The NEW SC2 World Champion makes Terran OVERPOWERED!
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
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terran players brace yourselves..cuz Clem is going to get terran nerfed
Welcome to zerg. Serrals been nerfing zerg for YEARS. Terran IS op.
as they should be
Honestly a new map pool would go a very long way. Maybe the Ghost is overtuned atm but the balance is looking pretty good in my opinion.
As a terran fan who has previously demanded and cheered zerg nerfs, bio terran offense needs a nerf or two. It answers too many questions on too few units, so it's boring to watch over and over.
I'd like to see medivac pickups made sequential rather than simultaneous, just like when they drop units. Engagements should require some degree of commitment - it's bad game design when they don't.
Also, mules are maybe a bit too much. Late game terran with an ocean of CC's dropping their worker supply to next to nothing and keeping up with mules is an asymmetry for which there does not seem to be a viable answer from the other races.
@@LowkoTVyeah, they’re gonna nerf Ghosts. As a result they’re gonna nerf every zerg unit specifically the ultralisk to compensate for the ghost nerf 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
OP 7:35 Missile Turret detection range is insane!! If that fails, all Terran needs is a scan. only energy and no supply is needed. Can be applied ANYWHERE in the map...and without end in late game. Protoss canons do not have that kind of range making Ghost + nukes oppressive in comparison to a much more expensive yet much less effective defensive structure.
EXACTLY
Im sad because there are more terran fan than protoss, your comment will be ignore by community, this has been the case for many years. Protoss havent been top 7 for 5 years in esl
Problem is, once you give canons more range, people will go insane on canon rushes again?
@@schippes24 True. They should just reduce the detection range of missle turrets to the same range as Protoss cannons
Thanks for the video, Lowko. The champion is holding that crown with a firm grip! ❤
Je zou kunnen zeggen, hij houdt de kroon clem.
This series and the one Hero played before this against Cure shows why I really hate disruptors. Hero won against Cure with really good disruptor hits but once he went against Clem who can micro well, the unit had almost 0 value. A unit that depends on your opponent making mistakes or not being good at micro for value is just not good.
well they hard nerfed it without any balance to unit... they could increase ball speed, increase recharge time, descrease resources needed... nah lets just reduce splash... can we just... reduce marine damage?
Hero is the real mvp of this tournament. This game doesnt show it but look at the rest of his path to get to top 4. Absolutely insane!
Clem brought out the highest level starcraft ever seen to this day. I don't think that statement can be true ever. But hero did bring out the highest level of protoss we have ever seen. His micro vs cure was something else.
Lowko is a master mimicking the sound of the sentries and orbital command. Pls do that more often
Giant detection range for turrets, scans anywhere on the map (and basically unlimited at thst in the late game) and if thst fails a flying detector. Don't even get me started on ghosts and bio balls. Terran is so op and it always has been for like the past 10 years. I still remember terran players doing anything they wanted all the back in WoL.
Game race of SC2 top players (by lifetime earnings):
1. Zerg
2. Terran
3. Zerg
4. Zerg
5. Terran
6. Zerg
But you say that "Terran is so op and it always has been" 😂. Btw I don't even play the game or have a race preference, just stating objective facts.
Edit: I forgot to mention that #5 in the list is Clem, who won literally half of his $800k lifetime earnings last month. So if we had made this list a month ago, it would be even more in favor of Zerg. 😊
you are telling me, that the 20+ kills that raven did in the second game.. weren't worth just 2 cannon? 1x base that raven would have been useless.
Sometimes i don't get how Pros play XD
LowkoTV, you're killing it with your content
watching Clem do Serral like that almost brought a tear to my eye
dude is really good
Nerf ghosts tho
W shirou pfp
Phrasing
Nah, there is nothing wrong with ghosts. It's just a common spell-caster!
Sure they can deal damage comparable to marauders but with bonus against light units... they can kill any strong Zerg unit in seconds with snipes... and have an AOE against Protoss. And yes, they can render another spell-caster harmless with EMP... or just kill it with snipe. But templars can do the same with feedback, and they throws water balloons at the enemy, so they are almost equal... and infestors can mind control a ghosts and then use their abilities or even EMP them, so infestors are even better*
*assuming they have almost full energy, and that neural was researched, and that one infestor is able to sneak by in range, and not get killed before it finishes all this.
