Yata Garasu is a really fascinating testament to how much the game has changed. While people tend to think of the Chaos Emperor Dragon combo, it’s worth noting how decks back then played a ton of cards that left them vulnerable to getting Yata locked out of nowhere. Every deck was playing stuff like Change of Heart, Snatch Steal, Raigeki, Harpies Feather Duster, Heavy Storm, and Dark Hole. If you managed to run your opponent out of monsters and they didn’t have one of the few traps people played that actually did something about Yata (so they were “bricked” on these incredibly powerful limited spell cards), that was it, they lost the game right there. Yata’s status as a spirit monster made it immune to removal in the form of spell cards, which was incredibly useful back then. Modern decks rarely play stuff like that; there are the occasional bricks, but the most common equivalent is hand traps, plus the occasional Lightning Storm or Evenly Matched. But something like Ash Blossom can still be set in defense to block a Yata attack. So above all of the other changes (like actual effect negation in the game, more powerful and impactful cards, graveyard effects to allow for recovery even from zero cards, etc.), deck construction also makes Yata pokes vastly less likely to be impactful than they used to be.
Yata and a lot of unbanned cards are a testament towards how nonsensical the overall game's balance is. Even with Yata's original effect, there are so many cards that activate in the GY that you could easily wipe it the next turn.
I seem to remember even when this was unbanned nobody thought it would be any good. There were people meming it and that was it. Thanks for the content Doug.
Niche tangent but CED's errata also changed it's burn to only deal damage per opponent's card sent to grave rather than for every card, probably because of ftk's where you draw your whole deck then dump it for the burn. The restriction's the big and crippling change so that seems to draw everyone's attention and the burn effect's change tends to not be mentioned.
I think the biggest change to modern yugioh that makes yata weak, is the extra deck being +15 cards in your hand that cant be discarded, and the graveyard being +however many cards have gone there, since every card that sees play has 1 or more graveyard effects now. Modern yugioh is the result of konami trying to prevent anyone from ever running out of stuff. So you can almost attribute the current state of the game to yata and CED.
It's a huge reason why the game is so messed up right now. The resource management part of it is completely gone. The GY is a secondary hand now, and the banished zone is treated as the new GY. Every card either has a GY summon/search effect or an effect that either searches or special summons another monster when they are normal/special summoned. All you have to do is play a single monster, no matter which one it is in your archetype, to be able to combo with 10+ different cards from your deck. Yata would be next to useless in the current meta.
If you want to yata lock in spirits, you should also play hino-kagu-tsuchi. When it inflicts battle damage, during the opponents draw phase, you send all cards in their hand to the gy, then they draw. If you establish him + amano iwato, it's not too much of a stretch to yatalock
It's funny seeing this video after being Yata-locked yesterday in Master Duel (the opponent was using Floo and for once I didn't mind losing to that deck)
I'm surprised there was not mention of the new Shinobird support, especially the new level 4 Shinobaron that searches any Spirit on summon. Definitely a way more effective way to grab Yata than sticking it on the field, though that does depend on the resources you currently have access to
Now that I think about it, Chaos Emperor Dragon was overly nerfed by its errata. Not being able to activate other effects for the REST of the turn would've been enough. Being the only effect you can activate on a turn makes it unplayable.
Truth be told, this type of “What Happened To ____?” or even “Why is/was _____ banned?” Could be really neat. There are a ton of cards on the banlist and I have legit no idea why 😅
Konami is going to accidentally print Shinobird support with the effect that "For the remainder of the current turn only the player controlling a Yata-Garasu face up on the field can Normal Summon, Special Summon or activate card effects."
it was extremely obvious that it would not be good. yata outside of certian situations like pre errat chao emp is a win more card, that might not even win more.
It was a legit strategy back in the day when combined with sangan and witch of the black forest. If you got it off back then it was a guaranteed win. Nowadays there's too many graveyard effects to really make it work.
To me it is not immediately obviois because YGO has a staggering amount of very obscure support for very niches tyoes of cards. Snake Rain is infamous as a card that could become degenerate at any moment if the right partner comes out, but we have seen many cards like that over the years. How many players do know all the "oscure niche support" cards, including those that haven't been played competitively yet? To me most of the risk invokved with cards like Yata is that they may unlock degenerate synergies with cards most people forgot about or never even knew. This time it wasn't the case tho.
