yes this is one of the best women's finals I have seen up there with Williams/Davenport wimbledon 05' and Evert/Navrotalia 85/86 french and Serena/azarenka at the us open
@@jeffstell9146 Seles had not even reached her prime yet. Although they did start much earlier in those days. Graf winning the Golden slam at 18 or 19 i not sure the exact age.
If Monica hadn't been stabbed, we would have seen this kind of match throughout the 90's. Monica was getting stronger whilst Steffi getting bolder. History been altered.
I think only until 95 or 96. Seles's father was ill with cancer starting in 95 which would have seen her decline until mid 98, by which point the next generation which were full of bad match ups for her were taking over anyway. Graf meanwhile was pretty much done with injuries after the end of 96, apart from a brief comeback to form in mid 99.
Monica was already unbeatable here; at least on clay courts. As she was still getting stronger, she was well on her way to become the greatest of all time.
Monica would have easily completed two grand slams calendar year in her career. She was 19 and hardly at her peak in terms of physical strength. People are seeing the discontinuity in her development due to the break, which would not have been the case.
@GoTeam so you’ve never played a sport I get that so I won’t go too deep but getting stabbed at a match and being away for two years changes everything. When she came back she still blew everyone off the court outside the top 5 just as before.
@GoTeam graf was already at her peak; Monica was still developing her game. Look at the third set of the 93 Aus Open. Monica outaced and hit more forehand winners. Monica never had the chance to develop her game fully.
The best female match at FO ever..and Monica so determined at playing against Steffi, crowd and TV experts..Steffi is better athlete but it is amazing how Monica bounces back looking tired so many times..she was so brave and single-minded, a true role model of a champion
yes biut dont forget this two-handed backhand and look at the game again and see how often steffi makes positional errors, -which probably also has to do with the fact that, she is not so much (as bsw when she plays 2020 with 18) accustomed to the players two-handed backhand and such angles , so played, which is also by her (in this case seles) position to the ball during and before these shots even more unfamiliar, .., in addition, monica has an additional advantage, so to speak (-if the players against and or with whom she plays are not used to and are not used to it themselves not have a corresponding two-handed backhand parrat) she has a significantly wider field, which not only brings advantages when she hits but also that she is less in distress and feels less "needed to run , .., but you probably have to say that monica this so-called two-handed backhand game, at least made popular and that she might be the second best player if she were (as far for her relationly) faster, stronger, more enduring this, maybe even the second best ever, .., so if steffi also plays one or her (i.e. steffi’s own) two-handed backhand (maybe even without a two-handed backhand ( , ..,) -I don’t want to claim anything but that’s no joke -> if you think so) and monica, as I said, faster this, that, that second best tennis player at least as far as (as people say) so-called world ranking list "so far, ..
On that day, heard that some player criticized Seles's grunt. Nowadays we have top 20 - - Sabalenka, Sakkari, Kontaveit, Muguruza, Ostapenko, Azarenka, Halep who's grunt louder than Seles.
Make no mistake. Seles grunt was very loud , especially on her "comeback" . I was at a match at French Open where she beat Mauresmo , and she was literally screaming before she hit the ball it was like a double scream. She even screamed on drop shots.
I'm addicted to this match!😊 Monica doesn't look as fit and strong as Steffi but Monica was able to outlast her in the long rallies. Monica's mental strength was incredible.
Me 2 love to see how Monica could move so well and stay in these points ..she is kinda like Novak that way.. even though she is not hitting out at ever point like she had to do post stabbing , you could tell when she pulled the trigger it was an important point ..and when you look at the Aussie 93 she was even better than here and always improving ..love Monica and seeing her mental strength the best fir three years in the early 90’s ..Graf actually did not win a French open for 5 years and only when Monica was removed from the game 😀
@Illya Kuryakin hahaha joke. You should watch GOAT seles bulldozing the long beaked bitch on several occasions . She had to ultimately take help from a murderer . LOL. Poor loser
@@MoneyMatter-y2b dont talk stupid. they were both great players who gave us some fantastic matches over their rivalry. seles had her life and career stolen from her by a complete scumbag. its not grafs' fault. i dont know any graf fan who was happy about the stabbing. enjoy both players for who they were. all time greats
Monica is so gracious as a winner, acknowledging how both deserved to win given how close the match was. You will never hear that from any other winner. I’m so glad she came out on top in this epic encounter.
@Illya Kuryakin oh sure, the SORE LOSER QUEEN GRAF is embarrasing enough to tennis, much more than her scheme to dethrone Monica by stabbing her in the back. Oh listen to what Chris Evert has to say about that sore loser queen Graf, hehe @1:23:19
@Illya Kuryakin so there we see the real person you are, you hate Monica seles degrading her with stupid nicknames , yes the poster who said bird beak is just as bad but you littler all these videos with your hate speech around seles, why are not blocked yet from this platform is my question
How refreshing to watch a match like this. Big play after big play from both sides, and no yelling, raising fists, and looking defiantly at the other side of the net even after winning important points.
At that point Monica Seles had 3 French Open titles and Steffi Graf had 2. Monica was also 5 years younger and had won the last 3. Then a Steffi fanatic changed tennis history and they ended up with 6 vs 3 titles. Monica was ready to surpass Steffi Graf in all the slams except at Wimbledon.
Alessa Oruc-Llinares Monica Seles December 2, 1973, Steffi Graf June 14, 1969. That’s 4.5 years so yeah around 5 years. You can’t even use Google for basic facts like birthday, and people wonder how Trump is president.
To anticipate it, Monica won rightly! Not know how was better but because she had the greater will. From the beginning because Steffi is insecure and he doesn't believe in himself. You could see that on the Face from Steffi! Believed in itself towards the end of the game, by then it was too late for her! ...Graf made that impression only twice! The one time at this Final and the second time was in the Wimbledon Final 1999! ( Lost vs. Davenport) That shows how important the psyche is in tennis! Incidentally, this phenomenon has also been seen in Serena Williams in recent years! She could beat the competition at any time, but has lost confidence in herself! .... Steffi, Serena, Martina, Chris and Monica are the best tennis players of all time, for me! 💐💐💐👍👏
No ways. She could not volley for starters and her reach on the run was limited. Despite the stabbing, when she then returned the level of tennis had increased and she fell away.
No. Not a very gifted athlete (she was not fast of foot but made up for it with great anticipation); she was very poor going forward when it was not on her terms (ie coming into the forecourt to finish off a point with a winner). She was a great strategist; she had great mental strength. She had very good hand-eye coordination taking the ball on the rise kept the pressure constantly on her opponent. She out-thought Graf here. Graf was stronger in the 3rd set physically, she should have worn seles out and turn it into a running match but she kept trying to hit through Seles. In 1999 in the SF Graf uses shallow slices and drop shots to expose Seles very mediocre forecourt play, volleys, and really really poor overhead.
@@FrederickJohnSebastian Monica had amazing endurance..she outlasted Steffi physically in the long rallies. They both look exhausted in the last game of the match. Monica was Number 1 in the world for a reason.
@@joeyconvery2055 she really doesn't. Graf was a much better athlete: stronger, faster, better endurance. Seles is the one hanging on in the end forced to stretch so many times and hit emergency shots were she uses only one hand when she normally used two. She's also hitting moonballs to try and stay in the point (wise!). Graf makes the mistake of trying to hit past her using only length to her strokes and pure power. Had she used drop shots and sharply angles slices and drawn seles into the forecourt she could have exposed seles's weak volley and/or lobbed her. seles's lack of foot speed would have been exposed. She was number 1 it is true. Seles was a great competitor; very mentally tough. But Graf was experiencing severe personal problems through 1991 largely focused on her father's infidelity, the scandal that caused, and the subsequent divorce of her parents. By 1992, she was on the comeback. She thrashed Seles a few weeks later at Wimbledon.
@@FrederickJohnSebastiantrue....but then seles won the 92 us open AND the 93 Aussie open....graf may have been on the 'comeback' but other than the 91&92 Wimbledons seles won every other major between the 90 French and the 93 Australian open....except for the 90 open....which graf lost to sabatini...
Maureen Connolly is by far the best teenaged player of all time. Won all 9 slams she played from ages 16 to 19, including the Grand Slam the only year she played all 4.
@Ilya Kuryakin I agree, but just results only wise Connolly is the clear #1 teenager all time. Essentialy Seles is not the #1 teenager by any vantage point is my point.
@@douglasbrown5671 Maureen Connolly didn't play in the open era. If you saw footage of her hitting you would see she has no chance against modern players much less Seles.
