VW ID.3 FULL REVIEW driving the new Volkswagen EV ID 3 - Autogefühl
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2020
- This is our in-depth review of the VW ID.3. We're taking a look at Exterior, Interior and the driving experience.
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price in Sweden with some equipment: €46 000. Like what happend to the "peoples car" that is VW? I thought it would be cheaper than an E-Golf due to the all new BEV platform?
Woohoo 🥳
@@_TrueDesire_ yes for 1st and the fast lane high spec versions, the < 30.000 version is coming later
Jeremy Clarkson would fucking love these replies 🤦♂️
Thomas's judgmental hmm's are fun to hear! "Hard plastic? Hmm?" "Glossy black panel? Hmm?"
Those piano black surfaces should be banned from all cars. You can scratch them by just looking at them. It’s the worst possible material for interior trims.
@@PeteFinn And yet a lot do that and that is just the biggest mystery. Is that cheaper or something ?
It's so stupid... it must be a reason.
@@YannR34 I'm guessing it's the cheapest or easiest to manufacture option after plain hard plastic. It does look pretty ok when there are no fingerprints or scratch marks, but it's so unbelievably fragile. I just test drove a brand new Audi A3 sedan (the new model) with only 300 km on the odometer and the piano black center console was already full of scratch marks. It looked like crap. So stupid, indeed!
=)
@@PeteFinn with a gentle polish it looks like new. No problem at all
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@@carvalhoguilherme thanks my friend!
Why didn't you do charging test? Quite relevant in EVs. Great review apart from that!
Thanks 👍🏾👊🏾✌🏾🇳🇬🇺🇸
Along with Rory Read from autocrat & Fully Charged best EV reviews on here transparency is welcomed 👍
I notice similar patterns in the car industry and the software industry: a lot of the management can't be impressed with patterns that are seemingly "old" and "dated". The slider probably looked "cooler" and more "sexy" than the regular, perfectly usable volume knob. Reliable patterns that have been providing great usability for a long time don't have to be reinvented for the sake of reinvention!
Agreed. But what other software did he criticise?? He actually criticised buttons, switches, display size, plastics they are HARDWARE.
They're impressed by their cost. A single touchscreen is far cheaper than buttons and dials.
@@AlanTov I wasn't talking about any software of the car, I was just making an analogy between the business side of software developing (in general) and the business side of car manufacturing.
@@patrickdaly5988 Yeah. and by using a touchscreen you are much more likely to have an accident so they get money from you multiple times. I wonder why is it forbidden to use a phone in the car and then they allow for touchscreen for full airconditioning control and same for the radio. I've tried (not in this car) it and its freaking dangerous to play with AC on the touchscreen. There is no muscle memory for that when using screen, but it is for using dials and knobs.
A sturdy, quality knob is far better than any type of touch thingie like a slider. The feeling on the tip of your fingers is satisfying to many! Would never change that!
Autogefühl is definitely the best reviewer, he misses nothing in the car. Keep up the amazing reviews!
Except real world charging speeds.
”We go into details here, but this is Autogefuhl.” And this is why I keep on watching your channel over and over again reviewing cars I would not even necessarely consider buying. Great job guys!
Same.
of course! Just 4 u =)
@Juho Hyvonen. +1. .. Agreed. .. As an auto enthusiast with an eye towards the ever-changing technological advances, that and market practices. .. Autogefuhl is a worthwhile & entertaining view. .. Cheers
This review will be the most viewed this year.
True indeed
What a sad prediction!
The views do not indicate that
@@florianj6490 lol you are a funny boy
Why
Thomas: “I want to close my eyes and enjoy the ride”
Everyone: realising there’s an autobahn crash test included in the review
I love Thomas's reviews. He is always well informed, thorough, and he tells it like it is!
Thomas, you are the voice of the people, we really don't need this "Touch" nonsense in our cars, the driving and attention on the road should be at the forefront of interior car designers. I remember in the old days reviewers complaining about the placement of the radio and ventilation dials and 30 years of improvements is being thrown out of the window in favor of "modern look" and, maybe, cost cutting?! 🤔
Stop whinning lol.
ok boomer
Touch plays a big role in expensive cars. The feel of everything makes a big difference for me. I dont think its cut and dry that we dont care about feel. Its very low on the list, but is on the list for me when determining quality of finishes. (its a personal thing i guess)
@@porchemasi I'd argue that he's it may be an "expensive car" at first but remember it's a low category car, it's not a luxury car. It's also a pioneering car for the company. There's gonna be cut backs considering your getting its first run of technology. That's just something people are ignoring and it's ignorant and counter productive. Just because a golf has better interior... Lol.. yet it's got technology from 100 years ago, albeit with frequent incremental upgrades and improvements. This... Is a while new product. So yes... They're gonna give you some cheap plastic to go with that ground breaking and new product lol.
@@mastermaltese8731 you watch too much Jeremy Clarkson shite.