It was used in some hand control decks but it wasn't really the most problematic card in that deck either. It's certainly was the least problematic card in the CED combo too.
Slap *tuner, dragon/wyrm type, which can only be special summoned from the grave by sending monster from deck and gain level of sent monster* Oh, and make it Branded support
It's hard to pull off what when I do in Mater duel, it's so much fun watching your opponent's lp slowly drain. I'm surprised they don't just surrender.
Ive been playing 3 Yata in Stun on Master Duel. Wittle down their resources and lock them out of special summoning, then drop Yata with protection and close out the game
what if they printed the card "Flute of Summoning Yata Garasu" which allowed you to Special Summon Yata Garasu ignoring that Yata Garasu cannot be Special Summoned if you control Lord of D.
You can already do this with either Shinobaron though. But special summoned spirits (except the rituals) stay on the field in the EP too so its a huge target.
They could just print normal summon Yata from your deck. If Ojamatch can let you normal summon with a spell effect there's I reason they need to add the "special summon ignoring it's summoning condition nonsense" Also doesn't lose to ash :)
So, before MD came out I used to try out various things on LotD, because I realised that you can completely ignore the ban list if you were playing against the AI. This allowed me to test out various forbidden cards, and it was a pretty interesting experience. The first thing that I learned was that Painful Choice *cannot come back to the game* without an errata. Pot of Greed and Graceful Charity have a higher chance of coming back without an errata than this one, it would *ruin* the game. The second thing I learned was that Yata was... not scary at all. I tried to build a deck around locking people down with it, but it just... didn't work. If you're curious about how good or bad long banned cards are, go check it out in Legacy against an AI. Try to build a deck that makes use of it, see what happens. You might be surprised. While it's not anything like current, it does let you get a small peek at how the game has changed since it was put on the list.
I can't think of an errata for Painful Choice that would make it be able to come back. Even if it said something like the effects of the cards added or in the graveyard can't be used this turn, it would still be an amazing setup for the following turn.
@@Ragnarok540 Yeah, that's kind of the problem, you'd have to basically do the same thing that happened to CED - make it so useless that it doesn't even get played. Or change the effect so much you might as well have printed a new card. Seriously, if I were to put the time into ranking the forbidden cards based on how badly they'd break the game if they came back in unaltered, Painful Choice is very probably topping that list. If not, it's top five. Hrm. That could make an interesting video series, actually...
I think the only way Painful Choice could come back is if it had a crazy restriction version of erata similar to CED, where you can't use monster effects the same turn you use it and effects in your graveyard cannot be activated until your opponents next end phase. That would probably make it able to come back.
Alright, but hear me out here. Droll+ Trickstar Reincarnation or Disturbance strategy and linking off a sangan/witch to search Yata before resolving the combo?
The current state of Yugioh is a disaster because the game is ridiculously fast. I don't think the solution is to bring back a card that turned every game into a topdeck war.
Ok, maybe it’s time for a Yata-Garasu retrain: _Yata-Asuara - The Spirits of Guidance and War_ (LIGHT) Level 6 Fiend/Spirit/Tuner/Effect _This card is always also treated as WIND-attribute and a Fairy monster. Cannot be special summoned. During the End Phase of the turn this card was Normal Summoned or flipped face-up: Return it to the hand. Can attack all monsters your opponent controls once each. If this card attacks a Defense Position monster, inflict piercing battle damage. If this card inflicts battle damage to your opponent, you can discard 1 card from either players hand._ ATK/2300 DEF/1200 The idea here is to meld Yata with Asura Priest, combining their ATK/DEF, levels, types and attributes. Asura Priest’s multi-attack remains unchanged, but it gets an additional effect where it can inflict piercing battle damage to make that multi-attack scarier. And Yatagarasu’s effect is in there, although be it changed to allow you to discard a card from either players hands upon this card inflicting battle damage. So the idea is that the card can forcibly discard your opponent’s entire hand in 1 good battle phase, and/or any cards you want gone from YOUR hand.
@@TheGuyWhoIsSitting One of the Earthbound Immortals is a Level 10 Winged Beast that hand rips by returning stuff on your field to the deck. And almost EVERYONE plays Triple Tactics Talents. And running the Water Birds lets you run Spiritual Water Art - Aoi, another hand ripping option. So you CAN play Flooandereeze with handripping cards, but as for whether you should, the answer is no since running all that stuff is going to brick you eventually.
