Refuting Six and a Half Reasons Why the Bible Is Not Divinely Inspired?
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Today we analyze a skeptic's case against the Bible's inspiration. The article we are examining is from the web site patheos.com and is called "Six and A Half Reasons Why The Bible Is Not Divinely Inspired". We'll look at each of these reasons, one at a time, and thoughtfully examine the case against the inspiration of the Bible. I find that skeptics attacks on the Bible are sometimes thrown out there without much self-reflection and I hope that carefully thinking through these objections will reveal that they are unsound. My greatest hope is that a skeptic will watch this video and find that they have been rejecting the Bible for unsound reasons. Your comments are welcome.
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It is the difference between reading scripture with or without the Holy Spirit. As an atheist, I read the Bible just to pick it apart and wave how nonsensical it all is in the faces of Christians. Fast forward to now and I am a Christian. The same book is all new and makes great sense.
Amen! Same thing happened to my husband and I, being reborn in Christ is an awesome, powerful blessing :)
Same thing happened to me. The Holy Spirit opens up and guides us through the scriptures. Luke 24:45 explains this very clearly. We all must be born again John 3:5-8 in order to find freedom and true peace in this world. After we are born again John 20:20-22, we are complete in and by Christ; not perfect, but complete.
Leads you into Truth!
Yes... amen
Wow dude! You need to tell people your story
I used the book of proverbs to help someone I loved to leave a gang. The book of proverbs gave great advice on that matter. I thank God for helping in finding that book I desperately needed at the time.
I've used Proverbs in dealing my my wife and child. Kinda scary to do, frankly, to trust ancient wisdom with here & now issues (esp. the part about "Whoever spares the rod spoils his child"). But, it's good to have a playbook of ideas.
"The Bible isn't organized the way I think it should be. Therefore, God clearly doesn't exist."
Excellent reasoning. 👍
A lot of arguments against God can often be summed up as "I don't know why God does X, therefore he doesn't exist"
The Bible is 1 book containing multiple books, therefore it is organised but will never fit as if one book writen by one person. Taken as multiple books which it is, it all ties together
@@helenbond8893 That's called a codex.
@@SheikhMawini of course, but not everyone would understand the meaning of “codex” so it is therefore worth explaining in plain speech
@@helenbond8893 I agree. But Rockiness wants to show us how much smarter he is than most everyone else.
Usually when someone makes a point of saying "I've read the bible" they haven't.
Or, at best, read parts of it purely through a western 21st century lens with a refusal to actually try to understand it from its actual context
I don’t believe many people who say they’ve read through Chronicles. It’s like reading a phone book.
@@kymmoore853 I’ll be honest, when I was a teenager I tried reading the Old Testament and I skipped most of Chronicles. I only read the kings that had actual stories with them.
@@SheikhMawini if I had to confess, I use Chronicles to this day as a sleeping aid 😂
That's so true. I've talked to people who claim that they have "read the Bible" and still seem to know nothing about it. So I learned to ask "well, how much have you read in the Bible?" In most cases, they quickly change subject...
Thank you for the edification. It’s great to have members in the body of Christ who can tackle such heavy issues. God bless
Jesus Christ Saves...I agree, brother. I don't necessarily need it for myself, although it is very edifying as you said, but I study apologetics because I have children that are entering High School and soon, college. I want to expose them to the assault that will come on their faith, and show them there are answers to the attacks.
I don't think the enemy is using topics like evolution to attack as much, because science is really not on their side, and so they are focusing all of their guns on the Bible and the Character of God. I think they know that this is how they get people to doubt and walk away from the faith. it goes something like this: Call into question God's character (is God all loving and good? if so why did he kill the Canaanites, etc...he must be a murderer), and use examples like that to diminish God's goodness and His standing as the standard for morality, and then attack the Word of God to prove that God is not all knowing, therefore just another made up deity and/or prove that the Bible is not the Word of God, therefore all this stuff about sin, needing a savior, Jesus dying on the Cross is just a made up story, therefore you should abandon the myths and treat them like Greek Mythology. All of this is to call into question Christ, and get you to abandon your faith in Him. And this tactic works really well, to lead the uninformed astray, unfortunately.
Bless you, man.
These same people are using this tactic in the exact same manner to kill patriotism in America. Call into question the character of the founders, then attack anything they wrote as illegitimate because they are not men of good character. Therefore, the Constitution is not legitimate, so we need to replace the whole system with something else. It's no coincidence that the communists/leftists who are working to destroy America are the same atheists working to destroy God, specifically the Biblical God. If you can get people to believe there is no God, and we are all just animals, it gives them license to treat us like cattle. Just like they do in all communist countries. Steal your hope and faith, kill your spirit, and reduce you to only caring about your physical survival. That way you will do anything to acquire basic needs like food, clothing and shelter, including giving up your liberty and submitting to the state power. Communism is pure evil, Satanic even. It's no surprise to find out they are the ones who kicked and screamed to get God out of the public sight in America, while at the same time using the exact same tactic to de-legitimize our current Constitutional system.
Same people, using the same tactic on both. They also use this tactic to attack fathers and the family unit.
Not comparing the founders to God of course, but just exposing the people who do it to prove that it's just a tactic being used by the same group...Leftists with an agenda.
@@JoshDub78 patriotism and love for the Constitution is fidelity to the state, not to God. It is idol worship. The Constitution was written by men, not God. It has either authorized the current system we have or has been completely powerless to prevent it. If you are a follower of Christ, remember you are a citizen of heaven, not any earthly kingdom.
