I would say that Bonaan didn't really 'realise' it so much as he knew that from the start. Bonaan is a cannon rush-only player, and he does not do any other strat. He has various variants of cannon rushes, but they are all cannon rushes. He is around Rank 50 to Rank 25 GM, and if his cannon rush fails he loses to the same level of player, so he already knows he cannot possibly defeat a pro, especially one of the best players like Clem, in a normal game.
@@hetaresgaming7771what's your highest rank??? I'm curious because I was #23 and I beat pros....I lost a lot and I even lost to Lowe ranked m1 people who've never been gm But I beat lots of pros. You said he can't. He can.
@@hetaresgaming7771 it's very relevant you're talking about something you have zero experience with like you have loads. Literally Like a feminist saying men have it easy
@@thenarrator1984 Ah, I see, thank you for your input. On another subject, are you up for a few games this weekend? I'd love to get a few games with a much better player and see how my current play stands.
@@SaltpeterTaffy I was talking about the context of workers. There's certainly things to be said, but in general cannon rushing you learn more micro techniques than most other people do, like most of the people I trust to say adept shade dodge mines are cannon rushers, over many pros, and there are some specific micro stuff many I know practice with. I think many cannon rushers likely have less practice with large scale battle micro.
@lowko you shouldn't be surprised that boanaan cannon rushes. Boanaan apparently cannon rushes in literally every single game. Which makes #69 placement even more impressive - the games he won to get #69 were win against opponents who KNEW that they would get cannon rushed, but lost anyway.
That entire first 7 and a half minutes I was smiling and lol irl. That was great. I have the utmost respect for Clem, Serral and all the higher echelon SC players, but this was refreshing and fun to watch.
The fact that Clem, even if he took the whole series in the end, seeing him drop a map and even after a win eventually but to struggle so hard against (no offence) a random guy from ladder opening 3 times in a row with a cannon rush.... That is so awesome to see. That is not because of the "cheese trigger" but simply how bad cheeses are within the top level of play and they simply do not work (almost always). Well done boanaan. Hope too se you make a name for yourself with your own style. Make no mistake, he could be just playing a warm up game because he is The Clem but I can see potential. Good luck and have fun!
I remember Harstem feeling helpless against to this same cannon rusher. He lost like two or three consecutive games from the same strategy from Boanaan.
Fun to watch! In the last game if Boanan had kept Tempests at the proxy, and started building up stalker count in preparation for the counterattack a bit sooner, and put the stasis ward as a fall back for stalkers instead of out in its own, he could have had a two base to one advantage and lost to Clem much more slowly.
I don't really know why people think of it as 'cheese', it's as valid a tactic as anything else imo. If anything why get bogged down in an uncertain attritional war when you could finish it quickly. It was a pleasure to watch Boanaan play, I think arguably his biggest mistakes were: a) Either not cutting his loses and 'running' or b) why put your infrastructure in the one area where your opponent has to counter-attack in order to break out? Like that fleet beacon; cos his pants were down after that. I love how he was eco-ing behind his crazy 'all-in's'.
I enjoyed this as much as the next guy. The term cheese is rather vague. In sports like football there are trick plays that would only work if the opponent wasn't paying attention. You definitely wouldn't repeat those plays 3 times in a row
I think boanaan had a decent shot in game 2 if they’d expanded instead of going for double proxy gate at the end there. I mean you’re still trying to beat Clem, which is going to be a hell of a challenge, but I think it would’ve been better to just expand instead of sending another probe across to spend more resources on the other side of the map.
Yeah, most likely that would have been the better option. Really the problem was earlier when boanaan wasn't committing to overwhelming the bunker in range or using cannons to outrange, and that caused a lot of trouble. Personally, I think using range on the bunker would have been the better call there, and his tech just got delayed
Bonaan is an only-cannon rush player. He has invested heavily into the art of cannon rushing, and if the cannon rush fails he might as well give up because he's never beating another player on his level in a macro game, lest of all Clem.
