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Oh sorry its the Best GPU for Gaming 2024 video. I'll add it. Basically there are no gen 5 GPUs and no plans to make them anytime in the lifetime of a current pc
I just upgraded last year, don't use AMD, and already know most of this stuff but I still click because this is the fastest, most passionate, most detailed knowledge about my hobby on this website.
Well if you want intricate knowledge you should probably watch guys like Actually Hardcore Overclocking and Frame Chasers. This channel is definitely for newbies but I will say he doesn't steer people in the wrong direction. Most people are brand loyal and not intelligent. When they should only care about the fastest. That's why I currently run a 4090 and 7800x3d. If AMD didn't suck so bad in the graphics market, and could produce the fastest I would go with them as simple as that. Makes me sick.
@@orion9k "A" chipsets for Ryzen (like A320, A520, and A620) don't allow overclocking or PBO and usually are very barebones. It's fine for a super low budget build but you can also find a used or even new B450 for a little more, if not the same price anyways that's probably better.
My AM5 system uses the Asrock Steel Legend X670E motherboard and I love it. My AM4 system uses the Steel Legend B550 variant and I also love that motherboard. I haven't had any trouble with memory timings, odd motherboard issues, or needing additional tweaking to get everything working.
@@mistera1577 Been working just fine. Haven't had any audio glitches. Two of the game I play use to drop audio right frequently. When I switched to the Steel Legend board from the Prime B450M-A board: I haven't had anymore audio glitches.
Seems nobody wants to talk about the ASRock B650 LiveMixer, for some reason. Incredible amount of USB ports, very good VRMs, Nahimic audio, a Gen 5 NVMe slot, and two Gen 4 NVMe slots. $150 at Newegg.
I bought it. The audio sounded like a garbled garbage disposal with regular music compared to my TUF X670. My X670 is beyond overkill for my use case, but the audio is leaps and bounds ahead of this. Since all I do is game and record music, I went back to my overpriced board because it works so much better. Maybe I got a one-off that just leaked thru the QA process, but that was enough for me to go back.
The E boards also have an entire 2nd x670/b650 chipset on them, which is why they have those slots and usually more high speed connectivity(usb thunderbolt etc) its not just product segmentation, there is actual extra hardware.
4:00 I must add that your Motherboard supporting 4 m.2 slots for example, or having support for PCIe Bifurcation are premiums for X series boards, rarely seen on B series boards, that further future proof your system. But you are right, not everyone will keep adding drives when they are running out of storage, and not everyone will buy a PCIe x8 GPU that has slots for 1 or 2 m.2 drives running at PCIe x4.
Already pulled the trigger on a B650 PG Lightning got a pretty good deal on it at 160 euros, but this gives me a pretty good insight in building a pc for a friend and potentially saving him money, great video as always jason u've been a huge help, great content as usual.
I've been using the MSI B550-A Pro / 5800X3D combo for about two years is MSFS. It's a great budget board with a great VRM section (one of the most important parts of any motherboard. I had to buy a WiFi 6 PCI card, which added some cost, but overall I've been very happy.
@@eracer1111 How much cost the wifi adaptor? I have onsight that msi on 109 and a asus tuf 20 bucks pricier, but with wifi integrated. Which should i buy. I already compared both and they are really similar, just the wifi thing between them
Aaaaay, the MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk WIFI. I bought that one from Best Buy back in November for $172 plus tax. Freakin' love it. Everything I wanted in a new platform.
Thanks for this guide man! I usually always skip long vids like this but this was very informative and also discussed what I needed to know on motherboards.
I just built a new pc a couple months ago, I have the b650 elite ice with a 7600x and the controversial a770 with 32 gb ddr5.. I've been very pleased with the performance and have plenty of headroom for future upgrades
Yea I’m struggling to narrow it down for my 7950x3d. I got it for a killer deal, prob over kill for me but pumped about it. Looking at the asrock taichi lite from “hardware unboxing” reviews Problem is it’s an eatx Not sure if it’ll fit in the thermaltake tower 600 when it comes out Happy with the 670?
It’s very important to note that certain motherboards will automatically lower the speed of the top PCIe slot if you plug anything into the 2nd and 3rd slots, which means your GPU will take a performance hit. My particular motherboard (Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master) does this, and lowered the top slot from PCIe 4.0 down to PCIe 3.0 after installing an expansion device into the 2nd PCIe slot.
2:40 been watching your videos for some time now. The presentation with hand gestures and the other small details like that you include are a form of ASMR. I find rather relaxing watching you do those things. Keep up the good work. 👍🏻
Thanks, Jason! I just picked up a Ryzen 5 7500f on AliXpres for under $130 (first time buyer deal) and will be pairing it with an RX 6800 GPU. I was online last night trying to pick a motherboard. This really helped so I appreciate your recommendations.
I’ve heard that there are some issues where 7000 CPUs and motherboards end up booting slowly. Is there any recommendation for a board that would be better for this over other ones? Thanks!
Someone help, please! I’m a first time builder. Will an Asus Tuf Gaming X670E motherboard with a Ryzen 7 7800X3D and RTX 4070 Super be compatible and run 1440p? Thank you!
Its all compatible but this combo is great for production focused builds. If that is your aim then perfect. If just 1440p gaming is your focus you don't need to spend that much on your motherboard and I'd recommend a 7900XT on the GPU. See our Best Builds February video (in our builds and parts list on the channel page). We have a great sample 7800X3D gaming build there
Well good job on this video, it’s very good. Awesome content at start about the cryptic board descriptions. But in the mid part I was kinda shocked, that you seem to value boards on their connectors. Don’t forget that you need to see behind the connectors - some of them don’t work in some combos on some boards. Most important is here the compatibility or better to say the layout of some boards can deny full PCI-E x16 if used with m2 in some combinations. That’s the reason why some boards with x670 chipset are so “overpriced”.
