Hi Brian .. I am sure that your ability as a mechanic is far above the problems that this machine has .. and I am sure that you are going to leave it repaired better than it left the factory on its day .. I have no doubt of it..a greeting from Spain and thanks for your time and for sharing your knowledge michel
@@bcbloc02 I follow you 💯 from 🇨🇦 #YSW I have two questions to ask you will you show more videos on Diesel engines rebuilding & big Traktor engines for tractor pulling you explain everything to the Tee when you are working on all of your lathes have a wonderful Monday 30th of August bye 👋 from #YSW Domenico Monteleone
We got 3 or 4 of them valve seat grinders and valve master grinders, ours were made by black and decker. Couldn't be without them, with all the restorations we got going on. Thanks Brian 👍🏻
I vote send it to Rob for an interesting video on trying to make it perfect, whilst you work on the rest of the machine. Thanks for the videos..👍🏻👨🏻🏭👨🏻🔧🇬🇧
Brian you are the Master of Disaster. In this throw away world we are living in it's a joy to see you work your magic. Keep on trucking with your down to earth common sense style.
@@bcbloc02 I’m fortunate enough my job( I run a large printer that prints banners and stuff like on billboards and all kind of different signage) allows me a lot of extra time while things are running, I get a good bit of watch time in everyday. I end up switching between you abom a lot lately.
@@bcbloc02 that’s true. For me I get sucked into peoples personality and you have a great one love your jokes and how you interact with everyone In the comments it’s great! Love how watching your videos is like being with my uncle as a little kid learning new things and tinkering with stuff.
Ha...there's plenty of life left in many of those old "antiques". And you'll never need an IT guy, have software issues, or system crashes. Looks like a nice little grinder. Thanks for sharing
Another great video Brian. I look forward to your next one, as always. It's good to watch an absolute master at work, how lucky we are to be in your presence.
Nice video! Patience is key to accuracy. I have a Kaiser Johnson saw like the one in background of video. Bought it from a rice farmer. He said he made 2 cuts with it and it cut so crooked he pushed it in the corner and never had time to investigate it. Lol. Good for me, I bought it for $200. He showed me the first cut. He cut a welded on sprocket off a shaft next to the weld. I put a new blade on and didn't have to touch. Still cuts good today, after 30 plus years. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with us. Just goes to show craftsmanship never goes out of style. 👍
Brian that valve grinder looks just like the one we used in vo-tech many years ago. I was put on grind duty for 1 day only because I was having too much fun grinding the margins off
Great old bit of gear, some times stoned will sore a hard insert where a more modern cutter wont and the seat needs to be replaced. I still have the old Warren and Brown stones tucked away here. I still have a wolf valve grinder here that needs some love one day when I get time.
One more tool to allow complete in house engine rebuilding, all you lack now is a crank grinder. The Crank Grinders are costly, but they give you the ability to turn (grind) extremely accurate hard surfaces. Enjoyed watching you troubleshoot the runout issue. You are a very skilled individual indeed. Be Careful and Stay Safe Bob
Hi Brian I do believe that snap on still sales parts for them. I know snap on has their own parts made just for their stuff though for the most part and is made just a little different than others so you have to get them from them. I have been a mechanic an shop owner for 40 years an have bought their equipment and it stinks when you need a part an have to get it from them. Good luck an they are nice when working right. Stay safe.
super cool! lets keep these machines alive. i was a long time auto tech and worked in a shop where we did a lot of our own valve jobs. i used similar valve grinding equipment. i was very satisfied with the quality of the finished product.
Nice score Brian, I did chuckle a little at the second shrink fit (like I have never done that!) , it does look like a great addition to your shop, take care and cheers!
Thermal cycle that thing a few time's , that valve will take a new shape . Good to know It started out straight though. Love the quickway stuff with the 7/16 pilots and that belt drive 4 speed boring bar ahhhh!!! so you know I liked( thumbs up) this video.
