Wing Commander IV: Eternal Allegiance
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2014
- Blair refuses to defect to the Borderworlds...and undergoes a long and troubling campaign against his one-time allies.
A collection of cutscenes from the "Alternate Track" of Wing Commander IV positing a bit of a :"What if?" scenario. Also features edited gameplay with mixed-in music to tell the whole story as a hopefully cinematic presentation 
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Can't say I've played this storyline very often, but it does have the advantage of a lot more screen time for John Spencer as Paulson and Robert Rusler as Seether. John Spencer is sadly no longer with us, but I got Robert Rusler to sign my copy of WC4 at ComicCon a few years ago - he's a super nice guy.
robert rusler plays exactly the archetype of the jerk
Sure, in some roles, but not in Babylon 5 @@user-uc3ks5sk4g
I always loved how they bothered to shoot scenes depicting a negatively progressing story-branch. ^^ Same with the previous game and also games like Dark Forces 2. Before the age of cheaper in-game cutscenes took over and decreased the costs of full motion videos, this showed real commitment.
The Stormfire Cannon of the Borderworlds. In almost 40 years of videogames and 30 years in front of a PC, I never heard a cooler weapon!
Yep, absolutely loved it. Was awesome ripping into the enemy with that weapon.
Just wish the Banshee (one of the coolest looking ships in the whole series) had it, instead of that silly scattergun.
@@PetersonZFA "Flying Trident with a Gatling"... works 😄👍 !
I actually remember the first time I ever played this game I took the path, assuming it's what the game needed me to do. I figured at some point we'd figure out what was going on with them. I didn't feel good about it but in 1996 I couldn't fathom the idea of a game which would expect you to defect midway through from the side you'd been on for 4 games as part of the story.
Great video. Even 6 years later. Thank you for putting it together. I enjoyed it.
I played the PS1 version and wanted to see what the "Dark Side" ending was like...it ended with the destruction of the Lexington if you also killed the Intrepid no matter what else you did to defend the carrier...the Lex pretty much just did a spontaneous combustion. The game just ended at that point without the anything further, and certainly didn't show Blair as an admiral in that final scene. Always wondered what the PC dark path looked like as I thought it would have been longer. Guess it wasn't.
Thanks for this!
If the "dark side" ending is the one you're talking about with Blair as an admiral at the end, in the actual game it doesn't come from choosing not to defect. You have to defect either initially or in the Lexington-Intrepid battle when given the option to defect again. The "Blair is a ruthless admiral" ending is based on the decisions you make while with the BW.
Was going to say I never got the evil Blair ending by sticking with the confeds. Nice to have finally seen it after having the game since it’s release. Thanks for the how to.
I loved both WC 3 & 4. Still own them. Have the 3DO port of 3 which was the definitive version. It's really sad that these movies on the games had better acting & character building than anything that has been coming out on real movies for the last 20 years. I remember being so disappointed in the Wing Commander the Movie when I went to see it in theater. Pretty much the only reason people went to see it was to catch the trailer for Star Wars Episode 1. History lesson folks. This was before the internet took over & that was the only way to see the trailer. Good times.
The worst part of the movie is it was written and directed by the creator of WC and produced by the video game combines that made the game it was a straight up Final Fantasy spirits within repeate. I don't understand how chris and company fell so far to the darkside.
I wonder iff tolwyn knew about the deep recon probe data that proved the existence of the nephilim in 2600.
Dont know when exactly wc 4 takes place. It could shed light on his motivations. Using cloaked dragon fighters would have bean a game changer in prophecy
A young Mark Decascos! I remember being surprised to see Casper Van Dien, aka Rico from Starship Troopers, near the beginning of the game too. Too bad he didn't get more screen time with Mark and Mark.
Casper van Dien?? Where was he in this? (High time to watch the cutscenes, anyway)
its the scene when blair arrives on the lexington and maniac tells some "heroic" storys. caspar was one of the pilots that stand near maniac
Da sage ich doch gleichmal vielen Dank unter uns Veteranen ;) .
der preis der freiheit ist ewige wachsamkeit ;)
Interestingly both Mark Dacascos and Casper Van Dien were in Mortal Kombat Legacy
I remember making the choice to go with the captain and maniac the very first time I played it. I was thinking wtf am I getting myself into!
