Oops, forgot to mention Prunsel in the video, but that was also referenced! With the new Papyrus interview & summer newsletter, I couldn't resist making a video discussing the interview in-depth and breaking down the rest of the new information and updates, with references and explanations included. Captions will be added when I have time, as this is unscripted. Please consider supporting me on patreon: patreon.com/dorked I really need to boost my income, and it will help give me more time to polish my videos further. Full interview link: toby.fangamer.com/interviews/papyrus/ Otherworld Theory Playlist: ruclips.net/video/uyWHp7pAbsw/видео.html&pp=gAQBiAQB My recent Muffet video: ruclips.net/video/T3EoF0uaq4U/видео.html Other Undertale/Deltarune Analysis: ruclips.net/video/4VfHhBh1c8c/видео.html&pp=gAQBiAQB My Undertale AU webcomic, Inverted Fate: invertedfate.com/chapters Full Unused Ice Cream Scene: ruclips.net/video/phOsFLw4L88/видео.html Undertale 1st anniversary QnA: undertaleqa.tumblr.com/ Undertale Alarm Clock: undertale.com/alarmclock/ Grillby's Comic: toby.fangamer.com/comics/grillbys/ Chapters: 0:00 - Introduction 1:22 - Papyrus Interview Discussion & References 8:55 - Green Grass & the Otherworld Theory 11:36 - Full Newsletter Breakdown Start 12:32 - Deltarune Chapter 3 Update & Implications 14:42 - Unused Sans Ice Cream Scene 15:48 - Toby's Non-Undertale/Deltarune Work 18:41 - Closing Thoughts & Hopes for Future Newsletters 20:18 - Channel Update & Future Videos
If chapter 3 is going to be more focused on gameplay and fun shenanigans, I can kind of understand why Toby wants to release the three next chapters at once rather than individually. Maybe chapter 3 alone isn't that substancial
Maybe it'll be like Undertale's 4th chapter in a way. Important stuff happens but there's a lot of stuff that's just for fun & character development so & it's a slow burn to get to the important stuff that really necessitates the chapter's existence in the story. Edit: Oh, that was mentioned in the video.
Since so far Papyrus is a Shut-In in Deltarune, I think it would be funny if Papyrus not knowing what the sun looked like retroactively became a joke about him not going outside much pre-undertale assuming the bros being from Deltrarune world theory ends up being true.
I know it's been a while since you wrote the comment, but imagine he doesn't know what sun is not only because he didn't go out of the house at all, but also because he was in the 𝘥𝘢𝘳𝘬 most of the time, like yknow, 𝘥𝘢𝘳𝘬, I don't say Knight Papyrus theory, honestly I more prefer to think that Papyrus would just enter the dark world in his closet and have fun there hence he doesn't go out of the house at all (why closet? well, in Undertale he says that "There are no Skeletons in my closed! Except me sometimes") and also the fact that he never seen a human, mean that if they are from deltarune, then it means that Papyrus and Kris never met after all
This seems to indicate that papyrus also comes from deltarune, but likely he has amnesia (the memoryheads, dont forget, forgettable... is all connected!) and a theory that I have seen is that sans does not want him to remember his past because (if we follow the theory that papyrus is the knight) because of him the roar happened and almost caused the end of the world, so he doesn't want his brother to feel guilty about it. For me, it would be more interesting if Papyrus remembered tbh, since it would give more depth to his character when he says that everyone can change and be a better person. In addition to that dialogue in which he affirms that he can be a pretty brutal guy. Maybe he is faking that he doesnt remember in front of sans....? Also unrelated, but I love that Undyne wears a skirt in this one. Media tends to portray the stereotype that tough girls hate dresses and I dont like that trope at all xD
The amnesia theory is certainly possible! You bring up interesting points, like the memoryheads and the forgettable text. We'll just have to see where things go, but that's a really interesting interpretation. Agree w/ you with Undyne, too. Tough girls can totally rock masc and fem clothes. xD
i've been thinking along this track for a while now, too. you mostly summed up my thoughts on it, but i have a few other points of speculation: - i feel like knight!papyrus might wind up losing his memory due to a head injury. we see his head dust differently from his body in his death in undertale, so that might have been setup for a later plot point. we also do know that more serious injuries in the dark world can affect one's health in the light world, as we see with berdly's arm. - following this injury, i think it's likely that papyrus will be in the hospital for the rest of the game. the sink in the room rudy isn't in is a callback to papyrus's tall sink (in addition to being a nod to that one fantheory that sans and papyrus are pieces of gaster), so that might also be setup.
@@Dorked I think pulling off feminine clothing takes more skill, and has more pay off, I could put on a pair of ripped jeans, roll around in dirt, and shove myself into a hoodie from 8th grade, BAM acceptable masculine outfit. But a feminine one? As a man, my build I don't think could ever pull it off, I have no hip to work with for skirts, I IMAGINE that I MIGHT be able to force some top to work.. Maybe, but that'd take skill I just wont learn, time to go roll in dirt and shove on my 8 year old t shirt, I think I washed it last week.. Smells alright
My friend actually wrote the "Friend keeping something from you" question, and it is 100% coincidental but I love that it aligns with already existing themes presented in Undertale
About the arms and legs being black on Papyrus, I've honestly just been assuming that he wears a stretchy bodysuit underneath the armor of his battle body.
FINALLY, someone mentions Mettaton! I’ve been excited to see if they pop up, especially with all of the TV theme theories popping up. He wouldn’t be able to have the Mettaton NEO, most likely, because that’s pretty much where Spamton went. But I have all kind of cool doodles and theories on how Mettaton may actually be important in the upcoming chapters. Super excited!
@@avalanchetheicewing8153 he's already got dialog. if you go to napstablook's house in hometown and knock on the door you'll hear mettaton speak in both chapters. mad mew mew also has dialog there in chapter 2. the implication is that both of them are still ghosts right now and havent gotten their new bodies. i dont think mettaton will get his new body either because alphys isnt the royal scientist in this timeline, and since she has no reason to make a human fan club in deltarune, shes probably never even met mettaton. plus the dialog that swatch has after the spamton neo fight implies that mettaton had designed his robot body using ms paint but the dream never came true and was abandoned. however in chapter 2 mettaton does ask us to bring him something "tomorrow" so it seems like we'll get a bit more mettaton lore in chapter 3. i doubt it'll be super plot important tho
Surely papyrus remembers the Serif, the main sheriff of the world and good friend, and also don't forget Italic! The pizza loving Italian skeleton (he has been under arrest for suspected involvement in the mafia).
I like the toby in a massive steamroller about to run over the tv. ever since the sweepstakes it seems everyone wants (presumably) tenna to get crushed for his crimes and I think that’s hilarious
“And if you’re bored, you can sit outside and watch those wacky skeletons do their thing. There’s two of ‘em. Brothers, I think. They just showed up one day and… …asserted themselves. The town has gotten a lot more interesting since then.” -That one bunny shopkeeper
My theory is that Papyrus is unknowingly making a meta joke here, since in the Undertale kickstarter rewards video, Papyrus and Sans were in the Ruins, where the patch of green grass is, meaning that Papyrus's memory of being somewhere before Snowdin was just Papyrus's first official appearance in any Undertale media before the game came out.
Yeah, the meta angle is definitely a valid read, but the fact that the question was cut off so abruptly on top of the canon of him having only made the battle body recently does leave the otherworld theory open.
On the topic of Papyrus having trouble remembering his past. I saw on reddit or tumblr that *Sans* too might have some trouble too with memories. Mostly due to the fact of the picture with 3 badly drawn smiling peoples that say "Don't forget". While he definitly remember more than his younger brother, I think it be very interesting that, if the brother are indeed from Deltarune, the travel to Undertale world caused both of them to be affected by amnesia to various extent. Which could tie with Goner Kid and other Gaster-y elements.
@@gonerdenji another interesting thing is that ralsei doesn't get special dialogue and also never says that hes apart of the legend everyone just assumes he is
@@amagicalbeing7427 I think that's because he's both a Darkner of pure light, and the image that we see when Ralsei is telling us about the Tale of the Delta Rune looks like his cloaked self.