Amen brother!!!! God bless homie!!!
@@jdm11060 exactly. True Christians don't idolize a president the way the far right has. We are citizens of heaven, not earthly kingdoms indeed.
"For the preaching of the Cross is to them that perish Foolishness , but to us who are saved it is the Power of God" 1 Corinthians 1:18
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As usual Mike answers questions and opposition in a thoughtful, logical, biblically educated, fair and non offensive manner.
I really like Mikes approach and sense of irony. Its great to find a very Biblical, knowledgeable guy, with balance and a true sense of humility. Many today, so full of knowledge are puffed up like pregnant Penguins and have surely forgotten that Love edifies. Keep up the God word young Saint and let us all pray God brings many truth seekers across your website. Blessings from a very lost Spain.
Osteen and Copeland could never be able to outsmart Mike Winger. in a debate.
@@kevinbrislawn5918 it would be fun to see them try!
I love listening to Mike's Bible Thinker podcast on Spotify. He is a well rounded Bible teacher and kind. God bless him!
You're making an excellent point and I totally agree, but I just choked on my coffee at the pregnant penguin comment. 😂😂😀
Of course you do, because you buy the same ole horseshit he does.
To Point #1: If the Bible had all info on a given subject in one book/chapter, that section could be corrupted or lost over time and all that teaching would be lost, altered or diminished. Instead, teachings are distributed throughout so as to prevent having a teaching lost through an attack on a single book or chapter. Pretty smart of God to do that!
And the Bible is not entirely supposed to be a rule book of life, it's a story.
You've provided such rich resources for us by your hard work, Mike. Even 4 years after you streamed this I can watch and be edified and educated by your presentation. It's awesome. Thank you.
I am legit wheezing at #3.
If the Bible--which, according to its own testimony, was breathed out by an incomprehensibly vast, indescribably glorious Triune being (I can hear the Unitarians screeching in the distance)--was easy to understand, wouldn't this do more to undermine its case for divine inspiration than otherwise?
Exactly!
No, it wouldn’t. It was written at our level, not God’s level. Seems pretty straight forward that God inspired the writing of the Bible to be at the level of the recipient, us. We do that all the time with children’s books, math and physics books, etc.
@@coloradodutch7480 But then the skeptics would say "But the Bible's claiming it itself that it's inspired, therefore it's not inspired" and making claims like that would only undermine the truth of that statement.
How does a flawed, sinful, carnally minded, unspiritual, and arrogant man going to criticize a Holy, loving, all knowing, all powerful, and long-suffering and forgiving God. If the word is not clear then it is the mind of the reader not the Word." The just shall live by faith", yes I believe that the Bible is God's word not cause I understand all but cause I believe that " God is true" I'm fallen but God sits on high and I trust Him
Hi, Mike. I hope you read this-I have been enjoying your videos. You missed an obvious response to the claim that "Every single action of God in the Bible... took place inside that little circle." 51:15 The Bible mentions by name places from Spain (Romans 15) to India (Esther 1 and 8) to Ethiopia (mentioned 38 times). And several whole books of the Bible were written from Rome or Greece. But I think the verses that apply best to all the atheist quibbles are Isaiah 55 : 9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." and Matthew 11 : 25 "...thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes." The quote from Isaiah shows that the thoughts of God are in a higher dimension than ours. It is not through our own wisdom, but only through God's gracious revelation to us, that we can even begin understand them. The passage from Matthew (and several similar verses) make the point that it is not the purpose of God's word to satisfy the idle curiosity of mockers. God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble. Atheists make themselves the judge of God, and think that God is somehow obligated to prove his existence to them. It is not God's purpose to convince everyone, but to reveal himself to the humble. If the atheist does not understand this, it is a not a bug-it is a feature.
So true
The book of Job specifically tackles the Problem of Evil.
@@theodosios2615 It seems that you have no idea what "theodicy" is.
What part of Job explains why animals suffer? Thanks.
@@kensey007 job: people. Genesis: animals.
@@kensey007 Sin, it's because of our choices. We cursed the entire creation.
@jaden_skywalker Animals suffered for millions and millions of years before any people existed.
Also, you didn't explain where that is in the book of Job. If ypu want to say Genesis, then you are just agreeing with me that Job does jot fully explain the problem of evil.
So often what skeptics see as proof for refute, I hear as proof of truth. The Bible can be « difficult « or not easy to interpret because it’s wildly deep, interconnected. I’m a nerd and I love to study, learn, read, explore. The Bible is massively interwoven and it speaks to me in new ways all the time but from a personal level. The Bible is delicately persevered and yet speaks to everyone who receives it with an open heart and mind. I have a doctorate but no book I’ve ever read has the amazing truth, impact, influence that is in the word. I benefit every time I spend time with God in His word! Thank you Mike. I pray that all of us have listening ears and an open mind. Please soften your hearts for the love, grace and mighty influential power of our Creator !!!!
I'm guessing when the guy who wrote this article was a kid he wrote "Six and a Half Reasons I Shouldn't Have To Clean My Room".
Six and half reasons I hate my parents.
Six and a half men!
When he was a teenager he wrote 'Six and a half reasons why you should go out with me'. Didn't work, is my guess.
You believe a lie and replete it enough others will believe and share the lies. That is how all religions work not just all christian churches.