The MSI Edge B650 WiFi is a better board than the B650 WiFi Tomahawk version (also costs a bit more) & that is what I used on my recent Ryzen 9 7900 12C/24T 1440p build. My late-2019 3700X 1080p build used an MSI B450 Tomahawk motherboard & that PC is still running great today with all the original hardware, so both board options are a good choice really.
It's a great board. The only real difference is the white styling and the addition of PCIE Gen 5 M.2 Support. Personally I like the look of the edge more than the Tomahawk (I know some people love matte black but I personally favor the black/white or black/silver look). And it goes on sale cheaper than the Tomahawk sometimes too.
I have bought all my keys through them anonymously for the past 3 years (dozens of keys at this point) so I am very comfortable recommending. For a fresh build windows instal check out our "After you build" set up guide for a how to
They are usually legit, part of the reason they're so cheap is that usually you get an OEM key from those sorts of sites. This key will be hardware locked to the computer after you use it, not allowing for it to be transferred down the line (as may be necessary with a big upgrade). Also, less important for most people making their own PCs but OEM keys are backed by the OEM that made/provided them, and not windows, so things like tech support are on them, and windows doesn't have to responsibility for this kind of thing.
need a b650 with spdif output and Proper quality. not gonna overclock. issue is so many positive And negative reviews for every possible mainboard.... putting the Ryzen 7 (x3d) in it and a 4070 gfx card
I have a B550 in my 2020 build, with a 3800X and a 3060Ti. Im kind of astonished that the B550 is still on the thumbnail image for a "best Ryzen Mobo's in 2024" video 😅 Recently updated to 5800X3D, and im looking to go next gen Radeon when 2025 rolls around.
Love it. And from a sound perspective, just so surprinsing how so few of these boards have the RealTek chip 1220 + optical Toslink output. How are you going to live without it today ??? Given this combo should work as well as a 124 dB SNR Sound Blaster ZxR combo, with only 24 bits 96Khz capabilities, or even the newer ones.
I got the Gigabyte x670 gaming x ax v2 for a 7800x3d is there anything wrong with this motherboard? Ive read that it doesnt have the best audio will that affect the quality of sound in my headset?
Does anyone know how much gpu sag is acceptable before it's actually a problem? My gpu is 305mm long and sags by 3/16 of an inch (4.7mm) and I'm just wondering if that's too much or if it'll be fine.
I just ordered my new parts and went with the ASUS TUF Gaming B650. Sort of got it by accident because I'd changed down from the ASUS ROG Strix B650E to budget for a monitor and forgot to change it back when I removed the monitor!! This is reassuring that the one I'm getting will still be a quality item, even if not the top level!! To be honest, as long as it causes no problems Im happy
I built two computers last year using Asrock motherboards (AMD with GPU, Intel with no dedicated GPU) and both has odd random screen blanking issues. I'm not sure where the issue is but I'm about to change one of the motherboards to see if that was causing it. The common denominator between the two PCs is the MB manufacturer. Thoughs?
I still can decide what to go with I’m going with a 7800x3d cpu with a 4090 gpu I got the b650e-f in my cart but still thinking if that’s what I should go with I’m not doing any video editing and stuff like that I’m building this for pure gaming any recommendations would help thanks and my budget is up 300$ for the motherboard even maybe 350$ if it’s worth it
@@PCBuilderChannel thank you ended up going with the b650e-e but I’ve been reading that asus boards are blowing up cpus so I’m kind of worried about that
As far as I know, USB is always backwards compatible. For example if you plug a usb2.0 drive in a usb3.0 slot it’ll run at 2.0 speeds an vice versa. The red coloured ports are USB 3.1.
Got the B650 Tomahawk a few months back on my first build. I really like it and decided to forego the Micro Center bundle with the Gaming X AX to get this mobo and the lower CL RAM of my choice
Jason, I've been on the fence here lately. Not sure what your thoughts are on getting into Ryzen 7000 series now, or waiting until their next generation later this year. I'll be targetting somewhere around 7900x3d territory of wanting a good workload PC while also netting solid gaming performance. I game in 4k, so not too worried about having a pure gaming chip. Thoughts on waiting versus not?
HI Which board would Recommend this year, I upgrading my MSI Meg X570 which has a 5900x, and i am changing this to 7800 X 3d,, and i am looking for a board with at least 4 m.2 slots and two USB C ports Thanks
I think you are highly overestimating how fast people have been upgrading saying that "most" people dont even use sata ports anymore. I think most people are still on sata and a high portion of people are still using hard drives. M.2s are still very new for almost every normal people out there.
AM4 is surprisingly still getting chip releases geting 2 more this year it seems so it's good to keep up to date on the boards available for the platform. For that reason bios flashback is mandatory for any AM4 board. I would also say that if rear IO is important to you maybe check out the B550M AORUS ELITE AX. Personally I got a good deal on a MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK WiFi and still thinking of getting a add on card to slot into the 3.0x1 slot to shift some of my devices closer to the bottom of my case for organization of cables and to free up the better rear IO ports.
Hello everyone! I bought a motheboard MSI PRO B650-S WIFI, but thinking about swap it for B650 AORUS ELITE AX. Setup: 7800x3d, 64gb ddr5 cl32, 4070 ti sup, 850 watt, arctic iii 360. Does it worth? Or just build and enjoy?
MSI B650 Gaming Plus Wi-Fi, ASrock B650 PG Lightning or ASRock B650 Pro RS? I don't care about wi-fi and bluetooth stuff. Just want to get better and stable one.
What is an M2X_Sb slot? Is this an m.2 slot? I have a b650m c v2 motherboard and im trying to determine where to put my additional SSD? Im not sure if i need to use a PCIEX1 or the M2X_SB.