About the fact that Papyrus doesn’t recognise a human, I would like to mention that it’s entirely possible that he just really hasnt met a human; the only human in deltarune is Kris after all, when we DO finally meet Papyrus in deltarune, I could easily see them doing a joke where Papyrus doesn’t realise that Kris is a human because he’s only ever met monsters. I suppose we’ll just have to wait until chapter 3 to find out.
I can see that. It can even function as a callback to Undertale when he didn't realise Frisk was a human and instead thought the rock behind them was the human.
On chapter 3 not being story heavy, I feel like its worth considering that chapters 3-5 are being released at the same time. So one of those chapters being a breather with character shenanigans makes a lot of sense.
I Have a theory, I think moving between the worlds causes both of them to loose their memories in a weird way. Papyrus hesitates a ton before mentioning the green grass, and doesn't remember the sun, I have noticed that he mentions the sun in another line of dialogue which is strange. Sans remembers because he has the pictures with "DOn't forget". This fits with the don't forget song. "There's a light inside your soul thats still shining in the cold" - SNowdin. "With the truth, the promise in our hearts, don't forget, i'm with you in the dark". Where would a dark place be? Probably underground. So if they were moving dimensions and forgetting on the way to a cold dark underground place, it would make sense. Idk about sans. He might not want papyrus to remember, theres no way he just coincidentally decided to stop right at the wrong time, and if he wanted papyrus to remember he wouldn't interrupt. I think sans might be hiding the truth from papyrus. He could also not remember toriel fully because of the transfer (He wouldn't have a picture of her with him). Just some random ideas relating to the newsletter.
Yeah, I believe I did touch upon the possibility of amnesia in one of my videos, but if that is the angle Toby is going for, I'm curious how he plans to handle it. The direct ties between UT/DR that would come from this would have fascinating implications, too.
@@Dorked I mean, some files seem somewhat cannon, so it could be something to do with incompatibility issues? Like trying to access non-existant areas. Idk though. It could just be a consequence of multiversal travel or something.
Addition to your notes on Sans' cleanliness, or lack thereof: Papyrus claims he emits slime. That skeleton is noooooot clean. ...Also I forgot that Papyrus has an actual cannon. Initially I thought all of Sans' Gaster Blasters were actually borrowed from Papyrus, which has some VERY exciting implications for my favorite theory, that Papyrus is Gaster, in this essay I will--
@@Dorked Yesterday I just figured out my grand timeline for 'how do I make Papyrus Is Gaster and Papyrus Is The Knight (but Gaster is not the Knight) theory coexist'. It's. Complex and I've probably terribly confused everyone who isn't me with it? XD I feel like it's there's potential and I'd love for it to be accurate, but I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if it turned out to be completely wrong either. Also Underline was such a good comic. I think it was my favorite interpretation of Chara. One of the very few AUs where they aren't a saint or a demon, just. Some kid. A kid who could have been literally anyone, which makes sense with how we're supposed to mistake them for us initially.
@@Halberds8122 I'm pretty sure in some text boxes papyrus sweats, like I remember that vividly, idk if it's true but you should go check all of papyrus dialogue.
wait its never crossed my mind that the question about a friend keeping something from papyrus might be referring to papryus's "training"... thats an interesting thought!
I agree with you that chapter 3 is like Hotland In waterfall, you are told all about the war and the deltarune, and while you learn a few things in Hotland you don't learn as much about lore as in Waterfall *You learn more about characters*
Not sure if you ever seen the Undertale Bits and Pieces mod, but it actually adds in some cut content. They put the Sans eating ice cream scene while Papyrus is talking and Frisk is behind the conveniently shaped lamp instead of it just being for speed runners.
I really liked the Papyrus interview we got, people asked a lot of interesting questions. The last question was definitely the most intriguing, with how it cut off so abruptly... I personally didn't make the connection between the question and the Kickstarter video, my brain just went to the "Sans and Papyrus might be from Deltarune" theory... I don't know what this question might be referring to, but it's very interesting, for sure. In general, this newsletter was great. I liked the sprites in it a lot... and yeah, as you said in the video, Mad Mew Mew's inclusion in a lot of this extra material is awesome. She deserves more recognition, as the conclusion to Mad Dummy's story. Anyways, great video- out of all the things you're currently working on, I'm especially excited for the video about the Neutral route NPC dialogue, as I find the neutral routes really intriguing as a whole, and would really like the content in them to be brought up more by the community.
@@Dorked Honestly I was hoping you'd cover the newsletter since you've made the videos about the Sans and Papyrus are from Deltarune theory, so I was interested to know your thoughts on what the last question could mean... but the neutral route dialogue is definitely a very interesting topic that I'm extremely excited for you to cover. It's gonna be really good for sure.
I'm glad you talked about the rest of the interview (and newsletter) and not just the mysterious green grassᵗᵐ because I love the skelebros dynamic but it got a bit overshadowed by the last question lol. Anyways the last question might be a reference to the kickstarter but that feels weird like it's got a different tone from the rest of the interview which is more comedic idk.
The one thing with the Sans coming from Deltarune thing I don't get is how he managed to get his whole Judge role and connections in Undertale if he just appeared one day in Snowdin. His connections to Alphys and probably Asgore as well as his general understanding of the 'rules' for lack of a better term as seen in Judgement Hall, especially on a No Mercy route are a lot to establish in the relatively short time (i.e. monster's living memory) that he would have been in the Underground.
See, I don't think Sans is a formal judge. Like I don't think that's his job. He clearly knows most people in the underground, but most of his jobs are things like being a comedian, a sentry, etc. Sans knows a lot, but he also clearly has a history in the sciences.
@@Dorked yeah I can see that with the judge thing but even so it's still a lot to do especially as Snowdin is one of the more isolated locations in the Underground.
Maybe he’s self appointed, like nobody knows he’s over there except you, because he made it his job to judge _you_ specifically. He’s a judge to no one else. Maybe out of a combination of his original job he was supposedly keen on in killing you, and also from the promise he made to Toriel, being more like “Let’s see how it goes”. He’s doing the job specifically for you, because he doesn’t need to do it for anyone else. Who else is he even gonna judge? Flowey? He’ll probably attack and kill Flowey outright, he never made a promise to look after Flowey. No he promised to watch out for the human, and so he’s kinda gambling on you and the promise, and he made what was once just, The Hall, into The Judgement Hall, because that’s where _he_ is going to judge _you,_ and see if he made the right bet on promising not to hurt you. You notice he never actually protects you, because he doesn’t need to, he knows you’ll always come back, (🟣🧍♂️jumpscare) he just usually steps in and tells you off when you do something off. His promise was basically “I won’t try to stop them. I’ll just see where it goes” and only in the most extreme circumstances will he break that promise. He puts himself at The Judgement Hall, because that is right before the end, when he’s already seen everything you’ve done, and chooses to judge you, judge if he would be justified in breaking the promise here, because that’s right up to all he’ll let happen because of that promise. So either it’ll all work out, before why not, it just might, or it’s to hell with that promise, the promise that let the worst case scenario happen, and to hell with you.
