I had a couple more thoughts while editing this video that I wanted to share. If nature is neither inherently good or bad, our human creations whether labeled natural, synthetic, eco-friendly, man-made, etc. are not inherently good or bad either. Rather than label things are "bad" or "good", I think it's important to ask how our creations affect our lived experiences and the lived experiences of other life and to look at the data. Do they enhance our lives and benefit us? Or do they cause harm and suffering? These are questions worth asking when considering how we can be better stewards of the planet. I also wanted to mention I recognize how incredibly privileged I am in discussing topics like shelters. As mentioned in the video, homelessness is not something to take lightly, and it was never my intention to do so. Shelters are important to our well-being just as much as having time outside is. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on these subjects, including how we can make rewilding more accessible. Thank you for watching/listening!💙 -Karalynn
At some point the function of shelter developed from something to protect you from the elements, into a complex, expensive, symbol of status, a financial investment, where comfort and security are taken to the extremes. But this has ended up separating people from nature too much, to the point where its uncomfortable to be outside too long. And when this happens there is less impetus to make life decisions that will help to preserve nature.
Thank you for sharing! I completely agree. I just subscribed to your channel, as I am very interested in building an alternative shelter of my own someday.
This is cool! I like this video, because it shows how people think differently and that we all have a point. It's all about balance and listening each other. Even with options we don’t agree, we can still reflect and find a way to come closer to it, like you said recognising our biases. This is very useful and important in any relationships. Beside rewilding, we also need to find the way how to communicate with each other. Thank you💕💕💕🌳
You're welcome! 🙂 And thank you for sharing your thoughts! "It's all about balance and listening to each other"-couldn't have said it better myself. In an often polarized world, I think we need this more than ever.
The biggest take away from this for me is there are many people out there whom are completely missing the point (of life you could say). You could label them morons, but I don't actually think that is fair as I'm not saying they have low IQ or no book-smarts it's probably the opposite to be honest... I think this has really highlighted how deep our collective separation sickness really is and it's very scary to be confronted with this in others. I think you answered this very delicately and eloquently. It's really obvious from comments we desperately need more mentors like yourself in the world. I would never want to be in the spotlight as much as you have chosen, but you can reach much further like this, so good on you, keep it up!
I absolutely love the retrospective thoughts here. I personally think the people who commented on that first video took you a bit too seriously when it came to "not belonging" in a box. There are definitely times to enjoy a "box", but if you only live life moving from box to box in a box while looking at a bunch of colorful boxes in the meantime, you're only going to be dethatched from yourself and the sphere you live on.
For me, your conversation about this topic is beneficial. May you and all your viewers live long and happy lives, making the man-made world a better place.
Great topic . I’d choose the later version as well …. I love a lifestyle of both … modern comforts with a lot of time outside 😅can’t this time of year in Florida… too hot humid most of the day… so I do all my outdoor activities in the morning hours…we have a nice food Forrest and garden here at the home - which is a true blessing and a labor of love…. So nice to have organic food come straight out of your yard . 😊I loved that show Alone . I hope they come out with more episodes soon . Never stop doing what you love . Follow your soul … great Chanel here . ❤
Good video Karalynn, lots to think about, and I've puzzled over some of these questions too. There is a Chinese word for nature, ziran, which basically translates, "Of itself so". I guess this means that "nature" is that which creates itself or governs itself. So a tree that grows in a forest might be a little different from one that grows on a tree farm, but both ultimately create themselves, and this is very different from an "artificial" tree made of plastic, for example. The main difference is that the plastic tree does not grow, does not make anything, including itself, and is an imitation of something that does. This applies to other things too: a person who creates things themself is in a more natural state than someone who only buys things made by others. Our bodies create and maintain themselves, and working with this process, such as through the food we eat, is a way of living naturally. But as you pointed out, this doesn't always work perfectly, so we are happy for such things as synthetic insulin. Nature, by nature, has no boss--and if it does it certainly isn't us--so it can be ruthless and cruel by our standards. It doesn't care if species go extinct. We care. Strangely, we are the product of nature with all its ruthlessness, but so is our capacity for compassion and altruism. I think you hit the point when you ask, How do we make rewilding more accessible? Everybody has to start where they are, but it's important to remember our natural, wild roots. Since we're human we have to live with the things that we make and govern, but remember to spend time with things that make and govern themselves.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It is all very interesting to me! Nature being defined that way makes a lot of sense, especially when wanting to distinguish between what's natural and artificial. And I love that last sentence. We live with the things we make and govern, but it's important to remember to spend time with the things that make and govern themselves, in other words, nature. I couldn't agree more!
