I started using them to have background noise to sleep on, since I didn't know about the game. Then I started actually getting interested in what it was about and now play the game from time to time lol.
I really like these videos, and I never interacted with any Yugioh-related media in my entire life before RUclips recommended me these videos. I still know nothing about Yugioh except for what I’m able to extrapolate from these videos, which isn’t a lot.
I got into the game right after the dragon rulers got banned and never really knew why they were so powerful and honestly after hearing their explanations on why they're banned I'm kinda glad they decided to not make one for light or dark attributes
They got banned or crippled fast enough that they couldnt get to tier 0. If the babyrulers would have survived the first circle the Rulers would have been tier 0 after Spellbook of Judgement was gone.
@@Y0G0FU notice he said honorary. Their both very much on the same power level as other tier zero decks but were robbed of that by banlists and comin out at the same time
@Grhifen Which really wasn't that unique in the first place, with zombies and Gravekeepers. Though, I suppose it might have allowed for interesting combos of those with machines.
I kinda love how Dragon Rulers are this looming threat that triggers a panicked feeling in each player who was around during that time, when they are mentioned
I started back in YuGiOh when they were prevalent, even before babies were e-banned back then, and oh boy they were everywhere and were impossible to avoid, and *always* topped
The Dragon Rulers have the distinct trait that they actually fit in so many decks and are so easy to summon they add so much consistency. If there were Light and Dark Dragon Rulers you would see them in just about every deck assuming they are at least limited and have the same requirements as the existing Rulers. On top of that the lower level versions of them just assist in the whole premise allowing you to Summon the high level Rulers straight from the deck. If they were to be taken off the balance to the consistency would be to put the low level monsters of the archetype on the Forbidden list if you asked me how I expect them to be removed. You can play Tempest at 1 and its corresponding monster that summons it from the deck is at 3.
Yea if they ever made Light and Dark Dragon Ruler monsters they would never get unbanned will how many amazing and borderline op cards there are of those types.
I've been waiting for an explanation for why Dragon Rulers were so amazing and now that I know, it's kind of terrifying. Their artwork is dope, though. Dragon Rulers sort of unintentionally becoming godlike kind of reminds of how the simple act of putting Drizzle and Drought on Politoed and Ninetales in Gen 5 helped warp that meta into the "Weather Wars". Obvious difference being the Dragon Rulers were great on their own in addition to making other cards better. Politoed and Ninetales could make teams or other Pokemon busted while they themselves were only slightly above average.
It was not fun this format you would main deck vanity emptyness at 3 in your main deck and would still use this was definitely that number 1 play the top two decks or get wrecked nothing could compete with rulers if any spellbooks rulers has to be the.number one tier 0 deck
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The fact that there is exactly 9 trap cards banned, makes me think of which monster/spell you are gonna add in that when you eventually do it. Unless you arent gonna have a number 10 spot for it in general
@@sephikong8323 Makyura got an errata where if it's sent from the Monster Zone to the GY, you can activate 1 Trap Card from the hand that turn. Makyura also has a hard once per turn for this effect as well.
I like these series, they preserve the history of the game, and can be used as reference for why a new card is made that way (joke cards, new busted cards, retrains of banned cards, etc.) Top 10 vanilla monsters in the game
Ill never forget the summer of the dragon rulers. It was the first time I had ever experienced an emergency ban list and remember the thing that made this deck impossible was the sheer amount of cards that had 0 value from older sets being made almost broken by these cards
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Well if you gave judgement to any archetype it would be tier 0, so kudos to rulers for being able to stop them. I'm 100% confident that you could have a ojama version of judgment and turn ojamas T0.
Keep in mind, this spell card was probably the most broken card ever made (as a matter of fact, it's the number one card in this guy's video on the best cards in the game), and really, the Spellbook archetype was already pretty powerful, so Spellbook of Judgment just made them incredibly good.
@@bolmo12 That isn't saying much since the Ojama's, despite being the bane of everyone's existence, is actually pretty strong when you look at what they have access to. Even giving them a draw 2 would probably push them into solid Rogue tier, let alone a Spellbook of Judgement.
I remember when I first tried getting back in to Yugioh since the Battle City days. I vividly remember facing this deck online, which led to me immediately putting down the game as a whole again for at least another 3-4 years.
There's speed duel battle city box at the end of the month. I'm gonna go in. Good for 8 to start, each have a starter deck (you can even combine the 2-3 characters for a deck) from speed duel and you got an affordable tournament literally out the box with 4 playmats. Booster packs are 4 cards so I dunno if people like that much.
Thank you so much Duellogs. I absolutely love this series. I don't understand why a decent amount of cards are banned because I'm an oldschool player who doesn't really keep up with the meta news wise, but your videos have given me some insight into the current meta, and these have been extremely fascinating. Me and my friends who I got into Yugioh, all choose to stay oldschool and not run Links or Xyzs, because of how broken the game state is at that point. It's a lot more fun. Two weeks ago I had an hour long duel with my friend where I was down to 4 cards in my deck and he had like 10, it was a consistent battle of one-upping each other with cards and effects and destroying each other's cards constantly, not one person taking 10 minutes to make an unbeatable board and then winning. loads of fun.
Makes me wonder what the hell was Konami thinking when they decided to print those things. If you decide to make basically one-card engines, that can work with 4 out of 6 archetypes, with the 4th most popular type in the game, and with each other, I have n idea how can you not think twice about it.
In regards to dragon rulers, Konami didn’t think people would make a deck around them. They did think about the fact that the dragon rulers actually worked with each other. They were all suppose to be used to support attribute based decks.
Blaster is my second favorite Dragon ruler next to Tempest. If they were to ever unban any of the other dragon rulers I'd say it would be him since alot of cards nowadays have protection from destruction effects, have trigger effects that activate when they're destroyed or have protection from being targeted in general.
