cave. But I can believe the historical accounts of events that happened in history.
I can answer your question about how Christians, since the 1st century, _just take all this fantastical stuff at face value like it’s no big deal._ However, you, most likely, will not take my answer at its face value.
Here’s a hint, as a Christian, the entire creation is “fantastical stuff”. Very, very fantastical. Why is there something rather than nothing? How did that something become alive? Very fantastical. And how can it be that it was written in our DNA to produce what was written therein? Very very fantastical! Some, take the evolutionary explanation, “narrative” _of fantastical stuff at face value like its no big deal._
BTAIM, if it weren’t for the fact, that we are all experiencing this fantastical reality, we might not take it at its face value. However, we have been experiencing a fantastical reality, as a species, since recorded history. Sadly, as the old saying goes, “familiarity, breeds contempt”. Sadly, many have lost sight of this fantastical reality. The eyewitnesses of the gospel of Jesus Christ, experience Jesus of Nazareth, the one whom “even the wind and sea obey”. The one that could not be held by death.
The eyewitnesses experienced God! God chose a people thru one man, Abraham. The entire family, since Abraham, experience God on the stage of history! The story is very very fantastical. Written in a book but also written on the stage of history. It is very compelling. Face value? I don’t think so. The continuity of history can never be broken. It is written for a reason. The same reason my existence is written in my DNA. Very fantastical!
Only one man, Mohammed, some 500+ years after the fact, denies that Jesus was crucified. BTAIM, as it is written in the NT,
Acts 26:8
*Why is it considered incredible among you people if God raises the dead?*
The resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth is no less fantastical than the existence of everything. For this Christian, it is an event horizon, a point of no return. We are persuaded by the facts of history. The facts did not happen in a vacuum. They happened in real time. Continuously, to this date.
One last thing. There have been thousands of very intelligent people who have studied the facts and historicity about the NT and came to the conclusion that Jesus did in fact raise from the dead. BTAIM, I understand you perfectly, regarding “gullible people” when I think of all the people that swallowed the lies about Trump and voted for Biden. And even more so, since the lies about Trump have been exposed as lies, and yet they continue to believe what they want to believe. Christianity is not that!
@@RobSed55 I wonder why less than 40% of Christians would have been willing to support a President with bad character during Clinton’s presidency, but all of a sudden would support a bad character President over 80% when asked the same question during Trump presidency? Good Christian values, unchanging God bla bla bla. You would think if God were REAL, he would have a more substantial effect on the people who purport to follow him. But no. They behave just like everyone else. And your support for Trump just shows how relative your values are. Why bring up Trump in a theological discussion anyway?
@@docsspellingcontest592 You ask, _Why bring up Trump in a theological discussion anyway?_
> Simple Question. Simple answer. It was because you said the following,
_Fascinating to see how gullible people can be when they WANT (really, really bad) to believe something._
>I was simply agreeing with your point, by pointing out truly “gullible people.” Those that believed the lies told about Trump, even to this day. Christianity is not that. “Gullible” is people believing lies, even in the face of the facts. The facts are; that most of the bad media press about Trump, has been proven to be false. God is shaking this country. The Gospel was alway told as the truth. The eyewitnesses died for the truth. Gullible people are of the sort that voted for Biden and believe he won fair and square.
The one’s that voted for Biden are as gullible as they come. You believe Biden is “morally” superior to Trump. Or Clinton is morally superior to Trump. You miss the point. It was not that less than 40% of Christians were willing to *support a president with bad character during Clinton presidency. It was that 80% of Christians were willing to take a chanced that a non-career politician, who said he would buck the system and stand for the rights of ALL American, *including the unborn,* might keep his word. And he did. Today the SCOTUS has a conservative majority. That is Trump keeping his word. I had been waiting since the 60’s for a non-politicians to become president. Never thought it would happen but it did, and it was the best thing to happen to this nation since Abe Lincoln.
You totally miss the point. Can you really not see why 80% voted for Trump? We believed, and prayed that he would keep his word. I knew that career politicians do not. But Hillary and Joe want to abort babies on the day of their birth. It is a no brainer! In case you have been living in another universe, Christians have been standing against abortion since Roe v Wade. Clinton was getting blow jobs in the oval office and promoting abortion. You know nothing about God or Christian values. Any ideology that would kill a baby on the day of its birth is in no position to tell me about morality.
As for this “theological discussion.” You further miss the point. We are not discussing “theology” but historicity. The title of this post is *The Gospels Are History Not Myth.* The recent history we have lived thru is very pertinent to the discussion. The lies about Trump have been exposed. The lies that Biden and the Dems have told have been exposed. The same was true about the Gospels. It is history. In the first century the claims of the eyewitnesses, could have been exposed as lies, but they were not! Why? Only one reason. It was the truth. It happened.