@@monica012077 That is the same kind of rational as people who say Seles and Graf would have no chance vs peak Serena and Venus. Or that Evert would get destroyed in the modern game, since watching her play on video you would sure think that, but are you really willing to just say that. Tennis like all sports advances with time with upgraded equipment, nutrional techniques, training techniques, and so on. It is why the times in sports like swimming are constantly going down, and swimming isn't even affected by the massive equipment and racquet updates like in tennis. The only accurate way to compare players is how they fared in their own time.
@@douglasbrown5671 Monica did beat serena when she was in her prime at a California tournament. Steffi best both williamses at a 99 tournament and also beat venus on her way to Wimbledon final. They may not have been at their peak but they were close. Monica definetly beat serena in more of a peak period oh and she did beat venus at Australian open 2002 after venus had been winning slams. I could tell both Monica and steffi game evolved after playing bigger power hitters later in their career. Problem was they were older by that point.
Steffi had truly met her match in Monica. She was just as mentally tough and powerful as Steffi. I think though Steffi did have a slight advantage in that she was the better athlete. But Monica was really on her way in the early 90s. It's very sad what would happen to her a year later.
as a kid born after the 2000s, this video (especially the beginning when the tv presenters were talking) just screams early 90s. a slight 80s nostalgic feel still present but you can feel a sense of the new norm, whatever that may be.
@Ilya Kuryakin What kind of questions is that? You are trying to force people to prefer Graf? Something is wrong with you. I've never liked your approach on RUclips. Especially after you accused me of being a liar when I had prove that I was willing to share with you, with Graf being poor sport after losing @USopen semifinals in 1986 to Navratilova and made very negative comments about Evert and Navratilova. You called me a liar? Who attended the match, and is a Graf fan? Then you decided to bring up race? In why you like certain players. You are a racist and a disgrace IMHO.
Steffi was one of my favorite,if not the favorite,absolutely dominating player,and one of the best ever,her game seemed flawless to me,but now I realized that her backhand wasn’t a weapon,rarely hit a winner)).It was terrible what happened to Monica,never was her fan,but I was supporting Monica after the comeback,wanted her to win GS,and I think she only won one AO after,surely if not for that terrible accident would have won 15+ Grands.
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great match between 2 great players. i wanted steffi to win when i watched the match, sometimes you win sometimes you lose. mad respect for both ladies
@Illya Kuryakin think we are agreeing seles was better from 90-93 ...btw the commentators themselves say something was fundamentally wrong with the rankling system as one player with three slams and three year end championships should not be in risk of losing their number one ranking if they lose one sla,m match...sorry seles was the clear number one here and up to mid 93 ..steffi was number 2 for three years and that stings for graf fans because hamburg changed all of that..graf had no seles to go through and no real rival ( Sanchez only beat her when graf had a bad day or a slower surfaces ) from 93-96 one factor you have to look at as stefii's main rival was gone for most of that time or when monica returned she was not match tough or fit ( in 95) or not the same and or injured (in 96).. Graff deserves all of her victories from 93-96 not her fault Monica was stabbed but what an asterixi it has put behind all of these accomplishments... love these highlights shows them both playing so good we never really saw that after the 93 auusie final..
@Illya Kuryakin lol oh so you are predicting if graf won the 93 French she would be number one does that take into account that Seles was removed from the hamburg and probably would have won it....graf did try to play many small tournaments to artificially bump her ranking and avoided seles from 90-93 in the smaller tournaments or lost early when monica was waiting in the finals. Fantasies galore you have cooked up.. truth is hard I get it as you spin many untruths ,, Graf was number one about 2 months after the stabbing but nice try the rest of it is so ridiculous I would provide a rebuttal
@Mark Decena Dumb means you and Ilya. You Graf fans are soooo beyond hilarious! You can't accept opinions when it favors Seles! Easily, Seles would've definitely won more Slams if not for that stabbing and Graf less GS. That's as simple as 1+1 unless you don't know what the answer is. LOL!
@Mark Decena Nope, lunatic... You're the most imbecile specie on earth, next to Ilya. But I know sooner than later, you'll surpass him! LOL! Can't accept opinions? It stings, right?!?! LOL!
@Mark Decena You're indeed an imbecile! Did I say it's not 22-9? LOL! Goodness! Your school should be ashamed on how it educated you! LOL! It's an opinion, IMBECILE!!!! lol!
I'm surprised they never showed clips of Heidi Graf smoking a cigarette. I used to own a copy of this match and I remember her deep inhales. I'm surprised she's still alive.
I believe Monica would have won Wimbledon many times..she beat Navratilova at the 92 Wimbledon semis and she was just 18. Also Monica only played Wimbledon 3 times before the stabbing..her first at 15 years young in 1989. Graf played her first in 1984 and did not win until 1988.
@GoTeam She was probably going to win at least one Wimbledon, specially those at 1994 and 1997, Conchita Martinez and Hingis are no greater grass players. The pre-stab participations were only three, she reached the final on the third event.
Graf is not the GOAT. In fact, it’s shocking how few records in the WTA world record book that she actually holds. Graf has the golden grand slam and most weeks at number one, but that’s about it. She has a shocking amount of losing head-to-head records at 9. She has a winning record against 3 of the all-time top 10 players. Evert holds the record with winning H2Hs against 4 of the all-time top ten. Graf does not have the most titles at the Austrian, French, Wimbledon, or the US Open. Those records belong to Williams, Evert, and Navratilova. She does not have the most GS titles on the various surfaces.. hardcourts, clay, or grass. Those records again belong to Williams, Evert, and Navratilova. She’s not the best at any grand slam or on any surface. She doesn’t have the highest winning percentage all time or at the grand slams. Those records belong to Court. So how again is she the GOAT? She isn’t. Here are some of the major Open Era (not amateur) records in women's tennis and the person who holds the record: Most grand slam titles= Williams Most tournament titles= Navratilova Most titles in a single season= Court Most consecutive singles titles= Navratilova Most titles on hard: Williams Most titles on clay: Evert Most titles on grass: Court Most titles on carpet: Navratilova Highest winning percentage on hard courts= Evert Highest winning percentage on clay= Evert Highest winning percentage on grass= Navratilova Highest winning percentage on carpet= Navratilova Most AO titles= Williams Most FO titles= Evert Most Wimbledon titles= Navratilova Most USO titles= tie Evert & Williams Most consecutive GS titles= Navratilova & Court Most Olympic Gold Singles= (No repeat winners) Graf, Capriati, Davenport, V. Williams, Henin, Dementieva, S. Williams, Puig Most GS finals= Evert Most GS semis= Evert Most weeks at No 1= Graf Most consecutive weeks at No 1= tie Williams & Graf Most consecutive years ranked 1 or 2= Graf Most year-end No 1= Graf Youngest no 1= Hingis Oldest no 1= Williams Most weeks ranked no 1 in singles and doubles simultaneously= Navratilova Most season ending championships= Navratilova Most years in the top 10= Navratilova Most matches played= Navratilova Most matches won= Navratilova Most consecutive years with at least 1 GS title= Evert Most consecutive years with at least 1 tournament title= Navratilova Most consecutive finals= Navratilova Most consecutive titles= Navratilova Longest winning streak all surfaces= Navratilova Longest winning streak on a single surface= Evert Highest career winning percentage= Court Highest single season winning percentage= Navratilova Highest grand slam match winning percentage= Court Calendar year GS= Court & Graf Golden calendar year GS= Graf Career grand slam= Court, King, Evert, Navratilova, Graf, Williams, Sharapova Doubles & mixed GS titles= Navratilova Doubles titles overall= Navratilova Most wins over the no 1 player= Navratilova Players to defeat the number 1 & 2 players at the same event= S. Williams leads with 8 Players to defeat the number 1, 2, & 3 players at the same event= (tie) Graf, S. Williams, V. Williams Least number of games lost en route to a grand slam title= Navratilova *source= WTA record book 2020
Chris Evert commented the big difference between Monica and Steffi @1:23:19 , Monica has great backhand and forehand, while Steffi has a weaker backhand. Coming from a great champion like Evert, this lunatic fanatic of graf Illya must be sick and throwing up hearing it :)
Ilya never gets enough. I(Seles fan) used to argue with him like 10 years ago over these same topics. I didn't get the sense that I was arguing with a woman so Ilya being one is news to me. I thought that was a Russian boy's name.
I was a huge fan of Seles back in the day. Pre 1993 stabbing, Monica Seles was never the crowd favorite in any big matches, Semis of Finals. of Grand Slam tournaments. Even against Navratilova who almost was never the crowd favorite, the crowd rooted for Navratilova.
