I get erratic test results too with Black Magic. A NMVE 7000MB/s SSD will never work faster than 2800MB/s with thunderbolt 3/4 because of the 40Gbps limitation. I get about 2500MB/s read and write with an Acasis T3 enclosure and a WD SN770 1TB Gen 4 SSD which costs about $100. If you want to get closer to 7000MB/s read speed you'll need to put the SSD in a PC motherboard.
I have exactly the same drives with 2 being Fledgling enclosures and 1 in an Orico and I have about the same speeds as you. It seemed to be a waste of time getting anything with a theoretical 7000 max when I 5000 max gives enough headroom, if you get nearer 2800 then fair play, but most people will be around 2500/2600 max.
Hi guys been looking to get an SSD but it's really hard to pick one. I wanted to get those external drives but most of them are at 1000MB/s. And few are at 2000 but they can't be used as my laptop only has usb 3.2 gen 2 but not 2x2. My laptop only has thunderbolt 4 and 3.2 gen 2 ports. So I decided to get these internal drives and get an enclosure. But most of the people on yt show only 1000mb/s speed on these 5000-7000 rated drives ? Then what's the point in getting one? Can you get these drive to work with TB 4 which has 40gbps support? Can you guys help me out please Thank you.
While not the same enclosure or drives, I had a similar issue with a recent setup I got for my M1 MBA. I got an Acasis Thunderbolt 3 NVME hub with various ports, because I wanted a powered hub with NVME to do immediate backups of still images I shoot in a studio. For all my NVME enclosures I use Inland (MicroCenter) NVME drives because I do not need blazing speed, just NVME portability. Typically I get 1,800 speeds in other devices. However, I get 400 Read & Write in the Acasis TB3 hub, with an OWC TB4 cable. Odd to say the least. I have one Samsung 970EVO Plus that I will try with the hub in the future, but otherwise, 400 Read & Write “works” for the moment. I would be interested in reading any other explanations as to why this is happening.
I took my chances on Prime Day and bought a Konyead TB-4 enclosure for $119.99 and a 1TB WD Black SN850 for $109.99. I couldn't find any reviews on the Konyead, but I am very happy with it. The Konyead w/SN850 is a screamer on my base 14" M1 pro MBP. Like you I had to format the SSD before I could use it. Put Konyead TB-4 enclosure in the title so someone searching for information on it can find your results.
Thanks for making and sharing this video. I hadn't heard of the Konyead enclosure until Google suggested this video. I am looking for an enclosure for the SK Hynix P41 Platinum 2TB SSD I have on order and this might do the trick. Looks like I can get it with a decent deal on Amazon imported into Australia much cheaper than the local stock. I'll do a little more research before I hit the "Buy" button but so far it's looking good as a competitor to Acasis and Orico enclosures I have been researching. Oh and the AJA testing platform might help in these kinds of tests. I've watched a few other videos where they use Blackmagic and AJA to compare with results.
I’ve gone though so many SSD reviews comparing with the highly acclaimed Sandisk and Samsung T7. None of them explained as clearly as you did in so few steps. The results you got speak for themselves. I dont understand why most people are saying its alright for Sandisk to advertised such outrageous claims on their packaging. I bought those external drives based on their claims
Quick format. Does not format everything. The first write is always slow. Subsequent writes are faster as long as it writes within the same area. Do a full format to really check. Regards.
We have the 980 Pro 2tb drive and it performs the same but ultimately will slow down when transferring, there's just no perfect drive at the moment that doesn't throttle with larger file transfers.
You can't test a USB C 3.2 Gen 2 against a Thunderbolt 3/4 NVMe. All drives attached via USB-C on a mac are maxed out at 1050mps (Gen2) regardless. Dont even bother With Gen2x2 on mac go for a TB3 (20Gbs) or TB4 (40GBs).