We need more low cost low hut like living. I know it sounds nuts but people make housing out of hemp and clay. Adobe houses are a thing. Shelter is important for sure but the business of it has made an actual shelter too far out of reach while also denying making own from earth as man has always done.
This doesn't sound nuts to me. I agree! I've often thought I'd go live in a Yurt in the woods if I could, something that sounds so simple but has become difficult to accomplish due to needing to own land, having to abide by local bylaws, etc. Where I live most land you need a permanent structure. In many ways we are forced to live in a more expensive shelter, even if it's not necessarily our first choice.
Agree. These types of dwellings are among the oldest known to humankind. Building square homes from concrete, steel and glass spans only a blink of the eye in history of civilization.
I am considered by the people around me as "green" and compared to others I spend much more time outdoors. When you take into account that some people are even seeing me as some kind of a radical environmentalist, you would imagine me as some kind of a tree hugging hippie pothead. I am none of these things. I am actually a kind of person who would benefit from spending more time outdoors and taking more "green" choices in my life. Still, people think that I am over the top... When you look at the representation of environmentalists in the media, you never see a sane person. All are the tree hugging potheads. It is not like I am having something against tree huggers or people who are taking pot. It is just the fact that even though I am in contact with many fellow environmentalists, I have never met that kind of person. And according to the media, this is who we are. I think that there might be a political interest in keeping the public convinced that we are all crazy. Especially since if you say some scientifically proven things, there is a great chance that people will laugh at you because they watched some sketch where environmentalists are being made fun of for believing such nonsense. If people are asking me why am I believing that environmentalist nonsense, I just say that I came to this by scientific education, while those who are against it are either the members of the special groups that are pursuing the better lives for themselves at the cost of everyone else, or had more likely fallen for the billions of dollars worth of propaganda machine funded by the first group. Then I quickly change the topic into the falling quality of the local tap water. The negative comments have no time to be said, while the tap water quality is something everyone agrees with me on. It is a sad thing to say, but being very close to finally getting my master's degree in environmental science is getting me more scorn for being so stupid to study this than congratulations on finishing such a hard programme. I never heard of a chemist being made fun of for believing in the things that the science of chemistry had proven to be correct. Why is the environmental science less trusted by the regular people? Propaganda. The same one that is there convincing them that anything that can be done to improve the situation would in reality "just make it worse". If people would stop believing the lies and realise that in their own best interest it is to go just a little bit greener, some very rich people would not be happy about it because they might lose a third of their disgustingly large fortune. Sorry for meandering too much. I could be going on and on about the topic. Thanks for the video.
@@lampyrisnoctiluca9904 thanks for sharing! I hadn't really thought of more environmentally minded people being portrayed as crazy in the media or in general, but I can see it. I think people just fail to see the bigger picture, and are instead only focused on what humans need. And that is money. People seem more concerned about the economy than anything else because that's how they eat, have a roof over their heads, etc. if we simplified meeting our basic needs somehow perhaps we would stop feeling the need to wipe out habitats and polluting as much as we do to earn money. I commend you for pursuing your degree. It is not crazy at all, and I wish you much success in your field.