Fantastic stuff. Seles may well have amassed the most grand slams had it not been for the stabbing incident. I think at least another 5 or 6. In her prime she was perhaps the strongest female player ever, with the exception of Serena.
Still today the groans and grunts of Seles back then were absolutely disgusting to listen to. Never did a female athlete yell and scream at every damn shot she took as aggressively as she did.
I'm not going to get into the argument of who would have won more,it's irrelevant.......however when you hear people mention Monica's mental strength and her 'will to win' then towards the later stage of this match is where it's demonstrated - I think as Monica got better and started beating Steffi in slam finals (asides that poor Wimbledon 92 final) she started to have the mental edge over her, a mental edge that didn't seem to be there after she returned post stabbing incident, that's my opinion anyway
WHEN WILL I STOP CRYING AFTER WATCHING THIS? I WANTED GRAF TO WIN BUT TO BE HONEST MONICA PLAYED OUT OF THIS WORLD........THIS IS MY NUMBER 1 TENNIS MATCH IN HISTORY
Illya Kuryakin Monica finally put Steffi out of her misery in those last 2 games. Monica winning 6 of the last 8 points with her powerful groundstrokes and brilliant angled shots and consistency. Steffi was in shock after this devastating loss to Monica. I like Steffi and she is one of the best of all time. I felt bad for her because she looked heartbroken. Steffi played her heart out but against Monica, it was not enough. Monica is a warrior on the court. In the post match interview when they asked her about Monica, Steffi replied, "She is definitely a tough one." Hello Illya. 😆 🎾
@Illya Kuryakin Also, Steffi admitted later after that match that the umpires treated Monica very unfairly...and that Monica should have won that match. 😆
I really can’t stand Steffi... never could never will even before Monica and during Navratilova days...however this match is undoubtedly my favorite Monica Win, The creativity the angles the hard-hitting the aggression, grit and determination...Monica was truly unique, and this match had everything on display. If only history have been different we would’ve enjoyed more matches like this...even better matches because obviously at only 18 she was still growing mentally and physically into her game... oh what we all missed!
Ilya Kuryakin What I can’t stand is that she and her disgusting criminal father paid for that man to stab Monica and got away with it... that man did not get ONE Day in jail for his crime... how very strange in such a large democracy as Germany! Clearly there is a lot that you don’t know... nor I.. or many people. But one things for sure it just doesn’t add up. Graf is a criminal
@@DavidGarcia-pz7ew Hello David! Let me introduce you to Ilya Kuryakin.. He's a maniac & very obsessed with almost all of Seles' videos on youtube. He's an imbecile who cannot accept opinions if it favors Seles. Btw, Ilya has multiple accounts pretending to be multiple Graf fans. Ilya is a loser. He has no job and has no life. That easily explains why he frequents many Seles' videos. It's been like that for years, I think almost a decade now. And that will continue until the day he dies. Again, Ilya is a loser. No job, no life, no friends. LOL!
@Ilya Kuryakin There's no greatest liar than you are! There's no greatest nutter than you are! Being on majority of Seles videos spreading stupid arguments! You're an imbecile! LOL!
@Ilya Kuryakin I didn't even bother to read your stupid & illogical thinking. Because you are an imbecile! Trolling Seles videos for more than 10 years and still rolling! LOL! You have no job, no friends and NO LIFE!
Graf/Seles rivalry reminds me a lot of Federer/Nadal rivalry. One was a single hander and the other was a double hander. Seles was 5 years younger than Graf while Nadal was also 5 years younger than Federer. The Federer/Nadal rivalry of today was the outcome if Graf/Seles rivalry lasted a little bit longer, i mean both physically and mentally healthy. Both Seles and Nadal was really challenging Graf and Federer at their own rights.
@@cfhar080591 What makes you think so? When Seles became #1 in early 1991 Steffi was leading the H2H with 3-2. When Seles was stabbed in spring 1993 Steffi had widened that lead to 6-4. When Seles was away from the tour in 1993-95 Steffi played far better than in the two previous years which indicates that she would have improved that H2H even further (what she then did in 1995-99). So what makes you think the H2H would have turned in Monica‘s favor?? 🤔
Both of them were class acts-totally different though personality wise. Graf was far more athletic but Seles had a slight mental edge especially at crunch time and as Graf said later was terribly powerful off both sides. I noticed Seles wisely went for the weaker Graf backhand rather than the forehand. I noticed around 2:02 Graf was hitting multiple forehands with terrific power to try and overwhelm Seles and end the point. That had to be a hard match to lose that close in the end
I remember watching this at the time. The most exciting match I think I've ever seen. Going into the match, Graf was at a low in general. Really lacking in confidence with her game. For the previous couple of years, she'd been erratic and nervous in many of her matches, often looking like she didn't want to be there. In her route to the final, she'd been all over the place and in many ways was lucky to get past Sanchez after losing the first set 6-0. The first set of this match was indicative of her poor form and state of mind. But something strange then happened - the crowd really got behind her and she lifted her game. The crunch came though when she managed to get ahead in that final set. The problems of the past couple of years came back to haunt her and she didn't have the confidence to take the match.
Graf can be very pigheaded at times. At various points, she could have moved Seles side to side and tire her out more quickly. but no, she chooses to slug it out crosscourt to crosscourt with Seles but she can't really hope to win those always. Seles was more prescient about changing the direction of her shots, with Graf very often having to cover much ground.
When Steffi was serving at 8-8 in the third, there were a few rallies where Monica was well beyond the baseline...Steffi should have utilized the drop shot more often on her forehand. Easier said than done because Steffi hits her forehand flat or with top spin.
I believe Steffi Graf and Seles are a lot like Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal. If Monica’s fate were different, I think their rivalry and grand slam count would be similar to Roger and Rafa’s. If we had to only consider Monica’s years of absence, who would you think would win those GS if Monica was still competing? 🤔 Please be thoughtful in your reply and consider the other competitors who won those Slams were either their shining moment, stronger on that tennis surface, etc. No matter how great a tennis player was, it’s impossible to stay and maintain their peak for a prolonged period of time. I am a Steffi Graf fan and I believe she is the Greatest of All Time but I do like to understand other tennis fans perspectives. What are your thoughts? 1993 French Open - Steffi Graf 1993 Wimbledon - Steffi Graf 1993 US Open - Steffi Graf 1994 Australian Open - Steffi Graf 1994 French Open - Arantxa Sanchez Vicario 1994 Wimbledon - Conchita Martinez 1994 US Open - Arantxa Sanchez Vicario 1995 Australian Open - Mary Pierce 1995 French Open - Steffi Graf 1995 Wimbledon - Steffi Graf
@Ilya Kuryakin Hello again! No debate here because imho, Steffi is the greatest ever! Yes yes yes 🤗 Curious, what specifically do you disagree? Is it my statement that they could’ve had the same GS count if Monica’s tragedy didn’t happen? If so, think about in terms Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal. Like Rafa, I believe Monica was her true rival and contemporary. Just like today, Roger and Rafa are now tied but is Rafa a better player or tied as the greatest? I still believe Roger is the better player and the greatest ever and I would feel the same way between Steffi vs Monica. Don’t worry, her fans including this one writing these long comments 😇 will always view Steffi as the best ever!!!
@Ilya Kuryakin I always say that Steffi has a similar style of play like Roger but sometimes I wish she also had the same non-drama filled life he had too. Steffi’s blackmail, taxes, and Monica’s tragedy would have derailed any other tennis pro’s career with all the negative attention she had to endure, but she prevailed thanks to her fighting spirit and the support of her family/friends. I know Steffi’s career would have been more brilliant (Monica’s as well) if those events never happened!
this female comentator unbearably rooting for Graf, what a professional. Seles the GOAT, 8 slams under 20. just incredible. if not for stabbing, there would be least 3 times more.
ALERT! THIS IS NOT THE FULL MATCH! After reaching 4-1 for Seles in the first set, the video skips the next 3 games of that first set that will in fact go to 6-2 in favor of Seles, and then the video starts again in the second set at 2-2, skipping the first 4 games. Altogether dropping 7 games of the first segment of the match, which, for us, is a sheer loss. An explanation would have been "de rigueur" and welcome. But we gain a clear and sharp image and good American commentary. The banging on an electronic wooden box to illustrate each shot is a bit overdone, and at times excruciating, to the point of covering up the legendary FOR-TEH scream from Seles, without which no match is her match. Monica's hair is dark here, which seems to be her natural color, although she likes to come along in many other matches as a blonde. In terms of leaping around, rushing across and forward, Graf is definitely superior, and indisputably one of the best athletes among female players, if not the very best. She holds herself straight, with her head high, and shoulder blades back, and seems much freer and agile in her movements. Seles, by contrast, has a tendency to stoop a bit forward, bending her head towards the ground too much, making her more compact and less open and supple in her lateral motions, instead of looking up and pulling her shoulder blades back for a better posture. I only wish Seles had had a good personal fitness coach as the best female players of our time do.