There's a fascinating aspect of this "Chapter 3 will be less plot-heavy" concept, because a theory of mine actually predicts this should be the case. So that's pretty fun. It goes like this: Ralsei claims that Darkners are influenced by the "Will of their Fountain". And I daresay it's fair to assume that this translates to "The will of the person who created that fountain, when they made it". Which means we should see signs that the Darkners within are influenced by the Knight. And we DO. Specifically, the leaders of both the Ch 1 and 2 fountains, King and Queen, are said to have changed suddenly when the fountain opened, and they both talk at length about their approval of the Knight. If this pattern continues, the leader of this new fountain should likewise have their will suddenly changed to match the will of the person who created the fountain...which is Kris. (And if the "Jevil predicted Queen" pattern holds, this person will be Tenna, the television set that controls all the shows within the TV dark world, including canceling Spamton's commericals.) From all this, we have the perfect setup to answer the age-old question: Is Kris the Knight? We can answer this by asking "Is Tenna's change consistent with King's and Queen's changes?" If yes, suddenly the finger is pointed straight at Kris. And if not, they're borderline exonerated, and we can get a look at what their goal in opening this fountain was by what Tenna suddenly wants to do. By this logic we see that the idea of chapter 3 being less plot-heavy ALREADY points towards a non-Knight Kris, since the plot is driven by the Knight's fountains. But until I've seen the game, I won't go assuming we've already resolved the issue. We haven't. Note that this approach isn't absolute or foolproof by any means. A non-Knight Kris might intentionally make the fountain look like the Knight's fountains so that they have a proper villain to fight, if their motivation is "keep having fun in the Dark Worlds". And a Knight Kris might be well aware that the SOUL, us the player, knows they made this one, and as such would intentionally make it different to throw us off the trail. These options _do_ exist, but I'd still say each outcome supports their respective conclusions by a fairly large amount. Just not 100%.
this is the biggest lore drop ever because it confirms that toby fox remembers papyruss cool song pleas toby release the song officially i beg i love cuicas
If it does end up that Undertale Papyrus is the same as Deltarune Papyrus, that brings up so many questions. Mainly on how Papyrus has managed to keep that a secret from everyone. Especially with Flowey. I can't imagine Papyrus keeping anything from Flowey. He's willing to arrange the Pacifist ending rendezvous at his request, he considers Flowey to be one of his best friends. Of course if he somehow doesn't remember Deltarune that just brings up further questions
The thing about the question about keeping things from papyrus, when he says “Keeping… something… from me?” He’s sweating. I think he understands the question just fine… what I don’t know is, does he very deliberately seek out an alternate meaning and then answer that instead, or does he come up with it and immediately seize upon it as an explanation, convincing himself that *of course* they didn’t mean it the other way? (The difference being the degree of self-deception.)
Honestly, the Papyrus interview was a fun time in general; being one of my favorite UNDERTALE characters, how could I not enjoy it? The possible lore implications are just the icing on the cake here.
The more we progress, the closer we get to The Deltarune Skelebrothers Skeleshow propaganda. Also I didn't even notice the training with the battle body thingy,wonder if it's an actual thing going for Paps or if it's just a silly little reference.
@@kau_for_thee_8567 I show it in the video briefly! In the Sans casino dialogue, he mentions Papyrus' beautification process and how he has a hyperbolic cucumber chamber, a reference to the hyperbolic time chamber.
@@Dorked Oh ok, didn't got into that part of the video yet. Toby is possibly building Paps as a menace,yet we can't even be sure if he's serious or not.
I wonder if the reason Sans wrote "Don't forget." is because he knows time shenanigans can lead to memory loss & the reason he helped you find it is so you can remember it for him if you reset too far since he's not sure what you're doing or why. For some reason, I always did think of that bird at Grillby's as female. Maybe just something about how she talks? I don't know.
this kind of stuff from toby make me feel more and more that papyrus and friends are real people they feel that way to me, i guess i dont know how to describe it
13:40 A good example might be that episode of Helluva Boss that was recently released, S1E8. The creator said almost the exact same thing when she ended up having to skip it and release S2E1 months ago, that it was mostly about the spectacle and light on plot elements. What ended up being in the episode was some fantastic context for recent events, a spotlight for a character that needed some love, and a few bits and pieces of the broader world’s lore and rules added in. I think that’s a good baseline for how much we can expect. 3 will probably be the chapter where we dive into Kris’ character and past while avoiding the big questions surrounding them.
i know you might not see this,but i love watching your videos! they inspire me to talk about my theories and ideas with the deltarune/undertale community!
13:50 As if my theory on televised programs being the connection between Hotland and Chapter 3 wasn't strong enough for my Mirrored Journey Theory. I wouldn't expect *no* lore though - Remember, The start of Hotland is the general area of the true lab, and that would mean we'll have probably get a bigger picture on what the goal of gathering the shadow crystals is for. It'd line up with the shadow mantle being necessary to stand a chance against the next optional boss as said by Seam - The amalgams perpetually kept alive through determination, so what would be the Deltarune equivalent to burning determination? Naturally, we look to the source of saving in the two worlds - Blinding light. Only question is, what could Mike be that shines like a light and can be blocked out by a small black pocket cloth?
@superlagbro192 A interesting idea if Noelle was in Chapter 3. 2 problems with that: 1) I find it hard to believe a solid box would become a mantle, which is a type of long cloak. 2) Because Noelle isn't part of Chapter 3, I find it hard to believe Toby would design a boss after the very weapon type Noelle uses, since that kind of similarity could be better used to enhance a narrative connection between Noelle and a wedding ring darkner.
@@drakath5727 While Noelle is associated with rings, it would be odd for one character to have a monopoly on that imagery, especially when the thorn ring is originally from Spamton. The wedding imagery would more likely be for Toriel and Asgore since their separation is such a big mystery and could be related to Noelle's sister going missing. Plus their separation affected the family to the point that some people theorise Kris opened a fountain just to force character development for Toriel and to hopefully repair Kris' relationship with her. Thus it would work great for ch3 to have a wedding ring representing the unresolved trauma of the divorce that Toriel has to look past in order to see the family right in front of her
Counter argement against sans smelling like sweat: Monsters are only shown to sweat when under physical stress, Sans never stresses and is generally lazy Therefore he does not smell like sweat Would've said skeletons cant sweat but sans does so in his fight
The Sans ice cream scene reminds me of [Small spoiler for The Stanley Parable] when in The Stanley Parable, if you enter the super secret code in the boss's office before The Narrator finishes telling you what it is, he plays music for a minute before opening the hidden door.
7:09 I like comparing Sans less so to Ford Pines from Gravity Falls and more like Stan Pines Mostly a stinky goofball played off as comedy relief who has a darker side that’s sometimes shown, but never overshadows the goofball part
19:39 Wait, people thought that bird was a guy?? I always thought that was a lady, she just gave off "gossiping old woman" vibes to me, I never saw her as anything else
I think there's this tendency for people to assume male is the default on a character unless the gender is otherwise revealed, but gossiping old lady is a fun archetype anyway.
@@Dorked that's fair, I used to have the tendancy to do the opposite actually, I'd tend to think gender neutral were female unless stated otherwise. I was honestly just surprised to hear people thought she was a guy, but I guess that's coz she's not a main or super memorable side character, so I've just never seen her discussed at all in the small fan spaces I've dipped into. At least with the new info Toby has released on her character and the others people have more to work with now if they want, so that's nice
Im sad toby didn't answer any questions about paps car, I remember asking what his favorite car is cause a) thought it'd be cute, and b) wanted to know if he would answer cungadero
Wow this is sooo wholesome. Also with flowey knowing Papyrus's favorite food, it's sweet. Maybe Flowey has no love, but he still cared about Papyrus and had a soft spot for him, even though he wasn't always great with him.
I'm sure they came from another world, but probably not deltarune's world. Sans winks at Kris when he says he never met them in his life, implying he's at least still aware of the resets in this world and at most, is aware of the player and that they've met in another timeline
tbh, it would make sense if toby had the idea to do the Q&A specifically to foreshadow and tease chapter 3, knowing that someone would DEFINITELY ask the snowdin question. and then leaving the question unanswered to tease us and plant that mystery in our minds. pretty genius imo. I think this is definitely gonna be a plot point in the next deltarune chapter 👀
i do wanna mention that just because chapter 3 is only just finishing up doesnt mean that the other chapters still have a really long way to go or anything, right? like, if they're working on the chapters in tandem, there's probably a decent chunk of ch.4/5 mostly done. i think this fall probably is a bit too optimistic with the info that they're only just finishing ch.3, but it might not take another whole year and a half or anything.
I'm glad you make these videos, because despite being signed up to the truck freak tier of the newsletter I never receive any of the newsletter emails. no idea why
14:15 I've come to theorize that Kris is only opening the fountain because it made the others happy, as stated after the queen fight, despite the warnings. It wouldn't be the first time kris acted on their own for that purpose.
im still kind of convinced sans and papyrus are literally from the universe of the comic helvetica given they were clearly originally envisioned as joke characters to poke fun at toby’s friend’s comic
Hm, how very interesting, i wonder what we’ll get next, actually when do you think we get something next? Anyway, I really appreciate this Video and look forward to see any new Videos from you Undertale/Deltarune or otherwise.
if sans and papyrus came from deltarune, and if sans said that papyrus never saw a human before in undertale, that unfortunately means we wont see the cool dude himself in deltarune :(
That, or it's just an excuse since a human hasn't fallen in a while. It really depends, because I can see the bros feigning ignorance to "fit in," tho some also suspect amnesia Papyrus.