@@_Trakman Specially Mac with the Mac Silicon, M series Chips have a cap speed issue even when they’re advertised to have TB4 ports. However, I’m not completely sure but I think I’ve seen better speeds with M chips Macs when the drive is used through a proper 40Gbps dock.
I got the linked Konyead Thunderbolt Enclosure and the 970 EVO Plus 2 TB. My results were same as yours on the read speeds (2700ish) but could only reach 1300ish on the write (tried APFS, ex-fat and Mac OS; tested on my M1 Macbook Pro, 16 GB RAM and two other similar macs). Just sharing another data point, not expecting any help. That said, if anyone wants to drop any troubleshooting tips, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks for sharing this! If you haven't already, id try: 1. Switching the thunderbolt cable 2. Using the MacBook port directly (Not a hub) 3. Format at the 'Device' Level, not 'Volume' level. In Disk Utility on Mac, go to 'View' and ' Show All Devices'.
What about the Sabrent Rocket XTRM using this thunderbolt case? This is supposed to be the fastest over everything else. Plus, it is great that you can afford a few of them as if everybody has the funding to buy this.
Hey! Great question; I think an NVME is going to be the best option and the “future proof” way to go. It also depends on what you’re using it for. I have noticed three of my SanDisk SSD’s performance go downhill since making this video and the two NVME drives I made using the Samsung NVME and Konyead enclosures are still maintaining the same fast speeds and I use them daily for our wedding videography business. I hope this helps!
will it do the same for mac mini m2 sir? and how would yo format to afps when drive doesnt read? new to mac sorry so nice info vid clear in layman's term thank you
Good video. I hope he would have checked the OWC envoy X pro. Capable of 2,800 Gbps read and write sustained. I think also that you get better results when you connect the drive to the new Macs through a 40Gbps TB port dock.
I picked up a Tekq TB3 enclosure ($127 on Amazon) and just stuck a cheap Silicon Power Gen 3 drive with 3500/3000 speed specs and got 25k wtite and 26k read. It was faster than the built in drive of the 2018 Mac mini drive. That SanDisk was only USB3 SS10 speeds You should check out the T-Force Cardea z440 Gen 4 drives. 2TB has 3600TBW and 5yr warranty ($239US) The Seagate FireCuda 530 is one of the fastest nvme drives around (7300/6900). I haven't tested it with the enclosure. 5yr warranty and 3yr free rescue service along with 2550TBW. It would be a waste in the enclosure. ($250US) From the looks of the SK Platinum, it isn't using it to its full potential. So a good Gen3 ssd or a lower speed Gen4. You are maxing out the enclosure. That SK-Hynix isn't compatible with the enclosure or something wrong with it. They do have incompatibilities with drive/enclosures. I'm going to boot the Mac mini off the external drive because the Mac mini drive is soldered in and I don't want it going bad on me. I'll use the extetnal that I can easily replace. I use the Seagate and Tforce in a PC I use for editing and have the main one for OS/programs, the other for projects and an external for cache
Hey thank you for this video. I don't think you gave your name, so I can't address you properly. Nevertheless, I've subbed because I found this video very helpful. Thank you for spending time to do this demo for these products in real time. You have made my life easier and I'm picking up the enclosure/drive recommendations you made.. Thanks again.
Well - I got one, and used it as a system drive for a little more than a week and had to switch back to my Samsung T5. The thing just get so HOT that the write speed at times drops to < 20MB/s, and the entire computer hangs for seconds at a time. It is fast if you use it as a data drive, attach it when you need it. But having it as a system drive (Mac Mini 2018, i7) just doesn't work. The drive never cools down, even when the computer is idle. To me it was wasted money. I will probably take the Samsung 980 Pro and put it in my Windows gaming desktop and then maybe try get a slower SSD for the unit (as to not was the money entirely). I would NOT recommend this enclosure
Thanks for sharing! I would have loved being able test this on different systems and computers, but I can only imagine intel systems take certain hardware differently, thanks for sharing your findings and I hope someone finds this super helpful! Are you staying with the T5 as an external storage solution or is there something else you’re looking into? Thanks again jkristia!