And I agree that ghosts can also harass with invisibility or with nukes... or can zone enemy units or siege with nuke... but they usually don't do this, because that is a waste of their time. They can also reveal DTs... but thats just situational. And they can run away from most risky situations... but if they were OP, they shouldn't have to run away at all!... well sometimes they don't, like when they are invisible and snipe all overseers around them, but that is situational as well because they cannot snipe observers or ravens...
and they cannot fly, so they should get buffed!
/s
@@axh2ghosts are not as strong as you are whining them to be. Storm is arguably the strongest spell in the game and vipers essentially neuter half the Terran roster.
@@axh2 Infestors are very weak, energy-dependant, need research for it to be fully developed, can be easily dispatched with single scan, and has almost zero range to even work. Very high level terran player can just destroy infestors with ease. Meanwhile, ghosts can emp, hide, and nuke anywhere while being protected by scans and marine/medivac/marauders along with tanks and lieberators and siege and nothing can pass by without being destroyed. Add with widow mines' insane range and hidden capability with targeting air and land units. Terran is an OP race with very high defensive and offensive capabilities. Terran's buildings can also fly to avoid any ground units, and even can attack and be repaired. Only terran units can both be healed (medivac and marines/marauders and reapers) and repaired (Thors for example). All in all Terran is the best race currently with almost no nerfs.
Clem is just so fast. He could be great with every race
That's almost certainly true but Reynor is technically faster than him and Clem makes him look like he doesn't have hands sometimes
@@MrJonni3000 imagine if Serral was a Terran main
problem is the marine stim medivac combo... CLEM has reached a level beyond fast for what are one of the highest DPS combo in the game
@@jesusbarrera6916 yeah true!
Hit and run with ranged units very hard to catch and def, but easy to do dmg
Isn't it a bit unfair that terran Bio is so good, that you can just do the same in the entire tournament, no scouting opening because you know the bio beats all? Every comp has a hard counter except this one apparently
shhh or they nerf disruptors more
Bio terrans and even mech terrans (in combi) are the best and most OP composition that can destroy any other races' army composition.
57:44 the marines not mining proofs how much stress clem inflictes in his opponents that they cannot do badic command like probes minning 😂😂😂
You mean the probes
No, they are submarines
Been saying for years terran op
terran been losing for years. you may want to check when's the last time terran got a world champ
@@carlosvaldez3093because no one can play terran at this highest level
Terrran op, i agree!!
Clem makes Terran look op like Serral makes zerg look op.
@@Cuticatie so what you're saying is that clem makes terran look strong and not the other way around.. got it
Lokow “ultimately enough to win this” at 54:20 while is balls are squeezed tightly to give that high pitch talk :) haha love you brother!
As a Hero fan this whole series was extremely painful to watch.
How many times have Zerg been nerfed because of Serral? Balance is hard to get.
That thumbnail :D love it
I hope T gets nerfed.
It is long overdue.
No one else has such a powerful Caster as the ghost left over.
And no one else has as many viable units to play. The cyclone buff really left its mark here
And lastly no one else is so resistant against scouting and so easy to scout with.
Also very good against run-by because of the planetary and mules allow them to have way more army supply than other races in the late game
Exactly. What does it mean that in 2 minutes you can already get a fast reaper that can heal, jump walls and annoy with mines, while the protoss already finds itself with an impassable wall before the adept arrives? Sure there are observers but even those before they arrive it's already too late to realize what he's doing and well for a protoss not knowing is certain death. The zerg is the same thing if not worse since he should make an early pool to scout and would still find himself with the same problem as the adept
Imagine u have air superior unit... dedicated fighter... something like a viking... u know... and then its also anti mechanical and can land.... just in case... u know... u need more dedicated anti protoss unit... also why does scv still has "two hit kill protection" ? i feel like after raven party protoss needs it way more... especially if you cant print new "mulecvs" anytime u want
@@AndrejD303 And tthey are the only race that can save the buildings if you attack with only ground unit. Its insane the amount of crap you have to deal and think when go against terrans
I really cannot think it is balanced if you can open exact same build each game without counters or cheese opportunities. If you can rely on tier1 unit (marine) against every matchup until the end even in mirrors. And you are by far the easiest to turtle as it is almost impossible to attack those planetary expands. Even in diamond level I see same small OP things for Terran that even Serral encounters.