This is a breath of fresh air in such established Terran lategames. I enjoy the kassive macro fights but especially when they're not the standard. Love the spice
So funny to read so many people complaining about cheese and c-rush in particular. It is part of the game. There is no rule that states in which way to win a game. Game starts and each player choose a strategy that fits for them. Being able to adapt while the game goes on is the trick imo. If there is a pooler, c-rusher or proxy-user whp is able to squeeze the maximum out of this style, well then they deserve it. Well defended by Clem indeed on the other hand. Fun series to watch.
Boanaan has great micro sometime, like when he escaped his probe by cancelling 3 buildings, but quite poor at other times. He did not harass as much as he could and lost some of his units without mooving them. I'm sure he can improve his cheeses again !
first cheese was great but only worked because Clem just genuinely didn't expect that level of commitment. After he realized just how committed he was to it, it wasn't that hard to shut down for someone of his level of skill.
Lowko can't let his favorite player get shitted on. So he makes this the "best series" in this tournament. But I think the best player getting shitted on MAJORLY in grand finals. Is the best thing ever. GG Seral
Almost all players can't beat CLEM in a long game, so they just have to squeeze the advantage early. At least they are truly playing a strategy game, maximise your own advantage and minimise opponent's edge.
I feel like the rushed would have worked better if the tech buildings were just built back in the main away from trouble and if the cannons and shield batteries were just built away from the ramps so they can't be sniped from high ground. You can block your opponent in that way and force them to build up an army then attack and you can expand behind it in the mean time.
I was kinda wondering what would happen if protoss started their expansion base where the rush is staged, or much closer. There's an undiscovered element to make this cheese a real strategy.
@@eddiekalista3222 Nah its been tried a million times - it only works at low level play. Proxy Nexus is so expensive that it delays units by a huge amount, pretty much ending the cheese. A better way is making a Nexus as the first proxy building in the opponents main, then probes and zeolots are recalled to it. Unfortunately its countered by a bunker next to the CC, also doesn't work at high level.
@@hivetech4903 But Bonaan expanded behind in all three games. Since he is to build a Nexus anyways, why not proxy it so super batteries can be an option? His play style is all-in anyway, too committed that it's virtually impossible to back to a normal game and eventually win after his opponent cleared all his proxy buildings.
@@kittyflier8338 Its still the delay. On most maps like Game 1 for example there's no space to build a proxy Nexus as well as all the support structures - unless you don't build as much production / defense until later which means instant gg before the Nexus is up. Game 2 he didn't expand & failed early. Game 3 he has enough space but there are still problems: he couldn't mine from it meaning marginally less production. Also it would mean he is committing less to the cheese if he is spending energy on Overcharge, which only lasts 14 seconds & the Terran can just back off from it, as opposed to spending energy on chrono to get more units faster. Ultimately if it worked it would've been done, at this level these guys practice strategies 12 hours a day.
This wasn't a choice to cheese against clem; bonaan literally doesn't play anything else. He is one of the handful of only-cannon rush players on the ladder. I think he might be the best of them at the moment, he ranges around rank 50 to rank 20ish.
That first game cannon rush was great, but I was screaming at the screen for him to chip the Orbital when he was dancing back and forth with the front of the Terran base cleared. He could have just dipped in and sucked up some siege tank shots and kept chipping at that nexus while retreating briefly to the Shield Battery, then either he will eventually set the nexus on fire and the Terran has to panic, or he has to pull SCVs off the mineral line to repair it, and the repair thing is still a really good outcome cos that's at least 1 of his few miners remaining not generating resources, and is instead actually burning some of what little the Terran had coming in at that moment. Is this a bad take? I felt like he could have ended the game like 3/4 minutes sooner if he'd prioritized the Orbital in this moment. If it was forced to take off, that was the Terran economy totally fucking dead
This reminded me of the boxer 3x bunker rush on yellow, except it worked all 3 times for Boxer. Sadly, I'm probably too old for most to even get this comment tho lol.