Welp, if we never meet Papyrus in Deltarune, he will have never seen a human... Also, with the Mew Mew sprites and in game dialogue, I'm assuming in Deltrarune Maddy (Mad dummy) is the one that got help from Alphys and recieved a corpeal Doll forme. Poor Mettaton though... I hope we can somehow help, maybe through dark world shenanagans. I agree with the collabs! It's sooooo cool watching Toby still grow as an creator and person! He already seems on top of his craft, but he still manages to hold himself to a higher bar and strive for higher yet and it is a HUGE inspiration to me.
Did we ever Inspect Element the newsletter at all? We gotta be like the FNAF fandom, gotta check everything. URLS, Image names, Raising contrast and brightness, dont leave anything unchecked.
6:05 Kiwi is tart like pineapple, so yeah it works probably. Also corn works really well as a nice starchy topping, but mayonnaise I don’t get & mixing kiwi & Mayo just sounds gross to me.
Honestly, I headcanon Papyrus as an autistic skeleton as I personally relate to him with all of those quirkyness he has haha! (Im autistic myself by the way, if you couldnt tell-)
I found smth interesting don't know if it's old info but in the papyrus date in Undertale if you interact with his bed he mentions his dream where he drives his race car bed down a highway wind is flowing and the sun is on his skin. But in the pacifist ending he doesn't know what the sun is he even asks sans. Maybe something toby didint notice when making the game or it's something deeper.
16:00 I didn't know this happened usually with other people as well :') I may don't post music quite often, and I'm not a professional. However, with my current experience, I can say that it is difficult to understand many factors that *must* fit in a certain scene while trying to make it sound good. Which genre? What tempo? Which Leitmotifs? What chord progression? It's a bit overwhelming when you learn on your own, but not impossible. Cheers to all the people who learn on their own and learn from their mistakes!
I've always thought that the final question meant that Papyrus & Sans used to live on the surface when they were very young and that's why Papyrus doesn't remember the sun or know what humans look like. I've starting leaning towards the "Sans & Papyrus from Deltarune" theory because of the shopkeepers dialogue but that could also mean that they just suddenly moved in one day.
I've been thinking, if Papyrus and Sans in Undertale really did come from Deltarune's world doesn't that mean Deltarune lightners are also capable of using magic since you see Sans and Papyrus use magic in the Undertale world?
Well for last year's Let Papyrus Say Fuck Day event I made an additional campaign to bring back the discontinued Cool Dude shirt which worked and the new version of the shirt has a secret Papyrus on the inside that is saying "FUNK!" and since Toby works very closely with the people at fangamer, I think there's a possibility. Also I saw several people say they asked if he swears. XD The truth is out there.
Oops, forgot to mention Prunsel in the video, but that was also referenced! With the new Papyrus interview & summer newsletter, I couldn't resist making a video discussing the interview in-depth and breaking down the rest of the new information and updates, with references and explanations included. Captions will be added when I have time, as this is unscripted. Please consider supporting me on patreon: patreon.com/dorked I really need to boost my income, and it will help give me more time to polish my videos further. Full interview link: toby.fangamer.com/interviews/papyrus/
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My recent Muffet video: ruclips.net/video/T3EoF0uaq4U/видео.html
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My Undertale AU webcomic, Inverted Fate: invertedfate.com/chapters
Full Unused Ice Cream Scene: ruclips.net/video/phOsFLw4L88/видео.html
Undertale 1st anniversary QnA: undertaleqa.tumblr.com/
Undertale Alarm Clock: undertale.com/alarmclock/
Grillby's Comic: toby.fangamer.com/comics/grillbys/
Chapters:
0:00 - Introduction
1:22 - Papyrus Interview Discussion & References
8:55 - Green Grass & the Otherworld Theory
11:36 - Full Newsletter Breakdown Start
12:32 - Deltarune Chapter 3 Update & Implications
14:42 - Unused Sans Ice Cream Scene
15:48 - Toby's Non-Undertale/Deltarune Work
18:41 - Closing Thoughts & Hopes for Future Newsletters
20:18 - Channel Update & Future Videos
Wait where was the prunsel reference
Yeah where was the Prunsel reference??
@@sander303 In my defense, it was a long editing session. xD;
@@Dorked I think they're not asking why you didn't mention the Prunsel reference in the video, but where the reference itself is in the newsletter.
@@Plzinsertnameplzn the papyrus q&a there’s a question and the person who asked it has their name as prunsel clone
My guy really dropped the fact they're dimension travelers and then went to take a bath.
I think that's the most Toby way to hint at deep lore. Start to tease it and then SURPRISE. Shower time.
@@DorkedMaybe the foam shower was secretly a dark lore drop
@@TJ-hg6opthat's probably how Papyrus showers. Covered in foam, standing in the bathtub, spilling water everywhere.
He's gotta wash his hair real good. Yknow so he can style it
I mean, you can’t travel dimensions dirty
If chapter 3 is going to be more focused on gameplay and fun shenanigans, I can kind of understand why Toby wants to release the three next chapters at once rather than individually. Maybe chapter 3 alone isn't that substancial
Yeah, it's too early to say, but I think he really wants the next release to be worth the wait, and I think that's really respectable.
i agree with galxie's take: toby is simply lying
Maybe it'll be like Undertale's 4th chapter in a way. Important stuff happens but there's a lot of stuff that's just for fun & character development so & it's a slow burn to get to the important stuff that really necessitates the chapter's existence in the story.
Edit: Oh, that was mentioned in the video.
Nah, I don't think he's lying. Toby already said the next update won't be free, so he wants the new content to be worth the price.
I don't think he's lying but idk about Chapter 3 not having much story when it's the chapter where Kris creates a fountain.
Since so far Papyrus is a Shut-In in Deltarune, I think it would be funny if Papyrus not knowing what the sun looked like retroactively became a joke about him not going outside much pre-undertale assuming the bros being from Deltrarune world theory ends up being true.
The grilbys building is obviously from Undertale so who knows
I know it's been a while since you wrote the comment, but imagine he doesn't know what sun is not only because he didn't go out of the house at all, but also because he was in the 𝘥𝘢𝘳𝘬 most of the time, like yknow, 𝘥𝘢𝘳𝘬, I don't say Knight Papyrus theory, honestly I more prefer to think that Papyrus would just enter the dark world in his closet and have fun there hence he doesn't go out of the house at all (why closet? well, in Undertale he says that "There are no Skeletons in my closed! Except me sometimes")
and also the fact that he never seen a human, mean that if they are from deltarune, then it means that Papyrus and Kris never met after all
This seems to indicate that papyrus also comes from deltarune, but likely he has amnesia (the memoryheads, dont forget, forgettable... is all connected!) and a theory that I have seen is that sans does not want him to remember his past because (if we follow the theory that papyrus is the knight) because of him the roar happened and almost caused the end of the world, so he doesn't want his brother to feel guilty about it. For me, it would be more interesting if Papyrus remembered tbh, since it would give more depth to his character when he says that everyone can change and be a better person. In addition to that dialogue in which he affirms that he can be a pretty brutal guy. Maybe he is faking that he doesnt remember in front of sans....?
Also unrelated, but I love that Undyne wears a skirt in this one. Media tends to portray the stereotype that tough girls hate dresses and I dont like that trope at all xD
The amnesia theory is certainly possible! You bring up interesting points, like the memoryheads and the forgettable text. We'll just have to see where things go, but that's a really interesting interpretation. Agree w/ you with Undyne, too. Tough girls can totally rock masc and fem clothes. xD
i've been thinking along this track for a while now, too. you mostly summed up my thoughts on it, but i have a few other points of speculation:
- i feel like knight!papyrus might wind up losing his memory due to a head injury. we see his head dust differently from his body in his death in undertale, so that might have been setup for a later plot point. we also do know that more serious injuries in the dark world can affect one's health in the light world, as we see with berdly's arm.