There is a reason the motor has less horsepower on the smaller battery packs. It's because the smaller battery packs are not rated for the same number of amps. So, you wouldn't want to "tune" your drive motor to the higher spec because it would not be good for the battery pack.
Yeah as I said, the smallest battery wont work with the highest hp spec. But the mid battery could easily be tuned later to the higher hp spec - if newly registered at the authorities
@@autogefuehl Of course we would register any changes right away...
@@omaarpoiriez yes like every tuned car has its remap declared aswell
@@rytiskurcinskas7179 Exactly
It would be great if a new second hand owner could then upgrade to a bigger battery and put the motor to full power
Thomas is one the best car reviewers, goes over every details on the car. Like this car i think it will sell good, if the prices is right. Many of the ideas on this ID 3 also been used on BMW i3.
That was the car review I had been looking forward to the most in the last three years and Thomas didn't disappoint. A solid a thorough review as always where we get info about all the things we could ever wish to know about the new ID.3. Thank you for your great work, Thomas!
“And if you like a brighter color...but detest orange, then this color combination is also possible “...😂🤣😂. Thomas, you rock!
Frank Partida haha! How did I miss this.
VW should talk to Honda and Honda owners about their experience with not having a volume knob.
My Honda doesn't even have a radio. I think only the Goldwing has a sound system 🍄
Don’t need a volume knob.
Since i have the first car with an Multifunctional steering wheel i never used the volume knob again.
With a steering wheel volume control, I see no need for a volume knob on the infotainment unit.
What!? Learn from others’ mistakes? NEVER! VW is above all that...
This is the Germanest car review I've ever seen! xD
Yeah, don't forget that watching cars is the most popular porn genre among Germans.
@@lennyn6662 despite their love of cars, Germans brands are very unreliable compared to Japanese ones. Why? My driving instructor in the UK told me to avoid Italian and German cars when I passed the test.
@@sithukyaw9019 he probably voted for brexit. Lots of UKers live in a pre WW2 idea.
Except for the inches, wtf was that?
@@2.3_44XD-- Lots of American auto magazines and Asian magazines also rate German cars as very unreliable.
15:43... i couldn't agree more with you ❤️ and please keep your voice loud on that... cause the companies need to make practical and functional buttons not just "looking cool" buttons...
i don't want to turn my steering wheel and activate functions just by touching the surface of the buttons... is stupid.
Thomas is completely color matched with the interior. Perfectly prepared.
Great review! And you made the first review about it - without skipping the flaws.
Welcome 🙏
I was one of the first customers to put down a deposit for the ID3 in May 2019. I even flew over to see the car at the Frankfurt Motor Show in August. No one of the stand could tell me much about the car. In the next few months I asked my dealer for information. Nothing. Then I tried VW headquarters in the UK. Nothing. No specification, no price, no delivery dates. Then I found out the car would not get a heating system for the battery.Then when I heard about the software problems, I realised there were some serious issues and cancelled my order. I now have a Kia E-Niro with better range, a proper thermal battery management system, 7 year warranty, proven technology and a bigger boot. No it does not have over the air updates
Nigel Page well I’m pretty sure the first edition all have the heater included so I’m a bit surprised by your story. It’s just that all other have to order it extra.
Why would you put down a deposit on a car that you had no details of? "Nothing. No specification, no price, no delivery dates." Doh!
@@tonyb3400 Because I went over to the Frankfurt motor show to see the car and was impressedby the design. Fully charged also did a very positive drive of the car in South Africa.
Great review. I always appreciate how thorough your reviews are.
Lets hope the big boys at VW listen closely to your correct stated comments about the flaws! Keep it like that, honest & detailed! 👍
they wont but its nice to have a dream
M M
They’re not dumb, they do, just as to many other opinions and suggestions. And I’m certain that they will also analyze first customer reviews. It’s a huge company with scientific and business approach, they didn’t expand to current size for no reason. And they definitely learned their lessons from recent major fuckups. On top, they own Porsche and Porsche has already announced to go full electric.
What we need in Germany is a serious cluster for Software development - like San Francisco or Bangalore. It’s too scattered: ERP in Waldorf, Database in Darmstadt, Online-Business in Berlin and Hamburg and automotive software development all over the place.
There’s no clear competence center.
I can see why VAG fired their software chief. This is potentially a great car that is woefully let down by its nightmare interior ergonomics and telematics. VAG can do better!
Tesla is more a software company than a carmaker, so good luck with that.
@@carsonj1 what does that have anything to do with what he said
VAG? Why does you call it that haha
@@carsonj1 these anti-tesla-reflexes are a bit childish. and i'm not a fanboy. we can all be grateful to elon musk for kicking VW in the butt to finally transform. save the planet.
@@davidbergmann8948 Volkswagen Audi Group. This is a VAG car. why don't you know this?