This was much more fun to watch than standart macro game.
💯
Indeed!
Seriously. No one wants to watch turtle terran
This is more mike a micro game
100% normal games can be stale
I really enjoy that Boanaan realized at some point there's no chance for him to come on top so he went all in with his stuff
I would say that Bonaan didn't really 'realise' it so much as he knew that from the start. Bonaan is a cannon rush-only player, and he does not do any other strat. He has various variants of cannon rushes, but they are all cannon rushes. He is around Rank 50 to Rank 25 GM, and if his cannon rush fails he loses to the same level of player, so he already knows he cannot possibly defeat a pro, especially one of the best players like Clem, in a normal game.
@@hetaresgaming7771what's your highest rank??? I'm curious because I was #23 and I beat pros....I lost a lot and I even lost to Lowe ranked m1 people who've never been gm
But I beat lots of pros.
You said he can't.
He can.
@@thenarrator1984 Are you talking about my highest rank, or bonaan's highest rank? I'm only diamond, but I'm not sure that's relevant.
@@hetaresgaming7771 it's very relevant you're talking about something you have zero experience with like you have loads.
Literally
Like a feminist saying men have it easy
@@thenarrator1984 Ah, I see, thank you for your input.
On another subject, are you up for a few games this weekend? I'd love to get a few games with a much better player and see how my current play stands.
9:08 That micro was so clean.
I love this series.
Trust me if there's one thing you learn cannon rushing it's how to micro your workers
@@ProbeScout versus Clem?
@@SaltpeterTaffy wdym?
@@ProbeScout I doubt anyone learns how to micro against Micro Jackson just from cannon rushing. You're not going to say it's easy, right?
@@SaltpeterTaffy I was talking about the context of workers. There's certainly things to be said, but in general cannon rushing you learn more micro techniques than most other people do, like most of the people I trust to say adept shade dodge mines are cannon rushers, over many pros, and there are some specific micro stuff many I know practice with. I think many cannon rushers likely have less practice with large scale battle micro.
@lowko you shouldn't be surprised that boanaan cannon rushes. Boanaan apparently cannon rushes in literally every single game. Which makes #69 placement even more impressive - the games he won to get #69 were win against opponents who KNEW that they would get cannon rushed, but lost anyway.
Absolute madman.
That entire first 7 and a half minutes I was smiling and lol irl. That was great.
I have the utmost respect for Clem, Serral and all the higher echelon SC players, but this was refreshing and fun to watch.
Clem getting cannon rushed 3 times: That expression... Am I perspiring?... No. It's just the rain. This fool could never make me sweat.
Don t bring Obito into this
I relate to the Obito reference
@@carrier2456 he stole my man quotes without even mentioning his name
Please cast more of this dude.
Damn that cannon rush was crazy
The fact that Clem, even if he took the whole series in the end, seeing him drop a map and even after a win eventually but to struggle so hard against (no offence) a random guy from ladder opening 3 times in a row with a cannon rush.... That is so awesome to see. That is not because of the "cheese trigger" but simply how bad cheeses are within the top level of play and they simply do not work (almost always). Well done boanaan. Hope too se you make a name for yourself with your own style. Make no mistake, he could be just playing a warm up game because he is The Clem but I can see potential. Good luck and have fun!
I loved watching boanaan build and cancel and rebuild just to block the SCVs. It might not be efficient, but that looked so smooth.
I don't blame Boanaan for going for cheese all three games, he probably knows he can't beat Clem in a straight up macro game.
Does that have more to do with Terran being the better class than skill or what
@@Jacksonvillian904 no, I think it’s more of a difference in player skill than the skill of the race.
@@f00dify is that why Protoss doesn’t win tournaments is that the best players don’t play it or that the other classes are just better
@@Jacksonvillian904 both things maybe. The only objectively demonstrable is the second.