@@filmsbyaaronguerrero I actually just upgraded to a T7 yesterday. I get around 800MB/s write and 900MB/s read (using AJA, 4GB file size). The SSD stays cool and so far no sluggi'nesh issues, not even while syncing OneDrive. Did you try to use the drive as a system drive ?, maybe it is just my unit that is not working properly, but it gets extremely hot, all the time. And as I mentioned, cause system 'hang' for several seconds periodically. I really would like to use it as my system drive as the speed is super fast - if only ....
I got 2.500 write / 2.300 read with Freecom Celeritas 1tb mSSD in my mac mini 2018 core i3 as system drive. It also gets really hot but I put 2 fans over it that solved the problem!
i'm really interested in this topic, but it is so hard to follow this video because of the "music" consisting of 2 chords, 2 stupid notes and some cheap beats. 35min of this is a REAL TORTURE! Please try to listen to this for 35min. (without any drugs or alcohol) !
I get erratic test results too with Black Magic. A NMVE 7000MB/s SSD will never work faster than 2800MB/s with thunderbolt 3/4 because of the 40Gbps limitation. I get about 2500MB/s read and write with an Acasis T3 enclosure and a WD SN770 1TB Gen 4 SSD which costs about $100. If you want to get closer to 7000MB/s read speed you'll need to put the SSD in a PC motherboard.
I have exactly the same drives with 2 being Fledgling enclosures and 1 in an Orico and I have about the same speeds as you. It seemed to be a waste of time getting anything with a theoretical 7000 max when I 5000 max gives enough headroom, if you get nearer 2800 then fair play, but most people will be around 2500/2600 max.
Hi guys been looking to get an SSD but it's really hard to pick one.
I wanted to get those external drives but most of them are at 1000MB/s.
And few are at 2000 but they can't be used as my laptop only has usb 3.2 gen 2 but not 2x2.
My laptop only has thunderbolt 4 and 3.2 gen 2 ports.
So I decided to get these internal drives and get an enclosure.
But most of the people on yt show only 1000mb/s speed on these 5000-7000 rated drives ?
Then what's the point in getting one? Can you get these drive to work with TB 4 which has 40gbps support?
Can you guys help me out please
Thank you.
the video looks so professional and clean, you should have more subscribers!
Thanks! I really appreciate that!
Detailed testing, lots of patience, kudos!
Thanks Kenneth! Hope it was helpful!
Your demonstration was absolutely perfectly clear even for this non-techie. Thanks.
Thanks! Glad to hear this!
Great video Brotha!
While not the same enclosure or drives, I had a similar issue with a recent setup I got for my M1 MBA. I got an Acasis Thunderbolt 3 NVME hub with various ports, because I wanted a powered hub with NVME to do immediate backups of still images I shoot in a studio. For all my NVME enclosures I use Inland (MicroCenter) NVME drives because I do not need blazing speed, just NVME portability. Typically I get 1,800 speeds in other devices. However, I get 400 Read & Write in the Acasis TB3 hub, with an OWC TB4 cable. Odd to say the least. I have one Samsung 970EVO Plus that I will try with the hub in the future, but otherwise, 400 Read & Write “works” for the moment.
I would be interested in reading any other explanations as to why this is happening.
I'd like to hear what enclosure you use with your 970 evo Plus. I plan to get one too
Really great video, so well explained and broken down. Excellent work. Peace from Sydney Australia
Thank you! I’m grateful for your comment!
Great video !
As today KONYEAD 40Gbps NVMe Enclosure = $140, Samsung 970 EVO Plus SSD 2TB = $130, Samsung 970 EVO Plus SSD 1TB = $70
I took my chances on Prime Day and bought a Konyead TB-4 enclosure for $119.99 and a 1TB WD Black SN850 for $109.99. I couldn't find any reviews on the Konyead, but I am very happy with it. The Konyead w/SN850 is a screamer on my base 14" M1 pro MBP. Like you I had to format the SSD before I could use it.