I'm locked into a higher price range because I want a post code led screen to do my own troubleshooting if need be. I don't want a brick. It's just a little extra built-in tech support insurance. (And a SPDIF is nice). But, I'm limited to the Taichi Lite or the Strix E-E. A post code screen is like a $5 feature that I have to pay $50-$80 more to get now. ~eyeroll~ Any thoughts?
I went with a Gigabyte X670E Aorus Pro X for my 7800x3d White looking PC build. Did I make a bad decision lol? I'm putting it together this weekend when all my parts come in.
I would agree on the A series. However, there are several -very- bad B boards. The one thing is, we're starting to see X series in that same price segment (see Asrock X670E Pro, which is now in several places below $200) that said, the most significant benefits of X670E do matter depending on your end use plan. Having a 10Gbe onboard was a virtual requirement for what I was after, as a Quadro is going to take up slots, and I have repeatedly upgraded my NVME to as fast as I can go for video swap surface before it gets to my NAS. One other item you don't often find on B650 is Thunderbolt4, which, if you are also dealing with creator purposes, you are likely to need. So, plan on your purpose. Are you building to game? Or are you building to create? Very different. And, at a certain point, you may hit an area where looking at Threadripper pays off. I'm not eager to upgrade my Threadripper 5975, but PCI-E lanes, but for some users, this will matter. Keep in mind: fastest graphics card will also be very different based on your build purposes.
First, Thanks to this video, gonna build my pc just like this however no mention of ASRock B650E STEEL LEGEND WIFI AM5 ATX Motherboard ??? any thoughts please ?
I currently have an Asrock B450 Fatal1ty mainboard that I will eventually need to upgrade to take advantage of PCIe 4. The main problem, though, is that this particular B450 is not as flexible as I thought when it comes to storage options. If I add a second M.2 drive, for example, I have to give up a couple of SATA ports. My impression is that the X570 boards don't have a similar issue, but if I _have_ to go with a B550, which ones don't force you to sacrifice storage options? I do not want to go with B550M, though, because those come with way fewer USB ports.
Don't the ASRock B650i and A620i lightning have 2 M2 slots? Different speeds, but still 2 slots. If so, does that change your ITX recommendation at all? Thanks for the great video!
Well, Gen 5 PCI-e slot is far from useless if you are going to use next gen GPUs. Nvidia 5000 and AMD 8000 series onwards most likely will use gen 5. That is later this year or 1H of 2025. Also, x670 has a lot more PCI-e lanes. Meaning B650 boards are going to disable connections if some other connections are used. So B650 actually can't use as many m.2 slots as advertised as slots. Also some B650 boards actually disable half of GPU slot. So you are getting 8x GPU if you use that another slot for anything.
Yep, paying the extra for PCIE gen 5 now was worth it to me , rather than tear my system apart to change out a MB that has gimped my upgrades in two years time.
@@tonydalimata When I built my new PC last summer, E and non-E versions were about same price aswell. Those still are, unless you compare budget level boards with higher end. Makes that decision pretty much no-brainer.
I have a 3700x cpu and am looking to upgrade from my B450 Gaming Plus Max. Should I upgrade and, if so, could I use the ASRock B550 PG Riptide? I don't like mini and micro MOBOs.
Hey, i have been watching your videos a lot since im debating on an upgrade i was wondering if you can help me out. I have a 4080 and a 5900x with 3200 32gb ram currently. I am debating on upgrading out of my 5900x to a 7900x or 7800x3d (microcenter has a bundle deal with mobo and 32gb ram) OR just pushing my ram to 64gb and not going to the am5 socket yet. I stream and game at the same time as well as make YT content. Just debating on the best option to upgrade. please help me out!!!! im back and forth on it so much. (if there is a better option maybe point me that direction as well!) Thank you!!!!!
You always mention sometimes a motherboard doesn't come with a certain audio compared to others. What do you mean by that and is it a big deal for gaming?
Just picked up all white NZXT B650E on amazon sale for $249 before tax. normal price marked up to 319.99 so I'm happy. I moved all my components into a new H6 Flow, just waiting for 9800X3D in the morning, then RAM and GPU upgrade
Which Motherboard supports Bifurcation? To be able to install the ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Gen 4, o have 4 more NVME, and wich one has the max nvme connectors?
How can I find out for sure what speed a specific USB port can realisticly achieve? The reason for asking is that I currently have a B450 MB and game in VR through USB-C cable with currently 6 flight peripherals and a USB headset attached. In this setup my 7900XTX hardly runs any harder then like 50-ish% reaching about 36FPS. My CPU (5600G, intended to upgrade to AM5 with all the trimmings) is not even exceeding 50% at the same time. I did a speed test on the USB cable to the VR which indicated some 2,2Gbp/s, causing me to think that the USB speed is the weak link here. I tried a USB-C extension card but with only 1 lane PCIE 2 on my MB that only gets up to 360Mbp/s. Currently I'm thinking about upgrading to a Gigabyte X670 GAMING X AX with either a 7700, or 7700X or a 7800X3D with 64GB RAM Corsair Vengeance RGB CMH64GX5M2B6000Z30. Still not sure about the processor, partly because of the 3D design work and photo editing which I also use the same PC for and partly because I don't want to overspend on my CPU considering the 5600G is keeping up quite well so far. The most important game in VR is DCS. Can you help me out?
About PCIe and m.2 slots, pay close attention to board diagram in the motherboards documentation. On some boards, if you slot a m.2 into the top (sometimes also the fastest) m.2 slot, it will half the bandwidth of the top PCIe slot (often the one with the reinforced PCIe slot intended for a heavy GPU) from x16 to x8 mode, wich can make a slight difference, especially later down the road when more powerful GPUs and things like DirectStorage will want all the bandwidth they can get.
