My Intel i9 14900KS Is Showing Signs of Degradation (Not Clickbait). Check Updates in description!
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- (Attention, I've made an update video on my situation with my Intel Chip, I decided to building a new complete AMD Ryzen 7950X3D build, the faulty CPU is with Intel now, and they are now sending me the new replacement i9 14900KS, which will be sold on it's arrival. If you like to see the new setup I built, and my thoughts on how its running, check out my newly released update video here: • AMD 7950X3D Build Good... )
SEE UPDATE #3 for latest information on RMA!
So I've had my Intel i9 14900KS CPU since the original launch date of 03/14/24, which I purchased brand new from Newegg.com retail online. So after about 4 months of usage, I started to notice stability issues with my system, starting with just simply installing an Nvidia driver update. I would get constant failures of the driver install process. Usually, after the 3rd or more attempt, it would install successfully. I didn't think much of it, and maybe I thought it was a fault my OS install.
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Update 2:
Intel did infact tell me that my chip wasn't as damaged as I had originally thought, but there are still honoring my RMA for my troubles Once the CPU gets back to me, I'll be making a new video clarifying the details on my CPU problem. It turns out I just was expecting more from it , and it couldn't keep up the overclock settings I was using. Video will be up soon enough to shut down all those people telling me, "destroyed my chip." Well, in fact, Intel confirmed through their testing that it is actually operating as intended.
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Update #3 Intel approved my RMA and have sent me back a brand new sealed i9 14900KS CPU. SOLD!
In my conversation, with the Intel engineer I spoke with he did mention to me that my CPU was in fact, fine and 100% fully operational and functioning as intended. However, due to my prior loyalty with the company with a long history of registered Intel CPU's dating back over a decade now, that still did in fact honor the RMA and sent me a replacement as mentioned, which is going to be sold immediately. Link to video: • Intel i9 14900KS RMA R...
So that concludes the story, my CPU was fine, and I guess I was over paranoid and just simply clocking the CPU with not enough voltage, and too high of a MHZ clock speed and power levels for it to remain stable during shader compilation. Less learned, but big thank you Intel, and Miguel. The whole process from beginning to end took about 8 business days in total. CPU has been sold!
And if you are running an intel 13th or 14th generation CPU, you can submit a support request at the Intel website here: supporttickets...
It took them about 4 business days to reply to my RMA request. I also wanted to add that, to speed up your RMA request, take photos of the top of the IHS of the CPU, as well as the bottom with resistors. They will ask for these photos as they want to make sure there is no physical damage to the CPU. So it is very helpful to do that when first submitting your request, which is what I did. There is also an option to do a cross shipment, but only in the USA and Canada.
And a little more back story: the only reason I stuck with Intel is because I've had this Z690 motherboard for the past 2 Intel generations, and it was a less costly upgrade to stay with Intel. Also, I've been running the thermal grizzly contact frame for the past 2 Intel generations. I was on AMD prior to ZEN 4's release, and the initial plan was to go to AMD when ZEN5 X3D chips came. And I decided on ordering a complete new AMD 7950X3D, and will eventually sell the new unused replacement CPU Intel sends me.
And the last final important note is the chip is already on its way back to Intel, so I can not make any further adjustments to my system, but I greatly appreciate everyone help in trying to possibly remedy the situation.
My full system system specs of the Intel system are posted below: (no longer using it anymore as I went AMD X3D
i9 14900KS @ 5.9 GHZ All-Core OC @ 1.370 Voltage
MSI Z690 Unify Motherboard
Asus Strix RTX 4090 170 MHZ Core OC, 1185 MHZ Memory OC with Latest Nvidia Drivers (560.70)
32 GB G.Skill Z5 DDR5 PC6400 CL32 RAM
Corsair H170i Elite LCD AIO W/ 420 mm radiator.
@GamersNexus
@Jayztwocents
@LinusTechTips
@paulshardware
@FrameChasers
#intelcpudegradation #CPUcrashing #intel #cpufailure #intel14thgen #cpudegradation
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(Attention, I've made an update video on my situation with my Intel Chip, I decided to building a new complete AMD Ryzen 7950X3D build, the faulty CPU is with Intel now, and they are now sending me the new replacement i9 14900KS, which will be sold on it's arrival. If you like to see the new setup I built, and my thoughts on how its running, check out my newly released update video here: ruclips.net/video/zQ5CdygBJpY/видео.html )
So I've had my Intel i9 14900KS CPU since the original launch date of 03/14/24, which I purchased brand new from Newegg.com retail online. So after about 4 months of usage, I started to notice stability issues with my system, starting with just simply installing an Nvidia driver update. I would get constant failures of the driver install process. Usually, after the 3rd or more attempt, it would install successfully. I didn't think much of it, and maybe I thought it was a fault my OS install.
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Update 2:
Intel did infact tell me that my chip wasn't as damaged as I had originally thought, but there are still honoring my RMA for my troubles Once the CPU gets back to me, I'll be making a new video clarifying the details on my CPU problem. It turns out I just was expecting more from it , and it couldn't keep up the overclock settings I was using. Video will be up soon enough to shut down all those people telling me, "destroyed my chip." Well, in fact, Intel confirmed through their testing that it is actually operating as intended.
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Update #3 Intel approved my RMA and have sent me back a brand new sealed i9 14900KS CPU.
In my conversation, with the Intel engineer I spoke with he did mention to me that my CPU was in fact, fine and 100% fully operational and functioning as intended. However, due to my prior loyalty with the company with a long history of registered Intel CPU's dating back over a decade now, that still did in fact honor the RMA and sent me a replacement as mentioned, which is going to be sold immediately. Link to video: ruclips.net/video/EFzrRCJlow4/видео.html
So that concludes the story, my CPU was fine, and I guess I was over paranoid and just simply clocking the CPU with not enough voltage, and too high of a MHZ clock speed and power levels for it to remain stable during shader compilation. Less learned, but big thank you Intel, and Miguel. The whole process from beginning to end took about 8 business days in total.
And if you are running an intel 13th or 14th generation CPU, you can submit a support request at the Intel website here: supporttickets.intel.com/s/?language=en_US
It took them about 4 business days to reply to my RMA request. I also wanted to add that, to speed up your RMA request, take photos of the top of the IHS of the CPU, as well as the bottom with resistors. They will ask for these photos as they want to make sure there is no physical damage to the CPU. So it is very helpful to do that when first submitting your request, which is what I did. There is also an option to do a cross shipment, but only in the USA and Canada.
And a little more back story: the only reason I stuck with Intel is because I've had this Z690 motherboard for the past 2 Intel generations, and it was a less costly upgrade to stay with Intel. Also, I've been running the thermal grizzly contact frame for the past 2 Intel generations. I was on AMD prior to ZEN 4's release, and the initial plan was to go to AMD when ZEN5 X3D chips came. And I decided on ordering a complete new AMD 7950X3D, and will eventually sell the new unused replacement CPU Intel sends me.
And the last final important note is the chip is already on its way back to Intel, so I can not make any further adjustments to my system, but I greatly appreciate everyone help in trying to possibly remedy the situation.
My full system system specs of the Intel system are posted below: (no longer using it anymore as I went AMD X3D
i9 14900KS @ 5.9 GHZ All-Core OC @ 1.370 Voltage
MSI Z690 Unify Motherboard
Asus Strix RTX 4090 170 MHZ Core OC, 1185 MHZ Memory OC with Latest Nvidia Drivers (560.70)
32 GB G.Skill Z5 DDR5 PC6400 CL32 RAM
Corsair H170i Elite LCD AIO W/ 420 mm radiator.
@GamersNexus
@Jayztwocents
@LinusTechTips
@paulshardware
@FrameChasers
#intelcpudegradation #CPUcrashing #intel #cpufailure #intel14thgen #cpudegradation
Did they offer any kind of advanced RMA replacement so you didn't have to have the machine completely down?
@Solkre82 Yes, they do offer that, which I mention in the video along with next day air shipping, but they do charge you the price of the CPU and a $25.00 fee, the CPU charge will be refunded after they receive the faulty CPU, though. I went ahead and just ordered a complete AMD X3D motherboard, CPU, and memory.
@@LousWRX I wonder if your replacement will have a worse SP score? I heard some people who received replacements claim it was of lower silicon quality.
@cemsengul16 Yeah, it is hard tell. I ended up deciding on going with an AMD X3D setup. So whenever the replacement CPU arrives, I'll just sell it and move on from this.