An 8 minute video from a RUclipsr I don't know about a card I don't know of a game I don't play? My only regret is that this video isn't 40 minutes longer
People will say they don't want to get yata locked, but i argue I'd rather get yata locked over puppet locked, or even get jumpscared by an Accesscode otk out of nowhere on a simplified game state. Yata is cool at least.
Not really a problem unless you have no cards in either hand or field and getting attacked repeatedly by Yata. But yeah, CED was definitely a problem that had to be taken out
@@nickgiz377 prog cant be compared to regular actual yugioh prog is lower powered with a smaller cardpool and likely an entirely different banlist i had to use bombardment beetle and other HORSESHIT cards just bc they were unexpected to cheese wins
imagine ced yata combo now, why wouldn't you instead send tearlament merly instead and full combo of the ced activation instead of hoping the opponent doesn't draw something relevant
You know what screw this card, I don't care if it is power crept. Card game balance shouldn't be decided on drawing the out. But on the flip side, that option should not be removed. If you can't finish your opponent and he has another turn, he should always get the option of drawing the out. Blocking another player's draw is something that I think should not be in a card game, even if it is to the point that it's not practical anymore. Watching someone stall out a bunch of turns while he draws Exodia can be boring to a lot of people but it can also be impress you if someone pulls it off. Being stuck just passing turns while being unable to draw the out is just stupid.
If I were in control of the F/L list, I would leave Yata on it permanently. Partially because of history, partially because you're right, it's almost useless in the current game. The problem is that when the stars align for it to actually work, it's the least fun game of Yu-Gi-Oh imaginable. OTKs are one thing, but a 40TK (technically 80 turns, but the victim doesn't really get to have one)? No thanks. It's an effect that's hilariously bad so I'm not having fun from using it OR it's an instant win but neither of us are having fun from me using it.
@@jeremycarromero5302 D'oh, you're right. But it is still the reason Time Seal limited. Even with Time Seal at 3 I doubt you could lock someone with it, but why risk it?
I still hate this bird and refuse to play goat because of this. I left boomer ygo for magic and even if i suck at modern ygo i still prefer havine a hope to get a turn
Well, I've had about a year of being mislead. I was told that was was up to the first ban list, as in everything before it. Still don't like yata, even if it made me into the mtg player who has returned to dabble in ygo today
@@SoloWing88 everything up until 2005 is legal in goat format except for the cards that are banned. So cards like yata and chaos emperor dragon are banned but cards like pot of greed and graceful charity are limited. Just look up goat format ban list there is a site dedicated to goat format. I play modern Yu-Gi-Oh but I started playing goat recently since I got into the game in 2002 and I wanted to play some of my old cards. If u ever get into it don't let people convince u that goat is just chaos decks and that's it because that's not true because goat is still diverse after all of these years
Modern Yu-Gi-Oh decks are more obnoxious than Yata-locking ever was. I don't see the problem if it became popular, you're already winning or losing in a turn or two, doesn't matter what causes that win/loss.
Yata even without ced was absolutely good in the time period. Running people down with control tools then stopping a top deck was absolutely game winning
Yata Garasu has died due to a botched heart surgery. In lieu of flowers, the family requests instead for donations to your local bird sanctuary.
*Fiend sanctuary
The Church gave Yata Garasu a choir, because it sang like a bird and looked like a bird, and Yata Garasu was a bird.
Yata Garasu is a really fascinating testament to how much the game has changed. While people tend to think of the Chaos Emperor Dragon combo, it’s worth noting how decks back then played a ton of cards that left them vulnerable to getting Yata locked out of nowhere. Every deck was playing stuff like Change of Heart, Snatch Steal, Raigeki, Harpies Feather Duster, Heavy Storm, and Dark Hole. If you managed to run your opponent out of monsters and they didn’t have one of the few traps people played that actually did something about Yata (so they were “bricked” on these incredibly powerful limited spell cards), that was it, they lost the game right there. Yata’s status as a spirit monster made it immune to removal in the form of spell cards, which was incredibly useful back then. Modern decks rarely play stuff like that; there are the occasional bricks, but the most common equivalent is hand traps, plus the occasional Lightning Storm or Evenly Matched. But something like Ash Blossom can still be set in defense to block a Yata attack.