Christianity has nothing to do with being “gullible". I do not _WANT to believe something really really bad._ I believe the reality of history. I am persuaded by the facts of history. I believe what history says about Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar, or any other historical person. Jesus said, “what is hidden will be brought to light”. That is, if you love the truth, the truth will prevail, if you seek the truth. In the same way that Biden’s personal use of his political career to enrich his family (Hunter Biden) has come out (notwithstanding gullible people) so too the lies about Trump have proven to be lies. We are witnessing the results of our vote for Trump, and Trump keeping his word AND history exposing the truth. Likewise the truth of the Gospel has alway prevailed.
What was though to be impossible will soon become a reality, Roe v Wade will be overturned. Trump used the presidency to uphold the rights of All American’s, including the unborn. It is the same regarding Christianity. The truth of the “Good News” of Jesus of Nazareth has withstood the test of time. The historicity of Jesus Christ has changed the world. It is history!
I am standing on solid ground. And today, "2000 Mules" has provided compelling evidence that the 2020 election of Biden, was due to election fraud. And Trump was right again. The truth will come out. The continuity of history can never be broken. History will record the 2020 presidential election of Biden, as a fraud. The American People are now experiencing the results of what happens when a president, and his party, are in office by fraud. But you are right, it is fascinating, what "gullible people" will believe because they WANT it to be true. Again, Christianity is not that.
*THE GOSPELS ARE HISTORY AND NOT MYTH!*
How long is it usually between when a video is posted and when it shows up as a podcast in iTunes? I prefer watching the videos when possible, but the podcast is really convenient for when I can't sit down and watch for long periods of time. Just asking because there are 4 videos that haven't shown up as podcasts yet and I was wondering when I'd be able to listen to them. Thanks for all you do, Mike!
Hi trekkiebeth! At the moment the podcast is being updated by a volunteer who does it whenever he has free time. This means that the time it takes varies. I’m grateful to have someone who knows enough of the tech stuff to get the audio and do all that’s needed to put it onto the podcast but it does mean the timing isn’t super reliable (at least for now). It will eventually get on the podcast, sorry for the delay. Have a great day!
@@MikeWinger Thank you!
I was really encouraged by this topic. I would like to study this more myself would you please list your extrabiblical source material so that I can study them firsthand?
Can you do a video on the Old Testament? That stuff is what I'm more unsure about. Especially the historicity of Moses, and other central figures who don't seem to have any evidence to back up theor existence. So having that cleared up would help.
Yeah, the "telephone game" theory is an atheist favorite. Here's the problem for the person using that analogy. If they're going to claim that the Bible is inaccurate, now the burden of proof is on their claim. Which part is inaccurate? What's the original text? Which part is being misquoted, what is the original quote, when did it change and who changed it? See, it's easy to say that the Bible was changed over time but it's another thing to now have to point to every verse and word that was changed and prove they have the original, unaltered word. They obviously don't have that so asking them to prove their claims will end the conversation quickly.
if the gospels were the first time the story was written down then there would not be a "original" to have quoted. note: the telephone game hypothesis is not a theory, its just a possible origin. When anthropologists began studying the Polynesian cargo cults it was within a couple of years and in some cases less than a year of their origin. They were able to record the original testimonies of the individuals that started them. They were also able to follow how the stories changed over the years. the person who had the original vision at first said they had a vision but within fifty years their story changed to a physical person who came and spoke to them directly.
And doing that when scripture is so supernaturally cohesive and free from errors… not to mention historically accurate… I wouldn’t want to be the one having to find errors to point to. I believe most people who set out to honestly do so end up converted
QUESTION* Would love some insight and your take on using 'lectio divina', I see as it being a source to get into scripture and closer to the lord but also come across info that it's very similar and or has ties to contemplative prayer and mysticism. Thank you!!
Q: Hi Mike, I love your channel and watch it a lot. I have an interesting question that I have thought out and maybe you can discourse it with me because I want your opinion. The question is” At this stage of economy that we have, evil both moral and physical are almost totally within our control. Isn’t it almost silly to discuss the problem of evil when we won’t work on it within our collective selves?” I’m asking this because I think it’s a relevant question that we give god responsibility’s that we have the resources collectively to solve ourselves because we are literally made in his image?
Mike. You’re the man. God bless!
God bless you mike. keep on the good fight.