I remember one game where a lightsworn player summoned snow on me every turn and constantly flipping my monster face down and going into rank 4 xyz monster. I told him snow should be banned after it was limited in the OCG at the time and he laughed at me a couple of months later guess who laughing now and still is
"not hard-once-per-turn (and not even once-per-chain) special summon from the Graveyard with a cost that is easily fulfilled by most meta decks and can on top of that be used as a decent disruption every time it is revived? Of course this card is fair!"
@@majordukem Competative minded players tend to think anything that doesn't hard counter their deck is fine for the game, gladly stomping any and every deck they come across just for the "practice cause this is a new build". Asking them what should or shouldn't be banned is always a bad idea cause they'll only ever pick cards that specifically counter their deck. In Force of Will that was fairly common even before the game jumped the shark, where comp players would mill around in casual or new player lobbies and go full force. It legit took me a full year to learn how to build a deck because they only ever suggested busted cards with no context on the deck surrounding it. And at that point I was playing an inconsistent but fun meme deck that somehow occasionally stomped the meta decks, much to their utter shock. YuGiOh is almost all comp minded people, so asking anyone if a card should be banned will usually be answered with "Nah it's fine just play X or Y", ignoring the context of the deck the other person is trying to play.
I once lost to a Lightsworn player because of snow. I cleared the field, got 4 monsters (pre link area) on the field and wanted to attack for game. He was able to revive snow 2 times during my turn, flipped my monsters with disruption face down and used it to swallow the 2 other attacks. Then he banished giant rex with Snow and somehow won. F”k that card
I played YuGiOh in tournaments exactly in 2013 and played Dragon Ruler. Every tournament I went to was literally 80% players playing Dragon Ruler. You had Super Rejuvenation at three, a card that allows you to draw for every dragon tribute you made that turn. It was INSANE. The only deck that was able to compete with Dragon Ruler (and actually won a few tournaments) was Spellbooks.
I miss Harp Horror. Picked Orcust up when they were released and werent that good. Then Orcust Knightmare, Dingirsu and Crescendo were released and made it meta. Our store has an annual event where the meta isnt allowed so Orcust was suddenly not playable.
Holy shoot. I stop playing the game before rulers and I never understood why they are banned until this video. A few more rulers card and they could had been tier 0
yknow something they could always do for the dragon rulers is what a lot of other card games do, that's "choice restriction" where in this case, all dragon rulers could be limited, but you can only include one in your deck. Vanguard and WiXoss do this and it's been very helpful in balancing the metagame.
so basically, each card, in likely addition to some other conditions(say, make every effect that effects your own cards specify [attribute] dragons, and some drawbacks to using them), having them all say "this card cannot be in your deck alongside any other "dragon rulers" cards"?
@@anonymousoff-brand7538 I would make it an official announcement on the website similar to the limited/restricted list that you cannot include more than 1 of any of the listed cards in your deck: And then it would list the four dragon rulers. They could also do this with A bunch of 2-card FTKs like “you can’t include mass driver and substitoad” on the same deck as an example to free up space. Or Samsara lotus because lool loops
Dragon Rulers were absolutely insane! Could never loose advantage is just to good. Even effect negation does only so much. And even though Dragon Rulers have limited protection, it doesnt matter. Still broken. And the only thing keeping the Dragon Rulers at full power from becoming the most op deck in the game's history, was possably the most powerfull card in all of yugioh. Spellbook of Judgmemt.
Machina Gadgets were underrated in this format, redox, ultimate offering, Lavalval chain, shockmaster, 101, gadgets could EASILY stand up and beat Rulers back then but no-one really played them. My favorite deck :)
I remember in 2013 I went to a regionals where the big decks were dragon rulers, bujin, and evil swarm. I think spell books was as well but almost nobody could afford the deck where I was. I ended up topping with a rank 4 focused harpie deck (pet dragon seemed too inconsistent to me) because the rank 4 pet dragon xyz was just shitting on everybody and nobody planned to harpies with side deck or anything. That was so fun haha
As someone who just got into Yu Gi Oh from video games, thank you for this video. Been trying to learn about which Archtype to play and have been struggling to understand why Dragon Rulers is so good and how it really works, this is very helpful. Btw I'm also looking at Burning Abyss, anyone got videos or guides to share that explain that archtype? I want to learn it too.
The format after the Rulers were put to 1 which was beginning of 2014 I think, was one of the best formats I think we've ever had. There were so many decks being played and while the Rulers were still there they weren't oppressive like they were before, just a good deck along with the others. Still kinda want Tidal back for my Mermails, but it's probably better for it to still be banned.
I always wondered why Evilswarms were that powerfull around Dragon Rulers and Spellbook times. But then basically got forgotten. It was because Evilswarm, while being worse then either, countered both Dragon Rulers and Spellbooks.
As a person who only played back in the anime days where Gemini Elf and Summoned Skull were top tier cards in my school, this type of video is absolutely amazing to watch. So much crazy shit happened with this game.
(un)popular opinion about Dragon Rulers: Only Redox deserves to be banned, the rest can come back since they have been powercrept. Also, I need Blaster back in my Volcanic Deck.... Day 617 of waiting for Good Pyro/Volcanic Support to arrive...
The rest have been powercrept what?? Imagine dagon ruler in every single dragon deck. They can come back MAYBE at 1, and that's probably only for tidal and blaster
I've never dueled before but these videos are so chill and interesting that it makes me wanna try at some point. The mechanics seem really cool, I love the variety of summoning methods and archetypes.
Ahh.. those days where you only had original Polymerization, fusion monsters, ritual monsters and main deck monsters/spells/traps.. i know I’m such a boomer... nowdays i have to take classes on how to play haha.. but i love your videos and it’s always fun to learn something new
I always check the ban list every now and then but honestly I didn't know Eclipse Wyvern was banned. I got 1 copy of that card (from Light&Dark structure deck). Really cool looking card, too bad it's banned for being too good.
