This is just a metaphor about how you have a half-hour long tense standoff with the cockroach waiting for it to poke its head back out so you can spray it with lysol again
@@codyrahm6979 in fact that's a cockroach. other cards like "flying C" or "confronting the C" show this better. apart in the original Japanese "G" (from Gokiburi = cockroach) is used instead of "C"
And it's incredible how well explained and in depth it all was, I am seriously sending this to one of my friends to help him get better at the game and pose more of a challenge. Seriously, it's so fun to play with my friends who do not ever run any hand traps or disruption, I can just out combo them everytime, especially considering that I have an excellent track record at rock-paper-scissor lol, as I understand card advantage and how to use the staples better than them and don't have to limit my consistency by thinking of their own negate and combo too much ........ But I still wish for them to improve(and they slowly do). Winning is nice and all but since I had only like 2 losses in the last two months (one being me surrendering turn 1 after realizing I chose the wrong deck and the second one was me messing up at one point in my combo and getting finished instead of doing a full blown OTK) it just gets a bit boring after a while, so I really appreciate that a freaking April Fool's video of all things is that good that it can legitimately help my friend. Sorry for the long read
Are you referring to the little text in the corner that's a very easy joke to miss and I'm going to stop a woooosh before it happens Edit:and I got woooshed THIS HAS HAPPEND TWICE TODAY
The biggest surprise was that he eventually came back to talking about Maxx "C" By the time he got to Appointer of the Red Lotus, I thought the joke would be that he would keep on straying further and further away from it until he forgot what he was talking about entirely.
Bro legit i was watching this high as fuck and stopped cause i thought i was too high and didnt realize he moved on to the next card in the video after Maxxx “C”
@@bulletflight Agreed. enforcing a special summon limit would probably slow down the game to early synchro or early Xyz era (minus stuff like turbo-ing out quasar) , without making it straight up boring. It would also be refreshing as it would shake up the format by penalising combo decks, which would effectively raise more varied decks without actually buffing them. Hell, maybe it would create a control heavy format, which would suck, but since a lot of control decks focus on restricting special summons, maybe some other archetypes would see more play. Also, a slower game state may encourage more reliance on stall tactics. Traps would probably see a lot more play, too. Honestly, I'm all for a separate format that restricts special summons, just to see how the game would evolve, kind of like how Cardfight Vanguard has Premium and Standard format.
@@bulletflight It's a blowout against combo decks, but control and midrange decks play just fine under Maxx "C". If Maxx "C" gets unbanned then it must go to 3. It doesn't do the game justice if it's legal at a number lower than 3 because it becomes polarizing if both players don't have a good chance of drawing it in their opening hand. I used to hate Maxx "C", but I realized how vital it is to the game. Late 2018 had extra linking, Gumblar Dragon hand looping, Danger Dark World FTK, Slash Draw FTK, Gem Knight FTK, 5 material Rhongomyniad and maybe a few more things I can't think of at the moment. Even though the game currently doesn't have as many problems as it used to during the late 2018 formats, Maxx "C" is the best card to make sure things don't get too crazy.
@@CallMeNevermore of course to many, combo is a natural evolution of he very essence of yugioh. I've always played control strategies or goofy gimmicks and I remember having the urge to apologize to combo players as they maxx c'd my normal summon of tour guide... only for me to special summon sangan, go into whatever rank 3 fit the mood, and then set 4 backrow and passed
Yeah, it might be an April Fool's joke to go way above and beyond, but I think it's a really good introduction for newer players into how serious Yugioh players build their decks
Tecnically, every strategy game is a "Cost Benefit Analysis". From Yu-Gi-Oh to Starcraft, AoE, Dota2, etc. Meta in all of those games is always looking for the most powerful but still eficient way to win.
Funny how when Maxx C got unlimited in Master Duel there were indeed two kinds of players: The ones that respected the Maxx C effect and the ones that took the challenge and tried to deck out the opponent
Master Duel happens to be the reason I came back to watch this. :P It's been my main experience with actually playing so I got curious about the whys of why it's banned in one format and not the other, and how it shapes the meta game.
@@AkaAkoVT It's indeed interesting. I'm so used to TCG that sometimes it baffled me when I see OCG meta deck. Like how they usually bring a ton of backrow removal and 1 random Nibiru in their sidedeck. Now that I l've experienced MD (which is IMO closer to OCG), now almost everything suddenly makes sense.
Spoiler if you respect maxx c and dont summon there is a high chance you get otk'd and if you try the maxx c chalenge you are gonna suffer with the handtraps or probably die for nibiru
Unironically Maxx C is the reason no-banlist and traditional format aren't all FTKs as people commonly imagine. The meta is actually control/midrange with 15+ handtraps (followed by True Draco because it ignores Maxx C and Nib, and can play all the broken floodgates).
A friend of mine thought Maxx "C" should be unlimited and people could still play combo decks. I just made a small change to my control deck, adding triple Maxx "C". This friend regrets those words.
That's always the most practical way of showing your point. Congrats, I can only imagine the looks of anguish on your friends face when they put two and two together.... well, they were likely putting more than two and two together if they did more combos than that ;)
It's basically an unreactable non-cost instant spell that acts like an enchantment until end of turn. Suffice to say, blue mana players of a certain other TCG would kill to have this kind of power. "Yeah, you got your three monsters, but I just got +3. And one of those cards might just be something I can Raigeki the board with. Have fun."
@@sintheemptyone8108 Not unreactable. In fact, combo decks in the OCG are basically forced to play as many designators, called by the graves and ash blossoms as currently legal due to this card lol.
@@slenderman478 So you can recover from getting Maxx C'd afterwards, but I'm pretty sure you can't reliably counter/negate the effect itself when it activates in the early game.