Mike, your hard work has paid off; you have STRENGTHENED my faith the more you debunk things like this! I really hope you see this comment because what you do Mike is extremely important to people; including me. God bless you and of course all praises go to Christ; Our shepherd
Regarding the Sampson question: Sampson, at the end, also called upon God to give him strength for one last thing, bringing down whatever building he was chained up in. There's an indicating he realised what he had done wrong and that he needed to trust God, and God rewarded that trust with the strength he asked for.
The telephone game might be a sorta accurate analogy if the person who started the game steps in as the message is being transmitted, hears it and corrects it, then speaks it to the next person continuing the game. That is what Paul himself was doing in his letters to several of the churches in his correction of false messages that came back to him from some of these churches that he pastored. Bart Ehrman and the atheists who foolishly follow him have been proven wrong on this favorite analogy of theirs.
"Bart Ehrman, you're done. Stop."😂😂😂
Again, excellent! Thank you so much for your work. God bless you!
Amazon does not have the Bauckham book. Where can it be found or is it jus not available an longer?
xD *Bart Interrupts* "JESUS DIED AND - " Mike: "NeupNeupNeup".
And what I find interesting about the telephone game argument is why would people be playing it about the utter destruction of a so-called Messianic figure and his followers humiliation.
If this was a blatant bull honky why would they have made it out of the first-century especially considering they had one of the biggest governmental authorities as well as one of the most powerful religious traditions in the area trying to quash it. They would have every evidence to disprove it like jesus's body.
Mike, I was wondering if you'd be interested in making a video introducing tactics for countering polytheistic religions, (such as the Sumerian religion) and the oft-used claim that the Bible plagiarized (insert religion.)
I'm currently debating with an acquaintance who subscribes to all of the aforementioned: "Neo-Sumerianism" if you will.. Now, I'm quite used to debating atheists and deploying generalized evangelism, however, I don't often encounter polytheists, especially of this sort.
Thankfully, The LORD gave me opportunities to use scripture and classical logic to make counter-arguments. Though, this guy has made it clear that he only desires to solely engage in religious debate, so in light of that opportunity, is there anything you could recommend that would be useful for warring against similar polytheism?
Ugh you are such a kind apologist. God bless you and your wife and ministry.
I find Dr Gary Habermas “Minimal Facts” approach to defending the historicity of the death and resurrection of Jesus to be a very decisive argument. I'd like to hear you cover it sometime. Thanks for all the great content! I'm still working through it all.
Mike, you're doing God's work - Literally LOL Thank you for your service to the Lord.
The all powerful Yahweh needs help.
mike, would you consider enabling transcription and closed captioning so that those who want to read along (like me with hearing difficulties). sometimes you drop off volume at key points and i sometimes miss what you are saying. also, being able to save and annotate what you say on a transcript would be very helpful too. many thanks for your ministry; the above is just a suggestion for improvement and not a criticism.
Learning and reading the early church fathers have strengthened my faith so so much! One amazing example I remember I wish I remembered who wrote it but he was talking about a disagreement about what John said and he said just go down to the church in this town and read his writings and letters this church by you still has the originals lol. What a world where you were learning from people who were friends with John!
I actually had Bart Ehrman come into an undergrad class of mine my sophomore year at Michigan State. My professor was an PHD student of his when he was going for his doctorate degree at UNC and invited him to speak in my class. These are the notes I took in that class from what he said (I apologize for formatting, copy and pasted from my onenote on that class. His views, not mine):
Misquoting Jesus: Scribes who changed the scriptures and readers who may never know
How We Got the Books of the New Testament
The "Original" text (e.g., of Mark, CE 70)
Copies of the Original
Mistakes happen when the copy of the original isn't done correctly, and gets worse with each copy.
Our oldest copy: P(papyrus)45 (ca. 220 CE?)
Our next copy: 4th century manuscripts (300 years after the "original")
The Surviving Copies
Numbers: Some 5500 Greek Manuscripts
Surviving Genesis copy is about 1500 years after the "original"
Ages
The Oldest: P52 (Size of a credit card; few verses of Chapter 18 and 19), 125 CE'ish
Most Numerous: 94% are after the 9th Century
Number of Mistakes
Middle Ages
John Mill
30,000 different differences located by Mill
Today
5500 manuscripts
Maybe 300k-500k differences in manuscripts
Kinds of Mistakes in the Manuscripts
Accidental
Misspellings
Serious Blunders, leaving out an entire page
Intentional
The Woman Taken in Adultery
This story was added by later scribes. Not in any of the original manuscripts of John.