- following this injury, i think it's likely that papyrus will be in the hospital for the rest of the game. the sink in the room rudy isn't in is a callback to papyrus's tall sink (in addition to being a nod to that one fantheory that sans and papyrus are pieces of gaster), so that might also be setup.
He might've just never left the house lol
@@Dorked I think pulling off feminine clothing takes more skill, and has more pay off, I could put on a pair of ripped jeans, roll around in dirt, and shove myself into a hoodie from 8th grade, BAM acceptable masculine outfit.
But a feminine one? As a man, my build I don't think could ever pull it off, I have no hip to work with for skirts, I IMAGINE that I MIGHT be able to force some top to work.. Maybe, but that'd take skill I just wont learn, time to go roll in dirt and shove on my 8 year old t shirt, I think I washed it last week.. Smells alright
It works well with the theory that papyrus is much stronger than he seems
My friend actually wrote the "Friend keeping something from you" question, and it is 100% coincidental but I love that it aligns with already existing themes presented in Undertale
Oh, that's awesome that your friend was featured! :O
About the arms and legs being black on Papyrus, I've honestly just been assuming that he wears a stretchy bodysuit underneath the armor of his battle body.
Yeah, that's my preferred interpretation, too.
same
I hope Mad Mew Mew and Mettaton get some spotlight in Deltarune, especially with how different their circumstances are in that game
If they were to have a dark World outfit it might be the body they want or mâke their ghostly forme Closer to their body
@@fernoagent8581 That actually sounds plausible and like a really good way to show them getting their new bodies!
@@fernoagent8581 we already saw mettaton's body in deltarune. its the robot we put spamton into
FINALLY, someone mentions Mettaton! I’ve been excited to see if they pop up, especially with all of the TV theme theories popping up. He wouldn’t be able to have the Mettaton NEO, most likely, because that’s pretty much where Spamton went. But I have all kind of cool doodles and theories on how Mettaton may actually be important in the upcoming chapters. Super excited!
@@avalanchetheicewing8153 he's already got dialog. if you go to napstablook's house in hometown and knock on the door you'll hear mettaton speak in both chapters. mad mew mew also has dialog there in chapter 2. the implication is that both of them are still ghosts right now and havent gotten their new bodies. i dont think mettaton will get his new body either because alphys isnt the royal scientist in this timeline, and since she has no reason to make a human fan club in deltarune, shes probably never even met mettaton. plus the dialog that swatch has after the spamton neo fight implies that mettaton had designed his robot body using ms paint but the dream never came true and was abandoned. however in chapter 2 mettaton does ask us to bring him something "tomorrow" so it seems like we'll get a bit more mettaton lore in chapter 3. i doubt it'll be super plot important tho
sans and Papyrus obviously come from the grass world in which all the other skeletons live, where they farm grass and create fonts out of it.
Surely papyrus remembers the Serif, the main sheriff of the world and good friend, and also don't forget Italic! The pizza loving Italian skeleton (he has been under arrest for suspected involvement in the mafia).
@@CalvinNoire or W.D Faster, who speaks in webdings
@@charcoaleater343There's also Wing Gaster, the royal scientist!
I like the toby in a massive steamroller about to run over the tv. ever since the sweepstakes it seems everyone wants (presumably) tenna to get crushed for his crimes and I think that’s hilarious
Tenna must fear the wrath of funny dog indie dev and musician.
We don't even know who Tenna is yet and we all want him dead.
subliminal spamton "Kill Your TV" propaganda is working
“And if you’re bored, you can sit outside and watch those wacky skeletons do their thing. There’s two of ‘em.
Brothers, I think. They just showed up one day and…
…asserted themselves.
The town has gotten a lot more interesting since then.”
-That one bunny shopkeeper
I hold that animation close to my heart.
My theory is that Papyrus is unknowingly making a meta joke here, since in the Undertale kickstarter rewards video, Papyrus and Sans were in the Ruins, where the patch of green grass is, meaning that Papyrus's memory of being somewhere before Snowdin was just Papyrus's first official appearance in any Undertale media before the game came out.
Yeah, the meta angle is definitely a valid read, but the fact that the question was cut off so abruptly on top of the canon of him having only made the battle body recently does leave the otherworld theory open.
The thing is that the Kickstarter is said to be non-canon...But we also don't know if the Interview itself is canon, either.
@@samgeorge1452apyrus's cool song is mentioned in this same interview though
@@GoogleAccount-ox6em ok here's my opinion: kickstarter isn't canon, but papyrus's cool song is a canon song by papyrus
@@ssupermarlo so now we need to figure out whats canon and what not? Thats not fnaf book series
On the topic of Papyrus having trouble remembering his past. I saw on reddit or tumblr that *Sans* too might have some trouble too with memories. Mostly due to the fact of the picture with 3 badly drawn smiling peoples that say "Don't forget". While he definitly remember more than his younger brother, I think it be very interesting that, if the brother are indeed from Deltarune, the travel to Undertale world caused both of them to be affected by amnesia to various extent. Which could tie with Goner Kid and other Gaster-y elements.
I actually am of the mind the drawing is a reference to the fun gang, funnily, since it only appears after you get the Clamgirl dialogue about Suzy.
@@DorkedConsidering that Noelle is a main character according to Toby, couldn't the three people be Kris, Susie and Noelle?
@@gonerdenji another interesting thing is that ralsei doesn't get special dialogue and also never says that hes apart of the legend everyone just assumes he is
@@amagicalbeing7427Lancer Is The Prince From The Dark Gang Unite.
@@amagicalbeing7427 I think that's because he's both a Darkner of pure light, and the image that we see when Ralsei is telling us about the Tale of the Delta Rune looks like his cloaked self.
About the fact that Papyrus doesn’t recognise a human, I would like to mention that it’s entirely possible that he just really hasnt met a human; the only human in deltarune is Kris after all, when we DO finally meet Papyrus in deltarune, I could easily see them doing a joke where Papyrus doesn’t realise that Kris is a human because he’s only ever met monsters. I suppose we’ll just have to wait until chapter 3 to find out.
I can see that. It can even function as a callback to Undertale when he didn't realise Frisk was a human and instead thought the rock behind them was the human.
Undertale theorists when their question gets it ignored :
"Grrr,how did he dare to ignore my lore revealing question!"
Tbh, I think Toby was right to just go for what seemed fun. He got tens of thousands of submissions. xD
@@Dorked I wonder if he actually read all of them tho
I just wrote GASTER!!!!! in all caps
"papyrus could you please gain obnisience and give me all the ansers of deltarune"
@@amagicalbeing7427 i asked him if he knew the man that speaks in hands
On chapter 3 not being story heavy, I feel like its worth considering that chapters 3-5 are being released at the same time. So one of those chapters being a breather with character shenanigans makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, light on plot doesn't mean no plot. It could just be more character and comedy focused.
@@Dorkedyeah it's important to note he said "not *too much* plot heavy" implying that there's still gonna be a fair amount of plot
@@slimyduck2140calling it right now the light plot is involving the secret bosses
I Have a theory, I think moving between the worlds causes both of them to loose their memories in a weird way. Papyrus hesitates a ton before mentioning the green grass, and doesn't remember the sun, I have noticed that he mentions the sun in another line of dialogue which is strange. Sans remembers because he has the pictures with "DOn't forget". This fits with the don't forget song. "There's a light inside your soul thats still shining in the cold" - SNowdin. "With the truth, the promise in our hearts, don't forget, i'm with you in the dark". Where would a dark place be? Probably underground. So if they were moving dimensions and forgetting on the way to a cold dark underground place, it would make sense.
Idk about sans. He might not want papyrus to remember, theres no way he just coincidentally decided to stop right at the wrong time, and if he wanted papyrus to remember he wouldn't interrupt. I think sans might be hiding the truth from papyrus. He could also not remember toriel fully because of the transfer (He wouldn't have a picture of her with him).
Just some random ideas relating to the newsletter.
Yeah, I believe I did touch upon the possibility of amnesia in one of my videos, but if that is the angle Toby is going for, I'm curious how he plans to handle it. The direct ties between UT/DR that would come from this would have fascinating implications, too.