Excellent video it's nice to see you reconditioning the valve grinding equipment. I have a k o lee and Sioux valve grinding machines and a black and decker seat grinder I use them once in a while to fix heads mostly on 2 cylinder john Deere tractor engines
Useful tool, I used to clean and oil the collets before using them. A lot of valves were slightly bent. Try a length of silver steel/drill rod as a test bar. You could always re-purpose it as a tool grinder by replacing the Valve holding unit with a tool holding jig.
Brian it is too bad you live so far away. I have a Cinn. internal grinder that I rebuilt. With it you could easily get the collet holder running more true. I will second or third in saying that grinder looks like a Black & Decker grinder. I have the one my Great Grand Father bought new in the 1930s. It gets used every few weeks around here.
I've an old black n decker valve grinder . I use to do hundreds of small engine valve jobs in my shop. She runs oil for grinding them has almost new wheels too. I thought of selling her but I'm not giving it away . Now people want you to pay them to take your items. I paid dear for it so ill keep it . Good for pin grinding too.
Brian that looks like a KO Lee valve facer very nice unit sad thing is that they went Tang Uniform about 8-10 years ago. Besure to hang on to the collets very hard to find and expensive to buy there's 3 I think. Cheers
Try flipping the collet end for end. Last collet i bought was $125 used new one were costing $300 if you can find them. Also try running a ball flex hone wouldn't get to crazy with it
Baily ought to give you a treat for that but he'll just keep the murder chickens from roosting on your headboard which he's been doing all along. I 2nd the split fix. Getting something solid always works better than a spring. GBWYall!
Sweeeeet If someone else donates another one of them just know I have a spot in my tool room that is made for a tool just like that ... it's a universal slot so it will fit anything like Sioux or Snap-on
Nice Find Brian I had a B&D one years ago. Sold it wishes I hadn't. Your seat grinder looks to be the same as mine with a hex drive on it ended up with a spare driver for seat grinding. May be willing to part with it.
You mentioned RobRenz. He would have started this project making a hone and some kind of sub-micron fixture. I think you did well. Hope the tool works out well too.
Brian, you have the patience of a Saint! lol half a thou on a valve spindle? Usually more play in a new guide after Installation and reamingLol so what are you worrying about? It's an oil burner, they rattle and roll on from new!
I wonder what the original tolerance was on that setup. Glad to see you got it working though! One more tool you'll have at hand to do your custom builds. Hope all is well there! - TZ
What is the run out at the valve face while on the machine running? That is the runout that matters.Test it with a quality new valve, needs to be .002 or less. How bad do the stone holders wobble on the pilot? New stones holders and pilots are available, because the grinding dust eats them alive. Should either be a hex or star driver. Not sure who actually made the seat grinder, probably K.O. Lee. Do you have the oil tray that slides under the belly of the machine ? Should be an oil pump under the bottom of the belly. Do you have the stem grinder attachment and the valve depth stop rod ? The machine was actually made for Snap On by K.O.Lee . The K.O. Lee machine number is K403 series(135 lbs) K500 series (200 lbs). Goodson and Regis both sell wheels for the valve grinder. If I dig in my filing cabinet I probably have a K.O. Lee manual for it or can take pics of actual parts if needed. That is a nice machine, much better than a Sioux.
If you find a copy of the manual let me know as it would certainly be of value. The oil pump is made into the cable drive that runs the valve holder spindle. I do have the slide out drawer that holds the oil. The oil hose is toast but should be able to find a hose to fit it that oil won't eat up easy enough. I have the fork deal and micrometer stop for grinding the stem lengths yes. The 200lbs sounds about right. It is heavy for me to pick up. 3 of the stone holders are excellent one has a little wear but its less than .001"
@@bcbloc02 I did find the K.O Lee book but it was just a 2 page pamphlet that listed general specs and attachment parts list. It didn't say very much! The oil pump can be a pain to prime or at least mine is! I think I always had to back fill through the discharge line to help it prime. Somebody on ebay has a used machine that got parted out if you need anything. You can buy specific valve grinding oil , but a quality hydraulic oil will also work and much cheaper.
On EBay I saw a listing for a "Snap-On Valve Reshaper and Grinder VR200BM" $2,000 The photos make it look like it was used daily for at least 70 years.