So above all of the other changes (like actual effect negation in the game, more powerful and impactful cards, graveyard effects to allow for recovery even from zero cards, etc.), deck construction also makes Yata pokes vastly less likely to be impactful than they used to be.
Yata and a lot of unbanned cards are a testament towards how nonsensical the overall game's balance is. Even with Yata's original effect, there are so many cards that activate in the GY that you could easily wipe it the next turn.
Did Christmas come early or Dzeeff is treating us with quality content once again. I miss this style of content! Thank you for making it!
Honestly don’t mind the series style videos he’s done, but these hold a special place
I seem to remember even when this was unbanned nobody thought it would be any good. There were people meming it and that was it. Thanks for the content Doug.
Niche tangent but CED's errata also changed it's burn to only deal damage per opponent's card sent to grave rather than for every card, probably because of ftk's where you draw your whole deck then dump it for the burn. The restriction's the big and crippling change so that seems to draw everyone's attention and the burn effect's change tends to not be mentioned.
Your discussion videos like this back in the day is what got me into yugioh
I think the biggest change to modern yugioh that makes yata weak, is the extra deck being +15 cards in your hand that cant be discarded, and the graveyard being +however many cards have gone there, since every card that sees play has 1 or more graveyard effects now.
Modern yugioh is the result of konami trying to prevent anyone from ever running out of stuff. So you can almost attribute the current state of the game to yata and CED.
It's a huge reason why the game is so messed up right now. The resource management part of it is completely gone. The GY is a secondary hand now, and the banished zone is treated as the new GY. Every card either has a GY summon/search effect or an effect that either searches or special summons another monster when they are normal/special summoned. All you have to do is play a single monster, no matter which one it is in your archetype, to be able to combo with 10+ different cards from your deck. Yata would be next to useless in the current meta.
If you want to yata lock in spirits, you should also play hino-kagu-tsuchi. When it inflicts battle damage, during the opponents draw phase, you send all cards in their hand to the gy, then they draw. If you establish him + amano iwato, it's not too much of a stretch to yatalock
modern Yata-lock: banish all your opponents hand, field and graveyard face down, then use Yata-Garasu to attack your opponent
It's funny seeing this video after being Yata-locked yesterday in Master Duel (the opponent was using Floo and for once I didn't mind losing to that deck)
in what rank were you? If that happened to me I would save the replay, sounds amazing.
Platinum 3. I should see if I still have it
hey dzeeff i really missed these historical/analyzis videos , thanks for the content!
Perhaps it would still be fearful if Sangan, witch, and chaos emperor dragon didn’t all get an erratum/several errata.
Nah, at that point you’d play cards with Graveyard effects that’d end the game faster
you still need to banish your opponents stuff facedown so that there is no chance of a comeback
I'm surprised there was not mention of the new Shinobird support, especially the new level 4 Shinobaron that searches any Spirit on summon. Definitely a way more effective way to grab Yata than sticking it on the field, though that does depend on the resources you currently have access to
Now that I think about it, Chaos Emperor Dragon was overly nerfed by its errata. Not being able to activate other effects for the REST of the turn would've been enough. Being the only effect you can activate on a turn makes it unplayable.
I never thought I would see the day where Yata-Garasu would finally become obsolete. This is late stage Yu-Gi-Oh
I dont play competively but in a Winged Dragon of Ra deck Yata Garasu could cause some craziness with the extra normal summon in casual matches
Idk... Seems like if you got Ra on board instead... You're gonna otk.
Truth be told, this type of “What Happened To ____?” or even “Why is/was _____ banned?” Could be really neat. There are a ton of cards on the banlist and I have legit no idea why 😅
The duel logs has videos for why most cards are on the banlist if u wanna check him out
The thing I always bring up with Yata-Garasu that sort of bugs me is the fact it doesn’t have three legs showing in its artwork
A discussion video? It's been over 60 years.
Discussion videos Dzeeff is the best
Konami is going to accidentally print Shinobird support with the effect that "For the remainder of the current turn only the player controlling a Yata-Garasu face up on the field can Normal Summon, Special Summon or activate card effects."
I love your stuff Doug
it was extremely obvious that it would not be good. yata outside of certian situations like pre errat chao emp is a win more card, that might not even win more.