Its not busted. All these combo players combo off for free especially if they go first. We need some sort of retribution. Ygo is almost whoever goes first wins. So if they wanna summon 20+ times in 1 turn, go ahead but it balances the game
@@lelethemaddenlibrarian2217 it can be used as a second turn player. As a response, thus giving you a free vanity's emptyness or 3x pot of greed. Before your enemy can even play
@@Theonewhoknocks9471 the alternative is letting him set up his board. And its nothing like vanity emptiness. I might draw 16 cards it doesnt gurantee i can get past 8 interruptions anyways. Combo players always big and bad until there isnt a one sided advantage anymore😂
@@lelethemaddenlibrarian2217 dude, if u draw 16 extra cards and you can't break trough 5 negates(most common combo deck negate number) then your deck sucks ass, plus in those 16 cards if you didn't draw any other handtraps then you might go back to the drawing board and update your deck to the 2022 standards.
Its not busted. All these combo players combo off for free especially if they go first. We need some sort of retribution. Ygo is almost whoever goes first wins. So if they wanna summon 20+ times in 1 turn, go ahead but it balances the game
I've watched a lot of your videos, but this one has to be my favorite. Thank you for taking the time to make this. I came into the game after Maxx C was already banned and I've always wondered why it was so popular to talk about.
I started making a time stamp list for this video, mentioning WHY drawing cards is strong, WHY drawing cards is USELESS alone, etc., and gave up by the time DuelLogs looped back around to talking about Maxx "C" again around 8:51. He's too powerful for a mere mortal such as myself.
This still remains, quite possibly the most informative piece of information about Yu-Gi-Oh and some of it's key concepts on the internet. This video was so well done
Maxx C is such an interesting handtrap because it's pretty unique in what it does Unlike the others it doesn't stop your opponent from doing anything, it just creates a pretty intense incentive for them to stop what they want to do It's a psychological negate as opposed to a physical one
I don't think I truly understood how clever this video was the first time I watched it. It starts out perfectly normal with the number 1 and everything talking about Max "C" but it just keeps going, dissecting why cards are banned in general. It's great!
The avarage combo-deck surw special summons a lot, but have you ever tried Flower Cardian? They can easily deckout a 60 Card Deck against Maxx "C" or even Appropriate.
I just watched a 30 minutes video about a card in a game I haven't played in 10 years and found it entertaining. That, my dude, is how much I love your work.
Truth be told, maybe. This man, in 1 video about ONE card, gave an argument, a counterargument, a history lesson, examples, definitions, and explanations. That is college-paper status. Much like Dr. Crowler with his Ph.D in Dueling, TheDuelLogs would probably have a Doctorate of Duel Sciences, with a minor in Dueling History and a minor in Duel Strategy. It is impressive.
@@DynamiteChannelist For real though, Duel Logs' writing skill is great. I think it's one of the main reasons why his channel blew up. His videos are concise and straight to the point, and even non-Yugioh players would have no trouble understanding them.
The decking out option of Maxx C reminded me of when I managed to do a friend of mine. He was playing full power Dragon Rulers with Maxx C while I was using my Madolches. All I had to do was continue special summoning rather than going full combo with my starters and manage Chateaus to reset my deck / GY over and over. Examples like this are why I fell in love with the deck
You know what I think a good way to balance Maxx "C" would be for it to special summon itself to the field and have its draw effect be a continuous effect that only applies whilst maxx "c" is on the field. This way your opponent could actually play around it somewhat by going into knightmare cerberus or something
I was ENTHRALLED by this video! Getting back into Yugioh from like... the perspective of someone who likes lore and games but has no interest in becoming a player, it's been hard to grasp WHY yugioh looks how it does in modern day, but these videos have been so good at making those decisions much more apparent, and also informing how the game shape looks the way it does, especially with key cards like this one!
This was an excellent explanation of card advantage for older YGO players thank u. I would fix it to say "draw 1 card (max 3) when your opponent special summons" this way you only end up with 2 cards on card advantage instead of 20.
Coming back to this video after Duel Masters release, where Maxx C is legal at 3 copies. And I have to say, that singular card surely is shaping the entire meta there.
Well that's because OCG have it a 3 and Master Duel is based on the OCG. That's why you should always bring negates like Crossout Designator and Ash Blossom/Ghost Belle yourself in order to counter it
Make it so you cannot activate cards from the hand for the rest of the turn, and during the end phase you shuffle cards to the deck until you have the same amount you had before activating Maxx C. It would still be great (maybe better than pot of prosperity) but wouldn’t really be devastating for the opponent and keeps a neutral card advantage.
Alright here's my fix for Maxx "C". The wording is a bit clunky, but it gurantees Max "C" goes hand neutral at best: During either player's turn: You can send this card from your hand to the Graveyard; this turn, the first time your opponent Special Summons a monster(s), immediately draw 1 card, then, each time your opponent Special Summons an additional monster(s), immediately draw 1 card and if you do shuffle 1 card from your hand into the deck. You can only use 1 "Maxx "C"" per turn. So the punishment for pushing through Max "C" isn't card advantage, it's a perfectly tailored starting hand. Turn player can evaluate if they think they can beat a perfect hand with combo or to stop combo at any point to make the odds of a perfect hand less likely after 0-3 more special summons. I'm not sure how balanced the decision making would ultimately be, but it has a lot more nuance versus the choice of none or all as it currently is.
I was think of maybe just limiting it to like 3 draws or something along those lines. Maybe you have to discard a second card alongside max c to activate its effect. But your idea seems really great.
This would make Maxx c reasonable. In its current state it breaks formats and resitrcts deck building to all decks besides control who don't care anyways.
How much play does Magical Mallet see, going -1 for an 80% redraw?. Trying to drastically limit the card advantage the card provides kinda defeats it’s purpose. A lot of Errata fixes the “broken” aspect of a card, but only at the cost of ensuring the card is never played again competitively. Brionac was hot stuff when it could return YOURS *or* your opponents cards for a 1 discard/1 return ratio, then it was changed into a 6-star reusable Compulsory Evacuation: The Monster, and it vanished into the same Ignore Box where 400 ATK/500 DEF 4-star Normal Monsters go to rot.
@@shawnpanzegraf5642 I don’t think magical mallet is a fair comparison, the max c change isn’t a minus one, it only has the replace effect on summons 2+. There’s also a difference between magical malleting 5 cards to draw 5, vs draw 1 replace 1 5 times as your odds of having cards you want in your hand doing it 5 separate times is significantly higher than just drawing 5 random cards all at once.