I'm very glad I have found your videos. I was struggling, on top of infertility, with exactly these cynical attacks on the Bible. I haven't made it all the way through the Bible, and so there is much I don't understand simply because I haven't seen it yet. But hearing you talk about the argument, and how the tactics work, takes away the power behind it.
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keep going Debbie. Every word of the Bible is worth reading. Jesus is the Word of God. The universe was created by the word of God. Chuck Missler, who worked for Boeing in the aerospace industry and was no fool, said that the Bible is an integrated message system from beyond the dimensions of time and space. You can find him on RUclips talking about why he says that. God bless you.
Start with the Torah and gospels, get a good foundation before attempting letters of Paul.
And round the Well how oft my Soul
doth grope
Athirst; but lo! my Bucket hath no
Rope:
I cry for water, and the deep, dark
Well
Echoes my wailing cry, but not my hope.
Ah, many have I seen of those who
fell
While drawing, with a swagger, from
the Well;
They came with Rope and
Bucket, and they went
Empty of hand another tale to tell.
The I in me standing on the brink
Would leap into the Well to get a
drink;
But how to rise once in the depth,
I cry,
And cowardly behind my logic slink.
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when you spoke about Dr. Seuss’ writings being inspired and said one fish, two fish 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 i love this guy. God bless your service pastor mike!!!
Why we have to flip back and forth ? Because God is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him .. the more we learn and know the word , the more of a revealed eternal treasure it becomes
Exactly and while we search for our specific answer we learn so much more along the way that we would (maybe) not have read at that time.
when you do research, why do you have to use more than one source? The Bible is a collection of books. Sometimes, a theme is in multiple places or comes through a story or specific situation. If you want a fuller picture of God's opinion of a matter, it makes sense to "flip pages" and look at all instances of the matter
LOL! "His example of bad prophecy is JESUS' example of bad prophecy!" That really made me laugh.
@@amyrenee1361 For starters, the most historically certain fact about Jesus is His death by crucifixion.
In the Book of Isaiah it says "The Messiah will be pierced for our transgressions."
Just one example.
Also, many facts about the ministry of Jesus, including things like miracles and messianic prophecies, are acknowledged in older editions of the Talmud, which A) is not the Bible and B) written by people who were opposed to Jesus and had every reason to deny Jesus' miracles and messianic fulfillment.
@@InitialPC it doesn't say Messiah anywhere in that prophecy
@@Greyz174 Isaiah 52-3 has been accepted as a Messianic prophecy for thousands of years. Yes, it doesn't say Messiah, but indirectly quoting it you could say Messiah instead of just 'he'. So you're both right.
Besides, the bible is organised- by type of book. The histories, laws, psalms, prophesies, gospel (history again) and letters. Just because it wasn’t organise how he’d like it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t have its own methodology.
The only thing I say is if you believe with your heart in Christ you are given the the Holy Spirit Who lets you know the truth and the truth will set you free because where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom. Bless you all
The Holy Bible IS God’s Inerrant Inspired Word!
The first time l read a bible l was in jail ,that was 55 years ago,,l thank god every day that mrs Fitchitt taught me to read.
The Bible Project beautifully outlines how perfectly organised the Bible is 😊
Organised as a frat party in a brewery.
@@PortmanRd No. Actually, it's organized quite nicely. It starts with Genesis and then the other 4 books of Moses, than Joshua, then Judges and Ruth. Then Samuel and Kings. Chronicles comes next and then Ezra and Nehemiah. Obviously, you could argue about the placement of Job and Esther (Job coming from the Patriarchal era and Esther being from before Ezra and Nehemiah.) Then it transitions over to poetry books (and Job does fit in nicely with Proverbs and Ecclesiates), and then prophets. So the OT is organized in a way that follows the story. The NT gives us the Gospels, and then Acts and the epistles and then the letters with names of people and finally Revelations. Perhaps you're like Matt, wanting it to be a guide book for life, neatly organized by subject. Well that's not what the Bible's for. It's telling a story, and for example, Kings and Chronicles cover similar ground, but remember it's written at different times. They weren't sitting next to each other, making sure that they were covering different topics. It's the Jews who put the OT into the Tanakh, aand then the Church putting the NT books together with the Tanakh. The very fact that the Bible is as connected as it is is truly awe inspiring, and I have no idea what book you've been looking at, because the Bible has so many connections and tie-ins. It's telling the true story of God's kingdom, God's covenant, and Jesus. It's not a 'Follow these rules and your life will be 100% better' book. It's a book telling you what's wrong, what God's people were told to do and what they did, what God told His people about how He would fix it, how He's fixing it, our response and finally, how it's all going to end.
Organization is also very subjective. The phone book is well organized if you need to find someone by their last name. But not if you want to know who is has the same first three digits of their phone number. Or, if you want to have the phone numbers by family, i.e. relatives. If that was your standard for what is well organized, then the phone book is not well organized. Such a bad point for evaluating inspiration. Great point Mike!
His first two "problems" are the same thing; he wants the Bible organised the way HE wants and because it is not he claims it couldn't possibly be inspired. Very intellectually dishonest to claim to have 6.5 reasons but the first 2 (so far) are the exact same thing !
I don't know how you have patience to deal with someone who is only trying to trip you up and are not sincere.
there is no Santa clause and magic is a delusion. I am sincere.
Isiah 53 is alone enough proof for me. The so clear and obvious prophecy about Jesus blows me away everytime I love it!