I love watching Boanaan videos on Pig's channel but I never expected to see this fantastic smooth brain genius on Lowko's channel! Let's Gooooooooo!
when you know youre outclassed just have fun
I remember Harstem feeling helpless against to this same cannon rusher. He lost like two or three consecutive games from the same strategy from Boanaan.
I am simple minded. I see cannon rush, i click.
Fun to watch! In the last game if Boanan had kept Tempests at the proxy, and started building up stalker count in preparation for the counterattack a bit sooner, and put the stasis ward as a fall back for stalkers instead of out in its own, he could have had a two base to one advantage and lost to Clem much more slowly.
The fact that boanaan stuck to his only gun, the cannon was obvious.
He himself knew, that he could never beat Clem normally.
I love this guy
you may not like it, but this is what peak Protoss performance looks like
Didn’t watch SC2 for around 1 and a half years and so happy to see that we are at the same spot as then - almighty VoidRay/Tempest-Rush ❤
I don't really know why people think of it as 'cheese', it's as valid a tactic as anything else imo. If anything why get bogged down in an uncertain attritional war when you could finish it quickly. It was a pleasure to watch Boanaan play, I think arguably his biggest mistakes were: a) Either not cutting his loses and 'running' or b) why put your infrastructure in the one area where your opponent has to counter-attack in order to break out? Like that fleet beacon; cos his pants were down after that. I love how he was eco-ing behind his crazy 'all-in's'.
Yea I don’t get the whole “cheese” thing either. A win is a win no matter how you get it. It’s all equal to me.
I enjoyed this as much as the next guy. The term cheese is rather vague. In sports like football there are trick plays that would only work if the opponent wasn't paying attention. You definitely wouldn't repeat those plays 3 times in a row
"Cheese" means a high-risk, effectively all-in strat that absolutely should not work and relies entirely on your opponent bungling up their response.
this was the most exciting recent game I've seen. You need more of our underdog
Amazing video, it was so fun to watch, i root for Clem, glad he overcame these Protoss rushes! I thoroughly enjoyed the video, thank you Lowko! :D
Love the great content man! Keep it up!
Thanks for the video, Lowko. Appreciate the excellent content as always. ❤
That was really fun to watch.
What a Nice car clutch at 13:03
"He is now rank 69, which is pretty NICE!" :)
_,Noice_
I think boanaan had a decent shot in game 2 if they’d expanded instead of going for double proxy gate at the end there. I mean you’re still trying to beat Clem, which is going to be a hell of a challenge, but I think it would’ve been better to just expand instead of sending another probe across to spend more resources on the other side of the map.
Yeah, most likely that would have been the better option. Really the problem was earlier when boanaan wasn't committing to overwhelming the bunker in range or using cannons to outrange, and that caused a lot of trouble. Personally, I think using range on the bunker would have been the better call there, and his tech just got delayed
Bonaan is an only-cannon rush player. He has invested heavily into the art of cannon rushing, and if the cannon rush fails he might as well give up because he's never beating another player on his level in a macro game, lest of all Clem.
That was so unexpected haha. Can't believe Boanan tried that in a tournament.
You can just feel the moment when "playtimes over" hits lol
Cannon rush in the ladder: not fun.
Cannon rush in pro play: super fun 😂
Thank you for the great casting of this game !
LOVED these first two matches, I really hope clem wins game 2 somehow so I can watch boanaan do it again.
This series screamed “I may not win, but I’m dragging you down with me” energy. Boanaan really gave Clem a run for his money 😂
This is a breath of fresh air in such established Terran lategames. I enjoy the kassive macro fights but especially when they're not the standard. Love the spice
Now MaxPax is going to do it to him just to give him flash backs :)
So funny to read so many people complaining about cheese and c-rush in particular. It is part of the game. There is no rule that states in which way to win a game. Game starts and each player choose a strategy that fits for them. Being able to adapt while the game goes on is the trick imo. If there is a pooler, c-rusher or proxy-user whp is able to squeeze the maximum out of this style, well then they deserve it.