This reminds me of a card in MtG named "Consecrated Sphinx." It's got a static effect where, whenever an opponent draws a card, you may draw two cards. Literally every time your opponent draws, you can make double their resource generation for free, while also being in the colour that has the most spell interaction. It's very much like what's described here; you can use your opponent's plays to draw into responses and just overpower with advantage off a single card.
Joke or not I found this rather enjoyable and would love to see more excessively in depth card discussions. Oh and in regards to how I would balance Max c. I'd probably go with a trap trick style restriction where you can only activate say... 2 more card effects for the rest of the turn after resolving Max c
Making you have to reveal a different named insect would be a good way to balance it, the only problem with that is insects having a good archetype breaks that, but you'd also have to be playing a insect monster mash, so might work
Actual Title: Explaining Maxx "C" and card advanatge. Great and helpful video. Erratta suggestion: After your opp special summons a monster(s) discard Maxx C then apply its eff. So you don't immediately go +1 cuz you can't chain to the activation, you only activate after the summon happens (similar to Chaos Hunter). Your Dragoon combo would result in +1 for Maxx C player instead of +2. Or, if we apply this condition + a discard cost then it would only break even.
it'll never be hit. the TCG meta _needs_ Nibiru otherwise combo decks are to powerful (and there will never be a modern TCG control deck that lasts more than 1 format)
@@j0anbug by hit I mean something like a semi limit for 1 format. and again I wouldn't be surprised if it never got hit, it's just one of those cards that nobody would be surprised is on the list for a format
Crazy video. I feel like I can show this to someone who doesn’t play like me and they’d get more info about that game in general from this than any one video.
Creeps me out that my old casual deck looked like a bad version of the 2002 Champ deck lol, I never owned Raigeki, Jinzo or a few other cards but I agree that you can tell how ubiquitous OP cards were when my casual deck was most of a Champ deck lol
Loved what you said at the end about deck homogenization. Even if you don't love archetypal play, it's way more interesting than just summoning 1900 ATK monsters and sacrificing them for Jinzo and stuff like that
My personal change to MaxxC: "draw 1 card ,then place 1 card in you hand on the bottom of your deck." This way you still get to go through your deck and build your best go second hand, but you only have 5 cards to do so.
My change would be something like “ draw 1 card each time your opponent special summons a monster, when you control cards equal to the number of cards you started with the turn this card was activated apply this cards second effect ( each time you draw a card by this cards effect banish 1 card from your hand face down. )
That way you can still get decked out, and if you activated this card when you had 3 in your hand it stays at 3 in your hand if it was when you had 5 in your hand it’ll stay at 5 in your hand since each time you draw a card after the number of cards you had before max C was summoned you’re forced to banish a card face down. You dont go plus off of its effect only card neutral and you could also end up banishing cards face down that you really wouldn’t want to banish. So let’s say you had a card you didn’t really need for your current hand because in order to even make it useful you’d need another certain card for it so you banished it face down but if you do end up drawing that other card you just lost a good combo starter and your hand might’ve actually been better if you hadn’t banished it and waited. But if you were hoping to draw that second card so you decided not to banish the first one in hopes of starting that combo on the next turn you essentially have to banish other useful cards instead and if you don’t draw that second card that you need you might’ve had a better hand if you DID banish it instead. You essentially have to carefully pick and choose what cards you don’t mind losing and since they aren’t being returned to your deck you can’t just use them later from the deck by a card activation that would draw it for you or special summon it for you. You can also activate cards while you’re drawing them if you can in order to not have to banish it but that would require you to have multiple hand traps which even if you do the moment your opponent ends their turn you went from being hand neutral with a very good hand for turn 2 to counter your opponents powerful board to now having one less card than what you started with before max C which sure you negated an effect but it’s still playable around it especially when they’ve set up a good board already. If they did this they’d easily make turn 2 players have better turns since they can now have much better hands to deal with whatever unbreakable board your opponent made turn 1 but they wouldn’t have 20 cards in their hand ready to just insta win against their opponent. Even if the card is still used a lot I think it’d be as allowed as things like pot of extravagance are where sure tons play it and it’s useful but the cost makes it balanced enough to the point where it’s allowable and actually keeps spam metas in check and makes it a lot more fun to go up against turn 1 beefy boards since you’re gonna start off with a very good hand.
To be fair. Having over 20 summons is not that fun because the opponent will always have a negate. I see this as punishing greedy plays with their own medicine
As a competitive magic player, it kind of feels like Maxx C resembles Force of Will as you have to run it to have a chance against control. Ofc there's a lot of differences here since to me Yugioh is more combo oriented. So I can see how powerful this effect is
sounds like a good idea, only giving half of the draw power for the other player. Personally, I'd make it so that you can only activate it if you have no cards on your field.
I'm thinking of a rule change of limiting how many cards can be in your hand. When you have the maximum amount, you have to banish one card from your hand first before adding that card or drawing a card.
I would change Maxx C to where it special summons itself to the field similar to Retaliating C. You would still get draws as long as it remained on the field. So your opponent would be forced to give up their battle phase if they wanted to out the card. I think that would make it way healthier than the lingering effect it currently has.
I think if you changed the effect of MAX C by adding a downside that states “you cannot use any of the cards that you draw through this effect until the end of the turn this card is played”. It would make it so you weren’t banking on the hand traps you’re drawing, but it would still be very good to set you up for later turns.
Yeah, but think about a cost like "banish one card from your hand, face down" But I think that its useless to try to balance a card like this one, im playing master duel and I think it would be broken as hell even with the -1
27:30 I think the discard wouldn't fix Maxx "C". Instead, I would say the user not being able to activate any other effects that turn would be a lot more fair. When Maxx "C" was legal, there weren't as many hand traps available. Like in Dragon Ruler format, the only other hand trap used was Effect Veiler, since Ghost Ogre wasn't released until 2015. Now there are a lot more cards like Dark Ruler No More.