When in post-youth Serral had 12k/5k in bank, all tech and whole map and Artosis already commented there is nothing he can do and he will lose - that should not be possible scenario.
I would do something small to ghost and planetary.
Actually really would have liked to see Clem go up against Cure, Oliveira or even Maru at this tournament. A Clem that 4-0's Hero and 5-0's Serral would have made that one hell of a TvT.
TvT’s his weak matchup
@@josephfield6903 I know. But Clem was playing out of his mind. Constant great micro, amazing army movement and gamesense. Which are kind of his weaknesses in TvT. So when all of that was on point, I would have liked to see what his TvT would have been like.
I think serral is still deep breathing from that ScheLacking he took 😂🤣
Welcome Clem, You are the Absolute Champion!! 🏆 🥇 🏅 💪🏼 😎
I spoiled myself watching this cast on Twitch earlier 😢 nice edited at the end Lowko!
hahaha, I initially thought that this was going to be a discussion with Twitch chat debating whether or not Clem's Terran is overpowered.😅
I honestly love your tangents, SC2 Expert.
nice series and control by Clem 'specially in game 2. *let's do this!*
is Clem 4-0 doing it again?
Stay tuned to find out.....
18:21 the ancient xelnaga runes... what could they mean
Oh hey, Protoss just got destroyed again. Why did I know that since before clicking the game?
The gameplay for Terran is just too efficient and varied. We either need consequences for Terran or more units and openers for the other races. Think about how many Terran units are hard counters and do double duty as offense and defense and efficiency: banshee, liberator, marine/marauder-medivac, CYCLONES got a buff vs lings and still engage roaches and stalkers easily, reapers and hellions for early harass and scouting and ling/zealot defense. Then you can add MULES and stay on even footing economically. Protoss and Zerg just don’t have the same playability.
i like how clem has been using raven. doesnt matter if its toss or zerg, he will build 1 and try to keep it alive for harassment purposes. he did it all the time during the world cup grand finals as well where that raven would terrorize Serral's mineral line from start to end (or close to end before dying).
i've watched pro terrans that would build 1 raven and doesnt even bother keeping it alive or just sacrifice it coz "they need the supply for better units" --- usually when toss not building anymore DTs etc etc.
as a commentator only, ghost needs to be nerfed into oblivion. watching those snipes come out and ohko everything is extremely dumb
Clem has been looking unstoppable lately! Even when he doesn’t take the best engagement he still finds a way to come out on top.
The disruptor nerf was a disruptor nerf 🤔
single greatest thumbnail
At highest level Terran will always beat any other highest level play of other races. Reasons? Terran has all the kits for offensive and defensive capabilities (and better) from the beginning to the endgame with certainty. From auto-heal reapers, insane widow mines' range and splash damage that can target both land and air units, an insane combo of mass marines, marauders and medivac that can heal, transport, slow enemies, and stimpack themselves (+aspd) with farther attack range than any other ground army (ranged), an insane combo of siege tanks and siege liberators with insanely air range and land range and can annihilate anything with ease, the only race that have both land and air units like ghost and banshee that can hide and snipe (also nuke and EMP for ghosts), the furthest range for missile turrents, almost free scan, flyable buildings, buildings that can attack, the only race that can repair mech and bio (also repair buildings), in terms of defense and offence, Terran has it all. The problem is only the players' skill to utilize all these complexities. So far, only Clem and Maru can utilize all these to the fullest!