@@LousWRXare you worried about the stability of the memory etc and all the other issues on x3D chips? Stuttering n such
We're gathering here today to say goodbye to a CPU, not a good CPU, but a CPU nonetheless...
@gobravo123 RIP. Now this is the sense of humor we more of today! AMD X3D, here I come. 🔺️🫡
@@LousWRX Me too, waiting for NexGen to compare before I buy. My first AMD 😉.
Shame. It would have been a good CPU.... If it had the AMD's power effeciency. 14900k was my worst CPU purchase of all time.
@@LousWRX hell yeah brother
Not everyone used i9 13 14 for gaming.. I got no problems for my use case which I'd running vm
In order to compete with ryzen, intel pushed way too hard and focused on money makeing rather than customer satisfaction.
intel didn't push anything, motherboard companies did. lear more..
@@supernotnatural no, they marketed their product with that pushed performance, stop being an intel ass licking fanboy
@@supernotnaturalshit I’m interested in learning more shoot me a source fam
When the 7800X3D and a B650 mobo is the savior
But XMP and DDR5 memory compatibility was an issue for AMD and boards were not stable pre X3D hence I chose Intel.
I tried that combo 2 times. And it did not run stable with EXPO on. 1th died very fast with on 5600mhz ram and the 2nd got very unstable not able to do tasks. Maybe a bad batch or mem issues. But trying to say AMD has none...it's the reason i went with the I7-14700KF because 2 complete returns were more then enough to try imo.
Mem was AMD verified Corsair. It should work, but it did not. Also getting a boot screen with EXPO on took 30 to 40 seconds most of the times and without it was a minimum of over 20 seconds to get a screen.
I wanted to buy it because it uses so less power with gaming. But those 2 chips and a MSI Tomahawk B650 board did not run stable. My I7-14700KF stable since day one. Undervolted 0.06v and no issues what so ever since launch end november 23.
@@karlos1060 i actually went with DDR4 once i read about memory training that is needed for AMD
I just wanted something to turn on and work , it is not much to ask for.
Nah
@@karlos1060Not alot of people know this but most corsair DDR5 uses shitty Samsung ic's that degrade quickly or just don't work at all like in your case. Samsung went from best of the best during DDR4 to bottom of the barrel as far as DDR5 goes, try one of the Hynix based teamgroup kits if you decide to go AM5 again, your other mistake was using MSI for AM5, as they were known to have slow boot times. It should be fixed with newer bios revisions though
I spent two tweeks fine tuning my 13900ks when I first got it. 😂 I had to adjust the voltage curve, and clock speed manually. Not to mention I had to make one for each core. I just couldn't believe Intel put out a product that required the user to be perfectly proficient in undervolting and overclocking.
@csguak I know the feeling, endless long like nights of tinkering with sleep only coming when the project is done. It's rough. I'm going to go through something similar when my AMD X3D parts arrive. I'm sure the AMD memory learning stages will drive me insane, but I'm staying hopeful and optimistic.
It's an enthusiast product and you have no idea
I did this with my 7000 series AMD CPU, too. As a hobby, though, not because I had to.
@@WimiBussard yeah my 5950X ran like a furnace on PBO so I locked cores and voltage.
@@LousWRXI put few 7000 systems, just set XMP and they going strong to this day, unless you want to tinker for sake of tinkering.
Once you get the crashes it is over bro, RMA that sh!t or refund it and get a 12th gen or go AMD.
@siphi7583 Yeah, it's definitely going back for sure. Now the big question is if they send me a news sealed i9 14900KS, if so, it will be a lot easier to sell than move to AMD X3D.
yes they send new in box cpu
if youre only gaming then get a 12700k/f and disable ecores and pcores and run it at 5.1-5.3ghz. its only liks 5-10% slow in games
@@Adam-jr4lx what’s wrong with the e cores?
@@nolyfe4814 ecores don't help in gaming and they actually hurt gaming performance because they generate more heat and/or they use more power. For gaming you don't want either ecorers or hyperthreading.
Fast forward 2 years later, this 14900KS will require 1.9V to maintain a stable 900MHz with its fucked up silicon
1.9v will send the 2 first cores into oblivion instantly and you will end up with 6 cores at 3 ghz
I love your cheery optimism that you are just going to have a RMA hassle-free experience with Intel and your CPU. I'll be sure to check back and see the likely ensuing saga !!! 🙂
@regwatson2017 Yeah, luckily everything went well. I just built a brand new AMD X3D build, and a brand new replacement i9 14900KS is already on the way back to me to be sold immediately.
@@LousWRX Well done. I am glad they didn't mess you around.
@regwatson2017 Thanks me as well. I did end up making a new video here in case you missed it;
ruclips.net/video/EFzrRCJlow4/видео.htmlsi=X0IcGuk3yGB-fQda
Glade I went with the AMD Ryzen 9 7950x
@Joe-wk9ow Right on, chief! 🫡🔺️
hope your RMA goes through, if it doesn't then it's not just the CPU you'll lose but the mobo won't be worth much either unless you get an i5. Really sucks dude, shame to see a fellow enthusiast gamer go through this crap😞
Yes, I just recent ordered an AMD X3D setup to build, I'm just waiting for the parts to arrive. And the replacement Intel CPU they send me will be sold.
@@LousWRX great to hear! the 7950x3d is such a powerhouse 💥
Lock the cores at 5-7, make sure the voltage is below 1.35v, and check the peak voltages while stress testing because its the high voltage spikes that will degrade your cpu. literly no performance is lost.
And here i am, playing all the newest games on my 4 year's old pc that i don't even know the components names, and the only thing degrading is my brain 😂
MSI just put a microcode bios update to at least the z790 godlike board.. this has a build date of 7/29/24, but it's released on 8/2/24.
@MatthewCabret Yeah, I'm on a MSI Z690 Unify motherboard, and last update was in April of 2024. I went ahead and ordered a complete AMD X3D setup. I'm just going to sell the replacement Intel CPU they send me.
I put together my PC order during black friday of 2023, for a gaming PC. Researching led me to the conclusion that AMD would give equal performance for far cheaper. But I was on the fence, I always had Intel cpus and wasnt keen on amd. Turns out that I would have to pay out the ass AND win the silicone lottery to get an intel system to try and outperform an AMD one. Then the news about the Intel chips came out... i dodged a cannon. Sorry about your misfortune, hope Intel makes it right for ya.
"Hi, having defective hardware after paying the price is always a pain. I've had a 13900KS for 3 months now. I didn't buy the 14th generation CPU because I had read numerous reports about crashes and CPU degradation. When I got my 13900KS, I was hitting temperatures between 85 and 100°C in games like HELLDIVERS 2, even though my BIOS settings were on default. After many days of testing, I reduced the ICCMax to 280, and the PL1 and PL2 values to 280 as well. My scores are almost identical with much less heat. I also reduced the voltage of each core by 0.50000. It's just massive, and the only conclusion I could draw is that the CPUs are completely overvolted. Have you tried simply disabling cores to see if there's a specific one that's damaged? With my modifications, I'm running between 65°-75°C with rare spikes between 85°-92°C. It could be that your CPU is actually fine, but the surrounding hardware couldn't handle the heat. That's why 100°C for a CPU is completely unacceptable."
280 it's too much while the top value is 253W
@@josearqco extreme go to 320.. And iccMax is 400. depend your termal cooling
side note as 14900k user on gigabyte Z690 UD series board, seems the voltage setting will be better to be set at adaptive voltage and only undervolt the top few steps, only setting override voltage won't stop the VID at 6Ghz+ to not pump 1.5-1.6V, and also change the LLC, most boards have agressive LLC where when CPU expect current surge will create more voltage drop it didn't, ended up flooding with 1.5V+ spikes everytime you ramp up your speed
Thanks for the information. And yeah, I've had my LLC set to level 3 since I gotten the CPU. I think I'm just going to stick with sending it back and just going AMD X3D at this point. But I appreciate the help. 👍
@@LousWRX I will do the same if I am at your situation where it already started degrading, was just some extra info on manually do adaptive undervolting to stop the chip to call for stupid amount of voltage itself
Lock your cores put them on fixed mode. Stop allowing the CPU to use Turbo boost tech. Increase the voltage to 1.4v.
You have the code from the processor cover, it would be interesting to know the production date. Also interesting, did you try to raise the voltage to 1.4 V for example and go through the compilation?
@@costea. It's long gone now. I did successfully RMA it and got it replaced with a brand i9 14900KS, which I sold. I built a new AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D build instead.