Put Konyead TB-4 enclosure in the title so someone searching for information on it can find your results.
Thanks for the feedback Bruce! There were a lot of great deals on prime day and I’m extremely happy with the ssd! It’s been amazing!
I’ve been through all this already and you need to test each drive in the same case. Each case has different speeds even with the same drive
Thanks for making and sharing this video.
I hadn't heard of the Konyead enclosure until Google suggested this video. I am looking for an enclosure for the SK Hynix P41 Platinum 2TB SSD I have on order and this might do the trick. Looks like I can get it with a decent deal on Amazon imported into Australia much cheaper than the local stock.
I'll do a little more research before I hit the "Buy" button but so far it's looking good as a competitor to Acasis and Orico enclosures I have been researching.
Oh and the AJA testing platform might help in these kinds of tests. I've watched a few other videos where they use Blackmagic and AJA to compare with results.
You installed the gold the second time with the power on, not sure if that was good for it?
For those trying with Crucial and/or Orico cases, careful! M1 has HUGEEEEE issues
I’ve gone though so many SSD reviews comparing with the highly acclaimed Sandisk and Samsung T7. None of them explained as clearly as you did in so few steps. The results you got speak for themselves. I dont understand why most people are saying its alright for Sandisk to advertised such outrageous claims on their packaging. I bought those external drives based on their claims
Thanks Philip! I'm glad this video helped!
Quick format. Does not format everything. The first write is always slow. Subsequent writes are faster as long as it writes within the same area. Do a full format to really check. Regards.
I'll definite keep this in mind next time! Thanks for the suggestion!
Great video!
What about Konyead Enclosure with Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB Drive on ( Macbook Air M1 )? Is it give up to 2500mb in R/W ?
Awesome video! Try OWC Express 1m2 =)
Thank you so much. I'm looking for the fastest drive, 500gb transfers.
I wish you could test the Samsung 980 Pro 2TB Drive.
Great video!
We have the 980 Pro 2tb drive and it performs the same but ultimately will slow down when transferring, there's just no perfect drive at the moment that doesn't throttle with larger file transfers.
You also need to know how much Lvl 2 cache each has
You can't test a USB C 3.2 Gen 2 against a Thunderbolt 3/4 NVMe. All drives attached via USB-C on a mac are maxed out at 1050mps (Gen2) regardless. Dont even bother With Gen2x2 on mac go for a TB3 (20Gbs) or TB4 (40GBs).
I believe it was a comparison just out of curiosity but I didn’t know it maxed out at 1050mps, thanks for your insight!
Can you use Samsung Magician to update the SSD's firmware with this enclosure on your Mac?
It doesn't make sense to me that the read speeds are slower than the write speeds on a SSD, how's that possible?
Also the Mac isn't capable of USB 3.2x2 or 20Mbps so that's why you'll never get more than about 900MB/S with the Sandisk Pro 2TB drive.
That’s crazy, I did not know that! Great info!
which mac(s) though?
Thank you. I wasn't sure why I was only getting 900 mbps from my 2TB Sandisk pro. Now I get it
Wdym?
@@_Trakman Specially Mac with the Mac Silicon, M series Chips have a cap speed issue even when they’re advertised to have TB4 ports. However, I’m not completely sure but I think I’ve seen better speeds with M chips Macs when the drive is used through a proper 40Gbps dock.
I got the linked Konyead Thunderbolt Enclosure and the 970 EVO Plus 2 TB. My results were same as yours on the read speeds (2700ish) but could only reach 1300ish on the write (tried APFS, ex-fat and Mac OS; tested on my M1 Macbook Pro, 16 GB RAM and two other similar macs). Just sharing another data point, not expecting any help. That said, if anyone wants to drop any troubleshooting tips, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks for sharing this! If you haven't already, id try:
1. Switching the thunderbolt cable
2. Using the MacBook port directly (Not a hub)
3. Format at the 'Device' Level, not 'Volume' level. In Disk Utility on Mac, go to 'View' and ' Show All Devices'.
The three Chinese characters in the file name of the first ssd you tested means “Untitled”.
could you occupy 2x ports on MBP with 2x Acasis untis, do a software raid0 on osx, and potentally see 5000MB+ for external?