At some point i saw hero blink forward for some Vikings.. is there a reason NOBODY ever tries to focus down medivacs? Yeah you might lose some army initially, but if you have the resources, you look the escape for the 20+ units in your base, and then kill the remaining units with your warped in units, leaving the terran with a deficit of medicac for the all powerful, all moving, all fighting bio army with infinite hp from this medivacs
Disclaimer: I'm not a player, I just enjoy watching.
IF STORM WASN’T SO EASILY COUNTERED by the GHOST snipe range this series would’ve been VERY different
46:54 Warp Prism is the new Medivac 😂
Hey Lowko, love wathcing your commentaries! You're my favourite "Goudse kaas" pronounciator!
hey man just wanna say you do a great job I don't even play this game just love you great work brother.
some terran units in fact look OP in clems hands... specially ghosts!!
Terrans counter to everything is to just micro better.
Not true for any other race or even unit.
"I am basically a 12-year-old"... We all are, my friend, we all are. 😅
Proof terrain is imba, no-one can deny it now
lol, like Zerg was imba for five years ? right ?
@@patardlelephant9309 take away Serral from that equation and you see the floods or Terrans in top of tournamets and it is as unbalanced as it is currently. I think small nerf to ghost and planetary would already solve it, and not fair that you can go bioball every game of yhe tournament.
Clem makes this look so easy 😭 even when hes technically behind in Eco and army he keeps a firm grip on the game. Both Serral and Hero are excellent players but my god Clem is just one step above them currently.
I think Clem is at least as good as them but I think Terran units at that play level just have a higher skill cap and I don't think the other races have the tools to micro well enough to make up for it.
Like when I watch Serral he's controlling really well but he wins cause he's just making better decisions. Clem is making great decisions and microing like crazy but it also just seems like the other races might not have the tools to fight back when the army is controlled that way.
@@BinxyBrowna lot of zerg micro options gets completely shut down by ghosts (zerg spell caster are too slow to reliably prevent emp) or mass scans (good luck hiding an infestor or ling/bane to turn the table in an engagement when the terran has 8+ cc and doesn't move anywhere without scanning).
Also, imo the highest skill cap micro would be mass blink stalkers
Lowko is my favourite fleshtuber
That golden plate under the bases _is_ very shiny but it bugs me that the pattern in it is off-center.
Also, I want to see a tournament where each player is randomly assigned faction.
Clem so strong; everyone says he's the guy but I wanna be the guy too!
This was actually the semifinals of the tournament before he beat serral 5-0, clem played this with a skilled never seen before
I think a lot of the reason that modern players outclass old school players in sc2 has a lot to do with balance. Obviously knowledge accumulates, but the game has been in a similar state for at least 5 years. Improvement naturally should happen quicker with less balance changes.
So it's like when players were crying about Zerg being OP, now it's Terran OP they're crying about.
Terran Nerf upcoming?! Lets go😂
Are you sure Clem isnt just Serral playing terran? :>
Hero NEVER attacks with enough gateway units, never focuses down the buildings necessary and NEVER puts any static defense at his mineral lines know that there will be drops every single time. These mistakes are so predictable
Clem makes the game look so easy
OP MULES ACTIVATE! *hits the button with the head*
Is it just me or is the Ghost too much of a safe counter for zerg/protoss? I would like to see their EMP Shot go to the Raven and maybe upgrade something else for them. Maybe make their snipe longer distance.
What’s with maxpax being mentioned in every cast when casting players like hero. What makes you think maxpax would over perform players like hero? So much more nerves in live compare to competing in his room also. Maxpax has an overall losing winning winrate vs Clem before Clem was world champ.
Micro, macro, maestro = CLEM
Honestly, I don't think Terran needs a straight nerf, just a rebalance that encourages more variety of builds. The other races actually have a variety of comps that require different responses (excluding Ghosts that answer most comps), but bio is pretty monolithic in Terran matches. I think there needs to be a bit incentiving other builds...no idea what, just something.
Hero fought hard. Last game was hard to watch, he crumbled real fast.
hääh`? didnt serral win this just now? or was that 1m game another tournament?