@@LousWRX I understand that you got rid of it successfully, but it is useful for people to know which batches of processors fail, they are still sold in stores. Only 2024 can be said with confidence without problems with oxidation. And 2023 Intel is silent. Therefore, it is important to collect statistics for other people, so that I can just get rid of it and be happy for myself. It would be good if you could provide information on the exchanged processor, what date of manufacture it is.
How this bios is latest ?? Their should be bios newer like jun or july Bios for sure ..
@@abdulrehmankhan8516 The latest official bios version number is 7D28v1H
Release Date as of 08/05/24. I'm sure by August, there will be in fact a newer revision. I'm on AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D set up, so it will does matter to me whether the fix does in fact solve the initial problems, at least for myself. I'm sure for others it will be beneficial, but not with out reduction in performance prior to tuning.
2024-04-08 link Motherboard website bios page; www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-Z690-UNIFY/support
This problem can be stopped. When you buy a new Intel 14900K go into bios and go to sync all cores. Set the clock speed to 57 and that would make all cores 5.7ghz. This will get rid of the Intel stock settings that adds 1.6 volts to two of its first cores and it prevents degradation. What you can also do is add a power limit to the CPU as well like 253 watts for efficiency.
@ZackSNetwork I sent it back a few days ago. I decided I'm going with an AMD 9 7950X3D build instead.
After latest bios update on asus mobo it doesnt allow you to sync all cores and if u change from intel default to asus oc profile after you set it 57 it shows 56 on windows before it was fine
@@gvido2923exactly, that’s why I downgrade my bios 🤦🏻♂️
If your PC still crashes during shader compilation such as The Last of Us: Part 1, Uncharted 4, etc., then that means you did something wrong in UEFI BIOS.
Not enough voltage was the reasoning. I built a Ryzen 9 7950X3D and it's been rock solid stable during shader compilations I've encounter, less heat, nearly 2x less wattage as well.
When you get the new chip:
1. Buy a ThermalRight ILM support bracket before installing the new chip
2. Update the bios and load Intel baseline configuration
3. Make sure that memory is not in XMP mode and keep the speed at or under 5600MHz
have i9 12900k Had xmp problems game crasc g skill 16 gb ddr4 19 timings asus prime z690 and now have 64 gb ddr skill 18 timmins and no problems at al
I’ve had this issue with every gaming computer that I’ve built, and more often than not, it’s a motherboard problem or user error. People jump to degradation because that’s the spew. There’s nothing here that excludes other issues.
Theres a new microcode that got released last week for etvb problem. Msi has a bios update with it
Unfortunately, my MSi motherboard website still shows the last update to be in April of 2024: www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-Z690-UNIFY/support
The good news is I built a new AMD Rzyen 9 7950X3D setup, so I no longer have to deal with Intel for a while now.
Hey dude, not gonna lie I've never been good with words, but I am really sorry about your CPU, I hope they will send you a sealed new one and be all good for the time to decide to which one to upgrade to next and everything will be all good
@WizTaylor32 No worries, man, you're fine, and yeah, everything will work out eventually. It is unfortunate, but I at least kind of prepared for this. Videos will still be coming as I prerecorded a bunch of content, just not commentary.
Thank you so much for always liking, commenting, and just supporting the channel as always!
They all suffer from the same issue, the new one won't change that.
They need to fully refund him
@@RAaaa777 okay
If you just game I would strongly advise you to disable ht and half the e cores, that will reduce amperage and power substantially while you keep the same gaming performance. Very few games scale with the 8 threads from HT. If you want all the performance then your kindve out of luck , these CPUs are just defective at stock speeds unless you have a golden sample that doesn’t need as much voltage and can keep the temperatures at
My 14900ks (SP 104, Pcores 119 and Ecores 76) set in LLC8 at 1.343v for 6.0Hz all Pcores (Ecores disabled) works perfectly! Windows 10 Pro and does not exceed 85° (delid) with Aio Asus ryujin 3 in cinebench r 23 30m stability and 10m strolling & Prime95 30m & all games pass all shader tests (In games no more than50°- 60°)!, Asus z690 Etreme motherboard and 32GB of Ram ( 2x16) in 6600mhz G.skill XMP1 (original because I don't really know how to touch Rams lol) and Rtx 4090 Surprim x liquid at 3000Mhz. Also works at 5.9GHz in LLC8 at 1.273v & at 5.8GHz in LC8 at 1.223v, I think it could do 6.1GHz but at more than 1.40v...and I don't want to exceed that voltage lol) And AMD no thanks because it heats up a lot more in games!
I have owned at least one flagship Alder and Raptor Lake chip since the 12900k. The 2 14900ks chips I owned both were RMA'd as unstable on install - no degradation, I just couldn't get them stable despite both systems running fine with 13900ks and 14900k chips. I now run 3 Raptor Lake rigs - 2x 13900k and 1x 14900k. I have set them up with the same power limits, core count and clock speeds as a 12900k until another generation of Intel/AMD has come through which offers stability and performance. A major shitshow on Intel's part.
@@a120068020 The truth is out there! Intel is also actively trying to avoid customers' degraded parts!
So glad I went with the 12900k
Dude abused his CPU overheating it 24/7 now cry’s cause it’s broken. 5.9GHz locked…..are you insane with a AIO?
Who said I'm crying? I'm happy now because I'm now building an AMD X3D build. Get out with the negativity, man. I'm damn happy I don't have to deal with it anymore, and I'm just putting the information out there about my situation. It's a damn CPU, easily replaceable. And my Corsair H170i Elite AIO has a 420 MM raidatior with a set of 4 high-speed custom fans I have attached to it, its not exactly a cheap low end AIO that you are perhaps perceiving it to be. Out of my 24 years of building computers, this is the only time I had a product fail, so don't make it sound like I don't know how to take care of my components. Go watch GamersNexus video on the situations. It's clearly a false advertised product, and now they want you to downclock to i7 levels. If I paid for a CPU that advertised 5.9 GHZ, all core of the box default settings as long as temperatures stays below 70C threshold, I should be getting exactly that.
And if go watch Framechasers RUclips he was literally telling everyone to lock the cores of the i9 14900KS to avoid the 6.2 GHZ single core boost situation, which was a big problem because they chip gets overvolted in single core boost situations leading to degraded chips.
Bought a prebuilt with 13900kf and after a few months pc is constantly freezing and games crashing. Will try to update bios and see
Might have to rma at some point but dont even know how to handle a cpu. Like wtf
funny my 13900k+thernalright contact frame with z790 maximus hero and rtx 4090 rog strix fr a year now never had issues. Tried benchmarcks and stock setting in bios had no crashes with games watsoever. Now wondering how long will my chip last
Im at about 1 month with my 14900k/contact frame + z790 rog maximus dark hero, rtx 4090 and ive had no issues with the system. Wondering if I’ll ever have issues.
150+ hours clocked
@@madclone84 has ur voltages reached 1.5,1.6 volts? U still using intel baseline profiles, extreme or performance?
@@saitamamako7949 I’m using the first bios for it, 3220? Zero issues. Waiting for intel to drop the mid august microcode to update the bios.
No. It stays at 1.3v and some change. The only thing is you have to make sure everything is optimized. Tried playing helldivers 2 and it shot to 100c
@@madclone84 interesting im using rog maximus z790 hero, bios 1402 btw. usually my cpu goes 1.3-1.4 volts and played cyberpunk 2077, first decendant, gow, etc never reached 100c but 50-60c range and using rog ryujin 360 III argb
@@saitamamako7949 it’s weird, I have to make sure the drivers are updated or else it’ll throttle the temperature to 100c. I have a 420mm ai Corsair icue 170 on it and the cpu usually stays 60-70c with random spikes occasionally to 80-90 but only for a brief second before dropping down to 60’s. The cpu idles on 30-40 and for internet scrolling, movies, or RUclips videos. Running this on the lg32gs95ue 4k 240hz monitor as well. It’s really an amazing set up
It's a shame this is happening Raptor Lake is damn fast and was a very performant architecture it just sucks that they are rapidly degrading and failing as I had two 14,700 k suffer this fate
It's the voltages... those 13th and 14th gen CPUs pull too much voltage... 1.372v is too high... after load line calibration is taken into consideration that will be closer to 1.5v... the load line is really slack to allow stability at such high clock speeds chasing AMDs benchmark scores.