@PC Builder Have you tested these boards or are you just looking at the listed features and just giving your opinion without testing? I know Steve over at Hardware Unboxed has tested a lot of them and was wondering if you did the same.
I have built with many of them but we are not a testing channel like Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed. I research the heck out of them before I publish a list like this and my recommendations are around the best price to performance for peoples builds. But I also recommend checking out the testing channels if you are interested in that sort of data too!
I noticed you recommended the D3HP but I read the Gigabyte budget boards have bad VRMS (discrete MOSFETs). I don't really understand this, does it also apply to the D3HP? And is it a big reason to avoid a mobo? Thanks for the great video!
I am wondering the same thing too. I just bought a D3HP AX with Ryzen 7600x and Radeon 7800xt and I believe it is fine since I do not plan on overclocking etc
i have been rocking a r5 2600 and gtx 1650 since 2019-2020 and was hunting for offers to upgrade and finally today i got a b650E riptide for 116USD and a r5 7600 for 209USD couldnt be more happy
Hi, isn’t it preferable to select a X670 chipset to gain PCIe 5.0 capability on the graphic card 16X slot? B650 is limited to PCIe 4.0 on it even if it has a M2 capability of 5.0 for 1….
Its just the audio experience. For those that do any editing for example its important to have the purest audio experience. And some people care deeply about their audio experience while gaming as well.
That Motherboard has the base audio codec in it but it's a good Motherboard. Just note there's a V2 of it out now which I assume makes some improvements over the original.
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Bro, your work is a treasure to watch! Love your content
Hey thank you!
@@PCBuilderChannel where is the link to the video that says PCIE 5.0 for GPU is worthless?
Oh sorry its the Best GPU for Gaming 2024 video. I'll add it. Basically there are no gen 5 GPUs and no plans to make them anytime in the lifetime of a current pc
@PCBuilderChannel what about asus b650 e gaming wifi for r7 7800x3d ?
Nice, an updated guide for motherboards, and just when i was thinking of finding a guide for that.
It was time for sure!
X2 hehe en español no encontré 😢 but its ok
I just upgraded last year, don't use AMD, and already know most of this stuff but I still click because this is the fastest, most passionate, most detailed knowledge about my hobby on this website.
Hey thank you!! I really appreciate it (:
Don't used AMD gpu or cpu? What happened
Well if you want intricate knowledge you should probably watch guys like Actually Hardcore Overclocking and Frame Chasers. This channel is definitely for newbies but I will say he doesn't steer people in the wrong direction. Most people are brand loyal and not intelligent. When they should only care about the fastest. That's why I currently run a 4090 and 7800x3d. If AMD didn't suck so bad in the graphics market, and could produce the fastest I would go with them as simple as that. Makes me sick.
@@pR0ManiacS Well I meant I am not using AMD for this build. I am sure sad I didn't wait for the 7800X3D
@@alynch9846 for cpu i recommend AMD. I have 5800x3d for some time and yeah.. a beast of a cpu..for the money spent ..
AMD B series motherboard highly recommended for 2024
That's right!
Whats wrong with the cheap mb models?
@@orion9knothing they just don’t offer as many ram slots I think and don’t look as good
@@orion9k "A" chipsets for Ryzen (like A320, A520, and A620) don't allow overclocking or PBO and usually are very barebones. It's fine for a super low budget build but you can also find a used or even new B450 for a little more, if not the same price anyways that's probably better.
@@nathanlarson6535 but 99% of people dont even OC their system?
If I buy a 7800x3d why would I even want to OC🤷♂️
My AM5 system uses the Asrock Steel Legend X670E motherboard and I love it. My AM4 system uses the Steel Legend B550 variant and I also love that motherboard. I haven't had any trouble with memory timings, odd motherboard issues, or needing additional tweaking to get everything working.
I am still on Asrock B550 how is the audio on the X670E is it working good?
@@mistera1577 Been working just fine. Haven't had any audio glitches. Two of the game I play use to drop audio right frequently. When I switched to the Steel Legend board from the Prime B450M-A board: I haven't had anymore audio glitches.
@@MMOPC78 i'm doubting between the asrock steel legend B650 or X670e . how much different is the asrock X670e ??
@@mistera1577 Works perfectly fine. No static, distortions, or anything like that.
Seems nobody wants to talk about the ASRock B650 LiveMixer, for some reason. Incredible amount of USB ports, very good VRMs, Nahimic audio, a Gen 5 NVMe slot, and two Gen 4 NVMe slots. $150 at Newegg.
ASRock is losing the paid review war., that's why.
love asrock, been using them since 2014, never one single issue
I bought it. The audio sounded like a garbled garbage disposal with regular music compared to my TUF X670. My X670 is beyond overkill for my use case, but the audio is leaps and bounds ahead of this. Since all I do is game and record music, I went back to my overpriced board because it works so much better. Maybe I got a one-off that just leaked thru the QA process, but that was enough for me to go back.
Im using Asrock A620 with 7600x. no need to OC and price was half of what B650 was. great products from Asrock.
Such a cool design on this board! I would buy this just because it doesnt look braindead rotten like everything else.
The E boards also have an entire 2nd x670/b650 chipset on them, which is why they have those slots and usually more high speed connectivity(usb thunderbolt etc) its not just product segmentation, there is actual extra hardware.
4:00 I must add that your Motherboard supporting 4 m.2 slots for example, or having support for PCIe Bifurcation are premiums for X series boards, rarely seen on B series boards, that further future proof your system. But you are right, not everyone will keep adding drives when they are running out of storage, and not everyone will buy a PCIe x8 GPU that has slots for 1 or 2 m.2 drives running at PCIe x4.
Already pulled the trigger on a B650 PG Lightning got a pretty good deal on it at 160 euros, but this gives me a pretty good insight in building a pc for a friend and potentially saving him money, great video as always jason u've been a huge help, great content as usual.