Unforced errors was a huge reason for Graf's many losses in GS. 89 FO, 90 US Open and this one (not to discount other losses before 88 as well). And in some she won in spite of it. If she had curtailed her unforced errors, we should be a diff champion
A few years later the Williams sisters perfected the art of winning matches, and lots of them, with 30+ unforced errors a match. In my opinion they were the first to show it was worth going for a little too much as part of the greater cause. Perhaps Pierce before them.
The last victory for Seles in RG. Seles had a superb day. Graf was good, too - but not in top form here. This and the slow surface were the reason for this long and epic match. Some weeks later on a fast court - Seles had no chance against Graf in better form in Wimbledon.
Probably the first time in Steffi Graf's career that she was not the hardest-hitting person on the court. Up till this point she was playing serve and volleyers. This was before power tennis and Capriati was new on the scene but she couldn't handle the Graf slice back hand. It looks like they hit harder then than they do now.
O 285 (and your 200 fake bot accounts) Poor thing. U are sick my friend. Poor poor thing. I feel incredibly bad for u. How your obsession has taken over your life. This is incredibly sad. I seriously would want to help you because I know u are in denial and that u are crying for help. U are basically telling us that your obsession has taken over your life. We can feel it when u write. Im sorry but i am reading your gazillion comments everywhere and i feel sad. The amount of time you spend here is incredible but its not only that. U might not realize it, but there is bitterness and anger behind your obsession with Graf. On the other hand the way you show maniacal and obsessive worship of Seles is disturbing and borderline lunatic and i dont mean that as an insult. Thats 2 obsessions and it must take a toll on your sad abysmal life. At first your comments made me angry myself but now i see how much it consumes ur life and how the obsessions control you and I understand. Its like being a prisoner of your own head. Its obsessive. Its compulsive. For that i feel incredibly sorry for you. I dont know you but i can only imagine, because of the amount of time you spend here, that it must have an impact on your life, your social life, your family, friends. Its impossible not to when u spend so much time here. And for that, I feel sorry for you. I sincerely do. In the end, you wont be getting anything meaningful out of this and it will not have been worth it. I hope one day u find the help u need and realize how this obsession has taken over your life and how it has cut u from the world and precious time with friends and loved ones. Be well I think the best thing to do is to stop responding to his (and his 200 bot accounts) comments, for him and everyone else here. Be well O 285.
I really like both woman. I just wonder if Monica hadn't been stabbed how many grand slams she would have.? She was never the same. Physically and mentally. Which who would be? 😞❤️🎾
Serena would have definitely been chasing the Seles grand slam record. She was young, had such fierce focus, her ground strokes were getting more & more powerful on hard courts and she was so gracious in win or defeat. Loved to watch her play the game.
Lol. You must he a Hingis fan. Not so much here. Too whiney. Hingis was stabbed by her pride and Seles had a knife literally jabbed between her shoulder blades. Don't think they're comparable.
Graf did everything but win the match. Those two bad forehands at 7-7 cost her badly in the 3rd. If she just hit them normally Graf WOULD have won at 9-7.
The games today are NOTHING comparing to the golden era of the 90's. Today's number one players in the world will get demolished by the old-timers to No.50.
Not luck. Graf didn't capitalize on her numerous opportunities and she was nervous. Seles stayed aggressive and took advantage which is why she won. She was mentally tougher.
@@convarHUN her right sleeve is longer than her left. Look at 16min, her right hand sleeve has white on the end and a logo, the left does not. Maybe it's something to do with serving. Or 26.50 min.
L'arbitre de chaise était ce cher Monsieur Philippe Boivin... Maintenant essayer de répéter ce tongue twister 50 fois très vite : "L'arbitre de chaise était ce cher Serge" !
The greatest women's grand slam final ever. Full of drama and great tennis from both.
yes this is one of the best women's finals I have seen up there with Williams/Davenport wimbledon 05' and Evert/Navrotalia 85/86 french and Serena/azarenka at the us open
Two all-time greats in their absolute prime going at it
@@jeffstell9146 graf was at her prime. seles was 18 had yet reached her prime
@@jeffstell9146 Seles had not even reached her prime yet. Although they did start much earlier in those days. Graf winning the Golden slam at 18 or 19 i not sure the exact age.
If Monica hadn't been stabbed, we would have seen this kind of match throughout the 90's. Monica was getting stronger whilst Steffi getting bolder. History been altered.
I think only until 95 or 96. Seles's father was ill with cancer starting in 95 which would have seen her decline until mid 98, by which point the next generation which were full of bad match ups for her were taking over anyway. Graf meanwhile was pretty much done with injuries after the end of 96, apart from a brief comeback to form in mid 99.
Monica was already unbeatable here; at least on clay courts. As she was still getting stronger, she was well on her way to become the greatest of all time.
Monica would have easily completed two grand slams calendar year in her career. She was 19 and hardly at her peak in terms of physical strength. People are seeing the discontinuity in her development due to the break, which would not have been the case.
@GoTeam so you’ve never played a sport I get that so I won’t go too deep but getting stabbed at a match and being away for two years changes everything. When she came back she still blew everyone off the court outside the top 5 just as before.
@GoTeam graf was already at her peak; Monica was still developing her game. Look at the third set of the 93 Aus Open. Monica outaced and hit more forehand winners. Monica never had the chance to develop her game fully.
The best female match at FO ever..and Monica so determined at playing against Steffi, crowd and TV experts..Steffi is better athlete but it is amazing how Monica bounces back looking tired so many times..she was so brave and single-minded, a true role model of a champion
yes biut dont forget this two-handed backhand and look at the game again and see how often steffi makes positional errors, -which probably also has to do with the fact that, she is not so much (as bsw when she plays 2020 with 18) accustomed to the players two-handed backhand and such angles , so played, which is also by her (in this case seles) position to the ball during and before these shots even more unfamiliar, .., in addition, monica has an additional advantage, so to speak (-if the players against and or with whom she plays are not used to and are not used to it themselves not have a corresponding two-handed backhand parrat) she has a significantly wider field, which not only brings advantages when she hits but also that she is less in distress and feels less "needed to run , .., but you probably have to say that monica this so-called two-handed backhand game, at least made popular and that she might be the second best player if she were (as far for her relationly) faster, stronger, more enduring this, maybe even the second best ever, .., so if steffi also plays one or her (i.e. steffi’s own) two-handed backhand (maybe even without a two-handed backhand ( , ..,) -I don’t want to claim anything but that’s no joke -> if you think so) and monica, as I said, faster this, that, that second best tennis player at least as far as (as people say) so-called world ranking list "so far, ..
Seles was absolutely everything to me as a tennis player; tough and kind and human. Miss her incredibly.
On that day, heard that some player criticized Seles's grunt. Nowadays we have top 20 - - Sabalenka, Sakkari, Kontaveit, Muguruza, Ostapenko, Azarenka, Halep who's grunt louder than Seles.
Make no mistake. Seles grunt was very loud , especially on her "comeback" . I was at a match at French Open where she beat Mauresmo , and she was literally screaming before she hit the ball it was like a double scream. She even screamed on drop shots.
My favorite women's match of all TIME.
@Ilya Kuryakin Yes I know why you prefer them
Yes agree, its the best. So close, dramatic and exciting
After almost thirty years, this is still one of the best matches ever, the pace of shots seem even harder than today's women.
I'm addicted to this match!😊
Monica doesn't look as fit and strong as Steffi but Monica was able to outlast her in the long rallies.
Monica's mental strength was incredible.
Me too! Btw, also great camera angle in this video and excellent chair umpire!
Me 2 love to see how Monica could move so well and stay in these points ..she is kinda like Novak that way.. even though she is not hitting out at ever point like she had to do post stabbing , you could tell when she pulled the trigger it was an important point ..and when you look at the Aussie 93 she was even better than here and always improving ..love Monica and seeing her mental strength the best fir three years in the early 90’s ..Graf actually did not win a French open for 5 years and only when Monica was removed from the game 😀
@Illya Kuryakin hahaha joke. You should watch GOAT seles bulldozing the long beaked bitch on several occasions . She had to ultimately take help from a murderer . LOL. Poor loser
@@MoneyMatter-y2b dont talk stupid. they were both great players who gave us some fantastic matches over their rivalry. seles had her life and career stolen from her by a complete scumbag. its not grafs' fault. i dont know any graf fan who was happy about the stabbing. enjoy both players for who they were. all time greats
the best match of wta
Monica is so gracious as a winner, acknowledging how both deserved to win given how close the match was. You will never hear that from any other winner. I’m so glad she came out on top in this epic encounter.