Same exact story with me. No idea and I got the structure deck. I even play tested wyvern and it never felt strong for me. Still the structure deck was super cool.
the spellbook archetype wasn't released in the same set as dragon rulers, they had been around for a while at that point, it was just that spellbook of judgment made them overpowered currently don't recall if other spellbooks or prophecy monsters were released along with judgment but of course it was the only one that really mattered then anyways
I used to play Chaos Dragons in 2016 more or less, I stopped playing Yugioh since then, but I found out about your channel and RANK10, and sparkled my wish to play again, imagine my sadness upon seeing that Eclipse Wyvern was banned, what made my deck work in the first place by searching Darkness Metal, summoning dragons along Chaos monsters and winning in one turn... Fortunately so much support came out to help my deck change for the better, and also leaving this game for few years is a nightmare, I feel like 10 years worth of new cards came out.
I think that if Blaster return, Tidal, and Redox might as well be erased from the game entirely because their effects are not only the strongest of the bunch, but if we had three limited dragon rulers, we would not need the fourth to make this deck work again, and as long as dragon link exists, blaster also needs to stay banned, Tempest is already good there, imagine with a Blaster. It kind of hurts to say that Blaster cannot come back because he has probably my favorite design with Tidal and I would love to use him in salads, but I need to see the bigger picture, and the bigger picture is not pretty.
one of my favorite bits of d ruler lore is when they came out they caused big eye, a card that was considered a “garbage” secret rare no one wanted to pull from their booster boxes, to go from a few dollars tops, to overnight being an $80-90 card. not only were they a strong deck, but with a lot of secret rares you wanted in the extra deck at 3, and super rejuv which was a pretty hard to comeby card, they were a stupidly expensive deck as well. a fully loaded deck bought from singles would be about $700 give or take.
You are excellent at explaining all about cards, just keep on making same interesting videos like you do :) I wish you all best and be as you are all the way
I remember when I was younger and the Dragon Ruler tins came out, I didn't even know they were strong but I just wanted the different tins because they looked cool so now I have 2 or 3 different dragon rulers hanging out with all my other Yugioh cards
Being someone who stopped playing Yugioh when synchros were new I never understood what was the big problem with dragon rulers until now and I think it’s going to be a while before we see a second of them gets unbanned
I’m just getting back into the card game. I legit just want Dragon Rulers to make a fun to play deck. I don’t do competition play anymore. God I missed a lot
I still think that, if it weren't for Salamangreats, Blaster would have been the one Dragon Ruler they could have brought back. Yes, Tempest has the weakest discard effect, but it also has some of the best targets when it gets banished. The only target for Blaster that anyone played was Flamvell Guard.
@@baconsir1159 I can sorta see it. Discard Blaster and an Infernoid of your choice to pop a card. Banish 2 Infernoids (and/or a copy or two of Ash Blossom/Gren Maju) from the Graveyard to bring back Blaster, in case you hit the Level cap and can't Summon any more Infernoids and want an extra Link Material. It's not the best use of your resources, but it's a decent extender if you need it.
I remember back in the day me and my friend wanted to make a Yubel deck which would make use of samsara lotus as a free tribute every turn, we never got around to it unfortunately.
Honestly, the best way I can see Dragon Rulers being unbannable would be if they errata them and add a "(This card's name becomes "Dragon Ruler".)" condition to all 4 Dragon Rulers, the same as Harpie Lady. That way you can only play up to 3 copies (or less if they're limited) of all the Dragon Rulers in total. Normally this isn't recommended if they are supposed to be an archetype, but as TheDuelLogs said, Dragon Ruler is just a series or sort. I think DuelLogs' changelist for the Dragon Rulers would change them too much. Slapping the tag "You can only use 1 "Dragon Ruler" effect per turn, and only once that turn." is healthier for them to exist. Thanks for the insightful video too, I really want to see Dragon Rulers back into the game in a healthier state!
Another option for weakening Redox's Reborn effect could just be to restrict that he could only summon Earth or Dragon monsters. Still pretty powerful but at least it has some limits.
Honestly, I'd love to see a format that bans FTK and infinites, but let's everything else run wild. So people can step back, watch the tier 0 decks return, and let them battle. Just to see what happens.
We're all here just waiting for the episode where you have to explain The Tyrant Neptune, once more. I kind of forget what it does and why it is on the Forbidden and Limited list.
I know I'm late to the video, but I think something that may help the Dragons stay good, without taking away it's repeatability, and would allow all four to get unbanned would be to add "you can only have one Dragon Ruler in your deck" to each of them. I think that combined with them limiting attribute special summons and/or giving up the battle phase or something could work too
I'll give the dragon rulers this much: they are cool as hell and about as 'fair' as broken cards get in yu-gi-oh. If they couldn't special summon themselves from the graveyard (a recurring issue with broken cards), they'd probably be fine at limited.
As someone who plays a Synchro Gishki deck, having a non-grave summonable water Dragon Ruler would be a wet dream. Send a Fishborg Launcher, an Atlantean, or Gishki Abyss to grave to set up my plays? Yes freaking please. With how the game is, even removing the "Summon from grave" wouldn't be able to fix them, even at once per duel. There is just too much that can benefit from the Dragon Rulers as is without utterly gutting the cards.
fairy tail snow was so cool in Orbiter Hydralander decks. Its effect fizzles if you mill cards and end up with more than 1 card of the same name in the GY, but you could chain fairy tail snow to the self mill effect to "fix" your graveyard so you could still resolve the pop a card effect
@@trysixtysnipeco Oh yes REVIVING GODAMN vannilas, why is everyone so fking bad, in Adamatia any GODAMN earth you revive already used its effect and is effectively vannila so PLUS 1 HOLYYYYY , and Druler aint a rock, IT isnt the worst tech BUT FAR FROMMMM THE HORRRRRRRRRROR OH NOOO.