Good to see a manual runout check on the surface plate. Generally speaking, on youtube there's lots of measurements of flatness on the surface plate, and lots of talk of maintaining concentricities in the machining setups and sequencing. Seldom do we see setups on the surface plate for verification checks on roundness, concentricities and runout.
Went back to first part of the video, but can't pick up what drives the collet chuck! Is there a shaft that comes up through the base with gear that meshes with collet gear?
@@Hoaxer51 Absolutely zero tolerance. Detroit 6-71 engines did not have intake valves. They are a 2-stroke diesel with ported intakes and 4 exhaust valves. Posted it as a humorous post. So being there are no intake valves the valve grinder's tolerances are not good enough to grind them. However, with 4 exhaust valves per cylinder, they well made plenty of grinding to be done.
@@bcbloc02 That happens when those Jimmy owners try to run without air cleaners or ones with holes in them. The rings get lapped to nothing or some chunk gets in the port and then you have to replace the piston and liner. And maybe a rod and crank.
Brian you do better and more complicated work without the fancy new equipment some others have! Their channels are for wannabees and they are too full of themselves!
These tools find you because people know you will take care and make good use of them.
There is no higher compliment that can be made!
No matter how old or antique it is , it'll work fine with the right hands on it - you got those hands, Brian!
Remember that all new machines are built with old ones
From the first bronzesmith that forged a hammer to beat on other hot metal.
I enjoy that any horizontal surface, including the floor, is a work bench.
i have been doing valve jobs with a machine that was built in 1945 for over 35 years and have had no issues with it the were made well back then
Hi Brian .. I am sure that your ability as a mechanic is far above the problems that this machine has .. and I am sure that you are going to leave it repaired better than it left the factory on its day .. I have no doubt of it..a greeting from Spain and thanks for your time and for sharing your knowledge
michel
Fingers crossed!
@@bcbloc02 I follow you 💯 from 🇨🇦 #YSW I have two questions to ask you will you show more videos on Diesel engines rebuilding & big Traktor engines for tractor pulling you explain everything to the Tee when you are working on all of your lathes have a wonderful Monday 30th of August bye 👋 from #YSW Domenico Monteleone
We got 3 or 4 of them valve seat grinders and valve master grinders, ours were made by black and decker. Couldn't be without them, with all the restorations we got going on.
Thanks Brian 👍🏻
I vote send it to Rob for an interesting video on trying to make it perfect, whilst you work on the rest of the machine.
Thanks for the videos..👍🏻👨🏻🏭👨🏻🔧🇬🇧
Brian you are the Master of Disaster. In this throw away world we are living in it's a joy to see you work your magic. Keep on trucking with your down to earth common sense style.
I will do and I appreciate your vote of confidence! :-)
Hell yea new Brian video!
I’m about 10 shy of being thru every video.
You have made good progress! I have a pretty good library of videos by now.
@@bcbloc02 I’m fortunate enough my job( I run a large printer that prints banners and stuff like on billboards and all kind of different signage) allows me a lot of extra time while things are running, I get a good bit of watch time in everyday. I end up switching between you abom a lot lately.
Adams videos are a more refined viewing experience but I do cooler stuff. :-)
@@bcbloc02 that’s true. For me I get sucked into peoples personality and you have a great one love your jokes and how you interact with everyone In the comments it’s great! Love how watching your videos is like being with my uncle as a little kid learning new things and tinkering with stuff.
Ha...there's plenty of life left in many of those old "antiques". And you'll never need an IT guy, have software issues, or system crashes. Looks like a nice little grinder. Thanks for sharing
Another great video Brian. I look forward to your next one, as always. It's good to watch an absolute master at work, how lucky we are to be in your presence.
Glad you enjoyed it I will try to master camera angles better next time! lol
Nice video! Patience is key to accuracy. I have a Kaiser Johnson saw like the one in background of video. Bought it from a rice farmer. He said he made 2 cuts with it and it cut so crooked he pushed it in the corner and never had time to investigate it. Lol. Good for me, I bought it for $200. He showed me the first cut. He cut a welded on sprocket off a shaft next to the weld. I put a new blade on and didn't have to touch. Still cuts good today, after 30 plus years. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with us. Just goes to show craftsmanship never goes out of style. 👍
That was indeed lucky for you! My saw dates to ww2 and it still cuts straight.