I get 3,030 read and 2860 write with a 2TB 980 Pro in a USB 4 enclosure
What enclosure do you use?
knowing how fast IT and tek moves on how long will it actually be before this vid is made redundant, SSDs achieving 4Kplus, cost neutral is relative?
What about the Sabrent Rocket XTRM using this thunderbolt case? This is supposed to be the fastest over everything else. Plus, it is great that you can afford a few of them as if everybody has the funding to buy this.
One last advice, get a Rode NTG Shotgun VideoMic! 239.00
Aaron, is an NVME drive worth it for a late 2013 Imac as an external drive? or just use a basic SSD? any advice is appreciated
Hey! Great question;
I think an NVME is going to be the best option and the “future proof” way to go.
It also depends on what you’re using it for. I have noticed three of my SanDisk SSD’s performance go downhill since making this video and the two NVME drives I made using the Samsung NVME and Konyead enclosures are still maintaining the same fast speeds and I use them daily for our wedding videography business.
I hope this helps!
Nope - think the Imac has USB 3.1 gen 1 interface so max out a 500Mps for a Samsung T7 or even T5
I use an Orinco TB 4/USB 4 case i paid 130.00 at New Egg
When will we get USB 4 on Phone Storage?
will it do the same for mac mini m2 sir? and how would yo format to afps when drive doesnt read? new to mac sorry so nice info vid clear in layman's term thank you
very informative. what say you for a 4TH with rhis enclosure.
The Samsung 980 pro gets low write speeds around 900 MBs. I went with the 970. Evo plus instead
Great video but the background music is really morbid and distracting
U BEST!!!
I think the sandisk extreme pro u have isnt V2.
Now run your test on the 980 Pro
Good video.
I hope he would have checked the OWC envoy X pro. Capable of 2,800 Gbps read and write sustained.
I think also that you get better results when you connect the drive to the new Macs through a 40Gbps TB port dock.
You need to turn on write caching for the sk gold
Tim thanks for the tip!
What are some of the best ways you’ve found to turn it on with this drive on Macs?
Thanks!
how do we do that
I'd be interested in finding out how to do this on a Mac too.
I picked up a Tekq TB3 enclosure ($127 on Amazon) and just stuck a cheap Silicon Power Gen 3 drive with 3500/3000 speed specs and got 25k wtite and 26k read. It was faster than the built in drive of the 2018 Mac mini drive.
That SanDisk was only USB3 SS10 speeds
You should check out the T-Force Cardea z440 Gen 4 drives. 2TB has 3600TBW and 5yr warranty ($239US)
The Seagate FireCuda 530 is one of the fastest nvme drives around (7300/6900). I haven't tested it with the enclosure. 5yr warranty and 3yr free rescue service along with 2550TBW. It would be a waste in the enclosure. ($250US)
From the looks of the SK Platinum, it isn't using it to its full potential. So a good Gen3 ssd or a lower speed Gen4.
You are maxing out the enclosure. That SK-Hynix isn't compatible with the enclosure or something wrong with it. They do have incompatibilities with drive/enclosures. I'm going to boot the Mac mini off the external drive because the Mac mini drive is soldered in and I don't want it going bad on me. I'll use the extetnal that I can easily replace. I use the Seagate and Tforce in a PC I use for editing and have the main one for OS/programs, the other for projects and an external for cache
SG gold is PCI 3
Your tests would be more complete with the Sabrent enclosure.
Hi! very fast! where in can buy in Europe (SPAIN)? Thanks!
Honestly, I'm not sure! Sorry.