Salad with blaster is meh, if they can choose something to get unbanned it Will be staillo. And Dino with more bricks isn't even that good(lothogasym+diagram, redox). They are much more consistent and stronger right now, why would you add more bricks just to get meager +1 at best?
9:16 i remember seeing a type of dragon that looked like tempest in a tv show called max steel. edit: for fairy tail snow, remove the effect for it to be special summoned, banish cards face-down, once per duel.
I like pretty much all your videos but I really like this series because I played the game when it came out but then took a 10+yr hiatus and now I'm back and I really dig these super insightful videos
I have watched every video on this channel. Perhaps twice. Never have I played a single game of Yugioh in my entire life.
Almost same for me, except I have played Yu-Gi-Oh before, just not in tournaments and whatnot, just with my friends.
I’ve been playing the games for years.
I started using them to have background noise to sleep on, since I didn't know about the game. Then I started actually getting interested in what it was about and now play the game from time to time lol.
I really like these videos, and I never interacted with any Yugioh-related media in my entire life before RUclips recommended me these videos. I still know nothing about Yugioh except for what I’m able to extrapolate from these videos, which isn’t a lot.
I stopped playing in 2008 and have no intention to start again, but these are so addicting and I love them
I got into the game right after the dragon rulers got banned and never really knew why they were so powerful and honestly after hearing their explanations on why they're banned I'm kinda glad they decided to not make one for light or dark attributes
Yeah, that would have been total overkill. I wonder what their names could have been though.
@@succubastard1019 maybe something like darkness dragon ruler of shadows
@@darknessmaster9528 Maybe "Obscurity" a bit more subtle than just darkness, but I don't know.
Yeah they were fast, like very fast
Light and Dark Dragon Rulers would be emergency banned in a heartbeat... they would be far too strong.
dragonruler and spellbook deck is basically an honorary tier 0 deck
They got banned or crippled fast enough that they couldnt get to tier 0. If the babyrulers would have survived the first circle the Rulers would have been tier 0 after Spellbook of Judgement was gone.
@@Y0G0FU notice he said honorary. Their both very much on the same power level as other tier zero decks but were robbed of that by banlists and comin out at the same time
i think rulers vs spellbook was the most iconic battle between two archetypes
more like Tier negative 1
@@nahuelcosta5609 And then there was Evilswarm just stuck in the middle haha
Dragon rulers: “One in the hand is worth....a butt ton of advantage”
“a dragon in the hand is worth two in the bush”
No wait the bush is better.
"My one hand dragon is more valuable then your whole hand "
pardon, what's this reference?
@@xCorvus7x the saying "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
@@Greg_Ulmer thanks
Dragon Rulers VS Spellbook has to be a lore
Because there is no way these two archetypes could come out at the same time without a reason
Maybe, one of the most common ways to fight dragons in fantasy is with magic or in this case magical items.
I miss it when only Spooky Necromancy themed decks did stuff in the graveyard.
Now everything uses the graveyard.
"When everyone's spooky...no one is."
Unless Necrovalley... Except it also pulls shenanigans. >.
Necrovalley still shuts that down
Graveyard used to be scary but now the graveyard has become a second tool belt.
@Grhifen Which really wasn't that unique in the first place, with zombies and Gravekeepers.
Though, I suppose it might have allowed for interesting combos of those with machines.
I kinda love how Dragon Rulers are this looming threat that triggers a panicked feeling in each player who was around during that time, when they are mentioned
I started back in YuGiOh when they were prevalent, even before babies were e-banned back then, and oh boy they were everywhere and were impossible to avoid, and *always* topped
Me, not knowing a single thing about Yugioh: *"Ah yes, monsters go bye-bye"*
Must've been a very confusing experience watching the video.
All you really need to know is that the banlist acts as a way to balance patch the game and rotate out dominant strategies.
The Dragon Rulers have the distinct trait that they actually fit in so many decks and are so easy to summon they add so much consistency. If there were Light and Dark Dragon Rulers you would see them in just about every deck assuming they are at least limited and have the same requirements as the existing Rulers. On top of that the lower level versions of them just assist in the whole premise allowing you to Summon the high level Rulers straight from the deck. If they were to be taken off the balance to the consistency would be to put the low level monsters of the archetype on the Forbidden list if you asked me how I expect them to be removed. You can play Tempest at 1 and its corresponding monster that summons it from the deck is at 3.
Imaging a light or dark dragon ruler with dragon link or guardragon thunder dragons of last year gives me goosebumps.
Yea if they ever made Light and Dark Dragon Ruler monsters they would never get unbanned will how many amazing and borderline op cards there are of those types.
I guess the idea is that those cards are the kings of their atributes, thus really strong effects and decent stats.
Can we say that Chaos Emperor Dragon was the OG Dragon ruler?
I've been waiting for an explanation for why Dragon Rulers were so amazing and now that I know, it's kind of terrifying. Their artwork is dope, though.
Dragon Rulers sort of unintentionally becoming godlike kind of reminds of how the simple act of putting Drizzle and Drought on Politoed and Ninetales in Gen 5 helped warp that meta into the "Weather Wars". Obvious difference being the Dragon Rulers were great on their own in addition to making other cards better. Politoed and Ninetales could make teams or other Pokemon busted while they themselves were only slightly above average.
It was not fun this format you would main deck vanity emptyness at 3 in your main deck and would still use this was definitely that number 1 play the top two decks or get wrecked nothing could compete with rulers if any spellbooks rulers has to be the.number one tier 0 deck
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The fact that there is exactly 9 trap cards banned, makes me think of which monster/spell you are gonna add in that when you eventually do it. Unless you arent gonna have a number 10 spot for it in general
Makyura
@@sephikong8323 that was unbanned i believe
@@jacobszilagyi284 Don't think so, because it could permit a whole lot of FTK which is a big no no for Konami
@@sephikong8323 It was unbanned because it got an errata
@@sephikong8323 Makyura got an errata where if it's sent from the Monster Zone to the GY, you can activate 1 Trap Card from the hand that turn. Makyura also has a hard once per turn for this effect as well.