I think my saw is a 1964 model. They don't make em like that any more!
Nice addition there Brian!
It suits one of your work lines beautifully.
Brian that valve grinder looks just like the one we used in vo-tech many years ago. I was put on grind duty for 1 day only because I was having too much fun grinding the margins off
You do like to go hard with those grinders! lol
Great old bit of gear, some times stoned will sore a hard insert where a more modern cutter wont and the seat needs to be replaced. I still have the old Warren and Brown stones tucked away here. I still have a wolf valve grinder here that needs some love one day when I get time.
No time like the present. :-)
That’s some precision handiwork right there Brian. A true master machinist.
Thanks!
One more tool to allow complete in house engine rebuilding, all you lack now is a crank grinder. The Crank Grinders are costly, but they give you the ability to turn (grind) extremely accurate hard surfaces. Enjoyed watching you troubleshoot the runout issue. You are a very skilled individual indeed.
Be Careful and Stay Safe
Bob
Thanks and I have my eye out for a good crank grinder.
Those are some great additions to your arsenal.
Hi Brian I do believe that snap on still sales parts for them. I know snap on has their own parts made just for their stuff though for the most part and is made just a little different than others so you have to get them from them. I have been a mechanic an shop owner for 40 years an have bought their equipment and it stinks when you need a part an have to get it from them. Good luck an they are nice when working right. Stay safe.
Solid machine, i remeber watching my dad run one of those when i was just a kid. That one is in hands that can put it to good use. Thanks for sharing!
Nice old grinder, will be better than most modern junk. Should do exactly what you need from it.
Yep it should be a great unit once I get it all dialed in.
super cool! lets keep these machines alive. i was a long time auto tech and worked in a shop where we did a lot of our own valve jobs. i used similar valve grinding equipment. i was very satisfied with the quality of the finished product.
It will do the job for sure.
Nice score Brian, I did chuckle a little at the second shrink fit (like I have never done that!) , it does look like a great addition to your shop, take care and cheers!
Thermal cycle that thing a few time's , that valve will take a new shape . Good to know It started out straight though. Love the quickway stuff with the 7/16 pilots and that belt drive 4 speed boring bar ahhhh!!! so you know I liked( thumbs up) this video.
Excellent video it's nice to see you reconditioning the valve grinding equipment. I have a k o lee and Sioux valve grinding machines and a black and decker seat grinder I use them once in a while to fix heads mostly on 2 cylinder john Deere tractor engines
Useful tool, I used to clean and oil the collets before using them. A lot of valves were slightly
bent. Try a length of silver steel/drill rod as a test bar. You could always re-purpose it as a tool
grinder by replacing the Valve holding unit with a tool holding jig.
Thanks for the tips!
Mr. Pete is envious of the Starret box tucked under your surface plate! 😆
As if he doesn't have enough of his own....
Who doesn't love a good precision square? :-)
@@bcbloc02 but who needs another when they already have 7 or 8 of them?
He's a hoarder, that old guy...... 😉
Good job there Brian. You snapped right on to that problem.
Nice score on the valve service equipment.
Yes it was. I have some super awesome viewers that help out so much!
Brian it is too bad you live so far away. I have a Cinn. internal grinder that I rebuilt. With it you could easily get the collet holder running more true. I will second or third in saying that grinder looks like a Black & Decker grinder. I have the one my Great Grand Father bought new in the 1930s. It gets used every few weeks around here.
I have found it to be a ko lee grinder.
@@bcbloc02 I own a ko lee surface grinder. The first look at this machine and I said to myself ko lee had to have built it.
Looks like my Black and Decker mirror Master ! Think there might be a bit of badge engineering!!! Going on
I love those old ames indicators. Jeweled or not they have an awesome feel to them.