Took my 18 hours to move 600 gigs from one usb drive to another lol Will never go under USB-C or Thunderbolt again.
you didn't eject the drive properly you can't just pull it from the case.
"Building it from scratch" 🤦♂️ uhu, let me get a PCB and my soldering iron.
How to make DIY ddr4 ram accordingly?
Hey thank you for this video. I don't think you gave your name, so I can't address you properly. Nevertheless, I've subbed because I found this video very helpful. Thank you for spending time to do this demo for these products in real time. You have made my life easier and I'm picking up the enclosure/drive recommendations you made.. Thanks again.
What's Up Scott! Thanks for subscribing! My name is Aaron (I should probably update a lot of my RUclips stuff) but I'm glad this was helpful!
WOW... What is your camera setup for this video? 🤔🤔🤔
I shot this on two a7siii (front and top shot) all recorded into an atem mini pro iso. 🙌🏼
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Sk Platinum rocks
Well done with these tests. I think I will get that enclosure and will start researching some additional NVME drives.
Will the nvme work with xbox series s
Has anyone tried this on a windows computer? Are the results similar?
I am glad i total tricked out my 14” MacBook Pro, mac CPU/Mac Ram, and 8 TB div😊, 5000 reads 4800 Write😊😊
I get 2800 wite and 2900 read on the Orinco!
You need to understand the TB chip on the cases!
Can you boot of it? Mac/Windows?
Great question, Sice its similar to what you would use for an internal drive, I would assume so, but I'd go ahead and so some research to find out. =
As an Editor only 975 read write on the Sandisk is not Adequate
Because it is not the V2
The price on the Samsung SSD dropped from $220 to only $100.
It just means, "Untitled", in Chinese language. Cheers!~
hahaha! thanks!
Can I add a heat sink for these drives?
Well - I got one, and used it as a system drive for a little more than a week and had to switch back to my Samsung T5.
The thing just get so HOT that the write speed at times drops to < 20MB/s, and the entire computer hangs for seconds at a time.
It is fast if you use it as a data drive, attach it when you need it. But having it as a system drive (Mac Mini 2018, i7) just doesn't work. The drive never cools down, even when the computer is idle.
To me it was wasted money. I will probably take the Samsung 980 Pro and put it in my Windows gaming desktop and then maybe try get a slower SSD for the unit (as to not was the money entirely).
I would NOT recommend this enclosure
Thanks for sharing!
I would have loved being able test this on different systems and computers, but I can only imagine intel systems take certain hardware differently, thanks for sharing your findings and I hope someone finds this super helpful!
Are you staying with the T5 as an external storage solution or is there something else you’re looking into?
Thanks again jkristia!
@@filmsbyaaronguerrero I actually just upgraded to a T7 yesterday. I get around 800MB/s write and 900MB/s read (using AJA, 4GB file size). The SSD stays cool and so far no sluggi'nesh issues, not even while syncing OneDrive.
Did you try to use the drive as a system drive ?, maybe it is just my unit that is not working properly, but it gets extremely hot, all the time. And as I mentioned, cause system 'hang' for several seconds periodically.
I really would like to use it as my system drive as the speed is super fast - if only ....
I got 2.500 write / 2.300 read with Freecom Celeritas 1tb mSSD in my mac mini 2018 core i3 as system drive. It also gets really hot but I put 2 fans over it that solved the problem!
Great video, tests and demo. Lose the music, it's horrendous.
😂 Love the honesty! Thanks!
Will Smith on the lows :)
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And the Samsung 980 pro is faster than 970
i'm really interested in this topic, but it is so hard to follow this video because of the "music" consisting of 2 chords, 2 stupid notes and some cheap beats. 35min of this is a REAL TORTURE! Please try to listen to this for 35min. (without any drugs or alcohol) !
😂 I truly appreciate your comment! Thanks for giving it a try.
Background music is annoying and distracting.
Mlk, se pá que o canal foi hackeado