Does It Hold UP? | EVH 5150 Iconic In A Live Band Setting!
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Great review, very thorough. Showing a realistic application. Hearing this in a band setting is how a real reviewer tests an amp.
Cool demo Kyle!
Cool amp James. Just found a triple xxx 2 days ago. Amazing amp!
Thank you, sir!
Is this THE James Brown?
@@garrettboomerbender amp guy, yes
Hell yea! Was just playing my stealth 50 watt and got the notification for this vid! What better way to start the morning with breakfast and breakdowns 🤘🏼
I often use a 20w Joyo Zombie at band practice and even used it once in a pinch at an open air gig in a 2x12 cab, and it still held up (obviously the cab was mic'd at the gig), so for me I never even wondered if an 80w 5150 would hold up. 😆😎
Awesome seeing you use the Iconic in a rehearsal! Definitely shows that this amp can hang!! Great video!!
Fantastic - A band setting is the ultimate test application. I can’t tell you how many amps sounded good at home settings but then just didn’t cut in a full band setting.
Same, it's the true test of an amp's worth!
Love the early 90’s type hardcore!
I know this is about the Iconic, but props to your bassist for using that Mesa Bass 400. Those things are AMAZING
No doubt man, absolutely KILLER classic bass heads. The only one I like more is the 80's Ampeg SVTII Pro
I really like the fact that you did this rehearsal demo thing.
Glad you dug it man!
I don't have much to add, but that Gorilla Biscuits crew neck is the most posi thing I've ever seen.
Would love to see the iconic vs the dsl 100
Especially since the price went up in a way that they are even in price.
Favorite moment. The hat flip edit.
Someone stopped by the house so I had to stop mid film, didn't even realize I flipped the hat til the edit. OOPS
Didn’t realize you played with this band. I grew up on brothers keeper and eerie hardcore (Neverfall, shockwave disciple etc)
Joined not too long ago but have been playing shows with and seeing these guys' other bands for years! Great dudes.
Archon 50 mkii vs 5150 Iconic would be the ultimate full size, 1k amp, shootout! Iconic is sounding great man 👊
Guess who just got an Archon MKII?
SHEEEEESHHHHHH I CANT WAIT 👊
I tried one the other day and honestly it was somewhat dialed in similar to my guitarist valve king 100 but the low end is much more boomier and bigger on the valve king (100 watts vs 80 watt's). I feel they both have this heavy top end frequency you can't EQ out, I felt like I had to run the low and the mids higher and scoop the highs and dial the presence to taste and leave the resonance around noon to make it sound beefy for the chugs. The burn boost really doesn't do much but accentuate those already annoying high frequencies and the clean with the overdrive is much better but it's obviously more brighter overall than the lead channel. It's a tough sell considering the evh stealth or EL34 50 watt heads are more versatile and bang for your buck, I think it can hang but the guitarist who try the 666 settings to try to dial in guitar tone will be in for a rude
awakening this amp you really have to tweak to get a good overall tone
That Gorilla Biscuits long-sleeve is epic haha.
Love these band rehearsal videos!
Kyle great video. In a touring band TEN96 and because of your video I bought one. Love it!! Have about 5 5150 peavey and two xxx. This smokes. Love it!! Thanks again on great videos!!
The mxr 10 band and the 6 band too, do wonders for any amp. I’m really liking your channel man!
I’ve thought it sounded good as soon as people were getting there hands on them and I could hear it myself,I’m not concerned where it’s from or if it’s tube or solid state,something sounds good to you or not
YES
EMS is a heck of a bass player, didnt know you played with Human Animal, glad to follow another hardcore dude. Enjoy the channel
Love this amp! Played one today! I have been a Peavey 5150 user since 1995.
Now I gotta look up ur band Human Animal. The song sounded great. 🤘:)
Thanks man! Social links are in the video description
@@belligerentamateur just listened to the False Realities album. Good stuff.
Here the review is the Star. That's how all Amps should be reviewed. Good Job.
I love the sound of the whole EVH amps my only stupid lil gripe was that the iconic looked too plain or boring looking. But sounds freaking great!