@@AwakenOurWild You made me remember the quote I read somewhere. I don't know who said it. It went something like: "If you don't know what you want from life, someone else will say you what you want and you will believe that person." We have a huge advertising industry. Some of it is about just trying to persuade the people to buy this or pay for that service. But more and more, I can see it not just selling the products, but also values. Kind of values advertisers want us to have. Values which say that you should show who you are as a person with the products you buy. Before it was just clothes. Now it is everywhere. From cars, to the type of fridge that is just right for you and the type of toys you should want your kids to play with, just for them to be more interested in the box it came in. Good way of selling a product for more than it's true value... I don't know why am I worried about it so much. It is not like I can't buy the fake green products just to feel a little bit better about myself... But maybe it is more about the wants vs needs. Get yourself what you need. That is perfectly fine. We have enough of this things for everyone, just not everyone gets it. Wants are a completely different story. Especially since there are so many engineered wants around. It is like truly wanting one thing, but getting something more expensive instead just because the adverts had been telling you that the person like you should want to have x product. The product you truly want is for the certain type of people. You are not one of them. You are an x product type of person. It falsely feels like something adults are too mature to fall for, but would work great on teenagers. The fact that it actually works proves otherwise. It is sad because I know so many people who would have been happier with less if they were not so preoccupied with showing others who they are with the type of products they buy. To me it feels like they are in chains. Spending more money, going into debt. Then while in debt, they are more willing to suffer under the awful bosses, work overtime at the jobs they hate and so much more. Sorry, I don't usually write comments this long. Just the idea that the economy is so much geared towards the engineering the fake wants in people in richer parts of the world while the real needs of the poor are not met... So many people don't know that they are rich enough to buy themselves a complete freedom, so they exchange it for the fancier chains... Two sides of the same coin.
I really can appreciate the argument that anything human made is an extension of nature, however the main difference in my head is the way in which we interact, create, and overcome within the modern world. In my head, what's naturally produced by humanity comes down to whether our motivations were through instinct or intellect. We are inherently driven by instincts and so much of our intellect falls in line with how we would interact with the natural world tens of thousands of years ago. Obviously this is all such a grey area, there isn't a way to delineate 100% between what's intellectual or instinctual because they're not entirely separable. So much of what we do in the modern day is just a 'refinement' of what our instincts have already been guiding us towards (the idea of having a safe place to live became cities, making sure to know how to source your food became modern agriculture, etc.). I also think things which are natural tend to contribute to the overall system and structure of nature. Even the things that kill and hunt and destroy play a role in so many complex interactions within their respective ecosystems. Wildfires destroy, but some seeds depend on the fire to take root and grow. But when we destroy, there's often no next step, that's the end of the cycle; entire species are wiped out, forests are just gone and burned. Perhaps if there were microorganisms in junkyards which could devour plastic, I'd also see our industrialization as more natural, but as it stands so much we do exists out of those greater natural structures and cycles. Nature does adapt, so maybe someday that will be the case; there's already so many animals whose natural habitats are now cities and who wouldn't necessarily have another habitat to go to and thrive as well within if those structures and inhabitants were to suddenly vanish, but I don't think nature's overall adaptability should be used as an excuse to show that our impacts on it are always inherently natural.
Very well said. I have thought a lot on this topic since posting this video, and what you have added to this conversation really resonates with me. I agree that nature's adaptability shouldn't be used as an excuse to be destructive, especially in cases where regeneration is not possible.
@@AwakenOurWild Thank you; I really enjoyed the way you address these important topics in this video, how you see the validity of others arguments and treat your ideas as a part of an evolving conversation, not as fact (even though I agree with your points). The natural world feels so intrinsically important and I greatly appreciate your perspective.
@@GadAnimations thank you! I really appreciate you saying that. It can be tricky to engage in a dialogue online with often such polarizing views. I do like to discuss the nuance in things. I couldn't agree more with your last statement!
If people are staying inside bc of climate change, then wouldn’t animals need to too? To me, this logic falls apart bc we all know how unhealthy it would be for animals to be locked up inside all day without any fresh air. Humans are also animals and we need to be outside. We will be suboptimal as a species if we continue to live this way indoors.
I had a couple more thoughts while editing this video that I wanted to share.
If nature is neither inherently good or bad, our human creations whether labeled natural, synthetic, eco-friendly, man-made, etc. are not inherently good or bad either. Rather than label things are "bad" or "good", I think it's important to ask how our creations affect our lived experiences and the lived experiences of other life and to look at the data. Do they enhance our lives and benefit us? Or do they cause harm and suffering? These are questions worth asking when considering how we can be better stewards of the planet.