Illya Kuryakin I think you’ve embarrassed yourself enough for everyone. Monica was always gracious, win or lose, can’t say that for bird beak.
Chris Quidlat It was a very nice interview with Monica. 👍
@Illya Kuryakin 87 there was no opponent at all. Its like playing against nobody . LOL
So it doesn't matter
@Illya Kuryakin oh sure, the SORE LOSER QUEEN GRAF is embarrasing enough to tennis, much more than her scheme to dethrone Monica by stabbing her in the back. Oh listen to what Chris Evert has to say about that sore loser queen Graf, hehe @1:23:19
@Illya Kuryakin so there we see the real person you are, you hate Monica seles degrading her with stupid nicknames , yes the poster who said bird beak is just as bad but you littler all these videos with your hate speech around seles, why are not blocked yet from this platform is my question
How refreshing to watch a match like this. Big play after big play from both sides, and no yelling, raising fists, and looking defiantly at the other side of the net even after winning important points.
No yelling??? Anyways, a really great match. Monica should have been the GOAT, but it was not to become.
Best French open final ever... Love how Graf handle the match points and the slice, movement, forehand.... Lord have mercy... Thank you for upload it.
That’s why she lost even with all of the crowd support 😂
The most beautiful final of all times! Seles and Graf the best!
Fully agree.
Thanks for this - probably one of the great RG finals, two of the greatest at their peak.
Monica was not at her peak. She was on the ascendancy. gunthergraf was at its peak.
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At that point Monica Seles had 3 French Open titles and Steffi Graf had 2. Monica was also 5 years younger and had won the last 3. Then a Steffi fanatic changed tennis history and they ended up with 6 vs 3 titles. Monica was ready to surpass Steffi Graf in all the slams except at Wimbledon.
Alessa Oruc-Llinares Monica Seles December 2, 1973, Steffi Graf June 14, 1969. That’s 4.5 years so yeah around 5 years. You can’t even use Google for basic facts like birthday, and people wonder how Trump is president.
@@whfan007 love how you shut that one down really quick.. steffi graf fanatics they are some of the worst out there ..:)
Tennislover999 ? 👍👏💪✌️
@@whfan007 It's what children do when they lose an adult discussion
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Big Monica fan. I'm convinced she coulda been the greatest ever if.....
Steffi is just amazing! Out of this world!
To anticipate it, Monica won rightly! Not know how was better but because she had the greater will. From the beginning because Steffi is insecure and he doesn't believe in himself. You could see that on the Face from Steffi! Believed in itself towards the end of the game, by then it was too late for her! ...Graf made that impression only twice! The one time at this Final and the second time was in the Wimbledon Final 1999! ( Lost vs. Davenport) That shows how important the psyche is in tennis! Incidentally, this phenomenon has also been seen in Serena Williams in recent years! She could beat the competition at any time, but has lost confidence in herself! .... Steffi, Serena, Martina, Chris and Monica are the best tennis players of all time, for me! 💐💐💐👍👏
Monica, simply the best ever. The most talented player in tennis' history
No ways. She could not volley for starters and her reach on the run was limited. Despite the stabbing, when she then returned the level of tennis had increased and she fell away.
No. Not a very gifted athlete (she was not fast of foot but made up for it with great anticipation); she was very poor going forward when it was not on her terms (ie coming into the forecourt to finish off a point with a winner). She was a great strategist; she had great mental strength. She had very good hand-eye coordination taking the ball on the rise kept the pressure constantly on her opponent. She out-thought Graf here. Graf was stronger in the 3rd set physically, she should have worn seles out and turn it into a running match but she kept trying to hit through Seles. In 1999 in the SF Graf uses shallow slices and drop shots to expose Seles very mediocre forecourt play, volleys, and really really poor overhead.
@@FrederickJohnSebastian Monica had amazing endurance..she outlasted Steffi physically in the long rallies. They both look exhausted in the last game of the match.
Monica was Number 1 in the world for a reason.
@@joeyconvery2055 she really doesn't. Graf was a much better athlete: stronger, faster, better endurance. Seles is the one hanging on in the end forced to stretch so many times and hit emergency shots were she uses only one hand when she normally used two. She's also hitting moonballs to try and stay in the point (wise!). Graf makes the mistake of trying to hit past her using only length to her strokes and pure power. Had she used drop shots and sharply angles slices and drawn seles into the forecourt she could have exposed seles's weak volley and/or lobbed her. seles's lack of foot speed would have been exposed. She was number 1 it is true. Seles was a great competitor; very mentally tough. But Graf was experiencing severe personal problems through 1991 largely focused on her father's infidelity, the scandal that caused, and the subsequent divorce of her parents. By 1992, she was on the comeback. She thrashed Seles a few weeks later at Wimbledon.
@@FrederickJohnSebastiantrue....but then seles won the 92 us open AND the 93 Aussie open....graf may have been on the 'comeback' but other than the 91&92 Wimbledons seles won every other major between the 90 French and the 93 Australian open....except for the 90 open....which graf lost to sabatini...
the best grunt in all time 😂 1:48:46
Monica I love you 😍
Yes. I replayed it more than 10 times. Sounded like a pig squealing while getting slaughtered 😂 Oh how I miss Monica and her grunts...
There is nothing good about screaming as loud as this. It is tennis not lifting weights.
Monica, simply the best ever
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@@grego1510 Monica is the BEST ever....I know you agree.
Yes !!! 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
No, she is not
Max e y are the Mo ron here tra a shh!monica is the best ever played!!
Now that's a Tennis match!
Best WTA Teenager of All time.. In my opinion..
Maureen Connolly is by far the best teenaged player of all time. Won all 9 slams she played from ages 16 to 19, including the Grand Slam the only year she played all 4.
@Ilya Kuryakin I agree, but just results only wise Connolly is the clear #1 teenager all time. Essentialy Seles is not the #1 teenager by any vantage point is my point.
@@douglasbrown5671 Maureen Connolly didn't play in the open era. If you saw footage of her hitting you would see she has no chance against modern players much less Seles.
@@monica012077 That is the same kind of rational as people who say Seles and Graf would have no chance vs peak Serena and Venus. Or that Evert would get destroyed in the modern game, since watching her play on video you would sure think that, but are you really willing to just say that. Tennis like all sports advances with time with upgraded equipment, nutrional techniques, training techniques, and so on. It is why the times in sports like swimming are constantly going down, and swimming isn't even affected by the massive equipment and racquet updates like in tennis. The only accurate way to compare players is how they fared in their own time.
@@douglasbrown5671 Monica did beat serena when she was in her prime at a California tournament. Steffi best both williamses at a 99 tournament and also beat venus on her way to Wimbledon final. They may not have been at their peak but they were close. Monica definetly beat serena in more of a peak period oh and she did beat venus at Australian open 2002 after venus had been winning slams. I could tell both Monica and steffi game evolved after playing bigger power hitters later in their career. Problem was they were older by that point.
Steffi had truly met her match in Monica. She was just as mentally tough and powerful as Steffi. I think though Steffi did have a slight advantage in that she was the better athlete. But Monica was really on her way in the early 90s. It's very sad what would happen to her a year later.
I agree with everything.
One of the best French open finals for Women. Unfortunately women's tennis is at its poorest now
as a kid born after the 2000s, this video (especially the beginning when the tv presenters were talking) just screams early 90s. a slight 80s nostalgic feel still present but you can feel a sense of the new norm, whatever that may be.
The interview with Bud at the end is a gem.
2:02:02 this, this point is why i love monica. NEVER GIVE UP
Willing and determination to win
I agree..never give up!
Every time I watch that rally, I smile.
How did Monica hit a winner like that after such an exhausting match?
Monica had unbelievable inner strength.
Seles and Sampras are my favorites tennis players of all time.