There's a reason why Jews have weekly readings and read Isiah 52 and 54 but for some reason always skip 53....
@@jackfoot1257 ive been curious about why jews wouldn't want Jesus to be the messiah. They don't even have the proper setup for practicing their faith without a temple with Levites to sacrafice according to the scriptures. The hardness of heart in the modern jewish culture is extremely sad.
@@brandongoss6971 Maybe pride because then they're not special anymore
@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr very well could be
"Even the simple minded should be able to understand"
Peter said Paul's teachings can be difficult to understand, but if there is something you don't understand or it seems like what he said goes against what Jesus said, then just go with what Jesus said.
We aren't called to understand every little bit, we are all called to understand Jesus'teachings, so this guy should start there.
The disrespect you get from this chat group makes me angry. I have to ignore it. You are a saint. Such Patience! It's a wonder you even allow yourself to be abused like this. You and A.J. Bernard are both very impressive in the way you handle these awful people.
I'll be checking out Wisdom in the Word! Thank you Mike.
I'm loving this channel, with family in the JW Organization I use your peaceful aproach to answer them and have even managed to help them find truth (slowly). I truly hope God blesses you for all you've done to help us baby Christians among others.
I wonder if "Terry Firma" wrote any snarky articles attacking the koran...or the hindu books...or any other religious tomes
I searched in Wikipedia "41,000 interpretations of the bible". Wikipedia came up with 4100 interpretations instead and it says "The page "4100 interpretations of the bible" does not exist."
The original premise is moot. They have nothing to judge inspiration/non inspiration by.
Appreciate this teaching Mike as I have had this sort of comment from friends. I have to admit that I found the Bible difficult to read in the beginning of my walk with the Lord. Actually, for a big part of my life, I'd pick it up at times and give it a go only to find it all too hard. Then, after prayer teachers like yourself started appearing in my life. Now, 8 years on it has become so much clearer and makes sense of life and our human condition. I just regret that it took me so long. I'm so grateful for your teaching of the greatest book on earth, for yesterday, today and tomorrow. The texts speak to me now, I can read the same verse over and over and get a new or different insight each time. The way it speaks for itself tells me very loudly that it is inspired, without question or doubt. I urge Matt to read it and then ask in prayer for understanding...it will definitely come to you, every time. Blessings to all.
By this guy's standards, nothing could be true since his gauge of truth is whether or not he likes it's structure.
Thanks Mike, take care, God's blessings back at you and thanks.
I've got to say, I appreciate you Mike. That's all :)
Mike, another reason for why the Bible might not be easy for everyone to understand, is because the Bible says that it is written in a way that only believers with the Holy Spirit will truly understand the Word of God. God doesn’t want everyone to understand the Bible. He wants His children to understand it. He doesn’t cast His pearls to the pigs. Only those who truly seek Him and His Word, will find the truth (God). Thank you for your amazing work and obedience to God. And for tackling the difficult topics with and in love.
The typical skeptic argument for God's non-existence goes something like this: 1) If I were God, things would be a certain way 2) Things are not that certain way 3) Therefore there is no god.
God made human beings to exercise their emotional capacity in loving each other. But He obviously expects us to recognize Him as the Creator and also have love and reverence for Him. Which is fair,no? He is not preparing us for a cosmic purpose or so that we feed His power or whatever! He is in control of His creation including the satan's actions. Our test is to love each other properly in our assigned bodies and refusing to harm others no matter how much their words or actions pain you emotionally. Mental disturbances are emotional disturbances and are the reasons for murder,assaults and any evil you could think of. That emotional fragility is your test and not accumulation of wealth and accomplishments. It is self-sacrificial love even when it doesn't benefit you or even when it actually harms you. That is the narrow path that leads you to God the Christ. People who go to hell are never confused as to why they are there- indifference towards others or outright hostility. God wants you to care for others even when they are trying to harm you.
So, now we know why Dr. Seuss was so popular! Easy words for the reading challenged...
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Very good Mike. And I am glad you don't waste too much time on audio and video synchronization when it gets out.
I am trying to get a channel up and find technicalities like that are too time consuming, at least for a beginner.
Hi mike! please could you do a video on the books you recommended christians to read to enable them tongrow knowledge in refuting atheism as well as growing them to be more knowledgeable on the Word of God?
0:31 "...so *we* are going to tackle this article..." reaches over and pets the cat (sorry, I forgot its name).
Cat wants you to change your RUclips channel to "Mike Winger and Cat."
How do we know that the Bible is the onspired word of God? Only because the teaching authority of the Catholic Church, the Church founded by Christ, says so.
It was the bishops of the Cathokic Church, meeting at Hippo, North Africa in 393, that discerned which Books should go in the Bible and which books not.
How could someone say the bible is not well organized... That is the strangest criticism I have heard... Very weak arguments...
This is embarrassing. God didn’t just sit down one day and decide to write the Bible. The Bible was written over thousands of years by different people, through different perspectives, showing different times and the progress and regression of humanity. Without such a vast array of perspectives, details, history, poetry, etc. we would not be able to comprehend The Bible in such a nuanced way, universally and for all time. The Bible sometimes tells, but a lot of the time it shows what cannot be simply told through (true) stories, including Jesus’s parables.
On the topic of atheist lists of contradictions, simply hold them to the same standard. Find one contradiction you can refute and then dismiss the entire list as untrustworthy.