I also wanted to mention I recognize how incredibly privileged I am in discussing topics like shelters. As mentioned in the video, homelessness is not something to take lightly, and it was never my intention to do so. Shelters are important to our well-being just as much as having time outside is.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts on these subjects, including how we can make rewilding more accessible.
Thank you for watching/listening!💙
-Karalynn
At some point the function of shelter developed from something to protect you from the elements, into a complex, expensive, symbol of status, a financial investment, where comfort and security are taken to the extremes. But this has ended up separating people from nature too much, to the point where its uncomfortable to be outside too long. And when this happens there is less impetus to make life decisions that will help to preserve nature.
Thank you for sharing! I completely agree. I just subscribed to your channel, as I am very interested in building an alternative shelter of my own someday.
This is cool! I like this video, because it shows how people think differently and that we all have a point. It's all about balance and listening each other. Even with options we don’t agree, we can still reflect and find a way to come closer to it, like you said recognising our biases. This is very useful and important in any relationships. Beside rewilding, we also need to find the way how to communicate with each other. Thank you💕💕💕🌳
You're welcome! 🙂 And thank you for sharing your thoughts! "It's all about balance and listening to each other"-couldn't have said it better myself. In an often polarized world, I think we need this more than ever.
The biggest take away from this for me is there are many people out there whom are completely missing the point (of life you could say). You could label them morons, but I don't actually think that is fair as I'm not saying they have low IQ or no book-smarts it's probably the opposite to be honest... I think this has really highlighted how deep our collective separation sickness really is and it's very scary to be confronted with this in others. I think you answered this very delicately and eloquently. It's really obvious from comments we desperately need more mentors like yourself in the world. I would never want to be in the spotlight as much as you have chosen, but you can reach much further like this, so good on you, keep it up!
Thank you for your kind and encouraging words!!
I absolutely love the retrospective thoughts here. I personally think the people who commented on that first video took you a bit too seriously when it came to "not belonging" in a box. There are definitely times to enjoy a "box", but if you only live life moving from box to box in a box while looking at a bunch of colorful boxes in the meantime, you're only going to be dethatched from yourself and the sphere you live on.
Thank you!! I couldn't agree more!
I like the contrast here between boxes and sphere.
For me, your conversation about this topic is beneficial. May you and all your viewers live long and happy lives, making the man-made world a better place.
Thank you very much! I'm glad you found it beneficial.
Great topic . I’d choose the later version as well …. I love a lifestyle of both … modern comforts with a lot of time outside 😅can’t this time of year in Florida… too hot humid most of the day… so I do all my outdoor activities in the morning hours…we have a nice food Forrest and garden here at the home - which is a true blessing and a labor of love…. So nice to have organic food come straight out of your yard . 😊I loved that show Alone . I hope they come out with more episodes soon . Never stop doing what you love . Follow your soul … great Chanel here . ❤
Thank you for sharing and for your support. 😊 Glad to hear it's still possible to spend time outside in the early hours of the day & have a garden. 💙
Sooooo much to think about here. You have such thoughtful and interesting listeners/commenters!
I look forward to more 😊
I'm glad you are finding it as interesting as I am! 🙂
All very valid points 😊 I think we have to find the balance of being in nature 🌲 but also protecting ourselves from nature too 💚
Thank you!! Balance is key. 😊
Good video Karalynn, lots to think about, and I've puzzled over some of these questions too. There is a Chinese word for nature, ziran, which basically translates, "Of itself so". I guess this means that "nature" is that which creates itself or governs itself. So a tree that grows in a forest might be a little different from one that grows on a tree farm, but both ultimately create themselves, and this is very different from an "artificial" tree made of plastic, for example. The main difference is that the plastic tree does not grow, does not make anything, including itself, and is an imitation of something that does. This applies to other things too: a person who creates things themself is in a more natural state than someone who only buys things made by others. Our bodies create and maintain themselves, and working with this process, such as through the food we eat, is a way of living naturally.