The Last Twelve Verses of Mark
Mark ends without the women telling the disciples. Last twelve verses were added due to the other 3 Gospels.
"Father, forgive them" (Luke 23:34), omitted in some cases
"Not even the Son" (Matt. 24:36), omitted in some cases
Fig tree represents Israel; Israel became a state in 1988
Is The Text of the New Testament Reliable?
Short Answer: Can't be 100% Certain
There are Passages that Scholars Continue to Debate
There are Passages we will never know
Crarazy
Now go listen to Dr Dan Wallace,,,who knows and has debated Ehrman, 6th sigma has not been achieved in biblical accuracy but I think believers will come away substantially confident that our God did inspire his word through men and that virtually none of the textual variants change written scripture meaning. Furthermore, while Ehrman argues some is missing,, its clear that what we have is more than sufficient or an embarrassment of riches for man to fully understand Gods path for mans redemption and that man will stand in front of his maker and not be able to claim ignorance.. Lastly,, I see no way that his apostasy was a result of his studies. Something else has been at work. The lord said come let us reason together..Some have simply refused .
Shows what he knows Israel became a state again in 1948 not 1988
And this man is supposed to be a scholar wow
Those very omissions and supposed contradictions is exactly what would give it weight as eyewitness accounts in a court of law.If they were identical the court would szy it is made up
WOW! Prof has waaaaay to much sarcasm in his voice! (I settle down in my chair, roll my eyes, and brace myself for his tirade.....) He knows he's wrong. Why else would he attack instead of using logic?
After years of doing this you get tired and bored from hearing the same arguments.
Hey I am looking for more insight into the parables of the hidden treasure and the Pearl of great price and if you may know of any because I have heard alot about the hidden treasure but not much on the Pearl of great price so anything you can think of to help me I would like to look into
quite amazing....taking an agressive stand, for the information, found in the Bible....
LMBO
"Bart Erhman, you're done, stop!"
Yep he's not very bright.
Bart refused to debate a Messianic Jew. Because Bart has no knowledge in Hebrew and how the Old Testament proves Jesus is God too.
@@biblestudy63 Actually it literally doesn’t. The Greek Septuagint bastardized the OT so much Christians were able to make a religion out of mistranslation. Psalm 110:1 is a great place to show that.
@@keatsiannightingale2025 LOL. Nah the septuigant is the closest to the original, not the judaized Talmudic masoretic text
First time I've heard of or listened to you, Mike, but I've been studying Christian apologetics for about 45 years. When I heard the audio clip you played of Ehrman I just started laughing out loud, because it is that absurd and ridiculous! That's what passes for scholarship?! I could have blown his claims so full of holes they would be like a Swiss cheese in about three minutes had i been debating with him! (Not meaning to boast, it's just the truth).
Hey, I was wondering if you could do a response video to Richard Carrier's speech (it's here on RUclips) "Why We Know the Gospels Are Myth"? Thanks so much!
If you cannot accept the Word God as truth, then you will never understand the gospel, which is the power of God unto Salvation. God bless you ministry, brother Mike. You are my favorite RUclips channel. In a web of space filled with junk, you are a breath of fresh air that edifies the entire body of Christ, not just one believer. You expel the truth of biblical Christianity which differs from the cults of JWs, LDS, Black Hebrews, COC, Oneness, WMSCOG, and every other cult etc. We are grateful to have you preaching the word of truth.
Mike, can you do a video on Code of Hammurabi. This is the first known set of laws, some of the laws look just like the ones from the old testament. I've heard people use this to state that God did not create morals, that man evolved and thus began to create moral law. Thank you.
Actually most of the 10 commandments came from the 42 Laws of Ma'at.
CODE OF HAMMURABI (1754 BCE)-HAMMURABI RECEIVED 282 LAWS ON 12 TABLETS FROM THE SUN GOD SHAMASH. "EYE FOR AN EYE, TOOTH FOR A TOOTH" CAME FROM THESE LAWS. MOSES MENTIONS "EYE FOR AN EYE, TOOTH FOR A TOOTH" IN VERSES DEUTERONOMY 19:21 AND EXODUS 21:24. GOOGLE THE STELE OF HAMMURABI AND YOU CAN SEE THE 7FT ARTIFACT DEPICTING HAMMURABI RECEIVING THE LAWS.
Disregard what that other dude said, this is why Genesis is important and should be taken seriously. We see the story of the Tower of Babel, and what it tells us is that we used to be one altogether. After that diaspora, people made their own nations, but they also carried their old culture (that means a belief in some god, and potentially the morals given by Adam and Eve).