Their response will be, "Well, that's just one example and I don't pretend that it's infallible." While all of that is true, they still subscribe to their beliefs based on their sources (replacement for Scripture) being superior (in trustworthiness, quality of information, etc.) which is what you need to point out before, again, simply dismissing the rest of their list.
One of the most useful things in debating things like this is merely to hold the atheist ("hashtag science") to his own standards and the supposed superiority of his position. Don't get caught up in their games.
It's essential to remember that 99% of the time, they're not looking for a win, they're looking to score points and any potential loss of a point just leads to them shifting the goalposts. For example, when I was young, the "hashtag science" atheists of my time were all about geography and archaeology noting that there simply weren't the locations of the Bible to be found were they claimed to be and in the few cases they were, there was no supporting archaeological evidence. The issue was these supposed experts didn't understand the names had changed over time and in fact, once located, the archaeological evidence was compelling.
Did they admit their errors? Did they use the new enlightenment of evidence for the Bible to adjust their methodology when studying the Bible (moving from pure skepticism to one of reasonable trust?)? Nope. They just shifted the goalposts. That's why you don't here those arguments any more.
There is no intent on their behalf to deal honestly and this is one of Mike's fatal flaws, regularly treating as though they are dealing honestly. Scripture tells us they are not and we should not treat them as though they are.
We can still be decent to them but there is near zero reason to belief that they are engaging honestly.
Psalm 113:130 "“The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.” KJV. I had the privilege of knowing a simpleton who was indeed a Christian. She asked me if we would know if one of our loved ones did not get to enter God's Kingdom. I did not have the answer. She went on to explain her belief that it would be as if we had never known them. She never mentioned Matthew 25. But, out of the mouth of Babes in Christ, she repeated what is written in Matthew 25 almost verbatim. I always remember this verse whenever someone not as schooled gives a very simplistic answer. I do not elaborate on their answer thereby disrupting their level of understanding. God Bless
Good job Mike. Your passion about our Bible really shows. I feel the same as you do.
Brother Winger;
I have asked atheists, numerous times, "What evidence would be sufficient, to convince them that God exists?"
Several times they have said "I don't know, but your God would know."
How do I effectively approach this?
I think you’re on the right track. With people who are very obstinate the best thing you can do in my opinion is to get them to think, not be argumentative and to pray for them. To be specific, I would ask them 1 or both of these questions; 1. IF there were irrefutable evidence for God (don’t get into specifics), would you believe? 2 Make sure to say this with a genuine sense of curiosity, “Do you hope you’re wrong?” Just remember, all you can do is present The Gospel with love and kindness and pray for them. If you do that then you’ve done your job and God is pleased. God bless you and your family
@@jeffcmolik thank you for the advice! You're absolutely correct. God bless yours as well!
I love the laugh at the beginning! I watched it AGAIN since the joyful laughter was such a blessing. Thank you. Ok. Back to the video. Blessings in Jesus!🙋
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1:00:00 he totally misses the real ending. Basicly saying this is what it was like in the time of the judges, when everyone did what was right in their own eyes instead of listening to God. Like this is the end result when people groups turn from God. Which had been proven time and time again as we saw with germany in ww2. They rejected God in favor of evolution and eugenics. The end waz the devaluation of human lives and violence. Honestly I've found this happens a lot. It's always been a heart issue in my experience. Not a heart that wants to know the Truth. A heart set to hate God and his people presumptuously, so he's going to totally make stuff up. Idk if someone died choose to him or he was hurt by hypocrites that claimed to follow Jesus, bit something like that is usually behind someone willing to go to such illogical lengths to fight "christianity" and the good God of Abraham. He's suppressing the Truth in unrighteousness, and unless he's totally reprobated i believe he knows that's what he's doing. Whether he believes it's not True anyway so it doesn't matter if he does so, I'm not sure. Hearts that aren't set to finding Truth aren't gonna see the Truth. They'll continue to suppress and reject the things of God in pride. From what I've seen in my limited experience. The first step to believing is always humbling ourself. Its sad. It's such a little thing and yet the pride of life traps so many in a snare.
I pray he has turned but I have my doubts on the subject. If he has the arrogants to make this article his heart is extremely hard to the truth
At 37:28 you ask if we can think of anything that is not subject to interpretation? "Subject to interpretation" means open to more than one interpretation. And the answer to your question is yes: mathematics, operator instruction manuals, service manuals, legal contracts, legal rulings, science textbooks, scientific papers published in peer-reviewed journals, and anything else that is considered to be too important to be open to more than one interpretation.
One of the saddest comments I have ever heard is from a Christian youth who said to me "Well no, I've never read the whole thing, but I've heard enough to know what's in there". Hearing these reasons made me think of that.
A great majority of young people get their information online these days, and the internet is a grand and often undifferentiated blend of hearsay, factual information, entertainment memes, echo-chamber social self-congratulation, and targeted propaganda. Whenever I hear about someone saying of the Bible: 'Well, no, I've never read the whole thing but I've heard enough to know what's in there.' I also wonder WHO has been telling them what they've heard-did it come from other young people, from conservative Bible scholars, from Marxists/atheists who have an axe to grind against the Bible and who say ANYTHING about it in order to gain advantage, from liberal Bible scholars (e.g., Bart Ehrman) or other popularizers of German Higher Critical-derived venom, etc.? Probably just as bad, WHO doesn't read something-completely-for themselves first in order to at least BEGIN a valid assessment of it?