The micro code updates still don't limit the voltages.... the only way to do it is to set the voltage to 1.3.v reduce the load line and limit the ratio to 50-52...each CPU does vary slightly.... £700 for the performance of a £250 part... they will be sued over this for sure
@@Denbot.Gaming hail nah you dont needa limit it to 50-52, unless your cpu is just DEGRADED like hell to the point where it cant keep 5-7 stable at undsr 1.35 volts
@@geph13 ok so you've used something like HWMon or HWinfo to watch your vcore and VIDs while underload and switching between single core and multi core use?
See when you get 1-2 active cores, the CPU will asked for 1.5v+ and this is what's frying the cores, it still does that at 5.4Ghz... on a brand new 13900ks
I have the same issue with 14900KF. I did file for RMA 3 weeks ago but intel is telling me they don’t have the same cpu in stock. So they offer me alternative to get 13900KF.
@Knowledgexxxx Damn, that is very unfortunate, and definitely don't RMA it for the 13th generation chip. Those are even made failure prone than the 14th generation. Hopefully, if you can wait a little while, they'll give you a better RMA option.
I'm sorry to hear your 14900KS is degrading. Hopefully, they will send you a replacement within a few days. Intel 13th and 14th gen CPUs have been suffering from instability issues for over a few months now, and the problem seems to be worse than what most expected. This is the reason I would only recommend AMD CPUs for now. At least until Intel finds a permanent fix for this.
@Gamer-q7v Yeah, shit happens. The good thing is they are replacing it, no questions asked. If they do send me a brand new sealed i9 14900KS, I'll debate on selling it new and moving to AMD. The issue is that I would like to move to ZEN5 with the updated 800 series motherboard revision. But anyway, we will see what happens. The good thing is that I have plenty of gaming videos I made prior that will keep my channel running until the replacement arrives.
And thanks for the support, as always, I greatly appreciate it. 🙏
@@LousWRX No problem. I do think it will be easier to move to the AMD platform at this point
@@LousWRX That's a good play on your part to sell the replacement 14900KS and your mobo and going with a Zen 4 or Zen 5 CPU. I'm with OP on this one, It really sucks to have to go through the hassle of selling things and switching to begin with, but once everything is done at least you will avoid this problem constantly creeping up on you yet again for a third, fourth or fifth time.
And definitely look into the X3D parts from AMD as those provide incredible gaming performance in a wide variety of games.
@HM-rz8nv Yeah, it would definitely be the smarter to simply move to AMD X3D during this transition. Hopefully, I can pull that off as the resale value of a used Intel chip would be crap right now because of these issues it is plagued with.
Doubt it. Intel just reported $1.6 billion lost for Q2 2024, cancelled all of its stock dividends, & will layoff $19,000 employees!
My 13700k Intel used to crash while using win 11, like 2 months after I built the computer. My computer started with Win 10, then 11, then back on win 10. I am even on Ddr5 memory. I haven't been having any Intel issues aside from the slight possibility of the "out of VRAM" error. I am looking to stick to Win 10 to the very end. I was also running the Asus optimized defaults which wasn't the Intel limits for the longest time. I am currently undervolted a little by - 0.1
don't be disappointed by gen13-14 they can easily be used for cooking
@@bebeama71 Ain't that the truth! 🔷️🍳
As you already started the RMA, can you please share your AC/DC Loadline settings?
From your settings, having a fixed voltage of 1.370V is not good as that voltage also applies when the CPU is idle. Ideally you would want low voltages when the CPU is not under heavy use. As you are using the extreme profile with PL1=PL2=330W at 400A, you CPU will run at higher clocks under load but that also means that will require more voltage to be stable at those clocks. The fixed voltage of 1.370V might be causing the crashes as it's not enough for the clock speed the CPU is trying to achieve with PL1=PL2=320W at 400A. Keep in mind that if you are using the MSI Watercooler Profile, by default it will undervolt your CPU with Lite Load mode 9 wich is AC/DC LL 50/80 and will have IA CEP disabled if that is in place it's probably that your crashes are due to undervolting.
Before you return your CPU, if you want to keep the PL1=PL2=320W at 400A, check your AC/DC LL and increment it a bit to reduce the undervolting and disable the fixed voltage (leave it as auto) and see if the game crashes when compiling shaders. If gets stable with the new loadlines you can apply a CPU Core Voltage as Adaptive + Offset or reduce the AC/DC LL to find a sweet spot for the undervolt.
In the end, if you want to keep high clocks at PL1=PL2=320W at 400A, your CPU needs more voltage to be stable. On the other side, if you want to have CPU voltage below 1.370V, you can reduce the PL1/PL2 and see if the CPU is still crashing at load.
I appreciate the help and detailed information. At idle, my CPU voltage would usually drop down to like 0.850 or something when when it would down clock in speeds, so it definitely didn't maintain 1.372 at idle. I've had my LLC set to level 3 since owning the CPU. If I keep my CPU voltage at auto, it would send up 1.5V to the CPU, and also, it wasn't stable at all with auto voltage, which is why I set it at 1.372.
I do greatly appreciate the detailed and informative response as well, but I think I'm just going to send this one back, sell the replacement chip, and just go AMD X3D.
@@LousWRX how much are you looking to sell the 14900KS? I been wanting an i9. I'm coming from a x3D chip and went back to Intel
@khensationalReviews Well, the main depending factor of how much I sell it for is if they send me back a brand new sealed Intel i9 14900KS in retail box. I'm going to think around $600 tops. That's around what they go for new on eBay.
@@LousWRX Were you running with 2 8pin CPU power connectors, or just 1?
@@kramnull8962 Two with a 1300 Watt Seasonic Platinum Rated PSU.
9950x3d looking better all the time with all these Intel cpu reviews.
Yes, indeed that exactly what I have I plan to get in the near future, but I did just build a Ryzen 9 7950X3D as my replacement build.
You can't claim degradation when your running your cpu above specs and stock frequency. WAY above. Stock speed is 3200 MHz and your running it at maximum turbo speed 24/7. If it was made for that Intel would have put that on the spec sheet as a base frequency but they didn't because even they know the cpu can't run that all the time. On top of that your memory is faster than recommended ram which is DDR 5 5600.
No wonder your having problems. Run it at stock speeds and see if you have the same problems.
@@danielwagner6290 Well, I was mistaken by Intels promotional materials of this chip. When I saw them advertise 5.9 Ghz out the box boost clocks, I didn't realize that pertained to 3 or 4 performance cores only. So when I first installed my chip at all factory defaults Intel setting and started up a game, I saw my CPU clocks maintaining 5,876 MHZ in all games, so because of that misinterpretation I assumed that was the chip boosting All-Core to 5876 Ghz, but it was in fact only a select number of performance cores.
And 2ndly, I mistakenly took the advice of the Framechasers RUclips channel to lock all cores to 5.9 Ghz if you own an i9 14900KS CPU to avoid the 6.2 Ghz single core boost speed. So, just clarify a little bit more. It was only just recently that I set that 59 ratio after seeing his recent video, so it hasn't been that way for the entire ownership of the CPU.
I should also mention had set a TJ MAX threshold of 87C, so realistically in gaming load, which is all I use is my PC, for it probably isn't even really being pushed all that far as game typically utilize between 10-17% in games. And lastly, out of my past 24 years of building computers, this is the first I'm I've ever had a computer component fail, ever. Heck, I still own a secondary old built computer with a working i5 core 2 duo e4300, and also a q6600 quad core, still working to this very day. I've never had a history of burning up chips until this recent fiasco of Intel in some ways advertising they're chips of doing more than they really are capable of doing. It was a simple misinterpretation.
And now I'm on a completely new AMD Ryzen 7950X3D build that is only pulling between 67-103 Watt gaming load. I should have done that sooner than falling for Intels marketing gimmick.
@@LousWRX I can see how that hype can get many people. I don't own any Intel CPU's or builds and never have but I am up on stats because I considered Intel as well but just couldn't do it for my own reasons. Great Choice going with AMD. I have the same CPU choice as well. Good job !
@@danielwagner6290 Thank you I appreciate it. I've been enjoying every minute of gaming on this new Ryzen 9 7950X3D setup, I should of done it much sooner!
I had 13900k and the cpu was bsod and not taking my memories anymore at defaults!! Got another one and has been working solid all i did its monitor the vcore , the while line of intel seems screwed up im absolutely amd on the future, sorry for your experience i hope you can go back to amd , intel pushed the 10nm too hard i got less problems after the frame corrector the cores seems to work to hot and the whole bending and oxidation doesn't help cheers!!