I am making a Flame Maple wood faceplate. Doing a black stain then cut back a little..
I like videos that show amps and cabs in band context. 👍
I see a Gorilla Biscuits shirt. Hells yeah.
12:13 your vocalist has this 25 Ta Life brutal era Rick Ta Life thing which is cool
Because of your comment he was now dubbed E-Ric Ta Life last practice!
@@humananimal814 haha
Great video Kyle my Iconic is rolling in Monday,May 2nd,so I will have some time with it I am curious how my Rev G3,pedal will function
Try it in the effects return of the iconic!
Personally, I wouldn't balk at an 80w - or 50w - amp for live; my old band ran dual (vintage) 5150's, and never turned up past 4 onstage. 100w is a LOT of power.
Totally agreed man. It's more about the headroom than the volume, and most 50-80w amps have the headroom to pull it off quite easily.
Especially when venues run everything through the PA and won't let you really turn up to nut rattling levels. My old JCM2000 never got to roar outside of our rehearsal room.
Iconic review Thrash!! Well done
The iconic sounds good without eq pedal.
This may sound silly but do you think a boss katana mk2 head would keep up?
pretty cool an honest Video but lets be honest using this in a mix for a lot of player is going to be the fullness of the resonance and presence of this amp.. It appears to be a solid amp and lets be honest practice is usually the hardest part on any amp live you can run thru a board and not have to push so hard but competing against 2 heads like you are its going to be frustrating and yes Vintage 30's did have a rough batch for a little bit your not the first to say anything about it its actually why i have always tried to mix like Vintage 30 and greenbacks in a 4-12 to give a better round sound now again this is just me but hey we all learn from somewhere .. But honestly you have been really great and honest , i was actually waiting to get a 6505+ and I liked how much i could dial in with this Iconic so i got it instead and I am actually glad that i did ... Nice videos keep up the great work ...
Freakin love your content man! Rock on!
Human Animal band reminds me of the Cro Mags.
We'll take that as a huge compliment!
Nice. It can do the job, but yeah it's a little fizzy in this application. Perhaps a different cab. Great real world testing man.
Yeah, cab would make the differences needed, IMO
I was going to say, With the EQ off it was definitely smoother, dare i say more pleasant on the ears. But when you turned he Eq on it absolutely gave each amp it's own distinct voice that made them blend really well together. You're right, tweak that EQ a smidge to get rid of a little bit of the honk and it would be perfect.
Yep that answered my questions - thanks! I am the only guitarist in our metal band, I have been playing new DSL100'S into 412's - But looking for that heavy EVH 6L6 tone..I am kinda happy with the SS rectifier in theory, 7 preamp tubes in the 50W, could be troublesome to diagnose - sure the build may be better but thinking of taking the plunge...412 1960A in studio when I know the gig venue has only that BUT my 412 is a EGNATOR TOURMASTER 412 V30'S best cab eva!!! Just SOOOOHEAVY...UPDATE - Picking it up tomorrow, I feel good as it something different! I dont have heaps of cash but f..k it. Its gunna be for live use 100%
Just to be cear, all 5150's have SS rectifiers, as do pretty much every metal amp. I thnk you meant SS input and PI
@@belligerentamateur Sure, noted, my bad,.I meant the lack of tubes in the preamp section and how they have done some transistor swap instead of the first tube in the input stage as you pointed out...anyways i pick it up tomorrow. I feel progressive with my choice..so many people hating the change and this amp, thats why I think its worth a try ..its different
I wonder what it would sound with the hot modz preamp tubes
Hey Kyle, how do you think this amp stacks up in different styles of rock (80s metal, classic rock, etc)? BTW, I'm a big fan of the MXR Badass Modified Overdrive as well.
Great content
Man, I now have the ICONIC - ITS AN ABSOLUTE FRICKING BEAST - One thing is for sure the folks giving this bad press dont play metal😂. May take it to my show on the weekend...will give it a run at rehearse tomorrow - Thanks for you input bro!
How did it sound at rehearsal ?