It was a legit strategy back in the day when combined with sangan and witch of the black forest. If you got it off back then it was a guaranteed win. Nowadays there's too many graveyard effects to really make it work.
To me it is not immediately obviois because YGO has a staggering amount of very obscure support for very niches tyoes of cards. Snake Rain is infamous as a card that could become degenerate at any moment if the right partner comes out, but we have seen many cards like that over the years.
How many players do know all the "oscure niche support" cards, including those that haven't been played competitively yet? To me most of the risk invokved with cards like Yata is that they may unlock degenerate synergies with cards most people forgot about or never even knew. This time it wasn't the case tho.
Hot take: Yata was never good enough to be ban worthy. It was a jank card that saw zero play before CED, and it would have seen zero play after CED.
Not accurate considering yata was being played in hand control before the chaos cards even came out a year later
Literally untrue. People played Yata as soon as it came out, well before CED
It was used in some hand control decks but it wasn't really the most problematic card in that deck either. It's certainly was the least problematic card in the CED combo too.
Honestly, I miss this kinda of content. The perfect complement to the chaotic SAGA/ROULETTE!
the good old days that players now days dont know anything about haha Also it’s crazy they have to change older cards cause they would be OP even now!
Mar 2004. Best month of my life.. Won 2 tournaments pulling Chaos Emp on my 2nd pack a week before xD
Zeef come back! You were one of my favorites, and youve kind of disappeared since md came out
Slap *tuner, dragon/wyrm type, which can only be special summoned from the grave by sending monster from deck and gain level of sent monster*
Oh, and make it Branded support
I used Yata back in the day along with Chaos Dragon. Was a great combo before they banned in.
It's hard to pull off what when I do in Mater duel, it's so much fun watching your opponent's lp slowly drain. I'm surprised they don't just surrender.
Ive been playing 3 Yata in Stun on Master Duel. Wittle down their resources and lock them out of special summoning, then drop Yata with protection and close out the game
Yata-Lock?! This card changes EVERYTHING
The only way i see the Yata lock working today is playing Gravekeepers/Necrovalley and even that would take a lotta set up to work.
Yata-Garasu is pretty good in anti-meta decks this format since "Time-Tearing Morganite" came out.
shino birds, bounce a combo and send the support to deck, it’s effectively a nothing hand if you know all the cards in it
Wooo more Doug discussion!
what if they printed the card "Flute of Summoning Yata Garasu" which allowed you to Special Summon Yata Garasu ignoring that Yata Garasu cannot be Special Summoned if you control Lord of D.
What the
You can already do this with either Shinobaron though. But special summoned spirits (except the rituals) stay on the field in the EP too so its a huge target.
Graveyard effects (which 95% of meta decks have had since like 2015) make the card almost useless.
They could just print normal summon Yata from your deck.
If Ojamatch can let you normal summon with a spell effect there's I reason they need to add the "special summon ignoring it's summoning condition nonsense"
Also doesn't lose to ash :)
@@IC-23 so true!
Could we get a video of if you think original effect (pre errata) Chaos dragon would see competitive play
Yata returns like "Where am I? What happened to this place?"
Yata in modern yugioh seems like a brick even in shinobirds
Ooo...never seen the blue Yata Garasu...nice
The only time when Yata-Garasu was still deadly were YGO games until Master Duels.
I'm glad it's not widely used. any card that locks the opponent from playing the game shouldn't exist.
So, before MD came out I used to try out various things on LotD, because I realised that you can completely ignore the ban list if you were playing against the AI. This allowed me to test out various forbidden cards, and it was a pretty interesting experience.
The first thing that I learned was that Painful Choice *cannot come back to the game* without an errata. Pot of Greed and Graceful Charity have a higher chance of coming back without an errata than this one, it would *ruin* the game.
The second thing I learned was that Yata was... not scary at all. I tried to build a deck around locking people down with it, but it just... didn't work.
If you're curious about how good or bad long banned cards are, go check it out in Legacy against an AI. Try to build a deck that makes use of it, see what happens. You might be surprised. While it's not anything like current, it does let you get a small peek at how the game has changed since it was put on the list.
I can't think of an errata for Painful Choice that would make it be able to come back. Even if it said something like the effects of the cards added or in the graveyard can't be used this turn, it would still be an amazing setup for the following turn.