I have the 14900KS also. Initially out of the box like most users my chip was boosting way too high and at 1.5 volts was crashing when loading game shaders etc. lowered frequencies to an all core of 5.8 and the voltage dropped automatically around 1.325volts. That was actually fine with me but since I downloaded the latest Bios with the new microcode it will now run 2 cores at 6.2 and the rest at 6.0. E cores are all at 4.5 with no crashes. Voltage is a 1.425. Cenebench score is just over 39,000 something. The new microcode is doing a better job at controlling the boost algorithm. It’s like it’s controlling the core frequencies better and not letting them get out of control. Temps when gaming with a 360mm AIO don’t go above 83c. I do have a Z790 Apex Mobo with 24 Power Stages and beefy VRMs which helps. I’m also running 8,000 speed Ram and a 4090 GPU. If it stays like this I’m happy.
My CPU [i9-13900KF on an MSI MAG Z790 motherboard] seems to be working okay. I was getting crashes when starting my Cyberpunk 2077 game and ended up installing the lastest BIOS [released June '24] and the crashes stopped. I've had no other issues, so I'm hoping I'll have no further problems. I built my system just over a year ago and plan for it to last 4-5 more years...here's hoping. I hope Intel gets you fixed up ASAP...good luck.
Thanks for the information. I decided to move to an AMD X3D setup. I'll just sell the replacement Intel chip they send me.
@@LousWRX That's a good idea. Until this situation with Intel is thoroughly hashed out, I'd avoid Intel CPUs too. My wife is looking at an upgrade for her rig, and I think we'll definitely be looking at AMD as well.
13700k here, running smooth as butter and cool as ice with simple undervolt offset tweaks on BIOS. No thermal throttle during Cinebench 24, passed with flying colors all stress tests I've been throwing at it. 4 months usage, no problems.
intel screwed up since they decided to do the eco cores , i too thought it was going to be the future and fell for a 13900ks , but deep inside my mind I always knew the eco core design was a stupid as idea
Yeah, I'm done with dealing with it. Going AMD X3D setup for my replacement build.
@@nobody1322 you are correct sir and like you and everybody our Curiosity got the better of us. The fact that intel has the balls to contiune making this chips with very little care or at best now making 14900 s chips that feature more p cores and zero eco cores goes to show how much they know. We are in 2024 with Knowledge everywhere online, talking to people. From the dawn of 13 gen till now the Community has provided more than enough evidence of faulty quality control, yet they are still pushing more 14th gen likr its going to fix itself. Im noy recommending amd or intel ever at this time as both seem to be Interested in competing with each other than to actually produce a stable legit. Working CPU as advertised key word advertised? Not hey.It can, but you probably shouldn't run it that fast. I paid for 5.9 all core at all times not this nonsense of load lines droping volts and adjust Frequency. Its all in the words people! You want to hit back stip buying and watch hpe fast ceo resigns and some fresh Eager minds bring some actual good chips, like they used to.
It's stupid for gamers but for me i like e cores but instead of 16 on i9 they should do something like 16p and 8e that will be nice
@theanglerfish That or even just simply 16 performance cores with HTT and no e-cores at all.
@@LousWRX yep that will do the job better
Isn't 1,370 Vcore a little too low for that CPU when at 100% load? Maybe that is the reason why is crashing? And you have set Vcore to manual 1,370V so it always draws 1,370V even at idle? That is not good...
It it certainly too low for that clock speed but I was recommended to keep it below 1.4 voltage to avoid degradation.
How can I know if my CPU is degrading?
Sorry for that late reply. It was pretty hard to keep up with all the comments this video garnered. But, start up a game that has a shader compilation screen after installing new set of GPU drivers, that is probably the easier and quickest way to know if you are having stability issues.
Ive been watching peoples videos and when they showed their HWinfo pages the DRAM voltage is 1.4v+ often 1.47 with just them idling on desktop yours its set to 1.4
Here is an I9 13900K user.
0:49 Should C1E support be enabled istead of disabled?
additionally, I changed the digitAll power setting's CPU LCC to mode 4.
My CPU was operating steadily at 1.330V for the core voltage @5.4Ghz, and it didn't go above that.
Sorry for the late reply, but Intel recommends to disable C1E support today to disable C1E support on Intel motherboard setups.. My motherboard had a BIOS update that automatically disabled that feature that for me a few months prior to this degradation incident going viral.
You have to post a follow up video and show the new CPU does not have the problem you were having. This is the only proof.
@Taras-Nabad I just got done building a new AMD 7950X3D build as my new replacement setup. When I do receive the replacement, it will be sold. I'm done with Intel for now. I will make a video when the replacement arrives. I am also planning on making a new video to show the new AMD setup, which I'm so happy with thus far.
I just shipped my 13900K off for RMA yesterday. I've had over a dozen windows installations within a year's time from constant crashes. I set everything to stock settings to run XTU logs for intel which they requested. The 13900K was only stable at X51 multiplier. After putting back everything to stock settings to run the XTU logs to capture the crash withing 8 minutes. I forgot to put everything back to X51 and lower my 6000mhz ram settings to 4200mhz. The next morning my computer shut off and never came back on. Trouble shot the Asus Hero MB for three days and no signs of life, hard bricked, rip 400+ bucks.
Damn, yeah definitely a very crappy situation to deal with. Hopefully, the replacement chip will be working better for you. 🤞
@@LousWRX me too, on the bright side. I used it as a sign to get the Dark Hero, upgrade my 3080 to a 4090 and pop in a 14900k. Then donate the 13900k when it comes back from RMA and 3080 to my soon to be wife. I was going to wait for next gen gpu’s the 5090. But, the reviews are saying that it wont be geared specifically for gaming, so the 4090 it is till 60 series comes around.
no one is speaking about specific cpu which caused this errors because i am using intel i9 13900k i have faced a lot of bsod before but not every day i have made temperature control limit on bios now it is not creating any issues , i agree what your telling but controlled over clocking issue but exteneded supported clocking limit will not cause any such issues , this issue is coming from few cpu not on all cpu's
1.37 v consistent voltage without MORA or something like that... I dunno, I wouldn't pump that kind of voltage into it cause the voltage was locked
14900KS and 4090 Strix, yet you run an AIO. I question your life choices
Hey, at least it was top spec Corsair H170 iElite with 4 custom higher speeds fan attached to a 420 MM inside of a super tower case with well a total 24 case fans for airflow in an always chilly 65F room.
1.37v seems low to maintain 5.9ghz. I'm wondering if you stability tested these settings using y cruncher, occt, ect.. If you can't pass a shader compilation that means it'll easily fail in y cruncher, which means not enough voltage. You should be running y cruncher to verify XMP stability/compatibility also.
1.37 v is way too much of voltage to pump in consistently into cpu.
The process of degradation was sped up cause the voltage was pumped into it.. unless it was cooled by MORA, wouldn't do this..plus considering the mobbo wasn't top tier and don't know what LLC was used there is a high chance mobbo would droop a bit more than 1.37v .
I barely touch that voltage with my 13900ks and only when off load in idle when short PL1 kicks in ...and he pumped this with long term, PL2
I just got a new PC with an intel 14th gen a month ago and dreading the next few months. I don’t play games and thus far my temps have never throttled and I don’t even know how to overclock. Just curious was your temp reaching highs and were you overclocking? I’m even afraid of running Cinebench or anything that would stress the CPU to its breaking point.
@westfield90 In 4K gaming scenarios, I usually would have load temperatures better 53-70C tops. The real killer for heat output is running heavy multi core loads like Cinebench 2024 and prime 95. You'll reach well over 95C in seconds with a high power limit on those muticore benchmarks. But if you have an adequate AIO, it should be fine under gaming loads and other medium mixed loads, like maybe rendering a video.
BROTHER, THE PL1 IS SUPPOSED TO BE 125W. Not 320 lmfao.
I paid for an Intel i9 14900KS Extreme chip, it didn't tell me to lower down the power limits to i5 i7 levels and expect for it to still boost to 5.8 / 6ghz at stock settings, and low conservative power limits, which would in fact not be able to supply to CPU to maintain enough power to reach those advertised speeds. Go look at the Intel charts for the i9 1490KS, there are 3 different profile choices you can make, and all 3 influence different boost speeds. 150W PL1 is baseline 253 is level 2, and 320 is the extreme profile for power targets.
www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/237504/intel-core-i9-processor-14900ks-36m-cache-up-to-6-20-ghz/specifications.html
I'm on day 19 with my RMA because I demanded an actual refund so I didn't have to sell the CPU on my own. They're being so lame about it taking 5+ days to get back to me and only after I bug them multiple times. They never once said sorry for selling me a defective cpu either (mine was a corrosion Batch#). Intel is jerks man.