Something's wrong with the video. The audio gets unsynched halfway through.
Yeah, sorry about that. It’s some glitch that happened on RUclips’s side of things.
Either editing error, or a connection error. Most likely a connection error because it’s a live stream.
With careful editing here, you might be able to shift the video to match the audio. I've done something similar. However, you will lose the live chat.
One of my favorite things about wiki's are the citations, and their warnings and explanations of when there are a lack of them.
I'd like to come back to pages and see their bibliography grow, links figured out, and those warnings slowly diminish whenever there are more(hopefully correct) answers.
It's not only helpful to realize but honest, and gathering true knowledge should have that experience!
Feels a little like reading a book and being in the middle of watching it finished, and learning from it. :)
Revisited this recently: still a great livestream. Thanks for what you do!
I am glad that there is somebody like you that will take their time to study the Bible and go toe-to-toe with those atheist who always wants to put down the word of God. And I know you don't do it just to go at them you do it because you care of those who listen to those people and might be brainwashed. God bless you brother
To demonstrate the Bible's divine inspiration, identify a single verse in it that could not have been written by a man without divine inspiration.
There are as many interpretations as there are denominations, religions and entities who have, are and ever will live all combined.
too bad about the picture and sound screwed up, i think the cause would be a low battery. I still understood your points.
Thank you. I noticed that, too, and was afraid it was just me.
Some practice advice in Proverbs that it took me a while to recognise, but when I did it made me laugh out loud it’s so true:
If you loudly bless your neighbour early in the morning, it will be counted as a curse. See Proverbs 27:14 NIV
The Bible goes from the minutiae of daily life, to the grand eternal plan. God is a great writer.
YES THE SIMPLE PEOPLE LIKE THE ATHEIST ASKING THE QUESTION !!! DO ATHEIST AGREE ON WHAT PART OF HELL THEY WANT TO BURN IN ??? It would be nice to see what matt would say when Christ ask him how he can exalt himself to be the judge of ALMIGHTY GOD ??? MY theory of that moment would involve matt releasing his bladder and bowels … anyone without reverence and profound fear of GOD is foolish... psalms 14:1.
We are here in the Philippines and the Catholics often cite 41k denominations.
and mike denies every church was started because someone read the bible.... what it says about almost everything can be inspiring. I'm guessing he is nondenominational because ......
"practical life advice"?
He needs to realize that life isn't simple, it takes wisdom. If he can't be bothered to read a little tiny book...
You look like Tim Tebo’s brother. God bless you Mike, keep spreading the logic and truth of God’s word!
Pastor Mike, love your teachings and it has been a source of growth for me. Some truths are hard but still worth the time watching as well as thinking on it.
In this video, was the definition of divinely inspired discussed?
What would be the criteria?
The whole issue of particles and waves is assuming science now is correct and will not change, like it has done 100's of times over time. The book of Job speaks of paths in the sea which was only discovered to be correct in the 20th century. Job also speaks about electricity carrying messages. Leviticus and the sanitary laws, enough said !
Can you give me the verse about electricity carrying messages?
@@cheviors2252 I don't know of any. Do you know of one?
If according to Bible scholars there are additions to the text that are not found in early transcripts how do you know who had the Holy Spirit? If you say early then later is wrong if you say later early is wrong if you say both then God allowed a later addition you have to ask why? Bible says God is not the author of confusion?
If mind-blowing scientific truths were put forth in a Iron Age text, how many ppl would have rejected it between then and now? Great point, Mike.
Thank you for your positivity and service for the Kingdom of God. I was stressed out and frustrated and came here to tune out, get my biblical medicine, and to re-center. It has helped.
I think I may have debated that guy on Capturing Christianity's discussion page. Sounds just like him.
Your channel's helped me a lot so far!!Can you do a video on Sola Scriptura?
I intend to but I’m not sure when.
“If God wants his message to be understood by everyone, then even simple-minded people should be able to understand his book.”
So he admits to being simple-minded?
Also, where does this writer get the impression that God wants everyone to understand?
A) Yes
B) Yes, but simple doesn't mean people will say yes. After all, everyone wants to be their own king, ego's the only thing stopping people from converting.
I hope you have all of your work backed up somewhere because I can't get enough and with the way our world is going I worry about us loosing our freedom in America to speak truth. Been binge watching for about two months. Thank you so much for this needed ministry. No one else explains it as well in humility and careful consideration. Love you.
Ooh. I read the Judges passage recently, so I remembered because I was confused too. When I kept reading I figured out the full story. Judges 20:1-6 you get the full context. She was already dead. If I am wrong plz correct me, but I'm am very sure he didn't cut her to pieces alive in the passage
Hey Mike! Love your messages. Just wondering if you're going to tackle the flat earth issue?
What's the issue with it you speak of?
The Bible is perfect. How can anybody say it's 'a mess?' It starts out with Creation in the first chapter, and ends with the last millennium, the last 1000 years out of a total of 7000 years, telling us what to expect during that last period of time before everything finally enters into an eternity of bliss, everyone having been tested and found either worthy or failing their test. There won't be any souls in eternity who have not been tested thoroughly to find out who the Meek are who will inherit the Earth.
Then we have God's people, some who knew Jesus personally, and giving an account of His life and teachings. LIke the 4 gospels, written by 4 witnesses, yet all agreeing.