@@Dorked I mean, some files seem somewhat cannon, so it could be something to do with incompatibility issues? Like trying to access non-existant areas.
Idk though. It could just be a consequence of multiversal travel or something.
Addition to your notes on Sans' cleanliness, or lack thereof: Papyrus claims he emits slime. That skeleton is noooooot clean.
...Also I forgot that Papyrus has an actual cannon. Initially I thought all of Sans' Gaster Blasters were actually borrowed from Papyrus, which has some VERY exciting implications for my favorite theory, that Papyrus is Gaster, in this essay I will--
Gaster Papyrus theory is an interesting one! I've seen it a few times in places like Underline and in at least one other comic.
@@Dorked Yesterday I just figured out my grand timeline for 'how do I make Papyrus Is Gaster and Papyrus Is The Knight (but Gaster is not the Knight) theory coexist'. It's. Complex and I've probably terribly confused everyone who isn't me with it? XD I feel like it's there's potential and I'd love for it to be accurate, but I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if it turned out to be completely wrong either.
Also Underline was such a good comic. I think it was my favorite interpretation of Chara. One of the very few AUs where they aren't a saint or a demon, just. Some kid. A kid who could have been literally anyone, which makes sense with how we're supposed to mistake them for us initially.
His cannon is probably a reference to the one that shows up on the Bridge before Snowdin Town.
@@Dorked Perhaps sans sweats and Papyrus doesn't.
@@Halberds8122 I'm pretty sure in some text boxes papyrus sweats, like I remember that vividly, idk if it's true but you should go check all of papyrus dialogue.
I could listen to Dorked talk about their blorbo for days at a time
I have many blorbos. Papyrus is but one of them. Clearly I should tap into all the blorbos. SatAM Sonic, Ringabel, Goro Akechi... there are many.
👀 at the prospect of a SatAM vid!!!
wait its never crossed my mind that the question about a friend keeping something from papyrus might be referring to papryus's "training"... thats an interesting thought!
Yeah, the reason I think it might be possible is my video on the topic came out a few weeks before the Q&A submissions and got a lot of viewership. xD
Imagine Papyrus's Bones Dont do 1 damage because he drinks milk which has a lot of calcium which he says makes his bones stronger
I agree with you that chapter 3 is like Hotland
In waterfall, you are told all about the war and the deltarune, and while you learn a few things in Hotland you don't learn as much about lore as in Waterfall
*You learn more about characters*
Yeah, that's 100% what I'm expecting to happen. It could even have more plot stuff near the end while the bulk of it is fun character beats.
Not sure if you ever seen the Undertale Bits and Pieces mod, but it actually adds in some cut content. They put the Sans eating ice cream scene while Papyrus is talking and Frisk is behind the conveniently shaped lamp instead of it just being for speed runners.
Oh yeah, I know of BnP, but I didn't realize they used that animation there. Fancy!
I really liked the Papyrus interview we got, people asked a lot of interesting questions.
The last question was definitely the most intriguing, with how it cut off so abruptly...
I personally didn't make the connection between the question and the Kickstarter video, my brain just went to the "Sans and Papyrus might be from Deltarune" theory... I don't know what this question might be referring to, but it's very interesting, for sure.
In general, this newsletter was great. I liked the sprites in it a lot... and yeah, as you said in the video, Mad Mew Mew's inclusion in a lot of this extra material is awesome. She deserves more recognition, as the conclusion to Mad Dummy's story.
Anyways, great video- out of all the things you're currently working on, I'm especially excited for the video about the Neutral route NPC dialogue, as I find the neutral routes really intriguing as a whole, and would really like the content in them to be brought up more by the community.
Yeah, the neutral route dialogue video is a fun topic! I just kinda swerved and wanted to get this covered while it was still fresh. xD
@@Dorked Honestly I was hoping you'd cover the newsletter since you've made the videos about the Sans and Papyrus are from Deltarune theory, so I was interested to know your thoughts on what the last question could mean... but the neutral route dialogue is definitely a very interesting topic that I'm extremely excited for you to cover. It's gonna be really good for sure.
Uncle Aaron does have hair, even if its only on his face he still has more hair then Papyrus
Fair point! Facial hair DOES count. Well played.
Bro I thought you were talking about aaron the sea horse💀
I'm glad you talked about the rest of the interview (and newsletter) and not just the mysterious green grassᵗᵐ because I love the skelebros dynamic but it got a bit overshadowed by the last question lol.
Anyways the last question might be a reference to the kickstarter but that feels weird like it's got a different tone from the rest of the interview which is more comedic idk.
Yeah, that's the main reason I don't personally buy it just being a kickstarter meta nod. It feels way too conspicuous.
So Papyrus has new talking sprites, I wonder if those were made just for the newsletter or for when he appears in Deltarune?
Anyone else see the chair Undyne is sitting looks like the Spamton Sweepstakes chair?
Oh, hey. That's an interesting observation!
The one thing with the Sans coming from Deltarune thing I don't get is how he managed to get his whole Judge role and connections in Undertale if he just appeared one day in Snowdin. His connections to Alphys and probably Asgore as well as his general understanding of the 'rules' for lack of a better term as seen in Judgement Hall, especially on a No Mercy route are a lot to establish in the relatively short time (i.e. monster's living memory) that he would have been in the Underground.
See, I don't think Sans is a formal judge. Like I don't think that's his job. He clearly knows most people in the underground, but most of his jobs are things like being a comedian, a sentry, etc. Sans knows a lot, but he also clearly has a history in the sciences.
@@Dorked yeah I can see that with the judge thing but even so it's still a lot to do especially as Snowdin is one of the more isolated locations in the Underground.
Maybe he’s self appointed, like nobody knows he’s over there except you, because he made it his job to judge _you_ specifically. He’s a judge to no one else. Maybe out of a combination of his original job he was supposedly keen on in killing you, and also from the promise he made to Toriel, being more like “Let’s see how it goes”. He’s doing the job specifically for you, because he doesn’t need to do it for anyone else.
Who else is he even gonna judge? Flowey? He’ll probably attack and kill Flowey outright, he never made a promise to look after Flowey. No he promised to watch out for the human, and so he’s kinda gambling on you and the promise, and he made what was once just, The Hall, into The Judgement Hall, because that’s where _he_ is going to judge _you,_ and see if he made the right bet on promising not to hurt you.
You notice he never actually protects you, because he doesn’t need to, he knows you’ll always come back, (🟣🧍♂️jumpscare) he just usually steps in and tells you off when you do something off.
His promise was basically “I won’t try to stop them. I’ll just see where it goes” and only in the most extreme circumstances will he break that promise. He puts himself at The Judgement Hall, because that is right before the end, when he’s already seen everything you’ve done, and chooses to judge you, judge if he would be justified in breaking the promise here, because that’s right up to all he’ll let happen because of that promise. So either it’ll all work out, before why not, it just might, or it’s to hell with that promise, the promise that let the worst case scenario happen, and to hell with you.
He is probably the Judge Jury of The Underground, @@redactedoktor and he was probably appointed by Asgore to Judge possibly evil people.
The fact Toby's creative process needs story context explains so much about his penchant for leitmotifs too.
There's a fascinating aspect of this "Chapter 3 will be less plot-heavy" concept, because a theory of mine actually predicts this should be the case. So that's pretty fun.
It goes like this: Ralsei claims that Darkners are influenced by the "Will of their Fountain". And I daresay it's fair to assume that this translates to "The will of the person who created that fountain, when they made it". Which means we should see signs that the Darkners within are influenced by the Knight. And we DO. Specifically, the leaders of both the Ch 1 and 2 fountains, King and Queen, are said to have changed suddenly when the fountain opened, and they both talk at length about their approval of the Knight. If this pattern continues, the leader of this new fountain should likewise have their will suddenly changed to match the will of the person who created the fountain...which is Kris. (And if the "Jevil predicted Queen" pattern holds, this person will be Tenna, the television set that controls all the shows within the TV dark world, including canceling Spamton's commericals.)
From all this, we have the perfect setup to answer the age-old question: Is Kris the Knight? We can answer this by asking "Is Tenna's change consistent with King's and Queen's changes?" If yes, suddenly the finger is pointed straight at Kris. And if not, they're borderline exonerated, and we can get a look at what their goal in opening this fountain was by what Tenna suddenly wants to do.