Yeah, it is definitely a crappy situation to deal with. I did recently get my replacement i9 14900KS from Intel and it is being sold by today. And they also, did take their time for my situation as well, very slow updates.
Hey hoping you see this, I’ve been having Bluescreens non stop for the past few days and I tried new ram, reinstalling windows, tried every slot for ram and everything points me to my CPU. Blueviewer tells me that the „krnl.exe“ drivers are crashing so I’m currently in the process of returning my i7 14700K. Do you think they will accept my request or do you think if the crash is even CPu related? A reply would be appreciated!
Edit: I never did any overclocking or even change any important bios settings. I’ve had the CPu since December 2023
It wouldn't hurt to give it a try. Contact intel support, you have have to a clear picture of the IHS of the CPU and bottom voltage capacitors on the bottom and proof of purchase. I'm just letting you know that to potentially speed up the process of the RMA. They take about 4 days to reply so getting that information to them on first request helps.
@@LousWRX hey, update here:
I did contact them and they accepted my RMA request and on Friday (16th) DHL came to pick my cpu up and now it’s on its way to Netherlands where I’m supposed to be sending it to and I believe it‘ll arrive tomorrow. I’m just hoping that the new cpu comes by Wednesday because I need my pc after that. How long after intel got your defective CPU did you get your new one?
@@zezakgamer1259 It took about 3-4 days total for them to send me the new replacement CPU. I'm in the USA though, so it could be different for you. Try to have patience though, once you get you're replacement you'll be set just make sure you get the latest micro code update and enforce all intel limits to to prevent anything bad happening to the new replacement chip.
13900K and 14900K Suck at XMP AND I DO BELIEVE that's what's causing the instability and chips to die. IMO. My 13900K cannot Run XMP 7200 Day 1. 6800 looser timings for over a year no crashing or degrading. The 14900KS has terrible reviews on Amazon and I also believe they are running XMP and crashing out of the gate. I do not believe all those cpus are degraded out of the box.
Suddenly my waste of sand 11900k feels good. In all seriousness, this is truly unacceptable and Intel's lack of accountability and not wanting to recall these processors are so typical of them. It's only going to get worse with more reports of failures.
My decision to underclock my 13900KS to 5.4ghz for efficiency saved its life 💀
Good thinking.
proud amd user
@@-_vshark_9845 🫡🖖 Same here now with my new Ryzen 9 7950X3D build! Link ruclips.net/video/zQ5CdygBJpY/видео.htmlsi=d3gMBlVMF1zHjsbC
It's probably the loadline calibrations - most boards have these set quite wrong by default.
I had it set at level 3 since ownership of the CPU.
@LousWRX interesting it might have degraded slightly but loadlines could make situation worse.
I would suggest put the CPU loadline on advanced and something like 80/80. Put Digitall power on mode 3.
@mornnb Yeah, unfortunately, it is on its way back to Intel. I'm just going to end up selling the replacement chip they send me and going AMD X3D.
Scares me I almost bought one, ive had a 4770k work for many years to this day and am planning a new build. I will wait for the backside power delivery cpu Intel's new this fall. sorry for the folks that bought troubles, Heat destroys everything cpu gpu memory even power supply. tech has got to be more efficient use less power work better.
I had a failed 14900ks. Good test is to disable those 2 preferred performance cores in your bios. If your computer starts working normal, then it's probably fried P-cores. I couldn't even install windows fresh without BSOD's. I had to send mine back. It was so bad it actually had a defect appear on the IHS Lid where a piece of metal was sticking out like it had an air bubble in the metal or something.
@TheAJKid Yeah, it's on its way back. I did order a complete AMD X3D setup. Did they replace your i9 14900KS with a brand new sealed one? I'm definitely selling what they send back, I just hope it's a new retail boxed chip.
@@LousWRX it was a retail sealed chip in the original packaging, for sure. The new chip is performing extremely well, but I got a beefier motherboard (Asus Maximus z790 Dark Hero). I did want to note that the newest Nvidia driver is causing issues with some games in general, I thought my new chip was messed up, too. I rolled back and everything runs like hot butter. But in my testing, I’m finding the motherboards LLC Level and Svid behavior play a huge role in these chips overall stability and performance when pushing them to the stock limits. I want to make a video myself about setting up for peak stock performance, there is too much crap on overclocking but no one explains the settings that effect performance and stability outside of overclocking and it’s kinda ridiculous.
@@TheAJKid Thanks for the information, I appreciate it very much. 👍
When you do the exchange, do they send you the replacement 1st or do you have to send in yours before they ship the RMA?
You have the option to cross ship, and they will send the CPU first, but you will be charged price of CPU until they get RMA cpu. I went the standard slow way, mail them CPU and wait until they return a new one to replace it. I built an AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D build.
Hi, I really wanted to get in touch with somebody with this problem. I am not a full tech enthusiast with a high end desktop, but definitely a tech geek.
I really wanted this information from someone. As for you, has Windows ever BSOD'd on you? If so, I really do want to see the memory dump and the error code.
If your processor has degraded a lot and is not even running correctly at stock settings, increasing the voltage further will help, but I can't say if it will degrade further or not. One thing better you can do is to lower the clock speed as it will almost definitely increase the stability. If I were you, I would even go deeper and see if only any cores are affected and if so, I would either lower their clock speed and keep others at high, or maybe increase its voltage but again, that might cook it even faster. Also, disabling C states will also increase stability.
As for your new processor, I think you can go and and safely use it right now, but I would really recommend to undervolt as much as possible, and maybe still lower the power limits (320 for 14900KS is still a lot). If the voltages and power remain low, then it will greatly increase its lifespan. Lowering the clock speed by a bit will also definitely help, especially if the voltages remain low, or maybe if the clock speed out of the box is just too high.
I am on a laptop with a similarly degraded core, but its a Kaby Lake processor. I have done so much tinkering to get this running, but the firmware just won't allow me access to voltages or turbo ratio limits. I use Linux and either just disable that core, or run the whole processor at lower frequency. That is why I am so eager to get in touch with someone with this problem. I hope you reply.
@@TuxikCE HI, I have gotten a BSOD a few times when gaming or during a loading scene in a game. I've always had my c-state disabled, and LLC set to level 3. Unfortunately, the chip is already on its way back to Intel so I can't do any further testing / tinkering, but I think what I'll end up doing is selling the replacement chip they send me and go AMD X3D.
But I do appreciate the information you've provided.
@@LousWRX Please upload the C:/Windows/MEMORY.DMP file if you still have it. I want to try debugging it. And yeah, I mean, you can AMD X3D, but what about the new motherboard? If so, I would definitely recommend to wait until Ryzen 9000. Even after that though, you can still run your new processor with lower voltages and power limits and it should run fine, according to my tech knowledge. A PL2 of 270 watts should be safe, but I don't know all about the knobs in your firmware and so see if you can specifically reduce the power draw of the P cores because I think the E cores do just fine at stock. And definitely undervolt as much as you can. Make sure cooling is also proper as that also affects voltages. On your degraded processor, you really could have tried just lowering the P core clock speed by just a couple hundred MHz, it could have just worked fine, because I have seen people do this and it just worked, but yeah of course RMA is always better.
@TuxikCE Unfortunately, I won't be able to upload the debug file as the chip is sent out and I was on a Raid 0 setup so the only way I can get the files is to install another Intel CPU, which I don't have anymore. And yeah, I did order a complete AMD setup; X670E Chipset, 7950X 3D, along with expo ddr5 6400 memory. And yeah, I did originally want to wait until ZEN 5, but I should have the opportunity to return at least the motherboard and memory before the 8 Series AMD boards come.
@@LousWRX Wait, I don't get it. All you need to access the dump file is that drive where Windows is installed, and a functional computer to read the file.
@@TuxikCE hes on a raid setup so he cant access the files unless he boots from the motherboard as theyre parsed over multiple hard drives. raid stripes pieces of a file across multiple drives so he has to raid the drives again to read any data on them.