Then we have epistles of Paul to the churches. Paul was an amazing person who started out as an enemy, unbeliever, but when he converted and repented there was no one who worked harder or sacrificed more than Paul to start the churches and minister to the believers.
The Old Testament has prophets and accounts of the lives of God's people. Knowing these details is so helpful to me. I read about Joseph, and figure if he could endure all that he did that I can put up with some persecution myself, and not to be amazed or shocked that it's happening.
The Bible tells us everything we need to know about our own lives, where we are headed and what God expects from us, and details on the lives of other believers, where they succeeded and failed. This is real life truth, written by real people who we know about historically. They existed, and the Bible is written by real people, yet it fits all together because God was inspiring them to write. It's not like the Bible was written by one man who stuck his head in his hat and dictated a lot of nonsense (ie Joseph Smith). It was written over a period of 1500 years, and it has a coherence that shows God was inspiring all of it.
I would not want to change one word of the Bible. I don't claim to know and understand every word of it, but it is so rich that I don't think any person can do that. That is more proof that it's God's book.
That's another thing -- it's God's book, and ultimately it's a book about God, so that we can read it and understand who our Creator God/Savior God is. It's not a book about Solomon or David or Peter or Paul in the end. Or Mary. All these people are incidental to God's Book that God wrote to us, so we can know God and know who He is and what He wants from us.
Anybody who thinks the Bible is 'a mess' -- is not interested in God, knowing God, or pleasing God, and looking for excuses to write God and God's Book off. There is nothing more important than knowing God, and we should be thanking God every day for our Bible. Many people don't own one, can't get one, and people in the 6000 years before us did not have a Bible as we do. Thank God for my Bible. I can't imagine my life without it. If the Christians were working harder to provide people the world over with a Bible in their own language, I don't think we'd be on the brink of WWIII as we are now.
Can we do a video on why it is divinely inspired? I like prophecy, but it doesn’t prove that every word is from God. How do we prove this?
I deffinatly think most is inspired.
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I'm having g progressively harder a time thinking every sentence. Is the un altered perfect word.
We have to remember that while yes most of are manuscripts over 2000 years worth are consistent.
But what about everything deadsea scroll era and back.
We don't have moses o.g. writing.
Or the scrolls the scribes and pharisee used.
So a additional 1800 years of texts is yet to be found. Cataloged etc.
1 thing that no mater how hard I pray. That is just throwing me. Off and I can't find any bible scholor that deals with this.
The deuteronomy virginity test.
Hymens dont break. During sex. That is a well established medical myth. Modern glynocologists couldn't tell u a womens sexual history by looking at a proper functioning non lacerated hymen.
What many don't realize it is a membrane similer to a eyelid or man's foreskin. It's meant to stretch. Not break.
Blood is cuased from forceful entry on a women who isn't aroused.
What many don't know is a womens vaginal canal erects during Arousal getting deeper. So as to allow entry
Before that it's small and narrow like a man is small and narrow when unaroused.
Like 1 or 2 inches deep.
During Arousal a womens body erects this tissue to about 7 inches.
If entry is forced it tears the walls of a womens vaginally canal. And there is the blood
Mike, thank you for this video. Please correct me if I'm wrong but as Christians we are filled and inspired by the Holy Spirit, we understand the Bible as we read and grow in spiritual maturity, therefore an atheist could not possibly understand fully the teachings or the inspiration behind those teachings? My personal experience confirms this theory, when I first started to read the Bible as an interested but unsaved person, I could not really fully understand the Scriptures, however, with perseverance came enlightenment which in turn strengthened my conviction in the truth, my understanding of any previous perceived contradictions were made clear, an atheist could never grasp this concept unless they were willing to explore this as a possibility, quit being stiff necked and maybe soften their hearts a little and allow themselves to consider this, I have gradually come to see the Bible is consistent, speaks for itself when we allow it to and reveals it's intellect and beauty as the Holy Spirit works within me, it's such a shame the atheist misses out on this experience! We need to pay for them, if they want to mock and scoff at what I say, fine, we get used to it!
I would agree with your understanding Hazel!
an interesting view....thanx....
I really love the argument that the Bible can't be divinely inspired because it doesn't fit man-made ideals.
exactly a god we like to think could or would communicate some how with people. It is said god did nothing for billions of years before people started bearing false witness of any gods. Mike say he could not wait till world communications had been created in the 1950;s
To the transgender question. I would say feeling yourself, or identifying yourself to be a different gender from your biological gender isn't a sin. Having an attraction to someone of your same gender isn't a sin. Sin comes into play based on how we act regarding those feelings. It's not a sin to have a serial killer mentality, but committing murders in a response to that mentality is. The important thing is how we act and our thoughts. Thinking about having sex with the same gender is different from simply having an attraction to a person of the same gender. The former is a sin, the latter is not. Of course, if you think about it, thoughts are actions and feelings are not. Thinking is an act, it's making decisions. Feelings are not actions, but can be acted upon, even if that action is just thinking about a physical act that we don't end up choosing to do.
Finding wisdom buried in youtube comments, always awesome to see
What about lust in your heart you've already committed adultery?
Identifying yourself as a different gender than what God created you is a sin because God said He created them male and female.
He created them, not you, and not our personal feelings.
It’s literally stomping all over the image of God to say that.
And yes, continuing to desire the same sex and not giving that up to Jesus is a sin whether you act on it or not.