Another excellent review, Thomas. I feel I know a lot about this car now. As ever, excellent levels of detail and thoroughness, far better than in the magazines. Keep up the great work 👍🏼
Oh boy oh boy, those stamped indentations in the front bumper are going to be a nightmare to keep clean :P
Get the detailer brush out
That is a red flag on both poor design considerations and poor testing. This is what happens when testing is under camo wrap blankets.
haven't had any problems with keeping those clean in the 4 months I drive an ID.3. the black roof is and tail is much harder to keep clean
The controls, especially the steering wheel mounted haptics, is an exercise in fixing something that wasn’t broken. A case of style over function.
Its probably also because the old generation in power at VW cant distinguish between useful new tech and marketing jazz. Id be surprised if they get windows running themselves.
VW should have had their North American design centers do the entertainment SW work. All VW had to do was take their Audi SW add few improvements (ie copy Honda or Tesla), add over-the-air updates, and CALL IT A DAY. Yes, Germans love to over-engineer, but they should kept a delicate touch.
I’m surprised that least they left the traditional rear view mirrors, not some fancy rear view cameras as Honda Ev did, that car also had potential to be more affordable with its less gimmicks.
Style over function SUCKS.
@@baron_xd4633 After 4 months of owning and driving an id3 I can tell you that there's nothing wrong with the buttons and they sure as hell work a lot better than the physical one of my previous car.
I really appreciate your honest opinion. This is how high quality journalism should be and there arent many car magazines left that still do that.
highly appreciated.
This was a great review! Really good and detailed. Love that you speak so openly about everything, makes it much more helpful. 10/10 for the review, let's see what I give the car when I get the chance to test it myself.
I know I keep going on about these sliders, but the way VAG are adopting less intuitive and less safe controls is baffling. How do they get through functional and user acceptance testing?!
these sliders are better
@@jh5kl better than a rotary knob that you don't even need to look at in order to control and can do while moving? What planet are you on?
@@jh5kl No they are not, and that is why they are forbidden in cockpits
Its all about the cost. I have had VW/Audi products for the past 16 years and am concerned about what has happened since dieselgate. My newest Golf R does not feel as high quality as the last two and also is missing features while costing significantly more. Its as if the accountants have taken over, beware, this is what happened to GM in the 1980's and look at them now.
@@Jonoponomono I agree about cost cutting, though I'm not sure these sliders will be. New tech is rarely cheaper. They'd have been better sticking with the Mk7.5 infotainment and HVAC controls imho.
Volkswagen makes a downgrade in the quality of Golf model and now in ID3 make this....
Dieselgate is the answer, RIP VW
this seems the, corona is just a little flew, section of this video comments
Electric motors and battery packs are currently very expensive so car makers save money by cutting down on interior quality. Tesla makes batteries and motors in house so they can save some money on the EV drivetrain. Maybe one EVs become more popular, the drivetrain can become cheaper too.
Agree totally with your views about the interior and software. To me it seems that someone said ’be radical change everything’ but sometimes change for change's sake isn't the answer. In the UK we have a saying ’if it's not broken don't change it’, the window and wing mirror control gear is an example of this, there is nothing wrong with what they have at the moment. I'm sure they will sort it out, but they must do it quickly.
Getting one of these as a rental car soon, excellent in-depth video, lots of details shown. Thank you!
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Some additional information:
- the electric motor is a permament-magnet-synchronous motor, comparable from the principle to the new ones that Tesla is using
- While you could score the official range with city and countryside driving by reaching 13-14 kWh / 100 km, highspeed Autobahn driving (effective tested max. speed 165 km/h) resulted in about 23 kWh / 100 km.
- The left capactive button fiel on the steering wheel lets you control the cruise control with +10 and -10 km/h by a deep click, and if you just click in a very soft and shallow way, you can control +1 and -1 km/h with the very same button... just have to be very gentle...
In the 2 motors MEBs (e.g. ID-4) is the second motor an induction motor? It would be best like that because for running on one motor, the induction motor is easy to free wheel.
Foersom Induction motor in the front axle is laziest engineering ever. There are much better options available. Just google more.
@@jukkahamalainen4938 Nonsense. Lots of EVs use induction motors. E.g. Audi E-Tron SUV, Sportback, S. BMW IX3, Tesla dual motors, etc.. "Just google more." That is all the references you got???
@Foersom None of the EVs you mentioned is very efficient. For example electrically exited synchronous motor (aka SSM) would be much better choice in my opinion. I believe BMW is using similar in iX3. Let’s see what Autogeful think of it once they test it (hopefully) in the near future.
Wow, you got a lot of hits on this video! Shame about the interior plastics versus the e-Golf. No felt-lined door pockets either! Not a fan of sliders. And those steering wheel buttons don't sound good. No 360 camera. HUD good. I know sustainability is the ID.3 thing, but the Golf majored on quality & detail which made it a hit for 47 years. ID.3 will have to be very competitively priced to temp Tesla Model 3 customers versus Tesla's vastly superior charging infrastructure. Many thanks indeed Thomas & Team for a great Review. Cheers.
I think it's 10k less...