@@dunforever1052 Hey man, Rehearsal very good - I used it for our debut show in a packed city club in Sydney Aus. Metal of course, 5 metal bands on the bill. I can say its the business - Ran BOOST EQ into fx loop as you mentioned, thru backline 1960A - miked-
(MY PREF IS V30'S for this) - this is key to give it that push - FX loop is boss NO VOLUME FLUCTUATION - The transistor portion of this fixes that issue as the preamp tube in charge is replaced - Ran the red at 5 and volume at 5 - but will revisit - clean has lots of headroom - It chugs but it also plays nice - its got class, chugging is not everything folks - I basically nearly dimed the EQ section and used the resonance and presence as my determining EQ - It is loud and its metal - I am getting another as backup - My DSL'S are put away. Purists can have their say and mine is similar to the great man himself, if it sounds good it is good. This is the tone I want. Boost is also great. I don't need 7 preamp tubes. Cant afford Stealth amps - I am in discussion with our EVH rep to maybe cut a promo deal. Our band is fricking loud , I would 100% use this for any size venue.
Not that you need any more boost pedals, but I bet you'd really find a VFE focus/standout to be very handy since you work with so many different amps. It has no clipping stages and it has great hpf/lpf shelving sections. It has massive output too which is cool if the shelving is applied heavily. I usually use mine as a wider less-shelved boost. Kind-of the opposite of a tubescreamer, but it can also do more of a screamer boost with heavy shelving and raised level.
Definitely heard many great things about them. Last I heard, VFE is no longer making pedals and these are hard to come by?
I mean. Pat from Fit For An Autopsy can't be wrong
awesome video man! answeared all my questions. great.
Glad to hear it!
Bass 400+ was my first tube amp 😬
It's a tank!
Have you tried an Iconic cab? I bought 2 of them and I feel like they have a greenback sound. I put 2 V30s in an x pattern in one of the cabs and they sound good both ways. Pretty solid cabs for the price. Just my 2 cents.
Kyle great video! Loved the info and entertainment content!🤘🏻
Thanks Doug!
Rewatched again. On the fence on the iconic or 5150iii 6l6 100w. Found both used, $400 price difference.
Yes, it holds up in a live band setting.. I had the volume on 7 and was drowning out the drummer almost lol
You've probably covered this topic before - I've noticed most of the cabs in your videos are angled "A" cabs. Most heavy music players seem to favor straight "B" cabs. What's your take?
This is cool and I do happen to have that mxr 10band eq,so this is cool
Hot shit on a stick! Your singer's Gorilla Biscuits shirt is SIIICK.
I just don't like Hybrid amps, and Iconic definitely looks cheap once you start poking around Closer at it.....personally I would get a used JCM, DSL, or anything full Tube.....they really don't cost much, Lol.
I wanna see more of that jamming!
GREAT job here! Who else would have done this...great job! Hey, did you have the "burn" engaged when on channel 2?
Yes I did!
@@belligerentamateur I just played one of these amps at my local GC and really liked it, I would have purchased it but I want the black one. I was on channel 1 most of the time, sounds great to me. I also liked channel 2 but found the Burn button adding low end mud. Maybe something an OD pedal would fix? BTW...YOU are now my favorite channel! You do awesome work...keep it up! You were at 4k when I first subscribed...you will be hitting 10k soon!
@@danc3746 yeah the amp can be a little tricky to balance out but overall sounds very good! Thanks for the support dude, glad to have you along for so much of the journey, i appreciate the kind words.
I just downloaded the 2019 Human Animal- Festival of Idiots! I’ll check it out!
That is hilarious, that's actually not us! Haha. You can find our stuff here:
open.spotify.com/artist/4dOBzdyAPYIexZ5hlYkQay?si=K41X1DUyQTyXpTBm2uaJLg
@@belligerentamateur oh Snap!
Awesome!! Human Animal rules, I love it, so hardcore! And not sure about that iconic, it cuts... just sounds kinda thin
Thanx for the kind words!
Every time you say “and you get the unprocessed audio on your end” I hear “and you get the unprocessed audio on urine”
Not quite sure why I felt like I should comment with this but there ya go. Now you get to hear it weird every time too! Lol
You guys rule
@Mark Seymour lmfao I'm never gonna hear it the same now!