@@rubenthekid
"Disregard what the other dude said"
That's messed up. I'm just giving out knowledge that's outside the realm of most religious people.
An example:
Barabbas means Son of the father in Aramaic. His first name was Jesus.
You mentioned tower of Babel. The bible stole that mythological story and made it theirs. Feel free to verify.
TOWER OF BABEL IS A REHASH OF A SUMERIAN STORY OF ENMERKAR AND THE LORD ARATTA (2100 BCE). SUMERIAN ACCOUNT OF “CONFUSION OF TONGUES”
@@rubenthekid
Another example of a mythological story that the bible stole.
Enkidu who's part of the Gilgamesh story was made from clay. sound familiar.
"I opened the window" Gilgamesh XI,135
"Noah opened the window of the ark" Genesis 8:6
"The dove went out and returned" Gilgamesh XI,147
"sent forth the dove and the dove came back to him" Genesis 8:10b-11
"I sent forth a raven" Gilgamesh XI,152
"Noah... sent forth a raven"Genesis 8:7
"The gods smelled the sweet savor" Gilgamesh XI,160
"And the Lord smelled the sweet savor..." Genesis 8:21
"On Mount Nisir the boat grounded" Gilgamesh XI,140
"the ark came to rest upon the mountains" Genesis 8:4
"The cattle of the field, the beast of the plain" Gilgamesh XI,85
"clean animals and of animals that are not clean" Genesis 7:8
"into the ship all my family and relatives" Gilgamesh XI,84
"Go into the ark, you and all your household" Genesis 7:1
"pitch I poured into the inside" Gilgamesh XI,66
"cover it inside and out with pitch"Genesis 6:14
"And offered a sacrifice" Gilgamesh XI,155
"offered burnt offerings on the altar" Genesis 8:20
"I shall remember these days and never forget" Gilgamesh XI,165
"I shall remember my covenant...I may remember" Genesis 9:15-16
"he touched our foreheads to bless us" Gilgamesh XI,192
"And God blessed Noah" Genesis 9:1
I can keep going if you'd like. No need for the disrespect bud.
Charlito Mani and there you go again, with debatable sources that can't be proven to be older than the actual biblical story. Well, considering Job is actually the oldest written book in the bible, Genesis and such are a little younger than Job, but this is history we are talking about, and even back then they couldn't record certain things the moment they were said, but that wasn't a problem considering the Bible proved itself to be God's word looking at history. It's funny how you people look to all reasons just to undermine the bible when sincerely they are not at all that plausible considering the bible itself has reasons and causes for those stories you speak of. AFTER THE TOWER OF BABEL, many people carried out their culture of what happened and applied their own stories, in fact, AFTER THE FLOOD OF NOAH, people would come up with their own version of it. Is that Gilgamesh book even that realistic or plausible considering its actually just some guys rewrite of what happened in the bible? You know mike winger and other apologetics have debunked your reasoning right? You've got the answers in your hands, now go pay attention.
"people began telling stories about Him." I wonder why they began doing that. Maybe because Jesus Christ is charismatic and performed miracles. Bart is a dolt. Poor guy.
I mean, it’s true. People did start telling stories about Jesus. Based on their eyewitness accounts... The stories told about Jesus are true because they’re told by those who lived with Him (basically) for 3 years. So, Bart is right in that regard, and so are you.
What did they gain by telling stories ...prison,persecution .And why should they portray their leaders like Petwr as cowards and later in the Book of Acts as men willing to suffer for their faith
Can you provide a reference that states that Bart Ehrman was a part of the Jesus Seminar? I'm questioning your assertion of this.
Right, I'm fairly confident this is incorrect..
I have read several books that reference him in the Jesus seminar. I know over 50 scholars were part of it but I think there were 11 main ones and he was not one of the main ones.
Pastor Mike (or anyone that could help), I just can't get the name of the source, according to whom Cleopas would be the brother of Jesus' father. Could anyone help me?
(You find it at 40.57)
Thanks ❤ and Pastor Mike thanks for your videos! 😊
Bart Ehrman's claim, in this case, seems to be that the Gospels we have are wrong, not because the authors were trying to be deceitful, but because they were too far removed from the events of Jesus' life. However, in Luke and Acts, Luke unequivocally states that he was an eye witness to some of the events in Acts, and that he interviewed eye witnesses, and did the best research he could in writing the parts that he was not himself an eye witness to. So, for the Gospel of Luke, Ehrman's claim would necessarily mean that the author of Luke is, in fact, lying.