Glad we can help!! Thanks for watching
Ordered an MSI B550-A Pro yesterday for my 5700x, perfect for Third World budget builds, fingers crossed and I won't even have to update the BIOS.
I've been using the MSI B550-A Pro / 5800X3D combo for about two years is MSFS. It's a great budget board with a great VRM section (one of the most important parts of any motherboard. I had to buy a WiFi 6 PCI card, which added some cost, but overall I've been very happy.
@@eracer1111 Still waiting for the GPU to finish the build, hope everything goes fine!
@@eracer1111 How much cost the wifi adaptor? I have onsight that msi on 109 and a asus tuf 20 bucks pricier, but with wifi integrated. Which should i buy. I already compared both and they are really similar, just the wifi thing between them
Aaaaay, the MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk WIFI. I bought that one from Best Buy back in November for $172 plus tax. Freakin' love it. Everything I wanted in a new platform.
MSI is rocksolid when it comes to motherboards
Mine takes like 2 min to boot, any tips please? ❤
@@applepie2311Disable the memory check thing in the BIOS that does at every boot.
@@gandoo10 does it hurt performance in any way?
Same, my ram crashed in Expo until I updated my bios for the second time, but it’s been solid since. Zero problems
Thanks for this guide man! I usually always skip long vids like this but this was very informative and also discussed what I needed to know on motherboards.
Glad to hear this one was useful for you! Thanks so much for watching, hope you keep enjoying all the content.
It’s tough having a short attention span huh 😂
I just built a new pc a couple months ago, I have the b650 elite ice with a 7600x and the controversial a770 with 32 gb ddr5.. I've been very pleased with the performance and have plenty of headroom for future upgrades
I ended up picking up the Aorus ice for the x670 for my all white build with a 7950x3d. It’s great
Yea I’m struggling to narrow it down for my 7950x3d. I got it for a killer deal, prob over kill for me but pumped about it.
Looking at the asrock taichi lite from “hardware unboxing” reviews Problem is it’s an eatx
Not sure if it’ll fit in the thermaltake tower 600 when it comes out
Happy with the 670?
@@reclessantics yeah doing well for me no issues at all.
@@Genericusername1004 does the msi b650 gaming wifi motherboard work for ryzen 9 7950x3d
@@abhijithashok2564 that’s what I have it with and it’s working perfectly
@@abhijithashok2564 RUclips deleted my reply. Yes its working fine on my build with a 64gb ddr5 5600
It’s very important to note that certain motherboards will automatically lower the speed of the top PCIe slot if you plug anything into the 2nd and 3rd slots, which means your GPU will take a performance hit.
My particular motherboard (Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master) does this, and lowered the top slot from PCIe 4.0 down to PCIe 3.0 after installing an expansion device into the 2nd PCIe slot.
2:40 been watching your videos for some time now. The presentation with hand gestures and the other small details like that you include are a form of ASMR. I find rather relaxing watching you do those things. Keep up the good work. 👍🏻
So glad you're enjoying the channel, thanks so much! Hope you keep enjoying all the content :)
I put my new 7600X in an Asus TUF GAMING X670E-Plus WiFi ATX Motherboard. I paired it with a Nvidia 4070 Ti Super. I’m happy with all of it.
I hear ya man.
I got a 7950x3d with the x670 elite aorus AX and managed to nab a 4090 and no problems so far!
Thanks, Jason! I just picked up a Ryzen 5 7500f on AliXpres for under $130 (first time buyer deal) and will be pairing it with an RX 6800 GPU. I was online last night trying to pick a motherboard. This really helped so I appreciate your recommendations.
You're so welcome! And congrats on the purchase! So happy we could help :)
What motherboard did you end up going with?
@@ItsAngelBTW ASRock B650e PG Riptide
wifi
What dou you think which one to buy?
MSI Tomahawk Wifi or Strix B650-A or Aorus Elite AX?
I’ve heard that there are some issues where 7000 CPUs and motherboards end up booting slowly. Is there any recommendation for a board that would be better for this over other ones? Thanks!
Someone help, please! I’m a first time builder.
Will an Asus Tuf Gaming X670E motherboard with a Ryzen 7 7800X3D and RTX 4070 Super be compatible and run 1440p?
Thank you!
Its all compatible but this combo is great for production focused builds. If that is your aim then perfect. If just 1440p gaming is your focus you don't need to spend that much on your motherboard and I'd recommend a 7900XT on the GPU. See our Best Builds February video (in our builds and parts list on the channel page). We have a great sample 7800X3D gaming build there
Awesome video as always Jason!!!
Always informative and entertaining!
Stay well buddy!!!!!!
Well good job on this video, it’s very good. Awesome content at start about the cryptic board descriptions. But in the mid part I was kinda shocked, that you seem to value boards on their connectors. Don’t forget that you need to see behind the connectors - some of them don’t work in some combos on some boards. Most important is here the compatibility or better to say the layout of some boards can deny full PCI-E x16 if used with m2 in some combinations. That’s the reason why some boards with x670 chipset are so “overpriced”.
Thank you for alot of videos, help a ton building my new dream pc :) You explain everything very good
FINALLY I can understand the motherboard nomenclature. This was so useful.
A guide + tierlist combo, just.. *cheffs kiss*
Glad you enjoyed this one! Thanks for watching :)
Thanks so much, Jason. This is super helpful -- as are your various other videos I recently viewed. Thank you.
do you think the msi pro b650-P wifi is good? Even over the tomahawk?
The MSI Edge B650 WiFi is a better board than the B650 WiFi Tomahawk version (also costs a bit more) & that is what I used on my recent Ryzen 9 7900 12C/24T 1440p build. My late-2019 3700X 1080p build used an MSI B450 Tomahawk motherboard & that PC is still running great today with all the original hardware, so both board options are a good choice really.