I like these series, they preserve the history of the game, and can be used as reference for why a new card is made that way (joke cards, new busted cards, retrains of banned cards, etc.)
Top 10 vanilla monsters in the game
Already done
Ill never forget the summer of the dragon rulers. It was the first time I had ever experienced an emergency ban list and remember the thing that made this deck impossible was the sheer amount of cards that had 0 value from older sets being made almost broken by these cards
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It's kind of hilarious, that they were so broken they made a bunch of bad cards good
I got back into Yugioh when Dragon Rulers were around.
Boy, that was a wake-up call of how much stronger Yugioh had gotten.
i did to but my love dragons make me love them
It still amazes me that dragon rulers never made tier 0 because of a spell card
I always love the fact that evilswarm became a semi competitive deck only because they slightly countered dragon rulers
Well if you gave judgement to any archetype it would be tier 0, so kudos to rulers for being able to stop them. I'm 100% confident that you could have a ojama version of judgment and turn ojamas T0.
Keep in mind, this spell card was probably the most broken card ever made (as a matter of fact, it's the number one card in this guy's video on the best cards in the game), and really, the Spellbook archetype was already pretty powerful, so Spellbook of Judgment just made them incredibly good.
@@bolmo12
That isn't saying much since the Ojama's, despite being the bane of everyone's existence, is actually pretty strong when you look at what they have access to. Even giving them a draw 2 would probably push them into solid Rogue tier, let alone a Spellbook of Judgement.
@@clayxros576 ok then, what about a Spellbook of judgement for Arcana force? Pretty sure it would also be at least tier 1.
Doctor: you have 15 minutes left to live
Me, a dragon ruler man of culture:
Ah yes a man of culture as well
Dragons are sick imo, badass look
I remember when I first tried getting back in to Yugioh since the Battle City days. I vividly remember facing this deck online, which led to me immediately putting down the game as a whole again for at least another 3-4 years.
There's speed duel battle city box at the end of the month. I'm gonna go in. Good for 8 to start, each have a starter deck (you can even combine the 2-3 characters for a deck) from speed duel and you got an affordable tournament literally out the box with 4 playmats. Booster packs are 4 cards so I dunno if people like that much.
You know an archtype was broken when the first three monsters are from the same archtype on a video about banned broken monsters.
And just the first one takes 10 minutes, well, it also mentions other Dragon Rulers, but still...
@@ace-trainer-aj ;p;
and the fourth one spent 4 years before being unbanned, but still limited to 1 copy
*technically* not an archetype
This channel single handedly made wanna get back into Yu-Gi-Oh, but I am playing duel links for now
Thank you so much Duellogs. I absolutely love this series. I don't understand why a decent amount of cards are banned because I'm an oldschool player who doesn't really keep up with the meta news wise, but your videos have given me some insight into the current meta, and these have been extremely fascinating. Me and my friends who I got into Yugioh, all choose to stay oldschool and not run Links or Xyzs, because of how broken the game state is at that point. It's a lot more fun. Two weeks ago I had an hour long duel with my friend where I was down to 4 cards in my deck and he had like 10, it was a consistent battle of one-upping each other with cards and effects and destroying each other's cards constantly, not one person taking 10 minutes to make an unbeatable board and then winning. loads of fun.
Makes me wonder what the hell was Konami thinking when they decided to print those things. If you decide to make basically one-card engines, that can work with 4 out of 6 archetypes, with the 4th most popular type in the game, and with each other, I have n idea how can you not think twice about it.
In regards to dragon rulers, Konami didn’t think people would make a deck around them. They did think about the fact that the dragon rulers actually worked with each other. They were all suppose to be used to support attribute based decks.
@@ngoyette94 but they added synergy with dragon
Dragons needed some time on the top. The were supporting characters for 2 long.
Same could be asked about a lot of the early game cards like Yata or CED
Blaster was the one dragon ruler I pulled, and it was at the height of his use. Didn't play competitively though and had no idea it was so good
Blaster is my second favorite Dragon ruler next to Tempest. If they were to ever unban any of the other dragon rulers I'd say it would be him since alot of cards nowadays have protection from destruction effects, have trigger effects that activate when they're destroyed or have protection from being targeted in general.
The Dragon Ruler yugioh tins were my favorite yugioh tins
Same, i actually have all 4 tins as well as blaster, burner, tempest and lightning
I have the inferno dragon ruler tin, and never new how scary those cards were till I sold all of my cards
I remember one game where a lightsworn player summoned snow on me every turn and constantly flipping my monster face down and going into rank 4 xyz monster. I told him snow should be banned after it was limited in the OCG at the time and he laughed at me a couple of months later guess who laughing now and still is
"not hard-once-per-turn (and not even once-per-chain) special summon from the Graveyard with a cost that is easily fulfilled by most meta decks and can on top of that be used as a decent disruption every time it is revived? Of course this card is fair!"
And snow was unlimited in OCG almost at the time it was banned in Tcg
@@majordukem
Competative minded players tend to think anything that doesn't hard counter their deck is fine for the game, gladly stomping any and every deck they come across just for the "practice cause this is a new build". Asking them what should or shouldn't be banned is always a bad idea cause they'll only ever pick cards that specifically counter their deck. In Force of Will that was fairly common even before the game jumped the shark, where comp players would mill around in casual or new player lobbies and go full force.
It legit took me a full year to learn how to build a deck because they only ever suggested busted cards with no context on the deck surrounding it. And at that point I was playing an inconsistent but fun meme deck that somehow occasionally stomped the meta decks, much to their utter shock. YuGiOh is almost all comp minded people, so asking anyone if a card should be banned will usually be answered with "Nah it's fine just play X or Y", ignoring the context of the deck the other person is trying to play.