Perceived quality is important for VW - it's what made the Beetle and the Golf, in their day. Yes, I guess pricing will be critical versus quality, and the price of the Audi and Seat/Skoda versions. Plus the equipment levels and cost of options - a loaded up ID.3 with the big battery could be Tesla Model 3 territory maybe? Kia e-Niro makes an interesting price/size comparison too.
@@chuckles069 The ID.3 may be 10k less, but the Model 3 is a best seller, and out sells the BMW 3-series; so VW has to hope to try and get people out of Tesla Model 3's and into their ID.3's - it will have to be competitive and good, and be easy to charge at charging stations, and without having to wrap up wet and dirty cables in the rain and puddles! Or find a charger that is actually working!
And what about the Ford Mustang Mach-E BEV - will that be a competitor? From 40k? It has a fancy interior...! We will look forward to Thomas's commentary on that one! Cheers.
@@kitkat5337 Go look at the statistics in Norway for 2020. After a record breaking 2019 for the Model 3, it's flopping hard in 2020. Sales numbers collapsed after owners complained of bad customer service, delays in repairs and rust forming on their brand new cars. E-tron is the new ruler of the EV market there. You should look at Norway as the trend setter. People want cars that are reliable with good customer service which Tesla can't provide. It might be the best EV out there, but it still won't save it. Also charging networks are already getting close to Tesla's, as other manufacturers finally got their heads straight.
Great review as always!
Ironically at 30:08 when you said "high speed test" a neighbor started his vacuum :D
12:56 "okay, we're going into detail here, but this is Autogefühl" - this made me to subscribe ❤️️
It's like they have a flawed diamond here. Like you said, the hardware is really good but little things that made VW great seems to be disappearing - mainly around perceived quality. Why have soft-touch door cards on the Golf but not on this halo car? As for the haptic buttons - that needs to stop - let the electric motors and tech be the showcase, but keep things that work simply, like a knob and actual buttons stay, so we can appreciate all that innovation. Just think how much money the VW group spend on perfecting the clicks - only to take them away! haha. The interior seems to be letting the side down. Again, VW has an excellent 12" drivers display that I'm sure they could have repacked for the ID.3. That being said, I think I'd still choose this in my dream two-car garage - this as the daily driver, and a GT3 as a weekend car 😍 Great review as always Thomas.
I think they did a great job with this one, I agree about the plastics but for touch controls, how often do you change you side mirrors or temperature? For volume 99% of users will use the controls on the wheel
@Comeonuseyourbrain Definitely agree with some of your points. So long as the interior sound quality is good and not echoing, then I don't care all that much about hard touch surfaces. Sure, soft may look a bit better, but if it's more energy and resource intensive, then it's something we need to phase out. We need to be more responsible stewards of the planet. Wasteful luxuries that add very little to our lives but waste loads of energy need to stop. That said, they could have done a better job with the interior styling I think. OEMs... STOP USING PIANO BLACK! NO ONE LIKES IT! NO ONE!
One reason I saw in another video was, the ID3 will be build CO2 neutral. The soft touch plastic needs a lot of energy to build, compared to hard plastic. Obviously it was also done for cost cutting, but helps to achieve to goals at once.
But as long as everything that I touch on a regular basis feels good I dont care, never saw someone on the Autobahn hugging his dashboard because it feels so nice xD
Comeonuseyourbrain in that case why have any soft touch material whatsoever? Why have more powerful versions available and not just the most energy efficient? Why have 20” wheels available, they would surely be less efficient to create and run the vehicle?
besides Co2 emissions its all about costs. How to make a car like the ID.3 possible for under 30.000 Euro.
Hey, VW!
Bring the buttons back, not all, but the most important ones.
...and eliminate the black piano from cars. You are selling cars not piano or guitars as Yamaha does. It looks nice in the showroom, but in time it gets scratched no matter as much care you would take.
Well said!
The first manufacturer to produce a decent EV with more traditional car controls will win a large slice of the market, but then again I’m getting old...
@@davidorama6690 Agreed!
"No buttons it's the future" Tesla did that first.
All these crying is such idiot, in my opinion, but everyone have a personal tastes and I respect them. Despite the fact that it's really normal we accustom with a new functionality on a car. In a month use those functionalities will be done automatically
@@mateus.batista The future is made from present which becomes the past tomorrow, but without this past you have no foundation. Maybe you'll accustom in a month, and that's good for you but not all of us. Moreover, saying that all these crying is such idiot is a total disrespect, so try choose your words with much care please. If button would have been a wrong choice you wouldn't have seen them in a cockpit of an airplane or a rally car etc. Imagine a pilot sliding on a tablet. Of course that we are not pilots we are just drivers, but instead of sliding, pintching, navigating through a menu etc on a tablet, it's safer and faster to simply touch a button. However, it is true that a nice and good infotainment system requires agoid and nice tablet, which, by the way will eliminate the phisical buttons, which is good too. Our complain is not to bring all buttons back, but the main ones, and to get rid off that black piano trend which is simply kitsch and unoractical. In conclusion, that's explain why cars are so different and drivers too, and we don't want to spend all our money on bad shaped or build or unpractical cars. Anyway, thanks God that quite soon we will be able to choose between cars, other than Tesla or the ugly kID 3. That will be the future.