We are supposed to hold our thoughts captive, and we are no longer slaves to sinful depraved minds.
Respectfully, I think you're discounting how prophetic the phrase "wars and rumors of wars" was, being that it was said during the paxromana and proceeding the year of the 4 emporors.
As you probably guessed, I'm a partial preterist!
Love your stuff, Mike!
The fact that the bible is written the way it is makes it realistic and not authored by human minds.
It’s conspicuous that so many atheist and skeptic apologists were either “former” Biblical theists or raised in that environment, which seems to indicate that their activism is driven by some personal animus and not by any evidence or rational thought. They had some bad experience in church or their religious home and now they have some axe to grind. Rarely will one encounter an atheist or skeptic who was raised in a home indifferent to religion and then grow up to be an activist skeptic.
I agree with Mike about reasons one through three not addressing or pertaining to whether or not the Bible is the word of God or inspired by God. But I got stuck on reason four: contradictions.
It is not intellectually honest to say there are no contradictions in the Bible. I would go further to say the Bible contains errors too. I appreciate Mike’s willingness to share his inerrancy bias, but it does not change the fact the Bible contains contradictions and errors. This does invalidate the Bible as the word of God. It shows it to be an anthology and a product of the human mind that it is.
Here a few major contradictions involving creation:
1. Genesis chapter one says animals were created on the day before humans.
2. Genesis chapter two says animals were created after Adam was created as helpers for him not to be alone.
3. Genesis chapter one creates humans as a group as male and female in the image of God. Both men and women are created in the image of God.
4. Genesis chapter two Adam is created first and woman is only created later as an after thought when God discovers the animals are not suitable helpers for Adam. Eve is a do-over.
Contradictions of Jesus’ birth:
1. According to Matthew, Jesus was born between 6 and 4 BCE.
2. According to Luke, Jesus was born in 6 CE.
3. According to Matthew, Mary and Joseph lived in Bethlehem and only later moved to Nazareth via Egypt.
4. According to Luke, Joseph and Mary lived in Nazareth, traveled to Bethlehem, and then returned to Nazareth.
5. TheJoseph genealogies list different ancestors.
Errors:
1. Matthew is mistaken that Isaiah 7:14 is a messianic prophecy predicting the virgin birth of Jesus.
2. Matthew invents OT texts
3. Mark gets OT stories wrong and names of rulers wrong.
Can you do a video on the commandments?
Thank you for answering the skeptics! May God bless you🎉
#6. Two things come to mind specifically. First is in Psalms, it mentions streams in the Ocean. Someone used that verse and actually discovered the ocean currents. The second is the instructions to bathe and wash hands, with running water, several times throughout the OT. It didn't give reasons for it, it was just expected. It was one of the reasons the Jews had a much lower infection rate during the black plague.
Only Jesus can change a Mess into a Message. Thank You LORD for all that you did for me almost 30 years ago on October 18, 1993. Some people in my family and I would say all of the friends said it would never last but that will be 30 years ago this year, and I never want to go back to my old way of life. I will follow Jesus all the days of my life and I will dwell in Heaven forever.
Regarding number six, another scientific statement for our generation is in Revelation 11:9 "And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves." Up until the 20th century, how could all nations see what was going on in any part of the world? It wasn't until recently that we could see a situation unfolding live.
At 1:03:40 you quote what he wants from God for “Bible 2.0” everything he wants is part of what and how I imagine the the man of sin will show himself to be god.
The issue Matt has is he doesn't like all the confusion on what does the Bible teach doctrine wise. The multiple denominations from what i have heard was a study done by a pew research i believe but they counted denominations multiple times such as the Catholic church for each country they are in instead of just a single time.
That Alexander the Great prophesy still blows my mind.
About the organization... I would also just add, in Isaiah it says "line upon line precept upon precept here a little there a little..." God actually designed the Bible specifically to be a book that had little bits of all the topics spread around. Like Chuck Missler would say with an engineering mindset, If you’re going to send a message into a hostile alien environment you spread the message throughout the available bandwidth. Like a hologram (which is illuminated only by the light in which it was created) if you rip out any page of the Bible you loose clarity of the hologram but you do not lose the image. You still have all the essential truths about the Bible because they are expertly crafted like this." Just like God says in Isaiah "here a little there a little". So I would say not only is it extremely well organized it also anticipates hostile jamming in a fallen creation. There’s no chapter on salivation neatly cataloged but it’s spread throughout the entire text... it’s not organized like a man writing it would organize it like we do the phone book or the dictionary. God is not like us, he’s way way way smarter and has a lot more to anticipate when He does His organization. Also if you consider how he organized not only the prophecies but also the lives of the patriarchs litterally lived out prophecy in real time in an organized fashion. God the creator is a God of order and organization (but not according to how man would organize). Is DNA then unorganized? It’s also a book God is the author of.
Long comment but it would Just be adding to your point
Great point, Lady!! I think Frank Turek, another apologist also brings that point referring to why there are 4 gospel books. I love the part about Chuck Missler. Really good stuff. Thanks for sharing
Nice! I was actually recalling this exact quote from Mr Missler. I was trying to remember his wording. Thanks!
matt clearly is not educated on the bible
Wth?? Name someone who is!
CI Create he said Matt the ‘skeptic’ not Mike.
I think a lot of people who say they have read the Bible haven’t really read it. It is so easy to understand one flow of thought.
The Bible isn’t easy to understand