Alternatively: Instead of giving Maxx "C" the ability to be reactive to everything, you errata it to require a condition like Appropriate. Appropriate is a really good card. Anytime your opponent draws a card, you draw 2 cards. It's a really good trap card that would have seen a lot of play. ... the only issue is, the requirement to activating Appropriate is to have your opponent draw a card. At first upon reading Appropriate, you think "Well they activate Pot of Greed, I flip Appropriate before or after they draw, and I'll just draw two cards myself." But that's not how Appropriate works. You must first let your opponent draw cards to meet the condition to just activate Appropriate. Now that it's face-up, you now draw cards if your opponent continues to draw AFTER Appropriate is active. Consider Appropriate one of those cards that is more of a penalty or warning for your opponent. It's a check to say: "Hey, I see what you're doing. Try not to do it too much." If you errata Maxx "C" to be similar, it could be only activated after your opponent Special Summons a monster. No discard cost necessary, although it wouldn't hurt to give it one as well if you feel the need to extra nerf it. At that point, it is a warning/penalty to your opponent. "Hey, I'm now negative 1 or 2 in card advantage, but if you continue with your plays, I may go plus for the rest of the turn."
I like that errata, it also makes it sort of similar to Droll & Lock Bird who stops cards from being drawn *after* the draw (not including draw phase of course)
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It is incredible how you can make a video of half an hour about a card based on a cockroach hidden in your house
This is just a metaphor about how you have a half-hour long tense standoff with the cockroach waiting for it to poke its head back out so you can spray it with lysol again
It is shiny black quad unit not a cockroach
@@codyrahm6979 in fact that's a cockroach.
other cards like "flying C" or "confronting the C" show this better. apart in the original Japanese "G" (from Gokiburi = cockroach) is used instead of "C"
It's also incredible how he was able to make it so interesting to listen to
And it's incredible how well explained and in depth it all was, I am seriously sending this to one of my friends to help him get better at the game and pose more of a challenge.
Seriously, it's so fun to play with my friends who do not ever run any hand traps or disruption, I can just out combo them everytime, especially considering that I have an excellent track record at rock-paper-scissor lol, as I understand card advantage and how to use the staples better than them and don't have to limit my consistency by thinking of their own negate and combo too much ........ But I still wish for them to improve(and they slowly do).
Winning is nice and all but since I had only like 2 losses in the last two months (one being me surrendering turn 1 after realizing I chose the wrong deck and the second one was me messing up at one point in my combo and getting finished instead of doing a full blown OTK) it just gets a bit boring after a while, so I really appreciate that a freaking April Fool's video of all things is that good that it can legitimately help my friend.
Sorry for the long read
Theduellogs: makes a half an hour video to explain why maxx c is banned
OCG: we don't do that here
Are you referring to the little text in the corner that's a very easy joke to miss and I'm going to stop a woooosh before it happens
Edit:and I got woooshed THIS HAS HAPPEND TWICE TODAY
Lol
Also OCG: Lets print cards whose sole job is to hit Maxx C (Looking at u Crossout Designator)
I personally find the OCG banlist to make much more sense than the TCG's.
@@catisreckless4647 same
The biggest surprise was that he eventually came back to talking about Maxx "C" By the time he got to Appointer of the Red Lotus, I thought the joke would be that he would keep on straying further and further away from it until he forgot what he was talking about entirely.
7uyyy
"Professionals have standards."
-the Sniper, 'Meet the Sniper'
Straying off further in a conversation until you forget what you're talking about? Basically me during my rants and longer conversations.
Bro legit i was watching this high as fuck and stopped cause i thought i was too high and didnt realize he moved on to the next card in the video after Maxxx “C”
This mad man just did a college thesis on a damm singular yugioh card
I mean, you can unironically open an University based on the game alone, not surprising at all
@@nodeberiaestaraqui93 Mmmmmmmm or an academy.
@@mystictomato9466
Maybe build it on an Island? One with an active volcano?
@@totalwartimelapses6359
Nah that's way too outlandish. You'd have to be some rich asshole with a Blue-Eyes fetish to even consider that
And you’d need the military in order to transport the rare cards
After 5 minutes, I didn't even question why he was still randomly talking about UCT.
Duelogs secretly a Dino player confirmed!?
Vsauce style
Duellog and Don juan name both starts with D so they are probably the same person with a split personality or sth
Let me guess: You never had problems with hitting a wordcount for essays
Lamo did you see his livestream yesterday? He finished half of this video last night.
@@Direk091 Again, he never had problems reaching word counts. I know for a fact I do that exact thing.
This started out explaining why maxx c is banned and now he’s expecting me to read misc
The audacity of this youngster!
@@dansen2292 lul
To this day no one has read misc
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not even the government can force me to read misc
That Maxx “C” explanation felt like a whole textbook.
Duel Log's April Fools prank: use one card to explain multiple cards
It'd just be him talking about Halqifibrax for 15 mins
@@OseiTheWarriors I think he already did that in one of the other episodes lol
@@maxmaarleveld2888 it was the first or second episode of this series... And it stated that it was that card and its friends HAHAHAHAHA
@@OseiTheWarriors haha didn't think of that
I don’t even think this is an April fools joke anymore, this feels like a vendetta against Maxx “C”
Also how competitive Yugioh works. Actually neat tutorial hidden behind a vendetta.
@@bulletflight Agreed. enforcing a special summon limit would probably slow down the game to early synchro or early Xyz era (minus stuff like turbo-ing out quasar) , without making it straight up boring. It would also be refreshing as it would shake up the format by penalising combo decks, which would effectively raise more varied decks without actually buffing them. Hell, maybe it would create a control heavy format, which would suck, but since a lot of control decks focus on restricting special summons, maybe some other archetypes would see more play. Also, a slower game state may encourage more reliance on stall tactics. Traps would probably see a lot more play, too. Honestly, I'm all for a separate format that restricts special summons, just to see how the game would evolve, kind of like how Cardfight Vanguard has Premium and Standard format.