@@Ragnarok540 Yeah, that's kind of the problem, you'd have to basically do the same thing that happened to CED - make it so useless that it doesn't even get played. Or change the effect so much you might as well have printed a new card.
Seriously, if I were to put the time into ranking the forbidden cards based on how badly they'd break the game if they came back in unaltered, Painful Choice is very probably topping that list. If not, it's top five.
Hrm. That could make an interesting video series, actually...
I think the only way Painful Choice could come back is if it had a crazy restriction version of erata similar to CED, where you can't use monster effects the same turn you use it and effects in your graveyard cannot be activated until your opponents next end phase. That would probably make it able to come back.
@@williamfallswhat if instead of sending to the gy, the other 4 cards were banished face down? Too much?
It's winter so Yata probably migrated south for a bit 😊
Still kickin this og in 2023, using some modern cards to help a little
I think konami should apply the same errata on maxx c as they did on chaos emperor dragon
Really missed discussion videos
I won so many cards in high school due to the yata lock, RIP 2004 yata lock.
Yata garasu is still used in my occult deck
Alright, but hear me out here. Droll+ Trickstar Reincarnation or Disturbance strategy and linking off a sangan/witch to search Yata before resolving the combo?
So basically locking out your opponent doesn’t matter when so many decks can just OTK and not risk the opponent having the out in hand.
Here's a question for comment section, what would a yata garasu archetype would look like?
Love my Yater
Power crept into oblivion.
Can we un-errata Chaos Emperor Dragon?
Why? The original effect would still be really good today. It would just enable more OTKs.
The current state of Yugioh is a disaster because the game is ridiculously fast. I don't think the solution is to bring back a card that turned every game into a topdeck war.
@@xxFortunadoxx Top deck wars are my favorite lol.
@TheGuyWhoIsSitting Can we like, errata him again to be a little closer to his original effect at least? Lol. Just a little.
i thought they let dark hole and raigekai back in. if you have either of those and yata you just win
The birb will rise again.
I use yata in my numeron deck but its just a win more card
Yata is the Michael Jordan of yugioh
Ok, maybe it’s time for a Yata-Garasu retrain:
_Yata-Asuara - The Spirits of Guidance and War_ (LIGHT)
Level 6
Fiend/Spirit/Tuner/Effect
_This card is always also treated as WIND-attribute and a Fairy monster. Cannot be special summoned. During the End Phase of the turn this card was Normal Summoned or flipped face-up: Return it to the hand. Can attack all monsters your opponent controls once each. If this card attacks a Defense Position monster, inflict piercing battle damage. If this card inflicts battle damage to your opponent, you can discard 1 card from either players hand._
ATK/2300 DEF/1200
The idea here is to meld Yata with Asura Priest, combining their ATK/DEF, levels, types and attributes. Asura Priest’s multi-attack remains unchanged, but it gets an additional effect where it can inflict piercing battle damage to make that multi-attack scarier. And Yatagarasu’s effect is in there, although be it changed to allow you to discard a card from either players hands upon this card inflicting battle damage. So the idea is that the card can forcibly discard your opponent’s entire hand in 1 good battle phase, and/or any cards you want gone from YOUR hand.
If only it was a Winged Beast then it would be meta
No it would not. Floo would not play this
@@Xenonfujithe only way I could see Floo playing it is if Floo had hand ripping cards.
@@TheGuyWhoIsSitting
One of the Earthbound Immortals is a Level 10 Winged Beast that hand rips by returning stuff on your field to the deck. And almost EVERYONE plays Triple Tactics Talents. And running the Water Birds lets you run Spiritual Water Art - Aoi, another hand ripping option. So you CAN play Flooandereeze with handripping cards, but as for whether you should, the answer is no since running all that stuff is going to brick you eventually.
An 8 minute video from a RUclipsr I don't know about a card I don't know of a game I don't play? My only regret is that this video isn't 40 minutes longer
That's how they get you! Run away before you install Master Duel and join us in suffering
Yata was good even before CED. Meta warping back in the day
Yata has another use. Nobody wants the risk of a lock. Do with that what you will
"The answer was unfortunately not well"
idk, seems pretty fortunate to me that a former auto win strategy is no longer viable.
He made blackwing
Funny bird
yata lock is just an otk with extra steps. no one is going to yata lock when they can otk.