Ehrman, seems to be aiming his claim at believers. He knows that directly stating that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were lying when they wrote the Gospels would not influence a believer (although most nonbelievers probably would accept that statement), but questioning if the authors of these books had the right information when they finally wrote them down is designed to create a seed of doubt in a believer that the more direct attack would not.
The Old Testament proves Jesus is God as well. I wonder why Bart refuses to debate Messianic Jews. Bart has no knowledge of the Hebrew language, or Aramaic. Nor the fact that Jews did expect two Messiahs. One being a priest and one being the offspring of David. And Jesus is both. He has two comings. Baruch HaShem! Praise Jesus Christ, for His revealing to us.
Mike, if you still have notes from this video in the hard drive, I would love to have a link there I could get a copy of them like you had in the video when you went through physics of heaven. The wisdom you share is gold!
Good idea bro, I’ll support you. give your info I’m on an iPhone so I can’t see a donate link.
Sources apart from the Gospels, and archaeology, cannot, nor do they, refute, but instead attest, that the Gospels
are historically valid! Their depiction of the topography, the local colour, and events which occurred at that time
and place in history is at least as accurate as any other source which was written then and there, or regarding the
same!
What if we carefully separate the topics at hand?
* _History_ refers to what actually happened.
* The entire first half of this video relates to _whether the Bible's story was preserved accurate to the origin of the story._
* Do you understand why those are two separate topics?
Imagine Tim lives in 1600, and is fooled by a religious scam that someone resurrected from death.
1. Tim is absolutely convinced it's truth.
2. Tim tells his friends for the rest of his life.
3. Some of these first-order friends hear and are also convinced and take actions to properly preserve the story.
4. Fast-forward to 2020 and someone convinced of this 1600s religion has a video where the first half is dedicated to proving that between Tim and his first-order friends very little (if anything) changed in the story.
5. _Does that establish Tim's story is HISTORY?_
Hopefully you agree it doesn't. It only establishes that it's probably accurate to what Tim believed (or lied to fool others). It _does not_ establish that what's described is actual history.
_Do you have any extrabiblical evidence of any of the supernatural claims of the Bible?_ Because those are the claims in question, and honest I've never seen convincing evidence at all. It's just the Bible's claims vs. all reality. The Bible claims a resurrection, and in all reality we don't have any evidence of resurrections. When a book's claims fly in the face of reality like that, we shouldn't be convinced by the single book -- we should believe reality.
@@majm9309 just because something doesn't happen everyday doesn't mean it never happened. Despite the fact that the bible itself isn't a single book but simply put "a library of books" even if it was a single book as that book needs to be history is for it to record the events that took place. If one record of an event was all their is then that one record is evidence. With the bible it's many books written from many sources so it is many pieces of evidence.
@@maow9240 World War 2 doesn't happen every day, _and yet we have strong, logical evidence justifying the conclusion that it happened._ There are LOTS of independent sources.
We don't have A SECOND independent source for the Bible's supernatural claims. It's just the Bible's claims by themselves.
In my Tim example a year ago, _Tim's friends wrote books._ So are you saying we should believe in Tim's 1600 religion? Should we treat those _multiple "books"_ as different independent evidence?
@@majm9309 the bible was written by multiple sources
@@maow9240 So then you _would_ believe in Tim's religion. If truth doesn't matter to you, why bother discussing things at all? (It seems clear truth doesn't matter because I asked that question about Tim's religion last post yet you still acted like multiple people writing something magically makes it true. This is apparently why you believe the Bible, so we should expect that you actually would believe in Tim's invented, falsehood religion.)
Could you make a video on race? Does the Bible clarify why some men have different characteristics? as in at what point did humanity change into black, white, asian and indian? Does the Bible teach something about this?
Jonathan Gil Santillan I’ve always believed this goes back to the Tower of Babel. When the world was split into modern continents
Ndirishfan actually we can see a very basic breakdown of ethnicity in the names of the sons of Noah...Shem...Ham and Japeth. so it appears that different shades and colors was known very early....just part of God's plan. besides there is no such thing as race scientificaly speaking...just one species. :)
Jonathan Gil Santillan do some research on the names of Noah's sons....you will find some generic Broad descriptions in their names such as the caucusoid negroid & mongoloid ethnicities in their names so there were differences from the beginning it seems just got part of God's plan :)
yeah, thanks brother, still i hope Mike makes this video, i know we're all the same, just trying to figure out if God just made kids with different characteristics out of his will and why for and the purpose and if this is any Biblical@@interpretingscripture8068
I was really looking forward to this broadcast. Imagine my delight when you referenced Richard’s book.