@@bulletflight It's a blowout against combo decks, but control and midrange decks play just fine under Maxx "C". If Maxx "C" gets unbanned then it must go to 3. It doesn't do the game justice if it's legal at a number lower than 3 because it becomes polarizing if both players don't have a good chance of drawing it in their opening hand. I used to hate Maxx "C", but I realized how vital it is to the game. Late 2018 had extra linking, Gumblar Dragon hand looping, Danger Dark World FTK, Slash Draw FTK, Gem Knight FTK, 5 material Rhongomyniad and maybe a few more things I can't think of at the moment. Even though the game currently doesn't have as many problems as it used to during the late 2018 formats, Maxx "C" is the best card to make sure things don't get too crazy.
@@CallMeNevermore of course to many, combo is a natural evolution of he very essence of yugioh. I've always played control strategies or goofy gimmicks and I remember having the urge to apologize to combo players as they maxx c'd my normal summon of tour guide... only for me to special summon sangan, go into whatever rank 3 fit the mood, and then set 4 backrow and passed
@@Shay96 Fortunately, we still at least have Summon Limit. Remember the days when it was practically a joke card?
This video embodies my ADHD. Talk about one thing, and it branches. Forever.
My wife gets annoyed that I do this, then I randomly jump back to the original topic and then can't remember what I was talking about.
@@omega5040 my girlfriend always wants to slap me when I do it.
@@omega5040 When my girlfriend does that I usually am the one who can't remember what we were talking about, so she ends up geting annoyed
Oh u do that too?
This is actually his school essay for Duel Academy
More like his PhD in Maxx "C", lmao.
@@YGOkid8 PhDs are longer than this.
@@hhaavvvvii Same energy 😗
that is unironicly one of your best videos ever made.
Yeah, it might be an April Fool's joke to go way above and beyond, but I think it's a really good introduction for newer players into how serious Yugioh players build their decks
Agreed, I love this kind of detail and respect the amount of research that goes into it
The triple SSS tier killed me
I read this comment as he did it and bust up laughing
@@frozenbinarystudio lol
So basically this is the Yu-Gi-Oh version of the business model known as: "Cost Benefit Analysis"
that's all YGO really is.
Just econ and finance lol
Tecnically, every strategy game is a "Cost Benefit Analysis". From Yu-Gi-Oh to Starcraft, AoE, Dota2, etc.
Meta in all of those games is always looking for the most powerful but still eficient way to win.
Resource management in a nutshell
I love how this is half a joke and half not
Much more nuanced, I like it
This is what they learned in Duel Academy
this is actually a good presentation that surely can be used in there
Crowler would be proud
This was genuinely great. I didn't even know it was April fools until I hit the comments.
Funny how when Maxx C got unlimited in Master Duel there were indeed two kinds of players: The ones that respected the Maxx C effect and the ones that took the challenge and tried to deck out the opponent
Make an exodia deck. The win by default
Master Duel happens to be the reason I came back to watch this. :P
It's been my main experience with actually playing so I got curious about the whys of why it's banned in one format and not the other, and how it shapes the meta game.
@@AkaAkoVT It's indeed interesting. I'm so used to TCG that sometimes it baffled me when I see OCG meta deck. Like how they usually bring a ton of backrow removal and 1 random Nibiru in their sidedeck.
Now that I l've experienced MD (which is IMO closer to OCG), now almost everything suddenly makes sense.
Spoiler if you respect maxx c and dont summon there is a high chance you get otk'd and if you try the maxx c chalenge you are gonna suffer with the handtraps or probably die for nibiru
@@thearrivalcyberseignister8898 or you could just set up more traps and effects for defense instead of just playing solitare
I just imagined him writing the script and laughing randomly when putting the six shinobi on screen for the 5th time
Lmao the description !😂😂😂😂
"-The List-
1-0:00 (intro)
2-0:12 (Maxx C)
3-
4- "
Lul
After watching this, I’m not sure if Max “C” is good or bad. You should’ve gone in to more detail
Yeah, what does it do again?
@@napstab100k probably something dumb and useless, like draw 2 cards
@@roninrowen wait isn’t that pot of greed? Or is that pot of duality… this video, I don’t know ANYTHING ANYMORE!!
Unironically Maxx C is the reason no-banlist and traditional format aren't all FTKs as people commonly imagine. The meta is actually control/midrange with 15+ handtraps (followed by True Draco because it ignores Maxx C and Nib, and can play all the broken floodgates).
A friend of mine thought Maxx "C" should be unlimited and people could still play combo decks. I just made a small change to my control deck, adding triple Maxx "C". This friend regrets those words.
That's always the most practical way of showing your point. Congrats, I can only imagine the looks of anguish on your friends face when they put two and two together.... well, they were likely putting more than two and two together if they did more combos than that ;)
It's basically an unreactable non-cost instant spell that acts like an enchantment until end of turn. Suffice to say, blue mana players of a certain other TCG would kill to have this kind of power.
"Yeah, you got your three monsters, but I just got +3. And one of those cards might just be something I can Raigeki the board with. Have fun."
@@sintheemptyone8108 Not unreactable. In fact, combo decks in the OCG are basically forced to play as many designators, called by the graves and ash blossoms as currently legal due to this card lol.
@@slenderman478 So you can recover from getting Maxx C'd afterwards, but I'm pretty sure you can't reliably counter/negate the effect itself when it activates in the early game.
@@sintheemptyone8108 Ash, Called by and Designator negate it. Like I said.
This is legitimately one of the best explanations of card economy in card games I've ever seen
Love the fact that you had to dedicate 1/3 of the video just explaining card advantage to get to the real reason Maxx C is/was so f-ing busted
Its not busted. All these combo players combo off for free especially if they go first. We need some sort of retribution. Ygo is almost whoever goes first wins. So if they wanna summon 20+ times in 1 turn, go ahead but it balances the game
@@lelethemaddenlibrarian2217 it can be used as a second turn player. As a response, thus giving you a free vanity's emptyness or 3x pot of greed. Before your enemy can even play
@@Theonewhoknocks9471 the alternative is letting him set up his board. And its nothing like vanity emptiness. I might draw 16 cards it doesnt gurantee i can get past 8 interruptions anyways. Combo players always big and bad until there isnt a one sided advantage anymore😂
@@lelethemaddenlibrarian2217 dude, if u draw 16 extra cards and you can't break trough 5 negates(most common combo deck negate number) then your deck sucks ass, plus in those 16 cards if you didn't draw any other handtraps then you might go back to the drawing board and update your deck to the 2022 standards.