Why is there a purple and blue yata? Which one is the real one
All the images in the video are real scans of cards, but for some reason the Maze of Memories foiling makes Yata look blue
People will say they don't want to get yata locked, but i argue I'd rather get yata locked over puppet locked, or even get jumpscared by an Accesscode otk out of nowhere on a simplified game state. Yata is cool at least.
hot take but i dont think yata ever really needed to be banned
CED was literally always the problem
It would have just been a win more card but still.
Not really a problem unless you have no cards in either hand or field and getting attacked repeatedly by Yata.
But yeah, CED was definitely a problem that had to be taken out
I disagree hard I played many prog series before even without ced the card is crazy for years
@@nickgiz377 prog cant be compared to regular actual yugioh
prog is lower powered with a smaller cardpool and likely an entirely different banlist
i had to use bombardment beetle and other HORSESHIT cards just bc they were unexpected to cheese wins
@@gotdamn4989 it was also good in a lot of formats before 2004 format
Day 4 of asking Konami to print D/D Brownie
I do not think it was unfortunate that yata garasu didn’t see success lol
Chaos Emperor Dragon did not deserve an errata
he absolutely did, otherwise he would remain banned
Hand ripping effect are always gonna be degenerate and CED was a full hand wipe
imagine ced yata combo now, why wouldn't you instead send tearlament merly instead and full combo of the ced activation instead of hoping the opponent doesn't draw something relevant
I was framed
You know what screw this card, I don't care if it is power crept. Card game balance shouldn't be decided on drawing the out. But on the flip side, that option should not be removed. If you can't finish your opponent and he has another turn, he should always get the option of drawing the out. Blocking another player's draw is something that I think should not be in a card game, even if it is to the point that it's not practical anymore. Watching someone stall out a bunch of turns while he draws Exodia can be boring to a lot of people but it can also be impress you if someone pulls it off. Being stuck just passing turns while being unable to draw the out is just stupid.
purple bird
Not the Yatas
If I were in control of the F/L list, I would leave Yata on it permanently. Partially because of history, partially because you're right, it's almost useless in the current game.
The problem is that when the stars align for it to actually work, it's the least fun game of Yu-Gi-Oh imaginable. OTKs are one thing, but a 40TK (technically 80 turns, but the victim doesn't really get to have one)? No thanks. It's an effect that's hilariously bad so I'm not having fun from using it OR it's an instant win but neither of us are having fun from me using it.
This is pretty much why Time Seal is still banned.
@@petrie911Time Seal isn't banned, tho?
@@jeremycarromero5302 D'oh, you're right. But it is still the reason Time Seal limited. Even with Time Seal at 3 I doubt you could lock someone with it, but why risk it?
Thats not a good reason for it be banned. If the card isnt good or no one will play it, then it should come off the banlist
Just came here to say "F" Yata.
Ah, Yata-Garasu: the OG Garnet
too many one hand combos already in hand
I still hate this bird and refuse to play goat because of this. I left boomer ygo for magic and even if i suck at modern ygo i still prefer havine a hope to get a turn
Yata isn't in goat
It's Not?
@@SoloWing88 nope because goat format is after the first ban list
Well, I've had about a year of being mislead.
I was told that was was up to the first ban list, as in everything before it.
Still don't like yata, even if it made me into the mtg player who has returned to dabble in ygo today
@@SoloWing88 everything up until 2005 is legal in goat format except for the cards that are banned. So cards like yata and chaos emperor dragon are banned but cards like pot of greed and graceful charity are limited. Just look up goat format ban list there is a site dedicated to goat format. I play modern Yu-Gi-Oh but I started playing goat recently since I got into the game in 2002 and I wanted to play some of my old cards. If u ever get into it don't let people convince u that goat is just chaos decks and that's it because that's not true because goat is still diverse after all of these years
Was Yata always a fiend? I swear i remember it being winged-beast... anyone else experiencing this mandela effect?
Modern Yu-Gi-Oh decks are more obnoxious than Yata-locking ever was. I don't see the problem if it became popular, you're already winning or losing in a turn or two, doesn't matter what causes that win/loss.
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Sorry to slow buddy
You can still use yata garasu if you run shinobirds
Please finish the video
@@Xenonfuji I did already just proving a point of my own
Yata was never that good. The problem card was CED.
Yata even without ced was absolutely good in the time period.
Running people down with control tools then stopping a top deck was absolutely game winning