Absolutely awesome 🔥❤❤❤👍
You are!
Kyle don't know if you have or had or if you even had a Marshall DSL 100HR head? But that would likely be a good amp to try out in that band practice setting......just my opinion
I'm on the hunt, currently. Haven't played or heard that model yet.
I second him getting one to demo, try out, and compare.
@@belligerentamateur I own both the 100HR and 20HR ....the 100 is just a great amp to the DSL legacy
Hell yeah brother 🎸🤘
How does the Green ch do with an OD into the front for VH I and Ac Dc type tones?
My Iconic must be the only one on the market that has mids, almost too much mids.
Earth Crisis / 25 Ta Life vibes
haha i did the same remark about the 25 Ta Life thing just a second ago :)
Next step - use at Bushido Code practice!!
Around halfway in, you mentioned the 16 ohm version of the V-30... Is there any kind of audible difference between them and the 8 ohm version?
According to Nolly the 8 Ohm will be a little tighter and more mid forward with less high end, but its not a huge difference. The enclosure will make more of a difference.
You have a real job as well right? It's always good to have a back up plan! Take that as your like.
A "real job". Thanks for the encouragement!
EQ on, it sounded much more present and full, but also kinda drowned out the other guitar....?
Yeah In the room it was good but on playback I think my cab may have been hitting the mic more directly so it sounded like too much, but I am hearing what you heard.
Gorilla Biscuits!
Fit For An Autopsy uses these heads. Case Closed
YT has butcher this with commercials, otherwise 👍🏽
Sweet vid
hmmm the amp just sounds to thin and fizzy. I want to like it but I just can't get over the playing in a can sound it has.
I've had my personal impressions of this head without ever actually plugging into one, based on so many RUclips videos. There's way too many other grail high gain heads out there that are unquestionably superior to the Iconic. Of course better comes with a bigger price tag.
You're absolutely right, there is better. Kyle is not saying this is the greatest amp ever, or even that its a great amp. He's not trying to convince anyone to buy the iconic.Nobody is saying this is a grail amp, because its not. Its an economy amp.I mean obviously there's better out there. All Kyle is trying to do is provide people with as much real world information that he can so people can make an educated decision.
@@thegodslayer8545 Exactly. I've seen such a polarized split amongst the guitar community over this amp. You have a lot of people who are super supportive of the Iconic, and then the other half absolutely despise the tone...and it's causing a lot of online rifts. I don't love it, and I don't hate it. For the price it's pretty ok. I'm about to invest in a new live rig and the Iconic never really made it to my radar. I've been scouting amps like KSR Genesis & Engl Powerball... I think Kyle and Tone Wars has been the most transparent channels in delivering the real sound of this amp.
The iconic is a 5150. The 5150 already changed the tone world. I own this amp and many other EVH amps and it sits in and hangs with all of them. Go try one for yourself.
@@ivsiguitarist other half ? You mean 1 guy who's bashed it since day 1 and has never played one ?
Any REAL reviewer has done comprehensive testing of the amp, they test the amp alone, then vs other amps and like Kyle did, in a band setting.
@@ivsiguitarist I have a Engl Fireball 100, it's so brutal. I want to try a Powerball so bad. I bet it's gnarly. I'm also a huge fan of KSR. I think the Eros is the greatest OD/Boost ever made. I'd love to get an amp from Kyle one day.
Im gonna ask; Is it worth buying? Lot Of people are complaining about this amp, so can anyone give me an some advantages and disadvantages Of this amp? :o
Would have helped if you ran it through his cab at one point. Or switched cabs. Or brought your own. 😂
How dare you use a boost pedal! 😂
Nioce broham
Could those transformers be any smaller? Low price point equals low grade internals. Look at the internals of a Peavey Windsor, it's horrifying. Plastic shaft pots, particle board headshell, small asian transformers, high tolerance, low temp electrical components (so the amp sound will range notably in different environmental conditions), etc. Any amp can sound decent for a few years, but the durability would absolutely pale in comparison to an early 5150. Low price point seems like a "deal", but durability costs.