253pl .030v droop.
rip im fucked i also have a problem but with a 13700kf but my problem is i delided my cpu so rip warranty and thats what fucked me up the most that this shit happened later delided almost every cpu i had ofc i use it a couple of weeks before i do that to validate if its worth yep what can i say intel fucked up big this time and are not taking full credit for what they did only avoiding, you cant even sell the motherbords maybe because people will not buy it only if you are fast enough and sell it now and im still on ddr4 so also have to sell that to get ddr5 or sit on the ddr4, that system would last for me like 3 to 4 years since i watercool my systems dont want to keep building every year, just play games after the build. gg intel will see what amd can brings sad days for gamers and everyone with this problems
That is one reason I never delid or lap my CPU's. I have one time in the past and it ended up just not being worth it. Temps were a little better, but the fact you cannot warranty an expensive part is a great reason to never do it again. If I did that with my 13900k, I would be out of luck and $600+ down.
It has to be 253W, not 320W; and 253W is the maximum, the top limit!!
@josearqco Thankfully, my CPU was actually fine and not damaged, but they still replaced it for me. I made an update video it's linked. In the description under 3rd update.
Link to update video: ruclips.net/video/EFzrRCJlow4/видео.htmlsi=iNldv4hOJdusx7fY
I can see law suits start flying around
They might send you back a sub part compatible CPU instead of an equivalent of the CPU you are sending back. Please let us know which CPU you end up receiving.
@teknativo I will definitely report back when the replacement arrives, and I'm literally going to sell it the day it arrives. I just built a new AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D build, now just taking the time to learn the settings and get some games tested! 👍
@@LousWRX Good idea.
But anybody out there, do not risk it, it will be had to sell them even a lower cost. Better to request a full refund.
What about 13600K? Mine with a B760M DDR4 works still fine since February with voltages around 1.2-1.3 something V on mid to heavy loads. Even on the Intel diagnostics test tool didn't pulled as much as 1.4V as far as I remember. I don't know how much CPU will last before it fails. What should I look at for degradation? Thanks.
@@ajrf92 You probably have to some digging onlline, but just be weary. I do think Intel is supposedly increasing the warranty period of their Chips, but not too how long ago you purchased yours. Have a backup of files if possible, and hopefully it is no affected by the Oxidation issues.
@@LousWRX Number indicates that it was made on the 13th week of 2023. Bought in February, as I told in the previous comment.
I have my 14900kf now for 7months and have no Problems. I have undervolted it with -75mV. In Games reach 5.7ghz on all P-Core with ~1.38V at ~65-70 degree and 4.4ghz on all E-Cores. Cache is locked at 4.5ghz and ram has 6000 CL32
give him a time
I updated my bios to the latest Asus Microcode 0x125 dropped my vcore to 1.341V on my 14900k remember running cini bench R23 at 320 watts 100c at 400 amps you will get degradation. A 14900KS must be delided and proper cooling not a stock AIO
1:36 It's no wonder, you have the 59 multiplier on all cores.....Try that on an AMD CPU and find out the same thing or worse will happen. You're pushing the CPU too hard, you're to blame for this.
5.7 probably would of been safest. I'm now on an Ryzen 9 7950X3D setup though.
@@LousWRX No, just set it to auto and let the CPU control itself. Far too many people thought they were dealing with their 10 year old Ivy Bridges.
Tell intel to send you another one especially if your still in warranty 👍
This is very concerning especially since you clearly had your CPU running in a safe voltage range.
There may be something else at play here besides simply high voltages.
When I bought 13700kf it had 102 biscuits on gigabyte bios now my 13700kf has only 76 biscuits count its only stable at 5.3ghz when I overclock it beyond that it's crashing. Biscuit count is like sp count of Asus
It must be bad batches, my 13700k has been overclocked for two years with 1.34v 5.6 all core 4.4E and 4.9R no degration and my 7200mhz DDR5 is still stable, the Shader comp issue is a thermal crash lowering my PL to 200 stopped the crashes but this is because my AIO is absolute garbage! Seems like the bad batches are truly from bad fab process.
There are no bad batches, you just got lucky or you will be in trouble any moment from now.
My first pc was has amd cpu and I was enjoying its performance in gaming but when I bought a new pc with Intel cpu, I was disappointed at Intel cpu performance in gaming.
Pl1 125, pl2 253. PERIOD!
That's what I thought!!
Sorry about that. I just returned my rma cpu back to Intel and will be fighting for a refund. The last 02 14900k intel sent to me were sp 90. Not that means much, but horrible voltages and instability with my ram, which I never had before with my 14900k that I bought back in Nov/2023. My system always had voltage and power on check. Hope you get a good cpu.
@ultra_sound. I decided with going with an AMD X3D build. And when Intel sends me the replacement CPU, I'll sell it and move on.
@@LousWRX great choice. If they approve my refund, I will do the same.
I spent almost 2000 for a pre-built with core i7 1300KFS. Now, because I I don’t trust any 13/14 generation processors I am going to build a very nice Ryzen PC.. I deserve compensation from I intel
Good move. I'm moving to AMD X3D as well. Just waiting on the parts to arrive.
When you do get your new cpu I wouldn't run that extreme setting. Instead undervolt it because even though your cpu is getting swapped out doesn't mean the new one won't have issues. And there is no guarntee the microcode coming out in mid August is going to fix the issue
Yes, I just recent ordered an AMD X3D setup to build, I'm just waiting for the parts to arrive. And the replacement Intel CPU they send me will be sold.
Make sure you document the return of the old CPU - take a photo of it being dropped off at UPS and a photo of the return label they provide so you have the tracking number. I did a cross ship of my 13900K in May and the $630+ refund on my Discover card took weeks because they claimed it never arrived. I had video proof of handing it to UPS and eventually, my refund mysteriously appeared on my Discover card. I actually think it was lost in shipping, but the video proof I provided saved me $630. Just an FYI.
I will certainly do that. Thanks for the information.
This has just saved me from buying the 14700k which I'm guessing has similar issues and instead going with 7800x3d as it's like nearly 100 cheaper where I am
Good thinking. i just ordered a complete AMD X3D setup. Anxious to get started with it, but hopeful it is the right choice.
Does 13600k hv this problem ?
Unless you are overvolting it then no, the power it pulls is way lower than it’s flagship counterparts
Been running a 7950X3D overclocked to 5.96 GHz with a 65W ECO mode cap and it runs flawless and very fast since it came out and does everything I need(video encoding/editing, photo editing, programming, gaming, a little AI, etc), everyone should just RMA their intel CPU or switch to AMD, lol
Yes, I just recent ordered an AMD X3D setup to build, I'm just waiting for the parts to arrive. And the replacement Intel CPU they send me will be sold.
I suggest you hold onto it for a bit longer. Arrow Lake is coming soon, as soon as the Core Ultra 9 285K releases, sell it and your motherboard, get the new motherboard and the new CPU
I sent it back, and decided to go AMD X3D route. The new Intel replacement they send me will be sold.
@@LousWRX AMD X3D will do good for games, not for anything else though
@RobloxianX Well, the 7950X 3D is also a decent processor for workloads. Maybe you thought I was going 7800 X3D, which is actually only good gaming.
@@LousWRX No no, X3D on Zen 4 cripples the CPUs ability to do work outside of heavy Cache using situations, which is 99% of the time gaming. And the 9950X just released so like
@@RobloxianX Well, the majority of my content I upload is gaming videos, so either way I'll enjoy it for it what it does, and just take things from there.
I mean... You consistently pumped 1.37 V into your CPU and do not have a top tier motherboard and your CPU degraded... Cannot say i am surprised lol.
I have 13900KS for past 2 years now, never power limited, do not have intentions of upgrading BIOS to limit its performance but since day 1 i am running - 0.05V and light LLC so i dont have big jumps / difference in Voltages, always disabled that thermal nonsense and left the CPU to run on normal / stock frequencies.
My CPU only gets close to 1.37 V when idle, and boosting 1 core., under load in Cinebench voltages are below 1.2 V.
Thats on ASUS Z790 APEX MOBBO
Never had issues whatsoever!
Sry bud, i do know that INTEL HAS A BIG PROBLEMS HERE, but you sped up that process by pumping 1.37 constant voltage
@Need4FPS Well, I was mistaken by Intels promotional materials of this chip. When I saw them advertise 5.9 Ghz out the box boost clocks, I didn't realize that pertained to 3 or 4 performance cores only. So when I first installed my chip at all factory defaults Intel setting and started up a game, I saw my CPU clocks maintaining 5,876 MHZ in all games, so because of that misinterpretation I assumed that was the chip boosting All-Core to 5876 Ghz, but it was in fact only a select number of performance cores.