I love how they're using 'Microsoft Natural' keyboards.
Holy shit, the Nephilim wouldn’t even dare to show up in this version of the story...
Oh they would. And the only ones between them and the extermination of all other life in the sector would be a confederation in a full scale civil war and a crippled remnant of the kilrathi empire.
@@_Muzolf The Nephilim were beaten back basically by the Midway alone, which would likely get built anyway (especially with Tolwyn alive and in charge). :P
@@Praxographist That assumes that Tolwyns plans just succeed without any issues, that none of his crimes come to light, and nobody would have a problem with a genocidal war against the Border worlds, and none of the confederation worlds or citizens have a problem with Tolwyns little social engineering project. That would be absolutely laughable and a supreme example of bad writing. Already in the bad ending animation it is hinted at that rebellions are popping up. It is very much clear that this would be the start of the confederation tearing itself apart, and the Midway would either be never built, or would be fighting a civil war at the time.
@@_Muzolf I don't have to "assume" anything: Blair doesn't stop Tolwyn and becomes aligned with his vision, and the senate unanimously votes for war (so much for internal conflict LOL); only ONE rebellion is mentioned and Blair is about to snuff it out. Also apparently no one gives a damn about the gen-select.
That's what ACTUALLY HAPPENS and that's what is "very much clear".
In that scenario, it is plausible not only that the Midway would get built anyway, but that she'd also be supported by Black Lance fighters and God knows what else. The Nephilim incursion force would get eaten alive.
You're just headcanoning, really :P
@@Praxographist "You're just headcanoning, really :P" we both are, in case you have not noticed, since we are both speculating about a hypothetical scenario.
I honestly can see why they couldn't have made it possible to destroy the Intrepid and return to an intact Lexington. -- They could have ended this story branch with this mission to keep it to the same number of discs.
Here's what I would have done. After a debrief with Paulsen, all they'd need was a cutscene back in Tolwyn's office. Seether is also present, off to the side, stoic. -- Tolwyn smugly congratulations Blair on dealing with the traitorous defectors, his unwavering loyalty to Confed, etc etc. Tolwyn would then say a promotion to Admiral is on the table, and that Tolwyn will need someone to take his place as SRA Commander, once Tolwyn is appointed as Space Marshal. -- He'll end with "Once the council votes for war, I will need someone that will ensure that *the strong shall survive* ." Blair would respond it will be an honor. Tolwyn dismisses him.
Once Blair has left, Tolwyn tells Seether. "Carry out your orders as I have instructed, and your promotion will be expedited." (Revealing that Tolwyn had actually been addressing Seether) Seether wordlessly acknowledges and coldly walks out of the room with intent. -- I might either have it fade to black, leaving Blair's fate ambiguous--or cut to the Senate Chamber with Tolwyn eulogizing Blair 'died a valiant hero in battle against Border World forces', before the vote for war.
--That's one way they could have ended it. With the Intrepid destroyed, it essentially kills off Eisen and all other crew and pilot characters.
Probably because they don't want to reward someone who'd watch 9:03 and on and think, "That's a side I want to stay on." I agree with that choice.
I think the game kind of assumes you played Wing Commander III; and therefore have a level of loyalty to Eisen and Vagabond. That combined with the sketchiness of everything going on was probably supposed to be reason enough. I dunno, I forgot what I did did initially...probably not this as I don't think the PSX version of the game (which was the first one I played) lets you go on without defecting.
Then again, I was pretty loyal to Hobbes and we all know how that turned out...so you never know.
Hi Beckmen. It does let you go on to a point without defecting but then the pilot who turns out to be Genetically Enhanced tries to kill you. When you get to the BW ship you find out you killed Vagabond from Maniac and Eisen. Whichever way you go (defect or not) Vagabond dies. There's nothing you can do to save him. I actually played it both ways on PSX and got so annoyed I couldn't save him 'cos he was one of my favourite characters. Why they didn't use this awesome cast to make the WC movie is way beyond me though. This is a better film than the tragic thing that got released as one.
I'd love to see this with updated graphics for the gameplay and combat sections on either PC or Xbox 360/One and PS4. Keep the video scenes because they were awesome, just update the CGI.