P.s. when we gonna kick it and jam 😆 pandemic phhh let's get down YOU got the gear its a rescission share the baddass ness lmfao i wish i could spend a day or soo tryn yur favorite setups I'll bring my own 🎸
Much 💘 tho Kyle keep on jamming bro
pops
Long winded rambling is right!
grumpy and old is right!
Hey can you add the song ”Ramble On” by Zep? 🤣 haha
From all the videos I have seen I'm not a fan of this Amp. It seams people are really trying to tweak it to find a tone. Doesn't have that out of the box plug and play. I'm a huge fan of 5150's . But for a budget Amp this is what you get. To much high end sizzle for me. To each his own. Great video man.
Not enough mids for you huh???? shocking hahahaha
What the hell does in a band setting mean? I see you have a PA so why exactly would it not be able to hang in a band setting? Also, the objective is usually to keep the source as low as possible for clarity in a live mix.
Is it really that hard to figure out? Or are you just trying to be inflammatory
@@belligerentamateur I’m sorry I’m not trying to be rude. However,The premise is nonsensical.
@@Jbeland1 maybe in your mind, but I would say you're definitely in the vast minority
Different speakers don't make that big of a difference, unless you're comparing Rocket 50s to G12s or V30s lol.
couldn't be further from the truth.
Ok, I NEVER COMMENT BUT IT'S TIME... I am here bc it was linked to a friend mines video... LOUIS TORRES...
Like I tell Him, all you guys who use these amps and pedals for boost and color are trying to achieve something that is impossible in a Live setting...
If you got this far, I'll explain...
At the young age of 45, playing since I am about 15 at clubs like L'amours BROOKLYN, Limelight ect...
Just using at the time a MARK4 BOOGIE,I got what ppl called the best sound for recording but in a live setting using nothing but the amp or the amp with the amps EQ, that it's besides things like Delay ect...
You can't expect to get what you hear on a recording in a Live setting...
That's what i seem to hear when watching all these videos including my Friend...
For example, if you like Hetfields sound on And Justice...
You can't get that in a Live setting using boosts or pedals...
You can using a straight Boogie and the sound board doing the rest...
You are hearing an EQ'd, mixed and MASTERED sound...
You ppl seem to try and get it straight out thre amp which is IMPOSSIBLE...
A boost is for a lead or maybe slight boost for rythm...
But there is no reason to put a Boost on a Rec,or 5150 or pretty much anything in a HC, HEAVY setting bc you will be lost threw phase no matter what you do...
That is why yr other Guitar player is heard and you ate not, EQ on or off it just doesn't cut...
As far as the new 5150 goes im suite in the right hands dry it sounds great...
Just leave our alone, and use suttle changes along the way...
I'm not saying you used a boost bc I can only get threw the first 15sec,bc it sounds horrible...
I don't mean anything bad but you guys need to let the amps uppity all pay lots of money for fyi what they are meant to do...
Its like getting a haircut when y egg not a barber and telling them what to do... trust in Him to give toy a good haircut instead of what toy think might fit you but looks bad in the end, they know what they are doing...
Same as the amp, trust in it. Might take time, but it will sound good...
About a year ago at a live studio with my Friends band bc they needed a Guitar okay that can learn the stuff in a day.
I used an EVH for the first time, it was thre white one...
No boost, it's not my style but that being said, everyone thought it sounded good bc I backed away from what I would normally do, and let the amp do what it does best on its own.
What I can trek was, GAIN... so that's what I used it for...
This it's not Rocket Science, if they needed a boost, use what was given in the amp...
And all Dist pedals besides a few do thre same thing...
Peppers Tree, ect ect are shooo the same...
DS1, or the Green Tube Screamer for both under 200$ together its all you need. 1 it's gain, the other has color... done...
Trust me, try it... it works for the best out there for a reason...
Thank you for reading, our yr welcome which you will find out in time if you reading this give it a try...
Dude, I didn't read this nonsense. You have too much time on your hands.
First
May trade a gretsch for a 6505+ tomorrow and also buy one of these 5150 iconics. Lets hope both pull through.