@@clayxros576 Competitively minded people are different from actual people with competitive success.
I once lost to a Lightsworn player because of snow.
I cleared the field, got 4 monsters (pre link area) on the field and wanted to attack for game. He was able to revive snow 2 times during my turn, flipped my monsters with disruption face down and used it to swallow the 2 other attacks.
Then he banished giant rex with Snow and somehow won.
F”k that card
I played YuGiOh in tournaments exactly in 2013 and played Dragon Ruler.
Every tournament I went to was literally 80% players playing Dragon Ruler. You had Super Rejuvenation at three, a card that allows you to draw for every dragon tribute you made that turn. It was INSANE. The only deck that was able to compete with Dragon Ruler (and actually won a few tournaments) was Spellbooks.
Finally, the long awaited Dragon Rulers video.
So the lesson we have learned from today is hard once per turns are important.
Yeah but knowing konami, they will still make broken cards and go lol forgot soft once per turns were broken.
Not every card can be fixed with a hopt
@@matteo964 Never said they could.
Many HOPT cards are banned such as Dragon Rulers, Judgment Spellbook, Kirin, etc etc etc
@@jofx4051 Again, never said they would fix everything.
God, I still have nightmares about these things from back in the "Dueling Network" days. Only ban hammer that's made me as happy was Inzektors.
Too bad DN was shut down.. do you know of a similar site where to play online?
I miss Harp Horror.
Picked Orcust up when they were released and werent that good.
Then Orcust Knightmare, Dingirsu and Crescendo were released and made it meta.
Our store has an annual event where the meta isnt allowed so Orcust was suddenly not playable.
Holy shoot. I stop playing the game before rulers and I never understood why they are banned until this video. A few more rulers card and they could had been tier 0
As someone who doesn’t even play yugioh, I always wondered what made them so powerful. This definitely explains why they had to get banned lol
yknow something they could always do for the dragon rulers is what a lot of other card games do, that's "choice restriction" where in this case, all dragon rulers could be limited, but you can only include one in your deck. Vanguard and WiXoss do this and it's been very helpful in balancing the metagame.
Funny enough, yugioh duel links has a system like this but the tcg doesnt
@@williamdrum9899 no it's very different.
so basically, each card, in likely addition to some other conditions(say, make every effect that effects your own cards specify [attribute] dragons, and some drawbacks to using them), having them all say "this card cannot be in your deck alongside any other "dragon rulers" cards"?
@@anonymousoff-brand7538 I would make it an official announcement on the website similar to the limited/restricted list that you cannot include more than 1 of any of the listed cards in your deck: And then it would list the four dragon rulers. They could also do this with A bunch of 2-card FTKs like “you can’t include mass driver and substitoad” on the same deck as an example to free up space. Or Samsara lotus because lool loops
@@MomijiHVods honestly, that'd probably be a lot more work to do(and keep up with), than just directly adding it to the cards in quesion.
I totally forgot that the Dragon Rulers bounced themselves at the end of your opponent's turn, because it rarely came up.
yh but it wouldn't matter since they were always used for big eye and that machine card. They were annoying af to counter back in the day
I really like this series keep up the gud work the duellogs
@Callum Coughlin my exact words were i like the series not once did I say this video in particular
I really like the backgrounds matching the cards aesthetic. Just perfect.
Wait, Dragon rulers had a return to the hand effect?
Totally didn't remember that, it just wasn't ever relevant.
Nope, it should be mistake
He intends to say if you return it to hand then the hand effect can be used again
@@jofx4051 no, he’s right. All the Dragons have the effect “During your opponent’s end phase If this card was special summoned return it to the hand”
Dragon Rulers were absolutely insane!
Could never loose advantage is just to good.
Even effect negation does only so much.
And even though Dragon Rulers have limited protection, it doesnt matter.
Still broken.
And the only thing keeping the Dragon Rulers at full power from becoming the most op deck in the game's history, was possably the most powerfull card in all of yugioh.
Spellbook of Judgmemt.
So, let's talk about how fairy tail snow just got unbanned-
Machina Gadgets were underrated in this format, redox, ultimate offering, Lavalval chain, shockmaster, 101, gadgets could EASILY stand up and beat Rulers back then but no-one really played them. My favorite deck :)
I remember in 2013 I went to a regionals where the big decks were dragon rulers, bujin, and evil swarm. I think spell books was as well but almost nobody could afford the deck where I was. I ended up topping with a rank 4 focused harpie deck (pet dragon seemed too inconsistent to me) because the rank 4 pet dragon xyz was just shitting on everybody and nobody planned to harpies with side deck or anything. That was so fun haha
As someone who just got into Yu Gi Oh from video games, thank you for this video. Been trying to learn about which Archtype to play and have been struggling to understand why Dragon Rulers is so good and how it really works, this is very helpful. Btw I'm also looking at Burning Abyss, anyone got videos or guides to share that explain that archtype? I want to learn it too.
The format after the Rulers were put to 1 which was beginning of 2014 I think, was one of the best formats I think we've ever had. There were so many decks being played and while the Rulers were still there they weren't oppressive like they were before, just a good deck along with the others. Still kinda want Tidal back for my Mermails, but it's probably better for it to still be banned.
Cant wait for the episode you explain the Sky Striker cards since they are somewhat recent and saw a lot of play
Dude, I really appreciate all the work you put into this
Harp and salads' horse in a nutshell:
"We had to hit something btw"
I always wondered why Evilswarms were that powerfull around Dragon Rulers and Spellbook times.
But then basically got forgotten.
It was because Evilswarm, while being worse then either, countered both Dragon Rulers and Spellbooks.