It's a great board. The only real difference is the white styling and the addition of PCIE Gen 5 M.2 Support. Personally I like the look of the edge more than the Tomahawk (I know some people love matte black but I personally favor the black/white or black/silver look). And it goes on sale cheaper than the Tomahawk sometimes too.
@zoro_dxdi am also thinking same either 4070ti super or 4090 with 7800x3d , but not able to find the motherboard
Is Gigabyte B650M DS3H a good motherboard for ryzen 5 7600?
youre videos are very Helpful
That's great to hear! Thank you for watching
Ryzen 7700, Gigabyte B650 Aourus Pro AX, and a Powercolor 7900 GRE Hellhound.
asus TUF GAMING
I currently have a ryzen 7 7800x-3d and I’m debating between the ASUS b650-A and the ASUS b650E-F. Which one do you recommend?
Is the windows CD key really legit?
Yes I used his code like 2 months ago when I built my new pc
@@j.birdie no issues? How’d you download it if your pc is brand new? Put it in a flash drive or something?
I have bought all my keys through them anonymously for the past 3 years (dozens of keys at this point) so I am very comfortable recommending. For a fresh build windows instal check out our "After you build" set up guide for a how to
They are usually legit, part of the reason they're so cheap is that usually you get an OEM key from those sorts of sites. This key will be hardware locked to the computer after you use it, not allowing for it to be transferred down the line (as may be necessary with a big upgrade).
Also, less important for most people making their own PCs but OEM keys are backed by the OEM that made/provided them, and not windows, so things like tech support are on them, and windows doesn't have to responsibility for this kind of thing.
Is the b650 tomahawk wifi a good choice to pair with r7 7800x3d?
asus bad
need a b650 with spdif output and Proper quality. not gonna overclock. issue is so many positive And negative reviews for every possible mainboard....
putting the Ryzen 7 (x3d) in it and a 4070 gfx card
I have a B550 in my 2020 build, with a 3800X and a 3060Ti. Im kind of astonished that the B550 is still on the thumbnail image for a "best Ryzen Mobo's in 2024" video 😅
Recently updated to 5800X3D, and im looking to go next gen Radeon when 2025 rolls around.
Love it. And from a sound perspective, just so surprinsing how so few of these boards have the RealTek chip 1220 + optical Toslink output.
How are you going to live without it today ???
Given this combo should work as well as a 124 dB SNR Sound Blaster ZxR combo, with only 24 bits 96Khz capabilities, or even the newer ones.
I got the Gigabyte x670 gaming x ax v2 for a 7800x3d is there anything wrong with this motherboard? Ive read that it doesnt have the best audio will that affect the quality of sound in my headset?
In terms of handling the 7800x3D and everything else, its fine. If you got like wireless headset, its better as it doesn't use the motherboard audio.
@@rogued3mon414 heard that I was gonna get a new headset anyways I'll definitely go wireless I like the steel series arctis pro
Just upgrade from I7 10700K to Ryzen 7800X3D. Best decision ever. Pair it with my 4080 super. Love it
Would you recommend the MSI B650M Mortar as a mATX alternative to the Tomahawk? They seem to be more or less the same other than the form factor
yes except it only has 2 m.s slots, that may not matter to you though
Does anyone know how much gpu sag is acceptable before it's actually a problem? My gpu is 305mm long and sags by 3/16 of an inch (4.7mm) and I'm just wondering if that's too much or if it'll be fine.
Question. If buying a cheap used board that doesn't have vrm cooling, could I get away with using thermal pads and a copper heat sink(s)?
I just ordered my new parts and went with the ASUS TUF Gaming B650. Sort of got it by accident because I'd changed down from the ASUS ROG Strix B650E to budget for a monitor and forgot to change it back when I removed the monitor!! This is reassuring that the one I'm getting will still be a quality item, even if not the top level!! To be honest, as long as it causes no problems Im happy
Thoughts on the ASUS ROG Strix B550-F Gaming for 5700x3d?
I built two computers last year using Asrock motherboards (AMD with GPU, Intel with no dedicated GPU) and both has odd random screen blanking issues. I'm not sure where the issue is but I'm about to change one of the motherboards to see if that was causing it. The common denominator between the two PCs is the MB manufacturer. Thoughs?
I still can decide what to go with I’m going with a 7800x3d cpu with a 4090 gpu I got the b650e-f in my cart but still thinking if that’s what I should go with I’m not doing any video editing and stuff like that I’m building this for pure gaming any recommendations would help thanks and my budget is up 300$ for the motherboard even maybe 350$ if it’s worth it
Any of our gaming picks would be good for this if you don't need extra features
@@PCBuilderChannel thank you ended up going with the b650e-e but I’ve been reading that asus boards are blowing up cpus so I’m kind of worried about that
Are the latest and greatest in USB slots backwards compatible with 3.0 or even 2.0? Those red ones are new to me :)
As far as I know, USB is always backwards compatible. For example if you plug a usb2.0 drive in a usb3.0 slot it’ll run at 2.0 speeds an vice versa. The red coloured ports are USB 3.1.
What do you think of the X670 Gaming X. A.X. (V1)? Is 231 U.S.D. a good deal?
Got the B650 Tomahawk a few months back on my first build. I really like it and decided to forego the Micro Center bundle with the Gaming X AX to get this mobo and the lower CL RAM of my choice
Hi. Are you using the onboard audio on the Tomahawk or a sound card? Thanks.
Jason, I've been on the fence here lately. Not sure what your thoughts are on getting into Ryzen 7000 series now, or waiting until their next generation later this year. I'll be targetting somewhere around 7900x3d territory of wanting a good workload PC while also netting solid gaming performance. I game in 4k, so not too worried about having a pure gaming chip. Thoughts on waiting versus not?
Hello! Is taichi lite a good one?