Which track on the OST starts at 8:37?
crazy how all the Zerg IMBA terrantards are so quiet now. If Serral won, they would be SOBBING in every video from this series. But since Clem won, now they're all like "oh Clem is just really really good" as if that wasn't the Zerg argument for Serral's dominance.
"Terran is not OP"... says only Terran players
Imho but bio army has too long survivalability. Like, they a lot more durable then any other unit in game, because of medevac. Need to increase energy consumption for heal for 25% at least, maybe even 33%. I seen too much pro games when terran win because his bio army just can't die.
It's not op. The zerg regenerate hp and the protoss have regenerating shields as well - infinite survivability in theory, and for every unit, not just bio. And managing the medevacs and the army is a real hassle which separates the pros from the casuals.
Wtf you're talking about. Bio literally dies to disruptors unless you're Clem. Marines die to colossi, storm, just about everything. Chargelots are tanky af, which makes them insanely good meat shield for the rest of the death ball. But sure, nerf bio.
Are you high ? Medevac dont shoot back.
I'm not speaking about nerfing bio, read carefully. Bio can live, but - not heal from one medevac for all game, u need take a break for energy regen if u done more then few fights in a row, same as any caster in game.
@@PahaLukki none of them have a transports that regenerates their HP with them at any time....
heck Protoss can reach a state of 1 HP and only rely on shields that a GHOST can evaporate in 2 clicks
Blizzard can sell terran steam for Olympyc
Nerf terran
I am happy to embrace my inner child and am often first to point out potentially inappropriate looking things, but... What is it? What does Lowko see in the glossy golden plate under the Protoss base!? I have to know. It looks like actual nothing.
I will beat clem one day, then wake up to discover it was dream
Pack it up boys, lowko nerfed the thumbnail
Ghost need a nerf, MMM looks OP because every counter to it get hard countered by the ghost.
Wanna build ultras? They're gonna get sniped. Lurkers? Same. Infestors? Same, and EMP'd if snipe takes too long.
And then you have protoss, wanna storm the marines? EMP + snipe, also EMP will just remove half the HP of your units because ghost just hard counters protoss as a whole.
I haven't played in years, but aren't Void Rays good against the armoured flying units and murders of terrain?
Yeah but get hard countered by a handful of juiced marines
@tacochaos5127 Didn't mean just by themselves, but ya marines were always a problem for Protoss.
Most op unit, in my opinion, but haven't played in years.
They are but they’re really bad at it at the same time because you’re never fighting just a Viking, Liberator, or BC.
You’re fighting that plus thirty marines.
Terran -- only ever makes 3 units. marine, med, fatty.... for literally every game. Why have any other unit? Frankly, it's boring. If you can win by using literally your most basic units for the end game -- there's a problem.
Stim is overpowered, after that powerup a tier1 unit become 3.And you can practically do it right away.
Hon hon hon, vive Clem !
Of course terran are op. Mines, tanks, medivacs, liberators, marines
Ghost, planetary fortess, mauraders as well
@@sc2youtube744 forgot ghosts
Scans, nukes, flying building especially command center, and raven (turret dps and anti-armor spell)
@fesnenglasneng they got to keep turrets but zerg lost infested terrans
Did Clem get Elon Musks NeuroLink Chip?
I think somewhere between game 2 and 3 herO just lost his faith...
So when does terran get a nerf again?
Oh wait never😂
Those ghosts are just insane when you have high apm.
Its not fair
I'll switch to terran.
ahhh, tasty salty zerg tears. It feels nice after infested terran era, broodlord/spore forest era, and any other era where getting to late game meant loosing to zerg, and constantly listening to mantra "Zerg not OP, Serral just god".....
WHERE IS MY MARINE CLEM RUclips
all terrans right now: Turtling with Tanks, coming at 8 min mark with 10 battlecruisers in your base or pushing with stimmed unstoppable bio-ball. terran needs a nerf so bad...
Nerf all unit by 50 health
31:47
Obviously having skill is OP.
Destroying supply depo might be the best way to win, these head-to-heads seem very hard
Maxwell Paxwell could've been world champ if he'd just show up.