Well defended by Clem indeed on the other hand. Fun series to watch.
ALL HAIL BOANAAN
Proud Daddy of the Cannon rush on several variations as CmdrDarcon. Glad to see it's still relevant.
You did manage to get a cannon rush! Good job :3
Enjoyed the commentary.
Boanaan has great micro sometime, like when he escaped his probe by cancelling 3 buildings, but quite poor at other times. He did not harass as much as he could and lost some of his units without mooving them. I'm sure he can improve his cheeses again !
The content is very interesting. It's just amazing
"Can I beat this man in a fair fight? No? Well then, let's throw some bloody dice."
what a treat to watch this today.
Between MaxPax and Florencio 😂
great series!
Looks like Harstem's training has been rubbing off on Boanaan :)
"ok theres no way this guy gonna cannon rush me a third time"
Kudos to Boanaan for trying this! Well done hahaha
The first ten minutes I was only saying “wow wow wow “
Smooth brained Boanan showing some big boy brain wrinkles
That's no cannon rush, it's a battle station 😂
Boanaan just got out of sewer mermaid school and decided to go all in on cannon rushing over and over.
My gosh the title is so good I started watching it even though I’ve already watched it before🤦♂️
clem :"really... ?"
boanaan :"nah....x)"
first cheese was great but only worked because Clem just genuinely didn't expect that level of commitment. After he realized just how committed he was to it, it wasn't that hard to shut down for someone of his level of skill.
When I saw the title, and knowing Clem plays MaxPax all the time, I immediatelly though MaxPax had decided to play a match for fun with the guy.
Let's go another lowko video!
Lowko is casting this game..
That was fun to watch 😂
I was so tired when I watched this, the Nextus for the pylon next to the nexus made me laugh really hard
You should look up Harstem's games where boanan coaches him how to cannon rush
Can anyone explain to me the scv patrol at the start of the cannon rush? (instead of say attacking the warping in buildings?)
2:25 I see someone practiced in Starcraft Master.
For everyone else who missed it…
HELLO EVERYONE, My name is LOWKO!
The EVERYONE after HELLO is missing. :(
@@WeItenspinner good point. Edited. 😁
My eye twitched when he didn’t say it.
In the last years he prettimuch never does the full intro...
i watch this after watch clem crush serral 5-0
King Cobra style😂
I've never had protos cheese. We don't have any of those fancy cheeses where I live. I bet it's got a nutty flavor.
Boannon.... anon,... You will be called BOANNON
YES!
Screeches in toss, if only parting or sos did this hahaha.
After all these match vs Cripseil , i tough it was impossible for Clem to loose a match like this
Lowko can't let his favorite player get shitted on. So he makes this the "best series" in this tournament. But I think the best player getting shitted on MAJORLY in grand finals. Is the best thing ever. GG Seral
Pls cast Thermy vs Serral Maxpax and Clem, and tell us if a couple is a group of two or a group of three.
Seeing cannon rush fail is always so satisfying
That was awesome.
Great game to be seen!!!!
why is clem pulling two SCV's off the mineral line and just putting them on patrol. Is it solely to prevent the probe from warping in a structure?
Clem can make the claim of being the best foreign Terran he looks good.
Maybe Her0 can incorporate a few cannon rushes like this to his style, just to see it every once in a while executed by a top player.
Almost all players can't beat CLEM in a long game, so they just have to squeeze the advantage early. At least they are truly playing a strategy game, maximise your own advantage and minimise opponent's edge.
A delicious helping of cheese!
I feel like the rushed would have worked better if the tech buildings were just built back in the main away from trouble and if the cannons and shield batteries were just built away from the ramps so they can't be sniped from high ground. You can block your opponent in that way and force them to build up an army then attack and you can expand behind it in the mean time.