Richard is the archetypal scholar; quiet, bookish and very humble but passionate about scripture. I studied with him at Cambridge and although I found the course to be tough, knowing that I could trust the faithful intellectual rigour of the course leaders (Philip Jenson and Richard) really helped me.
You present the materials very well and your love of scripture is obvious. Well done.
Hey Mike, what’s that Bible software you’re using?
From the start of this video Mike still hasn’t made a case as to why the gospels are eyewitness testimonies. He has to agree, as does Mike Licona, that the gospels are anonymous. Second, Papius was born FOUR DECADES after Jesus died. That’s right, FOUR DECADES. How much is anything Papius says evidence of any kind? Mike is absolutely pulling at straws. He constantly fumbles his thoughts, goes off on tangents, and has yet to make any substantive case.
Luke? I thought his thoughts where quite clear. God bless.
Fred B nowhere does it say in “Luke” that anyone named Luke wrote it. Look it up for yourself.
Danny Harper Just because they never said who wrote it doesn’t mean we can’t get who wrote it via external evidence. You don’t know my name but I’m sure someone would be able to link this comment to myself.
TheisticLogos ok what external evidence do you speak of? This is new to me most Christian scholars admit they are anonymous.
Four decades is not a very long time It means his father or atleast his grandfather was sround
Names are living eyewitnesses? Really? Ok, let’s think this one through. How likely would a Greek-speaking Christian in say Corinth be to find Bartemeus in Palestine 30 years after in events in question with nothing more than his name and the city where he lived 30 years ago? That is patently absurd! I try to locate witnesses DAILY for events that occurred only 2-3 years ago with modern databases and social media and still have difficulty. Do you think 1st Century Christians living on different ends of the Roman Empire could have done better with none of our technology? Please!
The churches were in constant contact and the apostles and then later the men they trained would travel from church to church, town to town and country to country constantly. Yes, even 30yrs after the fact. It would just be a matter of sending a message to his "home" church and the brethren would pass the message along and, as their commission from Jesus was to spread the gospel, he would likely have travelled to where you were to speak of what he saw and experienced as was the way the churches were planted in the first place 🤷♀️
@@lellyt2372 There are lots of assumptions embedded in your post. Do we really know that the churches were in constant contact in the First Century? In the Second Century, that might be true.
@J DV Paul was in contact with the churches he planted. We have no evidence that the churches independently contacted one another.
Sir, you are making incorrect presuppositions because you haven’t read enough first century history.
If you read Josephus, Tacitus and Pliny you would get a better picture of the modes of communication in the first world.
It wasn’t impossible to communicate with or locate people in the first century, and was literally done all the time, and not just by Christians.
Also, read the apostolic fathers.
@@kristinholland06 If you say so. I can barely locate witnesses for trial that I know live in Nevada with Lexis Nexis and hosts of other databases. But, I’m glad you think you can find Simon the Tanner of Capernaum. Perhaps you should be my process server…. On a contingency fee basis only.
God bless pastor mike. I have a question on financial issues in the church. I would love to some day the church I go to help the pastor out financially. ( like the Bible says to do) but our church is small and we are not a church that forces tithing what are some options.
I'm glad to hear your church doesn't teach tithing as so many do. Tithing isn't Biblical for Christians. If you want to help your pastor, why not just give him a monetary gift? You can do that yourself even without the other members. I'm sure your pastor will appreciate whatever you can give.
Can you *PLEASE* put timestamps for the different topics in the description or comment section
Bro, Papias is wrong on so many things. Why take his word on anything?
Jamie Hendrickson interpretation of a text is one thing....but authenticity of the words within a text is another :)
What is he wrong on?
@@constantineofamerica1555 Papias said Matthew wrote first in Hebrew, then later in Greek. Our Matthew was an original Greek composition that copies Mark and Luke word for word in many places. So, Matthew could not have written the first gospel. Why would an eyewitness copy from noneyewitnesses? Papias said that Mark wrote his gospel based upon the teachings of Peter. That is unlikely given how short Mark’s gospel is. Papias also has Judas Iscariot swelling up to the size of a cart so that he could not fit in the street. Google Papias on Judas and see what tall tales he tells. Papias, writing around 125, was not in a position to know who wrote gospels in the 70s that circulated anonymously until well after his death.
@@kenpostudent702 It is actually very possible that Matthew originally wrote in Aramaic. The reason Luke and Matthew used Mark as a reference is because Mark got his information from the Head Apostle Peter, whereas Matthew was a lesser apostle, and Luke was not one of the 12. To say that Mark didn't get his information from Peter because it is short is just speculation and an unjustified assertion.