Yeah maxpax is so annoying
1st of all, what is wrong the with the thumbnail, it s half cooked!!
Trying something new!
terran are op and snipe has been busted for too long, imo.
He wants terran to get nerfed because Serral got stomped LMAO The title says it all and how started the video LMAO He wants to make sure Serral get's all the popularity even when he got Zerg nerfed. He wants terran nerfed even tho they aren't OP
you dont knwo the game. I am Terran Player and Marien Medivacs and Tanks are broken and low cost apm liberators to stress the opponent every game i do this and win
I don't think individual players get races nerfed. I think it's more when most of the top 10 players are the same race. Like a few balance patches ago zerg was usually dominant in its representation in the finals
ByuN with reapers
@@MedicJR specific units, especially in the early game, sure.
But unless Clem, or some other Terran, finds a unit he can consistently win with in less than 5 minutes, I don't think we'll see a big nerf on Terran.
Teran has always been over powered.. how many GM legue protoss players are there? 2?
Need to nerf the mules.. and make missile turrets 150 min
17 dps of 24 marine with 3 medivac cost (1200/0 + 300/300 = 1500/300) gona get 408 dps
Vs
9.7 dps of 10 stalker cost (1250/500) gona get 97 dps
408 dps vs 97 dps, even a kid knows what "4 times higher" is.
Tanks another stupid terran unit with only 150/125 deals aoe with 14 RANGE and notorious splash dmg with 35 DPS, has infinite missile speed, guarded by 408 dps marine. That brainded 14 range AOE is inviting anyone including a cat to engage them otherwise ur base is deleted.
Look at Colossi 300/200, almost twice cost of siege tank, with 6 supply, RANGE ONLY 9, dps is 18, TWICE LOWER than tank. Colossi get shooted by both tank and viking, and stim marine travel speed almost twice, can catch any protoss unit. By the time you get 1 colossi, terran get 2 siege tanks. 18 dps vs 70 dps, 9 range vs 14 range.
Every 1 COLOSSI terran got 2 SIEGE TANKS?
Terran design is so imbalance
Terran no esta op, es Clem quien esta op
Do me I didn't come to your channel
Terran has been overpowered for a long time. Before clem began to dominate.
- ghost needs to be nerfed (less range and diameter for the emp)
- mules needs to be cancelled
- medivacs nerfed (less space, longer pickup time)
- and some other stuff
Remove medivacs and replace with SC1 dropship and Medic. No thrust boost. Just speed upgrade at the same level/time as Z&P. Remove ghost snipe. Reduce Ghost EMP radius by 50%. Remove DPS/fire rate boost from stim
If I loose a game it’s always because the other player has the overpowered unit must be
😶🌫️
Ehh another Terran world champ :/ .
Instead of Clem being good, Ghosts are just wayyyyyyyy too good.
Actually both😅.
Im pretty sure clem would beat you with the first reaper anyways
everything Terran is good. Terran feels like the only race that has no weaknesses. Bio is squishy? Medivacs. Tanks being immobile while seiged almost doesn't matter when you have the most efficient sustained DPS units in the game. Widow mines are always good. Ranged liberators are utterly oppresive in TvP. EMP is the 2nd most powerful spell in that matchup too, only behind spells from a unit that costs 400/400...and you can make Ghosts en masse (and they have no tag btw so they're relatively tanky against everything...imagine if high templar had extra armor or 80 more sheilds for no reason). Don't even get me started on the fact that you can have extra bases in your main and STILL get income from them at any base you want thanks to mules....sigh. It's clear Blizzard were huge Terran fans when they designed that race.
@@PraiseYeezus We can start saying these for every race with the way you say it warping 20 units in your opponents base seems really unfair :")
If ghost are soo good, why zerg has won almost every tournament? Why 2 zerg, 1 P and only 1 T made it to the finals of the most importan tournament of SC2, with the first $1,000,000 pool price? Serral did not even practice and made it to the finals, 8-0 to the best player in history, and 4-0 to one of the best players at this moment in protoss is Just pure macro/micro skilled achieved only by clem, you onviously dont know what you are talking about