Absolutely
HI Which board would Recommend this year, I upgrading my MSI Meg X570 which has a 5900x, and i am changing this to 7800 X 3d,, and i am looking for a board with at least 4 m.2 slots and two USB C ports Thanks
Thabk you so much. Just ordered a 7900xtx and just figuring out a couple more parts before i gwt them all ahha.
Happy to help!
so if i understand correctly, if i want to future proof my Mboard i go with a "E" series?
Thanks for great info, think the MSI Mag B650 Tomahawk is going be my MB with the 9800x3d,I go look at ram buy list
Nice! Check out our 9800X3D Build Guide on the channel for more
From AMD gen 9 or 7 what do you recommend? Instead of 7800
I think you are highly overestimating how fast people have been upgrading saying that "most" people dont even use sata ports anymore. I think most people are still on sata and a high portion of people are still using hard drives. M.2s are still very new for almost every normal people out there.
AM4 is surprisingly still getting chip releases geting 2 more this year it seems so it's good to keep up to date on the boards available for the platform. For that reason bios flashback is mandatory for any AM4 board. I would also say that if rear IO is important to you maybe check out the B550M AORUS ELITE AX.
Personally I got a good deal on a MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK WiFi and still thinking of getting a add on card to slot into the 3.0x1 slot to shift some of my devices closer to the bottom of my case for organization of cables and to free up the better rear IO ports.
hi jason, do you recomend Asrock B650I Lightning WiFi for mini itx build?
If you need to save money its fine, but it only has 1 m.2 slot. That is why the Gigabyte B650i is my top ITX pick for just $50 more.
Are all motherboards eventually going to have 10Gbe LAN? Or was that standard effectively replaced by 2.5Gbe?
Thx for the feedback. I'm not sure though, I read a lot of bad comments about the MSI B650 Gamig Plus Wifi, idk... - Is it actually a good board?
Hello everyone! I bought a motheboard MSI PRO B650-S WIFI, but thinking about swap it for B650 AORUS ELITE AX. Setup: 7800x3d, 64gb ddr5 cl32, 4070 ti sup, 850 watt, arctic iii 360. Does it worth? Or just build and enjoy?
MSI B650 Gaming Plus Wi-Fi, ASrock B650 PG Lightning or ASRock B650 Pro RS? I don't care about wi-fi and bluetooth stuff. Just want to get better and stable one.
Hello, for the ryzen 5 5600 the motherboard b550 aorus elite ax v2 good choice?
What is an M2X_Sb slot? Is this an m.2 slot? I have a b650m c v2 motherboard and im trying to determine where to put my additional SSD? Im not sure if i need to use a PCIEX1 or the M2X_SB.
I'm locked into a higher price range because I want a post code led screen to do my own troubleshooting if need be. I don't want a brick. It's just a little extra built-in tech support insurance. (And a SPDIF is nice). But, I'm limited to the Taichi Lite or the Strix E-E. A post code screen is like a $5 feature that I have to pay $50-$80 more to get now. ~eyeroll~ Any thoughts?
I went with a Gigabyte X670E Aorus Pro X for my 7800x3d White looking PC build. Did I make a bad decision lol? I'm putting it together this weekend when all my parts come in.
I would agree on the A series. However, there are several -very- bad B boards. The one thing is, we're starting to see X series in that same price segment (see Asrock X670E Pro, which is now in several places below $200) that said, the most significant benefits of X670E do matter depending on your end use plan. Having a 10Gbe onboard was a virtual requirement for what I was after, as a Quadro is going to take up slots, and I have repeatedly upgraded my NVME to as fast as I can go for video swap surface before it gets to my NAS. One other item you don't often find on B650 is Thunderbolt4, which, if you are also dealing with creator purposes, you are likely to need. So, plan on your purpose. Are you building to game? Or are you building to create? Very different. And, at a certain point, you may hit an area where looking at Threadripper pays off. I'm not eager to upgrade my Threadripper 5975, but PCI-E lanes, but for some users, this will matter. Keep in mind: fastest graphics card will also be very different based on your build purposes.
First, Thanks to this video, gonna build my pc just like this however no mention of ASRock B650E STEEL LEGEND WIFI AM5 ATX Motherboard ??? any thoughts please ?
I currently have an Asrock B450 Fatal1ty mainboard that I will eventually need to upgrade to take advantage of PCIe 4. The main problem, though, is that this particular B450 is not as flexible as I thought when it comes to storage options. If I add a second M.2 drive, for example, I have to give up a couple of SATA ports. My impression is that the X570 boards don't have a similar issue, but if I _have_ to go with a B550, which ones don't force you to sacrifice storage options? I do not want to go with B550M, though, because those come with way fewer USB ports.
Don't the ASRock B650i and A620i lightning have 2 M2 slots? Different speeds, but still 2 slots. If so, does that change your ITX recommendation at all?
Thanks for the great video!
Well, Gen 5 PCI-e slot is far from useless if you are going to use next gen GPUs. Nvidia 5000 and AMD 8000 series onwards most likely will use gen 5. That is later this year or 1H of 2025.
Also, x670 has a lot more PCI-e lanes. Meaning B650 boards are going to disable connections if some other connections are used.
So B650 actually can't use as many m.2 slots as advertised as slots.
Also some B650 boards actually disable half of GPU slot.
So you are getting 8x GPU if you use that another slot for anything.
Yep, paying the extra for PCIE gen 5 now was worth it to me , rather than tear my system apart to change out a MB that has gimped my upgrades in two years time.
@@tonydalimata When I built my new PC last summer, E and non-E versions were about same price aswell. Those still are, unless you compare budget level boards with higher end.
Makes that decision pretty much no-brainer.
Preach, I got the Asus TUF GAMING X670E-Plus WiFi 6e, PCIe 5, 2.5 GBps Ethernet, ATX Motherboard. Love it.