@Ilya Kuryakin What kind of questions is that? You are trying to force people to prefer Graf? Something is wrong with you. I've never liked your approach on RUclips. Especially after you accused me of being a liar when I had prove that I was willing to share with you, with Graf being poor sport after losing @USopen semifinals in 1986 to Navratilova and made very negative comments about Evert and Navratilova. You called me a liar? Who attended the match, and is a Graf fan? Then you decided to bring up race? In why you like certain players. You are a racist and a disgrace IMHO.
ive always loved monica seles
Steffi was one of my favorite,if not the favorite,absolutely dominating player,and one of the best ever,her game seemed flawless to me,but now I realized that her backhand wasn’t a weapon,rarely hit a winner)).It was terrible what happened to Monica,never was her fan,but I was supporting Monica after the comeback,wanted her to win GS,and I think she only won one AO after,surely if not for that terrible accident would have won 15+ Grands.
the way monica seles prepares on the other side to receive the serve is SCARY
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great match between 2 great players. i wanted steffi to win when i watched the match, sometimes you win sometimes you lose. mad respect for both ladies
Best match ever
Monica is simply the best ever
Love the stat at the beginning showing Monica was the best numbers since 90 , 2.5 years into her dominance
@Illya Kuryakin think we are agreeing seles was better from 90-93 ...btw the commentators themselves say something was fundamentally wrong with the rankling system as one player with three slams and three year end championships should not be in risk of losing their number one ranking if they lose one sla,m match...sorry seles was the clear number one here and up to mid 93 ..steffi was number 2 for three years and that stings for graf fans because hamburg changed all of that..graf had no seles to go through and no real rival ( Sanchez only beat her when graf had a bad day or a slower surfaces ) from 93-96 one factor you have to look at as stefii's main rival was gone for most of that time or when monica returned she was not match tough or fit ( in 95) or not the same and or injured (in 96).. Graff deserves all of her victories from 93-96 not her fault Monica was stabbed but what an asterixi it has put behind all of these accomplishments... love these highlights shows them both playing so good we never really saw that after the 93 auusie final..
@Illya Kuryakin lol oh so you are predicting if graf won the 93 French she would be number one does that take into account that Seles was removed from the hamburg and probably would have won it....graf did try to play many small tournaments to artificially bump her ranking and avoided seles from 90-93 in the smaller tournaments or lost early when monica was waiting in the finals. Fantasies galore you have cooked up.. truth is hard I get it as you spin many untruths ,, Graf was number one about 2 months after the stabbing but nice try the rest of it is so ridiculous I would provide a rebuttal
@Mark Decena Dumb means you and Ilya. You Graf fans are soooo beyond hilarious! You can't accept opinions when it favors Seles! Easily, Seles would've definitely won more Slams if not for that stabbing and Graf less GS. That's as simple as 1+1 unless you don't know what the answer is. LOL!
@Mark Decena Nope, lunatic... You're the most imbecile specie on earth, next to Ilya. But I know sooner than later, you'll surpass him! LOL! Can't accept opinions? It stings, right?!?! LOL!
@Mark Decena You're indeed an imbecile! Did I say it's not 22-9? LOL! Goodness! Your school should be ashamed on how it educated you! LOL! It's an opinion, IMBECILE!!!! lol!
Graf and Seles both won their 1st WTA tournament over Chris Evert!
She won 8 out of 12 grandslams in that period superb
Actually, she won 8 of 11 GS events played.
I think it's hilarious Seles' Mom is having a snack at such a tense point in the match
Lol when is it
I'm surprised they never showed clips of Heidi Graf smoking a cigarette. I used to own a copy of this match and I remember her deep inhales. I'm surprised she's still alive.
Except for the Lunatic Steffi fan, Monica would have dominated the slams till 2000 except at Wimbledon
I believe Monica would have won Wimbledon many times..she beat Navratilova at the 92 Wimbledon semis and she was just 18.
Also Monica only played Wimbledon 3 times before the stabbing..her first at 15 years young in 1989.
Graf played her first in 1984 and did not win until 1988.
@GoTeam She was probably going to win at least one Wimbledon, specially those at 1994 and 1997, Conchita Martinez and Hingis are no greater grass players. The pre-stab participations were only three, she reached the final on the third event.
The crowd could’ve been a little classier. Also, why would they cut away from the handshake to show Monica’s family?
Typical French. Whatdexpect.
Graf is not the GOAT. In fact, it’s shocking how few records in the WTA world record book that she actually holds. Graf has the golden grand slam and most weeks at number one, but that’s about it. She has a shocking amount of losing head-to-head records at 9. She has a winning record against 3 of the all-time top 10 players. Evert holds the record with winning H2Hs against 4 of the all-time top ten. Graf does not have the most titles at the Austrian, French, Wimbledon, or the US Open. Those records belong to Williams, Evert, and Navratilova. She does not have the most GS titles on the various surfaces.. hardcourts, clay, or grass. Those records again belong to Williams, Evert, and Navratilova. She’s not the best at any grand slam or on any surface. She doesn’t have the highest winning percentage all time or at the grand slams. Those records belong to Court. So how again is she the GOAT? She isn’t.
Here are some of the major Open Era (not amateur) records in women's tennis and the person who holds the record:
Most grand slam titles= Williams
Most tournament titles= Navratilova
Most titles in a single season= Court
Most consecutive singles titles= Navratilova
Most titles on hard: Williams
Most titles on clay: Evert
Most titles on grass: Court
Most titles on carpet: Navratilova
Highest winning percentage on hard courts= Evert
Highest winning percentage on clay= Evert
Highest winning percentage on grass= Navratilova
Highest winning percentage on carpet= Navratilova
Most AO titles= Williams
Most FO titles= Evert
Most Wimbledon titles= Navratilova
Most USO titles= tie Evert & Williams
Most consecutive GS titles= Navratilova & Court
Most Olympic Gold Singles= (No repeat winners) Graf, Capriati, Davenport, V. Williams, Henin, Dementieva, S. Williams, Puig
Most GS finals= Evert
Most GS semis= Evert
Most weeks at No 1= Graf
Most consecutive weeks at No 1= tie Williams & Graf
Most consecutive years ranked 1 or 2= Graf
Most year-end No 1= Graf
Youngest no 1= Hingis
Oldest no 1= Williams
Most weeks ranked no 1 in singles and doubles simultaneously= Navratilova
Most season ending championships= Navratilova
Most years in the top 10= Navratilova
Most matches played= Navratilova
Most matches won= Navratilova
Most consecutive years with at least 1 GS title= Evert
Most consecutive years with at least 1 tournament title= Navratilova
Most consecutive finals= Navratilova
Most consecutive titles= Navratilova
Longest winning streak all surfaces= Navratilova
Longest winning streak on a single surface= Evert
Highest career winning percentage= Court
Highest single season winning percentage= Navratilova
Highest grand slam match winning percentage= Court
Calendar year GS= Court & Graf
Golden calendar year GS= Graf
Career grand slam= Court, King, Evert, Navratilova, Graf, Williams, Sharapova
Doubles & mixed GS titles= Navratilova
Doubles titles overall= Navratilova
Most wins over the no 1 player= Navratilova
Players to defeat the number 1 & 2 players at the same event= S. Williams leads with 8
Players to defeat the number 1, 2, & 3 players at the same event= (tie) Graf, S. Williams, V. Williams
Least number of games lost en route to a grand slam title= Navratilova
*source= WTA record book 2020
長大なコメント有難う😂
私はセレシュとヒンギスが大好きで、正直グラフは嫌いだが、
客観的にグラフは四大大会全てでセリーナ・ウィリアムズと共に安定、そして、バランス良く全てのサーフェスで好成績を残している。
これは紛れもない事実。
セレシュが刺されていなければセレシュはあと6つ位四大大会優勝出来たと思うが、
それでもグラフが安定した成績を残していたのは違わない。男子だとジョコビッチに近いかな。
以上。😊
Chris Evert commented the big difference between Monica and Steffi @1:23:19 , Monica has great backhand and forehand, while Steffi has a weaker backhand. Coming from a great champion like Evert, this lunatic fanatic of graf Illya must be sick and throwing up hearing it :)
True. Ilya and her minions cannot accept opinions if it favor Seles. They will rush in & retort for an alibi.. LOL!
@Ilya Kuryakin Really? Coming from a Seles troll?? LOL! Imbecile!
Ilya never gets enough. I(Seles fan) used to argue with him like 10 years ago over these same topics. I didn't get the sense that I was arguing with a woman so Ilya being one is news to me. I thought that was a Russian boy's name.
I was a huge fan of Seles back in the day. Pre 1993 stabbing, Monica Seles was never the crowd favorite in any big matches, Semis of Finals. of Grand Slam tournaments. Even against Navratilova who almost was never the crowd favorite, the crowd rooted for Navratilova.
Meravigliosa Seles🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝
Fantastic stuff. Seles may well have amassed the most grand slams had it not been for the stabbing incident. I think at least another 5 or 6. In her prime she was perhaps the strongest female player ever, with the exception of Serena.
Still today the groans and grunts of Seles back then were absolutely disgusting to listen to. Never did a female athlete yell and scream at every damn shot she took as aggressively as she did.