And 2ndly, I mistakenly took the advice of the Framechasers RUclips channel to lock all cores to 5.9 Ghz if you own an i9 14900KS CPU to avoid the 6.2 Ghz single core boost speed. So, just clarify a little bit more. It was only just recently that I set that 59 ratio after seeing his recent video, so it hasn't been that way for the entire ownership of the CPU.
I should also mention had set a TJ MAX threshold of 87C, so realistically in gaming load, while all I use is my PC, for it probably is even really being pushed all that far as game typically utilize between 10-17% in games. And lastly, out of my past 24 years of building computers, this is the first I'm I've ever had a computer component fail, ever. Heck, I still own a secondary old built computer with a working i5 core 2 e4300, and also a q6600 quad core, still working to this very day. I've never had a history of burning up chips until this recent fiasco of Intel in some ways advertising their Chips of doing more than they really are capable of doing. It was a simple misinterpretation.
And now I'm a completely new AMD Ryzen 7950X3D build that is only pulling between 67-103 Watt gaming load. I should have done that sooner than falling for Intels marketing gimmick.
He locked all cores at 5.9 instead of 5.7 so it was still doing that suicide voltage thing on some of them. Your CPU isn't doing it unless you're at 5.8.
@@LousWRX
Fair enough... If you're playing on higher resolution, don't even bother messing with CPU unless turning off AI crap and undervolting cause in games you won't stress your CPU enough that will cause instability due to undervolting..but will extend its life.
Performance gains are almost non existent as majority of the load falls onto GPU itself.
Let's us know how the 7950x3d compares to 14900ks :)
I might upgrade next year to a new 3d chip if they re gonna release one, but will definitely keep the 13900ks to have some muscle (power) for workload lol
And just to add... Unless you're having an overkill cooling solution, something like hardcore water-cooling (or MORA) pumping consistent voltage (locking it) is not a good thing on a long run. I found adaptive & undervolting is the best thing to go for as a casual user (not an expert).
Potential locking yes, but for stock frequencies and mild voltage...yours was a bit crazy ;)
Sorry to hear it. Hopefully this is your last Intel CPU
Thanks. And it certainly is. Just waiting on my AMD X3D setup to arrive for a new build.
got mine end of feb and is showing degredation and i undervolted etc from day 1
Hello Lou!
No way, man. I am really sorry to hear that. It's really good that you took action sooner, and don't worry, everything will be fine. Please consider upgrading your cooling system once your new CPU arrives. My CPU has been delided since day one, and at this point, the warranty is not available anymore, even if I glue it back. Glad that you kept it in its original state.
Since I heard recently about all this drama with degradation, I have changed my CPU to Intel default settings as well as you showed in your video. I know that my CPU is stable at 5.9 GHz by having 1.3V set into the bios. If shortly is not as stable as now, then I know as well that something is going wrong. No issues regarding shader compilation, CPU usage, and temperature are kind of skyrocketing; it seems that the complete system is placed to the stress test, CPU, GPU, and memory as well.
God bless!
@BMAR92 Thanks, man. I appreciate the supportive words. And yeah, I'm debating to sell the replacement chip if it comes new sealed, and as I know, the re-sale values are going to be shit with this issue going on. And then just move to AMD, but I would like to wait for ZEN5 and 800 series Motherboards first. So I don't think I could wait that long, obviously.
And yeah, it's smart to move everything to Intel default settings, I may even & go lower set throttle temperature to like 80C and wait until the mid-August motherboard update with updated microcode until I do any increases in anything. And yeah, I do know I do need to get better cooling at some point. I just haven't done so yet, as my next big upgrade will likely be an RTX 5090.
@@LousWRXNo worries Lou, that at least I can do. We have to support each other. I have some doubts about upgrading to the next microcode in August. There are a lot of people on the overclocked forum saying that Intel wants to decrease the CPU performance much further, just to keep the CPU stable.
I hav mines locked to 5.7 at 1.39v llc 6 asus z690-I
@@merkedgg6322 that's a good safe limit, props!
I also had some issues but I have solved without performance degradation. Hier is what to do set all static pcores to 5.6 ecores to 4.4 ring to 4.5 voltage to 1.310v that should help and run conebench 10mins my still scores 40600 till now no issues. The ring should not be forgotten it contributes to the issue when set to auto it goes up to 5.0ghz but forget it also increases the voltage and I have realized 4.5-4.7 is a sweet spot.
I have this cpu for 2 months now I have noticed that sometimes it takes couples of tries to play certain games at launch because it crashes or sometimes crashes after a while.. In vr it became laggy and shader completion gives me bsod every time on marvel rivals but on some games it works I'm unsure if my cpu degraded or not or I'm doing something wrong
Windows 10 literally solved my issues, and then get process lasso (free version) for apps that are finicky with the E-cores, to which in my experience is virtually none, except one game. 13700k user with Ddr5. I was having crashes roughly after 2 months of being on win 11 from a brand new built computer
@@KemicolMusic I just bought the ryzen 7800x I couldn't deal with all of the problems many games that I bought had out of video memory error it was too much for me >~
@@lumia_dayZ It's fair, I just hope my processor won't be guaranteed to unalive itself any time soon
Actually if I’m on 90c limits my 14900KS can be degraded? Of course I did put the current PL 320W and 400A ICCMAX which is Intel extreme profile
90c 1.25v to 1.30v safe
85c 1.30v to 1.35v safe
80c 1.35v to 1.40v safe
75c 1.40v to 1.45v safe
70c 1.45v to 1.50v safe
65c 1.50v to 1.55v safe
60c 1.55v to 1.60v safe
@@club4ghz and how about 89c to 1.50v?
@@YGadgETech You have maybe few months like that.
@@club4ghz so my best safe bet is to update bios and then it will be OK? Or I’ll have to lock my cores? And if I have to do that so only the p cores or also the e cores?
@@YGadgETech Lock all P-cores and no more than 1.4v 90c. Gaming temps no more than 75c. Short bursts to 90c at 1.4v should be ok, just don't let it run for hours every day 1.4v 90c.
Very sorry to hear you had issues only 4 months after build. I have been using Intel CPUs since the early 90s starting with a second hand 8088. I worked in high school during my summer break to afford a Pentium with 90Mhz. It was back then what is now the upcoming 15th gen. Top of the line. The CPU cost about 1500 dollars in today's money. Just the CPU. I then heard about the FDIV bug in a paper. Got it RMAd by Intel. It was a huge deal back then. They did the right then via a recall though very few users were actually affected by the bug. I then tried amd athlon in the early 2000s and got burned. The cpu was unstable and plagued by overheating. So returned to Intel and worked my way through the generations... Core 860K, 6700K, now 12700k. Before I built my 12700k system, I had actually built an amd one. That was around 2021. But it was unstable. Booting into Windows 11 blue screened. So I said, burnt twice, it is enough. Never going to back to amd now. Intel till I die. So this year, I was going to get a 15th gen one when they come out around October this year. But now not sure. I just dislike how Intel handled this whole thing, how this massive issue could slip through their QA process. I also got really tired of them trying to compete just by increasing the energy consumption. I live in the UK and energy is expensive here. So I think I may give AMD a final, third chance this fall... All the best for your return. Will you stick with team blue?
@hackneymarshes It's all good. Stuff like this does happen. I'm just happy they are honoring the RMA. I'm working on building an AMD 7950 X3D setup as I type that. So that will be the new build. And the replacement they send will likely just be sold for whatever it is still worth.
@@LousWRX Good plan. Wish you all the best with the build! I will probably soon also join the AMD team again.
Would you then recommend going with AMD ? Or just wait until Intel gets their act together with new chips ?
Yes, I just recent ordered an AMD X3D setup to build, im just waiting for the parts to arrive.
Go straight to AMD, do research on your EXPO RAM, mine cannot overclock XMP or EXPO and its DDR5 which I will eventually fix. But my 7800X3D gets 4K 144 FPS with my 6700XT which should be an easy bottleneck and it was with the 14900K.
Update to latest Bios, and use Intel profile, your cpu might be broken, but worth a try. The Intel profile should sett power correct for you, to me your values looks wrong.
@gunnarhalvorsen3067 April of 2024 is the last updated bios available, which I've had for a while now. The Intel chip is on its way back, and I ordered a complete AMD X3D setup. The replacement Intel chip they send me will be sold.