Boanaan took me out of a tournament with his cannon rushes, I won 1 and lost 2, it makes me feel amazing that Clem even lost a single match to him
I'd love to see a nexus on the natural for the super battery
I was kinda wondering what would happen if protoss started their expansion base where the rush is staged, or much closer. There's an undiscovered element to make this cheese a real strategy.
@@eddiekalista3222 Nah its been tried a million times - it only works at low level play. Proxy Nexus is so expensive that it delays units by a huge amount, pretty much ending the cheese. A better way is making a Nexus as the first proxy building in the opponents main, then probes and zeolots are recalled to it. Unfortunately its countered by a bunker next to the CC, also doesn't work at high level.
@@hivetech4903 But Bonaan expanded behind in all three games. Since he is to build a Nexus anyways, why not proxy it so super batteries can be an option? His play style is all-in anyway, too committed that it's virtually impossible to back to a normal game and eventually win after his opponent cleared all his proxy buildings.
@@eddiekalista3222 uThermal tried it once and won the game by this way. So I can't help wondering if it can be used in higher levels.
@@kittyflier8338 Its still the delay. On most maps like Game 1 for example there's no space to build a proxy Nexus as well as all the support structures - unless you don't build as much production / defense until later which means instant gg before the Nexus is up.
Game 2 he didn't expand & failed early.
Game 3 he has enough space but there are still problems: he couldn't mine from it meaning marginally less production. Also it would mean he is committing less to the cheese if he is spending energy on Overcharge, which only lasts 14 seconds & the Terran can just back off from it, as opposed to spending energy on chrono to get more units faster.
Ultimately if it worked it would've been done, at this level these guys practice strategies 12 hours a day.
I have to ask, did you increase the brightness on this one? , not a complain, just curious.
Wait a minute
If sky protoss is skytoss...
cheese protoss should be...
... cheetoss 🤯
Les go bo 🎉❤😂😂😂 if I wasn't already subbed id sub again
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One of the most disrespectful series I have seen. BUT, you have to be able to handle any scenario to stay on top. Very entertaining
Change your profile pic. Looking pretty gay.
14:35 that micro is not from earth
1 voidray would be instant GG
Level 69...did we expect boanaan to be anything but a slayer?
I like the choice from boanaan to go cheese, it's probably legit the best chance he has against clem
This wasn't a choice to cheese against clem; bonaan literally doesn't play anything else. He is one of the handful of only-cannon rush players on the ladder. I think he might be the best of them at the moment, he ranges around rank 50 to rank 20ish.
Great Game!
at least in wood league just assume they will be terran and cannon rush to psi storms is just hella effective.
incidentally storm is good against about everything that is good against tempests. Then again, just about everything is good against tempests
@@ProbeScout psi storm is a hell of a drug
@technodrone313 thank goodness we don't have 160 damage psistorms anymore
That first game cannon rush was great, but I was screaming at the screen for him to chip the Orbital when he was dancing back and forth with the front of the Terran base cleared. He could have just dipped in and sucked up some siege tank shots and kept chipping at that nexus while retreating briefly to the Shield Battery, then either he will eventually set the nexus on fire and the Terran has to panic, or he has to pull SCVs off the mineral line to repair it, and the repair thing is still a really good outcome cos that's at least 1 of his few miners remaining not generating resources, and is instead actually burning some of what little the Terran had coming in at that moment.
Is this a bad take? I felt like he could have ended the game like 3/4 minutes sooner if he'd prioritized the Orbital in this moment. If it was forced to take off, that was the Terran economy totally fucking dead
Loved it
This reminded me of the boxer 3x bunker rush on yellow, except it worked all 3 times for Boxer. Sadly, I'm probably too old for most to even get this comment tho lol.
A good cannon rush is sooooo annoying 😭
I don't understand why the protoss player stopped building tempests in the last game. He absolutely could have won that game.