Monica is much quieter than Sharapova, Azarenka, and the Williams.
@@joeyconvery2055она была первой и проторила дорожку всем названным вами. Эти крики действительно противны((
@@33leroi Monica beat up Steffi. 😆
I'm not going to get into the argument of who would have won more,it's irrelevant.......however when you hear people mention Monica's mental strength and her 'will to win' then towards the later stage of this match is where it's demonstrated - I think as Monica got better and started beating Steffi in slam finals (asides that poor Wimbledon 92 final) she started to have the mental edge over her, a mental edge that didn't seem to be there after she returned post stabbing incident, that's my opinion anyway
Vicious Monica pitbull.
WHEN WILL I STOP CRYING AFTER WATCHING THIS? I WANTED GRAF TO WIN BUT TO BE HONEST MONICA PLAYED OUT OF THIS WORLD........THIS IS MY NUMBER 1 TENNIS MATCH IN HISTORY
No...Steffi was error prone in this match
Illya Kuryakin
Monica finally put Steffi out of her misery in those last 2 games. Monica winning 6 of the last 8 points with her powerful groundstrokes and brilliant angled shots and consistency.
Steffi was in shock after this devastating loss to Monica. I like Steffi and she is one of the best of all time. I felt bad for her because she looked heartbroken.
Steffi played her heart out but against Monica, it was not enough. Monica is a warrior on the court.
In the post match interview when they asked her about Monica, Steffi replied, "She is definitely a tough one."
Hello Illya. 😆 🎾
@Illya Kuryakin Also, Steffi admitted later after that match that the umpires treated Monica very unfairly...and that Monica should have won that match. 😆
@Illya Kuryakin It's true...Steffi said that Monica was " the Best in the world."
So good!!
I really can’t stand Steffi... never could never will even before Monica and during Navratilova days...however this match is undoubtedly my favorite Monica Win, The creativity the angles the hard-hitting the aggression, grit and determination...Monica was truly unique, and this match had everything on display. If only history have been different we would’ve enjoyed more matches like this...even better matches because obviously at only 18 she was still growing mentally and physically into her game... oh what we all missed!
Ilya Kuryakin What I can’t stand is that she and her disgusting criminal father paid for that man to stab Monica and got away with it... that man did not get ONE Day in jail for his crime... how very strange in such a large democracy as Germany! Clearly there is a lot that you don’t know... nor I.. or many people. But one things for sure it just doesn’t add up. Graf is a criminal
@@DavidGarcia-pz7ew Hello David! Let me introduce you to Ilya Kuryakin.. He's a maniac & very obsessed with almost all of Seles' videos on youtube. He's an imbecile who cannot accept opinions if it favors Seles. Btw, Ilya has multiple accounts pretending to be multiple Graf fans. Ilya is a loser. He has no job and has no life. That easily explains why he frequents many Seles' videos. It's been like that for years, I think almost a decade now. And that will continue until the day he dies. Again, Ilya is a loser. No job, no life, no friends. LOL!
It was a great win for sure. Voted as the greatest women's Tennis match in history. Well done, championess Monica Seles !
@Ilya Kuryakin There's no greatest liar than you are! There's no greatest nutter than you are! Being on majority of Seles videos spreading stupid arguments! You're an imbecile! LOL!
@Ilya Kuryakin I didn't even bother to read your stupid & illogical thinking. Because you are an imbecile! Trolling Seles videos for more than 10 years and still rolling! LOL! You have no job, no friends and NO LIFE!
Graf/Seles rivalry reminds me a lot of Federer/Nadal rivalry. One was a single hander and the other was a double hander. Seles was 5 years younger than Graf while Nadal was also 5 years younger than Federer. The Federer/Nadal rivalry of today was the outcome if Graf/Seles rivalry lasted a little bit longer, i mean both physically and mentally healthy. Both Seles and Nadal was really challenging Graf and Federer at their own rights.
Difference being that Steffi usually beat Seles whereas Federer mostly lost to Nadal.
@@carrerau7138That H2H was about to be in Monica's had that incident not happened.
@@cfhar080591 What makes you think so?
When Seles became #1 in early 1991 Steffi was leading the H2H with 3-2.
When Seles was stabbed in spring 1993 Steffi had widened that lead to 6-4.
When Seles was away from the tour in 1993-95 Steffi played far better than in the two previous years which indicates that she would have improved that H2H even further (what she then did in 1995-99).
So what makes you think the H2H would have turned in Monica‘s favor?? 🤔
@@carrerau7138 Monica had Steffi's number and eventually was gonna get the H2H lead. Grass was the only surface Steffi had an advantage over Monica.
@@cfhar080591 How can one have another player‘s number when one loses most matches against that player?
Great match Stefanie Graf amazing play . 👑❤️❤️❤️
Dazzling Monika miss u
SELES=GENIUS
Why the first set was cut 😫
Beautiful tennis from both players up until the last point
Full of epic points: 01:33:30
02:04:50
1984年の決勝、ナブラチロワ対エバートの世界No.1、No.2のライバル対決から8年後今度はセレシュ対グラフ、同じく世界No.1、No.2のライバル対決になりました😊
So happy Monica won , the crowd would prefer to see it the other way .
Both of them were class acts-totally different though personality wise. Graf was far more athletic but Seles had a slight mental edge especially at crunch time and as Graf said later was terribly powerful off both sides. I noticed Seles wisely went for the weaker Graf backhand rather than the forehand. I noticed around 2:02 Graf was hitting multiple forehands with terrific power to try and overwhelm Seles and end the point. That had to be a hard match to lose that close in the end
Seles and Sabatini (!) only had a mental edge over Steffi in the early 90s.
Great match,
Everet was so biased against Seles during these matches.
Monica is the only player that I would cheer for if she played Serena. I love Monica so much. I wasn't even born yet when this match was played
@Ilya Kuryakin Just curious why don't you like Hingis?
I do love Monica as well 😍😍
They played each other quite a few times , Seles winning twice , i think Serena winning 4 or 5.
I remember watching this at the time. The most exciting match I think I've ever seen. Going into the match, Graf was at a low in general. Really lacking in confidence with her game. For the previous couple of years, she'd been erratic and nervous in many of her matches, often looking like she didn't want to be there. In her route to the final, she'd been all over the place and in many ways was lucky to get past Sanchez after losing the first set 6-0. The first set of this match was indicative of her poor form and state of mind. But something strange then happened - the crowd really got behind her and she lifted her game. The crunch came though when she managed to get ahead in that final set. The problems of the past couple of years came back to haunt her and she didn't have the confidence to take the match.
Monica beat up Steffi.
If anything of this rambling is true, it would be because Steffi realized that Monica was even stronger than she was.
Great final, steffi had magic hands 😅
“Steffi’s not out of it yet” Evert.
Then loses the next point! 😂
😂
Seles was the best.
@Max E Here you are again maniac,graf obsessed german,in everything!!!!!!!
@Max E You talk about shame,when it was a german cowardly attacking and destroying the carriere of the best female tennis player ever,monica seles.
Graf can be very pigheaded at times. At various points, she could have moved Seles side to side and tire her out more quickly. but no, she chooses to slug it out crosscourt to crosscourt with Seles but she can't really hope to win those always. Seles was more prescient about changing the direction of her shots, with Graf very often having to cover much ground.
When Steffi was serving at 8-8 in the third, there were a few rallies where Monica was well beyond the baseline...Steffi should have utilized the drop shot more often on her forehand. Easier said than done because Steffi hits her forehand flat or with top spin.
I believe Steffi Graf and Seles are a lot like Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal. If Monica’s fate were different, I think their rivalry and grand slam count would be similar to Roger and Rafa’s.
If we had to only consider Monica’s years of absence, who would you think would win those GS if Monica was still competing? 🤔 Please be thoughtful in your reply and consider the other competitors who won those Slams were either their shining moment, stronger on that tennis surface, etc. No matter how great a tennis player was, it’s impossible to stay and maintain their peak for a prolonged period of time.
I am a Steffi Graf fan and I believe she is the Greatest of All Time but I do like to understand other tennis fans perspectives. What are your thoughts?