@@constantineofamerica1555 So, he copied word for word from Mark? Still unlikely. Peter was the Head Apostle? Debatable because James resolved the conflict in Acts 15. In Acts 8, Peter was sent by the other apostles. Paul rebukes Peter publicly. Not good evidence that Peter is the boss. We have never found a copy of Matthew in Aramaic or Hebrew. Our Greek versions do not show the hallmarks of translation from either Hebrew or Aramaic. Matthew’s gospel has anachronistic terms that suggest it was written later than the lives of the original Apostles. If Matthew copied Mark, Papias is wrong because Matthew was supposedly written first.
49:19 My name was highly unusual when I was born, 30-some years ago. Now it's become one of the most popular first names. It's not easy being a trend-setter!
This channel is awesome! Thanks 🙏
Guess I'm 4yrs late hearing about you losing your teaching job. You let people know where we can donate if we'd like to more often. I wouldn't be offended. Also, you're one of the best teachers I've found in a long a time. I've really grown quite a bit in just a short period of time because of you my man. I feel confident speaking about those topics with which I've listened to your studies.
Mike, have you done anything on the dating of Revelation? Pre or after A.D. 70. If so, send me a link.
21:32 “you just know it” very convincing.
well thats kinda out of context of what he said
Mike, what does the Bible say about once saved always saved, not Calvinism, but the idea once you are saved you will always be saved. If it is not true does this somewhat line up with the Roman Catholic view on mortal end venial sins? I do think we cannot lose it as in not be good enough for it but I do think we can abandon it. We can come out of a spirit of repentance.
Im glad your ministry is continuing.
Have you heard of the Chester Beatty Biblical Papyri collection? Some sections are dated to the 2nd century.
Two. HUNDRED. years later, and someone somewhere wrote a narrative? That's like writing about the Revolutionary War nowadays.
Mike, great live stream brother.
This name thing is pretty awesome because I always wondered if these names were accurate or an english translation or another reason that these names could have been transmuted over time. That's really cool!
Thank you for your ministry
I love the beginning of Luke too!!
I stumbled on a Bart Erhman video and was a bit shaken by it. That week at church Bart Erhman was quoted as a good source in the sermon. I know your content and trust your research and was very pleased to see you specifically debunking Erhman in this video. Shaking over. Thanks Pastor Mike
Hi pastor mike. I’m waiting for part 2 of Hebrew roots movement. Can you please do a video on how to evaluate someone for false teaching? Specifically word of faith and/or prosperity doctrines. Thank you!
QUESTION: Have you read the older book, Protestant Biblical Interpretation, ( 3rd Revised Edition, but any edition is fine) by Bernard Ramm? If so, what is your overall take on it? I bought and read it in the 1980s, in response to Theologian Walter Martin's recommendation, on one of his shows. I think it is a stellar introduction to hermeneutics and exegesis. Especially as it narrows its own lens as being from a conservative, Protestant, biblical point of view, ( acknowledging the inerrancy of the scriptures), yet does not use that to defend distinctive doctrines. There is room for differing non-essential doctrines, in Protestant denominations, but not essential ones. He describes it as, "The science and art of biblical interpretation," meaning that the goal is to find and bring forth the original intent of the author. Not to prove our individual pre-existing agenda. And sometimes, one must look at a whole passage and find the bigger context in which that statement was given. Cultural, understanding is essential for accuracy. There is an art to pulling variables together, which is honed by practice. And sharpened by the scientific element.
Ultimately, this book has touched me, with its unforgettable maxim to always keep in mind when reading and interpreting the Bible:
"The goal is to find and bring forth the original intent of the author."
What is the INTENT of THE AUTHOR. Drop the rest. 🙂✝️
Q: why don’t you do a full video or series on the apostles work after Jesus’ resurrection and early Christian reception? Including historical evidence, as you can. If he already has this, will someone point me to it?
Can you tell us the spelling of some of the names on the biography of Jesus so I can look them up?
In the case for Samson, Didn't Peter say that when Jesus died He went and preached to the time of Noah, and that many turn towards God... So if one wasn't "saved" at death, wouldn't it be okay to assume that Samson might have repented and turn towards the Lord?
Hey Mike, could you talk about the Jesus seminar? Professors at my college put stock in them and I would like to know more.
It existed roughly twenty years ago and it was a seminar of scholars to determine what Jesus actually said. They would vote and color code Jesus’ saying based on it’s authenticity.
I think it was valuable. Unfortunately, there are not many sayings that can go back to the historical Jesus.
Is it true that the story of the woman caught in adultery was added into the gospel of John? And the end of mark was added?
Yes.