@@jlahalo5103 and if u dont let us drsw we cant beat the 5 negates. It balances the game
Thank you TheDuelLogs, I never knew I needed a 30min analysis on one card.
I was looking forward to the Maxx "C" vid; it did not disappoint.
If April Fools content was more like this it'd be well worth the shenanigans.
This is by far the best video I've seen in explaining how gaining a plus and getting advantage works
Me after 5 minutes after maxx-c intro : what was maxx-c again ?
I love that Duel Logs explained Pot of Greed
I love how he spent 9 minutes just to get into why Maxx C is so busted
28 minutes
Its not busted. All these combo players combo off for free especially if they go first. We need some sort of retribution. Ygo is almost whoever goes first wins. So if they wanna summon 20+ times in 1 turn, go ahead but it balances the game
Nah you completely wrong, that’s why hand traps exist
Anything that doesnt let u get 10 megates is somehow busted.....
@@lelethemaddenlibrarian2217 no at that point you’re just looking for something Ban Worthy like the very fun dragon full lockdown
Hahahaha Duel logs actually did the video that Cimooo said would probably do.
That's why I prefer this series over the other one.
"Not every deck wants to play Forbidden Droplet", more like not everyone is willing to pay $100 for one shiny cardboard boi. Love the video btw.
5 minutes later
Me: Wait i thought i was watching banned card explanation o.o
I've watched a lot of your videos, but this one has to be my favorite. Thank you for taking the time to make this. I came into the game after Maxx C was already banned and I've always wondered why it was so popular to talk about.
He spent 30 minutes explaining Maxx C and I’ve never been happier
He spent 24 minutes explaining Maxx C and 6 minutes explaining ultimate conductor tyranno
I started making a time stamp list for this video, mentioning WHY drawing cards is strong, WHY drawing cards is USELESS alone, etc., and gave up by the time DuelLogs looped back around to talking about Maxx "C" again around 8:51. He's too powerful for a mere mortal such as myself.
This still remains, quite possibly the most informative piece of information about Yu-Gi-Oh and some of it's key concepts on the internet. This video was so well done
Maxx C is such an interesting handtrap because it's pretty unique in what it does
Unlike the others it doesn't stop your opponent from doing anything, it just creates a pretty intense incentive for them to stop what they want to do
It's a psychological negate as opposed to a physical one
I don't think I truly understood how clever this video was the first time I watched it. It starts out perfectly normal with the number 1 and everything talking about Max "C" but it just keeps going, dissecting why cards are banned in general. It's great!
The avarage combo-deck surw special summons a lot, but have you ever tried Flower Cardian? They can easily deckout a 60 Card Deck against Maxx "C" or even Appropriate.
Thank you so much for not doing an april fools video and giving me something to actually watch today
Your welcome!
@@TheDuelLogs When you want to say "you are", you should use "you're"
Thank you for explaining what Pot of Greed does in so much detail. Hopefully I don't forget what it does next time I see it.
I forgot this was a maxx "C' video halfway after listening to 5min of why Ultimate Conductor Tyrano is good.
I just watched a 30 minutes video about a card in a game I haven't played in 10 years and found it entertaining. That, my dude, is how much I love your work.
This video is enough to give you a PhD in Yu-Gi-Oh
Crowler has entered the chat.
Truth be told, maybe.
This man, in 1 video about ONE card, gave an argument, a counterargument, a history lesson, examples, definitions, and explanations.
That is college-paper status.
Much like Dr. Crowler with his Ph.D in Dueling, TheDuelLogs would probably have a Doctorate of Duel Sciences, with a minor in Dueling History and a minor in Duel Strategy.
It is impressive.
@@DynamiteChannelist guys, I think we found our Teacher for the revamped Duel Academy!
@@DynamiteChannelist For real though, Duel Logs' writing skill is great. I think it's one of the main reasons why his channel blew up. His videos are concise and straight to the point, and even non-Yugioh players would have no trouble understanding them.
Please do the funniest cards ever list
Like?
Number 1: Fiend Comedian. He funneh.
Little D "I wonder why he's so angry"
Top 10 cutest normal monsters
as someone who watches these videos without having ever actually played yu gi oh. this was actually useful thank you skndksndn
The quick tier list show was a great idea
The decking out option of Maxx C reminded me of when I managed to do a friend of mine. He was playing full power Dragon Rulers with Maxx C while I was using my Madolches. All I had to do was continue special summoning rather than going full combo with my starters and manage Chateaus to reset my deck / GY over and over. Examples like this are why I fell in love with the deck
I wasn't sure whether or not this was an april fools joke until you unironically explained to us what pot of greed does
You know what I think a good way to balance Maxx "C" would be for it to special summon itself to the field and have its draw effect be a continuous effect that only applies whilst maxx "c" is on the field. This way your opponent could actually play around it somewhat by going into knightmare cerberus or something
This or a draw cap of 2 would fix the card
Maxx C: Exists
TheDuelLogs: And I took that personally
I was ENTHRALLED by this video! Getting back into Yugioh from like... the perspective of someone who likes lore and games but has no interest in becoming a player, it's been hard to grasp WHY yugioh looks how it does in modern day, but these videos have been so good at making those decisions much more apparent, and also informing how the game shape looks the way it does, especially with key cards like this one!
This was an excellent explanation of card advantage for older YGO players thank u.
I would fix it to say "draw 1 card (max 3) when your opponent special summons" this way you only end up with 2 cards on card advantage instead of 20.
Coming back to this video after Duel Masters release, where Maxx C is legal at 3 copies. And I have to say, that singular card surely is shaping the entire meta there.
Well that's because OCG have it a 3 and Master Duel is based on the OCG.