Robrenz would have been all up in that with diamond lapping compound and gauge pins! lol Great job!
I mean it may still come to that. LOL
@@bcbloc02 That will be no surprise either. Where there's a will---
There's diesel quality, and then there's Astrospace/optical quality.
Me, I don't live on Mars
That is made for snap on by KO out of aberdeen SD. I have the same on accept k-500 model. Bit bigger motor I believe.
That will a nice piece of equipment when you get finished with it. You are the fix it man!!
I hope so!
I've an old black n decker valve grinder . I use to do hundreds of small engine valve jobs in my shop. She runs oil for grinding them has almost new wheels too. I thought of selling her but I'm not giving it away . Now people want you to pay them to take your items. I paid dear for it so ill keep it . Good for pin grinding too.
I Sold my old B&D wishing I never did
Brian that looks like a KO Lee valve facer very nice unit sad thing is that they went Tang Uniform about 8-10 years ago. Besure to hang on to the collets very hard to find and expensive to buy there's 3 I think. Cheers
I read in a book there were 3 collets available I only have one size.
Try flipping the collet end for end. Last collet i bought was $125 used new one were costing $300 if you can find them. Also try running a ball flex hone wouldn't get to crazy with it
Baily ought to give you a treat for that but he'll just keep the murder chickens from roosting on your headboard which he's been doing all along. I 2nd the split fix. Getting something solid always works better than a spring. GBWYall!
Sweeeeet
If someone else donates another one of them just know I have a spot in my tool room that is made for a tool just like that ... it's a universal slot so it will fit anything like Sioux or Snap-on
Will keep that in mind! :-)
You sir, are a genius!! Nice fix!!
Thats a awesome piece for the shop
Agreed!
we all love to tinker lol
Nice Find Brian I had a B&D one years ago. Sold it wishes I hadn't. Your seat grinder looks to be the same as mine with a hex drive on it ended up with a spare driver for seat grinding. May be willing to part with it.
I have 4 drivers in this set and that should last me a lifetime no more than I will use it.
Ah the ole VR 300.... junior samples had the newer model. BR 549
You mentioned RobRenz. He would have started this project making a hone and some kind of sub-micron fixture. I think you did well. Hope the tool works out well too.
That is because he is a pro and I am just a guy working in a barn. :-)
@@bcbloc02 Ha. If you're just a guy working in a barn, I'm a Neanderthal working in a cave.
Brian, you have the patience of a Saint! lol half a thou on a valve spindle? Usually more play in a new guide after Installation and reamingLol so what are you worrying about? It's an oil burner, they rattle and roll on from new!
Want the best job possible, not just within sloppy factory tolerances. :-)
Looking great Brian !
Thanks 👍
I wonder what the original tolerance was on that setup. Glad to see you got it working though! One more tool you'll have at hand to do your custom builds. Hope all is well there! - TZ
Book says .001" was original tolerance.
5:10 I felt that an all!
Yea, I felt it and I still chuckled about it even though I knew how it felt.
What is the run out at the valve face while on the machine running? That is the runout that matters.Test it with a quality new valve, needs to be .002 or less. How bad do the stone holders wobble on the pilot? New stones holders and pilots are available, because the grinding dust eats them alive. Should either be a hex or star driver. Not sure who actually made the seat grinder, probably K.O. Lee. Do you have the oil tray that slides under the belly of the machine ? Should be an oil pump under the bottom of the belly. Do you have the stem grinder attachment and the valve depth stop rod ? The machine was actually made for Snap On by K.O.Lee . The K.O. Lee machine number is K403 series(135 lbs) K500 series (200 lbs). Goodson and Regis both sell wheels for the valve grinder. If I dig in my filing cabinet I probably have a K.O. Lee manual for it or can take pics of actual parts if needed. That is a nice machine, much better than a Sioux.