1993 French Open - Steffi Graf
1993 Wimbledon - Steffi Graf
1993 US Open - Steffi Graf
1994 Australian Open - Steffi Graf
1994 French Open - Arantxa Sanchez Vicario
1994 Wimbledon - Conchita Martinez
1994 US Open - Arantxa Sanchez Vicario
1995 Australian Open - Mary Pierce
1995 French Open - Steffi Graf
1995 Wimbledon - Steffi Graf
@Ilya Kuryakin Hello again! No debate here because imho, Steffi is the greatest ever! Yes yes yes 🤗
Curious, what specifically do you disagree? Is it my statement that they could’ve had the same GS count if Monica’s tragedy didn’t happen? If so, think about in terms Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal. Like Rafa, I believe Monica was her true rival and contemporary. Just like today, Roger and Rafa are now tied but is Rafa a better player or tied as the greatest? I still believe Roger is the better player and the greatest ever and I would feel the same way between Steffi vs Monica.
Don’t worry, her fans including this one writing these long comments 😇 will always view Steffi as the best ever!!!
@Ilya Kuryakin I always say that Steffi has a similar style of play like Roger but sometimes I wish she also had the same non-drama filled life he had too. Steffi’s blackmail, taxes, and Monica’s tragedy would have derailed any other tennis pro’s career with all the negative attention she had to endure, but she prevailed thanks to her fighting spirit and the support of her family/friends.
I know Steffi’s career would have been more brilliant (Monica’s as well) if those events never happened!
Does tennis get any better.
Seles legacy is being the originater of hideous grunting
this female comentator unbearably rooting for Graf, what a professional. Seles the GOAT, 8 slams under 20. just incredible. if not for stabbing, there would be least 3 times more.
That is Chris Evert and she was rooting for Graf.
She needed to be neutral.
ALERT! THIS IS NOT THE FULL MATCH! After reaching 4-1 for Seles in the first set, the video skips the next 3 games of that first set that will in fact go to 6-2 in favor of Seles, and then the video starts again in the second set at 2-2, skipping the first 4 games. Altogether dropping 7 games of the first segment of the match, which, for us, is a sheer loss. An explanation would have been "de rigueur" and welcome.
But we gain a clear and sharp image and good American commentary. The banging on an electronic wooden box to illustrate each shot is a bit overdone, and at times excruciating, to the point of covering up the legendary FOR-TEH scream from Seles, without which no match is her match.
Monica's hair is dark here, which seems to be her natural color, although she likes to come along in many other matches as a blonde. In terms of leaping around, rushing across and forward, Graf is definitely superior, and indisputably one of the best athletes among female players, if not the very best. She holds herself straight, with her head high, and shoulder blades back, and seems much freer and agile in her movements. Seles, by contrast, has a tendency to stoop a bit forward, bending her head towards the ground too much, making her more compact and less open and supple in her lateral motions, instead of looking up and pulling her shoulder blades back for a better posture. I only wish Seles had had a good personal fitness coach as the best female players of our time do.
Ayrton Senna was among the spectators in that match
What a close match. Steffi made too much unforced errors.
Monica was too tough mentally.
Well Graf's unforced errors were simply A LOT and still she was half an inch away from victory! Interesting!
Unforced errors was a huge reason for Graf's many losses in GS. 89 FO, 90 US Open and this one (not to discount other losses before 88 as well). And in some she won in spite of it. If she had curtailed her unforced errors, we should be a diff champion
@@rajutvs well said
A few years later the Williams sisters perfected the art of winning matches, and lots of them, with 30+ unforced errors a match. In my opinion they were the first to show it was worth going for a little too much as part of the greater cause. Perhaps Pierce before them.
The last victory for Seles in RG. Seles had a superb day. Graf was good, too - but not in top form here. This and the slow surface were the reason for this long and epic match. Some weeks later on a fast court - Seles had no chance against Graf in better form in Wimbledon.
The point that starts at 2:02 !!
Steffi 😍😍😍😍😍
Seles was en route to become the greatest female player ever. EIGHT, yes, EIGHT grand slam titles before she had turned 20. That is truly insane.
Tennis madhouse moments in history.
can we have the full match ? after first set 4-1 , 2nd set starts.
Monica was number one....
Probably the first time in Steffi Graf's career that she was not the hardest-hitting person on the court.
Up till this point she was playing serve and volleyers. This was before power tennis and Capriati was new on the scene but she couldn't handle the Graf slice back hand.
It looks like they hit harder then than they do now.
Seles playing on fumes and still won! What a champion! I think if Steffi had broken back, she would have won it.
i highly doubt it. once you get to that elite level in sports.80% metal and 20% physical.
O 285 (and your 200 fake bot accounts) Poor thing. U are sick my friend. Poor poor thing. I feel incredibly bad for u. How your obsession has taken over your life. This is incredibly sad. I seriously would want to help you because I know u are in denial and that u are crying for help. U are basically telling us that your obsession has taken over your life. We can feel it when u write. Im sorry but i am reading your gazillion comments everywhere and i feel sad. The amount of time you spend here is incredible but its not only that. U might not realize it, but there is bitterness and anger behind your obsession with Graf. On the other hand the way you show maniacal and obsessive worship of Seles is disturbing and borderline lunatic and i dont mean that as an insult. Thats 2 obsessions and it must take a toll on your sad abysmal life. At first your comments made me angry myself but now i see how much it consumes ur life and how the obsessions control you and I understand. Its like being a prisoner of your own head. Its obsessive. Its compulsive. For that i feel incredibly sorry for you. I dont know you but i can only imagine, because of the amount of time you spend here, that it must have an impact on your life, your social life, your family, friends. Its impossible not to when u spend so much time here. And for that, I feel sorry for you. I sincerely do. In the end, you wont be getting anything meaningful out of this and it will not have been worth it. I hope one day u find the help u need and realize how this obsession has taken over your life and how it has cut u from the world and precious time with friends and loved ones. Be well I think the best thing to do is to stop responding to his (and his 200 bot accounts) comments, for him and everyone else here.
Be well O 285.
He is such a loser. I see him on every video whining about Graf.
I really like both woman. I just wonder if Monica hadn't been stabbed how many grand slams she would have.? She was never the same. Physically and mentally. Which who would be? 😞❤️🎾
Serena would have definitely been chasing the Seles grand slam record. She was young, had such fierce focus, her ground strokes were getting more & more powerful on hard courts and she was so gracious in win or defeat. Loved to watch her play the game.
I don't recall ever saying Hingis but obviously I meant Monica Seles.
Lol. You must he a Hingis fan. Not so much here. Too whiney. Hingis was stabbed by her pride and Seles had a knife literally jabbed between her shoulder blades. Don't think they're comparable.
Is it me or Steffi slightly grunting in this match or is it Seles' echo?
Ilya Kuryakin Illya, why bother admit she was actually grunting when it is super natural?
Ilya Kuryakin correlation between grunt and pig?
Yeah, she's grunting. Of course no one ever remembers this lol.
You can so easily tell that these two hated each other before the incident. Their matches are so cold. I always found Seles colder than even Graf.
1.50.12 If.... That was Matchball Graf
Graf did everything but win the match. Those two bad forehands at 7-7 cost her badly in the 3rd. If she just hit them normally Graf WOULD have won at 9-7.
So she choked… what an inane comment
Monica was shrieking and screaming like a banshee in this match.....now they all do it....big mistake of the WTA not to stop this with Monica.
I Agree! Terrible Grunting! Was Never A Seles Fan!
The games today are NOTHING comparing to the golden era of the 90's. Today's number one players in the world will get demolished by the old-timers to No.50.
The luck was on Seles side ,but amazing match Stefanie 💐👏👏👏
Luck? Please. STFU.
@@ChicanoPhD Look at the scoreboard . You shut up the mouth silly.
Not luck. Graf didn't capitalize on her numerous opportunities and she was nervous. Seles stayed aggressive and took advantage which is why she won. She was mentally tougher.
Ok but nobody got mad when Monica grunted like a pig being slaughtered but Venus and Serena were demonized as animals… 🙄
Surely was racism, no?
ナブラチロワがセレシュの唸り声を豚の顔を踏み潰した様な声と、批判しました。😅
シャラポワ、アザレンカ、ラーチャ・デブ・リート、サバレンカ、オスタペンコと今に続きます😊
それと、イバノビッチは、あ❤へっクションみたいな声で可愛いかった😊
私はナブラチロワもセレシュも大好きです！😊
Actually Monica got the most criticism of anyone for grunting this same year at Wimbledon. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Seles has two different sleeve lengths?
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@@convarHUN her right sleeve is longer than her left. Look at 16min, her right hand sleeve has white on the end and a logo, the left does not. Maybe it's something to do with serving. Or 26.50 min.
@@gary8306
You still out there?
L'arbitre de chaise était ce cher Monsieur Philippe Boivin... Maintenant essayer de répéter ce tongue twister 50 fois très vite : "L'arbitre de chaise était ce cher Serge" !
Mónicaaaa
Graf played well when losing but made so many errors for the majority of match....gave it away really