Amazing review, honest and thorough! Thank you!
The best and most in depth review seen so far, and I can't fault the conclusions. The price (in UK at least) is way too high for 1st edition. The prices for launch vehicles (available for general puablic just weeks after pre-boooker 1st edition roll out) looks more reasonable - but even then materials quality need to be upped - and quickly. I sat in ID3 in Frankfurt motor show last year and the interior quality feel I expected would be Golf refined like felt more like low end Kia. Not so good. Not at all.
Thanks for tuning in ✌️
You guys do such a great job, your shooting and editing are better than any of the American reviewers out there.
At 26:50 that’s actually because the break lights can’t be on movable parts of the car. So all just regulations
Not true. Audi saloons often have them integrated into the boot lid. It is true however that they need to be visible in any possible position. I suspect it being a hatch would mean it is not visible when up
That doesn’t explain why the black pieces below then have to be part of the boot? There is just metal below them so having them move up doesn’t really help?
@@Keneo1 trunk lid is made of plastic, no metal there :)
Not true. You can easily put brake lights on the rear bonnet (boot lid). They do need to have brake lights that are visible even if the bonnet is open. Most cars have split brake lights (some on the bonnet, some on the body) for this reason. Chevy Bolt has an extra set of lower lights below the bonnet on the car body. I imagine they did this so they could save on a separate wiring harness for lights on the bonnet itself. Whatever they did, I'm sorry but it's a bit of a mess. Corners like that are just asking to be broken or bent.
I don't always want a comprehensive review but when I do, I go to Autogefühl. Today is one of those days! I rather like the ID3. This or a 2L Golf, easy choice! Danke Thomas.
One of the most intelligent automobile reviews I have ever experienced. congratulations
Thanks
Wow! Finally. .I think you are the first ones with a complete review. Congrats!
What were they thinking with those mirror controls?! 🤯
I watch a ton of content like this. I really have to say your videos and carwow are my top 2! Great host and detailed information. It's a joy thanks :)
VW do indeed make a nice looking motor car. Well done on getting into the EV game VW, looking forward to seeing what you do next.
I'm always looking forward to it.
I am a Japanese who has been to Autostatt.
Thank you for the id3 report.
I watched it on TV when I was a kid, so I laughed at Knight Rider.
3:35 when you get close to the car with keys in your pocket, retro renault logo appears on the floor :D
What a great and in-depth review! Thank you so much!
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Never thought I would hear a track from A&B in a car review ❤️
Already needs a face-lift especially for the interior
Agreed. I think it’s emblematic of the design/decision-making process in a giant, leaden corporation.
I like the interior. Simple, minimalistic but edgy. No need to change it.The only complain is some cheap materials ( doesn t always mean cheap quality thought). But like Thomas said, the choice of material mirrors the price of the car.
No
The interior is a prime example of using new design and technology over actual user needs.
So, exactly like a Tesla.
@@truantray no
I really hope VW brings this car to Australia. I’d buy one in a heartbeat despite some obvious shortfalls and cost cutting in the interior. Bring it on VW Australia.
The metallic grey is absolutely gorgeous I'd have that the 19's and the white interior. What a stunning little car 😍
Woah! I’ve been waiting for this! Love Autogefül!
it feels like i waited forever for this review
Love this style of video. "Animal skin" certainly sounds less attractive than "genuine leather"
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"dead animal skin"
Rotting corpse
Thanks for excellent and most important - objective review!
The cost cutting for the sake of technology doesn't look good at all.
Volkswagen auto group does not care one bit about quality or customers, if the shareholders can save 1 cent on a part they will do so. (the engine chains for example)
Better than that Tesla junk. Imagine driving a Tesla that would be embarrassing, sooner take the bus!
KneeGrowObama Very intelligent and logical comment.
@KneeGrowObama It's not just the absence of premium materials, they're cutting physical controls that are still found in cheap cars like the Up or Polo. Don't fool yourself, it's much cheaper for VW to program once, then off-load controls for heating and infotainment to the infotainment system, than it is to manufacture physical dials and buttons for millions of cars. For the price they're charging, it's crazy how much they cheaped out on.
Maybe you get Some crack with the first Edition..
It feels like this car is doing all the easy stuff wrong.
Which is weird, because it's exactly what usually you can always trust VW to do well!
It 's not ment to be "an electric golf" they are trying new concepts, belive me, they could have just used the golf dashboard and interior if they wanted. I like the idea that they are trying, better than other car manufacturer.
@@francescomarialeo It's not an electric Golf so much that it has the very same external size and its name has been specifically chosen to define it as the Golf's successor. I agree not using the Golf's dashboard was deliberate, and I also agree it was good decision. What wasn't a good decision was to make a terrible dashboard compared to any electric car of its price - and actually, of almost any price.
The one great thing about it is the platform, but that dashboard in a 50K€ car? Hard pass.