That's why you should always bring negates like Crossout Designator and Ash Blossom/Ghost Belle yourself in order to counter it
Even though I don't play Yugioh, this was an extremely interesting video to watch from a design stand point - thanks for the insight!
Make it so you cannot activate cards from the hand for the rest of the turn, and during the end phase you shuffle cards to the deck until you have the same amount you had before activating Maxx C. It would still be great (maybe better than pot of prosperity) but wouldn’t really be devastating for the opponent and keeps a neutral card advantage.
Wow, I sure hope Maxx C will not come back in any modern Yu Gi Oh game :)
For an April fools(?) video this is very well made
Alright here's my fix for Maxx "C". The wording is a bit clunky, but it gurantees Max "C" goes hand neutral at best:
During either player's turn: You can send this card from your hand to the Graveyard; this turn, the first time your opponent Special Summons a monster(s), immediately draw 1 card, then, each time your opponent Special Summons an additional monster(s), immediately draw 1 card and if you do shuffle 1 card from your hand into the deck. You can only use 1 "Maxx "C"" per turn.
So the punishment for pushing through Max "C" isn't card advantage, it's a perfectly tailored starting hand. Turn player can evaluate if they think they can beat a perfect hand with combo or to stop combo at any point to make the odds of a perfect hand less likely after 0-3 more special summons. I'm not sure how balanced the decision making would ultimately be, but it has a lot more nuance versus the choice of none or all as it currently is.
I was think of maybe just limiting it to like 3 draws or something along those lines. Maybe you have to discard a second card alongside max c to activate its effect.
But your idea seems really great.
This would make Maxx c reasonable. In its current state it breaks formats and resitrcts deck building to all decks besides control who don't care anyways.
How much play does Magical Mallet see, going -1 for an 80% redraw?. Trying to drastically limit the card advantage the card provides kinda defeats it’s purpose. A lot of Errata fixes the “broken” aspect of a card, but only at the cost of ensuring the card is never played again competitively. Brionac was hot stuff when it could return YOURS *or* your opponents cards for a 1 discard/1 return ratio, then it was changed into a 6-star reusable Compulsory Evacuation: The Monster, and it vanished into the same Ignore Box where 400 ATK/500 DEF 4-star Normal Monsters go to rot.
@@shawnpanzegraf5642 I don’t think magical mallet is a fair comparison, the max c change isn’t a minus one, it only has the replace effect on summons 2+. There’s also a difference between magical malleting 5 cards to draw 5, vs draw 1 replace 1 5 times as your odds of having cards you want in your hand doing it 5 separate times is significantly higher than just drawing 5 random cards all at once.
This reminds me of a card in MtG named "Consecrated Sphinx." It's got a static effect where, whenever an opponent draws a card, you may draw two cards. Literally every time your opponent draws, you can make double their resource generation for free, while also being in the colour that has the most spell interaction. It's very much like what's described here; you can use your opponent's plays to draw into responses and just overpower with advantage off a single card.
Anyone else appreciate how well he's able to explain these things?
Joke or not I found this rather enjoyable and would love to see more excessively in depth card discussions.
Oh and in regards to how I would balance Max c. I'd probably go with a trap trick style restriction where you can only activate say... 2 more card effects for the rest of the turn after resolving Max c
That was glorious! Like unironically an amazing video.
This is unironically just a good video.
Thank you making another great video and one of my favorite ones from you yet! I hope that this video wasn't too hard to make.
Making you have to reveal a different named insect would be a good way to balance it, the only problem with that is insects having a good archetype breaks that, but you'd also have to be playing a insect monster mash, so might work
maybe a different "C" monster
Actual Title: Explaining Maxx "C" and card advanatge.
Great and helpful video. Erratta suggestion: After your opp special summons a monster(s) discard Maxx C then apply its eff. So you don't immediately go +1 cuz you can't chain to the activation, you only activate after the summon happens (similar to Chaos Hunter). Your Dragoon combo would result in +1 for Maxx C player instead of +2. Or, if we apply this condition + a discard cost then it would only break even.
ngl I wouldn't be surprised if nibiru got hit at some point in the future but I also wouldn't be surprised if it never gets hit
it'll never be hit. the TCG meta _needs_ Nibiru otherwise combo decks are to powerful (and there will never be a modern TCG control deck that lasts more than 1 format)
@@j0anbug by hit I mean something like a semi limit for 1 format. and again I wouldn't be surprised if it never got hit, it's just one of those cards that nobody would be surprised is on the list for a format
@@j0anbug depending on what konami wants to sell, they can hit anything. Never say never lol
@@j0anbug Well uh this aged....
Crazy video. I feel like I can show this to someone who doesn’t play like me and they’d get more info about that game in general from this than any one video.
Creeps me out that my old casual deck looked like a bad version of the 2002 Champ deck lol, I never owned Raigeki, Jinzo or a few other cards but I agree that you can tell how ubiquitous OP cards were when my casual deck was most of a Champ deck lol
Loved what you said at the end about deck homogenization. Even if you don't love archetypal play, it's way more interesting than just summoning 1900 ATK monsters and sacrificing them for Jinzo and stuff like that
My personal change to MaxxC: "draw 1 card ,then place 1 card in you hand on the bottom of your deck." This way you still get to go through your deck and build your best go second hand, but you only have 5 cards to do so.
It would likely still be too strong
In a way it no longer have it's "only downside" in that you no longer can mill yourself.
It does become a -1 tho
My change would be something like “ draw 1 card each time your opponent special summons a monster, when you control cards equal to the number of cards you started with the turn this card was activated apply this cards second effect ( each time you draw a card by this cards effect banish 1 card from your hand face down. )
That way you can still get decked out, and if you activated this card when you had 3 in your hand it stays at 3 in your hand if it was when you had 5 in your hand it’ll stay at 5 in your hand since each time you draw a card after the number of cards you had before max C was summoned you’re forced to banish a card face down.
You dont go plus off of its effect only card neutral and you could also end up banishing cards face down that you really wouldn’t want to banish.