As a person who only played back in the anime days where Gemini Elf and Summoned Skull were top tier cards in my school, this type of video is absolutely amazing to watch. So much crazy shit happened with this game.
And you probably don't know what crazy shit is going out now
I'm a history buff, and I'm loving the history of the ban list cards. Keep it up man
You haven't truly played Yu-Gi-Oh until you've gotten ass-blasted by Blaster and Tidal simultaneously.
(un)popular opinion about Dragon Rulers: Only Redox deserves to be banned, the rest can come back since they have been powercrept. Also, I need Blaster back in my Volcanic Deck....
Day 617 of waiting for Good Pyro/Volcanic Support to arrive...
The rest have been powercrept what?? Imagine dagon ruler in every single dragon deck. They can come back MAYBE at 1, and that's probably only for tidal and blaster
Tidal cant come back due to its foolish burial effect, Blaster could come back since hes the worst dragon ruler
@@Chadfill8348 honestly tempest is worse than blaster since wind is a terrible attribute.
@Alex Bergie earth Dragon Ruler. The one that special summon from the GY
They will never make good pyro cards because of rekindling
I've never dueled before but these videos are so chill and interesting that it makes me wanna try at some point. The mechanics seem really cool, I love the variety of summoning methods and archetypes.
Damn, and Fairy Tail - Snow is limited now.
Man I remember Spellbook VS Dragon Ruler days
Crazy how time flies
How can Yata-Garasu be fixed to be unbanned?
You don't. It is responsible for the ban list. It must repent for its sins
to be fair, it and pre-errata Chaos Emperor where the ones who created the forbidden list
unbanned at 3 with no changes now
One of the best Yu-Gi-Oh! channels on RUclips. Great stuff.
Ahh.. those days where you only had original Polymerization, fusion monsters, ritual monsters and main deck monsters/spells/traps.. i know I’m such a boomer... nowdays i have to take classes on how to play haha.. but i love your videos and it’s always fun to learn something new
I always check the ban list every now and then but honestly I didn't know Eclipse Wyvern was banned. I got 1 copy of that card (from Light&Dark structure deck). Really cool looking card, too bad it's banned for being too good.
Same exact story with me. No idea and I got the structure deck. I even play tested wyvern and it never felt strong for me. Still the structure deck was super cool.
@@magicmanscott40k yes, one of my favorites.
the spellbook archetype wasn't released in the same set as dragon rulers, they had been around for a while at that point, it was just that spellbook of judgment made them overpowered
currently don't recall if other spellbooks or prophecy monsters were released along with judgment but of course it was the only one that really mattered then anyways
Part 2 of why the banned spell cards got banned?
Probably splitting them up for variation, might get tiring for him and us if he did all the spells the all traps and all monsters
@@thimbletoe yea he did say that lol. so he can choose to even quit this channel for good. he doesnt have to work hard for all of us lol
I play mermail on the OG legacy of the duelist and holy shit Tidal would be ridiculous.
Throw Trishula in there, and people would leave the building left and right.
I love the idea of this new series. Let's see all the cards!!!
Now i finally understand why dragon rulers are good🤣🤣🤣
Had to come back to this video after seeing all Dragon Rulers at 3 in Master Duel and the OCG and TCG now slowly releasing them.
I used to play Chaos Dragons in 2016 more or less, I stopped playing Yugioh since then, but I found out about your channel and RANK10, and sparkled my wish to play again, imagine my sadness upon seeing that Eclipse Wyvern was banned, what made my deck work in the first place by searching Darkness Metal, summoning dragons along Chaos monsters and winning in one turn...
Fortunately so much support came out to help my deck change for the better, and also leaving this game for few years is a nightmare, I feel like 10 years worth of new cards came out.
One doesn't simply, Theduellogs mention Dragon Ruler without mentioning Spellbook of Judgement
that sucked
I think that if Blaster return, Tidal, and Redox might as well be erased from the game entirely because their effects are not only the strongest of the bunch, but if we had three limited dragon rulers, we would not need the fourth to make this deck work again, and as long as dragon link exists, blaster also needs to stay banned, Tempest is already good there, imagine with a Blaster. It kind of hurts to say that Blaster cannot come back because he has probably my favorite design with Tidal and I would love to use him in salads, but I need to see the bigger picture, and the bigger picture is not pretty.
one of my favorite bits of d ruler lore is when they came out they caused big eye, a card that was considered a “garbage” secret rare no one wanted to pull from their booster boxes, to go from a few dollars tops, to overnight being an $80-90 card. not only were they a strong deck, but with a lot of secret rares you wanted in the extra deck at 3, and super rejuv which was a pretty hard to comeby card, they were a stupidly expensive deck as well. a fully loaded deck bought from singles would be about $700 give or take.
balatro got me into deckbuilding and then i got recommended ur videos and now i've qualified for regionals. funny world we live in
Guys you know this first card is...
Good in volcanic...
BRING IT BACK!!
This is a joke never un ban
You are excellent at explaining all about cards, just keep on making same interesting videos like you do :) I wish you all best and be as you are all the way
I remember when I was younger and the Dragon Ruler tins came out, I didn't even know they were strong but I just wanted the different tins because they looked cool so now I have 2 or 3 different dragon rulers hanging out with all my other Yugioh cards
I didn't play a single competitive game of Yugioh but watched all of your videos to now know what is really strong lol
Who's here after Snow was unbanned?
Being someone who stopped playing Yugioh when synchros were new I never understood what was the big problem with dragon rulers until now and I think it’s going to be a while before we see a second of them gets unbanned
I played Orcust/Phantom Knight deck and called it Phantom of the Orchestra.
It ran really smoothly
I’m just getting back into the card game. I legit just want Dragon Rulers to make a fun to play deck. I don’t do competition play anymore. God I missed a lot
Kinda out of topic but "that grass looks greener" has the best name/art in all Yu-Gi-Oh lmao
Agreed
This has come a long way since the days of pot of greed and kuriboh
To be fair, Pot of Greed would be broken today, given everything that players are ready to do in order to draw two cards.