By this logic we see that the idea of chapter 3 being less plot-heavy ALREADY points towards a non-Knight Kris, since the plot is driven by the Knight's fountains. But until I've seen the game, I won't go assuming we've already resolved the issue. We haven't.
Note that this approach isn't absolute or foolproof by any means. A non-Knight Kris might intentionally make the fountain look like the Knight's fountains so that they have a proper villain to fight, if their motivation is "keep having fun in the Dark Worlds". And a Knight Kris might be well aware that the SOUL, us the player, knows they made this one, and as such would intentionally make it different to throw us off the trail. These options _do_ exist, but I'd still say each outcome supports their respective conclusions by a fairly large amount. Just not 100%.
this is the biggest lore drop ever because it confirms that toby fox remembers papyruss cool song
pleas toby release the song officially i beg i love cuicas
I hope it appears in Deltarune and he's been spending this whole time composing it.
@@Dorked papyrus is secretly the knight the whole time and papyruss cool song is actually the epic final knight battle fate of the world theme
If it does end up that Undertale Papyrus is the same as Deltarune Papyrus, that brings up so many questions. Mainly on how Papyrus has managed to keep that a secret from everyone. Especially with Flowey. I can't imagine Papyrus keeping anything from Flowey. He's willing to arrange the Pacifist ending rendezvous at his request, he considers Flowey to be one of his best friends. Of course if he somehow doesn't remember Deltarune that just brings up further questions
6:09 I believe corn and mayonnaise is a popular pizza topping combination in Japan, so it's a little nod to the Japanese fandom
Oh, huh! That's actually really neat. I had no idea.
When I was in Japan like 30 years ago, the sheer existence of corn and mayonnaise pizza was one of my most vivid memories. No I did not try it.
The thing about the question about keeping things from papyrus, when he says “Keeping… something… from me?” He’s sweating. I think he understands the question just fine… what I don’t know is, does he very deliberately seek out an alternate meaning and then answer that instead, or does he come up with it and immediately seize upon it as an explanation, convincing himself that *of course* they didn’t mean it the other way? (The difference being the degree of self-deception.)
this newsletter is my favorite, i love papyrus and mad mew mew so it's so good to see new content about them!!
Yeah, I appreciate all the cute sprites of Mew Mew in the newsletters, like the cherry blossom one last time.
Honestly, the Papyrus interview was a fun time in general; being one of my favorite UNDERTALE characters, how could I not enjoy it? The possible lore implications are just the icing on the cake here.
The more we progress, the closer we get to The Deltarune Skelebrothers Skeleshow propaganda.
Also I didn't even notice the training with the battle body thingy,wonder if it's an actual thing going for Paps or if it's just a silly little reference.
It's interesting because that's the second time now we've had an explicit dragon ball reference with Papyrus. xD
@@Dorked My Papyrus encyclopedia may be getting dusty but what was the first one again?
@@kau_for_thee_8567 I show it in the video briefly! In the Sans casino dialogue, he mentions Papyrus' beautification process and how he has a hyperbolic cucumber chamber, a reference to the hyperbolic time chamber.
@@Dorked Oh ok, didn't got into that part of the video yet.
Toby is possibly building Paps as a menace,yet we can't even be sure if he's serious or not.
I wonder if the reason Sans wrote "Don't forget." is because he knows time shenanigans can lead to memory loss & the reason he helped you find it is so you can remember it for him if you reset too far since he's not sure what you're doing or why.
For some reason, I always did think of that bird at Grillby's as female. Maybe just something about how she talks? I don't know.
this kind of stuff from toby make me feel more and more that papyrus and friends are real people
they feel that way to me, i guess
i dont know how to describe it
13:40 A good example might be that episode of Helluva Boss that was recently released, S1E8. The creator said almost the exact same thing when she ended up having to skip it and release S2E1 months ago, that it was mostly about the spectacle and light on plot elements.
What ended up being in the episode was some fantastic context for recent events, a spotlight for a character that needed some love, and a few bits and pieces of the broader world’s lore and rules added in.
I think that’s a good baseline for how much we can expect. 3 will probably be the chapter where we dive into Kris’ character and past while avoiding the big questions surrounding them.
i know you might not see this,but i love watching your videos!
they inspire me to talk about my theories and ideas with the deltarune/undertale community!
Aw, thanks! Happy to inspire. :) Usually keeping track of comments early on is easy. xD I try to reply when I can but eventually run outta steam.
13:50 As if my theory on televised programs being the connection between Hotland and Chapter 3 wasn't strong enough for my Mirrored Journey Theory. I wouldn't expect *no* lore though - Remember, The start of Hotland is the general area of the true lab, and that would mean we'll have probably get a bigger picture on what the goal of gathering the shadow crystals is for. It'd line up with the shadow mantle being necessary to stand a chance against the next optional boss as said by Seam - The amalgams perpetually kept alive through determination, so what would be the Deltarune equivalent to burning determination? Naturally, we look to the source of saving in the two worlds - Blinding light.
Only question is, what could Mike be that shines like a light and can be blocked out by a small black pocket cloth?
The reversed journey theory is a very convincing theory I got to admit.
A wedding ring? The diamond would presumably be pretty shiny, and maybe the shadow mantle is the box the ring came in.
@superlagbro192 A interesting idea if Noelle was in Chapter 3. 2 problems with that: 1) I find it hard to believe a solid box would become a mantle, which is a type of long cloak. 2) Because Noelle isn't part of Chapter 3, I find it hard to believe Toby would design a boss after the very weapon type Noelle uses, since that kind of similarity could be better used to enhance a narrative connection between Noelle and a wedding ring darkner.
@@drakath5727 While Noelle is associated with rings, it would be odd for one character to have a monopoly on that imagery, especially when the thorn ring is originally from Spamton. The wedding imagery would more likely be for Toriel and Asgore since their separation is such a big mystery and could be related to Noelle's sister going missing. Plus their separation affected the family to the point that some people theorise Kris opened a fountain just to force character development for Toriel and to hopefully repair Kris' relationship with her. Thus it would work great for ch3 to have a wedding ring representing the unresolved trauma of the divorce that Toriel has to look past in order to see the family right in front of her
2:31 PAPYRUS IS TOO PRECIOUS FOR AN AMBLING TRUETYPE FONT ❤💀
Counter argement against sans smelling like sweat:
Monsters are only shown to sweat when under physical stress, Sans never stresses and is generally lazy Therefore he does not smell like sweat
Would've said skeletons cant sweat but sans does so in his fight
I like to think that Papyrus likes to wrap his bones in black fabric, though I can also see him painting his bones black.
Black mayonnaise exists. Heinz had a Halloween edition last autumn. Maybe he oils up in different colours from time to time
8:10 always thought of it as kind of like some sort of skin suit for his bones.
i purposely ignored the logistics of this because i didn't care.
Papyrus may be the only one of us eating pizza correctly
The Sans ice cream scene reminds me of
[Small spoiler for The Stanley Parable]
when in The Stanley Parable, if you enter the super secret code in the boss's office before The Narrator finishes telling you what it is, he plays music for a minute before opening the hidden door.
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I like comparing Sans less so to Ford Pines from Gravity Falls and more like Stan Pines
Mostly a stinky goofball played off as comedy relief who has a darker side that’s sometimes shown, but never overshadows the goofball part
19:39 Wait, people thought that bird was a guy?? I always thought that was a lady, she just gave off "gossiping old woman" vibes to me, I never saw her as anything else
Well tbf, I thought the fish sitting next to her was ALSO a woman, not a guy, so I got that wrong
I think there's this tendency for people to assume male is the default on a character unless the gender is otherwise revealed, but gossiping old lady is a fun archetype anyway.
@@Dorked that's fair, I used to have the tendancy to do the opposite actually, I'd tend to think gender neutral were female unless stated otherwise. I was honestly just surprised to hear people thought she was a guy, but I guess that's coz she's not a main or super memorable side character, so I've just never seen her discussed at all in the small fan spaces I've dipped into.