+MrPeterpiper1969 Exactly. Maybe EA will do a remastered version if SC turns out to be a hit? Maybe CIG can buy the rights to WC back and do it? Maybe it could be an in-fiction game you play in the simulators?
@@MrPeterpiper1969 You didn't kill Vagabond, it was another random Confed pilot who did. Around 5:56 in this video, Paulsen gives Blair the "good news" that another group dispatched one of the defectors. While Blair is visibly shaken that one of his comrades is dead, Paulsen dismisses his question about who was killed, saying essentially "I dunno, one of the pilots".
This is something else I love about WC. You may be the main character, but you're by no means the centre of the universe :) Lots of great things get done by unnamed people you never meet. Remember that Confed pilot Primate defected before Eisen, and you can fly with him off the Intrepid even though he's in 0 cutscenes.
I think the game kind of assumes you played one of earliyer games and have a seething hatred for Tolwyn
@@siddharthiyer7244 0:30 This is where Blair kills Vagabond, should Blair refuse to defect the first time.
So, auto-destruction for the Lexington if the Intrepid is destroyed? That's kinda weak sauce.
This is just one version ending of VC IV. I played all four versions and they all had great game play. I wish I could find a machine now that would play old DOS games like this one. Also Mech 2 and 3 and Descent I and 2.
That's actually pretty good. I've never seen it before now. That's one of the things missing from games, open-ended... uhmmm, endings.
My first playthrough was this. I just couldn't see a reason to defect, and wanted to stay in the Navy instead of just going on the word of some person who said I had to defect... The game should have given you the evidence and let you make up your mind about it, not basically made that decision for you. If I real-world-ask myself what I would have done, I'd probably have obeyed orders and shot Eisen down, to be honest. I don't see any reason I'd behave differently in a game.
I was thinking the same thing threw my playthroughs. That's the great thing though, this game has such great replayability that you don't see in almost any games these days. The closest experience I had to this game in this factor was Front Mission III and Romance of the three Kingdoms series which as so many warlords to play as.
It is a constraint of the time period. Adding that to the game would have at least doubled the amount of disks and have doubled the production costs of it. They had a story they wanted to tell and they told it like that.
I prefer the way the game did it. The gradual realization that you no longer fit in and are being relegated downward is more subtle , powerful, and realistic imo.
This version of events I never followed, I think it's fairly obvious what is going on was not really what should be going on. If you're the role player that blindly follows chain of command and doesn't listen to the interactions, then yea this will be the way to go.
I agree. What was needed was a tangible reason for Blair to defect. I always go with this story progression up until the very last choice before its game over if you stick with confed. It just seems more plausible and in-line with the character. I mean, Blair is no traitor and it is going to have to take a lot for him to turn his back on the stellar alliance which he has spent most of his life defending. Having us rely on suspiscions and hunches to make such a massive choice is kind of ridiculous, but meh.. its Hollywood.
Surprised Mark Dacascos is in the game
ok... so i am literally forced to join the traitors... the rebel scums?
It's wierd that Mark Dacascos went from Crying Freeman (the year before this was released) to Wing Commander 4. Was it really that big a production? I guess it was a triple-A game at the time, but still, it's a small role. Yeah I know, not a big movie, only 5 million budget. Maybe it's just because I thought Crying Freeman was fucking awsome :)
Back then (up to Command and Conquer 3) A Listers and game companies had strong connections and marketing often relied on these celebs being in the game.
These days outside of Call of Duty you rarely get this level of involvement
Why gets the Lexington destroyed?! Did I miss something?
This is the only option where Blaire makes ADMIRAL!
Is this scene after the debate, or before the debate, or one with no debate?
I'm surprised how clear the scenes were.
WCIV was one of the first to be released on DVD, in 1997. This was possible because the cutscenes were recorded on film.
It was so early that you needed an add-on card to play it, since no PC available then could play DVD video smoothly. (Conveniently, copies of the DVD version were included free with that hardware.)
Nobody ask why Hawk is now a Confed in this ending?!
Well he did return to confed after 4 so maybe this was just a moved up version? Since confed let him go and that's when he went to the border world's so he can fly after his teaching position fell apart after he got a student killed.
I don’t why I anticipated mark cackling like the joker at the end.
Are you saying, this wasn't the good ending?!
:)
Wow, insane depressive, story line
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