Francesco Leo personally I think this is what Golf 8 should have been.
Great review as always. A&B ❤️
A review without a million ads - yes!!!!
VW needs to step back a bit, and glance at the Golf 7. That interior was more logical and felt more premium than that of the ID.3 and Golf 8. A lot of clever ideas in their new interior design, but a more conservative approach would have been better and more in line with classic VW. Evolution over revolution.
That is what happens when you have to develop 2 cars that compete with each other and are very different. They have to split the cost over the 2 models until they can ditch 1 of the 2. So it is in the best interest of VW fans to stop buying the ICE car and buy the BEV car, so that VW can get back at having semi-premium interiors. But a lot of those are hating on any BEV and will resist and stay buying ICE cars. So don’t expect VW to get back into semi-premium. People still have a hard time to accept that ICE is a dying bread. The solution to have kept the semi-premium interior was to work with a flexible platform like BMW does. Or like how the golf mk7 had a BEV version instead of a competing BEV model. VW did chose the long term best plan, so it is up to people to make the switch. And after the switch they can get back at what they do the best: offering German premium quality without charging the same German premium price
@@hoedjeexplains3661 ICE doesn't need to be a dying breed with such technologies ruclips.net/video/s1-soaZn4B0/видео.html
Hoedje Explains this should have been the Golf 8 too. They could have just developed 2 different floor plans and engine compartments. This , styling wise owes a lot to the original Golf.
@@MaximilianvonPinneberg That would be very wasteful. The most expensive part to develop is the platform. And it is not simple to just switch it the engine compartment since that is an important part of the structure for crash safety. That is why the e-golf didn't have a changed hood, aside of the closed vents in the front. Changing the design is much less expensive. That is how Skoda is cheaper than VW. VW engineers the platform, and Skoda only adapts it to have a better focus on their value for money (and thus bigger bootspace compared to VW equivalent). So it wouldn't have changed much to the costs if the ID3 would share the same body paneling as the golf mk8. And the interior would be the same hard plastic mess since sharing body paneling doesn't change much. Their current approach is the best they could do without giving up the ICE cars. Now they have both an ICE Golf and they have a real BEV counterpart instead of a compliance car. This should kickstarter the switch to BEV and phasing out of ICE. The only way they could have done better was to scrap the ICE version and focus on the BEV. But the average consumer isn't ready yet to embrace BEV. The only alternative way that might have worked, is the convergence platform like BMW uses. But than you get a BEV based on an ICE and you lose a lot of the upsides of BEV, like a shorter hood, a frunk and it is heavier than a BEV on dedicated BEV platform. So for every consumer this should be a clear sign, if you want VW to again get into the more premium interiors, you should stop buying the ICE cars and start buying their BEV. It is the only way they don't have to develop an ICE product and a BEV product that competes with each other. But as long as they have to keep the ICE alive, we will see cost cutting everywhere because of the almost double cost of the split approach. But hopefully, if the ID.3 proves to be reliable, consumers will embrace the BEV future we are entering and quit their addiction to fossil fuel cars
The problem is not an interior. The problem is software and hardware with which it works. The car is not just a car anymore, where engine and drivetrain and other stuff rules. The car is a computer first of all. The car is a software first of all. My conclusion is: VW is at least 5 years (or even 10) behind the Tesla.
Would love to hear your thoughts on pricing and value for money, especially given the alternatives.
My head is 🌀, Thomas did a great job in showing his frustration without saying a single word except hmm. It's unique.. hmmm 😀
Thomas, please review Tesla Model Y 🙏🏽
Sunil Nair he did say: “this is something i could live without” about the colored ‘wrap’ on the c pilar ;)
Absolutely! I'd love to see him review with model Y.
@Sunil Nair. .. The Fit n Finish of the Tesla will kill'em; Herr Thomas
ID3 = Model 3; ID 4 = Model Y. Would be good to get his Model 3 review soon.
Remember his comments on how nicely the ID3 handled on the highway - that’s the long wheelbase: good to see they didn’t compromise relative to the short overall length.
The mirror problem is avoided by doing it the safe way - adjusting them before driving, though his critiques of the controls is valid...
- Michael Schneider - The Teslas to be built in Berlin may surprise you.
That said, the visual tricks VW had to pull to make the ID3 look streamlined are truly something out of Detroit - the “need” for light paint on the front half of the C pillar is cuz the black half would be easier to register in your mind as visually awkward (as the back of the car actually is, cuz the bulk of the black upper is more easily seen against the blue bottom).
Detroit’s EV version of this is Ford’s e-Mustang, which has similar C pillar black magic (though I think their’s has just a little more design integrity to it). Regarding both of them, I’d like to see how the poor underlying design affects the cars’ CD.
But I think the ID3 is fixable, cuz all the weight of the car is low & between the axles: In such a short car, body overhang beyond the axles can be increased ~3cm (this would be the center half of the bumpers, with more severe angles to the outer bumpers wrapping to the wheel wells, so parking & turning would be no harder). Then move the back axle back ~3cm, increasing the wheel base by that much.