At least with the new info Toby has released on her character and the others people have more to work with now if they want, so that's nice
Im sad toby didn't answer any questions about paps car, I remember asking what his favorite car is cause a) thought it'd be cute, and b) wanted to know if he would answer cungadero
6:32 i'm proud to say that i'm twitter mutuals with the person who compared uncle aaron to papyrus
Oh, that's a fun coincidence. :o
@@Dorked yeah, she even made a tweet about this video an hour ago
Cant wait for chapter 3
Chapter 3 intrigues me since it seems to be less of a "standard" format chapter. I wonder what Toby has cooking this time.
PAPYRUS'S PIZZA OPINIONS ARE SO BASED
Queen: Potassium!
Papyrus: Calcium!
i saw some people say the chair that undyne is sitting on is the one from the spamton sweepstakes but 🤷♀️
you say there ain't no lore in hotland, but every gaster thing outside of goner kid and mystery man is there.
Those are optional, rng events that mean little to the main Undertale story and more to Deltarune in all likelihood.
Wow this is sooo wholesome. Also with flowey knowing Papyrus's favorite food, it's sweet. Maybe Flowey has no love, but he still cared about Papyrus and had a soft spot for him, even though he wasn't always great with him.
I'm sure they came from another world, but probably not deltarune's world. Sans winks at Kris when he says he never met them in his life, implying he's at least still aware of the resets in this world and at most, is aware of the player and that they've met in another timeline
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… I’ve literally never heard anyone with that problem
tbh, it would make sense if toby had the idea to do the Q&A specifically to foreshadow and tease chapter 3, knowing that someone would DEFINITELY ask the snowdin question. and then leaving the question unanswered to tease us and plant that mystery in our minds. pretty genius imo. I think this is definitely gonna be a plot point in the next deltarune chapter 👀
7:38 Sans is sweaty and he smells like mom's spagheti
Huh? I always thought the bird that talks for grillby is a girl.
Is this something that was taken to be otherwise in the fandom?
i do wanna mention that just because chapter 3 is only just finishing up doesnt mean that the other chapters still have a really long way to go or anything, right? like, if they're working on the chapters in tandem, there's probably a decent chunk of ch.4/5 mostly done. i think this fall probably is a bit too optimistic with the info that they're only just finishing ch.3, but it might not take another whole year and a half or anything.
Sans actually eating mayonase?!?!? Fandom is in shambles! (also more papyrus neurodivergent REALLLL EVEN MORE REASONS TO BELIEVE HE IS NEURODIVERGENT)
holy shit my uncle arron tweet made it into a video
I could not resist the funny that is the Uncle Aaron meme. xD
been asking around where this papyrus has come from since hes in both games, hoping for a definitive answer.
I'm glad you make these videos, because despite being signed up to the truck freak tier of the newsletter I never receive any of the newsletter emails. no idea why
Same, I don't get notified, but it's bc mine get auto stuffed into the "promotions" tab, so maybe check if you have something similar?
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I've come to theorize that Kris is only opening the fountain because it made the others happy, as stated after the queen fight, despite the warnings. It wouldn't be the first time kris acted on their own for that purpose.
I, for one, am glad Mew Mew is getting appearances as a certified Mad Mew Mew enjoyer.
your video was my first thought when reading the "keeping something from you" question
im still kind of convinced sans and papyrus are literally from the universe of the comic helvetica given they were clearly originally envisioned as joke characters to poke fun at toby’s friend’s comic
Hm, how very interesting, i wonder what we’ll get next, actually when do you think we get something next?
Anyway, I really appreciate this Video and look forward to see any new Videos from you Undertale/Deltarune or otherwise.
I hope 3D Toriel makes it into the kickflip video.
Someone mentioned you on shorts, and that made me remember the one time I uploaded your music, on my channel, that was so long ago man
btw I credited him too, he just didn't like me reposting it
Man. I have an incredibly huge feeling Chapters 3-5 will be released in 2024. Plus will continue the 3 year wait between the chapters trope.
.. So that means the game will be finished in 2027. Wow.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on future newsletters when they release aswell!
I'll consider it! Especially since the next one should arrive around UT's anniversary.
if sans and papyrus came from deltarune, and if sans said that papyrus never saw a human before in undertale, that unfortunately means we wont see the cool dude himself in deltarune :(
That, or it's just an excuse since a human hasn't fallen in a while. It really depends, because I can see the bros feigning ignorance to "fit in," tho some also suspect amnesia Papyrus.
Welp, if we never meet Papyrus in Deltarune, he will have never seen a human...
Also, with the Mew Mew sprites and in game dialogue, I'm assuming in Deltrarune Maddy (Mad dummy) is the one that got help from Alphys and recieved a corpeal Doll forme.
Poor Mettaton though... I hope we can somehow help, maybe through dark world shenanagans.
I agree with the collabs! It's sooooo cool watching Toby still grow as an creator and person! He already seems on top of his craft, but he still manages to hold himself to a higher bar and strive for higher yet and it is a HUGE inspiration to me.
so hyped for the reveal that papyrus canonically fucking reeks of mayo
Did we ever Inspect Element the newsletter at all?
We gotta be like the FNAF fandom, gotta check everything. URLS, Image names, Raising contrast and brightness, dont leave anything unchecked.
And thanks a lot for deltarune content, I love watching videos like this
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Did Toby really voice Queen? I thought that was a joke.
WHAT? THAT'S A THING?
The better the mind the more you like PAPYRUS that's why we both have some of the best minds of all time
6:05 Kiwi is tart like pineapple, so yeah it works probably.
Also corn works really well as a nice starchy topping, but mayonnaise I don’t get & mixing kiwi & Mayo just sounds gross to me.
Maybe Papyrus hasn’t seen any humans because he’s a shut-in in Deltarune and thus he will never see a human in Deltarune
Honestly, I headcanon Papyrus as an autistic skeleton as I personally relate to him with all of those quirkyness he has haha!
(Im autistic myself by the way, if you couldnt tell-)
I found smth interesting don't know if it's old info but in the papyrus date in Undertale if you interact with his bed he mentions his dream where he drives his race car bed down a highway wind is flowing and the sun is on his skin. But in the pacifist ending he doesn't know what the sun is he even asks sans. Maybe something toby didint notice when making the game or it's something deeper.
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I didn't know this happened usually with other people as well :')
I may don't post music quite often, and I'm not a professional. However, with my current experience, I can say that it is difficult to understand many factors that *must* fit in a certain scene while trying to make it sound good. Which genre? What tempo? Which Leitmotifs? What chord progression?
It's a bit overwhelming when you learn on your own, but not impossible. Cheers to all the people who learn on their own and learn from their mistakes!
Thank you Dorked from RUclips
I've always thought that the final question meant that Papyrus & Sans used to live on the surface when they were very young and that's why Papyrus doesn't remember the sun or know what humans look like. I've starting leaning towards the "Sans & Papyrus from Deltarune" theory because of the shopkeepers dialogue but that could also mean that they just suddenly moved in one day.
I can't believe this confirms sans is a gamer
Best theory;
Kris isn't the knight,
they just hit the gas line in the floor.
I've been thinking, if Papyrus and Sans in Undertale really did come from Deltarune's world doesn't that mean Deltarune lightners are also capable of using magic since you see Sans and Papyrus use magic in the Undertale world?
Or would there be a different explanation for why Sans and Papyrus are capable of using magic in Undertale
we need a condiments tier list from sans.
It would be cool if they were from deltarune but also in the undertale kick starter there was green grass. And technically it was his ORIGINAL home
the kickstarter point is mentioned in the video
but basically, it's not actually canon to the game so it doesn't really count
If the Ice cream was in Undertale OG then it wouldn't be a time sink, but an easter egg.
I was actually wondering yesterday if Toby knows about Let Papyrus Say ____ Day. So... maybe?
Well for last year's Let Papyrus Say Fuck Day event I made an additional campaign to bring back the discontinued Cool Dude shirt which worked and the new version of the shirt has a secret Papyrus on the inside that is saying "FUNK!" and since Toby works very closely with the people at fangamer, I think there's a possibility. Also I saw several people say they asked if he swears. XD The truth is out there.
There's no need to apologize for an improvised video, that's simply doing it the Papyrus way!