But as you pointed out, this doesn't always work perfectly, so we are happy for such things as synthetic insulin. Nature, by nature, has no boss--and if it does it certainly isn't us--so it can be ruthless and cruel by our standards. It doesn't care if species go extinct. We care. Strangely, we are the product of nature with all its ruthlessness, but so is our capacity for compassion and altruism.
I think you hit the point when you ask, How do we make rewilding more accessible? Everybody has to start where they are, but it's important to remember our natural, wild roots. Since we're human we have to live with the things that we make and govern, but remember to spend time with things that make and govern themselves.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It is all very interesting to me! Nature being defined that way makes a lot of sense, especially when wanting to distinguish between what's natural and artificial. And I love that last sentence. We live with the things we make and govern, but it's important to remember to spend time with the things that make and govern themselves, in other words, nature. I couldn't agree more!
We need more low cost low hut like living. I know it sounds nuts but people make housing out of hemp and clay. Adobe houses are a thing. Shelter is important for sure but the business of it has made an actual shelter too far out of reach while also denying making own from earth as man has always done.
This doesn't sound nuts to me. I agree! I've often thought I'd go live in a Yurt in the woods if I could, something that sounds so simple but has become difficult to accomplish due to needing to own land, having to abide by local bylaws, etc. Where I live most land you need a permanent structure. In many ways we are forced to live in a more expensive shelter, even if it's not necessarily our first choice.
Agree. These types of dwellings are among the oldest known to humankind. Building square homes from concrete, steel and glass spans only a blink of the eye in history of civilization.
I am considered by the people around me as "green" and compared to others I spend much more time outdoors. When you take into account that some people are even seeing me as some kind of a radical environmentalist, you would imagine me as some kind of a tree hugging hippie pothead. I am none of these things. I am actually a kind of person who would benefit from spending more time outdoors and taking more "green" choices in my life. Still, people think that I am over the top...
When you look at the representation of environmentalists in the media, you never see a sane person. All are the tree hugging potheads. It is not like I am having something against tree huggers or people who are taking pot. It is just the fact that even though I am in contact with many fellow environmentalists, I have never met that kind of person. And according to the media, this is who we are. I think that there might be a political interest in keeping the public convinced that we are all crazy. Especially since if you say some scientifically proven things, there is a great chance that people will laugh at you because they watched some sketch where environmentalists are being made fun of for believing such nonsense.
If people are asking me why am I believing that environmentalist nonsense, I just say that I came to this by scientific education, while those who are against it are either the members of the special groups that are pursuing the better lives for themselves at the cost of everyone else, or had more likely fallen for the billions of dollars worth of propaganda machine funded by the first group. Then I quickly change the topic into the falling quality of the local tap water. The negative comments have no time to be said, while the tap water quality is something everyone agrees with me on.
It is a sad thing to say, but being very close to finally getting my master's degree in environmental science is getting me more scorn for being so stupid to study this than congratulations on finishing such a hard programme. I never heard of a chemist being made fun of for believing in the things that the science of chemistry had proven to be correct.
Why is the environmental science less trusted by the regular people? Propaganda. The same one that is there convincing them that anything that can be done to improve the situation would in reality "just make it worse". If people would stop believing the lies and realise that in their own best interest it is to go just a little bit greener, some very rich people would not be happy about it because they might lose a third of their disgustingly large fortune.
Sorry for meandering too much. I could be going on and on about the topic. Thanks for the video.
@@lampyrisnoctiluca9904 thanks for sharing! I hadn't really thought of more environmentally minded people being portrayed as crazy in the media or in general, but I can see it. I think people just fail to see the bigger picture, and are instead only focused on what humans need. And that is money. People seem more concerned about the economy than anything else because that's how they eat, have a roof over their heads, etc. if we simplified meeting our basic needs somehow perhaps we would stop feeling the need to wipe out habitats and polluting as much as we do to earn money.
I commend you for pursuing your degree. It is not crazy at all, and I wish you much success in your field.
@@AwakenOurWild You made me remember the quote I read somewhere. I don't know who said it. It went something like: "If you don't know what you want from life, someone else will say you what you want and you will believe that person."