This accomplishes: (1) an even longer wheelbase for better handling; (2) with the other changes an improved CD; and, (3) remember how tight the back seat seemed & the reviewer’s complaint about excess seat slope? Use all the rear ~6cm lengthening to expand the rear seating space, w/ seats more bucket-like, more leg room & better lumbar support; (4) move back the entire rear cargo area ~6cm; and (5) reshape the rear lines of the car from the tail lights up w/ flowing lines that don’t need the cosmetic coverup you see now. This redo also saves money at the paint shop.
Do it at the next model year, along w/ simplification of controls & a redo of some of the interior hardscape. Then sell a bunch of EVs in America at US govt expense $7500/car!
For the IO I have to say that for some parts you're absolutely right, like for the windows they should have just kept the old control interface. But for other parts like the temperature control I really think you will get used to it because in any other car you also have to look at the control unit to see, if you reached the temperature you wanted and you can can also change it via voice control . So maybe a longtime test will only show if it can or can not be intuitive in the every day use. I'm sure in the past, as touchscreens came into the cars, people have also said that it is very unintuitive and will never find it's way into a car and here we are.
What a fantastic and detailed review. Top Gear should be ashamed
Who's going to watch a weekly TV show where they spend an hour reviewing a single car. That's what these youtube channels give us. Top Gear in its own words is a car based entertainment show. It hasn't properly reviewed cars for 20 years and is all the better for it.
@@pgraves839 You forgot about the review of the Ford Fiesta with the Royal Marines, the Skoda Yeti, ...
Always love your reviews Thomas! Thanks for this! And I love that you love A&B!
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Love the new ID3. I have to agree with Thomas. Overall the new VW is great but it's not 100% perfect. I hope they fix the interior issues next time the car is updated. I really hope VW deletes the piano black plastic in the interior and decides to change the door switches and touch controls to something more sensible.
Been looking forward to this video, great video as always Thomas!
'Above and Beyond' - Team Anjuna? :o
I really like this car. The pros outweigh the cons for me. With some further SW updates it can be even better.
I want buttons and knobs back. Loved them on "older" Audis and BMWs. I'm glad they kept their seat design. Those are comfy af.
Finally an electric car that actually looks good. Not like some Chinese models.
I have never seen a review of Thomas before, where he found that many things to complain about and still tried to keep his composure to not complain even more.
It's hard to believe that VW brings out a new vehicle with such a user unfriendly way to operate it.
And that's even without the quality of materials mentioned.
It's 30k Euro. Were you expecting a Porsche for golf money? This is the people's car. If you want something fancier VAG have Audi's and Porsche.
@@almac9203 The model shown was 50k euros
@@naarealy isn't this a preproduction model? The ID 3 starts at under 30k after government rebates. That's seriously cheap and according to a German poster there is an even cheaper version to come. The 50k model is the first edition and that comes with a host of optional extras.
@@almac9203 🤷♂️ At 30k, I would pick this over a Nissan Leaf, or the Korean competitors. At 50k+, I would choose Polestar for the best build and materials, or Tesla for the best technology, efficiency and performance. Either way, I'm glad there will be more competition in this space and I wish the best for VWs EV efforts.
@@naarealy the Polestar is 11k sterling more than the launch edition VW ID3 in the UK. They aren't priced in the same ballpark. You can't compare the usa price for a Tesla vs the German price for a VW because the Tesla in Germany is also more expensive. This is supposed to be a affordable ev for the masses. If people want something nicer, Audi have the very attractive ETron Q4 coming.
Thank you for this terrific review. I am very disappointed in the way that VW executed the human/machine interface.
Really great review, thank you
Been looking forward to this one, thanks Autogefühl for bringing the goodies!!
I may be splitting hair here, but at driving school I learned to adjust mirrors before driving ;).
why make it more complicated when it can be done in an easier was? Also, you do adjust mirrors while driving from time to time, furthermore if the car doesnt have automatic mirror adjustment when driving reverse, you do that in this situation as well
Always appreciate your reviews.
Too bad we are not getting this in the U.S. The light gray looks great. Thank you Thomas!!
I don't like the new trend of touch sensitive buttons everywhere. They are not practical and the drive needs to take his attention away from driving to check if the correct setting was set. Its a safety hazard and i'm glad the reviewer pointed it out.
It's a shame this model comes with a cheap looking plastics on the door and that shinny black trim that only looks ok the moment u finish cleaning it.
Agree, eyes off tactile feel is better ergonomics. Reason I won't buy a model 3. iPad on 4 wheels without even a speedo infront of the drivers view of the road. ID3 has much better instrumentation layout that Tesla Model 3
Totally agree. You have to distract yourself from the road to turn off seat heating or to adjust the mirrors.
I'm sure that there will be regulations about this after a couple of drivers wrap their new cars around trees while adjusting the climate control.