So let’s say you had a card you didn’t really need for your current hand because in order to even make it useful you’d need another certain card for it so you banished it face down but if you do end up drawing that other card you just lost a good combo starter and your hand might’ve actually been better if you hadn’t banished it and waited.
But if you were hoping to draw that second card so you decided not to banish the first one in hopes of starting that combo on the next turn you essentially have to banish other useful cards instead and if you don’t draw that second card that you need you might’ve had a better hand if you DID banish it instead.
You essentially have to carefully pick and choose what cards you don’t mind losing and since they aren’t being returned to your deck you can’t just use them later from the deck by a card activation that would draw it for you or special summon it for you.
You can also activate cards while you’re drawing them if you can in order to not have to banish it but that would require you to have multiple hand traps which even if you do the moment your opponent ends their turn you went from being hand neutral with a very good hand for turn 2 to counter your opponents powerful board to now having one less card than what you started with before max C which sure you negated an effect but it’s still playable around it especially when they’ve set up a good board already.
If they did this they’d easily make turn 2 players have better turns since they can now have much better hands to deal with whatever unbreakable board your opponent made turn 1 but they wouldn’t have 20 cards in their hand ready to just insta win against their opponent.
Even if the card is still used a lot I think it’d be as allowed as things like pot of extravagance are where sure tons play it and it’s useful but the cost makes it balanced enough to the point where it’s allowable and actually keeps spam metas in check and makes it a lot more fun to go up against turn 1 beefy boards since you’re gonna start off with a very good hand.
This might be my new favourite video of yours. So good
Top 10 Fusion/XYZ monsters that require specific materials.
YEP Dragoon
dragoon is waiting
Literally dragoon is all you need lol. Or if you wanna go the jank route even rainbow neos (but not really)
I'm not sure you needed to be THIS thorough, but okay video! Thanks for uploading!
When are you going back to THE DUEL ZONE really enjoy the series
I hope you know that the rest of the episodes past the first one are on Hardleg's channel, and they're good
This feels like an ouroboros of a topic that has no end.
Watching in 2022, and Maxx "C" is unlimeted in the Master Duel and a Konami doesn't see anything wrong.
this video was exhausting. i love it
To be fair. Having over 20 summons is not that fun because the opponent will always have a negate. I see this as punishing greedy plays with their own medicine
By far the best RUclips channel for Yu-Gi-Oh updates/Information. Like how more clear can you get than this.🤔 NEVER STOP!!
30 minutes for maxx C?
kinda short
And now Maxx “C” is legal in Master Duel.
As a competitive magic player, it kind of feels like Maxx C resembles Force of Will as you have to run it to have a chance against control. Ofc there's a lot of differences here since to me Yugioh is more combo oriented. So I can see how powerful this effect is
What if Maxx c only drew cards if your opponent summoned from the extra deck?
sounds like a good idea, only giving half of the draw power for the other player.
Personally, I'd make it so that you can only activate it if you have no cards on your field.
@@anarchistauthor5475 That would also be helpful
So glad it’s not banned in master duel. Way less degenerate combo decks because maxx c keeps them in check. Thank you OCG!
I'm thinking of a rule change of limiting how many cards can be in your hand. When you have the maximum amount, you have to banish one card from your hand first before adding that card or drawing a card.
When we gonna get a detailed tier list from banished cards from TCG? I'm interested in watching something like that in the future!
I would change Maxx C to where it special summons itself to the field similar to Retaliating C. You would still get draws as long as it remained on the field. So your opponent would be forced to give up their battle phase if they wanted to out the card. I think that would make it way healthier than the lingering effect it currently has.
Well Maxx C is at 3 at Master duel... this will be fun.
The effect of this video is to be entertaining & informative, which is a good effect.
You know you've achieved peak meta when someone ash blossom's your maxx "C".
I think if you changed the effect of MAX C by adding a downside that states “you cannot use any of the cards that you draw through this effect until the end of the turn this card is played”. It would make it so you weren’t banking on the hand traps you’re drawing, but it would still be very good to set you up for later turns.
I think it would be a mistake to “nerf” maxx c with a discard cost on every draw. Think of all the cards that activate upon being sent to the GY
Yeah, but think about a cost like "banish one card from your hand, face down"
But I think that its useless to try to balance a card like this one, im playing master duel and I think it would be broken as hell even with the -1
27:30 I think the discard wouldn't fix Maxx "C". Instead, I would say the user not being able to activate any other effects that turn would be a lot more fair. When Maxx "C" was legal, there weren't as many hand traps available. Like in Dragon Ruler format, the only other hand trap used was Effect Veiler, since Ghost Ogre wasn't released until 2015. Now there are a lot more cards like Dark Ruler No More.
Alternatively: Instead of giving Maxx "C" the ability to be reactive to everything, you errata it to require a condition like Appropriate.
Appropriate is a really good card. Anytime your opponent draws a card, you draw 2 cards. It's a really good trap card that would have seen a lot of play.
... the only issue is, the requirement to activating Appropriate is to have your opponent draw a card.
At first upon reading Appropriate, you think "Well they activate Pot of Greed, I flip Appropriate before or after they draw, and I'll just draw two cards myself."
But that's not how Appropriate works. You must first let your opponent draw cards to meet the condition to just activate Appropriate. Now that it's face-up, you now draw cards if your opponent continues to draw AFTER Appropriate is active. Consider Appropriate one of those cards that is more of a penalty or warning for your opponent. It's a check to say: "Hey, I see what you're doing. Try not to do it too much."
If you errata Maxx "C" to be similar, it could be only activated after your opponent Special Summons a monster. No discard cost necessary, although it wouldn't hurt to give it one as well if you feel the need to extra nerf it. At that point, it is a warning/penalty to your opponent. "Hey, I'm now negative 1 or 2 in card advantage, but if you continue with your plays, I may go plus for the rest of the turn."
aren't there decks that allow you to force them to draw and generate advantages?
I like that errata, it also makes it sort of similar to Droll & Lock Bird who stops cards from being drawn *after* the draw (not including draw phase of course)
Me, who only plays insects because I love them: please bring him back it's all we have
Before any of you ask, yes. Yes I do play Weevil in Duel Links