@@RichardBejtlichI want to buy the x670e tuf, have you had any problems with it so far?
I got a x670E PG Lightning Asrock, idk if I made a good deal. Should I return and get a b650?
I have a 3700x cpu and am looking to upgrade from my B450 Gaming Plus Max. Should I upgrade and, if so, could I use the ASRock B550 PG Riptide? I don't like mini and micro MOBOs.
what is your opinion about gigabyte X670 Aorus elite?
Hey, i have been watching your videos a lot since im debating on an upgrade i was wondering if you can help me out. I have a 4080 and a 5900x with 3200 32gb ram currently. I am debating on upgrading out of my 5900x to a 7900x or 7800x3d (microcenter has a bundle deal with mobo and 32gb ram) OR just pushing my ram to 64gb and not going to the am5 socket yet. I stream and game at the same time as well as make YT content. Just debating on the best option to upgrade. please help me out!!!! im back and forth on it so much. (if there is a better option maybe point me that direction as well!) Thank you!!!!!
If you're going to AM5 the 7800X3D Microcenter Bundle makes sense.
GIGABYTE B650 AORUS Elite AX ICE is this going to be good for the 7800x3d?
You always mention sometimes a motherboard doesn't come with a certain audio compared to others. What do you mean by that and is it a big deal for gaming?
Just picked up all white NZXT B650E on amazon sale for $249 before tax. normal price marked up to 319.99 so I'm happy. I moved all my components into a new H6 Flow, just waiting for 9800X3D in the morning, then RAM and GPU upgrade
This was super informative!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching
Which Motherboard supports Bifurcation? To be able to install the ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Gen 4, o have 4 more NVME, and wich one has the max nvme connectors?
Im looking to get a MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI for ryzen 5 7600 and rx 6700xt. Should i get a different board or is this good?
How can I find out for sure what speed a specific USB port can realisticly achieve? The reason for asking is that I currently have a B450 MB and game in VR through USB-C cable with currently 6 flight peripherals and a USB headset attached. In this setup my 7900XTX hardly runs any harder then like 50-ish% reaching about 36FPS. My CPU (5600G, intended to upgrade to AM5 with all the trimmings) is not even exceeding 50% at the same time. I did a speed test on the USB cable to the VR which indicated some 2,2Gbp/s, causing me to think that the USB speed is the weak link here. I tried a USB-C extension card but with only 1 lane PCIE 2 on my MB that only gets up to 360Mbp/s.
Currently I'm thinking about upgrading to a Gigabyte X670 GAMING X AX with either a 7700, or 7700X or a 7800X3D with 64GB RAM Corsair Vengeance RGB CMH64GX5M2B6000Z30. Still not sure about the processor, partly because of the 3D design work and photo editing which I also use the same PC for and partly because I don't want to overspend on my CPU considering the 5600G is keeping up quite well so far. The most important game in VR is DCS. Can you help me out?
What do you think about Asus B550M-A non wi-fi? (ryzen5 5600x)
About PCIe and m.2 slots, pay close attention to board diagram in the motherboards documentation. On some boards, if you slot a m.2 into the top (sometimes also the fastest) m.2 slot, it will half the bandwidth of the top PCIe slot (often the one with the reinforced PCIe slot intended for a heavy GPU) from x16 to x8 mode, wich can make a slight difference, especially later down the road when more powerful GPUs and things like DirectStorage will want all the bandwidth they can get.
The ASRock B550 Pro4 AM4 doesnt have flashback will that be a problem with a AMD Ryzen 5 6500
Im still rocking my X570 Dark Hero, love this board. It will go down as one of the coolest motherboards ever, IMO.
You can use a ryzen 5600x with a b450 motherboard. No issues at all.
@PC Builder Have you tested these boards or are you just looking at the listed features and just giving your opinion without testing? I know Steve over at Hardware Unboxed has tested a lot of them and was wondering if you did the same.
I have built with many of them but we are not a testing channel like Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed. I research the heck out of them before I publish a list like this and my recommendations are around the best price to performance for peoples builds. But I also recommend checking out the testing channels if you are interested in that sort of data too!
I noticed you recommended the D3HP but I read the Gigabyte budget boards have bad VRMS (discrete MOSFETs). I don't really understand this, does it also apply to the D3HP? And is it a big reason to avoid a mobo? Thanks for the great video!
I am wondering the same thing too. I just bought a D3HP AX with Ryzen 7600x and Radeon 7800xt and I believe it is fine since I do not plan on overclocking etc
You havent covered ASRock B650E Taichi Lite. You missed the best motherboard money can buy!
i have been rocking a r5 2600 and gtx 1650 since 2019-2020 and was hunting for offers to upgrade and finally today i got a b650E riptide for 116USD and a r5 7600 for 209USD couldnt be more happy
Hi, isn’t it preferable to select a X670 chipset to gain PCIe 5.0 capability on the graphic card 16X slot? B650 is limited to PCIe 4.0 on it even if it has a M2 capability of 5.0 for 1….
keep up the good work mate
Thank you! Glad its helpful
I have a question: What does the upgraded audio on a motherboard do for the user? Will it help with gaming, production, etc. I honestly have no idea.
Its just the audio experience. For those that do any editing for example its important to have the purest audio experience. And some people care deeply about their audio experience while gaming as well.
I want to get the Aorus Elite AX but ive seen issues with the DRAM light and other. what are your opinions.
can you share me your thoughts about the B550M AORUS ELITE?
Great video, very instructive, but what about the Gigabyte b650 gaming X ? Is it good and if there is a good audio codec in it ?
That Motherboard has the base audio codec in it but it's a good Motherboard.
Just note there's a V2 of it out now which I assume makes some improvements over the original.
@@kelley09162 thank you, finally i bought the asus X670E tuf Gaming wifi for fu future CPU upgrades