After having driven thie car for a week, i really felt in love with it. Driving is great an you can get along with the user interfaces very easily.
which model, max and what was final, road price? what range do you get, do you charge at home, how much it takes with regular 220v cabel without charger? thnx.
@@izoyt I had an ID.3 1st max, which is listed for about 49k €, but in germany you get 10k off of it due to governmental support. I averaged well above 370 km (420 km supposed) easily, really not driving slowly. I charged mostly at public stations. I dont yet have a wallbox at home, so i could only charge with 10 Amps, which means 2.2kW, which is fairly slow. Bare cable dont work, you need the included (i believe) charging adapter.
@@maxkarma4089 ithnx. i just checked, here in slovenia, listed price is around 51k for max version, and we get only 6k gov. support max (so, not so good start). prices are little too steep for my "taste" (but again, germany standard is better), i probably wouldn't pay over 30k for something, what is actually "golf" standard, even if it's electric. but near future will be interesting, for sure, "problm2 is, that oikl prices are very low because of situation etc.
you don't own the car anymore?
@@izoyt had it for 3 weeks. The ID.3 Max without the 1st edition starts at about 35k € (list). To me, thats a more realistic pricing
@@maxkarma4089 yes, starting model is listed about 34k here (with included 6k gov. submission). but than again, you probably get weaker battery, barebone equipment etc (where again, you get full specked ice car in this category). will check details a bit further on that, thank you for informations. oh, i forgot: how about service intervals etc, what is cost of this?
Kudos for using Above & Beyond’s “Love is Not Enough” as a sample tune! (The rest of the review was great, too)
Sympathisches Auto, sympathischer Test, sympathischer Tester. Danke für die interessanten Erkenntnisse about this vehicle
Overall look/design is just ok. It's no stand-out that's for sure.
Think the ones coming out from Skoda and Seat are more appealing.
ID.4 Crossover and ID Buzz van are going to be the ones people will be looking forward to.
Good idea on rear wheel drive - no torque steer! VW really going back to its roots...
A very informative review. Have you sold it to me? No. Have you put me off buying one? No. Will I buy one? I wish.
I'm one of those people that buys second hand, 5 years old, so the sooner this car in on the market, the better. I honestly think this will be the very best EV in Europe for the coming 10 - 15 year, at least for the average Joe. They do need to get that camper van out as well though, that is the very best mobile advertisement VW could ever have for electric vehicles.
Appreciate your German attention to detail and your professional criticism!
Can you do a review on the new 2021 Citroen C4 & E-C4
lol, and how often do you set your side mirrors when driving ? Beside some nickpiking about interface, a nice rewiev, and some answers about the driving experince, that sounded really good :)
Every time my wife or I swap drivers. It would annoy me to not be easy. And every time I parallel park.
Agree with K.C. Every now and again, for me. Often enough that it would drive me bananas.
In that case let’s make it really difficult unnecessarily!!
Some people change the mirrors multiple times per week.
Well done Thomas a great review as a big Volkswagen fan look forward to seeing one Ive just ordered a new Golf 8
Maybe some details are not perfect, but the important things are there. Great car to drive, not noisy in highway speeds, and a good sound system. Roomy interior. Rear wheel drive. I think it can become a success.
Great hardware, shame about the control interface. Thank you for a very honest, informative and objective review.
Superb review, thank you! VW need to “simplify” or “die”. This is the key differentiator for both Apple & Tesla. Their configurator is an over complex mess, so is their website and now you have shown their software is too.
Simple is not easy to do, especially for legacy process driven companies. They need to get their ass in gear though or Tesla will leave them behind in a cloud of EV dust!
@Z K .. You sexist schwein you!!- LoL. .. Signed, Herr Schneider, .. Vail, Colorado
@Z K Not an American, but he is right in a lot of ways. They added a lot of unnecessary new things just for the sake of it, all the capacitor buttons, like that touch button for choosing rear window operation. It is a step backwards for the sake of supposed innovation... I also think that they need to simplify their order system, with much more equipment included in designated packages instead of having to check every single item as additional equipment, makes it too time consuming for the customer during the buying(I once spent 3 hours specing out a Skoda Octavia at their dealership, and they have a system very close to VW) while also making their logistics a nightmare, they have to custom build every car for you due to insane amount of variables you can have with a car. Take Mazda for example, you have no additional options, just different trim levels with engine and color combinations, when you custom order your Mazda there is a great chance they have one already built somewhere, or at least already in the production pipeline.
Tesla wins. Why would anyone by this over a Model 3?
@@brownbodyewb its cheaper.
Great review Thomas
Excellent review. So detailed. Thank you
I have the feeling that it is a downgrade in many aspects, im drivin the Golf GTE (Facelift) and the interior is looking much better. This
black piano lacquer on the steering wheel looks horrible. I also dont rly get why there is no way to display the map in front of you, sure you can use the hud but for me its a major flaw. The whole thing looks like a copy of a cheap sci-fi cockpit in a trash movie. Styling a bit like Tesla, not my cup of tea. Outside is decent though, if you like it well rounded of course (I prefer a more edgy look).