We have a huge advertising industry. Some of it is about just trying to persuade the people to buy this or pay for that service. But more and more, I can see it not just selling the products, but also values. Kind of values advertisers want us to have. Values which say that you should show who you are as a person with the products you buy. Before it was just clothes. Now it is everywhere. From cars, to the type of fridge that is just right for you and the type of toys you should want your kids to play with, just for them to be more interested in the box it came in. Good way of selling a product for more than it's true value...
I don't know why am I worried about it so much. It is not like I can't buy the fake green products just to feel a little bit better about myself...
But maybe it is more about the wants vs needs. Get yourself what you need. That is perfectly fine. We have enough of this things for everyone, just not everyone gets it. Wants are a completely different story. Especially since there are so many engineered wants around. It is like truly wanting one thing, but getting something more expensive instead just because the adverts had been telling you that the person like you should want to have x product. The product you truly want is for the certain type of people. You are not one of them. You are an x product type of person.
It falsely feels like something adults are too mature to fall for, but would work great on teenagers. The fact that it actually works proves otherwise.
It is sad because I know so many people who would have been happier with less if they were not so preoccupied with showing others who they are with the type of products they buy. To me it feels like they are in chains. Spending more money, going into debt. Then while in debt, they are more willing to suffer under the awful bosses, work overtime at the jobs they hate and so much more.
Sorry, I don't usually write comments this long. Just the idea that the economy is so much geared towards the engineering the fake wants in people in richer parts of the world while the real needs of the poor are not met... So many people don't know that they are rich enough to buy themselves a complete freedom, so they exchange it for the fancier chains... Two sides of the same coin.
I really can appreciate the argument that anything human made is an extension of nature, however the main difference in my head is the way in which we interact, create, and overcome within the modern world. In my head, what's naturally produced by humanity comes down to whether our motivations were through instinct or intellect. We are inherently driven by instincts and so much of our intellect falls in line with how we would interact with the natural world tens of thousands of years ago. Obviously this is all such a grey area, there isn't a way to delineate 100% between what's intellectual or instinctual because they're not entirely separable. So much of what we do in the modern day is just a 'refinement' of what our instincts have already been guiding us towards (the idea of having a safe place to live became cities, making sure to know how to source your food became modern agriculture, etc.).
I also think things which are natural tend to contribute to the overall system and structure of nature. Even the things that kill and hunt and destroy play a role in so many complex interactions within their respective ecosystems. Wildfires destroy, but some seeds depend on the fire to take root and grow. But when we destroy, there's often no next step, that's the end of the cycle; entire species are wiped out, forests are just gone and burned. Perhaps if there were microorganisms in junkyards which could devour plastic, I'd also see our industrialization as more natural, but as it stands so much we do exists out of those greater natural structures and cycles. Nature does adapt, so maybe someday that will be the case; there's already so many animals whose natural habitats are now cities and who wouldn't necessarily have another habitat to go to and thrive as well within if those structures and inhabitants were to suddenly vanish, but I don't think nature's overall adaptability should be used as an excuse to show that our impacts on it are always inherently natural.
Very well said. I have thought a lot on this topic since posting this video, and what you have added to this conversation really resonates with me. I agree that nature's adaptability shouldn't be used as an excuse to be destructive, especially in cases where regeneration is not possible.
@@AwakenOurWild Thank you; I really enjoyed the way you address these important topics in this video, how you see the validity of others arguments and treat your ideas as a part of an evolving conversation, not as fact (even though I agree with your points). The natural world feels so intrinsically important and I greatly appreciate your perspective.
@@GadAnimations thank you! I really appreciate you saying that. It can be tricky to engage in a dialogue online with often such polarizing views. I do like to discuss the nuance in things.
I couldn't agree more with your last statement!
If people are staying inside bc of climate change, then wouldn’t animals need to too? To me, this logic falls apart bc we all know how unhealthy it would be for animals to be locked up inside all day without any fresh air. Humans are also animals and we need to be outside. We will be suboptimal as a species if we continue to live this way indoors.
I completely agree!
Why do so many RUclipsrs use the phrase, "Without further adieu..."? Please give some thought to using a different phrase.