If you find a copy of the manual let me know as it would certainly be of value. The oil pump is made into the cable drive that runs the valve holder spindle. I do have the slide out drawer that holds the oil. The oil hose is toast but should be able to find a hose to fit it that oil won't eat up easy enough. I have the fork deal and micrometer stop for grinding the stem lengths yes. The 200lbs sounds about right. It is heavy for me to pick up. 3 of the stone holders are excellent one has a little wear but its less than .001"
@@bcbloc02 I did find the K.O Lee book but it was just a 2 page pamphlet that listed general specs and attachment parts list. It didn't say very much! The oil pump can be a pain to prime or at least mine is! I think I always had to back fill through the discharge line to help it prime. Somebody on ebay has a used machine that got parted out if you need anything. You can buy specific valve grinding oil , but a quality hydraulic oil will also work and much cheaper.
I’m just not quite sure what to say other than good job and how can anybody hit the thumbs down
Some people just don't like the way I talk.
Neat stuff, thanks.
Hmm, if there isnt any obvious wear on the inside of the cone, this is just sanding one side to compensate for wear on the collet.
On EBay I saw a listing for a "Snap-On Valve Reshaper and Grinder VR200BM" $2,000
The photos make it look like it was used daily for at least 70 years.
Many ebay sellers like to dream..................................
I think that’s a pretty good score!!
Epic video cowboy
Ride Ride!
@@bcbloc02
more southern style cowgirls please
@@bcbloc02
hey BigMan
when r u gonna build a packistani truck
Nice bit of fiddling to get it true. Did my uK package turn up?
Good to see a manual runout check on the surface plate. Generally speaking, on youtube there's lots of measurements of flatness on the surface plate, and lots of talk of maintaining concentricities in the machining setups and sequencing. Seldom do we see setups on the surface plate for verification checks on roundness, concentricities and runout.
Never know what you will see on my channel. I cover most all of it at some point. :-)
Enjoyed
Went back to first part of the video, but can't pick up what drives the collet chuck! Is there a shaft that comes up through the base with gear that meshes with collet gear?
There is a speedo type cable that drives a worm gear in the collet spindle.
Looking good!
Thanks!
Groovy.
You are one lucky guy
The harder you work, the more luck you have. Brian works pretty hard :)
Did you do the electrical my grandfather bought or new and after so many years the electrical just went out and trying to figure it out
I have not messed with any of the electrics. It is just a typical 110v motor with a toggle switch to break the circuit so nothing hard to wire up.
nice piece of equipment,,
The stone holders, mandrels, wear out worst and first .
Good
Hey, what is that "JOHNSON" greenish machine you got there? Is it some sort of bandsaw or something
Yeah it is my Johnson Model J horizontal bandsaw.
5:10 How'd that get hot?!
Hiya Brian
Still not good enough to grind the intake valve on a Detroit 6-71... Within specs for the exhaust valves. Nice looking machine.
Those must be some tough spec’s, what is it for a intake valve?
@@Hoaxer51 Absolutely zero tolerance. Detroit 6-71 engines did not have intake valves. They are a 2-stroke diesel with ported intakes and 4 exhaust valves. Posted it as a humorous post. So being there are no intake valves the valve grinder's tolerances are not good enough to grind them. However, with 4 exhaust valves per cylinder, they well made plenty of grinding to be done.
I was actually going to say the rings lap the intakes on a Detroit. :-)
@@bigun447 , dang it, I knew that and I fell for it anyway!
@@bcbloc02 That happens when those Jimmy owners try to run without air cleaners or ones with holes in them. The rings get lapped to nothing or some chunk gets in the port and then you have to replace the piston and liner. And maybe a rod and crank.
Like #204
Thanks for the video!
Thanks for the visit
Hey Brian 🙂
Hey there!
Is the stone driver running .375 or .385 pilots?
.375
It wouldn't be quite so noisy if it were sitting on a solid bench rather than tin cabinet.
This is true.
If it casts a shadow, it can be rebuilt....
Hows the dynamometer?
Untouched. I want to finish the hyster before I tear into that.
Brian you do better and more complicated work without the fancy new equipment some others have! Their channels are for wannabees and they are too full of themselves!
I K noticed at 5:12 didnt take you long to check that horseshoe.
I think a broken heart bout all you can't fix.
Great bit of education and "show an tell" , enjoyed.