Yu-Gi-Oh players would sell their organs to draw 2 cards so Pot of Greed is still great
I still think that, if it weren't for Salamangreats, Blaster would have been the one Dragon Ruler they could have brought back. Yes, Tempest has the weakest discard effect, but it also has some of the best targets when it gets banished. The only target for Blaster that anyone played was Flamvell Guard.
Blaster would probably see play in Infernoids
@@baconsir1159 I can sorta see it. Discard Blaster and an Infernoid of your choice to pop a card. Banish 2 Infernoids (and/or a copy or two of Ash Blossom/Gren Maju) from the Graveyard to bring back Blaster, in case you hit the Level cap and can't Summon any more Infernoids and want an extra Link Material. It's not the best use of your resources, but it's a decent extender if you need it.
This series of videos is so cool for someone like me that got into the game in late 2018
Dragon ruler and spell books were so broken and op I'm not even going to waste any more time. You guys already know
"They could use the graveyard as like a second hand"
Me, an MtG player: *nervous sweating*
Yay, finally a new video. I was waiting to watch your video content everyday.
I remember back in the day me and my friend wanted to make a Yubel deck which would make use of samsara lotus as a free tribute every turn, we never got around to it unfortunately.
God playing against this deck was cancer. But so was playing against Prophecy lol
how to fix Fairy Tail - Snow: don't let its effect to flip an opponent's monster face down activate on special summon
Nah, it’s still a lot of bodies. I’d say making it hard once per turn would be better
1 word: HOPT
Honestly, the best way I can see Dragon Rulers being unbannable would be if they errata them and add a "(This card's name becomes "Dragon Ruler".)" condition to all 4 Dragon Rulers, the same as Harpie Lady. That way you can only play up to 3 copies (or less if they're limited) of all the Dragon Rulers in total.
Normally this isn't recommended if they are supposed to be an archetype, but as TheDuelLogs said, Dragon Ruler is just a series or sort.
I think DuelLogs' changelist for the Dragon Rulers would change them too much. Slapping the tag "You can only use 1 "Dragon Ruler" effect per turn, and only once that turn." is healthier for them to exist.
Thanks for the insightful video too, I really want to see Dragon Rulers back into the game in a healthier state!
Another option for weakening Redox's Reborn effect could just be to restrict that he could only summon Earth or Dragon monsters. Still pretty powerful but at least it has some limits.
"Dragon Rulers are the strongest deck to never reach tier 0 status" - c'mon. We all know they were tier 0, at least in spirit.
Bring back all dragon rulers to 1 just to see what happens
Ahhh i like to see the world burn as well.
Honestly, I'd love to see a format that bans FTK and infinites, but let's everything else run wild. So people can step back, watch the tier 0 decks return, and let them battle.
Just to see what happens.
Ah I as well want more reasons to hate 2020
We're all here just waiting for the episode where you have to explain The Tyrant Neptune, once more. I kind of forget what it does and why it is on the Forbidden and Limited list.
I know I'm late to the video, but I think something that may help the Dragons stay good, without taking away it's repeatability, and would allow all four to get unbanned would be to add "you can only have one Dragon Ruler in your deck" to each of them. I think that combined with them limiting attribute special summons and/or giving up the battle phase or something could work too
Strange that you didn’t just slap Dark Matter in this video lol
He was specifically covering main deck monsters. Dark Matter is coming in the extradeck vid.
I'll give the dragon rulers this much: they are cool as hell and about as 'fair' as broken cards get in yu-gi-oh. If they couldn't special summon themselves from the graveyard (a recurring issue with broken cards), they'd probably be fine at limited.
As someone who plays a Synchro Gishki deck, having a non-grave summonable water Dragon Ruler would be a wet dream. Send a Fishborg Launcher, an Atlantean, or Gishki Abyss to grave to set up my plays? Yes freaking please. With how the game is, even removing the "Summon from grave" wouldn't be able to fix them, even at once per duel. There is just too much that can benefit from the Dragon Rulers as is without utterly gutting the cards.
As someone who enjoys running dark world and yubel in duel links, I thoroughly enjoy using samsara lotus
fairy tail snow was so cool in Orbiter Hydralander decks. Its effect fizzles if you mill cards and end up with more than 1 card of the same name in the GY, but you could chain fairy tail snow to the self mill effect to "fix" your graveyard so you could still resolve the pop a card effect
I imagined Salads with Blaster and felt sick. Also, imagine Redox and Lithosagym in a dino deck. Disgusting
Adamancipator +block dragon + redox imagine the horror
Dino wouldnt even use redox today, godamn casual.
@@trysixtysnipeco Oh yes REVIVING GODAMN vannilas, why is everyone so fking bad, in Adamatia any GODAMN earth you revive already used its effect and is effectively vannila so PLUS 1 HOLYYYYY , and Druler aint a rock, IT isnt the worst tech BUT FAR FROMMMM THE HORRRRRRRRRROR OH NOOO.
Salad with blaster is meh, if they can choose something to get unbanned it Will be staillo. And Dino with more bricks isn't even that good(lothogasym+diagram, redox). They are much more consistent and stronger right now, why would you add more bricks just to get meager +1 at best?
9:16 i remember seeing a type of dragon that looked like tempest in a tv show called max steel.
edit: for fairy tail snow, remove the effect for it to be special summoned, banish cards face-down, once per duel.
“Remove the effect for it to be special summoned”
You mean the only reason to play it?
@@baconsir1159 kinda, i mean like you can only normal summon it and it's a once per duel effect
Just a amazing content. Keep up.
I like pretty much all your videos but I really like this series because I played the game when it came out but then took a 10+yr hiatus and now I'm back and I really dig these super insightful videos